veteran-class

[sonic kayak]

I used to play tons of Battlefield so I'm used to spotting spam

[sleek garden]

such as the underhab support where you have to get to the mini ascension riser in the torrent

[formal hamlet]

Man what is this weather. It's too hot. The whole point of London is that it's meant to be cloudy and light rain all the time, I'm baking in my house.

[sleek garden]

it always spawns a bunch of shooters at the beginning

[sharp epoch]

They're good I'd take them more if survivalist didnt cost like 2 extra points to get just cause I want smokes

[sonic kayak]

Humidity, mankind's worst and greatest enemy

[sharp epoch]

Just get AC 😎

[formal hamlet]

AC is kinda alien in the UK because it's just rarely needed.

[undone jungle]

Neither do I but my point earlier was that 3/4 (extremely generous likely over 90%) of Vet main don't know how to correctly use them let alone other class mains. You put down a smoke and your team won't stand in the AOE because it's counter intuitive and without knowing there's a passive in play- actively detrimental to their sight

I use it in premades but you gotta coach your team before every Havoc on what they do

It's kinda silly...

[sudden cedar]

It kind of looks like gas.

People don't want to be inside gas.

[sharp epoch]

smoke on ventilation purge is funny too now you basically cant see outside it at all

[sudden cedar]

Ventilation Purge is worse than Lights Out

[sharp epoch]

I like it as vet because snipers are just easier to kill rather than dogs

[sonic kayak]

No no I get your point; Vet mains are some of the dumbest players on the planet; At least Ogryn can still help and do nothing; I will maybe meet 1 Vet every few weeks that impresses me enough to remember they are on the team and not an ammo hog

[formal hamlet]

Do a lot of people still use the mod where they can slap sights on their guns?

[undone jungle]

People still try kicking me if I ever run a smoke build on Auric it's seen as bad manners and trolling by most of the playerbase to use that blitz. Horrible reputation unfortunately.

[sonic kayak]

Anything to excuse willful ignorance smfh

[sudden cedar]

I really don't like smoke, but respect its usefulness

[sonic kayak]

But you understand what it does and therefore are already a better player

[undone jungle]

Yeah it's Weapon Customization but I mainly use it to make my Rashad look like a big hammer or a big sword so I don't have to look at that ugly stamped sheet axe all day

[sudden cedar]

That is correct

[void dragon]

BS, have run smokes a lot of times in auric games and they seriously are powerful to neutralize some enemies, being able to stab enemy gunners because they rush to your reach is quite funny

[formal hamlet]

I'm tempted to try it just to have a cleaner sight picture for my Helbore.

[sudden cedar]

May i suggest trying out the Achlys Combat Axe?

[void dragon]

Just like the Imperium

[undone jungle]

Hello I'm a Veteran main in #veteran-class and this is my reading comprehension

Literally scroll up 1 message

[sudden cedar]

Soldiers are taught to run and shoot, not to read through essays

[sonic kayak]

He might be agreeing with your statement that smokes get a bad reputation when they are useful

[hollow ibex]

nah newgryns are the worst bunch

[void dragon]

I have read, I'm agreeing with you and providing case that I have even saved teams of morons with smokes

[hollow ibex]

at least half of them are running rumblergryn

[formal hamlet]

Ogryn voicelines / chatter is great.

[undone jungle]

Oh fair enough. I thought you were assuming I was calling them terrible with the BS

[sonic kayak]

But "don't use smokes because they're bad" "do you know what smokes do?" "No but they're bad" is

[void dragon]

THANK YOU!

[sudden cedar]

@hollow ibex I agree. It happens quite a lot that an Ogryn with a Kickback just blows up a Pox Burster. And i don't run up to them to push them.

[hollow ibex]

i don't mind kickback

[undone jungle]

When I failed the reading comprehension assignment in the Veteran off

[hollow ibex]

it's just rumblers

[sudden cedar]

Rumblers too, unfortunately

[void dragon]

I now feel like in Vet chat, I'm already feel bullied by my peer rejects

[sonic kayak]

We are all in the smoke, together

Giving the heretics lung cancer

[sharp epoch]

Kickback is busted on anything below havoc tbh

[sonic kayak]

Not us because we're loyalists

[undone jungle]

I used to main Ogryn before the rework and the "Newgryn problem" existed back then too. It even existed back in Vermintide 2 with the Ironbreaker class.

[void dragon]

The smoke on the nades is tobacco

[sonic kayak]

That itchiness in your chest is not related

[undone jungle]

The problem is that when a class doesn't punish certain behaviors enough it doesn't encourage learning of core gameplay mechanics.

[sudden cedar]

@sonic kayak That comes from all the incense when attending sermons.

[undone jungle]

Why dodge when you don't have to? Why learn to dodge when you don't have to? This extends to other mechanics too

[sudden cedar]

Smite.

[sonic kayak]

Played with a newgryn just absolutely dumping ammo into trash hordes. Couldn't dodge or shove dogs/Mutants, went down many times, but you could rely on him to waste ammo because he had to keep rumbling

[sudden cedar]

Just keep on rumbling.

[sharp epoch]

It's disappointing when ogryn mains try any other class and get destroyed, like it's really such a very overtuned class atm that it can put people on difficulties over their skill level

[undone jungle]

Newgryn problem existed before the rework. Now that the class is forgiving enough for these newgryns to break out of Malice and play Havoc you just see them more often unfortunately.

[sonic kayak]

Ironically enough Smite is very good when you do do those things

[hollow ibex]

classic

[sharp epoch]

I've had a smite psyker actually put up good damage numbers but

[hollow ibex]

It's **satisfying **when ogryn mains try any other class and get destroyed, like it's really such a very overtuned class atm that it can put people on difficulties over their skill level

[sharp epoch]

he was using scriers gaze not bubble

[sudden cedar]

I have nothing against Smite. Just a lot of players using smite that are just plain bad give it a bad reputation

Seen so many Smykers fold when they get caught by a breeze

[sonic kayak]

We're absolutely in the same boat on that one

[sharp epoch]

not when I'm in a premade with them I'm just like sigh

[undone jungle]

True. Smite Psyker is the newgryn clutch of its class

[sudden cedar]

But i do have something against Smite on Scab only.

[hollow ibex]

honestly this is like shitter vets, except worse in every way

iag spammed into hordes is still more ammo efficient than rumbler spammed into hordes

[sudden cedar]

Because i want Melee only madness, not punching dummies

[undone jungle]

Reconlas Vets who haven't learned melee are probably the closest comparison here

[sharp epoch]

shitter vets cant survive havoc at all but newgryns can

[sudden cedar]

Every class has something like that tho

[hollow ibex]

psyker in general* on scab only

get your warp fuckery out of here

[sudden cedar]

Maybe yeah.

[hollow ibex]

i'm here for man-on-man action, not for your pansy ass voidblast

[sonic kayak]

A Pimp Named Slickback says hello

[sudden cedar]

Veterans that utilize a Shock Trooper Recon Build and just hold down the trigger...

Recon Las go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[undone jungle]

Zealot doesn't have the newgryn/crutch problem because there's only one build already

[stiff cipher]

Shhhhhh

Suppressive fire

[sharp epoch]

zealot really just has book zealot which is simple to use and very safe, its just really boring

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bdAAo.gif

[sonic kayak]

DoW

[sudden cedar]

Winter Assault

[feral jetty]

hello how we all doin

[grand perch]

general sturnn

[sudden cedar]

Farseer Macha

[grand perch]

he literally called Stern how could you beat that

[undone jungle]

Tbh the really bad Zealots I've noticed all run the same build of a really poorly statted blue upgrade level Eviscerator, chastise the wicked and a double barrel shotgun that they run out of ammo on about 5 minutes in into the mission

[sudden cedar]

Oh wait wrong.. game. Maybe.

[sonic kayak]

I stand ready to serve.

[grand perch]

he was the best general of any IG video game you cant change my mind

[sonic kayak]

It will be, on my honor.

[undone jungle]

One time we invited two high level Zealots to a Havoc and they both ran this exact same build I was really confused

Is a blue level Eviscerator with 5% crit damage the meta

[sonic kayak]

My fear is naught; My faith is strong.

[sharp epoch]

That's bad auric zealots, bad havoc zealots run DS bolter and book and run out of ammo in 5 mins

[sudden cedar]

Capturing it was easy, holding it will be difficult.

[sonic kayak]

Lukas Alexander gets a mention for one reason: the speech

[undone jungle]

Unfortunately some of them try Havoc too

Zealot Havoc is so fun I love holding down F

[sudden cedar]

Auric Mindset, really

[grand perch]

he had the worst death though

death by cutscene tau

[sudden cedar]

Damn the T'au.

I like their Miniature Design tho.

Except those ugly helmets.

[hollow ibex]

chorus boy 😭

[undone jungle]

The worst thing about that type of Zealot is they're under the wrong impression that their DS4 can clear hordes instead of doing literally anything else while the Inferno Psyker behind them does all the work

[sharp epoch]

It's one of the most boring playstyles but also one of the most impactful, basically pauses the whole game for 5 seconds every 20 seconds

[undone jungle]

My least played class but I still force myself to be the parties Zealot in Havoc because I carry the burden like a cross so my teammates can have fun

[sonic kayak]

Enemies of the Imperium, hear me; You have come here to die. The Immortal Emperor is with us and we are invincible. His soldiers will strike you down. His tanks will crush you under their treads. His guns will bring the very sky down upon you.

So make yourselves ready, you cannot win.

[stiff cipher]

Squad full of recon vets and everything catches a fade

[sharp epoch]

Sometimes that's me too, idk if anyone enjoys being the book zealot tbh

[sudden cedar]

[undone jungle]

at least it's kinda fun to play that build with power gs + reconlas because if I had to run DS4 + Flamer/Boltgun again I'd personally kill and skin John Carmack

[undone jungle]

I only find it fun when running slightly off meta (aka anything but Dueling Sword)

[stiff cipher]

Yeah I hate dueling sword

[sudden cedar]

Try out the Tac Axe.

[stiff cipher]

😳

[undone jungle]

Maybe when it gets buffed

[sudden cedar]

You do it for more crits for more chorus.

[stiff cipher]

Monday right

[sudden cedar]

Not because you want to kill something.

You are not the one that kills something.

[stiff cipher]

I use things because I want to kill

[sonic kayak]

I use knife on Chorus

[undone jungle]

With the rework to the crit CDR needing a crit only once per 4s you don't need to do that anymore

You used to, but it's not necessary

[sonic kayak]

Just to not compromise my mobility and not run DS

[sudden cedar]

I am aware.

[undone jungle]

Thank fuck for that change because otherwise I'd have no choice but to run DS4 or knife

[sudden cedar]

You always have a choice.

[stiff cipher]

I love the dueling sword

🤖

[undone jungle]

Thank you Evelyn that's inspirational

[sudden cedar]

That is what iam here for.

Or something. I don't know.

[undone jungle]

The Adolf Hitler from Nazi Germany be like

[stiff cipher]

not really I just don’t know what else to use

[sudden cedar]

[stiff cipher]

Did he like dueling

[sonic kayak]

I like the little flourish you do when your animation resets

[undone jungle]

I feel like he'd run DS4 with Plasma Gun

[sudden cedar]

That was unexpected.

[stiff cipher]

Prolly not skilled enough to aim to do anything else

[sonic kayak]

Now, when we can get a proper dueling sword, I'm all for it

[undone jungle]

I was split between saying that and something else

[lapis osprey]

Any suggestions on improvements in this talent tree for a tac axe double barrel build?

[sonic kayak]

Or if I can bother to learn the MK2, it's not bad honestly

[stiff cipher]

The something else may have been better

[undone jungle]

Plasma Gun is the only Vet weapon you can kill yourself with in his defense

[sharp epoch]

New buffed tac axe might be better, the crit bonus + fast swing speed will make cooldowns fast af

[sudden cedar]

It was so out of the blue..

[stiff cipher]

Lore accurate

[stiff cipher]

I’m stealing it

Just because I can

[sonic kayak]

So you're saying

[undone jungle]

I think I saw the 1945 in chucklenuts name and it activated my sleeper agent code

[hollow ibex]

looks good to me

[sonic kayak]

You like that, chucklenuts?

[sudden cedar]

You what?

[stiff cipher]

Like what

[sudden cedar]

Damn.

[undone jungle]

Is chucklenuts1945... not like us?

[lapis osprey]

Sure, here's the rest. curios are 3 toughness.

[sonic kayak]

The build, that you're stealing it

[stiff cipher]

Idk I just wanna try something new

[hollow ibex]

hmm why carapace

[sudden cedar]

Try the Achlys Combat Axe. You will enjoy it. Trust me.

[hollow ibex]

DB doesn't do shit against crushers even with crit

[undone jungle]

Push attack spam goes brrrrr

[stiff cipher]

THEY NOT LIKE US THEY NOT LIKE US

[sudden cedar]

Shush.

It is pure pain.

Purgatory.

[sonic kayak]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0RQdmoRhT6k&pp=ygUZWW91IGxpa2UgdGhhdCBjaHVja2xlbnV0c9IHCQm-CQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D

[undone jungle]

It's to bash them to death with the special

[hollow ibex]

got it, carry on

[stiff cipher]

Think fast chucklenuts

https://tenor.com/view/scout-gif-25786536

[sudden cedar]

Get that white-out out of here.

I get flashbacks from a Havoc Mission

[cloud thunder]

Yall think spidey mod will be fine day 1 of arbites?

[sudden cedar]

It can crash and burn for all i care.

[undone jungle]

Better to ask that in the modding discord

[sharp epoch]

headtaker instead of BM?

[sudden cedar]

How about both?

Brutal Momentum and Headtaker?

[sharp epoch]

I think decimator pretty good on tac axe instead of headtaker

[undone jungle]

I will simply assume they're hearing impaired and not a crutcher out of respect for my blood pressure

[sudden cedar]

Benefit of the doubt hm?

I would like to believe that.

Same as dodge counter or healthbars, to be honest.

[undone jungle]

Dodge counter I really don't care about but healthbars always pisses me off sorry 😭

"I just wanna see how much damage I'm doing" every gameplay video I see of it they're picking off shotgunners from across the map because they took 2 ticks of damage from soulflame be so real

[sudden cedar]

Correct.

[sharp epoch]

theres 55k hearing impaired dt players apparently 😭

[stiff cipher]

Guys we are two days away from cosmetic rotation YAY

and the other thing

[sudden cedar]

Okay and?

[sudden cedar]

[undone jungle]

It's because of Mortis trials ogryns using box of hurt. Trust me.

[stiff cipher]

We got some attitude in the chat today

[true jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/everyone-is-so-mean-to-me-heartbroken-heartbreak-shower-everyone-gif-9844935362240232951

[stiff cipher]

Here smoke this and CHILL

[true jackal]

into the collection

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/sXXMCD2azEp.gif

[sharp epoch]

mhm doesnt help like all the dt ytbers use it too

[stiff cipher]

I got some more heat in my collection

[undone jungle]

one of my friends dropped a clip of her doing something cool on twitter in darktide and everyone clowned on her for the 48 healthbars on the screen

[stiff cipher]

Real

Average twitter experience

[undone jungle]

fully deserved she needed to be humbled

[sudden cedar]

Not knowing those things is part of the fun for me

[sonic kayak]

[undone jungle]

She put healthbars on flak hordes

[stiff cipher]

“Yeah I did something cool and dangerous “

[undone jungle]

[stiff cipher]

YOUR INVINCIBLE

[sonic kayak]

[sudden cedar]

I know i would play vastly different if i knew that those 5 crushers chasing me only have 100 HP left.

[undone jungle]

UNIRONICALLY

[sonic kayak]

Lmao

On FLAK hordes of all things

What, she using the DClaw?

[undone jungle]

So she could, allegedly, horde clear better

[crude star]

sometimes i wanna bring kraks just for bosses

[true jackal]

just manage their hp in your brain

[sudden cedar]

Fair enough

[stiff cipher]

Yeah or you could be cool and swing till they die like a crazy man

[sudden cedar]

@true jackal I trust in the God-Emperor of Mankind.

Also, two-handed chain axe sounds great.

[undone jungle]

I'm gonna download healthbars mod and turn it on only for poxwalker hordes

[sudden cedar]

Can we get a Halberd too?

[sonic kayak]

I like health bars just because it reminds me of DRG

Nothing more

[stiff cipher]

Fuck it war hammer in my warhammer game

[sonic kayak]

Now, danger zone

[sudden cedar]

An actual warhammer? In MY warhammer game? Now that goes too far.

What is this, Fantasy?

Excuse me, this is SCIENCE FICTION

[undone jungle]

If they added an actual warhammer the playerbase would protest asking why it's so dinky

[true jackal]

oh like an rl accurate warhammer

I was gonna say, we do literally have the thunderhammer

[sonic kayak]

Yeah, and people already protest that it's dinky

[sudden cedar]

[quick seal]

thunderhammer is already dinky

[undone jungle]

It's kinda funny that in Vermintide 2 the only character with an actual Warhammer is Sienna (Crowbill dlc weapon) and it's also the single worst weapon in the game if we ignore Elven Axe

[sudden cedar]

[sonic kayak]

It feels weird and definitely takes effort to learn but boy is the skill expression on it satisfying

[true jackal]

speaking of dinky

the elven axe

what even is that, it's like not even a hatchet

[quick seal]

there are dregs already surviving unpowered overhead swings from a giant hammer. Like, if I threw a cinderblock sized metal block at your head, there should be no surviving it. Powered up or not.

[sudden cedar]

Why do Elves even have axes?

[undone jungle]

Deadass I'm pretty sure it's not even canon

They just wanted to give her an axe weapon

[sudden cedar]

Apart from White Lions of course, but thats High Elves not Wood Elves.

[true jackal]

they do use a lot of glaives, and their glaives tend to be axish

[stiff cipher]

Me when an DIRTY ELF tries to fight me in hand to hand

[sudden cedar]

Kerillian would win

[undone jungle]

I wanna see a Wood Elf lumbercamp in total war

[sudden cedar]

They probably just collect fallen branches or something

[undone jungle]

It kinda reminds me of elves in dwarf fortress that will invade you for chopping down too many trees yet they use wooden swords

[sonic kayak]

I loved those movies, my man

[stiff cipher]

Mini me for the win

[terse idol]

For times when you need something that isn't long

Like

I should ask

Why do wood elves use glaives

If their home is all forests

[sudden cedar]

Design Choices

[true jackal]

cuase they look cool

[undone jungle]

Glaives look tuff

[terse idol]

I guess glaives are more

[stiff cipher]

Trying to make sense of KNIFE EARS ain’t easy

[terse idol]

Dark elves

[true jackal]

which is like 99% of warhammer logic for stuff

[terse idol]

High elves

And wood elves focus on shorter weapons like the axe and daggers

And spears

[undone jungle]

Idk dark elves are more dual swords and fully automatic darkshards

[terse idol]

Abit of both

They are known to use glaives

Darkshards yes

100%

[sudden cedar]

Black Guard of Naggarond have Glaive like Weapons

Or maybe those are Halberds, i don't know.

[undone jungle]

Dark Elves are located in the north american continent of the warhammer fantasy world, as indicated by their fully automatic black rifles and colonisation efforts

[true jackal]

DE design wise idk if i'd give them glaives specifically, halberds or some other polearm that has a type of grapling abilitty fits them

[sudden cedar]

[terse idol]

Whatever the case its a useful weapon

To kill cav

[true jackal]

they are halberds yes

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/saltzpyre-eyebrow-raise-vermintide-gif-24052002

[terse idol]

Its fiine

End times kerilian

[grand perch]

you lot know a suspicious lot about elves

[terse idol]

Can use glaives

Cause they move around everywhere

[sudden cedar]

@grand perch Know thy enemy and you know how to kill them.

[undone jungle]

They're very fun to play in WH3 in my defense. I love eating the donut

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/skaven-to-war-vermintide-gif-15706902

[stiff cipher]

I don’t I just know their ears is wrong

[sudden cedar]

For Sigmar and the Empire.

[stiff cipher]

You guys hear rats

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/franz-march-summon-the-elector-counts-karl-franz-izzys-fav-walking-gif-17706733

[sudden cedar]

Skaven do not exist.

SUMMON THE ELECTOR-COUNTS

[terse idol]

Look-look, knowing elf thing simply-easy, look at tree, see arrow? Dead-dead. Not see arrow? No elves simple-easy

[undone jungle]

I love doing a defensive alliance with the empire as wood elves and getting steam tanks from them (you need a mod to actually fix allied recruitment unfortunately)

[sudden cedar]

Wood Elves with Steam Tanks.

[frank basin]

hi smudgels!

[sudden cedar]

[terse idol]

Twh3 giving me massive disappointment

[frank basin]

long time

[terse idol]

Hey lasagnaa

Yeah

[terse idol]

Ive been playing every other game

[frank basin]

yeah

been bl3 also

[grand perch]

i allied with chorfs as empire once
their district in my city said it was probably a bad idea to keep them around

[sudden cedar]

@true jackal I like the Skaven tho.

[undone jungle]

The multiplayer is pretty fun if you don't get matched against Slaanesh

[terse idol]

Skaven forming an alliance with empire just to get tanks

FULL ARMOUR REGIMENT SKAVEN

DOOM WHEEL
THE SMALLER ROLLING BALL
A TANK

[sudden cedar]

@grand perch Chorfs

Nukes.

[terse idol]

Well slaanesh is fine if you just have hardy melee to be fair

[undone jungle]

I like doing dwarf alliance as Vamp Counts in SFO because you can have a gunline of dwarf handguns in front of zombie handgunnners in front of leadbelchers

[unreal nova]

Rats are fluffy-thing.

[terse idol]

If youre tzeetch youre kinda fucked

[unreal nova]

Eh?

[undone jungle]

They're really op in multiplayer rn. Absurdly high winrate

[terse idol]

Oof

[sudden cedar]

Are you sure you are still playing VC at that point?

I'd say "Fuck Slaanesh" but.. eeehh... not a good idea.

[sudden cedar]

DOS2

[undone jungle]

They were over 80% last month but dropped because people just refuse to play against them unless they hard counter

[sudden cedar]

Damn

[true jackal]

CE desperately needs to balance campaign and multiplayer separately

[undone jungle]

They are doing that recently thank god

[grand perch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1357328912547320073/1385667692526043267/image0.gif?ex=6858389a&is=6856e71a&hm=916c7a0148a965650ec3d608d850d21fa2ddda464918b113bbd2293c1769d7a8&=

[gritty pawn]

Can anyone speak to Cleave Damage vs Cleave Targets as a dump stat for Power Swords when running Brutal Momentum?

Can't figure out which it should be

[unreal nova]

I mean, the fluffy-thing keeps telling me that but he likes being patted anyway.

[undone jungle]

Slaanesh is just overtuned because absurd army abilities, they can force any enemy unit into Rampage which is an easy way to lose expensive units to downtrades

[grand perch]

always cleave target

[undone jungle]

Also high mobility means you can pick your fights and always downtrade

Uptrade*

[gritty pawn]

Can you elaborate on why one over the other?

[unreal nova]

To be fair, rarely shows up in any game anyway lul.

Dear GW, when ADULT games about Slaanesh?

[grand perch]

raising cleave target above 60% doesnt make you cleave more targets in any meaningful way

[undone jungle]

Brutal Momentum is the main player in upping your cleave, that or Sunder

[unreal nova]

Bonus if yuri, yes.

[sudden cedar]

Can't have that.

[undone jungle]

We need Sisters yuri in games already. There's so many examples in the books

Don't take that out of context

[unreal nova]

I know. Bonus Sister x Cultist yuri? Flees.

[undone jungle]

You get it

[unreal nova]

I know, cute pair tbh. Need more.

[undone jungle]

There's a book where the main characters are part of a polycule of Sororitas afaik

I need to get it

[unreal nova]

To be fair, you start bonding being together for ages, might become more.

[true jackal]

i'd also possibly recommend looking into sisters of silence stuff if you like that

for no particular reason

[gritty pawn]

Gotcha, thanks

[unreal nova]

More so if you have an empath in the squad that they all kept secret about.

Flees.

[lapis osprey]

what would you suggest?

[unreal nova]

Used to write heretical things.

[lapis osprey]

i'll try BM instead of headtaker

[sharp epoch]

so db does like zero damage against carapace 25% more of 0 is like still 0

I'd just stick with flak/maniac or flak/unarmored

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-elmo-meme-tickle-me-elmo-throw-wall-gif-25202313

[unreal nova]

Look, if you know, you know.

[lapis osprey]

oke thanks

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent flechette helps with trapper “”one shots”” but while playing I noticed sometimes I just don’t one shot them

Would 10% specialist be worth it?

[tall torrent]

What gun

[tropic notch]

Oh my bad dbarrel

[tall torrent]

No

[tropic notch]

Maybe all the pellets aren’t hitting

[tall torrent]

Just a matter of range

[tropic notch]

Ohhhh

I forgot about it’s range stat

Ngl

What’s it’s most effective range?

[sharp epoch]

POINT BLANK

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

Mind blowing

[sharp epoch]

also maniac 25% is almost always better than specialist 10%

[tropic notch]

I know I run flak and that atm

[sharp epoch]

DB breakpoints arent that great when not in point blank and the recent buff barely did anythign

[tropic notch]

True

Wonder how good knife dbarrel is in havoc

can anyone test dat

[torn gorge]

Bad ammo economy and not enough cleave on knife

[tropic notch]

False

Unless it’s 21st

[severe jolt]

me running the double barrel shotgun

[tropic notch]

And if you ur not reallllly silly you’re taking catch a breath so you gotta get survivalist

[tropic notch]

I’m on mobile atm

It’s a webm

🥀

[unreal nova]

21st and knoife. Ah yes, what is cleave?

[tropic notch]

Depending on where you hit maybe 2 to 3

Ds was hitting 3 back when I used it

[unreal nova]

It's a joke.

[tropic notch]

Drooling sword

[tropic notch]

Guh

[unreal nova]

Also, don't those play on phones anyway?

[tropic notch]

Gonna make more explosive chickens to put in ur oven

[tropic notch]

Yeah they don’t

[torn gorge]

They do

[unreal nova]

But I'm playing it on my S20 fe.

[torn gorge]

I'm on phone aswell

[unreal nova]

Just out of curiousity.

[tropic notch]

If you have android

[torn gorge]

[tall torrent]

Like 5.6m

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-cat-cat-vro-cat-gif-17161343143756375842

[unreal nova]

So melee.

Well, slightly more than melee.

[tropic notch]

More than enough

[tall torrent]

8 weapons left to round out ranged weapons for veteran

Just autoguns at this point

[torn gorge]

For the steam page?

[unreal nova]

But what about the weapon tweaks?

[steep flower]

Divinity; Original Sin 2 my beloved

[sudden cedar]

As someone earlier said.

@steep flower The only universe where Elves are not a problem because they got exterminated pre-emptively

[broken galleon]

I am trying to do the Be Methodical penance, I am not sure on what talent I need to extend the time. Some googling is saying relentless but I can't find a talent named that. Help pls

Also will it work with executioner stance or do I have to use volley fire

[normal bay]

If you just keep killing enemies, it will extend the time exe stance is active

Exe Stance works, yes

[broken galleon]

sweet thank you

[formal hamlet]

FFS, whole team is down and I didn't realise it.

I go to get rez, don't use my cloak because why waste it, dog leaps on me outta nowhere, didn't even know dog was in play nearby.

I either need to a) keep an eye on if people are all dead or not more often or b) just pop my ability and don't take the risk or c) both.

[normal bay]

Everytime I choose not to use an ability or an item, I usually regret it

[formal hamlet]

Yeahhhhhh...

There's so much going on I forget to glance at team health bars.

[normal bay]

Darktide has some incredible timing

[formal hamlet]

This Veteran cloaking thing is very good for getting downed teammates up, must say.

Feels like I get 5-6 revives per run.

[normal bay]

But yes, it helps to keep an eye for caution symbols and look to see if someones actually downed or disabled on the health bars. Can really save a run

[formal hamlet]

So far haven't extracted on this difficulty yet but we got damn close this time.

Cautions I normally notice.

Helps me save pinned allies and such.

I saw one or two cautions and was like okay no problem I'll go rez.

Turns out the other teammate was dead dead.

[sudden cedar]

[normal bay]

If an Ogryn had simply shot a dog earlier, instead of trying to res a teammate with a bunch of specials around, he could have in turn revived me and we would have had a full team up. Instead we had a man down.

Got a bit lucky that most everything was dead by that stage but just shows what awareness can do

[sudden cedar]

@normal bay Quite a lot of players don't do that.

[formal hamlet]

I kinda get that thought process.

[unreal nova]

Pifft. Most would be nicer if they were taken care of from young by better ppl.

[normal bay]

I think a lot of it is panic, not everyone can keep a cool head in those situations, especially newer players

[sudden cedar]

That is correct.

[formal hamlet]

If it's a less experienced player like me, the chances of them handling those specials alone feels worse than trying to risk it and get the rez.

[sudden cedar]

I can see that

[unreal nova]

Panic and survive better. No panic and blep.

[formal hamlet]

Like I know what to do against the specials, but when you know you're the only one alive and the pressure is on you, you might fuck up that dodge timing on a trapper shot, or focus too much on the dog you're trying to get out of the picture and get blindsided by the pox burster running behind a horde you can't properly see.

[sudden cedar]

You might fuck up even when level-headed and focused

It just happens

[normal bay]

It's understandable but a cool head can keep the team alive. Comes with experience, everyone makes mistakes

[unreal nova]

I die more now since I don't panic on a hairtrigger.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I thought I had trapper dodges down and was away from my team grabbing some plasteel and such, net got me and I felt like a right tool.

[sudden cedar]

That will change eventually Kari.

[normal bay]

Some people do better when the panic starts, I swear

[formal hamlet]

Because my team is thinking "serves him right for zooming away from us" and I'm thinking "serves me right gor zooming away from them."

Especially when I got this knoife.

[steep flower]

Man i need to sharpen your awareness with my chainaxe

[unreal nova]

Adrenaline pump, I guess.

[formal hamlet]

You give me a knoife and suddenly I think I'm Sonic.

[normal bay]

I mean, that happened to me earlier. Trappers THE most dangerous enemy

[unreal nova]

Immune. Blame FS and silent Maulers.

[steep flower]

Do not worry; Papa Willy will find a way

[unreal nova]

Get a net gun.

[formal hamlet]

Trapper's little laugh is great, proper little rat.

[unreal nova]

You will find two frags and 8 bullets in your direction.

[formal hamlet]

I'd be down for a netgun in this game.

One buddy nets, the other 3 start wailing on him with bats.

[sudden cedar]

Already exists.

Its called Voice of Command.

[formal hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/came-to-the-wrong-hood-beat-up-power-rangers-gif-15979816

[steep flower]

I wanna be trapped by a trapper gf

[sudden cedar]

Or Chorus of Spiritual Fortitude.

[formal hamlet]

I hope VoC gets nerfed.

Or better yet Exec Order just gets buffed to make the choice a bit harder.

[strange crow]

Only thing keeping vet afloat atp

[formal hamlet]

I don't even think I hate that it's strong so much that I hate that's it's strong yet brain dead to use.

I thought WS wasn't too shabby either though for Vet?

[normal bay]

WS is his best keystone tbh

[strange crow]

Yeah fr

I meant of the 3 abilities

[formal hamlet]

Oh right yeah, WS isn't even an ability.

[normal bay]

But has its limitations with weapon selection

[formal hamlet]

Right right, cloaking is the right side ability.

[midnight wyvern]

let zealot use book without having to have book out when

[sudden cedar]

[midnight wyvern]

just a different VoC at that point lol

idk how you make it better

[unreal nova]

Wrong, that's chorus. Book boss into corner, team smashes the boss in.

[formal hamlet]

I just realised I could use cloak with Helbore to address the problem if enemies knocking my aim off when I'm trying to take out specials fast.

[sleek garden]

i was using weapons specialist earlier and i dont get the hype

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova Its both really.

[sleek garden]

exy stance ignores stagger

[midnight wyvern]

use it harder

[formal hamlet]

Might be weapon dependant, I'm using it with knife/revolver.

[strange crow]

Or just use exec stance

Much better

[midnight wyvern]

or just dodge

[sleek garden]

and you have to dodge

instead of getting hit

[unreal nova]

Is pesudo net thing.

[formal hamlet]

I used to use exec stance, forgot it removes stagger tbh.

[normal bay]

I didn't even know lol

[formal hamlet]

I used it for target highlighting and reaching breakpoints to one tap easier tbh.

Okay, attempt 3 on Damnation.

You guys said it's easier than Heresy but I dunno, my teams aren't finishing the missions.

But it's also not that bad, like it feels like Heresy, but we dying.

[normal bay]

In my experience, it's not as big a difference in success as some would suggest

[unreal nova]

Usually ppl are better. You get really unlucky

[normal bay]

But it is a lot harder and breakpoints are more demanding

[midnight wyvern]

stuff just hits harder, and is more tanky

[formal hamlet]

I'd assume they would be carrying me, but so far it feels like hte other way around, everyone's dying and I gotta keep rezzing.

[normal bay]

I've some horrible streaks on damnation too lol. Sometimes you just have bad luck, with teams and spawns

Woe, 20 maulers be upon ye

[midnight wyvern]

yeah sometimes you get people with hands, sometimes you don't

[true jackal]

not anymore at least

[formal hamlet]

I guess it comes with the territory when I'm doing random queue.

[midnight wyvern]

kinda everywhere in DT lol

[formal hamlet]

I'm not used to solo queuing in stuff.

Feels gross tbh.

[true jackal]

back before more difficulties and modes where added really all the extremely good players had was Damnation so you had a lot of them in there, now they are in other places

[formal hamlet]

Sounds reasonable, could well be that.

Though I also wonder if people who wanna Darktide and chill wanna just dive right into max diff games where it's no blinking allowed for the entire mission.

[normal bay]

Not sure how the difficulty shake up will turn out on Monday, will the auric heresy players go damnation or auric?

This could be an interesting few weeks

[formal hamlet]

So besides my moneys, does anything else carry over on my Arbites from my Vet?

[normal bay]

Mastery for weapons

Your own skills

[formal hamlet]

Oh that's nice.

For the first one I mean.

[unreal nova]

You really rolled like I do.

[normal bay]

You're not happy about your skills transferring?

[sudden cedar]

[formal hamlet]

Not much skill to transfer.

[unreal nova]

Seems normal.

Just panic harder, it's easy.

It'll be fine.

[formal hamlet]

Oh by the way.

Hardest part about using knife and charged attack to zoom around:

[unreal nova]

Has a hard time panicking now.

[formal hamlet]

I keep triggering exposive barrels by accident when hitting nearby enemies.

[unreal nova]

Skill issue. Aim away from barrels.

[formal hamlet]

Oh it's like 99% skill issue.

[unreal nova]

Don't fight next to one either. Whoops and rip.

[formal hamlet]

Just bites me in the ass too often.

Alright, let's see how my Damnation RNG goes now...

I'll stick to cloaking build.

[normal bay]

Good luck 🫡

[unreal nova]

That's up to you and playstyle.

I just shout and charge into a 'nade if it's not a crusher/gunner wall.

[crude star]

i have been enjoying laspistol with power sword

[normal bay]

I was running las pistol X this morning. I'm converted

[formal hamlet]

Ayyy, I did it. First damnation win.

And I clutched a lot again.

I would say this cloaking build carries hard because of how many revives I get, but tbh VoC carries because nobody goes down in the first place.

[sudden cedar]

In other words.

You carry with it because everyone sucks so hard.

[formal hamlet]

Probably. Though it seems this last team sucked just a little less, enough for us to finally get out.

[sudden cedar]

Not to be negative, it is just a way of seeing it.

[formal hamlet]

I did have to leave 2 allies behind.

[steep flower]

Your bluntness befits your origin

[sudden cedar]

Someone has to i guess

[formal hamlet]

We were doing that bit where you gotta get batteries out of like train carriages and install them. Like 8 batteries?

[hollow ibex]

got to use taxe mk7 properly

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

so good

[steep flower]

5

[formal hamlet]

People went down a ton of times, I got the revives. And the real clutch part was when 2 guys were dead, I went to the spawn area alone and got them both back up and then ran back to our lone ogryn to help him not get overrun, I felt like I was really putting in my share of the work.

[slow spade]

god why do people queue for damnations if they're just going to be like this

[formal hamlet]

Oh, probably. It was alotta batteries.

[sudden cedar]

There is Gloriana

[normal bay]

Needs must. Seen many a run ended because someone ran to make a quick save, only to get downed themselves

[formal hamlet]

What's the problem?

[sudden cedar]

There is Baros

And Excise Vault

[slow spade]

:c

[hollow ibex]

1 dpm

death per minute

[sudden cedar]

[normal bay]

1 per minute

[formal hamlet]

Oh shit that's one guy's deaths?

[slow spade]

I don't even know what happened

[sudden cedar]

Reminds me of that one mission where i had like 24 deaths between 3 Ogryns.

[steady prism]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-laser-laser-cat-laser-shoe-gif-14808746

I would say Cloaking is the way to go as Veteran until you get organized teams. If I showed you clips from a few of my random matches, you will see how painfully oblivious some people are. My match last week.. My team mates ran all automatics and ran out of ammo before a Dog wave showed up. I was the only with ammo trying to whack them

This GIF accurately describes my experience as a Veteran

[formal hamlet]

True that is a lot of deaths.

[sudden cedar]

I had to continously pick them up with my Zealot.

[formal hamlet]

Is that like dead dead or when they go down counting as well?

[sudden cedar]

They just kept facetanking everything

Fully dead, but i revived a lot of them too.

[slow spade]

death :c

[formal hamlet]

Jesus 33 full deaths?

[slow spade]

yeah lol

[sudden cedar]

At some point i was just spawncamping the respawn point because i knew more Ogryns would spawn there to rescue.

[formal hamlet]

Even half that I don't think I've seen anyone come close to in my games.

Like at most full deaths I've seen is like...5?

[crude star]

infiltrate cool down just seems so long

[sudden cedar]

When things go down it can go crazy

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's kinda fucked. worse than VOC, 50% longer cd

[formal hamlet]

It does, but I think they kinda account for the way it works is why it's slightly longer.

[steady prism]

Oh I had one match with 21 full deaths.. It was a low intensity. Ragers and Crushers spawned the most. I saw 2 Crushers chasing the Zealot and was silently giggling

[formal hamlet]

Oh also that run I just got out alive in?

Some kinda modifier where I can't see shit.

Almost as annoying as the green gas.

[hollow ibex]

lights out?

oh vent purge

[crude star]

lights out is fun

[formal hamlet]

Not dark, like mist everytwhere.

[hollow ibex]

i hate lights out

yeah vent purge

with sniper spam

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I couldn't see where the bomber was tossing nades from, snipers all over the place, it was wild.

Lights out with flashlights sound like a good laugh.

[unreal nova]

Zealots are blunt. I'm just Autistic.

[steady prism]

Oh the one where you cant see at a distance? that is a Veteran build kill event.. F that. Like I said so many times in the forums.. Veterans need a specialty. I would very much like a Hot Shot Las with an Optic that highlites enemies in my visual cone rather than rely on Executioners Stance for that

[unreal nova]

They want free carries.

[normal bay]

Until someone shines it at the many Daemonhosts

[formal hamlet]

Don't get me started on those hosts.

Doesn't matter how much we ping it.

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-life-i-cant-help-it-it-so-beautiful-gif-14823456

There's always one guy.

[steady prism]

No no.. that is a good thing.. it allows me to black mail team mates who are not behaving. I like to tell them if you dont get your crap together, I will shine my light on a Deamon 😛

[normal bay]

It'll be coming for you though

[formal hamlet]

I think it agros on whoever pissed it off first.

Thank fuck.

[steady prism]

They dont know that half the time though.. that is why it works 😛

[formal hamlet]

Half tempted to let the bastards die sometimes.

[sudden cedar]

@formal hamlet Prepare for the inevitable situation where someone triggers the daemonhost and eject themselves from the game to fuck someone else up for their mistake only to come back like its nothing.

[formal hamlet]

They can rejoin after leaving?

[steady prism]

True. Unfortunately this game is well designed for self sabotage.. between the Automatics, Daemonhosts and a few other things I can list

[formal hamlet]

Bold of them to assume there's still an ongoing match.

[sudden cedar]

Of course they can.

Some people are very trigger happy with that Alt+F4

[formal hamlet]

Automatics?

Like full auto guns?

[sudden cedar]

No.

Literally almost automatic behaviour

When i hear a trapper, i dodge

[steady prism]

Yes those things.. they shoot everything that twitches and runs out of ammo.. all the time. Then me who is actually doing things right by using semi auto has to ammo conserve

Well that too

[sudden cedar]

Does not matter if iam targetet, i just dodge

[formal hamlet]

Oh like muscle memory.

[sudden cedar]

Nevermind

He said it.

I missunderstood.

But what i said is a thing too.

[steady prism]

Oh you were right too. I failed to think of that.. That is how the Zealot on my last public run got nailed.. Heard a trapper and by instinct dodge thinking it was aimed at them without checking first.. Crusher downs them

[formal hamlet]

I dodged off a cliff once.

I got picked up fast but it was on pure reflex lol.

[sudden cedar]

@steady prism Minor side effects.

[normal bay]

That's a requirement for playing darktide

Pretty sure I failed a clutch once, dodging off a platform

[crude star]

saw a guy hang off an edge once but his character’s feet were like 2 feet off the floor

was tempted to see if he would die from that small a drop

[steady prism]

I remember my most hilarious thing was when a wave of Dogs spawned and by instinct I ran for a corner to get in a firing position (I can stun dogs with my XII).. I didnt see it but one of the dogs that tried to pounce me, ended up nailing a team mate instead of me in the process. I was like.. that was not intended at all but that was funny and beneficial

[formal hamlet]

My lack of ammo count got me downed last match. Maniacs rushing me, I thought I had 3 in the cylinder, I did not. I shot once, still alive, twice, still alive, third time click and I got one tapped into down.

[unreal nova]

Don't work, need to predodge.

[formal hamlet]

Sometimes I hear trapper and dodge but horde is so packed around me I can't, and their net just goes through allies casually.

[unreal nova]

No, I have 300 ping.

[steady prism]

I hate that. I was hoping that would of been fixed since Vermintide.. There was a few times when using the Pole Arm with Kruber that I got nailed.. despite using my reach and being behind a team mte

[fading yarrow]

Man
Low-level DT is mind-numbingly boring
Auric has ruined my enjoyment of non-sweatiness

[formal hamlet]

I mean I kinda get it, if they couldn't shoot through their allies they'd almost never have a clear shot. But horde not giving me space to dodge even though I react to the audio cue, it's my fault but still reee.

Shouldn't let horde surround me in first place.

[steady prism]

They shouldnt be allowed to shoot through.. it should be friendly fire like the Tox Flamers (imo)

[formal hamlet]

Would make my life a lot easier.

[unreal nova]

Drop 2 frags.

[formal hamlet]

Same with dogs.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah my first thought.

[normal bay]

The trapper has warp powers, convince me otherwise

[unreal nova]

Maybe not oggy types.

[formal hamlet]

Or just VoC if I'm using that build lol.

[hollow ibex]

i will generally save one frag for hairy situations

even one frag can save your ass

[formal hamlet]

"I need space." Hits F key

[steady prism]

Dogs I hate WAY worse than Assassins from Vermintide. At least with Sins they have predictable behavior and you can force them to over jump. Dogs you cant because they have a shorter leap distance and run like Sonic

[unreal nova]

1 frag clutched an auric 3 veg.

[hollow ibex]

they're pretty predictable

dogs that is

[unreal nova]

Stunned crusher long enough to pick up the zealot.

[steady prism]

Not as predicatable as Sins

[formal hamlet]

Dogs feel so easy until they don't. They keep me on my toes. Like sometimes they run to position, and there's no delay between that and them going for the leap. Other times they run to a position, clearly stop, you can see them winding up so you're ready to dodge, pushblock etc.

[hollow ibex]

been years since i played VT2

[grand perch]

infil sadly kind of does the opposite of helping your teammates stay up. it only gets them up

[hollow ibex]

but dogs are very easy to fuck around with

[unreal nova]

I can tank small shits to a degree but praying on the frag stun.

[narrow frost]

dogs are 1/4th the threat of assassins

[crude star]

dogs just got numbers

[formal hamlet]

When are playing as / fighting Tau in Darktide.

[steady prism]

Dogs when not in packs are easy to deal with yes but if you have ever been in my matches.. you will quickly find yourself as the only Veteran trying to shoot them. When I am trying to solo 10 dogs with an XII.. its not a fun experience

[normal bay]

Assassins will just delete you lol

[formal hamlet]

I wanna be shooting Kroot while FireWarriors are taking pot shots at me.

[narrow frost]

1: they can be pushed from any range when you hear their sound queue, 2: they can get knocked off by enemies (i.e. mutant running by) 3: they take longer to wait to jump again, 4: they do far less damage

[hollow ibex]

all you have to do is abuse the pathing

[unreal nova]

Making me solo 1.5 BoN before they all died though....

[formal hamlet]

Vespid trying to kidnap my teammate to put eggs in them.

[hollow ibex]

hide behind a corner as they come and they're just free damage

hell even crates prevent them from pouncing

[unreal nova]

Was why I had one 'nade left.

[crude star]

does catch a breath work whiel being shot at?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[crude star]

o damn

[unreal nova]

As long as you don't get hit in melee

It's Temu ver of the Arbites thing.

They just need dog near.

You can't be touched at all.

Blocking breaks it btw.

[crude star]

i see

[stuck tree]

[unreal nova]

So only dodges.

[hollow ibex]

and pushing

[formal hamlet]

Does Vermintide have any additional mechanics compared to Darktide?

I feel like that game gets a lot more love from the devs but dunno if it's worth playing, I have it.

[unreal nova]

You can block overheads at cost to all stam.

Or alot. I don't remember.

[formal hamlet]

Otherwise it's mechanically the same?

Guess I'm not missing much.

[unreal nova]

I had to use that alot since dodging on controller there is impossible.

[unreal nova]

You can't go fast as well and slide.

[formal hamlet]

Oh well fuck that.

[trail cobalt]

I LOVE TRYING to get for the emperor 2

its lovely

[formal hamlet]

Now that I've learned what speed is with a knife I can't merely go back.

[unreal nova]

Hi, try it on Zealot. Just remember not to go too far.

[formal hamlet]

I think I have.

I got an LV30 Zealot, pretty sure I have a zoom zoom knife build on that one too.

[unreal nova]

Bonus if roll funny knoife IJ.

Or knoife meleeker.

[maiden wasp]

P sure vermintide is done now. The map they released is supposedly the last one.

[unreal nova]

Scriers meme build of go fast, stab heads and crit crit crit or die.

[formal hamlet]

Feels like it has a good deal of maps now, plenty of classes and subclasses, loads of cosmetics.

[unreal nova]

Immune to ranged on crits heh.

[formal hamlet]

I know it's subjective but Darktide cosmetics are generally so bad, I want to give Fatshark money but there's like nothing I wanna buy.

[strange crow]

Steel legion kit

[unreal nova]

The good stuff are FOMO walled rn.

[formal hamlet]

I know they like to do that FOMO rotation bollocks so maybe I just haven't seen the good ones yet.

[maiden wasp]

Yeah, just saying that if you're going into it for the fatshark support, it might be shifting to either darktide or another project right about now.

[hollow ibex]

there's some really nice ones but yeah, FOMO store

[formal hamlet]

Ironic, the FOMO is meant to encourage me to buy more, but it's making me buy less because there's nothing on rotation when I got some spare cash.

[unreal nova]

The one thing negative review of is totally legit. We hate the bloody FOMO store.

[normal bay]

Fatshark hates money

[severe jolt]

Vermintide has less mechanics. You don't have sprint or slide in vermintide. It's still a very fun game though.

[unreal nova]

You already missed the good ones and there's only slop when you play so... eh.

[tall torrent]

good ones are VERY far and few between

[formal hamlet]

This one's kinda cool, but looking for a more soldiery vibe, but this is interesting for my ninja build.

[unreal nova]

Why try to scrouge up some cash to get them when you can't.

[formal hamlet]

This one's nice. I bet it has a cool voice modulator too.

[unreal nova]

Been waiting 8-9 months for the Commissar rerun even.

Never happened.

[formal hamlet]

So when will Fatshark give me the privilege of buying this?

[grand perch]

more guns need bayonets

[unreal nova]

And now they are leaving vet in the dumpster till next year so... less mood to check.

[formal hamlet]

I was gonna say that's not a Helbore but there's a Bayonet, I was confused.

[formal hamlet]

9 months for an outfit rerun? Yeah I'll waste my money on some other game.

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/13196219408300596812/54884FA5B8C515573DD7BDBB43D16774E52F6428/

[maiden wasp]

Honestly when the new update drops they'll probably put some of the fomo sets back in the store like they did for skulls.

[unreal nova]

It's longer. That's just when I started playing cos someone gave me a Humble Choice key.

[formal hamlet]

See, I'd buy this, even though I think the outfit set prices are too high for me personally, I'd buy this on a good day.

[maiden wasp]

At this point I'm just looking for sick weapon skins

[formal hamlet]

Only gun skins I've seen is insanely lazy paint jobs.

[maiden wasp]

I want the giant crusher so bad

[unreal nova]

I still want Yorrick's gun.

[formal hamlet]

I think they must be limited due to IP because it's so weirdly lazy otherwise.

[maiden wasp]

Zealot braced auto in the shop looks kinda sick

[formal hamlet]

Yeah, I actually like that besides the "hand guard".

Otherwise, pretty solid.

[maiden wasp]

I like it because of the Hand guard, lol

[unreal nova]

The FOMO shop is Tencent fault.

[formal hamlet]

Tencent has a hand in this game?

I probably knew that and forgot.

[steady prism]

The one thing I want more than Skins is weapons that are actually viable. The one sucky thing about being a Veteran is that if you pick the XII Las, you get amazing ammo capacity and can kill most things but the second the game decides to spawn Crushers its like GG. So you switch to Bolter or Plasma in response and you lack ammo capacity. There is no good balance or middle ground to the design of Veteran and its guns

Example is if I can't get them to add the Hot Shot Las.. I would be perfectly happy with them adding a backpack to the later levels of the Plasma gun.. a specialty that gives them better bonuses with it

[unreal nova]

They like how the FOMO system made money for LoL and such.

[maiden wasp]

Tencent has fingers in an absurd amount of gamer pie.

[unreal nova]

They own the company... most of it now.

Unknown majority.

[formal hamlet]

I can see the skin fomo working in LoL, but in a lot of other games it doesn't feel like it transfers as well. But then I'm going on feel, they have hard data, so yeah.

[slow spade]

the problem with fomo in Darktide is well the skins have to return lol

[unreal nova]

The only good thing is Tencent is hands off anything not monetisation related.

[steady prism]

I remember seeing that news and saying that is unfortunate. Fat Shark used to make good games. Most dont know or dont remember but one of their best in terms of design was War of the Roses.. Insane level of customization and weapon balance was good

[maiden wasp]

Bro what are you on? Take brittleness on repeated hit and watch your internus cook them.

[formal hamlet]

I think it's kinda hilarious that gacha games have re-runs for characters sooner than Darktide brings back cosmetics.

[normal bay]

1. Apply shovel to crusher face

2. Profit

3. 2. Didn't happen, a bruiser slapped you and knocked you out of your heavy, and you got overheaded

[unreal nova]

That's true.

[steady prism]

Or Axe.. That is what I do to Crushers.. I axe them a question with a strong attack to the head but the point remains that there is a huge gap in terms of weapon effectiveness

[slow spade]

it's weird how few skins return in Darktide like you only have so many regiments before you run out Fatshark

[formal hamlet]

Welp, they're saving me money I guess so I shouldn't complain.

Shovel any fun? Might level that next.

Anything but the duelling sword.

[slow spade]

above average imo

but it won't save games

[normal bay]

It makes funny bonk noises though

100% worth it

[formal hamlet]

If it does make funny bonk noises that might carry it a little indeed.

[normal bay]

Also, the crusher one shot on the folded shovels is nice

[maiden wasp]

Shovel is insanely fun, run it with bleed on hit and thunderous skullcrusher

Light attack spam everything.

[unreal nova]

Mk 1 or 3. 1 is generally best. 3 is for thrust 1 shot crushers.

[maiden wasp]

Still wish they would give it to zealot just to run max attack speed build with it.

[formal hamlet]

Will give it a try today, I think I had one lying around I saved because it at 60 on mobility which I assume is the dump stat.

[unreal nova]

Very funni bonk bonk bonks, yes.

[steady prism]

If you are going to use what most would consider a weird weapon.. I would recommend the Antax axe. that is what I use with my XII. It is slow sure but it obliterates crushers.. And any headshot on non elites is instant death. which is great when you got cleave

[unreal nova]

Yeah. Unless it has def... but taste then.

[hollow ibex]

eh

[unreal nova]

I barely remember unless I check the weapon.

[formal hamlet]

Which one's that? Not the Rashad since that's the "good" one, not the Tactical one I assume, so the other one?

[normal bay]

I don't feel like Antax is a weird choice. It's just weird because Rashad is the same but with a better stat lol

[maiden wasp]

Antax is the big brutal looking one

[unreal nova]

Rashad gud, other two lul.

[formal hamlet]

Don't think I ever used the other axe. Why do we even have 3 axes.

[unreal nova]

Tacaxe is a different breed.

[strange crow]

Plasma against crushers 💔🥀

[formal hamlet]

Tactical is kinda lowkey satisfying though, just popping heads with every swing.

[steady prism]

Antax Combat Axe. It is the one with Cleave instead of Finesse as its stat.. which is why it is a little slower. I have Brutal Momentum and Head Taker on mine. Brutal Momentum is the one that gives headshot bonus and ignores enemy hit mass on headshot kill

[unreal nova]

I'm waiting to see if I can Gas with it to a degree.

[maiden wasp]

Mashing special swing into a crushers face to stack bleed faster with the tacaxes will never not be funny

[unreal nova]

I do know you can't sprint heavy with it atm.

[formal hamlet]

I like how when you sprint with axes your character changes their hand position on the axe, feels nice.

[unreal nova]

That's just light spam into push atk knoife lul.

[normal bay]

Cleave modifier on a weapon with no cleave

Truly a moment

[unreal nova]

The extra flair on some weapons is why they are nicer to use tbh.

[maiden wasp]

Yeah, but it looks much more barbaric when you just monkeymash your axe into their face

[crude star]

i feel like on some missions i never see reciprocity even if i'm dodging a ton

[midnight wyvern]

Arbites

[crude star]

idk if the ui is just now showing the buff

[steady prism]

It is true the Antax does not have much cleave but if I aim correctly, I can hit 2 to 3 enemies at once

[unreal nova]

I guess.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah it's the one thing I'm buying. Seems I'm the only one among my friends too, they feel the class is overpriced. They obviously haven't seen the cosmetic prices.

[strange crow]

I don’t think the issue is with recon lasgun’s effectiveness, that things already cracked

[slow spade]

na Recon needs buff clearly

make DoTs ignore armor Fatshark

[unreal nova]

It lasts 5 secs. You need to basically start hitting after the dodge.

[steady prism]

Recon does need buff. honestly all guns need a stat check. I use the XII as its really one of the few options at higher difficulties where I dont have to worry about ammo

[unreal nova]

2 is precog.

[formal hamlet]

500 V Bucks for this plasma gun skin, and I legit can't tell what's different about it unless I put them side by side.

[unreal nova]

And it's crit rate so just boosts chance to crit.

[strange crow]

uses XII
don’t have to worry about ammo
😭

[hollow ibex]

you realize recon is one of the strongest guns in the game rn lol

[noble epoch]

It’s shortened and black

[crude star]

actually, i tihnk i've had this issue on psyker too, where some buffs are clearly active but not showing... maybe i should get a ui mod

[sudden cedar]

You should always worry about ammo.

[noble epoch]

Worth it

[normal bay]

Oops, it was the achyls with no cleave, my bad

[noble epoch]

Trust

[slow spade]

na it needs buff trust me c:

[sudden cedar]

Yes. Achlys Combat Axe. Try it. You will be disappointed.

[unreal nova]

You are better off getting anything else.

[maiden wasp]

Bait used to be believable.

[noble epoch]

We got selectively bred plasma guns

[formal hamlet]

Recon lasgun feels so good to just hipfire at faces and hordes and...well everything to be honest.

[unreal nova]

I used the funny things to get the noble knoife.

[sudden cedar]

You don't want to fire into Hordes.

[slow spade]

Recon is the reason why all DoTs have stack caps now 😔

[sudden cedar]

Mag-dumping hordes is a waste of ammunition.

[steady prism]

Antax is another beast.. that is a horde headshot machine.. one of the few with actual damage when trying to kill enemies of any size.. I can transition from horde clear to dropping the axe on a Crusher head easily

[formal hamlet]

It's not a waste if it feels good.

Aim head level and sweep left to right BRRRRRRT.

[slow spade]

want to build melee stacks on Weapon Specialist -> but using ammo on hordes is a waste

the Weapon Specialist pain

[sudden cedar]

Still a waste of ammunition.

[hollow ibex]

but decapitating poxxers feels even better

[unreal nova]

So instead of longer and thinner, you get shorter and stubbier?

[noble epoch]

Yep

[sudden cedar]

The God-Emperor has given you a melee weapon. Use it!

[maiden wasp]

Return to 99 bleed

[normal bay]

Shoot the hordes anyway because fuck it, we ball

The God-emporer has placed ammo all over the mission map, be a shame to waste it

[strange crow]

Rashad if it was less cool

[unreal nova]

Just shoot one thing ded. I bistol random stuff, they blow up, I stabbystabstab the rest.

[steady prism]

I suppose you could. What I do knowing every freaking Random match is going to have Ammo Dumpers.. I will only ever shoot ranged units and elites. Crushers and whatever the Axe thing is with Flak armor (always forget the name).. they get the Axe too

[sudden cedar]

Ragers perhaps?

[normal bay]

Or a Mauler

[unreal nova]

Survivalist.

[formal hamlet]

Okay queued for damnation again, I hope this other Veteran is good because he's running a Helbore with exec stance so he's either gonna keep dying or be godlike.

[unreal nova]

Be self sufficient.

'Nade regen, free 'nades.

[steady prism]

oh Mauler yes.. Ragers I two tap with my XII even in higher difficulties

[strange crow]

Bro is using the recon XII and then talking abt “ammo dumpers” lol

[unreal nova]

[steady prism]

Its not a recon lol.. its a Las Gun

[strange crow]

Ohhh ok lol

[unreal nova]

WDYM. I have that kinda build to magdump bosses.

Are you telling me to not magdump a pogryn's face?

[grand perch]

infantry las doesnt have mark XII tho

[steady prism]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/infantry-lasgun/kantrael-mk-ix-infantry-lasgun Oh sorry I got their numberings mixed up. That is on me

[grand perch]

yeah what used to be mark 12

[strange crow]

I thought VIc was just straight better rn though?

[strange crow]

Nah it’s not your fault they changed the numberings a while ago it used to be the XII

[unreal nova]

No, XII is best but rip ammo.

VLC better for ammo.

[strange crow]

Wait oh I mixed them up my b

[steady prism]

Oh then that is why I remember it.. I have been with Darktide a long time but my memory is never the best in general

[hollow ibex]

VIc is better yeah

esp for the seats

[unreal nova]

The brown one has cleave.

[hollow ibex]

sweats

[strange crow]

Thought u were talking abt XIV

[hollow ibex]

XII is mostly for brrrt memes

[strange crow]

Wait nvm I wasn’t mixing them up

[unreal nova]

Yes, but best for magdumping bosses.

[steady prism]

well whatever the one is with the weird Cathedral looking Reflex sight and flash light is what I use.. have for a long time

[unreal nova]

VIc works as well since I did try with both.

[maiden wasp]

Recon can make a small go for like 2/3 of the map with the right setup. What are you smoking?

[unreal nova]

VIc is a little slower but compensates for being able to pick off other things properly.

Instead of having to basically magdump every special.

[vapid thunder]

the people you meet on the mourningstar

[hollow ibex]

i just tested and VIc is a bit better

not by a lot

[grand perch]

looks like a Grindr profile

mourningrindr

[unreal nova]

No clue, I just shot at bosses near point blank.

[hollow ibex]

i just compared dps results from magdumping a chaos spawn

[unreal nova]

Generally boss ded faster on blue for me.

[hollow ibex]

VIc has about 100 dps higher

[steady prism]

I suppose you could do it but it wouldnt be for me. I am too use to the stun rate on my Las. I know people frown upon it at times but.. I learned the best way to deal with Dogs (and other things) is to run Falter. I enjoy pressing the trigger once and watching a dog get staggered in to a corner

[hollow ibex]

which doesn't really matter, but it's still a bit higher, and VIc is also the better gun in normal usage (not mag dumping bosses)

[unreal nova]

Might depend on the build. But still, for pure magdumping bosses, XII is better. VIc is better all rounder and the brown is just why?

[hollow ibex]

nah

VIc is just better

[unreal nova]

2x ammo for a cleave that doesn't do anything in higher havocs.

[vapid thunder]

xii has 180 ammo so is automatically more fun

[unreal nova]

Unless you shoot hordes, cleave generally is meh. Plasma gets away with having 100 cleave.

[hollow ibex]

i like going fast

xii doesn't let you go fast

[unreal nova]

Wot. I thought it was just slower pullout and reload?

[hollow ibex]

it slows you down while you're mag dumping

it's actually very annoying

[unreal nova]

Don't you ADS on either?

[formal hamlet]

Okay, we cleared the mission and everyone got out alive.

[hollow ibex]

i don't ADS too often playing recon

[formal hamlet]

But I hate that other Vet because he shot a pox explodey guy right next to my face when I was shoving it.

[unreal nova]

It just helps me "aim".

[formal hamlet]

Recon hipfire is great. I find myself doing it more than ADS too.

[unreal nova]

Is how brain works.

Stop making me do snipe duty otherwise reeeeeeeeeeee

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean it's not like ADSing is a bad thing

[unreal nova]

I wanna stab hordes fast fast as they bleed more and more.

[normal bay]

You get used to it 🚬

[formal hamlet]

At the end of the mission he said "did they make Damnation easier? That was easy." No we just had a very solid Ogryn player doing some carrying.

[normal bay]

In fairness, you would be surprised how quickly you can appear on someone's screen when they're about to shoot

[formal hamlet]

Oh no I've done it myself too.

You're just locked in.

Realise there's a teammate nearby after you clicked.

[wild stratus]

The VIc has more cleave?

[formal hamlet]

Still hate it when it happens to me though.

Okay one upside of damnation is when we get out alive I get a gold gun.

What's dump stat on heavy sword? Defences?

[normal bay]

Yes

[vapid thunder]

what mission is the best for the on overwatch penance

[formal hamlet]

Man what is it with me and not hearing dogs.

Everything's fine, I got it under control, dog leaps at me and I had no idea there was a dog lurking anywhere.

[hollow ibex]

if you're on PC you can use the cheat mods

[hollow ibex]

prob hab dreyko

there's a bit overwatch, righ at the start of the mission

[formal hamlet]

Honestly this game's modding is some of the nuttiest I've seen.

[hollow ibex]

wait

on overwatch nvm

was thinking of long bomb