veteran-class

[quick seal]

it literally does nothing..?

[hollow ibex]

yeah on bolter it might matter for bulwark opening

or pinning fire

[tall torrent]

doesn't change minor or major stagger breakpoints

so u might as well run faster

[quick seal]

egad

[hollow ibex]

does this guy dump reload speed on revolver too?

dumping reload speed on bistol is certainly a choice

[quick seal]

idk I'm watching the guide for it (https://youtu.be/NVxGQRau7-4?si=uRau0Ek4PeYBg4LC) and I have yet to get to the part in the video where he talks about his dump stat choice for his firearm

if you're familiar with a grenade tinkerer + lethal proximity build, maybe you have an idea that I do not about why he chose to dump reload speed

[gritty mural]

4th keystone grenade build is all you need

[hollow ibex]

yeah i get that he's running bistol for nadier build, but dumping reload speed still makes no sense

esp in havoc

[hollow ibex]

where all your breakpoints (which are already ass on bistol) go even further to shit

so you're just going to be reloading even more lol

on a gun that already needs to be constantly reloaded

it's interesting how probably mechanically skilled (never seen his videos) players run suboptimal builds/weapons unintentionally lol

[quick seal]

do you have any opinions on the way the combat knife is built?

OK i'm reading the Hammer of the Emperor, this one tells me that mobility is the dump stat

[steady prism]

Like I said in the other chat.. people give me a funny look for running the Aatrox Axe I think it is called? And my XII Las Gun. its not funny when I am dropping Ragers in 2 hits (most of the time). I also have the ammo capacity to shoot at the non elite ranged units. I leave the Armored stuff like Crushers to the Zealots who are way too eager to smash. It works

[bleak cradle]

One of top reddit posts now still saying dmg is dump stat on knife

[hollow ibex]

well neither are meta weapons

[unreal nova]

I can show you. I have both a mobility dump and a collateral dump.

[unreal nova]

I also showed my 'nadier build earlier here.

[quick seal]

I just crafted a collateral dump

what breakpoints does 15% collateral hit? 😆

[unreal nova]

This.

[formal hamlet]

So the guy behind me knows.

[unreal nova]

Why are you not just maxing it out anyway?

[quick seal]

hehe I just crafted it

haven't gotten around to maxing it yet

[quick seal]

what are your thoughts on dump stat on combat knife?

[unreal nova]

Knoife is flak maniac or flak cara (this is me showing my absolute hate for crushers.) Use uncanny and whatever you feel like.

[unreal nova]

Mobility dump.

[quick seal]

oh ahh

mobility is good, though?
Or is it that the combat knife is so good at being mobile, that you can afford to sacrifice the mobility down to 60%

[unreal nova]

It's mobile enough at 60%.

[quick seal]

alrighty

[unreal nova]

You don't need 80% unless you are a speedrunning Zealot who plans to never attack anything and just GASGASGAS.

[quick seal]

Ahh ok

[unreal nova]

Oh and Bistol is lethal prox and puncture.

If you plan to be a 'nadier, never not take lethal prox.

Puncture just helps with Bistol's dooky breakpoints.

You can take twinned as well, but I dropped it for born leader since no luck queen.

[tame lodge]

Mobility is overrated anyways

Low mobility weapons gang

[unreal nova]

Btw, Path will reeeeeeeeeeee about my build failing breakpoints, you have been warned. XD

[formal ice]

Dude

Mobility is the dump

Its far away from being overrated

[tame lodge]

proceeds to spam knife heavies

[unreal nova]

while sprinting.

[quick seal]

I have to kill enemies from furhter than 30 meters away. What am I doing wrong? I marked where the targets I intend to shoot are (32 meters away). And then I get a couple of kills but my counter doesn't go up (it stays at 87/100).

[modest ingot]

game being ass

[unreal nova]

You aren't far enough for it to the server, I assume.

[lapis osprey]

any suggestions on what to change for havoc 40? kinda struggling

Its a tac axe double barrel build

[hollow ibex]

try PS instead

[faint beacon]

Flak + Unarmored mainly cause it’s helping with Horde BPs

Obviously the extra damage from Deci HT is what youll use against elites

[grand perch]

It doesn't affect bleed damage so why not dump it herpderp

[faint beacon]

Do not feed misinformation……..

Smh…..

[grand perch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/YpyK2IeOMM

[lapis osprey]

okay i'll try it

[grand perch]

I just spread this

[lapis osprey]

on the tac axe only right?

[faint beacon]

Rodin Truth nuke image

[hollow ibex]

not entirely wrong, but i don't like the attitude

[faint beacon]

I mean a lot of perks change depending on what you’re going for but yeah for Taxe

Also found Mk4 of all things to be the most effective

[lapis osprey]

aight trying it in havoc rn

[grand perch]

damn he figured me out

i want no one to clear 40

[faint beacon]

Damn

They found me out

And not like I just think

Plasma is ungodly fucking boring

And think M2 should be a lot more interactive and fun

[split grove]

so if plasma is being nerfed what's my new ungabunga vet havoc 40 gun

recon lassy?

[weak lark]

DB shotgun

[split grove]

u mean after they buff it?

[weak lark]

Swear to god, thought it’d be awful until I started using it

That things badass right now even

[grand perch]

the whole thing is based on unfinished testing drafts

[unreal nova]

All it needs is a very specific build.

[grand perch]

i wish everyone would calm tf down until there's final change notes

[unreal nova]

Well, DB just needed a very specific build to be good.

It's kinda a thing NOW.

[split grove]

i'm just learning other options

cos u know, ds4 and plasma all havoc runs

i'm fall asleep

whats the best taceaxe and combos

[crude star]

the infantry/helbore lasguns should get their stamina stats buffed up

like.. their speed and sprint and cost a nd stuff

[weak lark]

Even without perks or nothing I’m still getting like 1200 damage from a braced DB shot

[split grove]

what does the [] mean

u sp1 l3 to get into infinite loop of l1 h2 l3?

[grand perch]

yep

[split grove]

k, time to learn tacaxe

VII is best right

[grand perch]

its my favorite but people like 2 as well

for h40 you probably want to replace headtaker with decimator for the extra damage and focus on keeping those stacks

[split grove]

ok

[crude star]

how is laspistol on vet actually

[hollow ibex]

good

[split grove]

can tacaxe deal with carapace decently?

i'm tryna run lasgun + tacaxe

[crude star]

maybe i'll do ps + laspistol.. go full captain

[split grove]

i'm hungry for onslaught

but if tacaxe can deal with cara i think i'll live?

[grand perch]

its...complicated

[crude star]

it'll be getting buffed at that soon at least

[split grove]

all good

if it can deal with cara later it doesnt make a diff to me

can always rely on my teammates to clear it anyway

my h40s are usually chill

i just shoot the glowing things in the back

ok but h40 survivalist or save some points with fire team

lasgun xvii

[quick seal]

Hurts my finger to spam left click

[split grove]

so true...

[hollow ibex]

laspis without full auto mod is brutal lol

[void dragon]

question: when the patch drops, will the Taxe overtake the combat axe as best axe?

[quick seal]

I don’t even want to play havoc because everyone is elitest

[split grove]

i'm learning it to prepare for it lol

[void dragon]

its the nature of hard games, they brew some boneheads on the folks, but i hold hope that they are just having fun and not real jerks

[quick seal]

I hope so too

[unreal nova]

It's gonna be Oggy and Arbites only now.

[quick seal]

Yeah I could’ve seen it a mile away. I hate the whole constantly-regenerate toughness meta thing. Well, hates a strong word. Maybe it’s jealousy, envy. Veterans also deserve to constantly regenerate toughness for doing nothing. Well, never mind the toughness thing. Veterans deserve berets. That shouldn’t just be an ogryn thing. And we deserve fur collars and capes too! They’re having too much fun without us.

[split grove]

my havoc runs are always 1 of each class

[unreal nova]

We have temu ver of it.

Just don't get hit. it's EASY.

/sarcasm

[quick seal]

haha yeah lol

[unreal nova]

I still don't know how blind Fatshark can be to not see why people would be angry.

I guess having a perma flamer in your face does blind you.

[frank ledge]

The humble VoC:

[crude star]

the left clicking doesn't seem so bad

[unreal nova]

Yes, but that's on a CD.

[frank ledge]

The humble veteran CD:

[unreal nova]

Bloody Arbites just needs doggo in coherency range.

[unreal nova]

That still require specialist kills.

[frank ledge]

Headshots*

Headshot season!

[unreal nova]

Is specialist kills.

[frank ledge]

No wrong one

Brain went off

nvm

Yes specialist, and?

[unreal nova]

Still more work than..

Stand next to dog.

[crude star]

i mean, it IS yellow toughness though

[unreal nova]

Well, not even next.

[frank ledge]

Doggo cohereny as seen in the vids is lost quite often when it goes pounce poxers due to targeting

Worse if you have it on gunner duty

Yellow toughness, cc

[crude star]

i don't think veteran's issue is its toughness tbh...

[unreal nova]

Is more, you need to invest EVERYTHING to BARELY hit breakpoints.

other classes?

LUL.

[frank ledge]

Yep

[unreal nova]

Oggy needs nothing but a build Heavy Stubber to 1 tap.

[crude star]

yeah, it needs.. better sources/more reliable damage

[frank ledge]

Well that and voC just been king and everything else considered trolling

And some horrible tax nodes

[hollow ibex]

i only troll on vet

i never take voc

[unreal nova]

YOu do objectives, yes?

[hollow ibex]

yeah ofc

[frank ledge]

infiltrate gang

[crude star]

does ghost trigger duck and dive

[unreal nova]

How is that trolling then?

[hollow ibex]

i'm just memeing in response to bigj

[frank ledge]

And I'm clowning on your average havoc puber

Hurr Durr kick vet switched to infiltrate

[unreal nova]

You could have meta... but if you suck... you potato 2x in 5 secs.

And die before even 1 min.

[split grove]

for tacaxe do i need a stamina curio

[frank ledge]

It's more about people not understanding how powerful stealth is

And wanting to be carried

Noooo I don't wanna work a bit more, you will always run what this youtuber said!!

[unreal nova]

I just make everyone reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee at my builds.

It's always lacking in some way.

[frank ledge]

Switching last second in havoc

[unreal nova]

Doesn't matter.

They are all like that.

[trim steppe]

Down to 5 digits for Poxbreaker

[rancid egret]

Excellent work, almost there.

[frank ledge]

Omni shovel man

[trim steppe]

Now I wanna hear JK Simmons scream the vet voicelines

[grand perch]

he wants pictures of wolferman

[solemn niche]

aren't you supposed to hear a swoosh sound when somebody is about to light you up ? https://streamable.com/m7avpa

[narrow frost]

Was someone behind you?

Could be 2 things

1: audio channels were full

2: they were aiming at teammate behind you and you don't get audio for that

[open ravine]

Yeah gunners are in a forever battle of either broken op or non issue

Never are they just balanced

[frank ledge]

I think they are balanced

Priority threat if you can't slide

[grand perch]

lore accurate Garrus vs the gunship moment

[stiff glacier]

garrus accends to godhood

[tacit sonnet]

aren't you supposed to get that sound only when shot from behind?

[grand perch]

[grand perch]

i just reminded myself attilan reigments exist, and now i want their armor in game

[steep flower]

https://streamable.com/ysa6ix

Ain't nobody gonna tell me vet ain't shit

[whole blade]

How is this for a melee vet? I like the infiltrate for the minus 90 threat. any advice welcome

[raw vessel]

I made a Vet build that's meant to give a psuedo Arbitrator experience.

[steep flower]

i would consider taking overwatch (+1 charge but longer cooldown on your invis)

other than that nice

[whole blade]

why if you dont mind me asking

[steep flower]

Quite obvious; you use one time your invis then you have another just in case; its the same situation with Fury of the Faithful augment for zealot; everyone takes that

[whole blade]

im not a fan of the cooldown

[civic apex]

Might be worth trying double barrel weapon specialist melee vet

[grand perch]

double invis charge is a matter of preference imo

[steep flower]

You have tactical awareness bruv; 6 sec off cooldown + you wont be spamming invis

[grand perch]

the greater CD can absolutely screw you over easily still

[steep flower]

remember to always be prepared

[whole blade]

I have tried it. its trash. wait till the shotty rework

[steep flower]

thats why you ration it

[whole blade]

why wouldnt I just use the super defensive one with minus cooldown

[civic apex]

It’s not bad, unless you are running maybe 3 person havoc 40s, but I haven’t tried that yet

[steep flower]

cause in a pinch you can go invis for 16 seconds and that is enough to do ANYTHING in this game

[whole blade]

maybe its a skill issue on my part but the DB has absolutely no range

[civic apex]

It doesn’t have any range

[whole blade]

yeah its dogshit

[steep flower]

• once you revive someone for example your invis ends and if you're rescuing your entire team you can rescue 2 instead of 1 safely

[steep flower]

the only redeeming thing for range for DB is flechette but you need a crit for that

[civic apex]

It does need a buff but it can be used

[civic apex]

Weapon specialist helps with that

Ofc, use whatevs. I just found it quite fun

Some people get mad for me not running plasma, and others get mad at me for running it so idk lol

Same w/ ds and shredder frags

[fossil lake]

I just think double-barrel is fun

[whole blade]

oh im not hating on your choice

just i cant use it for whatever reeason

[timid quail]

This keystone is so bad it made me burn out of vet doing the penance

Actual penance

[fossil lake]

mortis trial at least makes it not nightmarish

only took like 5 or 6 runs of grind

[normal bay]

I have to get used to playing normally again after it

No need to be crouched half the game

[fossil lake]

I think zealot stealth and loner were actually more painful for me just because they took longer

[unreal nova]

More annoying to do with the backstab bs.

The infiltrate one is just use it in melee and stacks.

[steep flower]

Takes practice & understanding of the weapon

[steep flower]

Loner penance is dogwater

[grand perch]

that one might be among the worst design wise

[formal hamlet]

How should I work my way up difficulty? I've been trying to do Heresy yesterday as my bare minimum and I'm happy to say I cleared it with all my Veteran builds. No failed runs except one where everyone besides me was like LV14-16, we wiped super early too. When do I try aulric and aulric maelstrom mission?

[atomic void]

move up when u think the current diff is easy to clear

that's what i did

[formal hamlet]

Also need help choosing between Armorbane, Falter, and HotShot for my Helbore Lasgun. Hotshot's cleave I'm guessing doesn't let me kill carapace armoured enemies faster, just makes the bullet go through the target and hit others I'm guessing? Falter's stagger might be handy for buying time against said carapace enemies. Armourbane adds brittleness which sounds like the closest to giving my Helbore more anti-armour, I wonder how many shots it will take with that one.

[grand perch]

go with surgical + weight of fire on helbore for starters

surgical is basically a must pick, weight of fire makes you able to take multiple targets on quicker one after the other

[formal hamlet]

I already have Surgical and WoF, I'm looking to replace my WoF with one of those other options.

I like using the mark V Helbore, where charge times are pretty quick as is, so I was recommended to use something else in place of WoF if I'm sticking to that mark.

[grand perch]

its been a while since i used that one. i dont think falter gives any new notable stagger breakpoints. hotshot is ok but you basically take that for extra cleave on your melee. id say try armourbane for now

[formal hamlet]

Alright. I'm in training area and just noticed my light variant wasn't getting single hit headshots on a buncha enemies, I thought maybe that's why most people don't use this version, switched to the medium and it's the same.

Maybe I'm remembering the time I used to run exec stance with this gun so I'd pop that and just one tap basically everything with the charge shot.

I did remove Deadshot yesterday, maybe that's why.

[grand perch]

deadshot's not really much of a boon, you already have surgical

[formal hamlet]

Probably why I removed it. I just tested, still takes the same amount of shots anyway.

The heavy variant of the Helbore seems to make a difference though, definitely less shots.

I just hate the melee on this variant.

Weirdly light/medium seem to take about the same on targets.

Which can't be right, or maybe it's just the same on diff 4 but the gap widens on higher diff.

Does Kill Zone help much?

[steep flower]

Nah its the targeting issue on helbore & vigilant; takes practice

[formal hamlet]

How do you mean?

[steep flower]

It has some hitbox registration issue that will be adressed in the future patch

[formal hamlet]

How long has it had this? I've been using Helbore as my main weapon since game came out.

[steep flower]

Mk V lacks dmg alot sadly but its fast, Mk IIIa is the best forcwhat helbores bring to the table; only enemy it is not really good againts is crushers & bosses to a degree (helbores were not reeally ment to deal with those enemies to begin with)

[formal hamlet]

Weirdly, if I shoot Ogryn gunner at the top part of his head, it doesn't one shot. If I aim where he mouth is, he does in one shot. You mean that?

[steep flower]

Always has been (maybe)

[steep flower]

Did you missed or hit?

[grand perch]

a video would be helpful

[formal hamlet]

Yeah lemme clip it, one sec.

Nah it's inconsistent. It's almost like there's some RNG where my shots randomly crit when aiming for the head so sometimes it one-shots and sometimes it doesn't...

[steep flower]

Its surgical/not fully charged shot

No other reason

[formal hamlet]

Definitely charging the shots, I'm even giving them extra breathing room on charges to make sure.

I do have surgical though.

Oh, I see, it increases my crit chance the longer I ADS.

Forgot about that.

[steep flower]

Yeah wait till you get 10 stacks

[steep flower]

Ogrynbrained

[formal hamlet]

Let me see if holding ADS for a while will let me one tap stuff I need dead fast.

I just woke up I'm definitely fully ogryn brain right now.

Matter of fact let me put the kettle on and get some coffee.

Right, got coffee. Also, nice, for once I can actually make use of the little skill icons below my screen to see my stacks going up when I ADS, handy.

Two shots to a crusher's head with full charge.

Max stacks.

[steep flower]

You can get used to the charge speed on Mk IIIa so it does not require WoF; use Falter - it has nice stagger breakpoints & the dmg of the mark is substantial in conparrison to Mk V

[formal hamlet]

Probably not ideal though.

[steep flower]

Damnation difficulty? Which mark?

[formal hamlet]

Stagger as in they buckle, right? So the idea is I can kill more carapace enemies before they get in my face?

Oh, where can I check?

I'll leave and re-enter and make sure it's Damnation.

[steep flower]

Helbore ain’t a weapon to deal with carapace my friend; only mark for that is Mk IV and its slow & has bad timer between shots which cannot be bypassed by WoF (also WoF is like mandatory on it too)

[formal hamlet]

What's the stagger for in that case? It's mainly carapace and bosses that I struggle against with the gun.

[steep flower]

Not to mention you need to have specific buffs & build for it

[steep flower]

Thats for Mk IIIa

[formal hamlet]

Must have been Heresy because now on Damnation it took 3 shots fully charged with max stacks.

[formal hamlet]

I am not awake enough to know what this is telling me exactly.

[steep flower]

Wake up faster

[steep flower]

Take your time; remember; reading is a SKILL

[formal hamlet]

Which part am I looking for here?

It's not so much the reading, it's the lingo and context I'm lost on. Major stagger breakpoint for example, blank on quick shot, but lists enemies on charged shot. So I assume those enemies stagger when I hit them with a fully charged shot. Is that what I'm meant to be looking at?

[sleek garden]

it can't stagger heavies

whats listed in those boxes are the important enemies you can stagger

with falter on a helbore the heaviest enemy you can stagger is a reaper

[formal hamlet]

Hm, which one's the reaper again?

[severe jolt]

ogryn with a machinegun

[sleek garden]

big ogryn with the machine gun

[formal hamlet]

Ah, so that's what they're called.

[sleek garden]

he says here we goo

[formal hamlet]

I'm kinda on the fence about stagger since the biggest reason I miss a headshot on my Helbore is because someone else staggered him just as I pulled the trigger.

[sleek garden]

you won't be staggering crushers or maulers with helbore headshots

it says with falter you stagger bombers but like

a headshot to a bmber with a helbore should vaporize him

[formal hamlet]

Does exec stance help a lot with reaching damage breakpoints so I can one-shot a lot more things?

It has damage and weakspot damage, but I'm guessing since there's nothing there about armour, it's probably still going to suck.

I should try to find someone playing the hardest content with Hellbore so I can make sure my idea on what I can do matches with what can actually be done.

[sonic kayak]

@grand perch

This is Mr. Helbore

He invented it in-universe

[open ravine]

Hopefully with the buff Monday it does

[formal hamlet]

I forget the details but all I remember from the buff is just faster weapon swap speed.

Which is welcome...

Is it getting a damage buff too?

[sonic kayak]

I think I know what you're on about

I think he has a Helbore on WS if I understood your intentions correctly

[formal hamlet]

Mine's on VoC.

Used to be on exec stance.

Made shooting with the Helbore more fun, but made staying alive harder.

[open ravine]

More cleave, slightly more damage and a larger projectile so you get more consistent hits

[formal hamlet]

Oh yeah I do remember them mentioning something about hits, I thought they were making the head hitbox larger or something.

Cleave means my round penetrates more enemies, right?

[sonic kayak]

In a casual sense, yes

The mechanic is a bit more convoluted but yes

[open ravine]

Yeah but but I think they just increasing it just enough to cleave a bit more of hordes and not any actual enemy

[formal hamlet]

Bit of a weird one to adjust, for me that falls into a "who even asked for this?" category.

[open ravine]

The hellbore should hopefully feel more aggressive after Monday

[sonic kayak]

Enemies have varying degrees of hit mass, with carapace enemies absorbing all of your cleave

[open ravine]

Also they are buffing the hellbore special

[sonic kayak]

The only exception to this would be something that specifies it ignores hit mass, like Perfect Strike on the Eviscerator

[open ravine]

Which is their melee attack

[open ravine]

Flak can be cleaved but carapace can't

[formal hamlet]

My inexperienced mind tells me the Helbore's main problem is for the effort it takes me to line up clean headshots, charge and hit (maybe multiple times depending on enemy), someone else could have done the same thing in half the time with half the effort by aiming centre mass with their plasma gun, revolver etc. I think weapon swap speed and more forgiving hitbox definitely helps in that regard, but dunno how much.

[sleek garden]

i think there is a blessing that allows cleaving t hrough carapace

oh someone said it already

[sleek garden]

helbore has more ammo

[open ravine]

Anything that says ignore hit mass

[formal hamlet]

Damn I would have thought they'd nerf the bayonet, I sometimes have runs where I don't even swap to my melee weapon since I can just stab everything so fast lol. To be fair I'm playing on diff 4.

[sleek garden]

and should be doing decent main body damage

[sonic kayak]

Infinite ammo, even

[formal hamlet]

True, I'm always going for heads to ammo may as well be infinte on it.

[sleek garden]

this is why i use exectuors stance with it

terrible sights

i will make the enemies glow

[formal hamlet]

Oh so it's not just me then.

[grand perch]

not quite

sunder gives carapace cleave

it has the buff keywords
ignore_armor_aborts_attack

nothing to do with hitmass

[sleek garden]

but im the only sunder user so it doesnt count

[open ravine]

I just can't get used to recon as I find the light version feels best but it really suffers against carapace

[formal hamlet]

I think the highlighting enemies is super handy for popping heads, helps me do my job better, plus since I was using the light variant it also let me one-tap enemies much more consistently.

[sleek garden]

you can put things on it to help

or

you can make your melee good against carapce

or you can do what i do

don't engage carapace

because your 3 teammates are all crusher killers

[open ravine]

What's a good anti armour on vet

[sleek garden]

power sword

shock maul if its one or two

[orchid hemlock]

Wait y'all shoot at carapace?

[sleek garden]

shovel does all right

[formal hamlet]

TIL while in training that it's faster to kill a crusher with my power sword using light attacks than heavy swings.

[sleek garden]

with certain effects

[sleek garden]

activate sword then push attack

this is yor strikedown attack and you should open a power sword chain against carapace with this

[formal hamlet]

I found this pretty finnicky, like when I activate and push attack it instantly runs out of juice after that one stab.

[orchid hemlock]

Dueling Sword 😈

[sleek garden]

it shouldnt be like that

you just need to chain faster

[formal hamlet]

Lemme test it again, I probably just need to get a feel for it since I'm not used to using push attacks.

[sleek garden]

combat axes are also okay

[open ravine]

Will be getting a mega nerf the update after Monday's update

[sleek garden]

it's a part of your kit that you should remember to use

[open ravine]

But that could actually be only in August or September as fatshark generally ghost in the month of June

[orchid hemlock]

Those nerfs are not confirmed, we have no idea yet what the nerfs will be

But I gotta remind everyone the best cara killer in the game 😈

[formal hamlet]

Okay so I'm doing it and definitely some weirdness happening. There are a few times where it does remain charged and it's great, but 90% of the time it runs out of charge after one stab, I'm definitely pressing the buttons wrong or something.

I do the charge, I block cancel it, and since I'm holding block anyway I initiate the stab.

If I charge, tap block, then hold block to push attack, sometimes it retains charge.

[open ravine]

The brain rot of nerf wanting people is pushing hard for a mega nerf to happen drowning out all reasonable talks, hell saw people even trying to get ogryn included in the mega nerfs

[tropic notch]

Power cycler 4

[tropic notch]

And 3

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I got max power cycler, is that the problem?

[tropic notch]

Narp

[sleek garden]

(unoptimized sword) but it should look like this

[tropic notch]

Are you using the mk6?

[sleek garden]

if you're trying to chain push attacks one after the other it wont work

[formal hamlet]

I am yeah.

[open ravine]

Hopefully one day veteran players can convince fatshark to give us the relic sword mechanic instead

[sonic kayak]

We had better than that, once

7 energized, uninterruptible swings

[open ravine]

I remember then zealot players got salty and it was nerfed into the grave and only somewhat revived

[sonic kayak]

[open ravine]

Zealot players used to propaganda hard for vet equipment to be nerfed

But the thunder hammer just nuking bosses on sight was cool

[sonic kayak]

The tradeoff for it is the clunkiness, the PSword can do everything good including bake you a pie

[formal hamlet]

Here's the best way I've found. Charge, tap block, then release and hold block and attack for stab, then two light slashes seems to basically kill it in 3 strikes? It seems the trick to keeping the charge is to not push block for my initial block cancel.

[sonic kayak]

That is the push attack

That is the correct combo

[formal hamlet]

Yeah the stab.

It wasn't working earlier because I'd lose charge after the stab.

Because I was using my block cancel for the charge to initiate the push attack, it was doing something weird.

[tropic notch]

It should be just push attack , light

[tropic notch]

Yeah that’s it lol

[sonic kayak]

You don't need to push to cancel, you can just hold block and release

[sleek garden]

lol the mk4 helbore you dont even need to charge to one shot a scab gunner

but you need to in order to one shot a dreg gunner

the guy wearing armor is somehow easier to kill

[sonic kayak]

He's not barefoot so less in touch with Nurgle

[formal hamlet]

This needs some practice, I'm very inconsistent with it.

[sonic kayak]

But you're learning

[formal hamlet]

Ideally I wanna be able to do it like in the clip 100% of the time to kill these big mofos fast.

[sonic kayak]

Look how far you've gotten from yesterday

[formal hamlet]

Since there's normally like 6 of the bastards.

[sudden cedar]

100% of the time won't happen. You may always mess up sometimes.

And that is totally fine.

[formal hamlet]

Definitely feel like I'm a better player compared to a while back where I was struggling on diff 4, yesterday I didn't fail a single diff 4 mission which was nice.

[sudden cedar]

If you make it out alive and the enemy is dead, that's good enough for that moment.

[formal hamlet]

I have a fighting game mindset, we lab until we can get it 100% of the time, even though we know sometimes we will drop the combo.

[sudden cedar]

Strive to be as good as you can, not 100%.

[formal hamlet]

Practice combo 10 times in a row on left side, 10 times in a row on right side, if you drop start from 0 again.

[sonic kayak]

Remember, it's all in the name: Darktide, the horde ebbs and flows, you get the signs and the warnings but you can't always stand your ground against the impact

[sudden cedar]

No battle plan survives enemy contact

[sonic kayak]

Retreating or repositioning is not giving up

[formal hamlet]

I thought it was tide because I'm always drowning.

[sleek garden]

i wish the achlys was a crusher annihilator

[sonic kayak]

We all float down here

[sudden cedar]

I wish Achlys wouldn't suck so much.

[sleek garden]

even though im bringing shred i just dont proc crits

[sudden cedar]

On Veteran?

[formal hamlet]

Also thank you for reminding me about block cancel on PS charge, makes a big difference when I need a gap to get a charge, especially from shoves.

[sleek garden]

yeah

[formal hamlet]

How do you guys deal with the shield ogryns normally?

[sonic kayak]

Go fuck 'em up

[sudden cedar]

Zealot at least has guaranteed crits with every charge

Bulwarks are always tough enemies.

[sleek garden]

somehow shred is not proccing 6 swings in a row

[formal hamlet]

I have a hard time taking them down with various weapons when they're approaching with shield up.

[sonic kayak]

To quote a friend of mine: The Ultimate Lifeform

[sudden cedar]

Either you use DoTs (Damage over Time), some sort of crowd control, or you try to dodge one of their attacks and counterattack, when they are open

[formal hamlet]

Plasma gun doesn't seem to give a shit mostly.

[sudden cedar]

One of the Combat Shotgun Special Shells will stagger them through the Shield, i don't remember which one. Probably the Accatran

[formal hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/agl-cell-1st-form-ultimate-life-form-with-immense-power-cell-approaches-special-beam-cannon-absorption-gif-5334513689117279897

Do frags stagger them?

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-side-eye-shadow-generations-shadow-judging-gif-11953049552077413030

[formal hamlet]

Looks like yes.

[sudden cedar]

I don't know, but if you have Shredder Frags it will make them bleed.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah the shredder seems to get me a stagger.

Could use that to open a window for a shot.

[sonic kayak]

I think it's only if they explode behind them

[sudden cedar]

You can of course always use Kraks instead.

[formal hamlet]

So far what happens is, assuming someone else in the team isn't trying to nuke them; they approach me into melee range, then they put the shield aside to attack and that's when I try to get my shots in.

[sonic kayak]

Or bait them to attack, dodge to your left, and poke them in the eye

[formal hamlet]

Works from front too, testing it now.

[sudden cedar]

You may also shoot at their feet. It might work.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah this too, but I prefer to stick to ranged when I dodge because fuck me do these guys hit hard if they catch me.

These guys and the pox explodey boys wreck my health bar.

[sonic kayak]

Bulwarks have 2 attacks; the shield shove which drains your stamina, and the club smack which has a long windup but hits hard

[sudden cedar]

It would be better to get aquainted with melee combat sooner rather than later.

[formal hamlet]

How good is tracking on the club strike?

Can I get the bulwark in training to attack me so I can practice dodging and such?

[sudden cedar]

You can easily dodge it. Quite generous timeframe too.

[sonic kayak]

It's not a homing missile like the Crusher overhead but yeah, it's fairly generous

[formal hamlet]

Maybe I'm thinking of the crusher one.

I know one of those bastards keep hitting me when I think I dodged.

[sonic kayak]

Crusher winding up his overhead with your back turned? You're already dead

[sudden cedar]

Ah, the silent Crushers.

[sonic kayak]

The trick is to dodge at the last moment

[formal hamlet]

I get that with uh, dogs and trappers sometimes. Like there's so much audio happening I don't hear the dog or trapper.

[sonic kayak]

They can do it stationary and mobile

[sudden cedar]

And better dodge to the side and not back, since it has an AoE impact

[formal hamlet]

I definitely do reflexively dodge back a lot on that strike.

[sonic kayak]

I believe the overhead is triggered from a farther distance?

If you're hugging them then they do a swipe, punch, or kick

If you're within spitting distance then they do an overhead

Don't quote me on that

[sudden cedar]

When it comes to Pox Bursters.. there are a lot of different opinions and methods of dealing with them.

Some say always shoot them, even your characters will say that.

[sonic kayak]

Trauma staff pop

[sudden cedar]

Some prefer to shove them in melee, because it is safer.

The only real right answer here is, it depends.

[formal hamlet]

The problem is what my teammates are doing to deal with them.
"Ah pox burster next to my friend, I better shoot it since it's not like he'll shove it back or anything." mentality.

[sleek garden]

i shoot them when they're far

[sonic kayak]

Bursters also have a smaller AoE if shoved

[sudden cedar]

Yeah well, you mentioned Difficulty 4, so Heresy? That is just Heresy.

[sleek garden]

but people also have the mindset of i always need to push ppoxbursters

[sudden cedar]

People in Heresy do not seem.. the brightest.

[sonic kayak]

It really does depend on the situation

[sleek garden]

so you get some ridiculous moments where you're shooting a burster and a knife zealot clears 20 meters instantly to push the poxburster

[sudden cedar]

And getting fucked by your teammates is just part for the course, it will happen.

[formal hamlet]

Ironically I've been finding Heresy easier than Diff 3. I think because people queueing for Heresy have a bit more game sense.

[sudden cedar]

I do not think so, i think you got lucky.

[formal hamlet]

Could be.

[sudden cedar]

Heresy is where mistakes will start to punish you, hard.

Many people are not prepared for that and get overwhelmed.

[formal hamlet]

With bursters my go to has been, shoot if far away from team, push and dodge back if close to us, activate VoC if I have a feel he's about to explode near us to try and soften the blow.

[sudden cedar]

All good things.

[formal hamlet]

No idea if the last one helps, I just do it.

[sudden cedar]

If everything fails, yes it will help.

You may still take damage, just less.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah that option is normally for when there's a burster heading our way, but it's in my teammates lane so I'm trusting them to handle it while I've got my hands full, but just in case they don't handle it I don't want to lose 90% of my health bar lol.

[sudden cedar]

There is also the.. selfish option

[formal hamlet]

Pox bursters coming out of a door right next to us and instantly exploding feels borderline cheesy though.

[sudden cedar]

Of just retreating and letting someone else eat it for you.

[formal hamlet]

I have done this sometimes.

[sudden cedar]

Sometimes you just have to because those player can't be trusted

[hollow ibex]

lol there's this one map where this can happen

[sonic kayak]

All viable

[hollow ibex]

right as you heal

tbf there's usually plenty of warning, but it's def resulted in some pretty funny moments

[formal hamlet]

Like we hear the tick tock sound so we know it's coming through the door right next to us.

[sudden cedar]

@hollow ibex Please don't. It happens way more often than i would like to admit.

[formal hamlet]

But the fact that it dives in and explodes like instantly is wild.

[sudden cedar]

Well if you hear it, just go away.

[hollow ibex]

yeah if you're right next to the door

and the door opens

[sudden cedar]

If someone else does not and takes it to the face, so be it.

[hollow ibex]

you're just fucked

unless you have voc or something ofc

[formal hamlet]

Guess I need to get the hell away from that door.

[sudden cedar]

Correct.

[hollow ibex]

i usually kill them before they can exit

you can get them with AOE weapons or by smashing them

[formal hamlet]

With what, some sorta AOE?

[sudden cedar]

It can damage you through the door.

[hollow ibex]

when you're standing next to the wall

not in front of the door

[sudden cedar]

Right.

That does work.

[hollow ibex]

just be careful, if you're a few cm off, you're going to eat a lot of damage

[sonic kayak]

Plasma guns, bolters, Helbore can all puncture the door too

[hollow ibex]

yeah that too

[formal hamlet]

Sounds too risky for my bones.

I'll stick to getting the hell away from said door for now.

Sometimes easier said than done.

[sudden cedar]

Fair enough

[sonic kayak]

Usually they spawn offset from the door, then approach it and chill, the door will open, and then hug you

My favorite is when they're silent

[sudden cedar]

Happens

Unfortunately

[formal hamlet]

I watched a dog making no noise sprinting up to attack a teammate.

[sudden cedar]

There are also areas where game sound is buggy so you don't hear anything by.. default?

[sonic kayak]

The new consignment yard shower room remodel

You can't hear shit there

[sudden cedar]

Not just the shower

The room before the big stairs

[sonic kayak]

The walkway outside it too yeah

[sudden cedar]

Before the mid-event one room is also silent

[sonic kayak]

Fun times

[sudden cedar]

Very fun

[formal hamlet]

So after I get comfortable with Heresy it's Damnation next, right?

[hollow ibex]

you can prob move to damnation even before that

[sudden cedar]

Natural progression would say that yes.

[hollow ibex]

heresy's honestly harder than damnation

[sudden cedar]

I agree

The main difficulty modifier in Heresy are your squadmates

[formal hamlet]

Oh snap, really? I've been doing quite well in Heresy last night, it might be time to try Damnation.

[sudden cedar]

Who will try to sabotage you

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I only lost one match last night and that was squadmates who queued for Heresy while they were all LV15. Wiped almost instantly.

[sudden cedar]

Not because of Malice of course, they just play.

lvl does not really matter

From the perspective of an experienced player

[formal hamlet]

Considering how fast everyone was dying I can only assume they were low level because they were actually new.

[undone jungle]

My gf is brand new to the game and she found Auric easier than regular because the teammates stopped being a liability

[sudden cedar]

I could create a fresh character and perform leagues better than someone who is actually new who has more talents and probably better equipment

[sudden cedar]

That is correct

[formal hamlet]

I'll give Damnation a go today then, what's next after Damnation normally?

[sudden cedar]

Auric

[undone jungle]

Regular Damnation gets some really weird people sometimes too. People tried kicking her multiple times for being under lvl 30 for Regular Damnation and ended up playing way way worse than her

[sudden cedar]

Warped perspective

[formal hamlet]

This is why I lowkey liked the scoreboard mod I once had. If I see someone yapping mid-game, half the time they did the least in the match.

[undone jungle]

Damnation -> regular Twins (special assignments button) -> Auric -> Auric Maelstrom -> Twins hardmode -> Havoc
I'd reckon

[sudden cedar]

I am not a fan of the Scoreboard mod for such things

[undone jungle]

After years of playing this game I'm glad it's not vanilla

[sudden cedar]

Leave out the twins, that is not really something that is necessary

[undone jungle]

Yeah for sure. Although it is fun!

[formal hamlet]

I did the twins.

On Malice or Heresy.

[sudden cedar]

Probably, i never once finished that mission

[undone jungle]

Really?

[sudden cedar]

To this day, yes.

Never.

[undone jungle]

I had a lot of great times carrying ppl thru hard mode

Besides it let's you know what to expect on Havoc

Those bastard appear every Havoc mission

[formal hamlet]

Is Havoc the one with the officer lady? She said come back when you've completed an Auric mission or something.

[sudden cedar]

I guess?

Correct.

Commissar Dukane.

[undone jungle]

Yup. If you complete an Auric Maelstrom you can even skip ahead (I recommend doing it)

when you're ready ofc

[sudden cedar]

Yes, the Twins will show up in Havoc, but the Twins are not what Havoc is in its entirety.

[undone jungle]

I suppose XD they do end most runs from my experience

[sudden cedar]

More often than not, they will show up when you already struggle because of something else and mess you up

[open ravine]

Doing hardmode twins was an experience

[sudden cedar]

When they are alone, they aren't really much of a threat.

[midnight wyvern]

I've been having some silly teammates in Damnation that should definitely not be playing damnation

[formal hamlet]

So since Auric has a different name / category, and so does Havoc, what's changing in these two other modes compared to Damnation.

[undone jungle]

I think it'd be nice if the end of game scoreboard showed you your "place on the team" alongside what you personally did best just to avoid bullying others

[sudden cedar]

@formal hamlet Highter Intensity.

[undone jungle]

If you're 4th you can keep it to yourself etc

[open ravine]

Hardmode twins take you round the corner and do unthinkable thing to you

[sudden cedar]

And maybe enemies have more health or something? Don't know really.

[midnight wyvern]

I refer back to this

[open ravine]

Had to get an ogryn gang together to do it

[midnight wyvern]

what're they even doing

haha

[sudden cedar]

Nothing.

That is why you have to do everything.

[midnight wyvern]

its not even late joining and late tracking of their stats or anything, they were there from the start

[sudden cedar]

It is what it is.

[midnight wyvern]

how do you kill 8 total elites in your entire run

[sudden cedar]

Squadmates are just added difficulty modifiers.

Being oblivious and mag-dumping hordes maybe?

[midnight wyvern]

[brave acorn]

I wound up in a damnation game with a guy who couldn’t even aim his pistol smh

[midnight wyvern]

explains the lesser enemy kills perhaps?

[sonic kayak]

The only reason that I will help others doing it is for the music, nothing more

[formal hamlet]

Yeah it's a PvE game so I don't want the scoreboard to be competitive, but I also don't want it to give unnecessary "thanks for participating" awards. I like that it's a mod and not baked into vanilla because of this. I mainly used it to track my personal performance and see how well each build I'm using does. The data is just data at the end of the day so I think it comes down to how people want to use said data that becomes a problem.

[undone jungle]

For the most part Auric Damnation (also comes in Heresy flavors) has the same health and damage breakpoints of regular Damnation, but it's made far harder with unique map modifiers, massively increased elite and specialist frequency and scarcer resources.

Havoc actually does eventually scale to feature even higher enemy health and damage with an ever increasing pool of unique modifiers, including one that directly debuffs the players toughness and health stats.

[sudden cedar]

@sonic kayak I can listen to that myself since i have the soundtrack.

[formal hamlet]

Speaking of modifiers, there is one where the map has tons of green gas.

Fuck that one's annoying.

[undone jungle]

In addition you gain Havoc levels as you win each mission and lose Havoc levels after 3 consecutive losses. You get a massive chunk of plasteel and diamantine by the end of every week of playing Havoc too, set by your highest reached Havoc level that week.

[formal hamlet]

With randoms it's like a 50/50 wipe.

[sudden cedar]

Yeah, Tox Gas is annoying.

If at all possible, do not fight inside the gas.

[midnight wyvern]

oh that I did not know

the plasteel/diamantine

[sudden cedar]

Even if your Squadmates do.

[undone jungle]

It's actually quite advantageous if you can prepare as it massively increases healing stim spawn rates.

[sudden cedar]

The revive spots will always be safe zones

[midnight wyvern]

remember when it used to nuke framerate?

[sonic kayak]

That organ

[sudden cedar]

[undone jungle]

I make my noob friends play a little because you can often fully max out 2 weapons with just a single Havoc mission per week

[midnight wyvern]

what difficulty would that be at?

[formal hamlet]

Also seeing as I'm trying Damnation, also might be time I tried out the LFG on this discord, find some fellow EU people to run with.

[undone jungle]

Literally just playing one mission of Havoc 16 should get you something like 3.2k dia I'm spitballing

Which is the base level after finishing one Auric Maelstrom

[sudden cedar]

@formal hamlet Sure thing.

[undone jungle]

I'll play with you later

I'm eating dinner rn

[sudden cedar]

The Ogryn Box will nuke your frames.

[formal hamlet]

I don't remember that specifically, just that the game as a whole ran like shit.

[sudden cedar]

sorry Ogryns.

BIG BOX OF BOOM

[undone jungle]

That's why I love running it on that wave based gamemode

[midnight wyvern]

I wonder if I could LFG for australian bros here, I just don't like the big waiting for groups for havoc so I don't really run it very often

[formal hamlet]

Maybe it still does, I'm on a 5080 now so it doesn't feel so bad.

[sudden cedar]

Give me a break from Mortis Trials.

[sonic kayak]

Meanwhile I took my level 7 friend, first time player, into Auric Maelstrom (with 3 other friends who have already run the full gambit of the game's difficulty), and they actually held their own and only died 3 times

[sudden cedar]

Its just Ogryns spamming boxes or nukes.

[midnight wyvern]

I could aim to do auric mael in the meantime

not even that bad with some modifiers, just need the teammates to be less

[undone jungle]

Tbh this game is only GPU intensive to a point, hits RAM and CPU like a bitch at higher diffs when the screen is full of 180 poxwalkers

[sonic kayak]

I will do any maelstroms except the one with burster waves

I don't trust anyone with those

[undone jungle]

As an Ogryn main before it became cool they rlly gotta nerf box of hurt on it

[sudden cedar]

I for one, damn it, LOVE that modifier

Exspecially on Gloriana.

[undone jungle]

Inferno staff M1 spam goes brrr

[sonic kayak]

Zealot using his BrAuto for horde clear because they RP as a Veteran:

[midnight wyvern]

only other one i can think of is scab only for some of my builds

[sudden cedar]

The. Amount. Of. BARRELS on that map is..beyond compare.

[midnight wyvern]

the no ammo is oof

[hollow ibex]

gloriania opening is pretty safe as long as you stay to the right

[undone jungle]

In their defense Zealot can arguably use the agri brauto better than the average Vet build 😭

[hollow ibex]

but pubbies often don'ty do that

[sudden cedar]

Scab only is great because it forces you to either use your ammo efficiently, or learn how to melee

[sonic kayak]

Love me a CIVI

[hollow ibex]

or play psyker

[timid quail]

No risk no fun

[midnight wyvern]

blueberries:

[sonic kayak]

A Pimp Named Slickback has to get his bitches in line

(The entire 6th)

[sudden cedar]

@hollow ibex That is why it is so much fun. (its just fun to see people getting yeeted into the void)

[undone jungle]

I finally tried that build recently it's absurd

My thumb hurt from spamming my special attack button

[hollow ibex]

i find it fun when matches last more than 5 minutes

[sonic kayak]

I'm going to give you some eldritch level lore

[sudden cedar]

@leaden burrow Too bad that soundtrack does not play when twins spawn in Havoc. Or Disposal Unit for Captains

[sonic kayak]

You know Rending Trauma?

[undone jungle]

😹

[sonic kayak]

How crazy it goes with inferno or soulblazr trauma?

[undone jungle]

I used to use that so much

[undone jungle]

Ohh that's interesting, as in 1 person goes rend voidblast the other infernos?

[undone jungle]

Never tried it. My gf mains Infernos I guess imma need to build it

[timid quail]

I dont, I queue random mael

[sudden cedar]

Continue doing it, i would love to see some madness sometimes

always boring mission starts

[hollow ibex]

i mean i do too

i only play with randos

[sonic kayak]

Now, instead of Rending trauma, you are A Pimp Named Slickback, and instead of Inferno or soulblaze Trauma, it's A Pimp Named Tauntback

[hollow ibex]

never premades

[sonic kayak]

I'll let you fill in the details

[undone jungle]

I'm a little confused because I already play A Pimp Named Tauntback that Thunderous bleed is insane

[sonic kayak]

Hell you can ask BigSlappy in Ogryn chat, we've done it

[undone jungle]

Ohhh the flame DOT would get magnified by Thunderous too

[sonic kayak]

Ah, well, the idea is one is using Thunderous and the other is using CStrike

[undone jungle]

Ahh alright yeah I see it. I'll probably run my thunderous slickback with my gfs infernos. Maybe I'll get my chuddy friend to play flamer Zealot

Are there any other sources of DOT

[sudden cedar]

Bleeds

[undone jungle]

Slickback has that covered

[sudden cedar]

A Veteran with Shredders

[undone jungle]

I do have a friend that's a Vet main might as well use her before she permanently transitions to #arbites-class

[sudden cedar]

Faithless.

[sonic kayak]

For me, Arbites will replace Zealot if anything

[undone jungle]

Tbh I only use Zealot for chorus spam nowadays

[tropic notch]

Just wait till the rework

[sudden cedar]

Hopium.

[sonic kayak]

I use Zealot for the Chorus voicelines

[strange crow]

I mean having more than half a talent tree would be nice

[sudden cedar]

I use Zealot for Charge voicelines.

[tropic notch]

Zealot is already crazy with his one build

[sonic kayak]

Those are good too

[undone jungle]

Arbites with easily accessible extra ammo, grenade regen and massive ranged damage bonuses 😭

[sonic kayak]

PERISH YE!!

[sudden cedar]

SMITE THE HERETIC

[undone jungle]

and that one shotgun that has a Brittleness special oh my gos

Did yall see that fucking thing

[tropic notch]

Judge >

[undone jungle]

It like 3 shots Crushers

[sudden cedar]

Isn't that the special ammo?

[quick seal]

and arbites have a fur collar and drippy cape too 😭

[sonic kayak]

EMBRACE YOUR DOOM! COWER! AVAST YE BLACKGAURDS!

[sudden cedar]

That you only have 6 of?

[undone jungle]

You only need to shoot it once

Albeit yeah it's not exactly unlimited. Still really sick :D

[sleek garden]

just died because i pressed q to wield my sword

and nothing happened

i was going to parry so i just stared like 5 people in the face and died

so annoying

[undone jungle]

I'll probably still use Vet just because maxed out Shredders are goated

[sudden cedar]

[strange crow]

Devils claw user 🥀

💔

[sudden cedar]

Devils Claw

[sonic kayak]

I use VoC for the voicelines, nothing more

[undone jungle]

Praying that the DC buff is actually good

[tropic notch]

Dcalw is peak

[sleek garden]

im a claw user and abuser

i like slicing 5 heads off at once

[sudden cedar]

RALLYING FORMATION!!! RIGHT. FRAGGING. NOW!!

[sleek garden]

and not caring about ragers

[sonic kayak]

I'm excited for the Mk 7's stab attack being a proper fucking stab

[undone jungle]

Ever since I found out how absurd Lacerate knife with Serrated Blade was I have stopped fearing those underclothed little freaks

[sonic kayak]

I actually used to use Professional until I heard Cutthroat's lines, and then when they finally added the personality scourge, you know I swapped

[timid quail]

NO DYING TILL I SAY SO

[sudden cedar]

Ah yes. The whiney Cadian.

[sonic kayak]

Cutthroat could be in BF3

CLOSE. KILL. AND DO IT AGAIN!

[strange crow]

Loose cannon

[grand perch]

cutthroat mentioned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jxXPgZbfuo

[undone jungle]

Fem Loose Cannon

[tropic notch]

Loose cannon >

Male loose cannon >

[undone jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-handshake-predator-explosion-murphs33-gif-22372901

[sudden cedar]

HAMMER OF THE EMPEROR!!!

[sleek garden]

i just got grabbed by a chaos spawn and then a crusher overheaded me while i was being eaten

this game sometimes

[sudden cedar]

You got combo'd

[grand perch]

i once got grabbed by 2 mutants at the same time, dealing double damage

[sonic kayak]

Does your video have the conversation between Bully and Fem Cutthroat where Bully gets annoyed at mispronouncing compliment? That's a funny one

[grand perch]

its in that very video

[sleek garden]

i also had a dog jump through a chaos spawn, knocking me over, then a flamer pissed all over me while i was standing up, then a burst bombed me

[grand perch]

3:05 mark i think

[sleek garden]

i somehow survived that

[sudden cedar]

Bodyguard Ogryn mimicking a Pox Hound is adorable.

[sonic kayak]

[undone jungle]

I've been out of bounds while last man standing on Havoc earlier this week by a Chaos Spawn

[sonic kayak]

I'm still gonna watch the whole thing just because I respect the effort to edit and upload your content

[sudden cedar]

I've had a Havoc Mission end because everyone disconnected at the same time

And it was going so well

[grand perch]

in the carnival mission?

[undone jungle]

Average Darktide moment

[grand perch]

theres a spot after the first airlock where i had 2 havoc missions disconnect the entire team

[undone jungle]

@grand perch what's your opinion on the Tax changes

[grand perch]

much needed carapace adm

better movement profile

we eatin good soon

[dry cloak]

better movement

[undone jungle]

I'm kinda hype that the specials will do a ton more damage and the sprint while attacking

[dry cloak]

please reffer it

[grand perch]

review?

[undone jungle]

It was already pretty okay on Vet since all them finesse buffs

[sleek garden]

wtf

i did a sm64 backwards long jump up a flight of stairs

i went sailing through the air and into the void

i just tried to dodge slide backwards up some stairs

[undone jungle]

That's interesting

[formal hamlet]

Okay, died on my first Damnation attempt.

[sudden cedar]

@grand perch It was Power Matrix i think.

Happens

[undone jungle]

Don't worry pookie I'm like 50% done eating my dinner

[formal hamlet]

In my defence, it was on the train mission which I'm not too familiar with. I went out to kill some enemies and the doors shut behind me so I was cut off!

[sudden cedar]

Get back up and do it again.

[formal hamlet]

After that death I was actually rezzing like tons of teammates and it was going well but the train exploded when we had to fight the miniboss.

[undone jungle]

Ohhh unlucky. Yeah on Rolling Steel you gotta haul ass, it really punishes slow play

[sudden cedar]

You have been too slow

Rolling Steel is the only mission with a timer

[formal hamlet]

Oh and as soon as the doors shut behind me and I died, a teammate left the squad lol.

He was like "nah this guy's terrible I'm out".

[undone jungle]

Average Damnation moment unfortunately

[crude star]

train mission is so fun

[formal hamlet]

It was fun.

[sudden cedar]

Maybe you were, but are you as terrible as him for leaving?

[formal hamlet]

And honestly it didn't feel that much harder.

[sudden cedar]

No, because you fought it out.

[undone jungle]

The jump between Heresy and Damn isn't anywhere as big as Malice and Heresy

[formal hamlet]

I think using my stealth build helped a lot because I must have revived teammates like 6 times before we failed. Claoking for the rez was very clutch.

[sudden cedar]

Damnation is also easier because squadmates tend to be better

[grand perch]

remember pre-nerf. 0 time to screw around

[sleek garden]

im getting annoyed because i keep dying to jank

[undone jungle]

It was kinda hype I won't lie but with pubs it was dreadful

[sudden cedar]

@formal hamlet Just be aware that when you use Infiltrate, you drop all your aggro and dump it on someone else who might get fucked as a result

[formal hamlet]

Fuck'em.

[undone jungle]

Stealth can be good for that yeah, don't forget you can also secure revives by throwing a grenade at your downed friend -> starting the revive -> it explodes midway staggering enemies letting you finish it cleanly

[sudden cedar]

Until the surprise Mutant interrupts you

[formal hamlet]

I actually need to read my skills more often because I forgot what smoke does, and how my stealth works. Like I forgot stealth replenishes my toughness.

[hollow ibex]

smoke prevents shooters and gunners from targeting you

and some specialists and ranged bosses

[formal hamlet]

Handy while I'm stabbing melee guys with my knife!

[hollow ibex]

they'll run into the smoke and try to melee you

[undone jungle]

Smoke is very odd. I recommend reading what it does in this guide: #veteran-class message

Basically you wanna stand inside the smoke AOE for a passive buff rather than using it like you would in any other game

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I normally don't use smoke but someone said it's actually very good especially with thise knife/revolver build.

[sonic kayak]

Very cool thanks for the double post

[undone jungle]

Dw nobody but you sees it

[hollow ibex]

it's worse than frags outside of havoc imo

[undone jungle]

It's a common discord bug especially on mobile

[hollow ibex]

though they're still fun

[formal hamlet]

So smoke grenades suppress enemies.

[undone jungle]

They have their moments but it's very point intensive to make them worthwhile and they're practically just a worse Psyker bubble shield that obscures your vision

[sudden cedar]

They are better than a Psyker bubble

Psyker bubble may burst without warning and you get fucked

[hollow ibex]

eh sidegrade i'd say

[formal hamlet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f338552-171f-4831-b584-bc8fe508c04d/veteran-combat-knife

That's the build I'm running.

[undone jungle]

In some aspects yes. Psyker bubble can have over 100% uptime with Warp Siphon

[sudden cedar]

Also, both Smokes and Psyker Bubble encourage you to be lazy

[hollow ibex]

why dump damage tho...

[sudden cedar]

And careless

[tropic notch]

I’d do unyielding instead of Cara

[hollow ibex]

smoke requires some actual forethought

because it's not instant deploy

[formal hamlet]

Error when I was adding the knife stats, mobility is the dump.

[hollow ibex]

you will get fucked by a reaper if you're expecting smokes to just cover your ass

[sudden cedar]

True, they aren't as bad i'd say

[undone jungle]

Do you want some suggestions or opinions on what you could sidegrade into?

[hollow ibex]

ah ok ok

[tropic notch]

Where stamina node what da hell

[sudden cedar]

But bubble encourages you to just stay out in the open, where you can get shot

[formal hamlet]

I dunno what this means.

[tropic notch]

And where dbarrel

[formal hamlet]

People helped me make this build so assume I know nothing.

[hollow ibex]

prob means your knife perk

[sudden cedar]

Damage modifiers for your weapons

[formal hamlet]

Oh right the perk.

[tropic notch]

Knife perk unyielding instead of carapace

[undone jungle]

Yeah

[tropic notch]

Tbh I dropped mercy killer knife because I really like Catch a breath

[hollow ibex]

MK knife isn't worth on vet imo

[tropic notch]

And i get more damage

[undone jungle]

Mercy Killer is pretty good but I would recommend trying out Lacerate since it's very fun with buffed Serrated Blade, letting Mk3 blend hordes even on Havoc nowadays.

[formal hamlet]

I mean feedback to refine my builds is always welcome, especially big ones. If it's just nitpicking it probably won't make a big gameplay difference for me, but sidegrades may be worth knowing about just so I'm more well informed.

[tropic notch]

Vet has like 50 or 55 crit chance I’d just use ft

[hollow ibex]

don't get me wrong i love lacerate knife, but it's not good for havoc

with the cleave, you're hitting one guy at a time lmao

[formal hamlet]

I thought this was the "best" combo for perks and blessings or I was told this anyway, I think on knife blessings there's a lot of good ones so you kinda choose whichever?

[hollow ibex]

there's a lot of good blessings, but some of them are gooder than others

[tropic notch]

Kinda there’s a lot of good choices

[formal hamlet]

What's the goodest?

[sonic kayak]

"Best" would be Uncanny + Precog or Riposte

[undone jungle]

Really? I've seen it apply bleeds across a few Morbians at a time. Then again I mainly play premade and my group always has an Inferno staffer

[tropic notch]

Ft, precog, uncanny, riposte

[tropic notch]

3

At least on my zealot it was

[formal hamlet]

I'll swap the knife to this then. I think I have a bleed perk in my talent tree and that is synergising with mercy killer though, so what do I do with that?

[hollow ibex]

wait doesn't havoc have increased hitmass

[tropic notch]

21st may make that different tho

[hollow ibex]

21st you def get fucked

i tried that before

[tropic notch]

Yarp

[hollow ibex]

learned the hard way lol

[undone jungle]

I see

[sonic kayak]

21st

[hollow ibex]

i'd expect it to just fuck over mk3 lights in that case

because mk3 lights only have 3 cleave or something like that

[undone jungle]

I guess I'll just have to go back to Rashad or DS4 until it gets nerfed for Havoc Vet then

[tropic notch]

Knife isn’t the worst

[formal hamlet]

Who said they were jumping on for some Damnation after eating? I might pop to the shops for some snacks if there's time.

[sonic kayak]

Remember the event? Lots of people folded on the hordes because they were all armored?

[undone jungle]

Meee I'm eating

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build my personal vet build

[sudden cedar]

@sonic kayak Very fun, i threw myself into cold water trying out the Crusher

[formal hamlet]

Drop me a DM when you're good to go. I need to acquire some drinks for my Darktide grind today.

[tropic notch]

Feel free to replace ft on the knife with what ever

[fossil basalt]

what's the breakdown on the mark variants for Vigilant Autogun

[undone jungle]

This is pretty good. I usually always go for upgraded shredders nowadays though but besides that it's similar to what I run

[formal hamlet]

Someone yesterday said upgraded shredders doesn't do much.

[undone jungle]

They do a lot of work

[sudden cedar]

Agripinaa and Graia are good, Columnus.. not so much.

[formal hamlet]

At least my takeaway was: upgrade is good if running kraks, not so good if running frag.

[undone jungle]

Literally the opposite

Kraks upgraded only affect boss damage

[formal hamlet]

Oh, maybe I'm misremembering, a lot was said yesterday.

[tropic notch]

It doesn’t need it but it does help

[hollow ibex]

kraks are so ass

[sonic kayak]

Not that it's not good, it's just excessive on frags since they do so much already

[fossil basalt]

shredder frags OP

[sonic kayak]

Unless you're running a nade build

[tropic notch]

I like my nades to not have to be invested in to be good

Kraks you gotta

[undone jungle]

Upgrade on Smokes is very good. Arguably too good because the smoke duration gets doubled

[tropic notch]

Or hope you build uncanny

[undone jungle]

I'd rather it give a +50% duration boost and buff smokes default duration to 20s

[formal hamlet]

Nice, doubt my build has the upgrade.

[sharp epoch]

Good thing about taking kraks is its easy to path for upgraded ones

[sonic kayak]

When I bring smokes in Havoc, every once in a while I'll get a "Smokes? Seriously"

Then we get in a situation where smokes save us

[sudden cedar]

Smokes don't have such a.. let's say.. noticeable impact

[formal hamlet]

If I could spare 2 points somewhere I could get it, but probably not worth it, especially since I also don't have the grenade recharge talent.

[sudden cedar]

Because they don't damage anything

[undone jungle]

In their defense the game is awful at explaining how to use Smokes properly. Standing in a cloud of white phosphorus irl is definitely not the best way to use them and it's hardly the way people use them in counterstrike etc.

[sharp epoch]

Smokes are like a poor mans bubble shield pretty much

[formal hamlet]

My simplified understanding of smokes for now is I toss it into a big mess of enemies so I can have an easier time dealing with everything.

The smoke grenades make the meat less hard so I can cut it easier with my knife and fork.

[sonic kayak]

Well it's a good idea here because it gives the poxers Imperial lung cancer which cancels the Nurgle cancer

[undone jungle]

Yeah and that's hardly the best way to use them at all. You're just applying suppression with that and that's about it

[sharp epoch]

No no you want to stand in the smoke cause it make enemy more blind than you

[formal hamlet]

Oh, damn.

[sudden cedar]

@sonic kayak Remember, it is only bad if the enemy does it

[formal hamlet]

I do stand in the smoke, probably should have mentioned that.

[undone jungle]

This sounds like a joke but it's actually true

I've had an argument with a lvl 900 vet on this topic literally 3 days ago

Smokes make no sense

[sonic kayak]

Smoke shuts off shooters, dogs, and Trappers have to run all the way up to you to get you

[sharp epoch]

I think smokes should be impacts like the arbites grenade so its instant protection

[undone jungle]

Trvth

[sonic kayak]

They also turn off Not-Rodin, since he has no melee

[sudden cedar]

Rodin and Rinda Karnak

[sonic kayak]

Which is the biggest boon for me

[formal hamlet]

Yeah, smoke makes ranged enemies less of a threat and makes the enemies in the smoke I'm fighting easier to take down, no?

[steep flower]

Cause ppl are blind to what thinking individuals describe as ‚strategic’

[undone jungle]

Smokes aren't bad when used correctly though I just wish the description of Smokes told you what they do on the mechanical level

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bvk3b.gif

[undone jungle]

Not to mention they're not easy to see through so the fact you need to stand in their AOE is very silly

[sonic kayak]

Enemies will still melee you but shooters won't shoot

[sleek garden]

I was just using smokes

they help

[sonic kayak]

I have no problem with using smokes personally