veteran-class

[faint beacon]

I want to scare my friends

[unreal nova]

Rejected. I use serrated, but only with fast spammy weapons.

[midnight totem]

I mean, power sword is kinda quick too

[unreal nova]

And even when blue moon strikes... I win tiny insignificant things so... eh.

So min max to the max to compensate for terrible luck.

[midnight totem]

But im just teasing you mostly

[unreal nova]

Break the game by dealing over 120 damage a turn MISSING EVERYTHING.

[midnight totem]

It is working surprisingly well though. Much better then I thought

[unreal nova]

That's my D&D char.

If I miss, I still do my Cha and Dex as bonuses.

[midnight totem]

I can kill chaff and specials without powering up the blade and remaining mobile

[unreal nova]

That's + 7 and +5.

I hit 9 times a turn.

[midnight totem]

And it does add significant damage on a boss over time

[unreal nova]

And then you add a 1d10+7+5 after.

It applies on 1 target I did damage to.

121 damage a turn by outright missing.

Why yes, I solo'd every boss fight in that campaign.

Unless I failed a mind control roll or something.

There's a reason for my mindset.

If you are just so unlucky, build around it.

[sharp epoch]

i think theres a h40 solo arbites video now guys

[unreal nova]

I mean, it's pay2win. You can't even insta down because you can gate damage done to you to a max of 50.

Can't be one shotted if one shots only do 50.

You can eat maybe 3 one shots.

And you shouldn't be purposely eating one shots anyway.

[sharp epoch]

And dog can get those insta loss disablers like dog off

[unreal nova]

And btw...

Gating damage to 50 is basically a 75% DR for one shots.

And they said it was TOO OP on Vet.

Wait... it's higher.

Didn't one shots do like 400 damage.

[safe kestrel]

Which braced autogun is best?

[unreal nova]

I think is more like 80%?

[sharp epoch]

I like agripna some people like columnus the other one noone uses

[hollow ibex]

graia with executioners stance, otherwise agri

colum is just sad

and that's saying a lot because brautos in general aren't good rn

[sharp epoch]

Idk how much crushers do

[severe jolt]

87.5% if it's down to 50 from 400

[sharp epoch]

the meta build for arbites is gonna be like full hp curios cause thats a busted talent

[unreal nova]

And they say giving Vets 75% above 75% toughness was too much.

[hollow ibex]

over 400 damage i think

for the overhead

and 800+ to toughness

[unreal nova]

Points at Arbites.

[safe kestrel]

Ogryns going to unemployed. Tank ogryns on suicide watch

[unreal nova]

Toughness doesn't matter as much for Arbites.

More so in the DR stance.

It's still gated to 50 MAX.

[severe jolt]

PAY TO WIN

[sharp epoch]

meh theyre the second most broken class, they can tank crusher overheads on block

[unreal nova]

Oggies can do that as well.

Perfect block exists on slab.

[grand perch]

and any class with dclaw

[safe kestrel]

Ok psyker that’s instant death

[sharp epoch]

parry isnt block

[grand perch]

no youre right, its better

[severe jolt]

I can tank overheads with any class and build by dodging.

[unreal nova]

And I don't mean slab plant.

[safe kestrel]

Bruv that doesn’t count but ok lol

Kudos to your dodge though

[unreal nova]

I mean, i kinda predicted the class being at least second place.

It might not out DPS psyker, but it's not insta blep if touched as a psyker.

Can't DPS if ded.

[void dragon]

Tbh, I don't think anything outguns a psyker that is doing good, he might be a glass cannon but it is still a cannon

[midnight wyvern]

I just want them to have a working hand

[unreal nova]

True... Except rumbler oggy with a perfect set up and luck.

[midnight wyvern]

and/or foot

[unreal nova]

Ammo dispenser and rolling 15%s.

[serene bough]

would be suprised if pyrostaff doesnt get nerfed

maybe not this update but future

[sharp epoch]

It's just a given theyre gonna make it OP on release to sell it

happens with every game esp if its a dlc

[void dragon]

Screw rumbler, make BLO not replenish ammo on mag so you can actually buff weapons that rely on that BS to actually be good (stares mothereffly at Twin stubbers)

[safe kestrel]

Everything good about psyker is gap based like gap between you and the enemy. Walkers alone can put a damper on that. For abites it’s negated and going to be so versatile for them

[void dragon]

Giving rumbler a free reload when that's what keep it balanced was dumb

[sharp epoch]

they need like scaling on mag size instead of just one bullet

[unreal nova]

I figured. But this is like SoT 2.0. as predicted.

[sharp epoch]

wats SoT

[safe kestrel]

You might not just put on the most kills outright very easy but you shouldn’t go down easy at all for arbite

[unreal nova]

Heh.

[void dragon]

Nah, make BLO lucky bullet go to the ammo pool, not the mag, so you have to reload

[sharp epoch]

gonna take vets job 😔

[unreal nova]

Sister of Thorn.

VT2. Crazy fucking broken on release.

[void dragon]

It's a fun game when you actually give your spark head a cover and he crusher all enemies, teamwork is the DreamWork

[unreal nova]

Still hilariously OP after the nerfs, but not wipe the map in 1 push of a button bad.

[sharp epoch]

is that where all the kerillian hate comes from

[pale violet]

question for vet mains best curio stats?

[void dragon]

It already do this, but stronger since it skips some reloads like the rumbler

[loud belfry]

anti elf propaganda. sot was always perfect

(i dont know anything about vt2)

[serene bough]

i typically opt for stamina based sub nodes and run 2 toughness 1 stam

[unreal nova]

Ppl hated her from the start, shade can one shot bosses if done correctly or something.

[void dragon]

2 toughness and stamina

[pale violet]

kk

[safe kestrel]

It’s less common in public’s so a constant battle but it’s understandably common in harder difficultly with a good team. It’s just game mechanics of swarms sometimes

[sharp epoch]

sounds closer to dt zealot idk why the kerillian hate transferred to vet

[unreal nova]

But SoT is... Push F to wipe anything and everything.

[pale violet]

what about perks?

[serene bough]

theres some flexibility on perks depending on what you want but i do 3x cdr x2 stam regen x2 sprint efficiency x2 block efficiency

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

[unreal nova]

Don't ask me, probably cos most played char and class back then?

[sharp epoch]

maybe cause theyre the ranged class on a game with team damage

[unreal nova]

Also true.

[pale violet]

k

[serene bough]

well back when exe stance was reloading bolters and magdumping 30 shells in a row

bosses didnt exactly last long

nor did armor blobs

but i havent played VT2

[sharp epoch]

old exe stance vet would fold in h40 no joke

like theres not enough ammo to ammo dump bosses

[unreal nova]

The meme Keri builds are all ranged, and you know friendly fire. Even the absolute meme build I had has inf ammo. I can literally just hold M1 and walk around and only pick ammo from the big crates.

[serene bough]

well yeah it was an entirely different game

surv back then still was ticking per elite kill

you'd probably have enough ammo for H40

[safe kestrel]

How are you guys putting high damage on bosses on hard difficulty?

[sharp epoch]

their ammo system on vt sounds flawed if thats the case

[safe kestrel]

Trying to understand the game to be team player

[sharp epoch]

on vet its mostly melee damage at least for me

[unreal nova]

Naw, you can put chance to not use an ammo while shooting on your stuff. I minmaxed into it on a shortbow.

[safe kestrel]

Is there strong perks for that?

[serene bough]

you can full boss dmg by buffing kraks with literally everything but its not really a recommended or meta playstyle

[unreal nova]

Which has a massive ammo pool.

[midnight wyvern]

shoot in head

[serene bough]

oggy branx and zealot thammer are better boss killers

[sharp epoch]

some of the talents help like desperado and the crit chance on dodge

[unreal nova]

It's like recon but legit inf unless you are hilarious lvls of unlucky.

[sonic kayak]

Forgot to ask, have you been kicking heretic ass? Are you the captain now?

[void dragon]

Kraks really need to have more utility than "boss killers", specially since they fail on that category too

[unreal nova]

But then again, push F for 25% ammo back.

[sharp epoch]

sounds like my kinda playstyle 😎

[serene bough]

they just need more damage and more carrying cap

and a quicker detonation

[void dragon]

Reducing it's capacity was a mistake from the start in a game based mainly on horde combat

[unreal nova]

Problem is friendly fire. When you can shoot non-stop in a game where teammates take damage if you hit them... YEAH.

[serene bough]

running 3 kraks actually feels pretty solid in H40 because you regenerate them so easily

2 kraks is criminally low

[sharp epoch]

dt with friendly fire would be funny

[serene bough]

i remember in the earliest beta DT did have friendly fire

[unreal nova]

I still say, remove grenadier. Give it baseline to all 'nades.

[void dragon]

Yeah, doesn't even make a dent on a boss as it should

[serene bough]

ogryn just got shot by vet all the time

[unreal nova]

If fucking Arbites can start with 4 'nades. I don't see why Vets can't have that +1 for free.

[safe kestrel]

Fatshark makes you want to hate life

[hasty grove]

I have been making me emprah proud

[serene bough]

kraks are only really useful on bulwarks, reapers (niche) and monstros

with such a small area of focus you may as well buff them to do at least 200% more unyielding dmg

[void dragon]

It should deal with captains too, but they don't do health damage when sticking it (And sticking them is hard to begin with)

[sharp epoch]

It feels like such a waste to use it on anything thats not a boss

[unreal nova]

And remember, our nodes do less in general per node vs Arbites.

So more heavily taxed for the actually good nodes.

[serene bough]

problem with captians is their shield regens too fast

if you had it crack captian shields almost immediately that would be nice

[sharp epoch]

well vet does have like the most nodes out of every class

100 vs 75 on other classes

[serene bough]

my hatred for bulwarks justifies the krak toss

[void dragon]

It should deal a part damage on shield but also to health imo

[unreal nova]

Is why it needs trimming. Cut all the generics and give it baseline.

[void dragon]

Remove the stamina perks and put them baseline

[tacit sonnet]

MK XII?

[unreal nova]

Always 12.

[tacit sonnet]

There are so many tiny variations to the recon build

[unreal nova]

The blue one.

[sharp epoch]

It really does, it might be left over from when vet didnt even get keystones on the talent tree rework

[unreal nova]

Take the blue one, tell me if you colourblind though.

[tacit sonnet]

This looks like blue

https://i.vgy.me/6nryVu.png

[unreal nova]

Also another problem... our keystones, while doing little.. uses like 6 points?

[serene bough]

it also doesnt help in addition to having so many nodes, so many of them are useless

[sharp epoch]

That's pretty normal esp on the ogryn and psyker trees actually, but their trees are more streamlinrd

[tacit sonnet]

but what talents do you pick

[safe kestrel]

Psyker question on jobs. For things like bullwarks how much does the stagger of the shock staff actually help? I’ve been maining it because it seems to open them up consistently for finishes, but do vets have reliable counters on their own?

[serene bough]

i mean, just look at this

[unreal nova]

Not when their nodes actually do things. Half the nodes on Vet is either trash or so meh, if it were free, it would be fine.

[sharp epoch]

Vet really only has grenades for stagger, and shout

two kinda finite resources

[unreal nova]

Blessings? Dum Dum Infernus. Flak and crits... or unyielding and crits if you wanna go ALL in into monster delete.

[sharp epoch]

Yeah vet keystones are really just afterthoughts probably also cause they were rushing to add them cause vet had none

[unreal nova]

Flak crits better generally.

[void dragon]

Even MORE reason to bully ObeseFish into making the Vet rework asap, specially once they make bank with Arbites

[unreal nova]

You could legit just add half of the subnodes baseline and it'll be fine.

[safe kestrel]

So you’d say that voidblast and electro staff make a big difference on pushing the large enemies back?

[sharp epoch]

People are saying zealot needs a rework first but idk

[unreal nova]

Because boring 1.5 builds.

[safe kestrel]

Because I’m considering builds without it but not sure if I can let that stagger go

[sharp epoch]

Yeah psyker is pretty important for teams for their stagger and cc alone

[void dragon]

It kinda does tho, vet has some builds, Zealots has just the one

[unreal nova]

Vet needs it more because taxed beyond taxed and is already the worst class.

[serene bough]

surv and determined should be baked into the class already imo

[unreal nova]

Literally, without the actually good things vet has rn, do you seriously think ppl would play vet knowing?

[tacit sonnet]

talents

[unreal nova]

I can't help you. I memed with my onslaught build that time. Might be why I sucked at everything that isn't a boss.

[void dragon]

Vet is only picked because nostalgia and dispenser

[serene bough]

hell i'd even argue you could merge the top of the tree into more of a web and remove things like charismatic, longshot, exhil takedown,

[unreal nova]

I 1 mag dumped everything boss.

[safe kestrel]

Ngl that’s why I don’t play vet lmao. Limited move pool and basic ideas on special abilities. Ogryn existence screws yall over in many ways

[unreal nova]

Like, talk ranged? Gunker has us beat in general even.

Only thing is they don't have """""INF""""" ammo.

[serene bough]

well, imo another big issue with vet is the current meta itself

[void dragon]

That's why I use recon vet as scalpel to kill specialists, let the team have fun while you cover the back while tossing nades and piss toughness, really feels like the best way to use vet in Havoc

[serene bough]

huge emphasis on dealing with armor elite blobs and bosses

[unreal nova]

But they have assail.

[serene bough]

so the ranged fantasy kinda goes to die

[unreal nova]

Which well... Is pretty decent.

[sharp epoch]

They both have like 1-2 builds I think zealot has that main path with just a few changes to get book/beacon and martydom TH build. Vet has their shout build with frags surv with few changes and the executioner stance one but thats meh

[void dragon]

The joke of the ranged fantasy is that it was always a lie as long as everyone was able to do it

It was never a good niche to have

[safe kestrel]

It would be nice if orgryn or zealot played back like more. I’m always covering the rear because everyone forgets straight up. Back spot for the glass cannon

[unreal nova]

Well, even when Survivalist wasn't nerfed... Everyone could use it.

[void dragon]

That's more of a player issue, the bad ogryns don't protect lil umies

[unreal nova]

Bad oggies are like stealth loner Zealots.

I dunno where they are.

[serene bough]

i feel like left side of the tree needs more rending on ranged damage to deal with armor more effectively

[unreal nova]

I only see them in lifts.

[void dragon]

The stealth zealots are cosplaying ogryns

[unreal nova]

Look, you don't wanna shoot armoured even with onslaught.

[serene bough]

like putting an uncanny strikes kind of modifier on MMF would definitely be sweet, albeit it would need to be tuned

[unreal nova]

it's WAY too much ammo used per kill.

[safe kestrel]

I thought this was the point of the vet initially. It really should be tbh

[serene bough]

for now yeah

[hollow ibex]

vet needs to be renamed to "piss toughness and power sword class"

[unreal nova]

And mind you, this is minmaxed crit recon for the """""""""""""""""""""""INF"""""""""""""""""""""""" ammo build.

[serene bough]

im just thinking about how you'd make a precision sharpshooter build work with such an armored elite meta

[safe kestrel]

It’s kind of stupid vet class doesn’t have a long range lock on ability. Like make it a single perk in the tree that’s easy to pass through

[void dragon]

Nah, millions of guardsmen with no name are there, your reject is supposed to be actually named character, it needs more than just that

[safe kestrel]

Vet could shine in the sniper killing fields

[serene bough]

like if MMF provides 7.5% rending per stack as well I could see it becoming more viable

assuming MMF is kept the same and not reworked (it should deff be reworked)

[unreal nova]

Funny Zealot can dodge and counter fire with crazy precision.

I'm not kidding.

[void dragon]

Along with the class entirety

[safe kestrel]

I think you misunderstood. Read my next reply

[safe kestrel]

Yea I watch the play cam after deaths and it’s kind of upsetting to see the difference

[void dragon]

Sadly I don't see other message (hate the language barrier)

[safe kestrel]

Aiming staffs is garbage a lot too

[unreal nova]

Vet just gambles with the gun's stability no matter unless you go deadshit.

[serene bough]

were i to reintroduce the class I would've had 2 lanes be for ranged damage, one for precision and hard hits and the other for rapid fire supression, and keep the current middle grenadier squad leader tree

[safe kestrel]

Its ok. I said veterans should have a perk that’s easy for all builds to use. It should allow for easy shots on long range enemies

[serene bough]

the entire commando side of the tree would've been a separate class with a stealth emphasis

like a hive ganger or something

[unreal nova]

And even with it and run&gun... .-.

Your stam is gone, so GL if anything sneaks on you.

[unreal nova]

Naw, some people wanna have the Catachan rambo feel.

Melee and ranged both good.

[safe kestrel]

That’s a boss idea

[serene bough]

i know, im saying that should've been its own class

[void dragon]

Pox walker into mauler overhead while guard broken true combo

[unreal nova]

Or better, 0 stam boomer.

[void dragon]

A classic

[unreal nova]

I specifically enjoy a mix of it with a grenade focus even.

When it's survival, you use every tool you can find and pick up to ensure it.

Survivalist and "free" 'nades.

[serene bough]

i personally would've prefered if they kept vet separate from a grenade spamming archetype

[unreal nova]

Self sufficient enough to not worry about lacking.

[serene bough]

nades are fine but current vet is just lob as many shredders as possible and scream at the top of your lungs

[quaint marsh]

Died a lot to that before I realized you can't push with exactly zero stam

[void dragon]

Ogryn behavior

[arctic rampart]

thats not true! we have a plasma gun too

[void dragon]

No surprise it's the strongest version of vet

[unreal nova]

Unless psyker, mostly cos they regen fast enough that you still have a chance.

[sharp epoch]

Yeah vet has abysmal stam regen, you pretty much need one of the .25 stam regen nodes

[severe jolt]

elf mains are mostly circle chasers who don't care how much friendly fire they do
that's why everyone learns to hate them

[quaint marsh]

When I picked up vet is when it started happening lmao

[unreal nova]

Taxes though.

[quaint marsh]

I thought i was just shit

[sharp epoch]

I would think sienna (psyker) would have more on VT but I never played

[unreal nova]

WDYM, I have shit accuracy but I still know what is a rat and what isn't.

How do you even fucking shoot the dwarf unless you are blinder than blind?

[sharp epoch]

It's pretty jarring coming from zealot or psyker who have decent stam regen or high base stam

[void dragon]

With eyes clouded by hate

[unreal nova]

So every other class. Lmao.

[unreal nova]

Till it's nerfed.

Funny when all I hear is rumors about vet nerfs even as the already worst class.

Like, at this point, you might as well just remove the class.

[severe jolt]

Well you would think that, seeing as most elf ranged weapons are pinpoint accurate, but somehow they manage to keep shooting you in the back of your head. And as a zealot main, having your death resist triggered by the knife ear shooting you is very, very frustrating. 'specially when it happens all the god damn time.

[unreal nova]

I mean, I would expect some accidents... but to that degree? Maybe you should be playing a ranged focused thing then.

Is what I wanna say to those.

[severe jolt]

Not to mention that in VT2 some stupid elf shooting chaff isn't just a matter of wasting ammo, it's actively robbing everyone else out of THP.

[sharp epoch]

Ogryn is actually almost as slow idk exactly but vet still is slowest

[unreal nova]

If they shoot chaff infront of them, sure, w/e.

[unreal nova]

See knoife oggy.

Will outrun the avg knoife vet.

Just because crazy stam pool they have base.

[faint beacon]

Vet is barely faster cause of Close and Kill

Keep in mind barely

[unreal nova]

That's if you go for THAT.

If you take survivalist...

Well.

HURP.

[sharp epoch]

Oh I thought were talking about stam regen

speed yeah vet is also slow

[faint beacon]

Stam regen

[unreal nova]

Oh and BTW, C&K affects said Oggy as well.

[frank basin]

Galeo June 20th!

[unreal nova]

So... Hurp.

[faint beacon]

They share the same amount of delay

[frank ledge]

Fatshark has no idea on what they are doing, plasma is fine

What are we suposed to do without it?

[faint beacon]

It’s just

Ogryn has a larger pool

[faint beacon]

M2 for once

Very foreign concept to vet players I know

[frank ledge]

At that point may as well play helbore

[unreal nova]

That's why they can be faster. Vet hits ded from exhaustion much earlier.

[sharp epoch]

I think vet is probably not gonna be played at all in h40s once those nerfs hit cause it kills both weapons in their loadouts

also arbites is the new 4th class that fits vets archetype perfectly

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-point-gun-monkey-gun-threatening-threaten-gif-27256408

[unreal nova]

I mean, expect all Arbites or oggy teams now.

[faint beacon]

Exercise induced asthma if it was a class

[frank ledge]

Surv aura

[severe jolt]

No that just adds insult to injury. Wizard has some spicy AOE staffs, but they manage to rarely FF a teammate. While the elf knife ear shit does it all the time even with bows that are practically sniper rifles.

[sharp epoch]

psyker bubble still really good though

[faint beacon]

VOC and Surv that’s it

[frank ledge]

And vet shout

[sharp epoch]

and chorus is decent

[safe kestrel]

If they nerf the plasma gun that’s just a travesty

[tacit sonnet]

That would be good

[unreal nova]

Yes, but I have done 3 oggies 1 zealot before.

[frank basin]

Voc and Surv are my main loadout

[frank ledge]

Maybe you could justify dumping a zealot for a second Ogryn

2 Ogryns, 1 vet, 1 soyker

[sharp epoch]

Yeah I've done 4 ogryns as well, it's just you need more compentent teams for those comps

[midnight totem]

My bolter will see more use

[safe kestrel]

He has this huge health pool so it balances out

[faint beacon]

Bolter is good in Havoc

I’m surprised no one wants to use it

[unreal nova]

True. But Arbites is like oggy braindead tanky with Zealot melee output and Vet ranged output.

[faint beacon]

Like it’s genuinely good

[frank basin]

But it is ammo hungry?

[safe kestrel]

It already has that long charge time. I don’t get why you’d agree with it

[grand perch]

if youre nothing without plasma and DS then you shouldnt have them

[faint beacon]

Surv aura

And the ammo modifier isn’t as bad as season 1

[frank basin]

+1 return boolet

I can’t tell will they be okay with 1 round refund bolter?

In every 5 second

If they play havoc

[tacit sonnet]

what charge time

Plasma is very quick

[safe kestrel]

Sorry maybe I’m confusing terms

[tacit sonnet]

plasma needs nerfs

[sharp epoch]

its the equivalent of taking voidblast and purg from psykers and dueling sword so 90% of their players are gonna have to adjust or just swap clases

[safe kestrel]

I’m talking about the one shot laser pistol that looks like a modern warfare zombies gun

[tacit sonnet]

laser pistol?

[frank basin]

Ray gun

[faint beacon]

There’s a lot of elites in havoc

You’ll be getting ammo from melee

You have to balance melee and ranged

[unreal nova]

CD though.

[safe kestrel]

Yes thank you

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-hmm-thinking-smile-gif-12571277

[midnight totem]

My first vet h40 was with bolter knife

[faint beacon]

Bolter Taxe might be pretty cracked now

[grand perch]

congratulations youve seen the point of adjusting balance

[sharp epoch]

I think the reason is cause it missed some breakpoints wothout exe and most people run shout

[faint beacon]

Bolter Taxe was already good

[frank basin]

I love Taxe like friend told me he can zooming with Taxe

[faint beacon]

Pinning Fire

You’ll get value from it

[hollow birch]

What melee yall use for havoc 40 that isnt dueling sword since that's getting nerfed soon

[frank basin]

Taxe

Taxe
Taxe
Taxe

[hollow birch]

Been using power sword but

[sharp epoch]

Power sword

[hollow birch]

feels easy to get overwhelmed with mk3 powersword at least

[sharp epoch]

its like playing as a glass cannon though

[midnight totem]

Knife, powers word

[hollow birch]

Shock maul any good?

[faint beacon]

Cause it doesn’t have a anim cancel like Mk6

[frank basin]

Melee in havoc if I think it need a lot mobilizing to avoid taken hit from swarm mixed

[unreal nova]

MK6>3 from memory

[severe jolt]

I often play elf in VT2 just so I don't have to deal with an elf player being in the same lobby - ironic, maybe? But at least I know not to shoot things that don't need to get shot and just focus on melee.

[safe kestrel]

No I was correct on my terminology. It’s the plasma gun. I think it’s silly if you want that nerfed

[hollow birch]

I knew something was off

I didn't like how MK6 had some weird swing angels though

[unreal nova]

Shield maiden to piss ppl off?

[faint beacon]

The moment you press special block and let go

[safe kestrel]

Every class needs at least one thing extra strong. You can’t crowd control with the plasma gun, it takes a little wind up, it serves a specific purpose

[faint beacon]

It’s up time sky rockets

Vs Mk3

You have to wait for the animation

[hollow birch]

Pretty sure it's getting nerfed because the weapon isn't being used how it's designed to

[faint beacon]

That’s

Yeah

I keep trying to explain that

[hollow birch]

Makes sense

[faint beacon]

But it’s weaker Helbore

Not really when it hard staggers everything except bosses and pierces bulwark shields

Helby can’t do that

[hollow birch]

I've been trying to make helbore 4 work in havoc but I am just not getting lucky with crits at all

[faint beacon]

You have to play incredibly passive

[safe kestrel]

That’s strange. What are people do with it?

[faint beacon]

And build off the ability talents

Marksmen etc

[hollow birch]

Just M1 machine, no chargeshot

[severe jolt]

If you think shieldmaiden is a bad career you're probably one of those terrible elf players I'm complaining about.

[hollow birch]

Duelist sword is being used for crazy mobi as well as everything clear

that's why that is getting nerfed

[faint beacon]

Spam M1

M1 has a safety net feature that won’t let you accidentally detonate on overheat

[safe kestrel]

Oh I thought it was forced on charge shot

[faint beacon]

Do you can just spam M1 without thinking

[hollow birch]

No lol

2 taps kills about anything

[unreal nova]

No, I mean using her to annoy keri players joining.

[safe kestrel]

I never used dueling sword and it looks like I never will lmao

[hollow birch]

This feels pretty solid at least

[faint beacon]

M2 doesn’t have the safety feature

[hollow birch]

might change around the perks though

[faint beacon]

You can die from overheating

[unreal nova]

You specifically play the most melee focused aspect to annoy them.

[faint beacon]

You sweet summer child

[hollow birch]

M1 spam, clear horde, ez life

no brain required

Mutant shows up instant kill with special attack

[unreal nova]

I actually like Shield Maiden. >_>

[severe jolt]

Ahh yes. I do main handmaiden as elf- in VT2 you only get one character of each kind per lobby, so if I pick handmaiden no one else can play as elf. And the spear&shield that's exclusive to handmaiden is actually a really good weapon.

[unreal nova]

After too many Bardin games... Lul.

[unreal nova]

I know. Is like Bardin but 'agile'.

[uncut pebble]

Ok, but like, dual daggers or dagger and sword.

Elites fear me.

[unreal nova]

Why yes, I kept being forced to IB Bardin.

[faint beacon]

It’s been power crept so hard it’s depressing using vs a lot of other melees

[hollow birch]

Only ones I know of that are better are power sword and duelist

I havent tried shock maul though

[faint beacon]

Shovel, Shaul is on par with it till the 23rd

Knife

Combat axes

Tac axes

[uncut pebble]

Taxe 2 my beloved...

[hollow birch]

Okay but knife players are on caffeine and adderall 24/7

[unreal nova]

Wot.

[severe jolt]

Did you know that if you pick the invisibility talent as handmaiden, and find a purple potion to get CDR, the CDR on the handmaiden charge is so quick that you can charge through a good portion of the map while invisible? It's an absolute meme tier way to play, but I've clutched so many situations when everyone else is dead by just charging to the revive spot.

[unreal nova]

If I have caffeine, I'll pass out asleep in like 15 mins.

[uncut pebble]

Not picking the invis talent is throwing because dashing through a horde likely means youre about to eat 3 or 4 backshots in the process and either die or get your guard broken and then die.

[faint beacon]

Chainsword and Infantry las are just relics of the past

[uncut pebble]

I meant to say backstabs but my phone autocorrected to backshots...

What the fuck, phone, I don't even say that word...

[unreal nova]

I usually don't pick stealth for the same reason I don't do it in DT. Aggro dump sucks. Being aggro dumped REALLY sucks.

[faint beacon]

Mk 9 especially holy

[uncut pebble]

The invis in vt2 for handmaidens dash lasts for 2 seconds and enemies will instantly lock back onto you once it's over.

[midnight totem]

Foot Knight with a rifle and bretonion longsword

[uncut pebble]

It's just long enough to dash through a horde and pop a special with your melee or longbow.

It's also a nice tool to get out of a corner when a rat ogre is trying to touch you.

[unreal nova]

Zealot is like 3 secs as well though. Still enough to get you kark'd by 2+4 new crushers because arse Zealot.

[severe jolt]

yeppers
that's why you normally take it, to take out a pesky specialist

[uncut pebble]

Stealth in darktide does not work the way it does in vt2 because enemies will stay locked onto your teammates instead of instantly swapping back to you.

If enemies did swap back to you as soon as you broke it in darktide, I would have a significantly less hostile opinion of stealth.

[unreal nova]

Ah. I don't really know since like I said, I skipped it... And EVERYONE rather just shade one shot.

[midnight totem]

They do do that. If you're not using low threat node

[unreal nova]

Before SoT.

[severe jolt]

But if you have to clutch, the invisibility charge is ridiculous with a purple potion.

[unreal nova]

Zealots have -90% threat?

[faint beacon]

No

[unreal nova]

Thus, doesn't matter. Is directed to the fact I'm not talking about vets, but zealots.

[midnight totem]

Oh

[pseudo fiber]

I think they'll rework both stealths when the respective tree reworks come out

because why run shouldfield as a crit when you have FotF

Kerillion didn't have FotF so it worked there

[midnight totem]

Kerillian is also a dirty elf while we are servants of the Emperor

[severe jolt]

knife ear probably made Saltzpyre consider starting his own book of grudges

just for the elf

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure canon Keri isn't like the countless toxic crap players.

[midnight totem]

Well yeah

[midnight wyvern]

nuh uh

[dreamy vortex]

Same here

It's really fun to do

[severe jolt]

wrong, the voice lines also represent her as kind of an asshole

[dreamy vortex]

I once dashed through an entire horde and monstrosity to rescue my team on that one goddamn dwarf map

I can't remember what it's called but I hate it

[unreal nova]

Snarky, but not full on toxic.

At least on the missions I had access to.

[dreamy vortex]

Cool map but I've only seen the end of it like two times

Idk what it is that makes it so difficult but I always seem to lose right around the first event

The one where you have to fight while lowering the gate

[midnight totem]

Its really just the typical elf arrogance

I mained shade, waystalker when playing elf for vt2

[unreal nova]

Still doesn't mean she will outright turncoat and shoot you in the back for no good reason.

[dreamy vortex]

These are the main ones I play as well

[midnight totem]

Good reason for her or for the person being shot?

[dreamy vortex]

Maybe you shouldn't have walked in front of me when I was sniping the entire patrol of black rats then

Just saying

[unreal nova]

Either. They are a band of outcasts after all in a way. If they won't look after each other's backs out there, who will?

[dreamy vortex]

Despite having like 250 hours on VT2 easily I only have 3/5 characters past level 30

I exclusively play elf basically

My elf is like +90 and my kruber and saltzpyre aren't even level 35

[midnight totem]

You sound like you've gotten shot in the back a lot Karien

[unreal nova]

I play IB Bardin. And yes, I have eaten enough shots to just... stare.

Well, forced to play anyway.

[faint beacon]

I’m the one that actively shoots people for being annoying

[dreamy vortex]

I try my best to avoid turning my teammates into pin cushions but they walk in front of me fucking constantly

[midnight totem]

thats rough lol

[unreal nova]

I'm literally lagging so much I'm usually stationary and relying on blocks.

IDK how you manage to pincushion a literally stationary target.

[dreamy vortex]

Whenever I'm playing waystalker I'll be using my longbow basically every time I see something stronger than a slave rat

[uncut pebble]

No, they do not.

[dreamy vortex]

Yeah that's a pretty difficult feat

[unreal nova]

Why... I dunno really. I thought most ppl on PC can aim, nawp.

Then again, reminds me of why I play only the lowest diff L4D2 online.

IDK how you shoot someone crouching at the door.

[midnight totem]

I don't expect competence from half the people I meet

easier to get by that way

[unreal nova]

True. Same in DT. Just don't expect much. if they are somehow good, god sent.

[faint beacon]

Repost if the kerillian main is being annoying so you bounty Hunter ult the back of their head

[sudden cedar]

I like Elves.

[dreamy vortex]

Elves are my favorite fantasy race

[sudden cedar]

Alongside Dwarves

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-dats-what-i-woulda-gif-18253305946678612829

[uncut pebble]

And waste it? Nah. Rapier pistol shot a lamp oil under her feet.

[faint beacon]

Waste it?

I feel like it’s justified

Power move to tell them to STFU

[unreal nova]

I mean, why hate ppl unless they did something wrong?

[dreamy vortex]

Dwarves are cool but I fuck with elves way more

People don't like their high and mighty attitude but I fucking adore it

[serene bough]

https://tenor.com/view/dammaz-kron-dwarf-gif-27703552

[severe jolt]

What do you mean, "unless" they did something wrong? Elves know what they did.

[serene bough]

no knife ears

[unreal nova]

.-.

[hollow ibex]

Dwarves are cool but I fuck elves way more

[midnight wyvern]

??

[topaz lance]

I unironically dislike the Vermintide Elf

[midnight wyvern]

ay yo?

[hollow ibex]

?

[midnight wyvern]

Yes Commissar, this one right here

[hollow ibex]

Commissar would agree with me

[fair maple]

so, I don't know all the nuances of how the gear works
do guns have certain crit chances within the weapons themselves? for instance, recon lasgun has its own inherent crit without anything else involved? or no

[tall torrent]

yes

[fair maple]

okay, then if you don't mind, follow up: how do I find that and is it different between marks

I remember that Vet has I think 7% on any attack before anything's involved, last I checked

[tall torrent]

ur in luck because I make guide

[severe jolt]

kill elves
dropkick elves
destroy elven heritage sites

[slow spade]

I've seen only one story where elves aren't the problem

Divinity Original Sin because they were genocided pre-emptively

[pseudo fiber]

this picture always makes me laugh it's so good

[short vapor]

Interesting, didn't know there was an alternative formula for crit strings. Usually used n/(n + 1/c -1) where n is the crit string and c is the crit chance.

[severe jolt]

not a racist
just don't like 'em
simple as

[hollow ibex]

i'm racist against bulwarks

simple as

[steady prism]

Hello 🙂 And don't forget Lord of the Rings.. They did eventually help. It took a long time though

As for Bulwarks.. I don't mind them but to be fair anytime I random que, I get a Zealot more than happy to deal with them

[tall torrent]

um
it's the same formula
I just wrote (n+ 1/c -1) as (n-1 + 1/c)

and wrote 1/c as c^(-1)

which is the same thing

[severe jolt]

Lord of the Rings elves aren't like Warhammer elves
LotR elves are at least respectable

[hollow ibex]

what are WH elves like?

in LOTR it's more dwarves that are the assholes lol

[steady prism]

Very rude.. Lumber Foots if you need a hint

[severe jolt]

a lot like Kerillian

[hollow ibex]

i haven't played VT in years

[unreal nova]

I mean between the Eldar and Dark Elder... Heh.

[tall torrent]

remember that eldar in 40k has a slur for humans

and now put that into fantasy context

[steady prism]

Oh you mean those things.. They enjoy torture and killing more than Space Marines so there is that. If you read the books.. Well least to say the Imperium literally sold themselves out to repair the Golden Throne

[short vapor]

That would do it.

[steady prism]

On that topic.. I need a moment to find this but this is what Orcs think of everyone.. They call Eldar Da Skrawniez or Da Spikes. Tyranids are Da Bug Eyes https://youtu.be/HLA7TjwrKdY?t=408

[sudden cedar]

@hollow ibex Pick your poison between High Elves(Asur), Dark Elves(Druchii) and Wood Elves(Asrai). They are all arrogant. High Elves are probably the nicest of the three, followed by Wood Elves and the Druchii you best avoid.

[severe jolt]

orks don't actually care about anything as long as there's some violence involved
they'll sometimes welcome even other races into their own if they're sufficiently violent

[sudden cedar]

Because the Druchii are just Drukhari, Dark Eldar.

[steady prism]

Clearly "Was that suppose to hurt space marine?" - Ork being shot in the torso by a Bolter from a Space Marine. There is very few things they care about

[unreal nova]

But isn't basically just how their are raised ?

[sudden cedar]

Who?

[unreal nova]

Elves. Is like nobles vs commoners case.

Except taken to race. Long lived vs short.

[hollow ibex]

tbh.... kinda based

[severe jolt]

That sorta thing actually is where the Elder Scrolls shines. There's a shitload of social commentary in those games. Warhammer is shallow, on purpose.

[tame lodge]

I swear

I'll kill Yrliet again

If she calls me Mon-keigh

"I'm not your xenos pet, Mon-keigh"
Says my xenos pet

[hollow ibex]

i have yet to play RT

[tall torrent]

Also all of them are psykers

[hollow ibex]

Oh

Nvm then

[neat stratus]

Expedition 33 is honestly not that good

Good music, terribly grainy visuals, decent art direction, pretty bad sound mixing, and combat that's been executed better a million times already

4.5/10 type game

[sudden cedar]

@tame lodge Thought thats Marazhai.

[tame lodge]

I also killed him

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/vegito-vegito-gansta-vegito-suit-drip-vegito-bait-used-to-be-believable-gif-315651423676567245

[serene bough]

true

[unreal nova]

I thought the relationship is about teaching here you are her equal and summthing?

[neat stratus]

What bait, I'm actually serious

It's mid

It's a movie with some mediocre gameplay accidentally thrown in

I cannot compliment the game on its gameplay

[tame lodge]

That's one of hers combat dialogue

It doesn't really change

[slow spade]

she's now Dogmatic points because her quest keeps bugging out and never progressing

[tame lodge]

+8

[tall torrent]

Did u kill her on Janus or after

[tame lodge]

After chapter 3

[tall torrent]

Why not just kill her on Janus

[unreal nova]

Oh.

[tame lodge]

Because fan fic reasons

[slow spade]

honestly I wish I could do her questline

she's the only one my team hasn't done yet :c

[tame lodge]

Fall in love with the xenos pretty lady
She opens up, even might feel something for you
She betrays you
Broken heart, you kill her

[tall torrent]

This is so heretical and dogmatic at the same time

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/stutters-i-know-that-sounds-bad-ego-guardians-of-the-galaxy-kurt-russell-gif-15922456

It plays on a love story cliche

Your love or your duty

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-dawn-of-war-winter-assault-commissar-execute-gif-8620970518737597983

[oblique imp]

How does heat work on plasma gun? It says 30% heat increase on critical hit but how is this beneficial?

[tame lodge]

I'm also planning on going for a 6-8 Operatives run

Soon-ish

[pseudo fiber]

I think it's meant to say heat reduction

[tame lodge]

RT, Idira, Pasqal, Yrliet

Then at least 2 custom members

[tall torrent]

Operative is genuinely the weakest starting class

[oblique imp]

It says heat generation

[tall torrent]

What that blessing does is

Critical attacks with plasma gun generate less heat than they normally do

[tame lodge]

That's ok
I'm just going to break the game's balance later on

It was originally meant to be 6 strategist

[tall torrent]

If operative could lead into arch militant then pasqal could be crazy

[tame lodge]

But there can be only 3 zones

[slow spade]

yeah sadly Operative needs build-up before it's good :c

[tame lodge]

18 zones would be crazy

[slow spade]

Tactical Knowledge is huge for the other classes though so it's not a bad team buff

[tall torrent]

Pasqal literally exists solely for tech use checks

It’s unfortunate

[tame lodge]

Then Jae comes along

[slow spade]

they removed his 1 real funny build

[tame lodge]

[slow spade]

which was infinite salvo plasma

[tall torrent]

Jae is op

Very underrated and op

[tame lodge]

Simply skill check everything

[tall torrent]

Plasma as a whole not that good unfortunately

Melta too

[tame lodge]

Real

[slow spade]

yeah but Pasqal made it good due to infinite attacks

[tame lodge]

I genuinely dislike both of them

[slow spade]

after they removed his infinite attacks, now they're shit lmao

[tall torrent]

Going from DT plasma to RT plasma is like

Damn ig this is why admech win rate is ass on the tabletop

[slow spade]

it's wild they somehow managed to make meltas and plasmas feel terrible for damage

[tall torrent]

Arc rifle also abysmal dogshit

[slow spade]

really? damn I was thinking about trying an Exotic weapon build on Pasqal

rip Admech you have nothing good :c

[tall torrent]

4r capacity

[slow spade]

well that explains enough for me

truly the humble bolter and lasgun are the workhorses of the Imperium

[tame lodge]

Burst fire
Burst fire
Burst fire
Burst fire

Burst fire

There
40 shots

[tall torrent]

I like how rykad minoris first fight immediately teaches u why the imperium is built upon lasgun volleys

I wish there was a heavy bolter equivalent of rapid fire las heavy weapon

[slow spade]

yeah I was surprised there wasn't any heavy weapon lasgun

I guess I didn't see anyone use any multi-las guns :p

[tall torrent]

I fear I won’t be playing RT for a long time even after lex imperialis drops

DT new class + guide to work on

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

Gonna build the foundation to include more class related stuff

[tame lodge]

Another 6 months delay

[tall torrent]

Gonna add dodge distance values for all weapons

That scale per class

So you’ll see 2 dodge distance values

One for veteran and zealot

One for psyker and arbites

[slow spade]

play both so you can start blending both of them together UwU

"80 Crit Bonus, 80 Finesse, 80 Medicae, 80 Tech Use"

[tall torrent]

I’m pretty sure finesse is the direct equivalent of agility in DT

What they’re supposed to mean anyway

[slow spade]

pretty much, though I wish Finesse decreased enemy dodge :p

[tall torrent]

Enemies can’t dodge in DT tho

[slow spade]

no more dogs instantly dodging my revolver shots because it 180'd on the spot

[charred finch]

mister path

[slow spade]

you tell that to the pox hounds

[charred finch]

which mark of laspistol do you recommend

[tall torrent]

2

[charred finch]

thanks pookie

[tall torrent]

10 does some interesting things

But

2 is just better

[slow spade]

man the mk10 could have been cool :c

then they just gave it like no crit stats or high enough damage to justify it lol

[tall torrent]

10 hits some interesting stagger breakpoints

…… if u crit

[slow spade]

yeah...

[charred finch]

im doing stupid exec stance build

[tall torrent]

Can’t wait to write crusher -14% dodge (1.72m dodge for arbites)

https://tenor.com/view/brushing-shoulder-black-filter-suit-gif-26850006

[charred finch]

real

[tall torrent]

I think that’s the lowest dodge distance in the game

For melee

[slow spade]

lower than even relic blade or power sword? impressive

[pseudo fiber]

we got lower than fgs

[tall torrent]

Power sword is 2.2m (80% mobility)

[pseudo fiber]

lmfao

[tall torrent]

Relic blade is 2.15m (60% mobility)

[tame lodge]

Wait
Siker and Arby's have the same default dodge distance?

[slow spade]

YIPPIE :D

[tall torrent]

Yes

Both are 2m

[slow spade]

Psyker stamina, Zealot defenses

it's funny

actually it has better stamina than zealot iirc

[tall torrent]

And arbites generally has negative dodge distance weapons

So

Overall not good at dodging

Veteran with power sword is almost 0.5m better than arbites with crusher

[pseudo fiber]

Which I actually thought they wouldn't be good at

[tall torrent]

FGS is current lowest at 1.86m

[charred finch]

they also have same stamina regen yeah

[tall torrent]

-7% dodge distance, psyker has 2m

[tame lodge]

"Stand and Die protocol"

😭

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1385419611926958130/image.png?ex=6856a8cf&is=6855574f&hm=8b085cd9a59ea41adab3bfc805e6ce0f8972ea6270867b757f41b3c08f8c90d5&

@charred finch @pseudo fiber

[pseudo fiber]

I see I see

[charred finch]

jesus

[tall torrent]

Made this yesterday

https://tenor.com/view/brushing-shoulder-black-filter-suit-gif-26850006

[pseudo fiber]

good work path

[charred finch]

thank u mister path

[rancid egret]

[tropic notch]

I was gonna use it on him

Guh

[tropic notch]

Crazy stam regen delay

[tropic notch]

Is it arbitres crusher gonna be worse than a fgs psyker?

[tame lodge]

Good news

You can spam push attack

[tropic notch]

Oh yeah

I was gonna dump power output anyway

[tall torrent]

Worse dodge distance yes

[tall torrent]

Dw it’s op

[tropic notch]

I know that entire side of the tree is busted

[iron marten]

No knife on arbites 🥹

Well, taxes are there so good enough

[tropic notch]

Street smarts should help

4 dodges

[tall torrent]

No need

What’s dodge good for when everything is gonna be on the floor one way or another

https://tenor.com/view/brushing-shoulder-black-filter-suit-gif-26850006

[tropic notch]

Ok but what about bosses

[tall torrent]

13 shots from agripinaa shotgun is all business and no flair

[crisp oak]

so agripina is the way now?

[tall torrent]

Buffed pretty hard yes

[crisp oak]

still will probably run kantrael

I miss beloved

[heavy rover]

I can't wait for the update to drop so I can use helbores more often

already got a build lined up

[quick seal]

any advice on this? Is it still possible to cheese this or is this patched?

Every time I try to do this I take random chip damage or some random damage IDK if it counts or not

[heavy rover]

Voice of command with yellow toughness, keep spamming dodge with any weapon that has agile

damage to yellow toughness doesn't count

[quick seal]

do poxburster explosions count as melee damage? Do mutants pummeling you count as melee damage? Does being eaten by beast of nurgle count as melee damage?

[nimble wadi]

[quick seal]

I've been doing this but I always get dogged or something halfway through and then I have to quit and start all over again, it's super frustrating doing this with randoms, i'm sure it's easier if there's other Loyal Protector ogryns, or if you do the instakill cheese

idk

this penance sucks

[heavy rover]

yeah on mine I got really lucky that I had like 2 book zealots with me

[quick seal]

What does "agile" mean. I know it's a tag that's on weapons but does it have an explicit meaning, like, does agile mean +10% dodge over weapons without the agile tag. Or is it just a fatshark thing where it doesn't mean anything, you just "feel agile", the rules are made up and the points don't matter

[void dragon]

TO THIS DAY im still unsure why people think rashad is a good weapon, it just feels so bad for me for some reason

[tall torrent]

Can be cheesed

Do u want help

[void dragon]

at least of vet

[quick seal]

hell yeah

how so

[quick seal]

please do

[tall torrent]

U jump off the map at the start
I solo the game and never rescue u

[quick seal]

lol no way

[tame lodge]

Rashad is better on vet than any other class

[quick seal]

I thought they patched that

[tame lodge]

💀

[tall torrent]

No

[tall torrent]

Also no

Arbites is better with axe than veteran

[tame lodge]

Not even out yet

😭

[tall torrent]

It is foretold

[quick seal]

ok, sure, I'm game. I'd love to make it happen then

[tame lodge]

Path already made the calculations

[amber ether]

arbite nodes seem insane

[tame lodge]

Classic Rashad moment

[heavy rover]

agile refreshes your dodge count on a weakspot hit. it's on dueling sword and the combat plate. As long as you keep hitting heads, you basically have infinite dodge

[tall torrent]

Give me like 5 mins

Cleaning room

[tame lodge]

Anyways not even out yet

[quick seal]

If I am within 5 meters of the enemy, and I kill the enemy with ranged, do I get 15% toughness back?

[tame lodge]

My statement stands true

[quick seal]

or is this perk only benefiting allies (i.e., no explicit benefit to myself for taking it)

[amber ether]

its only for teammates

[quick seal]

bahhhhhh

[trim steppe]

Melk trolled me with this one

[void dragon]

i didnt used it on other class, mostly because others have better ones

[tall torrent]

Ok I’m getting on

[quick seal]

hooah

[tall torrent]

Actually one sec, pc update lol

[raven walrus]

is it true that they're making the plasma gun useless?

[tall torrent]

no

[raven walrus]

so they're not nerfing the plasma gun?

[tall torrent]

not next patch

as for the leaked patch notes, they're not final

[tall torrent]

pc update almost done, just one moment

[quick seal]

no problem

[raven walrus]

sooo this brouhaha about nerfing the plasma is just hot gas?

[unreal nova]

Probs not, but something not really finalized and probably just the CN translator leaked it by accident.

[orchid hemlock]

They will nerf it, just not in 1.8

[tall torrent]

did ur game crash

[orchid hemlock]

No confirmation how they will nerf it

[void dragon]

the intention of nerfin that and the Dueling sword is real, just that the changes in that LEAK arent final

[quick seal]

uh oh

[tall torrent]

we can restart

it's fine

[orchid hemlock]

I'll get on too, but I need to walk back to my apartment

[quick seal]

I've never gotten this error before lol

Error
Backend error

[tall torrent]

restart game

[tall torrent]

nah no need

[quick seal]

ah you're right. I'm restarting now

[void dragon]

found the game tossing me an "ERROR 9999"

that's a new one for the collection

[tall torrent]

join when able

[gilded wraith]

One more and you win darktide

[quick seal]

yep i'm in the party

[tall torrent]

did u crash again

restart ur router maybe

[quick seal]

Yeah I crashed again

[tall torrent]

ok restart

are u running some really heavy mods or smth

[quick seal]

I am unmodded rn 😶

What's the best way to jump off and not survive? @tall torrent

[void dragon]

the prize is that you get to work forever (guarantee lotery of servitor treatment)

[quick seal]

I'm still hanging on this ledge lol. I do get to let go soon, right? Or am I just perpetually stuck here

[tall torrent]

how are u still not dead

and u got damaged by smth

I don't understand

[narrow frost]

path

you doing syorex?

[tall torrent]

no

[narrow frost]

I cant spell...

[tall torrent]

just doing on overwatch for him

[quick seal]

there's a bunch of flamers next to me

[narrow frost]

*the map

[tall torrent]

but he somehow can't even jump off the map right

[unreal nova]

There's a map where trying to jump off is a pain and you keep looping.

[narrow frost]

there is a death pit

[quick seal]

if I am damaged by the flames, it doesn't count against the penance, right?

[tall torrent]

idk

idk how u didn't die before spawns started

[quick seal]

Yes

I kept looping in the animation

what is the proper way to jump off the map

[unreal nova]

I know. It happened to someone when I did the run for them.

They managed to get out of the loop somehow and jump off somewhere else.

[tall torrent]

whatever we'll do a diff map

[quick seal]

ah ok there I jumped off properly lol

[narrow frost]

@tall torrent

I'll log on rn, and show you a spot

[quick seal]

we're a good way through the mission

i'm already jumped off and @tall torrent's carrying lol

NEVERMIND

I got a freakin' fatshark error

uhh I reconnected after the error prompt. I hope this doesn't affect the "On Overwatch" penance

[narrow frost]

This is what I use for "On overwatch"

[tall torrent]

@quick seal wtf even happened

didn't I put it on private???

@quick seal leave, restart

[quick seal]

yes I think that is the case. I left and will restart

[tall torrent]

who was istar

ur friend?

[quick seal]

Yes, I think a friend joined off my friends list

[tall torrent]

I'm getting trolled istg

[quick seal]

😬

[tall torrent]

5th restart

unreal

let's go

[quick seal]

fifth time's the charm 😬

[tall torrent]

tell ur friend that ur doing on overwatch and do not join

thanks

[quick seal]

yes I already did

[tall torrent]

shame it didn't matter cuz there's no good map for it rn

maybe in a few seconds

[unreal nova]

Did they pick you up or so?

[tall torrent]

they res'd him

and fucked my entire progress

[quick seal]

Yes

[unreal nova]

Ah.

[quick seal]

Oh my god

[tall torrent]

did u crash

[quick seal]

Oh my god

[tall torrent]

why is this loading so long

[quick seal]

wtf is this

[tall torrent]

yea no I'm getting trolled

[quick seal]

idk but i'm loading back in

[unreal nova]

Server being a mess?

[quick seal]

Ok I guess this is it then

[tall torrent]

wow new error code

1003

[quick seal]

ok I guess this is it then

[unreal nova]

XD

[tall torrent]

we can do it

but

what is going on with ur connection

[quick seal]

Idk. I’ve never had this before

[unreal nova]

What region are you from?

[quick seal]

I’ve never seen so many new error codes

[unreal nova]

Just curious.

[tall torrent]

restart ur router

and join back

[quick seal]

I’m in NA.

[tall torrent]

I'll wait

[unreal nova]

I wonder if it's issues connecting to other regions.

I had this happen before connecting outside of SEA lul.

[quick seal]

i'm booting back up, thx for waiting

ok I jumped off succesfully

hopefully the connection remains stable

[tall torrent]

how did u disconnect this time

[quick seal]

I didn't do anything

it gave me an error prompt and I'm reconnecting now

[tall torrent]

ok

[hollow ibex]

oof

[quick seal]

does being disconnected from the server and reconnecting affect the penance?

I guess we'll find out

[iron marten]

oof

[unreal nova]

Like 6th try now.

[quick seal]

Yeah sorry

[tall torrent]

I would hope??

[tall torrent]

are u done reconnecting

[quick seal]

No, it gave me a “Backend Error”, and then when I tried to reconnect it said “could not connect to the Steam Network”

[tall torrent]

should I leave and restart again

[quick seal]

I think we may have to call it quits. I really appreciate you trying to help me but if it hasn’t worked the sixth time, I don’t think the servers will work tonight

[hollow ibex]

brutal

😦

[tall torrent]

I think it's smth wrong with ur connection

are u on wifi or ethernet

[quick seal]

Yeah but idk why it would let me play half a game just fine and then shit itself

[quick seal]

I’m on wifi

[tall torrent]

restart both ur pc and router at same time

1 more try

[unreal nova]

Steam error at 9:30 am is weird. Maintainence be like 3 hours back.

[unreal nova]

Do you have a wire?

Just to rule out wifi being spotty.

[quick seal]

Yeah I’ll try restarting both my wifi and my computer but I do not have a Ethernet cord, so… ☹️

i have a good feeling about this

[tall torrent]

I'm still upset over ur friend just randomly jumping in and trolling

[unreal nova]

Move closer to the router?

[unreal nova]

Assuming another room.

[quick seal]

these are my strange new errors collection. My screenshot of errors that I've hitherto never even seen before

[faint beacon]

Are you having a storm in your area

[quick seal]

nah it's clear 👀 ☁️

it's good now though

i'm in game

watching bath.rawr play

doing his power sword thing

doing his tempestus scion stuff

[unreal nova]

Is Path, he shows up and IDK why I'm there anymore lul.

[loud belfry]

average wifi experience

[quick seal]

YEAHHHHH!

Woohoo!

@tall torrent can't thank you enough

[tall torrent]

unreal difficulty

[tall torrent]

all good

[unreal nova]

Lul.

[quick seal]

sorry for taking up all your time this evening lol

thanks again for carrying me

[tall torrent]

it's fine

[quick seal]

shoutout to all the veterans #veteran-class

thanks again

you the boss

[formal hamlet]

Is there any punishment if the team extracts but I don't since nobody went to rez me?

[hollow ibex]

damage to your ego, but otherwise no

[formal hamlet]

My ego was very much damaged.

Thought I had things under control so I didn't activate my skill, hit 3 to use my medi stim I had found, I whipped out a book instead. Totally forgot I picked up that piece of shit 5 minutes ago, so got whacked and died.

Skill cooldowns are fast, I need to stop being so stingy with them.

[hollow ibex]

oof

[formal hamlet]

And nobody went to res me even though I got these guys up like 100 (more like 6) times.

But hey so long as I still get my extraction rewards it's all good I guess.

[hollow ibex]

yeah i usually don't mind the team extracting if rescuing me would jeopardize the mission

or if i'm just too far away

[formal hamlet]

In this case it wouldn't have, but it's also not worth the minimal risk if we lose nothing so I understand.

[hollow ibex]

still get all the resources anyway

[hollow ibex]

ah in those cases i'd usually go back

but yeah it's not a big deal

[formal hamlet]

I'm playing with randoms and the team was going down a lot so I think they were like "not risking it after all that crap" which is fair lol.

[hollow ibex]

yeah better safe than sorry

[quick seal]

anyone that uses bolt pistol a lot want to explain this? I'm trying to learn more about the bolt pistol

Why is collateral the dump stat for the bolt pistol?
here's another guide I found (https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da01edf-f8d2-4364-9ae1-19595f9feba2/big-doms-grenade-veteran-havoc-40-team-build) that depicts reload speed as the dump stat

I was thinking, of all stats, probably stability is the least important? I would think stability (since it fires relatively slowly) would probably be less important that reload speed

[hollow ibex]

because collat does literally nothing for bistol

[pseudo fiber]

Because collateral on Bolt pistol doesn't help reach any essential break points. Unlike bolter which does make a difference.

[quick seal]

oh

that is disapointing