what about unyielding/monstrosities
#veteran-class
crude star
austere mica
8.4 second crusher/mauler test
tall torrent
Very fair and balanced
U have to be smoking a special kind of crack if you think psyker ranged anti-carapace is better than their melee anti-carapace
tall torrent
what about unyielding/monstrosities
Depends
Usually melee
There’re a few ranged weapons good at it
austere mica
Obs going from bad to top tier
Beating the middle child allegations so hard you become top tier
crude star
i was mostly using helbore + power sword, cuz i randomly got a perfect helbore, but then i randomly got a perfect recon and i was like 'eh i'll try it' even if it's not the usual archetype i go for. Doin a buncha lasguns on vet before i move on to different weapons on arbites
muted peak
I cant find anything related to blessings there?
And I don't know if thats my issue but there is no classification
Should I just swipe down to see what I am looking for untill I see it?
crude star
you go to the weapon you're looking for, and it'll have the perks and the blessings under each mark
crude star
oh, it looks all wonky
muted peak
Yeah I think the file got smooched when I tried to open
crude star
it's above the important talennts, there it says headtaker and slaughterer
muted peak
I'm away from my pc so don't want to be bored
crude star
or thrust on the other mark
muted peak
it's above the important talennts, there it says headtaker and slaughterer
So they are the recommended blessings?
crude star
yep, and the stuff right above those are the perks
muted peak
Thank you buddy but I have another issue
I tried rebless my weapon but It said the blessing was not available
crude star
get yer mastery up i guess
muted peak
So do I have to open every single blessing by upgrading each weapon sodo I get them?
crude star
yeah, get yer mastery up so you can unlock the blessings to put in
muted peak
This chart?
tame lodge
Yeah
You can download it or view in new tab
tame lodge
Same thing for the weapon image
tame lodge
Yeah I don't know why it does that
muted peak
Yeah I don't know why it does that
Minor inconvience when you are dealing with word files
I hate word files
hollow ibex
This chart?
Oh yeah you'll need to download as PDF to view it properly on mobile I'm afraid
tall torrent
Maniac
Flak
Headtaker
Slaughterer
For both
crude star
earlier in the guide he explains all the abbreviations
muted peak
Bc is block cancel
Okay thank you
crude star
such a wordy guide, but thorough. Pretty open about stuffs too
tall torrent
It is pretty condensed
hollow ibex
Which chaxe were you guys running?
narrow frost
Which chaxe were you guys running?
4
severe jolt
Yeah I don't know why it does that
Mobile sites do all sorts of shit like that, even more than desktop versions of sites. Often it's enough to remove the "m." at the start of a URL to make it load the desktop version of the site instead. That is, if the site itself doesn't provide with the option to use the desktop version to begin with(many do)
tall torrent
Yeah I don't know why it does that
Mobile version is wack
And unfortunately the steam guide won’t fix that issue
narrow frost
Havoc gaming
all 4 have revive shout
rule is we can not manually revive
only can use shout
grand perch
my honest reaction
serene bough
rule is we can not manually revive
This doesn't sound very challenging tbh but I respect the meme
sudden cedar
@narrow frost So every Veteran was just yelling at the downed one to get his karking stuff together and get back up?
narrow frost
yes
sudden cedar
Your duty is not done, now get up!
narrow frost
and all Dbarrel
sudden cedar
Sounds like fun
sage cairn
tried out the P.Sword some more after some tweaks and fixing curious
it really is life changing after learning to animation cancel the special
pallid jetty
for the past few days i really liked playing small lasgun vet with devil claw sword
just shooting shooters
and specials
CoD build
pallid jetty
frag > krak
sage cairn
bleedy bois
pallid jetty
bleed is just a good bonus
sage cairn
I see
pallid jetty
and bleed works only if you throw like at least 2 grenades
pallid jetty
have been fun for me with the lasgun build
taking cover, doing headshots
not being op and killing everything is fun
sharp epoch
I like recon lasgun for that type of build
pallid jetty
i let my team to deal with bosses and armor enemies
sharp epoch
works up to havoc then you basically need to be able to kill armor on your own or your dead
pallid jetty
darktide makes it super fun if you want to watch back
it actually sucks that most people dont use cover in the game
even tho the tutorial teaches you to do so
sharp epoch
other classes its more effective to run straight at shooters/gunners or you'll just be pinned down
sage cairn
it actually sucks that most people dont use cover in the game
having played all class, I do agree. Zealot wants to dive in, Psyker often have bubbles, Ogryn and Vet are ones that usually need cover. I like Cover and Gun tactics with Vet. Ogryn, I need like lots of things to hit or I become a Gunner's meal.
sudden cedar
Every class will benefit from cover when it is raining bullets.
severe jolt
it's crazy how many don't have the instinct to do it
is this their first FPS game?
sudden cedar
Maybe?
spring ocean
likely the case
I know alot of people that have played darktide have never played vermintide in any capacity, and only got darktide because it's 40k and you can play as an ogryn
sage cairn
it's crazy how many don't have the instinct to do it
is this their first FPS gam...
honestly from my experience, yep! first FPS.
I often avoided any shooters except Warframe but its 3ps.
DT has been my general exposure for fps.
sudden cedar
There is a lot of shooting involved, but more melee combat too.
In fact, you have to learn both or you will just kiss the ground a lot.
placid igloo
Can anyone provide me with a link to a good smoke vet build?
Or should I grab the big Dom special?
pallid jetty
Grab Small sub common 
grand nymph
Whats the best mission if I need long range kills?
supple laurel
@tropic halo hey can i dm you i found someone with a hilarious name i just cant post it here
its actually comically genius
tropic halo
<@457889966798929930> hey can i dm you i found someone with a hilarious name i j...
Yeah sure thing, I dont mind it 
Curious to see
supple laurel
Yeah sure thing, I dont mind it <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
alr check dms
tall torrent
what's everyone's choice of Nades though
Frag is the strongest
The other 2 are situational
undone vector
Is the tag middle tree not good?
nimble wadi
For recon it’s good too
hallow drift
having played all class, I do agree. Zealot wants to dive in, Psyker often have ...
Fellow slab, allow me to introduce you to the Steady Grip node 
Absolutely elite snag for being at the very top of the tree
undone vector
been using bolt pistal mainly
hollow ibex
Fellow slab, allow me to introduce you to the Steady Grip node <:ogryn_pathetic:...
Literally CAB but better
uncut pebble
Oops! All veteran!
grand nymph
Anyone got any tips for the Be Methodical penance? Can't seem to get enough elites to replenish volley fire
crisp wraith
I’d add the other node next to exec’s stance that highlights regular shooters too, gives you more targets
grand nymph
Does that mean regular enemies replenish the stance too? Not quite sure
crisp wraith
Regular enemies armed with ranged weapons, yes
Basically, any enemy that’s highlighted will extend the timer
grand nymph
I see, should I also try and solo missions? team usually obliterates everyone before I get the full 20s
crisp wraith
Solo will put you in with bots that you’d have even less of a control over, unless you try and kill them and leave yourself on your own completely
grand nymph
Aren't bots worse than actual players tho? So they should be getting less kills and more for me no?
crisp wraith
Yes, but unlike other players, they stick by you at all times, so if you can shoot an enemy, so can they, other players have the odds of being in the wrong place or facing the wrong way to the enemy
grand nymph
Guess I just gotta keep spamming missions and praying then
crisp wraith
Yeah, that’s usually how penances go
grand nymph
Do you recommend heresy or damnation for potentially more elites?
crisp wraith
If you have that shooter node active, you just need a lot of shooting enemies, not specifically elite, so either of those difficulties are good, but naturally heresy and damnation have more enemy spawns, more enemies = more possible shooters
Just wait until you see a big group of people shooting at your squad to activate it and if you’re lucky, you’ll get it eventually
grand nymph
Gotcha ty
tall torrent
I see, should I also try and solo missions? team usually obliterates everyone be...
I can help
grand nymph
I can help
Ah no worries it just took a lot of tries with randoms ty tho
sour badger
Hello there
I no speak english
"Could someone help me complete the penance 'Make Every Shot Count'? I would really appreciate your help."
Alguien aquí habla español??
long dove
should I go 2 health curios and 1 toughness or 2 toughness and 1 health?
hollow ibex
either will work
it's helpful in aurics/AM to have >200hp
to tank bursters/snipers
long dove
so roughly 200? Like close?
hollow ibex
specifically above 200
long dove
can you hit 200 with a single health curio?
hollow ibex
can you hit 200 with a single health curio?
yes, but will need to take 3x health perks on your curios
so it limits your perk optionsa a bit
long dove
what perks should I have?
I have some sprint efficiency and a stamina regen
2 gunners and 1 sniper
and a ability cooldown
sour badger
https://discord.gg/756JnG3Man
Thank you
hollow ibex
3x sprint efficiency, the rest can go into hp/toughness/gunner or sniper resist/ordo dockets/cdr
long dove
the toughness can reduce damage from gunners and sniper pretty well right?
cosmic aurora
Do I really need the improves grenade perk for krak grenades?
hollow ibex
the toughness can reduce damage from gunners and sniper pretty well right?
gunners yes, snipers will skip your toughness unless you have piss toughness up
long dove
wait so sniper bypasses toughness?
hollow ibex
yes, and bursters too
which is why hp still matters even though vet has a lot of synergies with toughness
long dove
So 200 preferably
got it
So 1 sniper, 3 sprint, 3 health, and maybe 2 toughness/cdr?
for curio perks?
tall torrent
So 200 preferably
it's nice but not required
hollow ibex
So 1 sniper, 3 sprint, 3 health, and maybe 2 toughness/cdr?
Yeah that's good
hollow ibex
it's nice but not required
Very nice in pubbies. Doesn't matter much if premade, assuming you can trust your team
cunning haven
thanks for this advice. it works extremely well with power sword. the push + activation is near instant which also makes the stabbing combo very quick. using this has greatly improved my survivability and ability to stand my ground. knowing i can have powered stabs near instantly has also helped fighting captains even if the weapon is not ideal
tall torrent
thanks for this advice. it works extremely well with power sword. the push + act...
uh
what I meant was
remember that "pushing but not doing push attack" is a thing
but glad it works out well for u
tropic notch
Wonder what’ll be the next vet weapon
sonic kayak
cryonic rod
long dove
Gimme the long las
hollow ibex
vacuum capsule
orchid hemlock
long dove
vacuum capsule
Yes.
cosmic aurora
Is the krak grenade upgrade worth it? Like will they still kill without it?
uncut pebble
wait so sniper bypasses toughness?
Yes and no. They have 4x damage to toughness. The only thing that stops a sniper from dealing hp damage is gold toughness.
faint beacon
Wonder what’ll be the next vet weapon
If its not a Melee I would at least like a Helgun/Light Stubber
but I think Vet needs a melee first
uncut pebble
Is the krak grenade upgrade worth it? Like will they still kill without it?
Kraks without tinkerer won't oneshot bulwarks, which is the main thing you throw them at.
nimble wadi
Yes and no. They have 4x damage to toughness. The only thing that stops a sniper...
Oh hello ice cream sundae frog it's weird seeing you in vet chat
faint beacon
Kraks without tinkerer won't oneshot bulwarks, which is the main thing you throw...
Hear me out
uncut pebble
Oh hello ice cream sundae frog it's weird seeing you in vet chat
No, it's weird seeing me in ogryn chat.
cosmic aurora
Kraks without tinkerer won't oneshot bulwarks, which is the main thing you throw...
Thank you!
nimble wadi
No, it's weird seeing me in ogryn chat.
We're not in ogryn chat 
uncut pebble
FT Tag + Krak
True, focus target is capable of making you not need tinkerer.
But like, who takes the time to ping a bulwark when they throw a krak?
uncut pebble
We're not in ogryn chat <:PES_Think:639363477458255874>
The point has flown over your head.
nimble wadi
The point has flown over your head.
uncut pebble
(I'm saying it's not weird seeing me here, I speak here a lot)
faint beacon
Not really often but I mean you actually talk in here unlike Ogryn Chat
tall torrent
Yes and no. They have 4x damage to toughness. The only thing that stops a sniper...
They don’t
They have 10x damage to toughness
And full spillover
uncut pebble
They don’t
They have 10x damage to toughness
Ok well the point is the only thing saving you is gold toughness.
I'll amend my information in future, thanks Path.
uncut pebble
Not really often but I mean you actually talk in here unlike Ogryn Chat
My activity is mainly in zeal chat, then here, then educating the unwashed masses of psyker chat (why does everyone take the fucking quell/gen toughness talents on gunker), and almost never in ogryn chat unless I'm asking a question.
elder vessel
but I think Vet needs a melee first
Veteran Spear
uncut pebble
Veteran Spear
If zealout does not get the first polearm or one of the first polearms in a batch (like how zeal and psyker got greatswords at the same time) I will riot.
nimble wadi
(I'm saying it's not weird seeing me here, I speak here a lot)
Oh
nimble wadi
If zealout does not get the first polearm or one of the first polearms in a batc...
Rioting is violent and socially unacceptable
uncut pebble
Rioting is violent and socially unacceptable
That's the point.
elder vessel
If zealout does not get the first polearm or one of the first polearms in a batc...
hmmmm no
you are incorrect
spear is a soldier thing not a crazy person thing
uncut pebble
spear is a soldier thing not a crazy person thing
Your first mistake is thinking that agitator and judge are crazy.
elder vessel
they totally are
uncut pebble
Fanatic absolutely is but agitator and judge are not.
tall torrent
(They are)
uncut pebble
Ok then how are they crazy?
elder vessel
Your first mistake is thinking that agitator and judge are crazy.
Lies of the heretic type falsehood
uncut pebble
Because, to me, agitator just has a superiority complex, and judge is just religious.
grand perch
Judge is just the least crazy
uncut pebble
The guy who does flagellation as a pastime is “definitely not crazy”
You do know self flagellation is common, right?
hollow ibex
yeah i do it
faint beacon
My activity is mainly in zeal chat, then here, then educating the unwashed masse...
I literally only Take Quell/Peril Toughness Gen for making SG's literally free passive background toughness
uncut pebble
Like, in religious context.
grand perch
I'm doing it right now
uncut pebble
The Christians and Catholics used to do it a lot way back when, and self flagellation was even practiced in Japan up until the 16th century. (I believe they were the last to do that)
tall torrent
You do know self flagellation is common, right?
Religiously yes
But doing it as “their favourite pastime” is a bit much
faint beacon
Also I may or may not had a scenario where i was forced into a clutch and had to solo for over like
7 minutes
and yeah honestly seeing the players just were not carrying there weight after that I just dipped
cause I clutched
uncut pebble
Religiously yes
But doing it as “their favourite pastime” is a bit much
Ok I can see where that part would be considered a little crazy.
faint beacon
just all that work for so little didn't feel good
uncut pebble
But in warhammer context, I don't see that as crazy.
That's fairly normal as far as the pious are concerned.
uncut pebble
Also I may or may not had a scenario where i was forced into a clutch and had to...
I can see where the free background toughness would be useful but scriers also gives you an insane amount of killing power at all ranges. Seems like it's only really useful in that specific scenario.
tall torrent
Veteran is unfortunately not made for clutching
faint beacon
literally make it a better EStance
tall torrent
Gotta waste ult for toughness
faint beacon
I did it without taking any HP Damage shockingly
but it was a lot of
Going forward
running back
repeat
tall torrent
Yea
faint beacon
Didn't fucking help it was a gun seed on Consigment
tall torrent
What not having second wind does to clutching
faint beacon
and it was sheer and utter Stalker + Gunner + Reaper spam
Basically it was get stuck in corner
PRAY THE STALKERS GET CLOSER
or kill any special that even remotely thought of getting near me
Use ult to kill like maybe 1-2 reapers
repeat
tall torrent
Use ult to kill like maybe 1-2 reapers
Reaper takes 2x explosion damage btw
U can usually shut groups of them down well with grenades
faint beacon
My ass was NOT wasting Kraks on reapers when Bulwarks were in play also
but yeah fair point
tall torrent
oh with krak
tbh I still use krak for reaper if they're too far
those 1500 reaper kills aren't gonna get themselves done
fair river
stuck tree
🤫
grand perch
who says it doesnt lock like a nagant revolver so its suppressable
grand perch
sleek garden
Reaper takes 2x explosion damage btw
No wonder the sticky rumbler always one shots them
vapid thunder
@quiet valley what sight do u use on hellbore
crude star
help me pick a recon mark
tall torrent
help me pick a recon mark
VIc
crude star
it seemed like that one had the best numbers, guess i wans't just seeing things
quiet valley
<@195524192140132353> what sight do u use on hellbore
Default sights, MKIV has the best irons
vapid thunder
Default sights, MKIV has the best irons
oh they dont all have the mk5 ones that u cant see past?
thank god
quiet valley
yeah the different mks have different sights
vapid thunder
how do i fix it
quiet valley
no idea try restarting your game
quiet valley
rip
uncut pebble
Seen it happen with staffs a lot
?
Staves are all different weapons, not different models of the same weapon.
quiet valley
?
Seen staffs not swapping after loading into a mission after swapping weapon
idk why it was specifically staves
vapid thunder
thats a completely different issue
hollow ibex
chaxe really feels like shit to use
esp when the entire team is ogryn/psykers
i take 3 hits to kill a bruiser
an ogryn kills 3 bruisers in one hit
vapid thunder
isnt chaxe a notably bad weapon
hollow ibex
the dodges feel bad, the damage cap feels bad, taking 3 hits to kill a bruiser feels bad
the chain attack feels bad
severe zinc
I’m looking for a build for a recon esque veteran with a power sword and recon lasgun, any tips for that?
limpid reef
Can anyone just screenshot a build for me 🤣 that vet guide to crazy for my small brain and doesn’t transfer to my phone properly I’ll give you hugs and kisses
limpid reef
Can anyone just screenshot a build for me 🤣 that vet guide to crazy for my smal...
I can do havoc 40 with my 3 other classes just struggle with vet for some reason so bad
severe zinc
Can anyone just screenshot a build for me 🤣 that vet guide to crazy for my smal...
What kinda build you looking for? I’ve got a great sharpshooter and commander build
hollow ibex
Can anyone just screenshot a build for me 🤣 that vet guide to crazy for my smal...
try downloading as PDF
if you want a basic build, this works
hollow ibex
I’m looking for a build for a recon esque veteran with a power sword and recon l...
can just swap the rashad for PS
limpid reef
I like the voice of command ability and I’m currently rocking the plasma gun but getting rid of my power sword because it’s the worst weapon in the game 😤
vapid thunder
what blessings +perks on mk1 shovel
limpid reef
try downloading as PDF
Close to what mine was except I using krak grenades
odd girder
Which stat to dump for plasma gun?
limpid reef
Vet swings his sword like an idioooot
odd girder
what blessings +perks on mk1 shovel
I was using decimator and skull crusher with flak and unarmored perks
severe zinc
Which stat to dump for plasma gun?
I have mine at Thermal Resistance. Don’t need multiple shots if the most you need to kill something is 2.
narrow frost
Which stat to dump for plasma gun?
71 charge, 69 thermal
odd girder
Hmm i have mine as charge rate
vapid thunder
what weapons can oneshot a crusher
odd girder
Plasma gun to the head works
severe zinc
what weapons can oneshot a crusher
Hellebore can also do it. Not on its own of course, I’ve built my build around taking the heads off of anything that dares to show its face with that thing.
odd girder
71 charge, 69 thermal
Best i could get was 72 charge 69 thermal and 79 ammo 😦
grand perch
unplayable
hollow ibex
didn't top frag but think i held up pretty well for an ES revolver build, when the team comp was a zealot, an ogryn with the h40 title, and a voidblast psyker with the h40 title lol
vapid thunder
71 charge, 69 thermal
why so specific
hollow ibex
odd girder
The guide i was reading said gets hot and blaze away i was like wut?
Blaze away but i only had 1 - 2 shots per reload or venting
hollow ibex
are you running an unempowered gray plasma
odd girder
Yes?
dry cloak
thats your problem
hollow ibex
post your plasma
hollow ibex
that's prob why
odd girder
Previous was the same just dumped charge
hollow ibex
you got 32 thermal resist
odd girder
Yeah i need to max it for blaze away im assuming?
hollow ibex
blaze away doesn't impact the number of shots you can fire consecutively, it's just thermal resist
blaze away increases damage from spamming shots
odd girder
Im still really new so i dont know anything
dry cloak
left number is actual number of the stat you. while right number is the max it can be
odd girder
I got a zealot to 30 and than i made this vet lol
odd girder
To unarmored and flak? Which perks do you suggest?
tall torrent
odd girder
Yeah unarmored flak i was using the pinned guide that said any of those 4
vapid thunder
lvl 4 blessing only giving +10% crit chance at max is criminal wtf
odd girder
And damage
rigid rover
Anyone know if the Scion Helmet will come back into commodore vestures or nah?
tall torrent
Anyone know if the Scion Helmet will come back into commodore vestures or nah?
Possible
Don’t know when
rigid rover
Possible
Don’t know when
💔
tall torrent
lvl 4 blessing only giving +10% crit chance at max is criminal wtf
It’s up to +50% crit chance
signal zinc
I seriously don't get why anyone would use this gun
can someone show me the best stat roll version of this gun
grand perch
You're dismissing my favourite gun 
grand perch
It can one shot everything except crushers/bulwarks, maulers (which are 2 shots) and bosses
It has way better carapace damage
signal zinc
I certainly didn't feel that way using the thing
grand perch
It doesn't have reverse damage falloff and still kills everything at long range
gritty mural
you don't really need that much damage at a certain range
grand perch
you don't really need that much damage at a certain range
You don't want to be 2 shotting crushers before they ever become a problem?
glacial ferry
vigilant autogun especially on mmf vet is busted
signal zinc
Am I the only one who doesn't see the appeal of this thing
signal zinc
Fiine I'll get it to max level
grand perch
maybe this demonstration will whet your appetite
https://youtu.be/brCRv8rMgIY
though im close to deadshot memeing here (only 2 stamina curios) , this is my most used build across the entire playtime
dry cloak
Heh i started favouring the columnus vag more than bolter lately
vivid silo
Yeah i need to max it for blaze away im assuming?
I would advise against Blaze Away till you are more experienced, since I would assume hitting headshots with the delay whilst firing quickly enough to not let Blaze Away stacks drop isn't the easiest thing in the world. Rising Heat is much simpler to use and a good starting point.
normal bay
though im close to deadshot memeing here (only 2 stamina curios) , this is my mo...
How much is deadshot helping here? 
signal zinc
maybe this demonstration will whet your appetite
https://youtu.be/brCRv8rMgIY
Cool but mine doesn't do that
In fact it's not even close to doing that
hidden badge
The vig is really only worth anything if you take marksman and voc is the meta for a reason. Personally? I think the vig beats the helbore, but you do have to reload the vig and the ammo capacity is quite low. All the las rifles and pistol are better ultimately along with the bolt options and plasma rifle, but it absolutely is still an A tier gun arguably better than the revolver now
dry cloak
How much is deadshot helping here? <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
It does help into carapce with deadly accurate
dry cloak
The vig is really only worth anything if you take marksman and voc is the meta f...
Vag benefits from exe stance a lot
hidden badge
Vag benefits from exe stance a lot
Yeah, exe is just unfortunately still such a waste to take in hav40 since voc keeps your party alive and the damage isn't that significant of a difference between the two with a meta gun like the plasma rifle
I am tired of the hav40 meta, but it is what it is. Aur damn is more fun to play typically these days for me since I don't have to meta whore and save my ass in the event of the game director being an asshole.
signal zinc
anyways this is what I named it
hidden badge
It is a fun gun and does reward good accuracy, but yeah just wish the havoc meta actually allowed more weapons and builds
grand perch
How much is deadshot helping here? <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
You have to wait for fewer surgical stacks to guarantee crit, which is needed for rager and mutant oneshot and when rapid firing into bosses
dry cloak
Yeah, exe is just unfortunately still such a waste to take in hav40 since voc ke...
Havoc has its own rules
normal bay
You have to wait for fewer surgical stacks to guarantee crit, which is needed fo...
So patience then
My true enemy
dry cloak
Then use thw burst one with headhunter
grand perch
Deadshot allows you to be a bit impatient though. Instead of waiting for surgical you could just shoot immediately and hope for the crit.
steep flower
It is a fun gun and does reward good accuracy, but yeah just wish the havoc meta...
It already did by nerfing range units & increasing ammo gain on pickup wdym
uncut pebble
It can one shot everything except crushers/bulwarks, maulers (which are 2 shots)...
It has awful maniac damage.
It wants maniac + elites if you want to have a decent kill time vs dreg ragers.
grand perch
It wants maniac + elites if you want to have a decent kill time vs dreg ragers.
did you see my video? i do use maniac
uncut pebble
I didn't watch it, no.
steep flower
Which melee do you like on vet?
Chainaxe
normal bay
Brutal momentum on that?
Slaughter + headtaker for mkiv
Chainaxe doesn't have brutal momentum
dry pivot
Ah
I did like the idea of combat axe
I have played with brutal momentum on ogryn and, not bad
Might try out the shovel helbore build
With the blessing it's sort of guaranteed crits and if you crit it's like free ammo-wise
dry pivot
I think I like a head slicer
frank basin
Taxe, Psword, Shock Maul, Mk1 Shovel, those are ballers
some say shovel are meh
odd girder
Im using shock maul and dunno what to use for blessings
dry pivot
I think the folding shovel thing sounds nice
supple stag
It's mediocre imo
dry pivot
It always had good stagger more than damage
frank basin
two those guy said PS are real vet melee
dry pivot
I loved old power sword
But maybe still it's alright with power cycler
Assault shield would be nice on vet
frank basin
it's always power cycler
dry pivot
We used to have more activated attacks without power cycler... but then we also had a much worse rng weapon system
normal bay
Cba to slap the power button every 3 swings
dry pivot
Yeah I get the feeling lol
I want to pull the melee out and it's instantly effective or at least fully powered in a few kills
Sometimes you really do need to melee on a dime
midnight wyvern
would be cool if it came out powered, or you could power it on its way out
like how the GS on Psyker and Zealot have unique draw attacks (or atleast the psyker one does) you could charge the power sword when drawing it in a similar way
steep flower
Slaughter + headtaker for mkiv
Or bloodletter & thunderous; make it work as intended
steep flower
Im using shock maul and dunno what to use for blessings
Hammerstrike & skullcrusher is good combo
steep flower
Assault shield would be nice on vet
Arbites will have shield & shockmaul weapon; maybe usable for vet & zealot (atleast for vet)
steep flower
like how the GS on Psyker and Zealot have unique draw attacks (or atleast the ps...
Make a blessing that makes it charged when you swap to it with a cooldown; could be nice
dry pivot
Not too sure zealot would want to give up a stronger melee weapon
It'd be a bit redundant on psyker with their deflector blessing on force swords
If vet gets it then that's the ability to block ranged in higher difficulties, sorted
Even comes with a little revolver
stuck tree
bbq bacon burger
tame lodge
Barbequebaconburger
grand perch
Best we can do is corpse starch burger
sleek garden
Block bullets =exy stance+ghost/hit and run
severe jolt
I happened to have some burger buns and other stuff handy so I made one for lunch just now
with a fried egg and bbq drenched bacon
sonic kayak
I happened to have some burger buns and other stuff handy so I made one for lunc...
Well done, chef
nimble wadi
https://tenor.com/view/pink-cute-cats-gif-25168408
Cats can’t eat corn
stuck tree
Cats can’t eat corn
worthy terrace
been trying to find a good havoc 40 plasma build can anyone help plz ?
clever hedge
Tanner on YouTube has a good thorough build. Just mute the volume and be sure to get better stats on the palsma
tame lodge
tall torrent
been trying to find a good havoc 40 plasma build can anyone help plz ?
power sword VI
dump cleave target
carapace, elite
power cycler, brutal momentum
plasma gun
max dmg, stopping power and ammo
thermal resist 68~69%
charge rate 71~72%
unarmoured, flak
gets hot, rising heat
hard bay
Any tips and advice on doing the Adept Assassin penance? It's the last Veteran penance I have left until I've 100%-ed the class.
I've gotten 100 kills for it.
tame lodge
Zarona Revolver
I'm not so sure about Manstopper double barrel for this one
In theory it could infinite cleave and kill multiple elites/specials with a CRIT weakspot
tall torrent
Any tips and advice on doing the Adept Assassin penance? It's the last Veteran p...
zarona 2a revolver
and knife if u want
u just need crit-weakspot kill, doesn't say "ranged" crit-weakspot kill
hearty panther
tacaxe also pretty decent for it
void dragon
Question: is there a point on stealth veteran? I ask because it feels that the class doesn't feel that build for melee damage and the suppression of it feels like the smoke nades but without ammo needed. Sure is safer than Exe stance, but that can do marvels for some guns like Boltgun and Helbore (even if it feels that should give some toughness while it is active)
hearty panther
Objectives.
hollow ibex
Question: is there a point on stealth veteran? I ask because it feels that the c...
for the memes mostly for me
stealth does have good utility
sudden cedar
Infiltrate lets you dump all your aggro on the others in your squad, so they get fucked instead of you.
hard bay
I use Infiltrate to save downed/captured teammates.
sudden cedar
You could use Voice of Command to prevent them from getting downed in the first place.
Joking, it is a legitimate use, just like doing objectives.
hollow ibex
Infiltrate lets you dump all your aggro on the others in your squad, so they get...
fucking based
nimble wadi
Stealth is the coward’s way
severe jolt
bet your corpse is gonna look really brave with a knife stuck in its back
void dragon
Stealth is the coward’s way
Vet has lines signaling that they believe that's the right way, but I have issues figuring it's potential when it has so many nodes compared to the other skills all while it feels that the base form would need at least to have that extra damage build in.
grand perch
another juicy throat to slit
tall torrent
grand perch
looks good
void dragon
This having the crit chance of the weapon already makes it invaluable for me
tall torrent
melee weapons won't get breakpoint tables
I'm not dedicated enough to list cleave damage for all 6 armor types
void dragon
Vet melee is garbo anyway
tall torrent
15 ranged weapons left to go
void dragon
Path will beat ObeseFish with his guide before they Announce the Vet rework
sudden cedar
No hiding from Cadia's vengeance.
tall torrent
Path will beat ObeseFish with his guide before they Announce the Vet rework
gotta rework all melee weapons' formats in guide too
it'll take a while
besides I'm sure vet rework will be mostly talents
void dragon
besides I'm sure vet rework will be mostly talents
Still hoping that they make C.Shotguns and shock maul better in the Arbites patch, even if it makes your work harder
grand perch
besides I'm sure vet rework will be mostly talents
maybe theyll raise chink in the armour's rending effect to TWENTY rending whoah wow sounds
maybe 3 bleed stacks on serrated blade
tall torrent
maybe theyll raise chink in the armour's rending effect to TWENTY rending *whoah...
dumb idea but I think one of MF's subnodes should have the "fully reload gun on ult use" function
also
hollow ibex
dumb idea but I think one of MF's subnodes should have the "fully reload gun on ...
i really think free reloads just needs to be an ES subnode
tall torrent
i really think free reloads just needs to be an ES subnode
nah
make it a keystone so u have to spec ranged keystone to get it
but u can do it with all abilities
more interesting imo
cuz previously it was balanced by denying u counterfire (can't refresh volley fire timer)
hollow ibex
if ogryn can get a free reload baked into PBB
vet can get a free reload as part of ES, but at a 1 point cost or something
void dragon
Ogryn should NOT reload the rumbler on lucky bullet imo
hollow ibex
rather than being forced to take a specific keystone
hollow ibex
Ogryn should NOT reload the rumbler on lucky bullet imo
preaching to the choir
supple laurel
vet gotta be the most underpowered class now
hollow ibex
vet gotta be the most underpowered class now
vet will go from top 4 class to top 5 class on june 23rd 
supple laurel
vet will go from top 4 class to top 5 class on june 23rd <:thumbsup_ogryn:106345...
deadass 😂😭
void dragon
Arbites will be "Vet, but cooler and with dogo"
It will have no chance
All is lost
hollow ibex
i wonder if arbites will get power sword
void dragon
REPENT FOR YOUR SINS!!
void dragon
STOP RESISTING
"sir, he is not, in fact, resisting, he is ded"
hollow ibex
probably not
i fugging hope not
void dragon
https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-happy-accidents-joy-of-paint-painting-gif-135196...
"Sir, that's not an accident, we were here to kill him for tax evasion"
hollow ibex
unless there's lore reasons for them to not use PS
tall torrent
there isn't
hollow ibex
welp
tall torrent
they can technically get themselves storm bolters and heavy bolters if they wanted tbh
hollow ibex
are those human-usable weapons?
hollow ibex
they can technically get themselves storm bolters and heavy bolters if they want...
american cops a decade from now
faint beacon
You could have it as like anytime you gain 1 stack it gives X% of your stock ammo into your mag
Like always prepared
So it rewards you for hitting heads as well
tall torrent
pretty much nothing except mechanicus-gadgets are off the table for arbites' arsenal
and even mechanicus-gadgets are like
more for political reasons?
void dragon
But I imagine bolter guns would be mostly for vehicles unless the small huma-baby-size ones like the spear bolter
tall torrent
bolters are not made for anti-armor
they're made to kill normal things extra hard
melta and plasma are made for anti-armor
void dragon
But they use it on vehicles, at leas the tabletop game said so
sudden cedar
Extreme Overkill to make everyone that survives get the message.
hollow ibex
but that's why the cops gotta level up their gear
grand perch
dumb idea but I think one of MF's subnodes should have the "fully reload gun on ...
yes please
hollow ibex
so a decade from now, they're heavily armed enough that they can invade sovereign nations
void dragon
Extreme Overkill to make everyone that survives get the message.
The message being "pay your taxes OR ELSE!"
normal bay
The message being "pay your taxes OR ELSE!"
Or else what?
void dragon
Or else what? <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
Or else indeed Heretic
Pretty sure the A. Arbites would have its own set of tanks
sudden cedar
They do not, but make use of common imperial vehicles.
void dragon
So they can have some Leman Russ tanks
stoic thorn
Alr
Arbites can get Netters and Heavy Stubbers
If the Kill Team is anything to go off of
By webbers
I mean the Trappers Webber
sudden cedar
Including Rhinos, Repressors, Chimeras and Leman Russ Battle Tanks. They also make use of Valkyries and something called the Brawler T8, which is similar to the Vulture Gunship.
stoic thorn
The Kill Team one functions differently
It's been described to "fire paralysing chemicals"
sudden cedar
Sounds like an Imperial Guard Hellhound.
stoic thorn
As opposed to the net
stoic thorn
Sounds like an Imperial Guard Hellhound.
Hellhounds spray acid iirc
This one just stuns em
sudden cedar
Hellhound Variant.
stoic thorn
Considering it hits on 3s
I can assume it's a flamer esque firing mode
We could also get a leash thing for the dog
Maybe subclass
Leashmaster
Arbites also get a Grenade Launcher if it interests you
sudden cedar
For that, Subclasses would have to exist first and they don't really exist.
stoic thorn
For that, Subclasses would have to exist first and they don't really exist.
Like
The
Path thingies
grand perch
Hellhounds spray acid iirc
thats the bane wolf
sudden cedar
Perhaps yeah.
sudden cedar
We might get all sorts of things. Probably not.
void dragon
Still craving to know what skills the Warhammer Judges will have in game, one should probably give dog a bolter to fire while it's attacking
sudden cedar
You will know in roughly 12 days.
void dragon
You will know in roughly 12 days.
But I want to know it now 
stoppid calendar telling me is not Arbites time
stoic thorn
It sounds VERY much on the table
stoic thorn
IIRC rn they're just giving us
The Shotgun
Shotpistol
Assault Shield and Shock Maul
void dragon
guys what if arbites is just a 4th skill tree for vet
Vet is saved
sudden cedar
@grand perch The infamous Veteran Rework.
stoic thorn
The other obe
There is no other one
I don't think FS would like an Executioner Shotgun tho
Strobing Phospor Lumen sound like it would be a grenade option
Or an aura ability
sudden cedar
They'll just get the Duelling Sword and everyone will take it.
What? You know it's going to happen.
grand perch
nah
stoic thorn
GW probs won't let it happen
grand perch
im ready for them to throw their hands up and just nerf all DS adms into the ground and give it 0.5 cleave
stoic thorn
Please just buff the combat shotgun
sudden cedar
Combat Shotguns are viable weapons.
sudden cedar
Weak.
stoic thorn
By just letting us gain ammo from killing shotgunners in melee
tall torrent
By just letting us gain ammo from killing shotgunners in melee
Nah
It needs a lot more than just that
void dragon
Combat Shotguns are viable weapons.
C.shotguns need some help to feel that they are performing adequately
void dragon
Ew, why would someone do that?
sudden cedar
void dragon
One hand the damn thing
Heresy at it's finest
sudden cedar
@steep flower Combat Shotguns.
void dragon
It needs a lot more than just that
What are the C.Shotguns lacking? I know they don't feel right but not sure what exactly
stoic thorn
Gods worst ammo economy
stoic thorn
Because yall hitting the DS perc
sudden cedar
No.
Psyker had a Knife, i had a TacAxe and the Veteran had a Chainaxe.
No Duelling Sword necessary.
tall torrent
What are the C.Shotguns lacking? I know they don't feel right but not sure what ...
Hipfire is ass
Damage so inconsistent even I’m not bothered to list breakpoints for it
Headshot dependent
I actually don’t think ammo is that big of a deal, just the damage consistency needs to be way higher
If it had similar breakpoints as smth like boltpistol the ammo count is fine
sudden cedar
Essentially, the Kickback is what a shotgun should be like.
The Combat Shotguns are not like that.
stoic thorn
Also we need better sound design on it
I don't hear it racking
We don't even rack it
Shotgun magic
sudden cedar
Having more damage on the weakspots with a shotgun is.. not really what a shotgun should do.
void dragon
If it had similar breakpoints as smth like boltpistol the ammo count is fine
Many thanks good Sir
stoic thorn
Shotguns blow people's guts out and throws them to the next hab
tall torrent
Many thanks good Sir
The thing is
Ammo efficiency is basically equal to damage
And I think what combat shotguns lack are ammo efficiency, not ammo pool
stoic thorn
Considering fuckers can live through a plasma blast I'm assuming their guts are GONE
tall torrent
I don’t think any gun has outrageously low ammo pool, but a lot of them aren’t that great in ammo efficiency (which is often done for balance and it’s not done terribly imo)
Combat shotguns are by far the worst in that regard
sudden cedar
They live through a plasma blast because the game difficulty requires it to be so.
stoic thorn
Nerd
sudden cedar
It just is what more HP does.
supple laurel
what perk affects daemonhosts
(dont ask why i must ask this)
i think its unyielding?
grand perch
The thing is
Ammo efficiency is basically equal to damage
And I think what comb...
but ammo pool is somewhat equal to ammo efficiency. higher pool means higher pickups
so each individual shot has less cost
tall torrent
but ammo pool is somewhat equal to ammo efficiency. higher pool means higher pic...
I write that as "ammo sustain"
separate from "ammo efficiency"
grand perch
that sounds like hair splitting to me
tall torrent
because there's 1 gun with really high ammo efficiency but bad ammo sustain
brazen mural
What ranged weapons are good/get better by paring them with the falter blessing of the shock maul?
tall torrent
What ranged weapons are good/get better by paring them with the falter blessing ...
falter on shock maul only helps shock maul
brazen mural
Is it bugged?
tall torrent
Is it bugged?
no
brazen mural
I remember there being talk about falter, Hot Shot and Lethal Proximity being blessings you could put on a few of the ranged weapons, that would help other aspects of your build
severe jolt
I remember there being talk about falter, Hot Shot and Lethal Proximity being bl...
Falter goes mostly on ranged weapons, but somehow the shock maul also has it but its description is identical even though it's a melee weapon.
It's just a fatshark moment.
brazen mural
Hmm, I am pretty certain that there was a shock maul blessing that was referred to as one of those "unique blessings". Might have been theory's that it would help ranged weapons when people saw the description. I no joke got the tip about faulter being able to help ranged weapons from this server, Ibelive it was in Jan or Feb.
Well, if it is a FatShark moment..
tame lodge
Yeah they just ported the description of ranged weapons when falter was sent to Smaul
brazen mural
It would be cool if we had more blessings that interacted with other things than the weapon they are stuck to
severe jolt
Hmm, I am pretty certain that there was a shock maul blessing that was referred ...
Well you'd think that, if you believed fatshark's lies, but I field tested it myself once and saw no noticeable difference in ranged stagger between falter on maul vs no falter on maul
brazen mural
Makes sense, I must have been hearing about it before lot's of people had tested it/knew it not to be true
There must be some juicy weapon combos for the Hellbore with Hot Shot? I can imagine the Heavy Sword would benefit from it?
Maybe even the combat axes? Or do they get to much cleave then?
If combined with deathblow/brutal momentum^^
hollow ibex
There must be some juicy weapon combos for the Hellbore with Hot Shot? I can ima...
Not really tbh lol
tame lodge
Maybe even the combat axes? Or do they get to much cleave then?
Combat Axes yeah
brazen mural
Shovel must benefit from it, it has nice wide arcs for headshots
tame lodge
You could suddenly kill 6 or more trash horde
Instead of the casual 4
And yeah Hotshot Shovel is a thing
hollow ibex
You could suddenly kill 6 or more trash horde
Wdym
On antax or something? Cuz on Rashad it won't do anything
tame lodge
Yes it would
1.5 base cleave
1.25 mass reduced by 80% is 0.25
0.25 times 6 is 1.5
So the first 4 targets takes full damage
The 5th target takes 2nd target damage
2nd target damage is pretty high on Rashad
6th target takes 3rd target damage
hollow ibex
Oh right it's the achlys that has less than 1 cleave
Still wouldn't bother with it
The build to make it work is going to be very fucking ass to play
For what. So you can hit two extra poxxers, maybe?
tame lodge
Headtaker sends that cleave to ~1.8
0.25 times 7 is 1.75
Times 8 is 2
Now the thing is
What's the minimum cdd for Rashad
The 3rd target damage with Headtaker is ~200
And I have no info on the 4th target damage
So it either defaults to 33 or 66
Or the third target damage is the minimum, which is pretty high so I assume it's not
hollow ibex
Realistically you prob won't get that much utility given the attack angles
loud belfry
hollow ibex
On top of all the shitty compromises you'll need to make on the talent tree
tiny junco
i just got out of a mort trial and the rng gods blessed me with pinpoint volley and every single damage buff i can imagine
idk what to say other than i busted so hard when i hit round 12
tame lodge
<:shadowfear:939724206415945779><a:Peepo_MathsConfusedThink:850363839954550845>
What?
It's pretty easy
All you need is information that isn't present in-game
hollow ibex
I've also tried shovel hotshot and it felt like ass too
tall torrent
Hmm, I am pretty certain that there was a shock maul blessing that was referred ...
falter only helps the weapon it's equipped on
and its tooltip in game is pretty bad
tall torrent
Do you know the Rashad's minimum cleave damage?
I kinda don't care
it's entirely dependent on BM
tame lodge
Figured you'd say that
My best guest is that it would default to ~66 at the 4th target
Or 33
supple laurel
which malice maps have a daemonhost
every fucking map i play on doesnt
tryna get a clip of oneshotting a daemonhost
loud belfry
more likely on higher difficulty
might as well use the mod to spawn creatures in psykhanium
supple laurel
more likely on higher difficulty
can only hit bossbreakpoints on lower
supple laurel
might as well use the mod to spawn creatures in psykhanium
not as fun
loud belfry
pray
tame lodge
It's rng with more chances of spawning at higher diffs
The alternative is
Lights Out missions
There's like 3 DH there
supple laurel
It's rng with more chances of spawning at higher diffs
oh
thought it was guaranteed 1 on malice, 2 on heresy, 3 on damnation
tame lodge
There's at least 1 guaranteed boss at Damnation
Then you either roll for a second boss or a patrol
agile forge
What is a patrol, mechanically?
is that when you get the big value multipack of crushers?
tame lodge
Yes that's one of the fifteen patrol comps iirc
If they aren't aggro'd you can hear their march and chant
severe jolt
Lights Out missions
dude that's a bad idea
if you wanna make a video clip
then you don't want it to be all dark
tame lodge
When a horde spawns it aggros present enemies, patrols included
sudden cedar
The scariest patrol is the Reaper patrol
You get like 6+ Reapers
Not much of an issue if you run into it, but if it catches you unawares.. yeah.
tame lodge
Yes that's one of the fifteen patrol comps iirc
Oh yeah they removed bulwark patrols comp
Woe 6 shields upon ye
severe jolt
Not much of an issue if you run into it, but if it catches you unawares.. yeah.
yep that's very much a "I hope I saw them before they saw me" situation
sudden cedar
It is one scary sound when they all rack up their guns at the same time
agile forge
Doesn't matter, that patrol sucked
Bulwark stack is the absolute best
tame lodge
Specially with the invisible shield hit box
agile forge
they actually become scary
supple laurel
got it 
loud belfry
an interesting form of one shotting
supple laurel
an interesting form of one shotting
okay bad wording on my part but yk what i mean now lol
i dont think theres a build for any class in the game that has a build capable of oneshoting a boss with a ranged weapon
supple laurel
you can do it in one volley from an agripinaa revolver iirc?
well yeah
i mean kill a boss with one magazine
but i mean one bullet just now
i just had bad wording on my part previously, meant in one magazine
agile forge
Yeah, that'd probably not be particularly healthy for the game if you could lol
supple laurel
probably not lmao
agile forge
eh, you used to be able to do a monster without reloading on achlys twin stubber
with burny PBB
but part of it was using your ability to autoreload lol
maybe perfectionism gunker can do it with a vraks 5 or some other massive bosskiller?
supple laurel
might be
best build i have is on what i just showed though
best build i know of atleast
supple laurel
drop the build plz
you need to use executioners stance and a combat stim together. you can oneshot a demonhost if you get enough headshots on malice, as for heresy i dont know and i doubt on damnation
sleek garden
Oh it's in malice
supple laurel
youll still have good boss damage otherwise but you wont be able to magdump a boss and kill it within one mag
supple laurel
Oh it's in malice
yeah i wasnt able to make a build that could within one mag on any higher difficulty
i could probably try with something with focus target
tall torrent
you need to use executioners stance and a combat stim together. you can oneshot ...
this can be made better for boss killing
supple laurel
this can be made better for boss killing
yeah taking focus target helps
actually removes the need for a combat stim
tall torrent
yeah taking focus target helps
nah
take red nodes
marksman + CQKZ
and FTE
no reason to take born leader if u go exe stance
severe jolt
an interesting form of one shotting
veteran only shot one magazine? isn't that one shot? ogryn is confused...
supple laurel
@worthy terrace let me work on the build more before you do anything
i can probably improve it alot i forgot about alot of important nodes
worthy terrace
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1259289688955424798/Wa...
what difficulty?
tall torrent
what difficulty?
damnation scaling
60k unyielding health
worthy terrace
damnation scaling
60k unyielding health
love trying new builds so thank you
supple laurel
love trying new builds so thank you
same bolter run this instead
oneshots on damnation
well, yk what i mean by oneshot
hollow ibex
same bolter run this instead
GBITF is ass
strange crow
Wait so path.exe is this is no longer the way to go for exec stance bolter?
hollow ibex
And don't take 8 stacks
tall torrent
Wait so path.exe is this is no longer the way to go for exec stance bolter?
I have smth a little bit diff rn but overall core is the same
strange crow
I have smth a little bit diff rn but overall core is the same
Ah ok do u mind sharing the updated build?
supple laurel
And don't take 8 stacks
?????
hollow ibex
Rending is also not worth on bolter
tall torrent
Ah ok do u mind sharing the updated build?
this is with tac axe 2/7 + boltgun
grand perch
always has been
tall torrent
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1259289688955424798/Wa...
this didn't have 8 stacks fyi
supple laurel
Rending is also not worth on bolter
no better node came to mind to get honestly
hollow ibex
no better node came to mind to get honestly
Especially not at the expense of redirect fire
tall torrent
no better node came to mind to get honestly
both other picks are better lol
hollow ibex
both other picks are better lol
True
strange crow
same bolter run this instead
What melee are u using to need the stam regen node?
supple laurel
yeah what the fuck does GBITF stand for
strange crow
Get back in the fight
hollow ibex
Catch a Breath>>>>>>gbitf
supple laurel
What melee are u using to need the stam regen node?
havent decided yet
strange crow
havent decided yet
Then why stam regen node?
tall torrent
this is with tac axe 2/7 + boltgun
@strange crow this one is not made for boss bursting (no red nodes)
supple laurel
Then why stam regen node?
i will change it in a minute bro
tall torrent
if u want to burst boss, swap back to heavy sword, drop 3 points on right, and get marksman
tall torrent
I don't think boss burst is worth that much for base game
strange crow
Agreed
tall torrent
u usually don't get long enough dps window to 1 mag boss
and u don't need marksman to 2 mag bosses if u get dps windows
supple laurel
u usually don't get long enough dps window to 1 mag boss
if you know of a build that doesnt require exe stance then you could use voc to get that window
tall torrent
if you know of a build that doesnt require exe stance then you could use voc to ...
or just nade
but it's not that worth most of the time
bosses are not threatening enough in base game
hollow ibex
I don't think boss burst is worth that much for base game
It's very funny though
supple laurel
or just nade
find nades to be too inconsistent sometimes
tall torrent
find nades to be too inconsistent sometimes
no, u just need to understand the stagger radius
frag can only stagger boss in its blast center (~2m radius)
so u frag at ur feet and wait for boss to get close to u
brazen mural
It's very funny though
This is why Bounty Hunter in VT2 with his "fak off gun" was class
strange crow
This is why Bounty Hunter in VT2 with his "fak off gun" was class
HOLY JUSTICE
elder vessel
TWICE THE GLORY
strange crow
DEAD, NOT ALIVE
elder vessel
FALL FOUL ABOMINATION
supple laurel
frag can only stagger boss in its blast center (~2m radius)
okay ig i just have a skill issue then
supple stag
SIGMAR BLESS THIS SHOT
supple laurel
i might try a stealth build honestly
tall torrent
okay ig i just have a skill issue then
sudden cedar
FACE HOLY RETRIBUTION
supple laurel
https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572
@tall torrent got a stealth vet node build?
i dont know shit about stealth for vet
supple laurel
whats wrong with stealth vets?
supple laurel
Stealth actively hurts your team and your learning of game functions
okay sure im bored though
either i get hired, or i play stealth vet because im bored 
tame lodge
Turn 1 aggro dump
Turn 1 aggro dump
And once again for good sake
Turn 1 aggro dump
narrow frost
I love agro dump!!!!
grand perch
narrow frost
I love being slotted!!!!
grand perch
(if you know this icon youre probably old)
supple laurel
nah whats worse stealth vets or stealth zealots
ive never really had any serious issues with either really so
in game atleast
tame lodge
Stealth zealots are often associated with speedrunner loner goes down once and quit zealot
narrow frost
Sally moment
supple laurel
Stealth zealots are often associated with speedrunner loner goes down once and q...
okay what about stealth vets
from my experience they just seem generally ass at the game
die to hordes bad
grand perch
Sally moment
narrow frost
So real
hollow ibex
pay 2 point tax to not use VoC
But grenadier
grand perch
its hard being the protagonist in a world of bots
narrow frost
I had a havoc 40 pub look at a teammate's build said "are you a real person?" Then jump off the map
supple laurel
But grenadier
demonlition stockpile/team (if on havoc)
hollow ibex
demonlition stockpile/team (if on havoc)
I always take those as well
narrow frost
Close
grand perch
I had a havoc 40 pub look at a teammate's build said "are you a real person?" Th...
was it this build?
#veteran-class message
narrow frost
Instead of left it was middle vet
supple laurel
I always take those as well
yeah i would not give up 2 nodes just for 1 extra grenade
elder vessel
I fw the aesthetic
narrow frost
I accept the lowest levels to my havoc 40 because they are always the funniest
The babies
supple laurel
I accept the lowest levels to my havoc 40 because they are always the funniest
whats funny about them
narrow frost
Being clueless
narrow frost
And them trying to explain things they don't understand
supple laurel
we only took a lvl 1 into havoc 40 once
how did a level one even have access to the terminal
narrow frost
"if we back up man... They gonna fuck us with those bulwarks"
That guy was really fun
grand perch
how did a level one even have access to the terminal
havoc lvl 1
supple laurel
havoc lvl 1
oh
grand perch
And them trying to explain things they don't understand
thats reminds me of that one fresh 30 vet explaining to me why i should wait for FT stacks to build up to 8 before pinging
supple laurel
i dont know enough about spawning and maps to actually do havoc 40s publically
narrow frost
thats reminds me of that one fresh 30 vet explaining to me why i should wait for...
Lol
The babies
grand perch
i didnt even say anything, neither before or after. he just started mansplaining me
tall torrent
But grenadier
not worth 2 points
narrow frost
People actually try to explain the game to me mid clutch
supple laurel
thats reminds me of that one fresh 30 vet explaining to me why i should wait for...
im too impatient for that shit ngl anyway
narrow frost
All the time
supple laurel
partially why i rarely take FT
grand perch
u shouldnt wait anyway, ping enmemy, kill enemy, ping next enemy
hollow ibex
not worth 2 points
It is if I'm pathing through to invis anyway
grand perch
no spam needed, one ping after the other
hollow ibex
yeah i would not give up 2 nodes just for 1 extra grenade
I take it for pathing
grand perch
when youre using smoke and planning to go WS, stealth looks mighty convenient
supple laurel
no spam needed, one ping after the other
every zealot that rushes ahead is just
goes ahead:
gets downed:
ping spam on themselves for you to revive them:
leaves after dying:
grand perch
sometimes before