yea in my experience I like being able to shoot straight more than meaninglessly more dmg
#veteran-class
little vortex
demo team is absolutely not one i'd drop in favor of determined
that shit does such numbers on high diff
grand perch
you could use that 1 point to get frags instead as well. like this
since kraks are p much objectively the worst
little vortex
since kraks are p much objectively the worst
worse than smokes????
crisp oak
you could use that 1 point to get frags instead as well. like this
Id drop the weapon specialist bottom node for fully loaded personally
grand perch
smokes are good my man
crude wind
Smokes are good
little vortex
they're better now that they don't actively gimp your team
grand perch
Id drop the weapon specialist bottom node for fully loaded personally
im basing this off the build path showed above
crisp oak
I see
grand perch
literally moved 1 point around to get frags and dropping determined
little vortex
i liked smokes for throwing at gunner packs as a stealth vet but even that's only useful in a limited range of situations
what's good about them
crude wind
They block los and fuck Gunner behavior
If they can't see you they will move towards you
tall torrent
literally moved 1 point around to get frags and dropping determined
I like determined on revolver purely for being able to pop gunners at range reliably
hearty panther
who knew that all we needed to make smokes viable was gunners that are actually scary
tall torrent
Ik u can play around with suppression but it’s just extra effort for me that I’m too lazy to do
hollow ibex
determined needs to just be a vet passive
fucking stupid that it's at the bottom of the tree and costs one point
tall torrent
Yea the design is ass
hearty panther
its just goofy since two of vets unique weapons arent suppressable anyway and we have xstance
so like
hollow ibex
yeah
hearty panther
oh yeah, not actually immune but VERY unaffected
grand perch
its actually stoopid 2 laser guns (laspistol + helbore) get suppression immunity/near immunity while the other 2 ILAS + recon dont
like what makes pistol and helbore special? helbore could be possessed by krieger ghosts so you dont give a fuck maybe
tall torrent
I think veteran’s ranged combat design needs to get looked at as a whole
Veteran’s ranged toughness gain is ass
Psyker and ogryn are better at ranged toughness sustain than veteran is
grand perch
exhilarating takedown sitting in the corner all sad
hearty panther
where it belongs
grand perch
nods
tall torrent
Exhilarating takedown, even if it wasn’t gimped by longshot pathing, is still the worst
Purely for the ranged weakspot kill requirement
hearty panther
Out for Blood is actually worth taking despite forcing you to pick One Motion
and One Motion isn't nearly as shite as Longshot
(but i still hate it)
hollow ibex
(but i still hate it)
it's not awful tbh, just meh
hearty panther
Longshot is a -1 talent talent
grand perch
Purely for the ranged weakspot kill requirement
i played like 10 matches with longshot and ET just to evaluate how sad it is in current meta and its like in its own league, having to pull out a rnaged weapon and headshot shit
hollow ibex
Longshot is a -1 talent talent
i'd take longshot if it gave me 2 points back for taking it
tall torrent
i played like 10 matches with longshot and ET just to evaluate how sad it is in ...
Yea
It’s like psyker’s toughness gain if you take ZERO warp related toughness talents
hollow ibex
Yea
It’s like psyker’s toughness gain if you take ZERO warp related toughness ta...
eh? mettle is actually good tho
tall torrent
Ranged weakspot hit rate is maybe 30% at best for the avg player
Not to mention ranged weakspot kill rate lol
grand perch
Longshot is an F- tier talent
i got so fed up with seeing havoc applicants and random people running around with longshot, i started making a vid denouncing it. but i sound like a pathetic rambling nerd and decided to stop
tall torrent
i got so fed up with seeing havoc applicants and random people running around wi...
Btw
hearty panther
i got so fed up with seeing havoc applicants and random people running around wi...
oh, very relatable
tall torrent
I’m considering reworking the stagger sections in my guide
hearty panther
i had to make like, four different full passes of my smite video for the same reason
i didnt just wanna sound like tanner fighting ghosts
grand perch
care to share?
tall torrent
Would u prefer replacing this red section
With smth like this
Which is significantly more detailed for stagger and allows u to calculate stagger breakpoints on ur own
I’m still trying to figure out some inconsistencies with stagger calculation because there’re some funny things going on
Reading code is at least better than hand testing hammerblow stagger breakpoints
grand perch
tbh if thats an option i would keep both. some readers would like a short text overview of what a weapon can do and other will want hard numbers on stagger
that sounds painful
tall torrent
Also
Havoc supposedly changing enemies’ stagger thresholds
Is not actually a thing
It’s in the code
But doesn’t seem to be applied
Probably because they realized having a total of 3 melee weapons able to break rager combo is dogshit design
And, afaik, there’s no stagger difference between base game and havoc (excluding red mutator)
grand perch
i can only say it never felt like theres a stagger difference outside of CC immunity
tame lodge
looks at zealot tree
Unremitting
tall torrent
With that said
tame lodge
tall torrent
There’re some stagger calculations I’m doing rn
That don’t quite make sense
Shock maul III’s H1 should mathematically be unable to break mauler overhead
But it can
Or I read code wrong
Or smth that I don’t know is going on
dry cloak
shock effect?
tame lodge
i liked smokes for throwing at gunner packs as a stealth vet but even that's onl...
Throw at your feet
Become immortal against Gunners, shooters, stalkers, snipers, reapers, dogs and flamers while also making Shotgunners, Trappers and Beast of Nurgle get closer and closer
dry cloak
i think mk3 h1 applies shock effect to the target
crude wind
Wouldn't it be amazing if they opened up Blitzes for Vet like the Ogryn
abstract sand
whys that
crude wind
Exhilarating takedown, even if it wasn’t gimped by longshot pathing, is still th...
How would you buff longshot
dry cloak
yes mk6 is still better for that
grand perch
Throw at your feet
Become immortal against Gunners, shooters, stalkers, snipers...
if this was zealot chat, someone would throw themselves at your feet
tall torrent
How would you buff longshot
Dm
steep flower
Yea
It’s like psyker’s toughness gain if you take ZERO warp related toughness ta...
Those specimens do exist and i do not understand why would you ever not include Soulstealer into any staff build on psyker
tall torrent
tbh if thats an option i would keep both. some readers would like a short text o...
8k character count limit unfortunately
steep flower
8k character count limit unfortunately
That sucks…
grand perch
i guess i would include the table and shorten the paragraph to whatever limit, or get rid of the text completely
cause stagger info is harder to find
steep flower
In the case of limited character count; i would opt for text; in-game you already have number table (even if it might be wrong) and having important info in text is more important than general info (nobody gives a flying f about staggering a poxwalker)
In this case ofc
tall torrent
i guess i would include the table and shorten the paragraph to whatever limit, o...
I’m trying to work out a compromise rn
The more challenging part is calculating stagger to actually be right
I’m also considering scratching those radar charts?
void dragon
I’m also considering scratching those radar charts?
Imo they are neat, but feel that you could get better information by saying what each mk excels (or is bad) at
tall torrent
Imo they are neat, but feel that you could get better information by saying what...
I could scratch both radar charts and description paragraph and give a super basic TLDR section on what it’s good at and what it’s bad at
The harder part is still calculating stagger
grand perch
this guy rocks up and applies to your havoc 40 whaddya do?
void dragon
Lock the F@¢£ in
hearty panther
as if i check people's builds
sonic kayak
this guy rocks up and applies to your havoc 40 whaddya do?
Hell, if he's confident in his build, then why not
last marten
this guy rocks up and applies to your havoc 40 whaddya do?
but is he using taxe?
sonic kayak
As long as actually plays like how the build looks and can give proper ranged support
I always tell people to play what they're comfortable with, not a sticklier for books/shields
mild oxide
Are there any good reasons to take ranged stance over shout? I was looking it over and it just feels like it's not useful enough in any situation to grab it.
normal bay
It's beneficial on some weapons like bolter or hellbore
Since their handling sucks
- breakpoints
crude star
which two perks should I have on helbore, can’t decide which types matter most on it
mild oxide
Ahhh BPs makes sense.
tall torrent
which two perks should I have on helbore, can’t decide which types matter most o...
Which variant
grand perch
Hell, if he's confident in his build, then why not
its not confidence hes just clueless AF
crude star
mk IV. Whichever is the one that doesn’t have the stab
tall torrent
mkV, the slow long one
Unarmored + maniac for mk V
tall torrent
mk IV. Whichever is the one that doesn’t have the stab
Maniac + carapace for mk IV
crude star
thank you
sudden cedar
@grand perch Why would you use an Infantry Autogun with Shocktrooper?
Just how would one come to that idea...
quiet valley
the answer is dyslexia
strange crow
Bro cannot fathom
halcyon blaze
I always tell people to play what they're comfortable with, not a sticklier for ...
Same, as long as it's working with the player's intended playstyle and functionally helpful to the team that's what matters.
I prefer figuring out what each of the parts of the build does, rather than copy pasting a "this is the best build" from someone else without knowing why.
grand perch
youre giving to much credit to the guy who simply clicked everything on the left
slow spade
ironically if you did the same thing on the middle or right, you'd still have a decent enough build lol
sonic kayak
youre giving to much credit to the guy who simply clicked everything on the left...
Honestly? Probably
But still, unorthodox as it may be, idk, if he has weapons that make sense then fine
grand perch
as i mentioned, he doesnt
and its not fine for havoc 40
@quiet valley did you delete your ammo fountain build? i linked it in my recent vid but link's dead now
sonic kayak
as i mentioned, he doesnt
Oh, I didn't see, IAG and Shovel
crude star
how good is duck and dive
umbral radish
are sniper builds even good?
tropic notch
are sniper builds even good?
Not really you wanna build your character around being able to do everything
Plus plasma, revolver, bolt pistol are already snipers
abstract sand
is 69% thermal resist 71% charge rate still the trick for plasma gun
tropic notch
Best paired with weapons specialist
tame lodge
are sniper builds even good?
Yeah
abstract sand
Best paired with weapons specialist
whys that
umbral radish
I rely on my good ol' lasgun
tropic notch
But it is good with it tho
umbral radish
nothing wrong with the trusty lasgun
umbral radish
say what you will about other guns I'm sticking to the good ol' lasgun
tropic notch
tame lodge
Although "Sniper" implies that you'll be hanging on the back
When Dedicated Marksman would be a better description for this game
abstract sand
say what you will about other guns I'm sticking to the good ol' lasgun
recon lasgun quite good
tropic notch
Me when my sniper build gets backshots from any horde
umbral radish
Infantry Lasgun never lets you down
abstract sand
no clue where infantry lasgun fits into things now
i have not used one in two years
umbral radish
Infantry Lasgun my beloved
reliable stopping power, versatile, high capacity, never fails a good guardsman
abstract sand
recon lasgun quite good
shock trooper ❤️
tame lodge
no clue where infantry lasgun fits into things now
Well they are very decent
The only thing holding them back is suppression
abstract sand
who needs suppression anyways
umbral radish
you don't need surpression fire when you have a lasgun that can output consistent fire as fast as you can pull the trigger
tame lodge
Which basically requires you to use one of your precious talent points to get Determined
umbral radish
the infantry lasgun never failed the guard unlike the other fancy weapons, if you fail a mission with the lasgun you're not using it well enough
faint beacon
No
tropic notch
You gonna scream loud as fuuuuuck
abstract sand
embrace recon brrt
faint beacon
quiet valley
<@195524192140132353> did you delete your ammo fountain build? i linked it in my...
should still be there, lemme check
tropic notch
umbral radish
y'all gonna tweak when you see my entirely left side veteran build
quiet valley
<@195524192140132353> did you delete your ammo fountain build? i linked it in my...
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da7999f-314a-47e5-a245-2df66897ac31/ammo-fountain-havoc-40
faint beacon
Get hit once and explode immediately cause you have 0 TDR
abstract sand
executioner's stance 🥀
quiet valley
Link should still work @grand perch
grand perch
yeah i noticed i erased a part of it on accident
quiet valley
rip haha
faint beacon
No iron will 🥀
umbral radish
getting hit by enemy ranged attacks? just press space
quiet valley
executioner's stance 🥀
no exec stance slader pls
quiet valley
executioner's stance 🥀
Exec Stance H40 Helbore IV
abstract sand
y'all gonna tweak when you see my entirely left side veteran build
malice difficulty grindset
abstract sand
Exec Stance H40 Helbore IV
he's using infantry
quiet valley
jover
quiet valley
Its decent def usuable tho
abstract sand
i wont slander ex stance helbore
tropic notch
@faint beacon wanna play when I’m off at 4
abstract sand
that puts out numbers
tropic notch
umbral radish
I run infantry lasgun for the immersion
grand perch
Exec Stance H40 Helbore IV
did somebody say exec stance h40 helbore IV?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEoZID8VpUI
tropic notch
You’ll never catch me running exe stance after penances
abstract sand
@umbral radish use brrt instead
umbral radish
what is it automatic?
abstract sand
yes
umbral radish
hmm what about the recoil though?
quiet valley
zero recoil
umbral radish
automatic lasgun with zero recoil?
umbral radish
that seems potentially busted
abstract sand
why would a laser weapon have recoil
normal bay
It has some spread and sway instead
hollow ibex
its a lasgun
Cries in ilas
umbral radish
nuh uh I'm gonna run exec
miss me with those hybrid builds I'm a real one tree goat
abstract sand
i would do headhunter/infernus if you exec recon (why?)
i prefer dum dum/infernus though
both good
umbral radish
alright going into malice with recon lasgun
it's not the iconic guard lasgun but eh
abstract sand
what level are you
steep flower
why would a laser weapon have recoil
Infantry lasgun exists…
umbral radish
recon lasgun is good but the stopping power is kinda mid
abstract sand
what are your stats
steep flower
recon lasgun is good but the stopping power is kinda mid
Every weapon has a weakness
umbral radish
what are your stats
wdym?
umbral radish
I'm in a mission rn I can't answer that
native ocean
question for smoke nade users: how important would you consider the grenade tinkerer talent?
tame lodge
question for smoke nade users: how important would you consider the grenade tink...
Optional
15 seconds is often enough
But 30 is pretty comfy
steep flower
question for smoke nade users: how important would you consider the grenade tink...
Mandatory
umbral radish
I got two recon lasguns, one is Mark 6c and one is Mark 7
abstract sand
what rarity
umbral radish
mark 7 is anointed and mark 6c is redeemed
abstract sand
i have a question
umbral radish
go ahead
steep flower
question for smoke nade users: how important would you consider the grenade tink...
Many times you fight for quite some time due to the density of the enemy; smokes for 30s will allow you to have a safe haven againts most threats
abstract sand
you know how to get proper stats right
abstract sand
oh my goodness
umbral radish
what?
abstract sand
those blessings
steep flower
abstract sand
im sobbing
umbral radish
what's wrong with the blessings?
they're fairly good for dealing with the elite and specialist enemies
crude star
is there any alternative to weight of fire for a helbore or is it too good
native ocean
guys be nice blud's obviously still new to the game
abstract sand
between the eyes is bad
orchid hemlock
what's wrong with the blessings?
native ocean
else he wouldn't be rocking 210 power guns
abstract sand
deadly accurate is not bad tho
native ocean
oh you mean the blessings
abstract sand
though you do need to swap em out for the tier 4 variants
umbral radish
I know nothing about guns my main is ogryn
steep flower
is there any alternative to weight of fire for a helbore or is it too good
Its very good, can be opped out if youre using mk v but the rest benefit from it alot
orchid hemlock
I know nothing about guns my main is ogryn
quiet valley
is there any alternative to weight of fire for a helbore or is it too good
Surgical with Armorbane
abstract sand
@umbral radish you want your dump stat for the kantrael to be mob
orchid hemlock
Tbh just telling people something is bad is pretty useless and a waste of time
So let's do some deductive reasoning instead
abstract sand
okay i'll elaborate
heavy rover
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da7999f-314a-47e5-a245-2df66897ac31/am...
Greetings fellow deadshot enjoyer 
🤝
umbral radish
alright I upgraded it to 310 power..
abstract sand
between the eyes is extremely niche and only grants suppression immunity
abstract sand
alright I upgraded it to 310 power..
wait no
orchid hemlock
So let's break it down, let's first read Deadly Accurate
What does it do? @umbral radish
tall torrent
question for smoke nade users: how important would you consider the grenade tink...
Almost mandatory if u treat it as a serious tool
sudden cedar
It increases Weakspot (critical?) damage.
Meaning, you need to hit Weakspots AND you need to land a crit.
umbral radish
between the eyes is extremely niche and only grants suppression immunity
maybe I like between the eyes if I don't want to be staggering like a drunk fawn every time some methhead with male balding syndrome fires his cheap bolter my way
steep flower
Surgical with Armorbane
Tried armorbane; was mid - brittle is primarily for DoT dmg increase vs cara and armorbane, despite fitting & viable, its simply outclassed by other means of brittle application - even without it you can kill crushers reliably; with a correct build ofc
heavy rover
unfortunately the modifier increasing weakspot damage doesn't make as big a difference to damage as a whole
umbral radish
I just shoot the head, works good enough for me
orchid hemlock
I just shoot the head, works good enough for me
Well get to the other blessing in a bit
The important one to learn is deadly
🏫
umbral radish
I know how it works mate you shoot the weak spot and you get more damage
grand perch
no
orchid hemlock
I know how it works mate you shoot the weak spot and you get more damage
No, read it carefully
umbral radish
70% CRITICAL weak spot damage?
orchid hemlock
Yes
umbral radish
hitting the weak spot is already a critical though
orchid hemlock
What does that mean?
grand perch
hitting the weak spot is already a critical though
its not
orchid hemlock
hitting the weak spot is already a critical though
Nope that's an assumption on your part
abstract sand
hitting the weak spot is already a critical though
i thought this at first as well but nah it's not
orchid hemlock
Crit is based on a value called: "crit rate" which is a percentage your weapon has on every attack doing a "crit" damage proc
umbral radish
so I should run a crit boosting blessing with deadly accurate?
orchid hemlock
@tall torrent at base what does the ILG have as a crit rate?
native ocean
Almost mandatory if u treat it as a serious tool
could you elaborate on that please? what does serious use entail here
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> at base what does the ILG have as a crit rate?
+5%
orchid hemlock
so I should run a crit boosting blessing with deadly accurate?
Hold on, well get to that
tall torrent
could you elaborate on that please? what does serious use entail here
If you actually are using it to shut down ranged enemies in contested areas, that 30s duration makes a huge difference
orchid hemlock
So the point is, even if you hit every single headshot in an entire game. Only 5% of the time it will proc the blessing.
Which means, what do you need to make the blessing viable?
abstract sand
so I should run a crit boosting blessing with deadly accurate?
theres the short answer
umbral radish
deadly accurate t5 + headhunter t5
tame lodge
is there any alternative to weight of fire for a helbore or is it too good
Armourbane ( Helbore has good adms overall, no need for bane)
Hotshot, funny cleave
Then the forbidden No Respite
orchid hemlock
Not just headhunter but there is also a node in the tree that will help you out a lot
It's called Reciprocity
umbral radish
I feel like a monkey learning how to bang rocks together for the first time
orchid hemlock
I feel like a monkey learning how to bang rocks together for the first time
Ok so the next blessing
Tbh all you need to see is this:
It's permanent, and doesn't need any conditions
native ocean
If you actually are using it to shut down ranged enemies in contested areas, tha...
I do use smoke nade for that, yes
orchid hemlock
So what did we learn today class? 👩🏻🏫
sudden cedar
Being able to read is a useful skill to have.
heavy rover
So what did we learn today class? 👩🏻🏫
use deadshot
umbral radish
don't run mid blessings?
orchid hemlock
don't run mid blessings?
Nah, it's to read and understand the stats before you make a decision
sudden cedar
native ocean
I like between the eyes on gunker
heavy rover
agreed, ghost is a personal fav of mine
tame lodge
I like between the eyes on gunker
I mean
Gaze also makes you immune to suppression
💀
umbral radish
y'all gonna tweak when you see my melee
umbral radish
It's ok, let's share it with the class
basic ass redeemed 190 power heavy sword
orchid hemlock
basic ass redeemed 190 power heavy sword
Screenshot it
sudden cedar
Which means there is a lot of room for improvement.
native ocean
Gaze also makes you immune to suppression
oh right I forgot 💀
tame lodge
Crazy how Gaze got buffed in all crazy ways
faint beacon
Gaze is just a better Estance
native ocean
that 50% peril reduction on activation is nasty. Did fatshark do it to make sg staffkering more appealing?
faint beacon
Dying on this hill
native ocean
Gaze is just a better Estance
that's true though
exe stance that works with melee and is just better
faint beacon
that 50% peril reduction on activation is nasty. Did fatshark do it to make sg s...
I think it’s cause they refuse to play SG
orchid hemlock
Gaze is just a better Estance
faint beacon
Cause your average psyker pisses themselves when they see “Gain Peril” at all
orchid hemlock
Cause your average psyker pisses themselves when they see “Gain Peril” at all
But I want to scream into the void
crude star
does anyone here get both stamina delay nodes
tame lodge
For knife
Yes
orchid hemlock
does anyone here get both stamina delay nodes
orchid hemlock
For knife
Yes
Let's make it 0 second delay
quiet valley
Tried armorbane; was mid - brittle is primarily for DoT dmg increase vs cara and...
The other blessing options are not great, Armorbane gives you a pinch of extra armor and boss dmg, Weight of Fire is anti-synergistic with Surgical, and ruins shot cadence
Tbh the only blessing that matters on Helbore is Surgical
crude star
shot cadence is what makes me not wanna use weight of fire, it feels really awkward to have so many different timings, even on the slow helbore
quiet valley
Yeah its the same for me, Its very hard to get into a rhythm with weight of fire
steep flower
shot cadence is what makes me not wanna use weight of fire, it feels really awkw...
Comes with experience; one gets use to it + you can hold the shot for a good time
quiet valley
Personally I think No Respite has a higher top end than Armorbane but I wouldn't recommend it to a new Helbore user
steep flower
shot cadence is what makes me not wanna use weight of fire, it feels really awkw...
Oh right i forgot; use falter
crude star
huh
quiet valley
If you are holding the shot it kind of defeats the purpose of Weight of Fire
steep flower
That is a good bless
crude star
does falter work on the bayonet
steep flower
If you are holding the shot it kind of defeats the purpose of Weight of Fire
Weight of fire is for times when you have to kill alot of shooters fast, surgical is for bigger targets & opening shots
steep flower
does falter work on the bayonet
Cant tell, ask @tall torrent
quiet valley
Weight of fire is for times when you have to kill alot of shooters fast, surgica...
ig, most helbores are killing shooters with uncharged headshots even on 40
steep flower
ig, most helbores are killing shooters with uncharged headshots even on 40
Thats the key word right there; headshots; sometimes its just hard to do when in the middle of all the chaos, even for experienced folk
crude star
Personally I think No Respite has a higher top end than Armorbane but I wouldn't...
why wouldn't you recommend it
quiet valley
Its personal perf, but really the reason I don't recommend Weight of fire is the shot cadence thing, I think its a very important part of mastering the helbore is to get into a good shot cadence
Not taking Surgical is criminal
quiet valley
why wouldn't you recommend it
Its just harder to get value out of compared to Armorbane, which you will always benefit from
it only applies the dmg on staggered enemies
steep flower
Its just harder to get value out of compared to Armorbane, which you will always...
In short; use falter & surgical
abstract sand
getting 69% thermal and 71% charge on the plasma gun is going to be a pain
quiet valley
It makes the Helbore shit out dmg when your team is pushing out huge CC in Havoc
abstract sand
getting 69% thermal and 71% charge on the plasma gun is going to be a pain
is that 100% the ideal way to build it?
quiet valley
But its also harder to hit shots when enemies are staggering and falling all over the place
abstract sand
just asking to be sure before i spend a lot of effort
quiet valley
In short; use falter & surgical
steep flower
https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-trolling-n-pokemon-n-pokemon-gif-134337586...
I used that combo and it was good; nice pokemon meme
steep flower
Just kill the thing you are shooting at
Sometimes you can’t due to various circumstances; with falter it stops doing what it was doing, giving you & your team time
crude star
one thing i've liked about this game already so far is that people seem to argue a lot about what to use and how to use it. Doesn't feel super solved or ultra pigeonholed
quiet valley
Sometimes you can’t due to various circumstances; with falter it stops doing wha...
ig its another personal pref, I prefer stagger on my melee or blitz, what are you staggering that needs a ranged hit? Reapers?
tame lodge
The problem with Surgical Falter helby
Is that a critical weakspot will kill the target
💀
faint beacon
I don’t care who they send I’m not using Falter NR on my Vigil
quiet valley
lol
steep flower
ig its another personal pref, I prefer stagger on my melee or blitz, what are yo...
Gunners & specials too; sometimes they can survive & falter stops flamers easier
quiet valley
I usually dont have an issue staggering, even with body shots, Helbore has decent stagger
Havent tested each Mk with Falter tho, seemed like a waste of time
faint beacon
Havent tested each Mk with Falter tho, seemed like a waste of time
Helbys or Vigils
faint beacon
Cause I did testing on Vigils for Falter and I mean yeah it changes QOL stagger BPs but it’s not doing anything insanely crazy
Falter on Vigils actually lets you stagger them out of their combos with body shots
steep flower
Falter on Vigils actually lets you stagger them out of their combos with body sh...
The single shot one with falter can interrupt both flamers & trapper out of an animation which is good
faint beacon
The single shot one with falter can interrupt both flamers & trapper out of an a...
I tend prefer using dead shot with Surgical or HH on Agri 9 to just immediately drop them cause CW hits will kill them
But if you’re accepting the fact that it’s shit against maniac
Graia 7 and Agri 9 are the only notable marks that can immediately shut down flamers via staggering
Depressing thing Is don’t bother with the Column 3 (3 round burst)
Multiple bursts to actually get Falter value and at that point just run HH DA
steep flower
Depressing thing Is don’t bother with the Column 3 (3 round burst)
The recoil on that one is the main reason is oof
the 2 round burst is goat tho
steep flower
I tend prefer using dead shot with Surgical or HH on Agri 9 to just immediately ...
Its a good combo; just that its gamba and i like consistency thats why i opped for falter but great notherless; imagine a weapon with more than 3 good blessings for it
hollow ibex
the 2 round burst is goat tho
i honestly think the 3 shot one has better recoil than agri lol
3 shot one just feels like an IAG
faint beacon
Honestly now that I brought deadshot up I should test how it pairs with HH DA seeing I used to run that before I swapped to Surgical
Top scored with it pretty frequently
steep flower
Top scored with it pretty frequently
Gotta love off-meta doing good 
faint beacon
I’m the servers dedicated Agri 9 praiser so I have to try this that and actually keep slamming my head against the H40 wall till it clicks
I’m going to make the Agri 9 work
quiet valley
It helps put down reapers faster, flak is for Mauler bodyshots
Remember the IX dunks on mauler flak bodyshots in 2-3 bursts
tropic notch
does anyone here get both stamina delay nodes
Always
steep flower
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ec7ee55-affb-4f82-9304-62f3668edfdf/h4...
agri 9 is bae and i'm saying that despite not being a fan of burst fire weapons
tall torrent
does falter work on the bayonet
Yes
Not importantly
quiet valley
agri 9 is bae and i'm saying that despite not being a fan of burst fire weapons
its the best of the 3 mks for me, also doesn't have that ass fov zoom
steep flower
Yes
Not importantly
Thats great!... Sadly probably not that useful... 
tall torrent
Tbh I hate deadly, I prefer ghost <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Deadly accurate is good on like 1 gun
tropic notch
Path never responded to mah question in zealot chat
tall torrent
Path never responded to mah question in zealot chat
I fell asleep
tropic notch
steep flower
its the best of the 3 mks for me, also doesn't have that ass fov zoom
Get 'Weapon FOV' mod and zoom will go away
tropic notch
I fell asleep
Gonna crawl in ur bed
quiet valley
Get 'Weapon FOV' mod and zoom will go away
I tried it like a year ago, still was meh, maybe ill try again sometime later
steep flower
I fell asleep
Da Old man required to recharge its bateries
quiet valley
IX still has the best TTK on the targets I care about tho
steep flower
I tried it like a year ago, still was meh, maybe ill try again sometime later
you can adjust any weapons zoom with it so ye
quiet valley
people sleep on ranged weapons that kill maulers with bodyshots
steep flower
My sleep schedule is fked rn
You work 2 hard on your guide; give it a rest
sharp cave
https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-trolling-n-pokemon-n-pokemon-gif-134337586...
GOOD
tall torrent
Gonna crawl in ur bed
quiet valley
Shotguns are close to being decent, they just have such shit ammo economy
steep flower
Shotguns are close to being decent, they just have such shit ammo economy
I would say the dmg falloff is more of an issue
quiet valley
They just about 2 shot maulers in Auric with No Respite/Full Bore
DMG fall off is fine imo
otherwise its just another rifle
tall torrent
You work 2 hard on your guide; give it a rest <:thumbsup_ogryn:10634527273021809...
I won’t have much time to update guide before I leave for vacation in July
sonic kayak
Wake up at 5am
Wdym? That's peak mental sharpness
tropic notch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShak...
But with crit zealot, with max using the hsword with headtaker and sustained assault, how much damage would you do to cara with fury?
tall torrent
But with crit zealot, with max using the hsword with headtaker and sustained ass...
Didn’t I tell u to math it out
tall torrent
Idk how too
I sent finesse formula a bunch of times before
tropic notch
I sent finesse formula a bunch of times before
Guh…
crude star
finesse is applied to just the finesse 'portion' of the damage, right?
tall torrent
finesse is applied to just the finesse 'portion' of the damage, right?
Yes
tall torrent
Guh…
Ok what u need is
The attack’s normal damage vs carapace
The attack’s crit-weakspot damage vs carapace
The attack’s ADM vs carapace
tall torrent
With those u can calculate it
faint beacon
people sleep on ranged weapons that kill maulers with bodyshots
Tbf I am extremely conditioned to always click on heads but Surgical will let you dumpster maulers with body shots
tropic notch
The attack’s crit-weakspot damage vs carapace
Without duelist but all the other buffs it did 2147
tall torrent
Without duelist but all the other buffs it did 2147
Ok what about normal damage
abstract sand
still dont get how to build the plasma gun
spark canopy
ello roughnecks and toughnecks
abstract sand
thats gonna be a pain in the ass to roll
spark canopy
how abouts do i go about trying to get the "On Overwatch" achievement?
(On Malice or higher, take no melee damage)
abstract sand
(On Malice or higher, take no melee damage)
it only counts for health damage
you can take a hit to toughness
spark canopy
you're shitting me.
hollow ibex
thats gonna be a pain in the ass to roll
2.5m down the drain and still no perfect plasma lol
spark canopy
holy fucking fuck.
hollow ibex
you're shitting me.
run voice of command with cdr, and just play carefully
abstract sand
w/ the yellow toughness node
abstract sand
run voice of command with cdr, and just play carefully
^ yep
spark canopy
alright, thank you.
hollow ibex
you can use rashad
abstract sand
It's way easier than you think
spark canopy
holy fuck
hollow ibex
*any* melee damage
oh no lol
abstract sand
And even then
I took ONE point of health damage
And it still counted it
So...
Yeah just play carefully and use Voice of Command a lot. It's Malice difficulty so it won't be that bad.
spark canopy
sweet.
faint beacon
MMF one is miserable also
tropic notch
Some penances I just refuse to do
Mmf can stay dere
I’m good og
I only do them if they give armor
Or a little trinket
Perhaps a title
spark canopy
mmf...
torn depot
spark canopy
what is mmf?
crude star
I am torn on deadshot. I like it when it works, but sometimes the stamina stuff gets rough
or rather, a bit awkward
formal ice
I am torn on deadshot. I like it when it works, but sometimes the stamina stuff ...
That one passive that eats your stamina while aiming so you can get 25% more crit chance?
crude star
yeah
formal ice
Why
crude star
i dunno, just been trying stuff out on helbore
abstract sand
what is mmf?
marksman focus
faint beacon
Its decent
faint beacon
"kill 2500" yeah i'll pass
It seems easy at first
till you see the bold print
At 10 stacks or higher
abstract sand
yup
faint beacon
Also fml sometimes playing in pubs you just get hit with "the fuck is the point of playing Veteran" when Ogryn does everything better
spark canopy
for just ten lousy penance points?
faint beacon
like Im actively DCing the moment an Ogryn stack happens I dont want to be forced to basically Spectate
spark canopy
it's best when there's an ogryn of each type
barren nimbus
Is there any advantage to the chain axe over the combat axe
spark canopy
CC ogryn, angry ogryn, and gungryn
at least it's an easy match
(or at least until a monstrosity comes in)
faint beacon
Unless you're the 4th unfortunate class (Unless you're psyker)
cause Zealot and Veteran simply dont have a job when the Gunlugger or Heavy hitter exists
hollow ibex
like Im actively DCing the moment an Ogryn stack happens I dont want to be force...
i'm ok with it so long as there isn't a rumblergryn
hollow ibex
Is there any advantage to the chain axe over the combat axe
you get to make yourself deaf
spark canopy
ah uh
i'm a rumblergryn
but
i only use it against other ogryns or monstrosities
so Reapers, Bulwarks, Crushers, they're all my targets. me and my rock.
hollow ibex
if you're running pbb + rumbler + BLO, i'm going to be running ahead of the team taking literally every piece of ammo
because people running that combination don't deserve to use their gun
spark canopy
i also like using the ripper gun
ripper and rumbler are my bread and butter for the ogryn
hollow ibex
i honestly don't see much of an issue with it
please check your vision
runic jackal
its a chill gun
hollow ibex
okay no I refuse to believe this
half the time it's trolls, the other half of the time, it's just people who don't know how to play
runic jackal
slow, massive burst of dmg
hollow ibex
or don't give a shit
spark canopy
what, a grenade launcher that launches grenades is good at doing what a grenade launcher does? (crowd control?)
runic jackal
its chill
spark canopy
if you aim it well, it's terrifyingly good
elsewise yeah it's just a waste of a gun and ammo
faint beacon
half the time it's trolls, the other half of the time, it's just people who don'...
I will not be ragebaited
spark canopy
it destroys ogryns and can just nullify a group of ranged elites
hollow ibex
oh boy
faint beacon
Its not just that
spark canopy
an ogryn, which is kinda meant to crowd control, is good at clearing hordes and that's an issue
faint beacon
it literally turns the entire game off for the unfortunate soul not also playing Rumbler Ogryn
runic jackal
its fun, and well balanced
runic jackal
it literally turns the entire game off for the unfortunate soul not also playing...
so does gun grin, so does plasma vet, so does zealot doing almost anything
spark canopy
or smite psyker
runic jackal
its a skill gap. like sniper in tf2
faint beacon
Thats a huge reach
runic jackal
its fun and cool
faint beacon
especially with Veteran and Zealot
runic jackal
dont touchy
faint beacon
Ogryn does their jobs better because it was reworked and powercrept
runic jackal
vet is easy, zel is brain dead, oggy and brain need more skill
faint beacon
there's a reason we vocalize nerfs on things
runic jackal
things dont need nerfs
faint beacon
Ogryn is incredibly overpowered
runic jackal
other things need buffs
faint beacon
the only class you dont need to block or dodge in order to kill 7 Plague Ogryns btw
with a Cleaver
runic jackal
zealot you dont need to
spark canopy
lol
hollow ibex
what is the issue with the rumbler
- It's a massive ammo sink. Every rumblergryn I've seen takes 2x or 3x the ammo of the next person on the team.
- It takes no skill to play (duh)
- It destroys literally everything. It's a gun that counters everything for 0 effort.
- It's obnoxious as fuck to the rest of the team when everything is constantly exploding.
- It trivializes and turns off the game for the rest of the team.
So, it's basically an overpowered, obnoxious weapon that turns off the game for everyone around you, while encouraging you to play like a selfish cunt. In other words, you're a smyker, but even more cancerous to your team.
spark canopy
lmao even
faint beacon
Veteran has no Get out of Jail card, if you cant kill anything you're kinda fucked out of toughness
runic jackal
your just plasma them
runic jackal
Veteran has no Get out of Jail card, if you cant kill anything you're kinda fuck...
shout.mp4
faint beacon
Zealot has Undying at most as an escape card, but literally they're so fucking incredibly dated they have to play 1 build
runic jackal
shits of cd every 5 seconds
hollow ibex
gale, what happened to not being rage baited
hollow ibex
you either play shout or you're borderline throwing
me throwing every match playing stealth
cuz fuck voc
runic jackal
and EX stance removes any other gunners on the map
i run it just as much as shout
with my good ol recon
faint beacon
Stealth was a mistake as a mechanic cause it fucks over your team, and Estance needs help cause Scriers is just
get this
Better Estance
spark canopy
- It's a massive ammo sink. Every rumblergryn I've seen takes 2x or 3x the ammo ...
just for this i'm gonna run rumbler more and i'm going to use it how it's meant to be used, as an anti crowd and anti monstrosity weapon
runic jackal
E stance is pure aimbot
and you can shoot through some walls with plasma if you run that
funny shit, and stealth is a good clutch/ objective tool
hollow ibex
just for this i'm gonna run rumbler more and i'm going to use it how it's meant ...
that's fine. if we're ever in a match together, don't expect to see any ammo. i'll make sure you don't get any
runic jackal
or a boss dropper
hollow ibex
even better
spark canopy
stealth ogryn >>
runic jackal
this hammer right here?
hollow ibex
i can tolerate bad teammates, i can't tolerate selfish ones
spark canopy
is that a fucking cat
runic jackal
the knife also does this alot
the relic blade does good dmg on everything always
every one of these can be used well
faint beacon
And what point is this exactly driving?
runic jackal
the point is, everything can be used to a good degree. we should not nerf things that are fun and "fair" to the player
in a p v e game
runic jackal
your just wrong then
faint beacon
Thats not how it works, especially when something shuts off the entire game
faint beacon
why do you think the 3 big things everyone wants nerfed unless you main it
runic jackal
its a skill ceiling you hit
hollow ibex
Thats not how it works, especially when something shuts off the entire game
i mean this guy prob thinks DS is perfectly fair and balanced
you're wasting your time bro
faint beacon
Are Dueling Sword, Smite, and Rumbler
runic jackal
i mean this guy prob thinks DS is perfectly fair and balanced
DS?
faint beacon
i mean this guy prob thinks DS is perfectly fair and balanced
You dont understand, im rubbing my hands together cause its coming
runic jackal
Are Dueling Sword, Smite, and Rumbler
dueling sword is cool and fun to get good with
faint beacon
runic jackal
rumbler is super fair, and i think might need a range buff ngl
faint beacon
Okay there's my point I dont need to continue further LMAO
runic jackal
Smite is just chill brain stuff
hollow ibex
rumbler is super fair, and i think might need a range buff ngl
yeah maybe let's buff SG, DD, BCOB and assail next too
have you considered applying to work at fatshart?
i think you'd fit right in
runic jackal
do you think the bolter should be nerfed since it can delete a whole hoard of every enemy type in the game?
quiet valley
runic jackal
yeah maybe let's buff SG, DD, BCOB and assail next too <:uwugryn:106288247931011...
stop with the acronyms lmao
dont know what ur on about
hollow ibex
i ain't spelling it all out
runic jackal
and if i worked at fatshark, i would make more elf skins in VT2
hollow ibex
if you don't even know what those basic ass acroynms are, you haven't spent enough time on the game to be qualified to talk about balance tbh
faint beacon
runic jackal
i am better than most of you here i'll say that much. not a flex though.
hollow ibex
nuh uh
runic jackal
Just sucks ig nothing better to do after work and bowling lmao
quiet valley
Post the boards
faint beacon
Post the boards luigi
junior bolt
same
quiet valley
Yeah
rotund tartan
i am better than most of you here i'll say that much. not a flex though.
im top 0.01%
rotund tartan
top rank in marvel rivals too
quiet valley
<@195524192140132353>
Venting Shriek I sleep
narrow frost
no
rotund tartan
h40 too easy?
runic jackal
hated playing it. But my highest like like 4.1m damage. with 1m being just boss dmg
faint beacon
quiet valley
How long was the match 💀
runic jackal
like an hour 30
narrow frost
How long was the match 💀
hour exact
runic jackal
3 book zealots and me the vet lmao. it was a crawl
quiet valley
hated playing it. But my highest like like 4.1m damage. with 1m being just boss ...
Where board
runic jackal
to far gone
quiet valley
4.1m is horde farm or throwing, you will never do that amount of dmg unless you are just sitting in a mission for as long as you can
narrow frost
4.1m is horde farm or throwing, you will never do that amount of dmg unless you ...
purple farming psykers
....
faint beacon
purple farming psykers
No shut UP its pure skill scrub..
quiet valley
Bait used to be believable this FIRE guy
rotund tartan
i did 6m damage a while ago but i dont save the scoreboards
quiet valley
i did 8
faint beacon
Ogryn is fair and balanced 🗣️
quiet valley
Noob
faint beacon
I did 10
rotund tartan
thats not the gif i wanted
faint beacon
you guys are babies..
spark canopy
googoo gaga
runic jackal
4.1m is horde farm or throwing, you will never do that amount of dmg unless you ...
not as long as we could. it was not the plan lmao. 1 1/2 hours i said it took
faint beacon
it works
quiet valley
My scoreboard had an integer overflow, so I can’t post it
narrow frost
thats not the gif i wanted
lmao
faint beacon
tall torrent
did someone ping me
quiet valley
no idea I just got here
rotund tartan
omg, its airing in 2 min
runic jackal
these are a few of my more "recent ones" as in like the past few days. I tried scrolling to find the havocs but idfk
the list is to large
rotund tartan
i hope you're paying bumner for that run
faint beacon
nearly 900 dmg on Ogryn also
quiet valley
Only 2 are even Vet boards
runic jackal
yea
i shake it up a bit. Staying on one class gets boring
also so my friends can do other stuff as well
faint beacon
Send bumner to the coal mines
quiet valley
no just Auric heresy
Find your Havoc Boards
quiet valley
Ok
rotund tartan
i played with fire and he was the WORST player i have ever seen he did 100k damage
quiet valley
Lmao
faint beacon
i played with fire and he was the WORST player i have ever seen he did 100k dama...
is this true?
chat is this true?
rotund tartan
is this true?
runic jackal
i played with fire and he was the WORST player i have ever seen he did 100k dama...
probably true at one point for sure
quiet valley
I’m just saying it’s awfully convenient you can’t find any of your boards when you claim 4.1m
runic jackal
Malice used to be to hard xd
rotund tartan
i alt f4 when i see any class other than zealot in my game
narrow frost
real
runic jackal
I’m just saying it’s awfully convenient you can’t find any of your boards when y...
it was a cool day to recall so of course i remember it. first hav40 win i had.
runic jackal
but its been how long since that came out?
faint beacon
i alt f4 when i see any class other than zealot in my game
is this why you dont play with me.........
:(((
faint beacon
perhaps.... Rumbler ogryn
rotund tartan
is this why you dont play with me.........
zealot is the weakest class so i dont want you stealing all my kills with smoke grenade
faint beacon
im so sorry smokes are so overpowered.....
runic jackal
I assume the 4.1m was on Pskyer
i said vet. I hate pskyer still. not as much as i did before though
runic jackal
None of your recent boards are even 1m
well duh. Its like 20min Auric. Not 1 hour hav missions
runic jackal
and the dmg numbers are not all skill you know. if the game went smooth, everybody did there part well. thats the important shit. the scoreboard is just extra shiny points
quiet valley
Yeah honestly I disregard any boards that are over an hour
hollow ibex
until proven otherwise, i'm going to assume you're a player like saber here
runic jackal
i've seen a game go on over 3 hours before
quiet valley
Most H40 runs should run about 30-40min
runic jackal
Most H40 runs should run about 30-40min
if you have allies and not walking hindrances yes lol
faint beacon
You let them die
rotund tartan
im so good at aiming on vet i dont even need melee
faint beacon
and move forward
quiet valley
Yeah I did see that FIRE has ammo pickups disabled on their boards lol
rotund tartan
i just shoot them with my helbore
hollow ibex
Yeah I did see that FIRE has ammo pickups disabled on their boards lol
yeah i mean it's utterly meaningless if you're taking 30 ammo and top fragging
runic jackal
until proven otherwise, i'm going to assume you're a player like saber here
thats alot more detail than what i use lol
to many numbers
quiet valley
i just shoot them with my helbore
Just use the bayonet that was so op it got nerfed 💀
runic jackal
uneeeded stats imo
hollow ibex
helbore mk4 is actually the top melee weapon in the game
faint beacon
the slash one right
runic jackal
the weapon used one is cool tho
rotund tartan
@narrow frost helbore stab only
quiet valley
XD
hollow ibex
uneeeded stats imo
the most important stat is damage, followed by ammo. if i see you 800k damage with 30 ammo pieces taken, you're on the shitlist
rotund tartan
taxe special only
quiet valley
Ainz still needs to do 4 vet Exec stance H40
hollow ibex
4 helby ES vet h40
faint beacon
He's planning to do a Round 2 Smoke Stack
runic jackal
the most important stat is damage, followed by ammo. if i see you 800k damage wi...
lmao
i'd take all 50 of them if the game went well
hollow ibex
then you're an ass
rotund tartan
exe stance shredder autopistol running build
hollow ibex
because you're taking ammo that the team needs, unless they happen to all be psykers
runic jackal
no, nobody else needed it, or noticed i already handled the ranged issues
so the ammo is all mine
hollow ibex
self aggrandization at the expense of the rest of the team
runic jackal
or im playing gungrin kekw
hollow ibex
typical rumblergryn
faint beacon
TRUTH NUKE!
runic jackal
because you're taking ammo that the team needs, unless they happen to all be psy...
zealots dont often need it, ogyrns sometimes, and psykers if ever once
quiet valley
Ammo whore spotted
runic jackal
vet should almost always have the ammo
rotund tartan
ok one more @narrow frost grenade gauntlet melee only
hollow ibex
Ammo whore spotted
i mean he's a rumblergryn lol.
runic jackal
unless a funny is going on otherwise
quiet valley
i mean he's a rumblergryn lol.
This explains everything
rotund tartan
well you can shoot but no using your melee to attack
hollow ibex
This explains everything
yeah this whole shit started because he kept saying rumbler is fine
quiet valley
Crazy take
runic jackal
you people. Sound like the type to VK somebody for taking your ammo bag
runic jackal
yeah this whole shit started because he kept saying rumbler is fine
it is fine
hollow ibex
i tend to run low ammo consumption builds
runic jackal
dont nerf anything, buff other stuff
hollow ibex
because i'm not an ass
quiet valley
you people. Sound like the type to VK somebody for taking your ammo bag
It’s called not being a dickhead
hollow ibex
like some people
quiet valley
Crazy ik
runic jackal
uh huh
faint beacon
hollow ibex
i'm not the one hiding the ammo taken stat on the scoreboard
tame lodge
you people. Sound like the type to VK somebody for taking your ammo bag
I'm not that petty
runic jackal
I'll be happy messing about helping with penances, and in heresy. you people can enjoy the hav40 brain melting
tame lodge
It's barrel accident for me
runic jackal
i'm not the one hiding the ammo taken stat on the scoreboard
not "hidden" its a dumb stat lol
barrel troll
quiet valley
hollow ibex
not "hidden" its a dumb stat lol
well i can't fault you for your consistency
runic jackal
naaa those are worthy of a kick and ban if intentional
OR people who shove bursters into you
faint beacon
Probably got shot in the back of the head too many times from Bounty Hunter Saltz didn't you
runic jackal
oof, it was always the dwarf
I played my hot elf lady and did nothing but press F and see big number at the end
bitter pilot
im looking for a good infantry lasgun build
severe jolt
well look somewhere else because right now this channel is shitter city
runic jackal
im looking for a good infantry lasgun build
Use the recon and EX stance
Best ur gonna go with lasguns
manic cloak
Use the recon and EX stance
Guy asks for a Infantry Lasgun build and you tell him to run a Recon Lasgun with Executioner's Stance?
manic cloak
Inf lasgun is doodoo
Have you gotten 4.1M damage with the Infantry Lasgun in Havoc 40 as well?
bleak tendon
im looking for a good infantry lasgun build
slap infernus and crit chance
the lightest model with the fastest fire rate
i dont know if its just me but i fire so fast that i sometimes fire "phantom" shots that play the visual effect but dont register i.e dont dmg or take ammo
really good tho
abstract sand
typical rumblergryn
Rumblergryn stinks
runic jackal
Have you gotten 4.1M damage with the Infantry Lasgun in Havoc 40 as well?
ew no
manic cloak
abstract sand
Karsolas pick/grenade gauntlet is king
manic cloak
Dear @tall torrent , save this chat.
tall torrent
Dear <@366562874039992331> , save this chat.
wat
manic cloak
A simple prayer and the good lord answers
orchid hemlock
im looking for a good infantry lasgun build
tall torrent
Yeah Path, you are the chosen one
wat am I supposed to dew
bleak tendon
I gotu fam
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39a0c4-39ed-417d-bb6d-838...
LMAO
orchid hemlock
wat am I supposed to dew
Show us the way
tall torrent
Show us the way
wat way
tall torrent
oh
tall torrent
but I don't even play inf las much
abstract sand
slap infernus and crit chance
We gotta kill you for this one
hollow ibex
Pls don't put infernus on the ILG 😔
dats right. put it on helbore instead.
orchid hemlock
but I don't even play inf las much
Btw what do you use for Branx right now? 🤔
manic cloak
but I don't even play inf las much
Don't turn your back on us. I know you have those breakpoints cooking in that pending steam guide of yours.
orchid hemlock
dats right. put it on helbore instead.
tall torrent
Btw what do you use for Branx right now? 🤔
headtaker + torment/slaughterer
unyielding + elite
I was never a fan of thrust
orchid hemlock
headtaker + torment/slaughterer
unyielding + elite
You really hate Thrust don't u 😞
abstract sand
i only like thrust on the ds
tall torrent
You really hate Thrust don't u 😞
thrust enjoyers when I can light twice to do the exact same thing faster while being safer
orchid hemlock
thrust enjoyers when I can light twice to do the exact same thing faster while b...
Exactly
tall torrent
besides to make the most of thrust in havoc u kinda need crunch?
otherwise it doesn't get important 1 taps
and if u gotta spec crunch, u rly need to drop smth important elsewhere
and all that just to push a finicky 1 tap that u could prob light thrice for
too much effort
with all that effort u might as well play veteran
orchid hemlock
with all that effort u might as well play veteran
Me pressing 40 buttons to do a combo with the PS while taking out the 20 gunners, snipers, trappers,and dogs with -10 dodge points
Meanwhile the Psyker:
tall torrent
Don't turn your back on us. I know you have those breakpoints cooking in that pe...
I actually don't have breakpoint tables for inf las
I only did ranged breakpoint tables for the guns that don't need exe stance to push 1 taps
the only inf las that's close to 1 tap is missing like 300~400 dmg even with dedicated ranged spec
runic jackal
never read so much cope in my life
orchid hemlock
never read so much cope in my life
No cope here, only cringe 😞
