veteran-class

[sudden cedar]

For them it is. For me it is not.

[unreal nova]

I can solo portions with a little luck so heh. Probs not difficult for me.

[steep flower]

[sudden cedar]

Like, i had to clutch at one point with like 400 ping because the host was somewhere in SEA or OCE and i still did it.

[unreal nova]

I am playing on whatever the psyker's ping is though.

[sudden cedar]

Granted, it was on Heresy because i just wanted some light-hearted fun

But it gave me a different feel for Heresy.

When the lag and rubberbanding got so bad that a single crusher is a menace because you don't know if his hit will connect or not.

[unreal nova]

Harder? Spicier?

[sudden cedar]

I was just playing Russian Roulette with Crushers.

Like, i can understand why people think it is difficult, if you are just, comparetively, bad at the game.

And that is totally fine.

[unreal nova]

Is why I panic so much when I see a mauler. Chaos spawn? Eh. Lone mauler? P.A.N.I.C.

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

Let Heresy People be Heresy People

[unreal nova]

Heh. 6 crushers. 300 ping. Questionable packet loss. "Fun" times.

[sudden cedar]

Correct.

[trim badger]

Leveling ogryn pre rework was funny

[sudden cedar]

I am inclined to agree.

[trim badger]

On Heresy games I was forced to clutch so much

With underleveled slab

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

Imagine doing it at the first possible moment with sub-par gear because that's your rules

[trim badger]

Exactly

[sudden cedar]

By the Throne it brings back an appreciation for difficulty.

[unreal nova]

Only to have someone RNG gamble pop in to help you "cheat" by being better than a bot.

[sudden cedar]

Oh i've just had the other day

In a way

I was in the process of clutching a melee only when someone left and dropped in a bot

He probably thought, "yeah bot gives coherency and helps"

Said bot fucked me over because all the enemies changed their pathing

Before the bot, everyone was just running after me like adorable sheep

After the bot, they sandwiched me

[unreal nova]

Is risky much.

[sudden cedar]

The bot did nothing else but making things more difficult

[unreal nova]

It opens for a decent player to join, but still.

[sudden cedar]

Yes, if said player joins in time.

But i still don't like it at all.

[brazen mural]

Using the revolver now, it seems like it is not possible to one-shot the crushers while using VoC and Weapon Specialist anymore.

I guess I could do it if I used executioner stance instead, or maybe Focus Target!

[sudden cedar]

Would i have died eventually? Probably. Chances are high.

But alone, i had higher chances to eventually win it.

[unreal nova]

True. Is also timing related, when the wave receded, best time for it, I guess.

[sudden cedar]

I had a lot of armoured stuff running after me.

There was no "receeding"

[unreal nova]

Not much can be done then. Could also be someone being bored so left.

[open ravine]

I wonder if vet will get to steal any weapons from the arbites for their own arsenal as veterans haven't gotten a new weapon in a while

Or anything at that

[sudden cedar]

Maybe they will.

[agile forge]

Only for loose cannon

[sudden cedar]

Arbites is a human after all. So some sharing between human operatives is to be expected

[trim badger]

Vet needs a full auto stubber

Hopefully it'll be shared with the Arbites

[unreal nova]

500 combat knoife Arbites... But $18 DLC is probs out of budget.

[trim badger]

I don't think Arbites use blade weapons tho?

I'm pretty sure they'll not have access to knife / ds

[open ravine]

Arbites are shield users

[sudden cedar]

We cross that bridge when we get there.

[unreal nova]

Knoife and shield.

Hrm.

[trim badger]

CS 1.6

[sudden cedar]

I know speculating is fun and all for some, but it is done way too much and leads to unreasonable expectations which may or may not be fullfilled and people will get upset as a result.

[open ravine]

Arbites are confirmed to be getting a new shotgun and two shield combos one with a maul and one with a stub gun

[stark cove]

I agree

[sudden cedar]

Whatever the Arbites and the other human operatives will get from this, we will see.

[unreal nova]

I mean, is more a joke about how everyone can start with a knoife.

[sudden cedar]

I for one am happy that the Arbites has the option to trade in the dog for some personal buffs.

[trim badger]

I'll 100% be sad if I see 5000 Arbites with DS lol

[open ravine]

If I see an arbites without their doggo I am judging

[sudden cedar]

In case you ask yourselves, it is in the dev blog

@open ravine go ahead, do it. See if i care.

@trim badger

[open ravine]

You have been judged

[unreal nova]

I will just be, is normal.

[open ravine]

May the god emperor have mercy

[sudden cedar]

If Arbites can use the Duelling Sword, people will use it.

[trim badger]

That's why I hope they don't have access to it

[sudden cedar]

@open ravine Okay and?

Our characters are already Rejects anyway

Dogs are not the be all and end all.

[trim badger]

I don't think that the Arbites is confirmed a Rejct

[unreal nova]

To be fair, there's the paywall which is a bigger foe to deal with.

[sudden cedar]

We shall see.

But there are a myriad ways that an Arbites can fall.

[tepid otter]

All my 3 curious just have tougness on it, is there anything else I should be going for aside from that

[trim badger]

Would be awesome if we had an option to make them a Reject or not hehe

[open ravine]

Lame to hate dogs lame

[sudden cedar]

@tepid otter Consider Extra Toughness, Stamina Regen and Ability Cooldown.

@open ravine How simple dislike or not preference is somehow hate i dont get. I guess people will always have to blow everything out of proportions.

[open ravine]

Lame

[sudden cedar]

Think what you want.

[open ravine]

Anyways which pop will get hit harder by arbites the vet mains or the zealot mains

[tepid otter]

Would curious with +1 Wound be better to get as well, there are times I keep dying after being downed 2 times, I only have 2 bars of the uhh, idk what you call it

[sudden cedar]

Both.

And everyone will call themselves some iteration of Dredd.

[tepid otter]

The health bars I guess??

[open ravine]

I am leaning towards vets if they don't get anything

[sudden cedar]

Because that is somehow funny or creative.

Extra Wounds are a trap.

[tame lodge]

So you have 2 wounds

[open ravine]

Lame stop being anti fun

[tame lodge]

[sudden cedar]

Because ammount of corruption damage taken is still the same.

More wounds means more wounds getting blocked by corruption meaning that ways to remove corruption will remove less outside of stims and med stations

[tame lodge]

It's okay to have an extra wound when you're learning
But they won't help you stay alive more than health and toughness though

[open ravine]

I like the safety net of a wound curio and their is no shame in taking one you just lose on some tankiness for taking one but gain a wound chance

[tepid otter]

Huh, so having jsut 2 wounds is okay to have even in higher dificulties?

[open ravine]

Also helps with grims

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's the default for all small humans

Ogryn gets 3 by default

[tepid otter]

Hmm, I keep seeing other random teammates have like 3 or 5 so I just thought it was important to increase that also

[tame lodge]

Then you have Martyrdom Zealot with 7 wounds

[tepid otter]

Oh, hmm

[sudden cedar]

@tepid otter Yes it is very much okay.

[tepid otter]

So having 3 curious with just Toughness on it is alright, or is there better ones to go for

[trim badger]

Nah

Standard is 2 toughness 1 stamina

In the higher diffs

[sudden cedar]

The only time it is really okay in the truest sense to stack wounds is on Martyrdom Zealot.

[open ravine]

zealot got some minor nodes which gives wounds

[sudden cedar]

Because Martyrdom Zealot needs wounds and lost wounds to benefit from the perks.

[tepid otter]

Ooh, okay. I'll keep an out on Stam curio from Zelks or the Requisition shop

[open ravine]

@tepid otter my advice play with what you like and don't sweat unless you are trying to havoc

[distant plaza]

is the display bug of...i think it's 400? +3 stam curios are really +2 in game still in effect?

[tepid otter]

Well I'd like to eventually get into Havoc, I like the stress from just doing harder difficulties kekw

[steep flower]

I personally use 3 toughness curios; its not the ammount of stamina thats important; its how you micromanage it

[sudden cedar]

I agree with that

[tepid otter]

Hmm, well right now, all 3 curious have the Ability cooldown, Sprint Efficiency and Dmg resists to Gunmen on it

[sudden cedar]

There are some situations where a bit more stamina may be needed, but stacking it is not really that helpful.

[tepid otter]

Is that like okay, or is there something I should replace

[sudden cedar]

I would replace Sprint Eff with more toughness and dmg resist with Stamina Regen

[trim badger]

Replace at least 1 of the gunners with stamina regeneration

[tepid otter]

Ooh, gotcha, thanks y'all.

[steep flower]

Sprint eff is a comfort pick; ppl go for ability cooldown, toughness, stamina regen, gunner resist & sometimes health

Rest is usually not worth it

Especially when experienced

[trim badger]

I'll equip triple corruption res and You can't stop me

[open ravine]

Revive speed is underappreciated

It helps in clutch moments

[steep flower]

You do that; zel can survive a crusher overhead with a specific build in havoc after all

[trim badger]

Saving all my Mel points for when Arbites releases

I only have 10k I'm poor

[native ocean]

Triple res speed on right tree vet goes hard

[steep flower]

Good team does not need to clutch but fair point

[native ocean]

I do it on ogryn too

[steep flower]

I have 60k milk coins

[sudden cedar]

That is the beauty of it.

You can play what you want.

Just don't expect everyone to like it or agree with your choices.

[dry pivot]

Holy shit, barely any difference to ranged damage

Feel no pain is nice

[steep flower]

I had maybe 3 times (no joke) when if i had rez speed increase on a curio i would save a guy/game but in general if you inderstand the mechanics of the game & know how to utilize your kit you don’t need rez speed; its all about spacing & proper timing with what you have

[dry pivot]

I guess 300 health is not too different from 450 when you have 160 extra toughness

[steep flower]

Its good

[steep flower]

Toughness is king

[dry pivot]

Yeah I'm figuring that out

This should probably go in ogryn chat but it was just calling back to an earlier conversation

[sudden cedar]

Toughness will regenerate or can be regenerated easily. Health cannot.

[steep flower]

Ever since they nerfed fire dmg stripping all your toughness on a single tick toughness ruled and rules till this day

[dry pivot]

Even so, ogryn's massive base health meant +% health was kind of significant

[steep flower]

Its an option

[dry pivot]

I'll try out a few combinations maybe

See what feels best

[sudden cedar]

When the scarriest enemy is not the Reaper in front of you but that little shit shooter with a Recon Lasgun.

[dry pivot]

Yeah, ranged will melt you in seconds

At least you can stagger reapers

[steep flower]

On havoc 40 5% hp on a curio is like ~19 hp increase

[sudden cedar]

I might add. Havoc Shooter.

[unreal nova]

Shush, don't leak my nonsense.

[steep flower]

Infantry

[dry pivot]

No wonder the psykers take the ranged shield on their sword

[sudden cedar]

True, it is an Infantry Lasgun, but the rate of fire. Man.

[nimble wadi]

If I’m playing recon lasgun with infernus/dumdum and dueling sword, I can use the lasgun to horde clear, correct? I’m still not sure and it works but it feels so wrong shooting hordes lol

[steep flower]

Deflector is underrated; saved me a couple of times

[sudden cedar]

You can, of course. Would be more efficient to use the Duelling Sword.

[steep flower]

Lol no

[dry pivot]

I would consider deflector necessary for havoc lol

It also reduces block cost

[sudden cedar]

It is not.

[dry pivot]

So you can be budget ogryn

[nimble wadi]

This is why I’m not sure because some people say yes and others say no lmao

[dry pivot]

In advance of the other classes being budget ogryn

[native ocean]

Not getting hit > withstanding hit

[dry pivot]

I know but you never know what will happen

[native ocean]

Oh but I do know

[dry pivot]

We avoid being hit mostly

[sonic kayak]

Just heavy attack with the DS and drag it around, the lingering hotbox allows you to kill multiple enemies

[native ocean]

Either I kill the enemy or they kill me

[unreal nova]

Things happen, so 245 hp Zealot in H40 go.

[nimble wadi]

I mean the ammo really doesn’t matter cuz the crits make it semi irrelevant

[dry pivot]

Even me, I'm an ogryn I have a huge hitbox but also great toughness regen, but I have the same i-frames with the dodge

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova Our damage sponge Aura Bot.

[dry pivot]

So kind of balances out

[sonic kayak]

Shooting into hordes is just a bad habit

[sudden cedar]

It will always depend on the situation.

[sonic kayak]

Unless you're saving a mate from getting surrounded and you see them visibly struggling, then maybe

[distant plaza]

can i get some opinions/feedback on this build? is this more suitable for an infantry autogun?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f133510-c66f-47c0-8949-11c34099876d/crits-no-keystone

[unreal nova]

Flamer burn is gud then.

[sonic kayak]

It is, that's why it's probably the mixed horde king

[tame lodge]

Pretty solid

I would go Deathspitter instead of Fire Frenzy

And the extra suppression node is very meh

For Vraks5 that is

[trim badger]

Add flamer to vet already please

[distant plaza]

none of those three nodes look appetizing tbh 😐

[tame lodge]

And you are right

💀

However

You have out for blood with frags

[maiden tendon]

Im running revolver rn, whats a good melee weapon for clearing zombies fast?

[tame lodge]

Born Leader would provide a smidge of toughness for your team

[tame lodge]

Horde and horde alone
Chainsword

Otherwise

Heavy Sword, Rashad, Power Sword

[maiden tendon]

I assume shovel is just a starter weapon and isnt meant to be kept

[tame lodge]

It's a mid weapon

Not great not terrible

[maiden tendon]

hm, ill check out heavy sword, thanks for advice

[sudden cedar]

Light Attacks for Waves, Heavy Attacks for specials and elites.

[mystic hull]

Coming back after a big break, how is plasma and blister doing these days?

[sudden cedar]

Blister?

[tame lodge]

Top weapons

Plasma still not using the charge function

Bolter got buffs

Mostly ammo and handling

[mystic hull]

Autocorrect, yes bolter ♥️

[trim badger]

Remember that you can get better shovels

[mystic hull]

Plasma you don't charge and you just spam it to high heat?

[sonic kayak]

wdym? More delay obviously means more damage, the more pain I get from charging my plasma shots, the more pleasure I get when it's wasted on missing a standing-still Gunner or Reaper

[maiden tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/shovel-knight-running-gif-9278428

[sonic kayak]

Not charging mitigates every single "issue" with the Plasma Gun

[native ocean]

And lmb once at max heat to instantly remove 25% is heat iirc

[sonic kayak]

An ideal roll allows you 8 continuous shots until overheat, which all have extremely high cleave as per the Plasma Gun's function, and you don't blow up from LMB

[mystic hull]

Is charge time the dump stat in that case?

[tame lodge]

Not exactly

@tired egret

Because charge rate still affects the speed of your normal shots

[unreal nova]

Give it to Psyker as well because funni.

[trim badger]

He has Magic fire that's better!!!

[unreal nova]

68-69 thermal, 72-71 charge rate. Not all 68s can do 8 shots though. Mine just barely skirts it.

[unreal nova]

But DOUBLE BURN.

[agile forge]

It's a crutch basically

Wounds can save you from grand failures

Toughness protects you from smaller slips

[hollow ibex]

wounds actively hurt you by making health stimms heal less too

and if you take toughness or health, you might not have gone down to begin with

[agile forge]

Yep yep

I get why newbies can use one for Heresy+

But you should aim to drop the security blanket asap

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's fine if (a) you're new to the game or (b) you're running martyrdom

[severe jolt]

Field Improv and Beacon of Purity are also much less effective with more wounds, because they only heal corruption from the current one.

[agile forge]

Martyrdom is its own weird thing

[steep flower]

Better use something else; chainsword is alright but for what it was suppose to do its lacking

[tame lodge]

Nah horde and horde alone chswords beat anything else in the game

[agile forge]

I love it so much lol

[agile forge]

Would you use the 4 or the 13g?

[hollow ibex]

13g combos are kinda ass

[dry pivot]

I was gonna say man despite this extra dr and toughness I was taking more health damage

[tame lodge]

13g

[dry pivot]

Then I realised I was holding a grimoire

[tame lodge]

Shred and Wrath

Light Light Light Light Light Light Light Light Light Light

[native ocean]

Infinite cleave my beloved

[dry pivot]

Bury the light

[hollow ibex]

you're technically supposed to PA L H or some shit like that

i always end up just light spamming

[native ocean]

I light spam everything

Except hsword

[tame lodge]

Then light heavy loop after that pa

Funny sweeps

Alternatively

light x10

[hollow ibex]

lol fatshart pretending to give a shit about balance in the game

https://tenor.com/view/maybeeeee-try-not-to-laugh-gif-12778510

didn't expect the dev blog to be a comedic piece

[native ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-patrick-spongebob-squarepants-holding-back-laughter-laughter-gif-23404300

Pretending to care about balance yet brain burst is still bad

Curious

[trim badger]

What's that talent

[grand perch]

people literally always complain about balance

[native ocean]

Perilous combustion

[sonic kayak]

If balance is so important, they should buy some scales

[native ocean]

Kill a special, kill an elite, white flame kablooey

[hollow ibex]

gee, i wonder why

[tame lodge]

Perilous Combustion
Core talent on psyker

[native ocean]

It all stacks without any apparenr limitarions so you could solo dog swarms for example

[hollow ibex]

maybe, just maybe, the balance of the game is a masive clusterfuck right now

[dry pivot]

Still a bit more health damage than I'm used to

[trim badger]

Ye I just didn't recognize the image xddd

[hollow ibex]

it was just buffed last patch, or was it the patch before that

[dry pivot]

More toughness is better right

[hollow ibex]

very recently

[grand perch]

or maybe, maybe there hasnt ever been a single game with active devs where people didnt complain about balance

[dry pivot]

Cause I was doing fine

With 2 health and 1 wound

[hollow ibex]

you're alllowed to have both at once

they're not mutually exclusive

[trim badger]

I don't see people complaining about VT2 balance anymore outside of versus mode

But versus is not really the game

[native ocean]

🤨 are you sure those weren't assail buffs

[hollow ibex]

it depends, health will save you against bursters and snipers, toughness for everything else

[hollow ibex]

no PC was buffed too

[tame lodge]

VT2 is also the game where Axe actually sucks big time

[hollow ibex]

it can get procced off itself (SB) now

[tame lodge]

💀

[dry pivot]

Well actually I am killing in melee a lot more

[trim badger]

That's why you either weild two of them or add a falchion to it

Or a shield!!!

[tame lodge]

Good, power crept axe

We love it

[tame lodge]

Oh wait

This is an actual Fatshark "The alternative is better" moment

[trim badger]

Staggerthp nerf complaints are babies

#NoobsOwned

[tame lodge]

Why use axe when falxe is better

[trim badger]

Cuz falxe is dlc looool

[grand perch]

all i know is if i was a dev i would learn to ignore balance cries real fast

perfect balance is an illusion

[dry pivot]

Balance sort of ruined helldivers 2 for a bit

[severe jolt]

I have almost 3000 hours in VT2 but I don't remember ever thinking "hmm maybe I should try the axe!" even once. It's really the most irrelevant option in the entire game.

[hollow ibex]

nobody is even asking for perfect lmfao

[grand perch]

concentrate on the obvious broken stuff like ds, job done

[trim badger]

I don't think anyone ever dreams for perfect balance pfff

[dry pivot]

Then the devs went with how fun things were, vibes

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-so-much-worse-oh-come-on-lucystags-gif-25493810

[trim badger]

But I do like how it's handled in VT2

Most things are usable in cata so

[tame lodge]

Base game axe getting mogged by paid content axe

Does it make sense? Well yes you paid for it

Is it pay to win?........

[trim badger]

Hahahaha... And that's not the only example

Spear?

[severe jolt]

Isn't the torpedo a DLC weapon too?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[trim badger]

Well you have a spear and shield dlc weapon lololol

[tame lodge]

Trollhammer goes boom

Same with the good pistol for Bardin

[native ocean]

Jokes aside I still think dorktide balance is fine for the most part

[tall torrent]

ngl I kinda prefer unhallowed bellow over improved heavy bolter (rogue trader)

[trim badger]

Hold on hold on Handgun is actually still peak

[native ocean]

However a dsword nerf would go hard

[tame lodge]

I'm going for it this playthrough

I'm already using Auroras

So I'll get Argenta a heavy bolter as well

[severe jolt]

crossbow as ranger, handgun on other careers
that's generally my loadout

[tall torrent]

it's only 2~3 points less dmg but the effect is pretty cool

more importantly way less reloading

96r capacity, no shifting firerate

improved heavy bolter gets like 2 bursts and u gotta reload

[tame lodge]

"a successful hit....."

But each shot from a burst counts

Hold on

If that's the case

Then this Bolter is actually way crazier

[tepid otter]

Is that from Rogue Traders

[dry pivot]

Yeah it was user error

This toughness is great

Can walk up on gunners terminator-style

[tall torrent]

yea

me when I debuff an enemy 12 times with 1 attack

and I can burst 8 times before reloading

and u can build RT to cut burst AP to just 1 with artificer power armor

[tame lodge]

Yup

Fun game

Lots of power fantasy (comically unbalanced game)

Psykers are really strong there

Or well
In general

[tall torrent]

psyker bladedancer executioner
and soldier arch militant
are prob the strongest for dps

[tame lodge]

Divination Biomancy was the most fun I've ever had

So far that is

300+ % dodge

With over 150 WS

And WP

[tall torrent]

alacrity is so silly

[tame lodge]

While also counter attacking when parrying

Quite literally soloing 10+ horrors

[tall torrent]

I'm running into an issue with +50% NPC characteristics where hit chance for attacks are way lower

[tame lodge]

3 heralds

[tall torrent]

gotta use drukhari blast pistol at this point to have a chance of hitting anything for area atk

[tame lodge]

56 movement points

Also

[narrow frost]

Whenever you want

[tame lodge]

However
The highlight of Rogue Trader for me so far was when The Insidious killed herself due to Demonic Attention

Traded 1950k HP boss for a blue horror

That was hilarious

[solar valve]

Pyromancer soldier AM is insanely strong for clear. It will get outdone in boss damage by bladedancer exe tho

Since the pyro abilities also count towards versatility

And it gives AM the armor penetration it lacks

[slow spade]

Yeah that's the issue we found too, basically everyone turned into Operator snipers with lasguns or Psykers lol

you know it's bad when a RT Operator Sniper doesn't have 95% chance to hit 😔

[crisp oak]

Been having fun with sanctic biomancy

I find it funny that using a witch staff (13-20 damage probably isnt the best weapon to be using) I can still 1 turn most fights

[tall torrent]

hard coping with drukhari blaster
I'm even taking las weapon mastery for more dodge reduction

[crisp oak]

Sounds like yrliet is your bedt bet

Cus 100% hit rate

[heavy rover]

I've been wondering about something. Do you end up rolling twice for a crit chance if you end up shooting through two heads with one shot?

[slow spade]

we had luck using Flamers due to the fact they cannot avoid damage if you block their dodges but yeah we had to change things up as even a 120 weapon skill, 80 agil melee fighter only got like 60% chance to hit against some of the endgame enemies

[slow spade]

crits are rolled before they even land

just need to be lucky once

[heavy rover]

Ah I see

[tall torrent]

I hard cope by taking las weapon mastery with this

50 dodge reduction

plus concentrated fire

[crisp oak]

Can you dodge if prone?

[tall torrent]

no

[slow spade]

ah yeah that'll do it lol 3 burst too

my melee friend just had to use a dagger for the entire game after Act 2 for the 50 dodge reduction lol

I wish we could lower their dodge just so non-dagger and las guns would be more viable

[crisp oak]

Maybe a kick burst build then

[ashen iron]

Hi Im new to the game. Is the revolver good in the endgame for veteran? Im really liking it so far. I think its the zarona mkIV quick stub revolver if im not mistaken. The ADS one

[hollow ibex]

Good but drops off hard on havoc

[quiet valley]

It's very strong but struggles with ammo economy and breakpoints in High Havoc

[narrow frost]

Best gun outside of havoc

Go have fun

Try the cowboy one

[tall torrent]

strongest gun in the game outside of havoc/mortis

[stuck shuttle]

Watching some videos on smoke in havoc 40, haven't tested. Viable? Seems like the biggest crunch on fighting through the attrition waves is the gunners

[narrow frost]

My video?

[stuck shuttle]

Big Dom

[narrow frost]

😔

Lol

But yeah smokes are easily viable

They are psyker bubbles without toughness regen

And they even disable more then half the specials

Dogs sniper flamer stop

And trapper has to get closer before shooting

[stuck shuttle]

That's amazing, dm me? I'll definitely check out the video!

[narrow frost]

I did a 4 vet all with smokes

https://youtu.be/IhrV7dDOmqo?si=p1LC4SMXdQRk8WuL

[grand perch]

we should do 4 vets with tac axes

[narrow frost]

I was considering

I asked bunmer if we should add another challenge

Since 4 smokes was already done before

All 4 taxe?

[grand perch]

ill even tolerate gale with his interesting blessing choices

[narrow frost]

Decimator is actually better then headtaker in havoc

[quiet valley]

4 Exec stance run when

[narrow frost]

It stacks for more power

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/sugi-real-real-japan-incorrect-wrong-no-gif-14788067389930697817

All 4

Tactical Axe

4

[narrow frost]

Maybe

[grand perch]

if you keep hitting

[vital sable]

Do the "Throw sometimes 2 grenade at once" not work with the Krak grenade?

[tall torrent]

It works

Just

Not very well

[faint beacon]

Unarmored over maniac and Deci over HT

[narrow frost]

Works very well considering taxes needs it's cleaving heavies

[faint beacon]

You have more damage and your Taxe becomes more effective with hordes

[tall torrent]

3 cleave isn’t gonna cleave basically anything in havoc lol

[narrow frost]

More cleave then 1 target

Can cleave multiple shotgunners and bruisers that I noticed

[tame lodge]

The power of brutal momentum

[narrow frost]

Wait

Would a cleave aura break the game?

Loner replacement

[faint beacon]

Perchance but I mean it would immediately be a must pick with havoc hitmass

[tame lodge]

What value are we talking about

+cleave?

-mass?

[tall torrent]

Not enough, unfortunately

3 cleave

[tame lodge]

10%?
15?

[tall torrent]

With 10 Decimator u get 4.5

A single poxwalker is 4.8

@narrow frost

[tame lodge]

I miss when walkers were 1.25 by default

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-i-miss-my-wife-gif-11815978239493048011

[narrow frost]

Ah

[narrow frost]

Unsure

Maybe less mass aura

Enemies around the aura have less mass

[tall torrent]

That’s a nightmare to code

[narrow frost]

I know

It was a random thought

Seems funny

Enemies so scared they lose weight in front of the zealot

[barren nimbus]

It's actually impressive that they've managed to release every single cosmetic and some multiple times over except the kasarkin armour in the last 9 months

Same with the bullgryn helmet

[tame lodge]

An aura that adds suppression value to your melee

💀

So you queue 21st moebian all day

[magic yoke]

I beg fatshark to just bite the bullet and do away with the store rotation,

[severe jolt]

it might actually become illegal in the EU

[magic yoke]

is there even a way to check when the next store rotation is

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

Leaks every now and then

Alternatively

Hopes and prayers

[barren nimbus]

Genuinely there's no possible way next week isn't the bullgryn mas

there's no way they have more shit to pump out, its impossible

[hollow ibex]

Prob going to be slop

Since they put out all the good stuff in the last rotation

[tidal quail]

what perks should I give to a plasma gun/power sword

[hollow ibex]

All in the pins

#veteran-class message

For plasma

[tall torrent]

unarmored + flak for plasma
carapace + elite for power sword

[hollow star]

gonna need a spread sheet for perks

[barren nimbus]

Whats the best chainsword build and mark

[sturdy crescent]

Reject modernity embrace tradition combat axe

But best is your knowledge how to use melee

[earnest phoenix]

hip fire plasma gun wont let you blow up but braced will ?

braced for maximizing dmg though right ? feels like the damage sucks of bosses

[golden bluff]

Is boltgun still deeply meh? I desire to wield the iconic gun tonight

[pseudo fiber]

God I wish no

just hipfire it

[pseudo fiber]

Bolter is pretty amazing rn

[earnest phoenix]

only hip , got it

[golden bluff]

[earnest phoenix]

first time playing vet ,300 hrs zealot

neat guns

[hollow ibex]

One of the strongest vet guns, and firing it feels like having sex

Full auto and done in three seconds

[earnest phoenix]

i dont like shot delay on plasma

[crisp oak]

I like to unload it into poxwalker hordes and steal all the ammo

[golden bluff]

Glad to hear it's where it should be then

[copper ingot]

Are melee attacks also count to this penance (Make Every Shot Count 90% accuracy)?

[hollow ibex]

No but it's easily done with DB shotgun

Since any pellet hit is a hit

For the purposes of this penance

[copper ingot]

thanks

[magic yoke]

just finished maxing my duelling sword and I now struggle to use any other weapon, duelling sword is a literal brainrot weapon confirmed

[hollow ibex]

Yeah DS will absolutely make you a worse player

[sudden cedar]

Go ahead. Use it. Eventually you will grow bored of it.

And seek variety in weapon choice.

Or not. As long as you have fun.

[sturdy crescent]

Honestly I'm using combat axe because it's feeling easy for me to use

[steep flower]

@agile forge Hey man; sorry it took me way too long today; check your Discord DM for that Chainaxe Vet build!

@dry pivot Hey man sorry but i stayed for a very long time today; if you want we can play now i have like an hour for sure!

[umbral scaffold]

That’s why I used most other melee until recently I’ve maxed mine out

[edgy dew]

What's so great about the DS? Never used one cause the aesthetic seemed off

[orchid hemlock]

Use it

[hollow ibex]

The only weakness it has is mediocre horde clear. It's incredible at literally everything else

[tame lodge]

And even the mediocre horde clear is good

💀

[dry pivot]

Uhh I think there's like a system for this

Oh whatever, I will just send you my friend code

Doesn't seem to be an option, he has DMs from strangers turned off which is understandable

Helldivers showed me that you can create a lobby code, but it requires know-how on both ends

[edgy dew]

I think I'd have to play psyker for dueling sword, it doesn't suit my vet or zealot 😭

[dry pivot]

Ok let me tell you this

As psyker you will really like deimos force sword iv

Thing is so good

You can light spam hordes decently, but you can stab with it and the heavy 2 stab fucking puts crushers on their ass

Probably psyker's most versatile asset

[agile forge]

You didn't send me a DM >_>

Nvm I am dumb

[steep flower]

check discord

[agile forge]

I found it, thank you

[ocean idol]

This is great

[plain osprey]

I can barely seen anything

[snow cypress]

What's the dump stat of chainsword?

[narrow frost]

Mobility

[snow cypress]

Makes sense

Thanks

Is chainsword good for hordes?

Yes,right?

I'm kinda struggling with them

[narrow frost]

it only really works best agaisnt unarmored hordes

but most higher difficulty has mixed horde

which it struggles against

[grand nymph]

Is there a best gun for Vet?

[tame lodge]

There's a top 5

Zarona Revolver

Vraks5

Plasma

Bolter

Recon

In no particular order

But top 5

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah

It's called

[hollow ibex]

No

It's

[tame lodge]

Clearly
Slander

Smh

[snow cypress]

I was using the chainaxe but now with the chainsword is even worse :/

[slow spade]

just be aware the rankings change in higher Havocs due to hp scaling

[slow spade]

chain weapons have had it rough for like the entire history of this game

[snow cypress]

yeah i see why lol

[tame lodge]

Shred Wrath on the Xiiig
Spam lights on horde

[snow cypress]

I need something for hordes

[tame lodge]

Fastest for pure hordes

The alternative is Heavy Sword

Rashad Combat Axe

Power Sword

[snow cypress]

Power sword is boring af and too slow at switching

[slow spade]

careful if you pick the chainsword, the devs will personally come into your game and spawn only scab ragers

[hollow ibex]

Are you block canceling?

[snow cypress]

OH GOD THOSE MF ARE HORRIBLE

[hollow ibex]

The draw times should be standard though

[slow spade]

use the Mk6

[tame lodge]

Would you believe me if I told you it's the number 1 vet melee

[slow spade]

Mk6 can animation cancel to be faster

[tame lodge]

[snow cypress]

well more than slow is unconfortable

because i need to use the special to really kill well the hordes

[slow spade]

yeah mk6 animation cancel should cover you

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it's a weapon that's easy to get fucked in

[slow spade]

do a push to be safer

[hollow ibex]

In really bad hordes you need to push

[slow spade]

power sword is surprisingly stamina heavy

[hollow ibex]

But it's very powerful

[slow spade]

with its very pwoerful push attack + reliance on pushes for space

[hollow ibex]

Fucks ragers, muties, bosses, everything

[snow cypress]

What's an alternative for power sword?

[hollow ibex]

Rashad

Much simpler

[slow spade]

raschad

you need Brutal momentum though

so level it

first

[snow cypress]

Oh

[tame lodge]

Or heavy sword

But bring something for carapace

[snow cypress]

Rashad is the weapon I started to use with this build

back to the origins

It is really good :]

[snow cypress]

I think i've never used it

[slow spade]

it's probably the safest weapon once built correctly

[snow cypress]

Is rashad good against ragers and all that heretic stuff?

[slow spade]

yes

in fact one of the best melees vs ragers

[snow cypress]

[slow spade]

because you can stagger them out of their combo

and 2-3 hit kill them

[snow cypress]

I love that

[slow spade]

push attack staggers them out of the combo so you need stamina

[snow cypress]

ig the dump stat is mobility

[slow spade]

yeah

the main requirement is Brutal Momentum

and max damage

[snow cypress]

Is Brutal + Thrust a good combo?

Sounds great

[tame lodge]

For what? Combat Axe?

Nope

Brutal Headtaker all the way

Way more consistent

Way more lenient

[snow cypress]

ohhhh makes sense

yeeaaah

thanks :]

[loud belfry]

(deadchat.gif)

[hollow ibex]

back in my day, people doing this actually posted gifs smh

[loud belfry]

i have an innate sense of when i should and shouldnt do such a thing

[sonic kayak]

The decay consumes, after all

[nimble wadi]

Hi when will you consume microwaved ice cream

[sonic kayak]

Microwaved ice cream? Do you need your warm milk before beddy time?

[nimble wadi]

[sonic kayak]

Can't eat ice cream cold?

[radiant pendant]

how much does the power sword charge actually give in terms of damage and cleave?

[hollow ibex]

you're a god when it's on, and when it's off, you're using a pool noodle

cleave is like 3-4x more

damage depends, but prob goes up to 100x more for carapace

[nimble wadi]

No microwaving it for like 1 minute is S tier

[radiant pendant]

if thats the case then would it be a waste to use brutal momentum?

[sonic kayak]

You might as well put your ice cream into a pot and warm it on the stove

[hollow ibex]

no beacuse it's not like you have infinite cleave

brumentum is still the meta blessing

[radiant pendant]

ok thanks

[hollow ibex]

also even damage goes down the more targets you cleave... unless you have brumentum

[radiant pendant]

damn i didnt know it did that thats super good then

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's a very powerful blessing lol

[nimble wadi]

No

[iron ravine]

new to this server, but it is agreed upon that the marksman path for veteran is weak right

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

It's not weak
It's inconsistent

[iron ravine]

good on paper

[tame lodge]

Shoehorns you into ranged only

[iron ravine]

but in a horde shooter

[tame lodge]

MMF only works on certain guns

[iron ravine]

i want to make it work with hellborne so bad

[tame lodge]

It's good on a horde shooter

Lots of heads to hit

[iron ravine]

maybe a bit of a skill issue then

[hollow ibex]

yeah needs a rework

[iron ravine]

but i think it needs a rework

[hollow ibex]

unfun to play, and just not very good

[iron ravine]

and the way bot pathfinding works

they'll pass players that are closer to them and come after you

when you're trying to snipe

doesn't help

like i find the marksman keystone just weak in comparison to the tagging one when doing a marksman build

[hollow ibex]

personally i'd like to see the keystone "split"

one for finesse, one for general damage

you take one or the other

[hasty grove]

W marksman it’s good to let your teammates (such as ur zealot or Ogryn) to clear hordes while you hang back and pick off specialist enemies

[hollow ibex]

you gain stacks on weakspot hits

no stack decay

done

[iron ravine]

well i try to do that

[hollow ibex]

very easy fix if fatshart decides not to be braindead

[iron ravine]

but like i said the ai pathfinding makes it not so easy

[hasty grove]

I just use the bistol

Stacks aren’t an issue when I kill everything with one BEEG BULLET

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-heavy-meet-the-heavy-bullet-outsmart-bullet-gif-20206045

[tame lodge]

In reality you pick Reciprocity let the enemies get closer to you and use the extra CRIT chance to maximize your MMF value

[hasty grove]

Idk what any of that means

[iron ravine]

which talent is reciprocity

[hasty grove]

Im a very simple woman:
point blank enemies of me emprah and they explode into gore

Easy as

[iron ravine]

i mean my helborne lasgun build already hits more crits than not

[tame lodge]

Lower Right Side
5% crit chance on successful dodges, stacks 5 times

[iron ravine]

honestly as long as i ads with the lasgun and charge it its a guaranteed crit

[hollow ibex]

sorry, but bistol breakpoints are kinda ass

[hasty grove]

Dunno what that means

[hasty grove]

^^^

the bistol makes my brain feel funny, it’s good for my VoC build since I like the special attack it has for fighting up close, and it suits my character since shes a commissar

[iron ravine]

well it is THE staple commissar pistol

so understandable

[tame lodge]

It's additive
More CRIT chance means aim for less time

[hasty grove]

Shes slaying (her own strike team)

[hollow ibex]

It means you have to use two shots to kill a lot of enemies rather than one

[iron ravine]

true

[hollow ibex]

Which is a big deal on a gun like bistol

[hasty grove]

After I hit them with me chainsword they go down pretty easily

I take down most specialists w one shot and everything below them

[hollow ibex]

the entire point of breakpoints is that you don't have to do any other damage

you just one shot them and move on

[hasty grove]

Any heavy weights I saw through their armor before finishing them off with the bistol or sticking a krak grenade to them

[iron ravine]

do you use the tagging keystone

[hasty grove]

Idk

Probably not

[iron ravine]

well it might help with the breakpoints they talk about

making enemies 1 shot instead of 2

[hollow ibex]

yeah FT is one way to meet breakpoints

[iron ravine]

i do that with bistol on my commissar build

[hasty grove]

I shoot my bistol into poxwalker hordes and I’m tired of pretending I don’t

[iron ravine]

no its fine

good at group stagger

plus, pretty sure it penetrates one on headshot

[hollow ibex]

waste of holy munitions

report to the commissar for summary execution

[iron ravine]

but they are the commissar

[hasty grove]

I AM the commissar

[tame lodge]

Catch 22

[hasty grove]

And no holy ammunition is wasted so long as it finds itself firmly embedded in the fetid body of the xenos, heretic, or mutant

[tame lodge]

The commissar must report to the commissar

Except they are the commissar

[hasty grove]

I have to report to myself

[hollow ibex]

report to morrow then

morrow will take good care of you

[hasty grove]

Were both Steel Legion so I’m sure he will

[hollow ibex]

(go play mortis trials if you haven't)

[hasty grove]

Armageddon REPRESENT 🔥🔥

[hasty grove]

I think not

I played it once and really didn’t like it

[tame lodge]

Make sure to say loud and clear to morrow:
"The blood must flow"

[hasty grove]

Is Morrow a sleeper agent or something?

[tame lodge]

It's an old greetings from steel legion

[iron ravine]

wdym mortis trials are fun

good for xp grinding too

[hasty grove]

He once told me to give someone the old steel legion hello but that was in reference to a sanctus redactus target

[hasty grove]

I don’t like “simulation” segments in games and I didn’t enjoy the gameplay loop

It’s not bad, just not for me

[hollow ibex]

yeah i don't play it much either

there's just a bit of a morrow lore dump that talks about his... feelings towards comissars

[hasty grove]

I assume he hates us

Unfortunately, thats kinda the point

[iron ravine]

idk the waves often have like a bunch of one kind of enemy

reminds me of Garden Warfare 2 waves

[hollow ibex]

man there was a great drawing about morrow in the subreddit

but now i can't find it

[hasty grove]

Morrow probably wouldn’t like my reject because she’s originally a Cadian Shock Troop before she ended up on Armageddon in her later years

Other regiments hating eachother n’ stuff

[hollow ibex]

||https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1jue919/the_blood_must_flow_morrow_lore_from_mortis_trials/||

mortis trial spoilers if you care

[hasty grove]

Well it’s a good thing Madam Varn isn’t a complete brainlit

||With enough common sense to realize pointlessly throwing soldiers into a meatgrinder means you have less soldiers to do actually important things||

[uncut pebble]

Morrow doesn't hate rejects.

[hasty grove]

I meant Commissars

[uncut pebble]

Then why would you say it like that...

[faint beacon]

Commissars hate everyone but it depends on the regiment

[uncut pebble]

Not true.

[faint beacon]

Cause if you’re a catachan youll wake up with a frag under your bed

[uncut pebble]

Lots of commissars do respect their underlings.

It's just a very specific character thing, not broad spectrum.

99.98% of commissars do hate their underlings though.

And likely each other.

[hasty grove]

Commissar Varn generally doesn’t respect her underlings but won’t pointlessly expend them because it’s bad for morale and generally a stupid fucking idea to throw a fourth of your manpower down the drain for nothing

There isn’t respect but there also isn’t any hatred, you’re just an asset that will be used accordingly

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kqwM5UB3V3sb9oaE1?invite=cr-MSx0ZVUsMTA3NDAxNTcz

[uncut pebble]

And that is exactly how Morrow feels regarding rejects, though he does hope you come back alive. (you're more useful that way and he doesn't like burying war buddies)

[hasty grove]

Imagine being a level headed person in 40k

[hasty grove]

This comes with a HEAVY asterisk; if she deems your sacrifice worth it you bet your ass you’re going to march to your death or promptly have your head removed via. Bolt
Pistol

[faint beacon]

Oh just be my Veteran who’s a sarcastic prick about everything cause they’ve already seen everything

[hasty grove]

My reject started off similarly when I first started playing but I’ve changed her to reflect how long I’ve been playing

[faint beacon]

Ex-Hiveganger, Loose Cannon, yup it’s Steel Legion time

[hasty grove]

Idris is a Cadian cutthroat

After many years in the warband’s service she briefly returned to the militarum on Armageddon before returning to the warband willingly

Turns out I still have a screenshot of young Idris

[grand perch]

"its torment is over"

[grand perch]

good news: you can

[frail citrus]

No way, he puts his neck out for us A LOT. He warns us about messing with Dukane, he selects US for important missions that align with his own goals, we're good assets for him and worth keeping around

he doesnt need us getting killed doing something stupid

He blows off Sire Melk when he questions our operatives performance

he sends US to save a COMISSAR, if i was him i wouldnt send some shit head for that job id send my buddies

[grand nymph]

A bit confused on Curios, the actual thing doesn't matter and its just what blessings and perks it provides right? On all these builds I see blessed bullets but it doesn't matter right?

[magic yoke]

The curio name doesn’t correlate to its quality as far as I’m aware

[grand nymph]

Gotcha ty

[uncut pebble]

The only thing to watch out for on curios is that +3 stamina curios below 410 rating are fakes.

Otherwise, the type of curio doesn't matter, only the numerical values on them.

[umbral scaffold]

Which recon is considered best for vet? I’m undecided on the Xiv or mk xii

I haven’t touched much of vlc yet

[grand perch]

They all good

[prisma vessel]

DOG DOG DOG

[sudden cedar]

Depends a lot on how much fire rate you are able to deal with

[neat stratus]

What do yall think of these stats 🗿

[unreal nova]

Ppl will reeeeeeeeeeee and say dump cleave targets.

[short sinew]

reeeeeee dump cleave targets

[neat stratus]

Nah, Id be stationary

"Shoot the elites"

My brother in christ, when's the last time you've seen one in melee range? Youre welcome

Started dump firing ammo into hordes because "oh hes just saving ammo for next match"

How do I tell em a bolt pistol isnt as good for crowd control as a power sword 😭

[unreal nova]

Just say, throw a frag.

If it's bistol, usually means lethal prox. That's your room clear there.

[neat stratus]

Yeah but their complaint was that I wasnt shooting enough

They probably didnt even know what weapon I was using tbh

[unreal nova]

Maybe too many gunners or specials around?

[magic yoke]

Some people just don’t seem to understand that wasting ammo on non elite enemies is stupid

[neat stratus]

Not even one

And whenever there was, either the shard psyker insta killed em or I did

[unreal nova]

Then I would just drop a 'nade and watch everything bleed out.

[gloomy cave]

Eh, depends on your weapon and build. And on the situation sometimes

[neat stratus]

Nah I like being compliant to their deficit

[unreal nova]

I guess, boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom.

[neat stratus]

Was fun to see the little guys flop over though

[magic yoke]

If you’re on something like flamer sure but I sigh every time I see someone using a boltgun or revolver to shoot random chaff that isn’t even a horde

[unreal nova]

Heh, and everything else getting staggered by the explosion?

[neat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/ludacris-stomp-af1-air-force1-big-foot-gif-16260191

[gloomy cave]

Well yes, but that's stupid because they're using revolver or boltgun. Use a recon lasgun with good ol' infinite ammo build and you're good to reduce hordes to ashes by way of flashlight

[unreal nova]

It's a, if you know, you know thing. Heh. I just keep like half ammo for actual serious use usually.

[neat stratus]

I save a mag or two personally

I have 16 bullets, and the elites are gonna have to share

[gloomy cave]

And sometimes you just don't have time to switch weapons, which I meant by "situation matters"

[unreal nova]

Rest, I shoot crushers or whatever I find funni to blam.

[neat stratus]

They wanted me to do so with a bolt pistol

[gloomy cave]

Oh good

[neat stratus]

You know, the weapon that only really works against single targets because it chunks the one that gets hit, at the cost of firerate?

They wanted me to act like I had a recon autogun or something

[unreal nova]

To be fair, trying to shoot twice quickly means you gamble the second shot to the crazy recoil spread.

[neat stratus]

I've gotten decent at compensating mid recoil

From 30m or so I can often manage a second hit

[unreal nova]

No, it's build in bug they couldn't fix lul.

[neat stratus]

Nah, I'd be good at gambling

(I'm so bad at aiming it's not like the first would hit any more consistently anyways)

[unreal nova]

Ads and keep firing. It goes from accurate to lmao.

[neat stratus]

You might even hit a gunner way over there by accident

[unreal nova]

Like, wait, there was a <insert special here>?

[neat stratus]

Nah I'm saying that bolt pistol recoil is actually a secret mechanic that lets veterans passively fire so off target they actually shoot at something they should be

[unreal nova]

Sus.

[neat stratus]

Not sus

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[patent slate]

Is that jouske

[wanton vapor]

I think it’s Joe

[faint beacon]

Gappy is that you?

[tame lodge]

Wait
That's not Scout?

[lean yoke]

all the beefy melee weapons you would expect to be the best in game , but no the knife and dualing sword seems to be the best melee weapons to use , a toothpick outshines most weapons

[steep flower]

Chainaxe

[tame lodge]

DS5 having the best dodges with Defense and Mobility Stat

[lean yoke]

thats what i mean , we get chain axes and noteable weapons but they get out pwerformed by tooth picks lol , i never see anyone use the chain axe other than to level it for the pennence ,

[tame lodge]

Chain Axes having one of the worst dodges with Defense and Mobility Stat

💀

[steep flower]

You haven’t seen me play then

[steep flower]

Power sword, relic blade, eviserators

Chainaxe has acceptable dodge distance and 4 dodges which is good

[lean yoke]

heavy evis and power sword get outplayed by knives and dualing sword its so dumb , but heavy evis and power sword are good though they are what i use

[tame lodge]

Chainaxe and Eviscerators have basically the same dodges

💀

[steep flower]

And chainaxe being better at staggering on rev better than evi is a crime

[lean yoke]

weapon balance through out is quite poo tbh

i cant seem to get out of using bolter rifle power sword and krak grenades for my vet

but to be fair that combo is nice for armor and bosses excluding captains

[steep flower]

No wonder; if you dont use VoC with that setup you have no CC

[steep flower]

Its alright againts captains just not its shields

[grand perch]

Captains are time wasters anyway

[steep flower]

Unless surrounded by chaf or ones with sword

[signal zinc]

chat is this an good bolbgun

[steep flower]

Modifiers are golden

[signal zinc]

what abt perks and blessings

[tall torrent]

(It’s not)

[steep flower]

There are many combos you can utilize depending for what enemy its gonna be used; i personally use cara & unyield for perks and shattering & puncture blessings; they work together nicely

[steep flower]

In practice it is, especially considering the moveset

[tall torrent]

Nah
Negative dodge distance and 4 dodges is not “good” no matter how u spin it

[stuck tree]

[tall torrent]

The best u can say is “good enough for me”

Which is essentially saying nothing

[steep flower]

Despite even that its acceptable and 4 dodges is enough to be good

It takes used to

[tame lodge]

Having Mob and Def while also having one of the worst dodges is crazy work

💀

[tall torrent]

Your bar for “good” is too low then

[steep flower]

It still delivers; would not choose it over PS no joke cause ofcthe dodges

[tame lodge]

It's not the fact it "delivers"

It's the fact that it has 2 stats that should affect dodges

And still having bad dodges

[tall torrent]

no just purely cuz it's below avg for dodge

if u can say below avg is good then ur bar for "good" is too low

[steep flower]

As i said; it takes used to - i personally dont like PA & evi dodges but do i say they are bad? Nah

[tall torrent]

it's as simple as that

[tame lodge]

It basically has the same dodges as Eviscerators

💀

0.9

[steep flower]

I say better; they have dogwater dodges

[steep flower]

4

[tame lodge]

No

0.9 distance

I don't think you understand

It could have infinite dodges

You're not moving

Which is crazy

Because it has def and mob

[steep flower]

4 is 4

[tame lodge]

Ok so you're refusing to read what I'm typing

[steep flower]

Distance; evi has worse

[tame lodge]

Smh

Same 0.9

[steep flower]

It has -14%, same as PA

[tame lodge]

Are you reading

What I'm typing

God damn

[steep flower]

I remember the % and it was 12 - 14% minus depending if you have 80 or 60 mob

Chainaxe has -9%

[tall torrent]

it's ok
-2% distance, 4 dodges

eviscerator is like -12~14% distance, 4 dodges

but saying -2% distance and 4 dodges are "good" is statistically incorrect

[stuck tree]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-anime-gif-25088894

[steep flower]

Good enough

[tall torrent]

the vast majority of weapons dump mobility and still have 5 dodges and +1% dodge distance

so there's no way "below avg" is ever gonna be "good"

[normal bay]

Just use IJ to counter the terrible dodges

[steep flower]

The what now

[normal bay]

(Vet is still screwed)

[tall torrent]

also I'm pretty sure highest dodge is still knife, not DS5

[tame lodge]

This is "on a vacuum" moment

So external interference please

[tall torrent]

knife has higher dodge distance base

DS override is ninjafencer, knife override is ninjaknife

[steep flower]

Knife do be superior

[tall torrent]

ninjafencer is 2.75m
ninjaknife is 3m

[tame lodge]

WS gives faster dodges
So you can dodge an inch, but faster

[normal bay]

Zealot right keystone, increases dodge distance for some reason lol

[tame lodge]

[steep flower]

Is is 0.9 increase?

[stuck tree]

sneaky vet with knife

[tall torrent]

WS is +10% dodge distance

this scales based on base value, or overriden value

[steep flower]

I was jesting

[tame lodge]

An inch + 10%

[tame lodge]

No because 0.9 on top of x distance would actually be good

💀

[normal bay]

Imagine if chain weapons were top tier. Captains in shambles

[tame lodge]

Evis15 is goated

[tall torrent]

eviscerator XV and chainaxe IV are pretty cool, just need better stats

[tame lodge]

Now Chainaxe is aight
Not great not terrible

Chainswords unfortunately

Unless you're zealot then it's broken op

[tall torrent]

chainaxe is almost entirely better than eviscerator
but they don't have crit synergy so they get mogged

[tame lodge]

What no Bloodthirsty synergy does to a muhfuh

[tall torrent]

not that

chainaxe doesn't work with zealot's strongest kit which is crit

[tame lodge]

I'm not missing bloodthirsty propaganda

[tame lodge]

Not another finesse weapon for zealot

[normal bay]

I thought Chaxe has high crit chance? Or does it have a bad crit damage increase

[tall torrent]

neither is true

[crimson pebble]

youll eat your finesse and like it

[tame lodge]

Never 🗣️

[tall torrent]

chainaxe doesn't have high crit hance, and doesn't have bad crit dmg bonus

[tame lodge]

I'm a raw stat checker

Martyrdom for life fr fr

[last marten]

enlighten me 😭🥹

[tame lodge]

Bloodthirsty Rampage

Rev for everything

Hordes? Rev light

Bruisers? Rev heavy

Anything bigger than a bruiser? Rev heavy

Bulwark shield? Rev Heavy