veteran-class

[torn gorge]

for now

you mean

[tall torrent]

They actually hard counter almost every faction

[sharp cave]

so tesla weapons

[torn gorge]

dont forget nids started eating demons

just because

[tall torrent]

Drukhari is at total disadvantage vs any necron
Tyranids can’t feed biomass from necron
Necron can shut down chaos with their tech
They have better tech than both imperium and tau

[dry cloak]

also they killed god

[sharp cave]

GODS not god

not even gods

the cytan are embodyments of the universe itself

[dry cloak]

something like that

[crisp oak]

But if they win

There is a nonzero chance

Old ones come back

And whoop their asses

[faint beacon]

This is why they're the coolest Xenos Faction

that and only small pockets of them are waking up, this isn't even all of them

[tall torrent]

People talk about how much Necrons counter Tyranids but they’re rly the biggest counter to drukhari by far it’s not even funny

[crisp oak]

This galaxy is only a small portion of them

[faint beacon]

A lot of them are still asleep also

[crisp oak]

Fairly certain war in the heavens was larger in scale

[tall torrent]

Drukhari cannot harvest pain from Necrons
And necron weapons kill things so hard that drukhari can’t be resurrected if they get blasted by a single Gauss rifle by a necron warrior

[crisp oak]

Necrons win if the one dynasty decides to go to war (the ones with the funny map)

[crisp oak]

Can flayed ones feel pain?

[faint beacon]

Gauss weapons

literally dissamble at a molecular level

[tall torrent]

Like

[faint beacon]

you simply cease to exist

when you get shot by one

[tall torrent]

Even the supreme overlord of commoragh

[narrow frost]

gale.....

wake up

[faint beacon]

NO

[narrow frost]

claim weekly please

[faint beacon]

SHUT UP

[tall torrent]

If he gets shot by a Gauss rifle

He’s gone

[crisp oak]

I mean if vect is hit by a bolter he dies

Assuming his body isnt recovered

[tall torrent]

This is a great question but drukhari has almost no chance of beating a flayed one

[crisp oak]

Fair

But chaos might be able to corrupt it

[faint beacon]

No not at all

[tall torrent]

Nah they’re entirely incorruptible by chaos

[crisp oak]

They have their lodestones and shit, but when they are outside they are weak af to the warp

[tall torrent]

They don’t have souls

[faint beacon]

They're under the influence of a Virus from a C'Tan

[tall torrent]

No soul, zero contact with the warp

[crisp oak]

They arent blanks

[grand perch]

i liked the old necron lore when they were soulless terminators in servitude of the cthan

[crisp oak]

Like the whole point of the eldar was that the necrons were weak to the warp

[faint beacon]

that and when one shows up

a lot

show up

[crisp oak]

Thats why the old ones made the eldar

[tall torrent]

They can be hit by psychic abilities, doesn’t mean they’re corruptible by the warp

It just means they’re not particularly good at tanking fireball x3000

[tall torrent]

And this yea

Mind flayer virus

[faint beacon]

They think they're alive and have a never ending hunger

hence you see them smear flayed flesh on their face and bodies

[tall torrent]

Chaos would need to beat a c’tan’s influence

In REALSPACE

To have a chance of corrupting a flayed one

[faint beacon]

Basically thats next to null unless an endtime events happen

and you know damn well

GW is never doing that

[tall torrent]

40k sells too well for an end time event

[faint beacon]

besides im damn positive the Flayers scare the living hell out of anyone regardless of Faction

[pseudo fiber]

Remember 1 squad of space marines outsold the entire fantasy range

[faint beacon]

1

weeps

[pseudo fiber]

Not a range of them

A single box

[tall torrent]

The only real chance of Necrons losing is if c’tan break free

[crisp oak]

Or old ones coming back

[tall torrent]

They’re prob not coming back lol

[crisp oak]

Trazyn probably has one lying in his freezer

[tall torrent]

Speaking of

I hope rogue trader DLC 3

[crisp oak]

I hope they have the clone

[tall torrent]

If u go to trazyn and show him the halo device

[crisp oak]

As a throw away thing

[tall torrent]

He tells u what it actually is

[crisp oak]

Would trazyn know lol?

[slow spade]

"oh that's a cock ring"

[tall torrent]

Of all people he’s the likeliest to know tbh

[crisp oak]

He is the likliest

Imagine trazyn accidentally lets the krork out

Argenta seeing creed

[tall torrent]

What time period is rogue trader even set in

[crisp oak]

Well its after darktide (shovel dlc)

[tall torrent]

Darktide is during indomitus crusade, before plague wars

[crisp oak]

And cadia has fallen cuz the maw

[tall torrent]

Idk about “after DT”

Could just be a guy from tertium that left before DT events happened

[slow spade]

Post-Cadia

that's the closest I got

[crisp oak]

Swore they said the dude was a veteran from tertium

Which suggests they fought in tertium

[serene bough]

I thought it was pre-cadia

[crisp oak]

Maw wouldnt be an issue if it was pre-cadia

[serene bough]

The rift is there in RT but I dont think it cadia was destroyed yet

[slow spade]

Na, you specifically can't leave back to the Imperium because the Cadia collapsed the hyperlanes

[crisp oak]

Also there is an equipment called "for the defense of cadia"

[serene bough]

Ah I see

[loud belfry]

you know warhammer has all this lore and stuff but the stories themselves seem to suspiciously lack the time setting of the story

[slow spade]

that's actually explained in the lore by "we literally don't know the exact time and simply give a % estimation of when we think it is"

when a Warhammer date says 99M41 it means 99% chance it's set in the 41st millennium lol

[loud belfry]

their computers can't keep time, thats tragic

[odd sparrow]

oh thats what that means lol

[crisp oak]

I mean their computers are disembodied heads

[serene bough]

Warp travel and time paradoxes are a thing too I suppose

[slow spade]

it's not even by a small degree either, the exact millennium things happen is in debate lmao

[odd sparrow]

its because when the rift across the galaxy opened time went all fucky wucky. So time is never consistent across star systems and sometimes even planets in 40k

[slow spade]

yeah like how Battlefleet Gothic 1 and 2 are set 800 years apart but still have the EXACT same human protagonist

"This is Admiral Spire calling all Imperial forces to my location" -the same admiral who was declared lost 800 years ago

[mild oxide]

Isn't that just because warp travel fucky wucky?

[hollow ibex]

Nonsensical lore? It's just the warp bro

[slow spade]

that and the Inquisitorial branch in charge of time is fucked

[serene bough]

To be fair id be fcked over too trying to delegate time if 1 hour in the warp can end up being 800h real time

Or even hundreds of years

[slow spade]

honestly it's not even that, the fucking Chronos branch of the Inquisition disappeared and/or is in a civil war

[grand perch]

zarona shotgun + MMF with no repsite is silly for boss damage but i feel like agrip shotty gets more general use out of MMF

zarona is funny tho

[faint beacon]

Shotgun getting use from headshots

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1375230550901788672/caption.gif

[grand perch]

i mean its not unrealistic but kind of odd they need headshots so much

[tropic notch]

Do you think he’ll have a golden toughness ability like vet?

[faint beacon]

probs not

PTers help made it

[tropic notch]

Watch him have a talent that gives him 1 golden toughness

[faint beacon]

so, im expecting more so abilities if they are tanky based to give TDR/DR

[tropic notch]

Please buff cab

And fix it

[faint beacon]

Its fine

but do fix it to where it doesn't drop on Blocked hit

[tropic notch]

Yeah that’s my only problem with it

I still take it though lol

@faint beacon one of my friends who’s getting into the game says watching my dbarrel knife vet looks fun and he wants to be a vet main

Vet brainwashing

[faint beacon]

Mediocre class brainwashing

[hollow ibex]

Knife DB is a lot of fun tbf

[tropic notch]

[tropic notch]

I’ll make him learn vigil autos with exe stance

[tame lodge]

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/draco-malfoy-harry-potter-mewing-mew-slytherin-gif-8263298459687914233

[tropic notch]

With mmf

[grand perch]

superchad

[tall torrent]

Yea could have just been a veteran from tertium who left before DT events happened

[crisp oak]

Could be

[undone jungle]

genuinely how do you have fun with this class. most nerfed class in DTs history and has never been #1 im so irritated just playing it oh my god

voc spam voc spam rashad push attack plasma gun i am SO TIRED LET ME PLAY ANYTHING ELSE

and everytime we had any form of build diversity it was immedietly nerfed to the ground like with deadshot or scavenger being nerfed 4 goddamn times

[hollow ibex]

Play infil and exec stance

[tame lodge]

Wrong

Release vet was #1

Playing any other class was griefing

Psykers fucking sucked back then

[undone jungle]

i barely remember release DT even though i was there

oh yeah psyker was so bad

[tame lodge]

Vet could stack more toughness than ogryn

[undone jungle]

i remember vet had a talent where you could stand still and be effectively invis

[quiet valley]

Deadshot just got buffed wdym

[narrow frost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhrV7dDOmqo

[tame lodge]

Psword could outperform any zealot melee

[undone jungle]

it was nerfed like twice before then lol

[narrow frost]

This is how I have fun with vet

[undone jungle]

i'll check it out

i'm just so tired of "havoc 40 ready veteran builds!" and i try them out and they're hot steaming dogshit served on a platter. outside of the few meta builds it feels so limiting

the talent tree has so much point tax and is designed backwards

makes me want to burn down fatsharks offices oh my god it sucks so much ass

[quiet valley]

Vet can put in work in H40, you just need a lot more effort than the other classes atm

[narrow frost]

I ran a havoc 40 with tactical axe and vigilant auto, yes vet is in a bad spot rn but doesnt mean to need to run meta things to win

[undone jungle]

okay probably shouldnt say that sorry fatshark offices

[undone jungle]

i know i've been there

[quiet valley]

Get on the Exec stance grindset

free yourself from VoC

[undone jungle]

i love exec stance it just feels like you lose an ability to be about as good as pskyer is basekit 😭

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e994a26-a751-4091-9425-694771e03a2e/bleedmaxxing

Another fun build for you that isn't meta

[undone jungle]

lacerate

😭

dawg

[grand perch]

so the great lacerate wars begin again

[quiet valley]

Embrace the glass cannon grindset

H40 Exec Helbore

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1335730201362960484/1359905278467899562/image.png?ex=68405efc&is=683f0d7c&hm=309a0442cfa9cd46a1847d1cf856746e05b9c6fffd8f3b4865cb1e3d2bd06ebf&

Casual lacerate W

[grand perch]

my man why arent you recording these so people can learn? or are you?

[hollow ibex]

That 175k bleed damage lol

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-avengers-finally-someone-who-speaks-english-captain-america-tony-stark-gif-17147260

[glacial ferry]

Real gamers play exe stance weapons specialist iag shock maul

[narrow frost]

with braced

[glacial ferry]

Best fun in h40

Braced is pretty good too

[narrow frost]

tried out your taxe build apple, and was really fun

[quiet valley]

IAG ammo pickups tho 💀

[narrow frost]

with the combat shotgun

also, did you finally get free from that coassignment yard curse?

[glacial ferry]

Ye beat that and then had final toll garden

[severe jolt]

using someone else's build is like having someone else screw your women

[tame lodge]

Let's not go that far

[quiet valley]

I mean there's not that many choices, what are you gonna do not use Iron Will or Survivalist b/c its on someone else's build?

[glacial ferry]

I think my build uses damage aura or speed aura

And voc without yellow but everyone forgets that part

[tame lodge]

Rare non gold toughness user

[quiet valley]

Other auras are fine for pathing, I just meant that Spirit's mentality about using builds is nuts

[glacial ferry]

I think it's fine if people let me screw their women

[severe jolt]

And people get mad at that, you can tell who gets cheated on LMAO

[sharp epoch]

no golden toughness for team self fish

[quiet valley]

Missed this till now, but maybe I should record some matches, I have some clips from a few but not full recordings

Takes a lot of space

[quiet valley]

Depends on team comp tbh

[sharp epoch]

you could record then upload and delete

[surreal heron]

I’m only level 13 so still plenty more time to think on it but I can’t decide on which capstone to go with for the bottom of the tree.

[quiet valley]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1kqg6kf/h40_helbore_propaganda/

[sharp epoch]

i prefer ws bc the others are like doing circus tricks to use

[quiet valley]

Some random clips from a bit ago

[surreal heron]

The the free reload off some melee kills seems straightforward enough.

Regen some toughness. I don’t swap weapons terribly often though.

[sharp epoch]

that is ws (weapon specialist)

trust in the higher difficulties you will need to swap weapons frequently

[surreal heron]

Just seems like I might be better off with the generic buffs above it instead. Even if they are potentially less I certainly won’t be using Weapon Specialist to its full potential.

[grand perch]

you missed a shot, go back to psykhanium

[quiet valley]

ngl Helbore's only need about 50% shot accuracy to still put in work haha

[sharp epoch]

marksman focus is weird cause some guns dont even benefit from the finesse like recon lasguns dont, and focus target you gotta ping targets every second ew

[quiet valley]

Please no Focus Target slander in the chat

[tall torrent]

Pinging enemies is a super basic skill

[slow spade]

if pinging is a barrier,it's not the skill that's the problem

[quiet valley]

Focus Target with Target Down fixes Vet's horrendous Stam eco

[sharp epoch]

if you're ads and shooting you're using up like all your fingers on your mouse so you cant really ping comfortably

[surreal heron]

Marksman focus sounds unappealing to me even though I am exactly the kinda player who finds the high ground and plays out crescendos from there sniping shooters and specials.

[sharp epoch]

and if you put it on your left hand keyboard you mess with your mobillity options

[tall torrent]

Bind ping to smth else u can easily press it’s that simple

[surreal heron]

I like to shuffle a lil bit, left and right to help aim that much faster.

[quiet valley]

Try middle mouse or a thumb button on your mouse? Its different for everyone

[surreal heron]

I suppose camouflage means I still can but only when crouched

[sharp epoch]

its default middle mouse but would only work with that middle mouse grip

[tame lodge]

You can move for 3 to 6 seconds

Just hit heads

Lol

[tall torrent]

I use num3 for tagging enemy

[hollow ibex]

I do RMB

Could do LMB

[sharp epoch]

😭

not trying to get votekicked

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/guardians-of-the-galaxy-i-know-that-sounds-bad-that-sounds-bad-star-lord-gif-15280006307251536961

[narrow frost]

"you can turn off ping sound"

no

turn on your brain and think of others

had a havoc 40 pub ping m1

then throw

so I never accept him anymore

[hollow ibex]

Nurgle rotted their brains

[narrow frost]

shrimple as

[hollow ibex]

Mb

[surreal heron]

I wish there was a visual or audio que to indicate that it’s active. I googled some gameplay with it to help make my decision and really it just convinced me not to.

[tall torrent]

There is visual cue to when it’s fully stacked

But yea it’s not great design

[quiet valley]

Markman's Focus in a vacuum is fine, but if you look over the hedge and see Disrupt Destiny on Pskyer...

its a really sad comparison

[tall torrent]

Marksman’s focus in a vacuum is not good enough

[hollow ibex]

And DD just got its biggest buff yet: a working tracker in the buff bar

[tame lodge]

Real

[quiet valley]

Ikr, and then also lets buff Scriers and DD in the same update is crazy

[tame lodge]

I can finally see my perfectionism stacks

It's glorious

[hollow ibex]

And BCOB and Assail

[quiet valley]

Common Vet L

[slow spade]

change MMF from weakspot to pure damage pls UwU

[hollow ibex]

I'm convinced that Fatshart has outsourced game balance to ChatGPT

And not even one of the newer models. Prob 3.5 or some shit

[tame lodge]

Then gpt scoured the internet and found comments about release Psyker being weak af and decided to buff it

[surreal heron]

Also I can’t tell what smoke does, been using it the most as I love the idea of it but enemies seem to shoot into the smoke just fine.

[tropic notch]

Sorry that was me

[narrow frost]

if you want a good smoke video

[tame lodge]

You gotta be inside the smoke for the buff to be in full effect

[narrow frost]

I have a havoc 40 run with 4 vets all with smokes

[tame lodge]

You can see a different icon on your buff bar when inside the smoke

[narrow frost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhrV7dDOmqo

[narrow frost]

probably same code

but with green

[grand perch]

gas bombers just tryna help us

[tame lodge]

And it hurts

Gas doesn't feel reliable against snipers though

Went to revive a teammate inside gas, saw a sniper taking aim

Thought I was safe

Got shot

[quiet valley]

its probably the same code as the smoke to give the buff/debuff, but not the same properties

Gas doesn't affect enemy sight iirc

[grand perch]

btw i uploaded some helbore propaganda too, but it starts with me absolutely beefing easy crusher headshots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEoZID8VpUI

[quiet valley]

Yes! More Helbore propaganda is always welcome

[surreal heron]

Your FOV makes me so dizzy, just seeing you crawl across the bridge though. I understand what I was doing wrong with smoke. I was tossing it into the melee assuming I could then carve into them safely. I should be throwing it at the shooters instead.

[void dragon]

Don't worry, I also wiff headshots when sniping

[narrow frost]

smoke doesnt help with melee

I just throw it there to be ready for any ranged enemies that will spawn

it even helps with like 3/5th of the specials

flamers snipers dogs, and a bit of trappers

[surreal heron]

Also I’ve swapped +25% weapon swap speed on and off and genuinely can’t feel the difference. Is it worth it and I’m crazy or nah?

Well I’m always crazy but still, good skill? It feels like a waste of a point but with weapon specialist being what it is I’m not sure.

[tall torrent]

It’s usually just 0.1-0.2s faster swap

It can use a buff yes

Best case scenario 0.3s

[grand perch]

Really it's just proof we're not aimbotting

[tall torrent]

lol

[surreal heron]

Like I see in that smoke grenade gameplay that he sorta twitchily switches to shotgun and back instantly. Can’t tell if that’s done with weapon swap speed or not.

Is “twitchily” a word?

Ehh hope you get what I mean. You barely even see the guns model before he’s fired it and swapped back to melee

[frail citrus]

honestly, i would say its probably only worth it on weapons that regularly depend on swap speed

the only example i can think of is the plasma gun to bypass that long reload animation

but i dont think i use that skill with my plasma and i do just fine

[surreal heron]

Bypass as in you can skip the reload animation somehow? Or bypass as in you swap off and only use it when weapon specialist loads some ammo into it?

[frail citrus]

You can skip almost the entire plasma gun reload animation

By swapping it

[surreal heron]

Halfway through? Right at the start? How does that work?

When do you swap it during the process

[frail citrus]

ill take a video and show you

[surreal heron]

Thank you o7

[hollow ibex]

It's really only taken because of pathing

[surreal heron]

Out for blood and movement speed seem nice but so does Exhilarating Takedown. Googling it though people claim it’s bugged and I’m not sure if that was ever fixed

[frail citrus]

@surreal heron

this is not a great example cuz im sure you can do it way faster

but pretty much whenver your guy does anything important with the gun you switch it

ie. take out the battery, put it back in, let the little knob turn

[ocean idol]

How melee vet compares to zealot?

[surreal heron]

Oh that is hard to describe I see, you break it up into 3 different steps and swap to skip each one.

[frail citrus]

yeah exactly, but you dont need to press the button to reload again, all you have to do is just quick swap back to the plasma gun

so on PC you just press Q twice, on console just double tap Y/whatever the top button on PS controller is

[frail citrus]

i think zealot has more opportunities to increase their melee damage compared to vet with their skill tree

[hollow ibex]

Weaker but not bad still with the meta options

[frail citrus]

but melee vet / weapon specialist builds are pretty fun

and very viable

[hollow ibex]

And obviously vet has better ranged

So that makes up for not having stupidly powerful FOTF

Well somewhat

[surreal heron]

Anecdotal but Zealot has been the class I’ve seen the least played by others so far. I wish I knew how their healing pulse thingy worked.

Do you have to stand still during it?

[frail citrus]

no, but you cant sprint so if whoever is using it pops their ult and then decides to run then they've just cancelled the whole thing

[ocean idol]

They hav e no healing

no one has any healing

[frail citrus]

from what i understand it gives gold toughness to everyone while also pushing surrounding enemies, if you have Holy Cause your team gets damage reduction, if you use Ecclesiarchs Call your team gets increased damage

its like a better VoC that takes longer to recharge

[hollow ibex]

Tbf zealot does have self heal abilities

[frail citrus]

its good for keeping teammates alive in fire too

[surreal heron]

duly noted

[frail citrus]

i use it whenever the team needs any kind of breathing room or if someone needs help getting up

like if someone goes down, ill run over to them, pop my ult and then spam ping the guy whos down so my team hopefully realizes its time to be heroes

[last marten]

😭

[surreal heron]

I find the melee crit charge nifty on what little of zealot I’ve played, only level 8. But wanted to be gun focused so doubt I’ll keep it.

[slow spade]

That was fixed

it works properly now

[surreal heron]

[slow spade]

sadly Longshot is now shit though

[frail citrus]

yeah that melee crit charge is essential, its like vets cdr on elite kill skill

[slow spade]

so getting Exhil takedown still sucks lol

[frail citrus]

with that skil lyou can get stealth up pretty much whenver

anyway

enough zealot talk

[surreal heron]

Shit as in far away means so much farther than you might initially think? Or as in 20% dmg is additive or something and doesn’t amount to as much as it should?

[slow spade]

iirc +0.6% damage at 13m -> 20% damage at 30m

for context, Coherency is 8m

[surreal heron]

Yikes

[frail citrus]

unless you have charismatic

if my math is working ithink it brings up to 12m

[slow spade]

that's just for reference

so they can have an idea of how much range you need to make Longshot good

[surreal heron]

I’m American so don’t know nothing about meter measurement. Appreciate the point of reference

[slow spade]

yippie :D

[frail citrus]

i dont really understand the meter stuff either, its hard to gauge

i used to be good at it when i played RS2 but i forgor

[surreal heron]

RS2?

[frail citrus]

Rising Storm 2

Vietnam milsim game that died a while ago

[tame lodge]

Rashad Vet >>>> Rashad Zealot

[surreal heron]

My brother probably woulda loved it. He is married to the Battlefield series. It’s all he plays.

[frail citrus]

i only really enjoy the rashad with weapon spec

the melee swing speed buff makes it feel a lot better

im probably just spoiled tho

[ocean idol]

How so?

martyr does thing s

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/C4OMkLpvoGM

[surreal heron]

[tall torrent]

better elite kill time

[frail citrus]

did they update scoreboard mod WTF is all of that BS on your screen LMAO

[tall torrent]

scoreboard plugins

[tame lodge]

On the left?
That's base game

Added recently

[frail citrus]

no no i mean like everrything on the scoreboard

i got rid of a lot of my scoreboard numbers but i didnt remember it being THAT detailed lol

[tame lodge]

I see I see

[frail citrus]

However

I do think all the BS on the left was unnecessary outside of Mortis Trials

not really sure why they added it

i like that they put the plasteel diamantine at the top of the screen now tho

[ocean idol]

FFS i got disconnected

but b efore that that was my score

[ocean idol]

Lol it is not even that deatiled

i tuirned off more tyhan half options

[frail citrus]

me too

[frail citrus]

its too much for me

i only have total damage, enemies killed, medicae used, coherency score and damage taken i think

[ocean idol]

then what you even use it for

it is useful to determine usefulness of some things

bleed, flames

[frail citrus]

total damage is the only thing im really looking for because its the only thing i really care about

everything else i can kind of just assume

[ocean idol]

So you just want to touch yourself at sight of bigger numbers?

Respectable

[frail citrus]

yeah pretty much

even the overkill stat i turned that off

its not like im checking i until the end of the match

[sonic kayak]

Why wait to see the numbers to touch yourself?

[frail citrus]

the other stuff like medicae and coherency i have on only to catch people in LIES

[frail citrus]

i goon during missions too dont worry

[ocean idol]

Edging gives more pleasure in the end

[sonic kayak]

Oh okay, had me concerned or a minute there, carry on

[ocean idol]

So what ranged good to combine with rashad?

Also weapon spec build/

[frail citrus]

i use it with recon lasgun wep spec

[tall torrent]

any that doesn't need excessive ranged spec

[frail citrus]

but i think anything can be good

[ocean idol]

Doe snot recon need some ranged spec...

I usually use double shotgun or bistol with weapon spec and agile

[frail citrus]

yeah i think so

i think its fun tho

[tall torrent]

it works at a baseline level with ~2 dedicated point spec
obv if u want to make it perform better u need more

[ocean idol]

which ones?

[tall torrent]

VIc / XIV

XII without dedicated spec not rly worth playing tbh

[ocean idol]

Which point specs

[tall torrent]

just grab shock trooper lol

[ocean idol]

Nah, vet with rashad not even close to zealot with rashad

Zealot has about twice higher damage

[ocean idol]

Eh, not that important

ammo is plentiful

Can i move scoreboard a bit?

it closes info i would like to see

[tall torrent]

nah
zealot has to spec martyr to get anywhere near veteran rashad dmg, but has way worse CDR

it's easier to farm dmg on zealot in general but it's not "more dmg"

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs4-snake-bait-old-snake-mgs-bait-bait-used-to-be-believable-gif-16665329923744849402

[frail citrus]

i think you put any melee in the hands of charge/stealth zealot it will out perform most other classes

[tame lodge]

As Rashad Vet one shots multiple crushers in a row

The video is somewhere in this channel

Is it sneaky cat's video?

Oh no
Most of them were medal

You probably won't be able to play them

[frail citrus]

hate and love medal all at the same time

ive done it before though

plus regardless if you 1 shot or not, it also stuns on heavy attack

[distant plaza]

can i get some feedback on a scrub build i'm using?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f11c169-2888-4909-910d-9d657ba00af6/shvocftonslaught

[distant plaza]

i'd have figured the focus target choices would be the object of ire, not onslaught

[tame lodge]

FT is fine

[heavy pewter]

hi guys im new i just downloaded the game yesterday

[tame lodge]

Onslaught is just very optional

[heavy pewter]

and im wondering if i should be veteran or zealot

any ideas ?

[tame lodge]

Although you're kinda missing on Reciprocity

[sharp epoch]

have you played any tide games?

[tame lodge]

And that Columnus is the bad weapons

You want Vraks5

For maximum brrrrr

[heavy pewter]

no not at all

[sharp epoch]

start zealot so you learn melee fundamentals at least

[heavy pewter]

i played a few games as veteran last night and it felt like im running out of ammo quickly

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah

Shooting all the time is not fully recommended

[orchid hemlock]

Well first off I think Chain Axe is kinda dookie if you don't take WS with it

[heavy pewter]

thank you very much , im getting destroyed by a berserker who dual wield axes how do i deal with him ?

[orchid hemlock]

Punch him 🤜

[distant plaza]

i decided against a crit build, opting instead for something i can use with any automatic ranged weapon

[tame lodge]

Easy answer
Shoot him

[heavy pewter]

yeah i saw couple of guides about that and they all recommended that i dont fire often

[sharp epoch]

so that guy you wanna try and stagger him or outrange him either one

[heavy pewter]

but sometimes the mobs are just too far away

[heavy pewter]

yeah i meant like is there a way to counter him if am using a melee weapon ? like a parry or something

[sharp epoch]

depends on the weapon you have though

[orchid hemlock]

You have a crit weapon, what do you mean against crit build?

[heavy pewter]

axe most of the time

[sharp epoch]

uhh only one weapon has a parry, which one shots those guys but its not that good outside that

[tame lodge]

Combat Axe?

[sharp epoch]

tactical or combat axr

[tame lodge]

Push attack then light attack

[heavy pewter]

yes sir

[distant plaza]

i'd have gone for reciprocity and the +5% crit node if i were

[sharp epoch]

yeah youd want to do a push attack on them which staggers them

[tame lodge]

Combat Axe push attack should stagger them out of their combos

[orchid hemlock]

No but like, you are contradicting what you want

You say you are going against crit, but then you put on a weapon that wants crits

[heavy pewter]

i assume the one with parry is the sword since i already had one in bag and felt like the parry can be useful but does it have cleave ?

[hollow ibex]

onslaught on CIAG is bad

[sharp epoch]

parry has some cleave on it

[hollow ibex]

At least use it on VIAG

[sharp epoch]

its the devil claw sword with the parry

[distant plaza]

i do? 👀

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah you have an auto gun

[heavy pewter]

thank you very much for ur answers everyone im pretty sure my questions are dumb but it can get really confusing for new players

[sharp epoch]

yeah like I said play zealot first if your new to tide games

[orchid hemlock]

Autoguns have nasty finesse modifiers

[sharp epoch]

it teaches you the melee system cause your forced to use it pr much

[hollow ibex]

Game has a steep learning curve and just explains you should use WASD to move

[distant plaza]

i see

[hollow ibex]

Use melee system or light spam and press F every ten seconds

[heavy pewter]

will do thank you very much

[sharp epoch]

better than ammo dumping horde

[heavy pewter]

idd haha

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[heavy pewter]

yeah felt like killing low tier mobs with guns are pointless

last question

[umbral scaffold]

I mean it’s situational

[tall torrent]

For a complete beginner, zealot is easier

[orchid hemlock]

If you must use Chain Axe then I would do:

[glad temple]

Is there a way to make a infantry lasgun+chainsword viable?

I want to be in the guard

[heavy pewter]

does the hp / damage increase by the difficulty or is it just more enemies

[umbral scaffold]

Boltgun can be used to horde clear in narrow hallways but that’s last resort

[umbral scaffold]

Both

[tall torrent]

Higher difficulty increases enemy health, enemy damage, spawn intensity and allowance

[orchid hemlock]

My question to you is

What are you going to do when a crusher walks up?

[glad temple]

I died 3 times in a row on my first zealot mission

[glad temple]

Call him a bitch

[tall torrent]

Pretty lore accurate

[umbral scaffold]

dodge or die

[heavy pewter]

ty vm

[heavy pewter]

ty vm

[sharp epoch]

yup both, also in the super hard mode it decreases your hp/toughness too

[orchid hemlock]

Crusher about to do an overhead POV:

[heavy pewter]

ty vm for the details

[umbral scaffold]

Havoc but he won’t have to worry about that for awhile

[tall torrent]

Havoc is technically not its own difficulty, just a bunch of modifiers attached on top of existing malice/heresy/damnation

[heavy pewter]

i assume quick game is the best for lvling up

[tall torrent]

Quick play has XP and resource bonus

[distant plaza]

i'm not hooked on the chain axe
tbh i'm wielding a chainsword atm (chainaxe with the right stats is still <400)

[umbral scaffold]

old vet gold toughness used to be something special

Found this oldie

[slow spade]

lol I remember I got it up to +400 with yellow stims before

fun times

[hollow ibex]

VOC giving 100 gold toughness was stupid

[slow spade]

+100 VoC was wild

[glad temple]

What's that autogun camo

[tall torrent]

Yes
U just accept that your melee sucks vs anything more than pure horde

[orchid hemlock]

Does it have to be a CS?

[umbral scaffold]

I can check after my game

[glad temple]

The chainsword should really be armor piercing

[heavy pewter]

thanks ❤️

[glad temple]

Blood for the Emperor

Skulls for the Golden Throne

[distant plaza]

no, i'm not playing at a level that makes all that much difference in melee weapon choices
chainsword goes brrr

[tall torrent]

It surely can use 5-7 buffs

[glad temple]

What are these

[orchid hemlock]

Then I'm confused what are you building around then? We were looking at the build you made in gameslantern

[glad temple]

I use DS but it's not good with hordes I think

[tall torrent]

Buff stagger
Buff single target dps outside of activated attack
Buff activated attack
Etc

[tall torrent]

Worst in the game vs horde bar none

[distant plaza]

a team supporting focus target build with onslaught applied via automatic weaponry
i'm not super deep into mechanics/meta just yet >.>

[glad temple]

I use it cause someone said it's the best, idk what else to use

[tame lodge]

Dueling Sword mk2

[slow spade]

Power Dueling Sword when?

[glad temple]

Fuck it I'm going power sword I guess

[slow spade]

Psword sucks until you get Power Cycler

so I highly suggest you feed weapons and stuff to level it

[orchid hemlock]

I don't know what you mean by "support"

But usually the trees are built around the weapons

[slow spade]

clearly they meant support via killing

[glad temple]

I got it levelled a bit

[slow spade]

should be fine on the lower difficulties but stuff like Damnation would really like the Power Cycler 4

[glad temple]

Lvl 15 mastery actually

[glad temple]

So power cycler and what else?

I got power cycler 4 now

[slow spade]

oh Power Cycler 4 + Brutal Momentum 4

[umbral scaffold]

The fact chainaxe can stagger crushers out of the overhead and mk 15 evis can’t is so goofy

[slow spade]

For Perks I go Elite + Maniac (allows 1 hit kills on mutants with headshot + heaby attack)

[umbral scaffold]

On top of its 4 target cleave cap

[glad temple]

What does it mean that it ignores enemy mass

[slow spade]

wait it can? that's pretty interesting

[tall torrent]

I hope you like power sword VI 24/7 till FatShark reworks veteran

[distant plaza]

i mean, focus target with target down to replenish toughness to allies in coherency
onslaught to debuff monstrosities and help with bigger hp enemies like crushers
so it seems i'm going about this the wrong way

[slow spade]

without getting into the details, essentially you can cleave more enemies if you hit their head

[tall torrent]

Onslaught “debuff monster” is a myth at best

[glad temple]

Thank you

[tall torrent]

People don’t understand brittleness

[slow spade]

essentially it means your cleave damage doesn't decrease for roughly 4 enemies meaning you do full damage on headshots even when cleaving through enemies up to 4 enemies BUT it needs to be a lethal hit

for practical purposes, just swing at the head, if you don't kill them in 1 hit increase your melee damage or just be ok with swinging again

[glad temple]

Armor gets weaker?

[sharp cave]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-up-funny-meme-guy-gif-22610169

[hollow ibex]

It really only matters against crushers though

40 percent brittleness that is

[nimble wadi]

@tidal reef yim yum

[tidal reef]

this isnt zealot chat

also

is that a giant nuggie?

is that mayo?

wait hold on

[nimble wadi]

Oh I thought it was

[last marten]

divorced bachelor ahh slop 😭

[tidal reef]

are you eating nuggie and mayo ketchup and boiled brocoli?

[nimble wadi]

I’m not divorced and it’s not slop

[nimble wadi]

It’s chicken cutlet and broccoli with ketchup mayo

Broccoli goes well with mayo

[candid agate]

one is true
the other is false

[tidal reef]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-confused-monkey-confused-shocked-gif-17129578545769070521

[nimble wadi]

Why would I be divorced

[thorny cobalt]

@nimble wadi it's slop

[sonic kayak]

[thorny cobalt]

It is not yim yum

[nimble wadi]

Melee psyker isn’t real

[thorny cobalt]

Stop coping and inhale your calories

[nimble wadi]

If you’ve never tried broccoli with mayo it’s good

[thorny cobalt]

The immediate adhom when I tell you your slop is slop kek

[tidal reef]

fun fact about stan
he only drink soda

this man never had water

[nimble wadi]

Cry

[thorny cobalt]

Crying

Mix the fucking ketchup and mayo you degenerate

[nimble wadi]

It’s soda water

[sonic kayak]

Emperor save this man

[candid agate]

still not water

[sonic kayak]

While he can still be saved

[candid agate]

a cruel mixture of liquids

[nimble wadi]

It literally is water

[nimble wadi]

I don’t need saving

[sonic kayak]

Incorrect

[nimble wadi]

Soda water is so much better than regular water

[tidal reef]

@merry gale

[candid agate]

you sound like that one streamer who drinks gfuel cause he hates water, and is always tired

[nimble wadi]

Yim yum

[tidal reef]

the nurgle champion?
asmond gold?

[candid agate]

not him

someone else on tiktok, who acts like streaming is harder than a 9-5

[tall torrent]

It’s a bit more complex than that

[last marten]

asmond doesnt even play games and hes the most watched streamer 😠

[nimble wadi]

There’s plenty left wanna come over

[candid agate]

isnt critical role the most watched thing on twitch

[tidal reef]

no you are thinking of that nepo baby streamer

[candid agate]

or is that old statistics

[nimble wadi]

Why is creamy in quotes

It’s actually creamy

[candid agate]

why would they call it goo to advertise it

[nimble wadi]

Dough made this

He’s jealous of my protein mashed potatoes

[merry gale]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-zealot-pain-gif-25557240

[tidal reef]

hassan piker

[nimble wadi]

LAMBDA HIIII KOMM ISS MAL WAS

[tidal reef]

i am thinking of hassan piker

[merry gale]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[nimble wadi]

I have plenty

[nimble wadi]

What does this mean

[glad temple]

Power cycler is supposed to give me more charged attacks right?

[slow spade]

yes

[glad temple]

Erm

My sword still had one charged attack

So I need to check smth

Nope

I chose the wrong blessing

Dogshit translation

[slow spade]

that'll do it :p

classic Fatshark

[glad temple]

So ye my power cycler is level 3

Not 4

Also I unlocked Havoc

[orchid hemlock]

Target Fown, even with born leader, is abysmal toughness Regen

Unless you are also taking a weapon that has a toughness Regen blessing, you usually take it for the stamina Regen

Brittle's problem is how it is applied, it takes too long to apply the debuff on the target with the gun you chose. And it costs 4 talent nodes. And you it probably will be dead by the time you stack to 40 💀

[glad temple]

But I'm too young for that shit

Lmao

[slow spade]

I mean you can just do low Havocs

like do a Havoc 20 match or something so you get some rewards at the end

[severe jolt]

right
being divorced means you once got a girl to marry you
and this is a 40k server...

[uncut pebble]

Chat kill this guy.

[glad temple]

So
It's just missions with some modifiers?

[slow spade]

basically, you also get some annoying debuffs like less ammo and less stats such as hp

Low Havocs aren't that bad because they're not even on Damnation

so you can ease into it or just do 1 for the weekly reward

[glad temple]

Wait so there's also heresy difficulty ones?

Nice

[umbral scaffold]

The camp is called dolumar basalt

[gilded topaz]

I've got a question for all the vet players I've got all the other classes maxed out and I'm struggling to enjoy the veteran there currently level 22 and they just feel bad like I can do more and better with every other class I've tried different builds well as well as I can different weapons gun focus and melee focus how do you guys play as them

[slow spade]

iirc the lowest it gets is Malice but idk when the difficulty switches

[severe jolt]

The low havocs are basically malice but with a few more enemies

[umbral scaffold]

You really won’t notice a difference in difficulty shift in havocs till like mid 20’s lol

Unless you get shit modifiers

[sonic kayak]

The fun part about Veteran is you have to do both

You're not only ranged and everyone else is melee, you're expected, and you have to clear hordes same as everyone else

[glad temple]

You're a dude
That's vet for you

[sonic kayak]

Pick a gun and a melee, pick your tree, watch your footwork, go to town

[glad temple]

Yeah
Put the boot in like everyone else

[orchid hemlock]

All vet builds are hybrid

Change my mind 😈

You want to play a range class play Psyker

[slow spade]

range class is Ogryn with Rumbler UwU

you will never not hear an explosion

[worthy depot]

Hey guys, new to the game, tried ogryn and vet, like vet so far. Is there a general FAQ about what is going on in the game? Or like best starter guns or some stuff?

[orchid hemlock]

Wrong, Ogryn is fun to play

😈

[sonic kayak]

The gist of it is: The game ebbs and flows, kind of like a tide, watch your footwork, never show your back, prioritize the specialists and anything that ruins your day in half a second

Everything else is pretty much to each their own

Coherency Toughness regen is not really important as much as talents/auras that proc in Coherency

[orchid hemlock]

Wait.....what kind of tide?

🤔

[worthy depot]

coherency is close range aura? I'm so confused, is there a TLDR guide on base mechanics?

[orchid hemlock]

Pins

[sonic kayak]

Coherency is a sort of radius that extends to your team. Any 2 members within a certain distance of each other enter Coherency, which is passive Toughness regen, which also scales based on teammates in Coherency. On paper this is fine, but the problem with this is that it's a Toughness regeneration that is disabled in combat; The only way to earn back Toughness is through killing/doing anything that your selected talents will regen Toughness from, I.E. killing Specialists/Elites for X amount, yadda yadda

[sonic kayak]

A horrible and nasty tide. An evil tide. A....

dark tide

[worthy depot]

is the first ever pin from 2022 with gun meta still accurate?

[orchid hemlock]

The post is old but not the guide

@tall torrent finish your edits already

💀

[hollow ibex]

Use the top pin lol. Why would you look at the oldest

[glad temple]

Also what is a Havoc assignment?

[tall torrent]

You wanna help?

[hollow ibex]

Look at the newest pin

[glad temple]

Is it 1 mission?

[severe jolt]

Veteran has ridiculously good ranged talents. A lasgun vet even halfway spec'd for it gets free ammo on crits, 112,5% finesse damage bonus, extra 30% weakspot damage, 15% extra against elites, 20% extra against ogryns&monsters, and 10% on ability use. If you keep clicking on heads, that's the only thing you really need to do as vet.

[orchid hemlock]

No he's right, the pinned comment is from 2022

[glad temple]

What are the rewards for it

[hollow ibex]

Hammer is from last year

[glad temple]

Sry I just noticed there is a channel called #gameplay-help

[worthy depot]

oh I should probably go there, my bad, sorry!

[sonic kayak]

Your Havoc assignment is your current Havoc mission. Every mission you complete, you'll level up your Havoc Clearance Level, to a maximum of 40.

[hollow ibex]

Class chat is fine for class specific questions

[glad temple]

Np I've been asking gameplay questions all over the place and no one seemed irritated

[tame lodge]

Until level 30 try all the weapons
Get your melee game up and zero your aim

Then get as much Ordo Dockets as you can

Throw it all at plasma gun

[glad temple]

Get a melee that does good against hordes

[glad temple]

No
Bolter

Plasma is too slow

I need bullets NOW

Altho at higher levels ammo is an issue

[sonic kayak]

wha

[glad temple]

Also isn't plasma reload even worse than bolter

Idk I used it once and sold it

[sonic kayak]

You can shave off like half of the time from animation canceling

[tame lodge]

[sonic kayak]

Also, a "proper" Plasma Gun has 8 shots of immense cleave, and can 1-2 shot anything not a boss

wdym it's slower

[tame lodge]

Not enough usages for comparison

[sonic kayak]

Not to mention although only "2" magazines, you have a bunch of shots per magazine

I mean I use both, but the Bolter is like a DMR whereas the Plasma Gun is your portable bunker buster

[edgy dew]

Is there some trick to the fire shotgun? I've tried it a bunch of times but it feels like the worst of the three. Slug shotgun is a sniper, lawbringer is AOE crowd control, fire shotgun sets things on fire, but like instead of normal damage, not in addition to it, leading to it killing things slower it feels like?

[tame lodge]

It is the worst

[hollow ibex]

The combat shotguns have not aged well at all

[tame lodge]

But you can 2 fire shots bulwarks to death

On their shield

💀

[edgy dew]

I like the other two, they're niche but I get their purpose. The fire one just makes no sense to me

[tame lodge]

It used to be op

Then Fatshark nerfed it

[hollow ibex]

If you want to use a shotgun now, double barrel is the way to go

[tame lodge]

So now it's just nerfed

[hollow ibex]

Fatshart nerfing things?

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[tame lodge]

Yeah they've done that

A lot

[hollow ibex]

A forgotten art for them

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

[hasty grove]

What are some good nodes to take with voice of command? Or what is a good build for it

(Yes IK VoC is really good)

I mostly use the bistol & chainsword as my weapons for fighting in close range

[edgy dew]

I miss the two weeks VoC was 100hp with 66% uptime, I felt good at the game for a minute

[hollow ibex]

Duty and Honor is mandatory

Rest is just whatever you need

[iron marten]

They nerfed the bayonet of helbores like twice

[hollow ibex]

Oh and demo stockpile since you're on the way over there

[hasty grove]

I just use VoC cus I really like the voicelines & it’s the most fitting ability for my reject being that shes a Commissar

[hollow ibex]

Yeah they nerfed like three things in the past few patches and prob did hundreds of buffs lol

[hasty grove]

Why would they do that tho?

[iron marten]

Bayonet nerf is understandable though

[hasty grove]

The bayonets were a fun but mostly inefficient gimmick as they were

[hollow ibex]

Because they outsourced game balance to ChatGPT

[iron marten]

Though I do miss it

[hasty grove]

Imo they were fine

[hollow ibex]

The first one was

[iron marten]

Bayonets use to inherit melee weapon blessings

[hollow ibex]

The rest was just stupid

Hell the mk IV never had a good bayonet

[iron marten]

Slap limbsplitter and brutal momentum on your melee and you have arguably the best melee weapon in the game back then

Yeah, only the mkv and mk3a bayo

[hasty grove]

I just liked being able to bayonet charge w my friends

[hollow ibex]

Now helbore mk IV bayonet makes dclaw mk1 look like a meta weapon

[hollow ibex]

Can't do that with a IV

[hasty grove]

I learned that the hard way

[iron marten]

mk4 probably my favourite helbore though

Although mkv is the most pragmatic choice

And yeah, 2nd bayo nerf was wtf

[sonic kayak]

Obviously the bayonets are a massive, glaring issue that directly inhibits the enjoyment of the game for all party members involved

[tall torrent]

learn to fight everything in melee with minimal dmg taken

[hasty grove]

This

Veteran is surprisingly squishy

So you gotta be able to stand on business in melee or ur gonna die… alot

[tall torrent]

only in high havoc and CIVI maelstrom usually

[hasty grove]

Also depending on ur build

The bistol is particularly ammo hungry in my experience

[glad temple]

Ye
Pox walkers suddenly get me sometimes

[hasty grove]

Ragers are my worst nightmare

Esp the random bullshit packs of like 6 ragers randomly jumping me

[tall torrent]

@orchid hemlock offer still stands btw I don't mind getting help to finish it faster

[glad temple]

I use it with eeapons specialist so I generally use my sword

Basically I play it like Space Marine 2

[iron marten]

Ragers aren't too bad. Ragers in Bulwarks however.....

[hasty grove]

I like to run and gun w the bistol

[glad temple]

I throw frag under my feet to stagger them a bit

[tall torrent]

nah u get 108 ammo that 1 taps important enemies outside of havoc/mortis

it's plenty

[hasty grove]

Not if you like to run and gun w it

[tall torrent]

if ur boltpistol doesn't have 108 ammo then ur build is missing 1 tap breakpoints, then might as well run revolver

[glad temple]

I need to play mortis again

I love the methhead perks they give us

[hasty grove]

I activate VoC and than run behind my Ogryn while they’re getting back up

[sonic kayak]

I yell at them and kill them by bursting their eardrums

[tall torrent]

boltpistol should rly not be running into ammo issues outside of havoc / CIVI maelstrom

u don't even need survivalist for it

smth like this, if u don't play frag build for it

[glad temple]

One thing I love about playing ogryn is uninterrupted revives

[sand oracle]

Is there any particular reason you're taking demo team and stockpile for kraks in this? Or is it just because you have nothing better to spend it on.

[glad temple]

Grenade is life

I love them

[tall torrent]

u can trade demo team for going frag over krak

[sand oracle]

because IMO kraks are never going to give you enough use from having that many. If you're going that route I'd personally take the bleed next to agile engagement because it does a LOT of extra damage to the few things you're not one shotting

[hasty grove]

I mostly run into ammo issues cus me and my friends I play with all run veteran

[tall torrent]

serrated blade is ass unfortunately

it has like 2 use cases and both aren't great

[sand oracle]

I've been able to do some insane things with it it tbh. It works very well with uncanny

[tame lodge]

10 damage

[severe jolt]

sah that sounds about right
ogryn will defend you

[tall torrent]

2 stacks of bleed is ~10 dmg

[sand oracle]

With fast weapons you get to 16 stacks in like 3 seconds, your point?

The damage stacking is not linear.

[tall torrent]

with fast weapons u kill whatever u need to kill under 3s

besides boss

which bleed doesn't contribute as much as more crit most of the time

[sand oracle]

Not bosses or ogryn. It also cuts breakingpoints down on certain combos that I find very good for when you need to go on the defensive.

[sonic kayak]

Bleed Shovel

[tall torrent]

might as well spec 5% cri chance

[tall torrent]

which melee are u talking about

knife?

[sand oracle]

I mean I do. Recently I've been running full stealth vet into havoc 40 so I've got max crit and movespeed.

Dueling sword, knife, shock maul, and psword.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-shake-head-no-disagree-gif-17744233

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/1243454115519004722/CB6_3402dps.mp4?ex=684093a3&is=683f4223&hm=a1c40cf9c1cf7bd47f48872e8b126299c4338afcbb4beab1b4b02bf103506ff7&

not sure why u need serrated blade for crushers

[sand oracle]

It's about when you don't get optimal setups, and you need to take something out while running away from it

[tall torrent]

if u pair serrated with like, flesh tearer, I can kind of get it

[sand oracle]

IDK what to tell ya other than fair enough 'cause I've carried havoc 40 games with my setup; it works for me.

[tall torrent]

but on its own without additional bleed, it's ass

[sand oracle]

I use it so I -don't- have to use flesh tearer. I use it with mercy killer

But that's knife specifically

[tall torrent]

yea mercy killer is the 1 decent use case

[sand oracle]

I feel the extra bleed is redundant because the difference between 4 bleed per attack, 6 bleed per attack, and 2 bleed per attack + 60% additive headshot damage is nice

[tall torrent]

unfortunately it's not good enough to warrant taking serrated blade most of the time

[sand oracle]

I know what the meta is, I just don't run it because it's boring.

[severe jolt]

is it FUN to use? that's how I rate things

[sand oracle]

My very first havoc 40 I got true survivor and was like 'damn okay'

[narrow frost]

same

[tall torrent]

most "fun" way to run knife is executor imo

[sand oracle]

(though I didn't get it on 35-39 so idk)

[sand oracle]

I miss when executor worked on ogryn tbh

Might as well add it back in this current meta tbh

[tall torrent]

ur mistaking it for smth else

[narrow frost]

haymaker?

[tame lodge]

Rare mention of executor

Oh my

[sand oracle]

Am I thinking of haymaker?

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[sand oracle]

One second I'ma look this up I mastered all the weapons in the game and never bothered remembering anything

[tame lodge]

Real

Haymaker instakilling ritual totens

[sand oracle]

Ah... Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh executor seems kinda lame unless you're building a stagger knife for some reason

[tame lodge]

[sand oracle]

... It can't do that, can it...?

[tall torrent]

nah it's not for stagger

[tame lodge]

It can 💀

[iron marten]

Only ones you need to remember are ds4 and uncanny to speak ill of them

[tall torrent]

it doesn't change knife's stagger breakpoints

[sand oracle]

Then why? 30% strength seems kind of mid

[tame lodge]

It even bypass Chaos Spawn spawning to defend it

[tall torrent]

u might be the first person ever to say "30%str is mid"

[sand oracle]

Unless it's for the same reason people run something like headtaker

[tall torrent]

are u aware of how weakspot dmg is calculated in this game

just curious

[sand oracle]

I have some ideas, because it's pretty nutty - but not the actual formula.

[sand oracle]

Ahhhh so you're using strength to push all the numbers up specifically

[tame lodge]

Ain't sugarcoating it

[tall torrent]

so, example

if ur atk does 50 dmg at base, 100 on weakspot
if u have +30% weakspot dmg, u now do 50 + (100-50)x1.3 = 115 dmg total on weakspot

but if u have +30%str, u now do 100x1.3 = 130 on weakspot

in knife's case, it has very high finesse scaling, so building finesse on it is better than building finesse for most other weapons

[sand oracle]

I mean finesse weapons are meta RN, so I know like - the basics of how all that works.

I just didn't know the exact equation.

[tall torrent]

with that said

there's 1 missing aspect to this all

because the whole picture is not shown here

with how different dmg bonuses stack up (usually multiplicatively with each other in brackets)

it's almost always better to multi invest into as many brackets as possible

and u are taking precision strikes 95%+ of the time anyway

which is the same bracket as mercy killer

[sand oracle]

Does mercy killer not work with precision?

[tall torrent]

they do, they're additive with each other in the finesse bracket

[sand oracle]

I'll experiment with that. Never thought to play with that... Might be a psycho, drop precision strikes entirely - and go down to bring it down.

[tall torrent]

so, for example

[tall torrent]

this

[sand oracle]

At least with my knife because I've built that specific build around soloing havoc 40 when my team sucks

[tall torrent]

let's say u add mercy killer's 60%Wdmg to it

[sand oracle]

But I usually run dueling sword because I'm a Vostroyan Firstborn fanboy and I'll probably be using it long after they bury it with nerfs.

[tall torrent]

now it does 50 + (100-50)x1.9 = 145

but if u have +30%str

u do [50 + (100-50)x1.3]x1.3 = 149.5

[sand oracle]

Unless they give us a new sabre

[tall torrent]

slightly higher

[tall torrent]

knife's case is slightly more extreme

executor is not good in havoc

because u will never cleave with it enough to matter vs havoc's density in mass

[sand oracle]

There's still the case of having to play defensively, though - where you can't stack multiple instances of damage on whatever you're hitting.

[tall torrent]

it's just fun ish for base game

[sand oracle]

Also, stealth vet doesn't really have cleave problems with ST weapons on account of the buffs on the right side of the tree that let you eek out respectable kill times on - pretty much everything

[tall torrent]

stealth vet point tax is absurd

pay 2 points to not play VoC

great design

[sand oracle]

I don't bother with the point tax and just fully commit to smokes with no grenade regen like a psycho, no survivalist - no voc - etc etc etc.

I'm basically a weird ass zealot with better clutch potential at the cost of worse damage

[tall torrent]

no grenade regen is almost equal to trolling

[tame lodge]

Bold move

Crazy

[sand oracle]

For havoc I've been running the shredder autopistol because the built in sprint tech works very well for avoiding gunners and shooters, in addition to inspiring barrage. Enough movement speed to close gap with any disablers and put them down with unlimited stamina to avoid them if necessary

[tame lodge]

But bold

[sand oracle]

It is kind of insane on my part, but it works -weirdly- well.

I just can't be the only vet because survivalist is too important unless we're running a psyker. A branx or bully club melee ogryn also helps quite a bit.

[pseudo fiber]

simply put demo stockpile above the grenades

[sand oracle]

It's not really meant to replace the vet utility slot, though it can depending on the comp. I've got the meta VoH build on standby for when I need it

[severe jolt]

wtf is this math
kill all swedishers

[nimble wadi]

recon las did pretty good in maelstrom. It feels so wrong using a gun for horde clear tho haha

[narrow frost]

oh no stan

we have you kill you now...

I'm sorry

[nimble wadi]

Why

[sonic kayak]

[narrow frost]

recon horde?

smh

[sand oracle]

Even so - autopistol gives me GREAT stagger and utility and kind negates my need for smokes because anything it doesn't hit it suppresses- and anything it does hit it staggers in like 3 shots.

[nimble wadi]

It's a legit build

[sand oracle]

So if I sprint straight into a trapper, pull my gun - hit it like twice I swap back to melee kill it - back into the fight

[narrow frost]

to mimic the fraction of the power of the Tknives

[sand oracle]

True lmao

But I prefer vet's drip and voicelines anyway small price to pay.

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-gif-5430850758035663288

[nimble wadi]

Why do you hate recon lazgun

Lasgun

[sand oracle]

Vet rework when

[narrow frost]

shooting horde with guns besides to proc WS is a crime

[tall torrent]

2026~2027 at earliest

[narrow frost]

shrimple as

[tall torrent]

if it even happens

[narrow frost]

Path, how did you get the weapon icons for the steam guide

gameslantern?

[sand oracle]

I'm sure it will.... People act like Fatshark is this evil company - they just have a system that makes them blunder a bit... But they're dedicated... They're still updating VT2 after all.

[severe jolt]

I shoot horde to proc marksman focus

[sand oracle]

Loses the stacks in a matter of miliseconds

[severe jolt]

movement penalty is lost if you keep clicking on heads

you'd know that bloody buddy if you ran the thing

[tall torrent]

There should only be 2 real tiers
The ones that work with crit build, and the ones that don’t

[narrow frost]

It's going to be very general

Probably only 3 tiers

Broken, great, decent

[hollow ibex]

4 tiers

you'll need a tier for dclaw mk1

[hasty grove]

How do my weapons look?

[nimble wadi]

it’s the whole point of the recon build

And then you got pokey stick aka dueling sword for everything else

[tall torrent]

Could be a lot better

[severe jolt]

these would work great on zealot

[hasty grove]

Im a veteran

[uncut pebble]

Have to agree with Path, could be better.

Ngl looking at that chainsword is painful.

[hasty grove]

How can I make it better

[uncut pebble]

By not speccing into your rev attacks.

[tall torrent]

Unarmored
Maniac
Puncture
Lethal proximity / run&gun / point blank

For boltpistol

And probably drop the chainsword?

[hasty grove]

I did in the perks

No

[hollow ibex]

"how should i build my chain weapons?"
"by not building them as chain weapons"

the absolute state of chain weapons

[uncut pebble]

If you really want to use chainsword, do flak maniac shred wrath/savage sweep, depending on model.

Mk4 wants ss, mk13 wants wrath.

[orchid hemlock]

I gotu

[hasty grove]

I wanna improve my chainsword but I will NOT swap off of it

I love it

[tall torrent]

Are u on steam

[hasty grove]

And the feeling of sawing straight through an enemy w a revved attack is satisfying asf

[orchid hemlock]

Yes: Orcka29

But I'm not actually at the computer rn

[uncut pebble]

A crit does not improve chainsword's oneshot power on the things it can manage to oneshot and the bleeding won't really help you except against bosses.