veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

vs a properly built rashad or power sword

i.e., the actual top tier vet melees

or hell, even a hsword

you're allowed to like a bad or mid weapon, but that doesn't change its subpar performance lol

[nimble wadi]

You're allowed to think that something is subpar when it's actually not

The beauty of democracy

[hollow ibex]

ignorance is bliss 🤷

[nimble wadi]

I'll take your word for it

[sonic kayak]

Moebian 53rd banter:

[hollow ibex]

don't, i'm saying you should test it for yourself

[glad temple]

The scavenger penance takes ages

[nimble wadi]

r/woosh

[lusty ether]

This isn't a democracy.

You have been marked for extermination and corpse starch processing.

[nimble wadi]

It should be

The God Emperor should abdicate

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[nimble wadi]

Everyone's love and happiness will be placed on the golden throne

[lusty ether]

Big daddy E's got your love and happiness right here.

[nimble wadi]

Loner Psyker is definitely right in terms of the Emperor just being a skeleton that barely can do anything anymore tbh

Maybe he's just an idea we tell ourselves to sleep better at night

[torn depot]

Is stormtrooper talent still worth it when running with a lasgun?

[faint beacon]

If you’re not running survivalist yes

[edgy dew]

is one of the infantry autoguns considered better than the others?

[tame lodge]

Vraks5 iag

The dps monster

[edgy dew]

what is it that sets it apart?

[tame lodge]

High Rate of Fire
Good finesse scaling

50 or so shots

[plain osprey]

I dont like how much it wants to rise while shooting. Thats why i prefer braced autogun Agrippina

[plain osprey]

Poor one out for the fomerly known as "coloumnus".

Why did they have to change that name

[hollow ibex]

fatshart doing a bunch of name changes that do nothing but confuse everyone 👌

[edgy dew]

I noticed a bunch of names in the pinned guides didnt match up, I was wondering why

[plain osprey]

I needed forever to remember that it is Vigilant autogun now.

[torn depot]

But Im running survivalist

Does it negate Stormtrooper?

[faint beacon]

You can invest the point elsewhere cause your ammo being returned is from Survivalist instead of shock

[torn depot]

It doesnt stack?

[tame lodge]

It does "stack"

But if you have one you don't need the other

You can still take both if you want to

[torn depot]

I see

[glad temple]

Best bolt pistol blessings?

I got lvl 4 bleed and lvl 4 crit chance on melee kill

[sweet pivot]

is this worth maxing out

do i neeeeed penetration

[orchid hemlock]

bait used to be believable 🚬

[sweet pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/996874817313710123/1364610147267117056/togif.gif

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/my-argument-when-someone-says-ten-out-of-ten-rage-bait-ragebait-gif-281037827950859461

[torn depot]

What range weapon should I use for a weapon specialist build?

For that adept assassin penance

Is the double barrel shotgun still the most useful?

[inland orchid]

any you’re already comfortable with imo, WS is pretty flexible

[tame lodge]

Zarona or DB

[lucid crest]

i saw someone playing weapon specialist with doublebarrel and he played the entire auric maelstrom like doom

and did literally fucking nothing the entire match

[torn depot]

I play a no aim no brain build normally so having to get a critical weakspot hit

[inland orchid]

Double barrel to the dome never fails

Cept when they got a copious amount of armor

That’s just my experience tho I’m sure there’s cooler double barrels out there

[torn depot]

Should I use the bolt pistol then?

For both accuracy and armor piercing

[tame lodge]

Zarona is right there

[torn depot]

173/250 critical weakshpot hits

This is so slow

[tropic notch]

Dump mobility

[tropic notch]

Sorry was me

[glad temple]

Bolt pistol or revolver?

Been doing good with the pistol

What blessings also?

[tropic notch]

What grenade are you running?

[glad temple]

Krak

[tropic notch]

Yucky! I’d do revolver

Since you’re using krak

[glad temple]

Oh damn what's the difference?

[tropic notch]

Shedder with lethal proximity buff’s your nades im pretty sure it buffs kraks too

Revolver has better breakpoints than the bistol but they are both good

[glad temple]

Wdym breakpoints?

[tropic notch]

How many hits it takes to kill something

[glad temple]

I'll swotch to frags thdn I guess thanks for the advice
Totally forgot the thing sbout lethal proximity

[glad temple]

Ah k

[tropic notch]

A revolver should one shot most elites and specialist

[tropic notch]

Kraks are fine it’s pref really

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build this is what I run

Bistol I do flak maniac with lethal proximity and puncture

[glad temple]

Doesn't the bloody thing one shot flak anyways aside from maulers?

[tropic notch]

Since it’s a single target weapon I run a good melee like Rashad or power sword

[glad temple]

I have puncture and I don't remember which one was it
Crits on melee kill

I also run Specialist tree mostly but with VOC

My melee is Duel Sword

[tropic notch]

I’m not sure weapons specialist gives a guaranteed crit I’m sure with flak it help with one shot body shot

[brazen mural]

When was the Palanite Enforcer skin of the Veteran made? It is honestly pretty cool

[glad temple]

No by crit I mean blessing

[tropic notch]

Ohhh

[glad temple]

Iirc it says it gives crits for x seconds after melee kill

[tropic notch]

Yeah since you have ws you don’t need that

[glad temple]

Or was it close kill idk translation tends to be weird

[elder vessel]

krak in darktide: I sleep

krak in sm2:

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-funny-cat-crack-gif-7013898312834152149

[glad temple]

Meanwhile Mortis trials nade with the gravity vortex

[sweet pivot]

krak is peak

[tropic notch]

The only time it’s good is with bulwark spam

Other than that shedder is awesome

And it helps with bulwark spam

And bosses if you’re lazy

[sweet pivot]

mostly like it cuz im lazy

and i lik ehow it stuns bosses

[sweet pivot]

is there a way to reallocate stat caps or do i js re roll the weapon till i like it

[tame lodge]

Roll until you get x/60% mobility

[nimble wadi]

Is the VIc currently the best recon lasgun?

[formal ice]

The one which isn't red is the best

[tame lodge]

Ammo economy wise yes

[narrow frost]

Vigilant Auto + Tactical Axe

[nimble wadi]

What about damage wise

[tame lodge]

12

[slow spade]

not top ammo used :c

fake Vet

[nimble wadi]

Did pretty good with the VIc with infernus and headhunter. Paired with dueling sword and mainly used on hordes

Not sure if the others are better tho

[quiet valley]

Skirmisher Propaganda

[hollow ibex]

VIc is good, headhunter is not

[nimble wadi]

What else would you put on it

Dumdum?

[hollow ibex]

correct

[glad temple]

Skirmisher is right side tree?

[nimble wadi]

I’m correct that I can just spray it into horde heads right?

Like hip fire

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[glad temple]

Didn't know it was called that

[hollow ibex]

though it's better to melee them most of the time

[hollow ibex]

yup

he's the one and only skirmisher advocate on this server

so take it with a grain of salt

[glad temple]

I like it too tho I don't use stealth

I just like Gun Fu

[hollow ibex]

it's not terrible, it's just really annoying to use

[glad temple]

https://tenor.com/view/equilibrium-christian-bale-guns-gif-15531805

[hollow ibex]

because sliding doesn't count for smirmisher

[tame lodge]

I should rewatch Equilibrium

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[neon pecan]

whats the dump stat on helbore?

[nimble wadi]

Is this solid snake

[tame lodge]

Stability

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs4-mgs-snake-screaming-liquid-gif-24449463

[hasty grove]

Sergeant Major Morrow’s favorite Strike Team

[nimble wadi]

Is he from Armageddon

[orchid hemlock]

Which one? 😈

[hasty grove]

Morrow is from Armageddon, he wears his Steel Legion coat if you never noticed

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/koRMS7BmqMZoThuF8?invite=cr-MSx6RzAsMTA3NDAxNTcz

[hasty grove]

And he has a voice line where he tells your strike to team to give the Sanctus Redactus target “the Steel Legion hello”

[nimble wadi]

Oh yeah

[hollow ibex]

you think he's going to enjoy seeing rejects larping as participants in a war that he has PTSD from?

it's like going to gramp's birthday party dressed as a vietnam war vet

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[hasty grove]

We are literally from Armageddon

[vapid thunder]

what makes dueling sword so strong

[faint beacon]

Just gonna casually say just because we're limited on planet choices im headcannoning my Vet as coming from Armageddon

[faint beacon]

insane movement, insane single target damage, and a High stagger special button

3 safety nets

its only downside is very poor hordeclear

It also has very high finesse so if you literally heavy attack on heads it drops enemies pathetically quickly

[hollow ibex]

turns out a weapon having very high dps while being very safe is kinda busted

[tame lodge]

Which isn't as bad

4.5 cleave on lights

Can easily meet breakpoints for trash

[faint beacon]

You dont understand how

excited

I am to see a nerf happen to it

if it does

[primal zealot]

i hope they buff it

[void dragon]

Gamba for weapons, for curios, and now for when Obesefish will nerf DS

[pseudo fiber]

No he called the steel legion back up (all 4 of them I guess) personally. This is from a voiceline I heard exactly 1 time around the release of unlocked and loaded.

I think it played before the shop rotated on the Thursday 2 days after the unlocked and loaded update

Where Morrow explicitly says he asked for some steel legion back up

[faint beacon]

He did say that sometime ago

I recall hearing it

[pseudo fiber]

Now somehow that's not the strangest premium set factoid

[hollow ibex]

Are we larping as the backup or actually the backup, because in the story we are just rejects lol

[pseudo fiber]

Which is there's an entire battalion of elysian shock drop troopers just on Atoma apparently

[pseudo fiber]

The clothes are from dead people

So larping

[pseudo fiber]

This is never brought up by anyone

Or ever.

But they're there somehow.

Some more premium set lore for you

The Krieg guys just worked for Grendyl before this

So they're around

I don't think the Savlar had anything interesting

Nor did the Vostroyans

Again inquisitors are allowed to just grab people so it's probably that

[quiet valley]

You can charge heavy attacks while sprinting it still stacks

Also more Skirmisher propaganda its actually pretty nuts

[quaint marsh]

Am I the only one who cant swap the mark of an Agripinaa revolver to a Zarona

[grand perch]

nah theres a commissar with them. he aint so lucky dealing with those

[grand perch]

how dare you not post the build

[quiet valley]

Bolt Pistol Lethal Prox ofc

[grand perch]

so you run around stacking the damage buff and then throw nades?

[hollow ibex]

What weapon?

[grand perch]

knife id guess

[faint beacon]

The sheer fact this entire side is ignored is simply insane to me

Precision Strikes is just way too good to pass up on

[hollow ibex]

My main thing is that I just hate sliding doesn't count towards skirmisher stacks

[quiet valley]

DS4

[quiet valley]

yeah its nuts

most of dmg is nades

[cerulean grail]

I hope they nerf it into the ground. It would be well deserved for all those who apologise for it.

[hasty grove]

I’m the commisar

Commissar Idris Varn

[grand perch]

well dont tell morrow the blood must flow then

[faint beacon]

try that build with riderect and see how stupid the damage jumps up cause im genuinely curious

[tepid otter]

Just got in a match with a Vet that looked like he had a really good melee build or loadout on him with the Power Sword and Infiltration as his ability

Does anyone have like a similar loadout, I kinda wanted to try and copy it

[thin stone]

I feel the veteran is a better class than Zealot because it promotes careful play

With zealot you can be careless but not vet boi

I've been learning a lot by playing the veteran in hordes where you are surrounded

[timber summit]

Hi guys anyone got a decent general use build i can use? i like most weapons

[thin stone]

I remember a infantry lasgun veteran build for havoc 40

It was Coolio

Want the link?

[timber summit]

@thin stone yeah sure!

[thin stone]

https://youtu.be/uk9ABxpAKhs?si=bZUl-7ghaOt8WRb0

@timber summit

[timber summit]

tyvm~

[lean yoke]

boltgun power sword > everything else

[thin stone]

no u

[thin stone]

unhinged ahh combo

real guardsmen use lasguns

[sudden cedar]

I beg to differ. Real guardsmen use whatever weapon they are given and make the best of it.

[lean yoke]

thats why they always dying

[forest scaffold]

I'd use the mk4 infantry more if I didn't need to click 9 times a second to reach the maximum dps

we already have a recon lasgun fatshark, what the fuck is this repetitive stress injury bullshit

[short sinew]

full auto mod does wonders

[thin stone]

What's that

the repetitive stress injury?

[forest scaffold]

I don't follow

RSI is from doing the same action over and over, for extended periods of times(Like clicking your mouse button a bunch)

also typing generally falls into it, but things like football quarterbacks and baseball pitchers also run into it before it develops into tendonitis and the like

[warm flower]

anyone knows if there is a bleed assault chain build?

i like DoT and enjoy chainswords a lot

[austere mica]

It wouldn’t be good

Bleed is bad and using a rev to get it is worse

[rancid egret]

It's kind of too risky to play that way IMHO

[austere mica]

If you want bleed you have frags

[warm flower]

https://tenor.com/view/cedric-daniels-that-sucks-bullshit-gif-13476541

[warm flower]

im currently using combat blade + frag spam

with shout

i like it a lot but i kinda got boreed of the knife

[austere mica]

Unfortunate

Get well soon

[rancid egret]

You'll get stuck in the cut scenes while trying to pull back. It does a lot of dot DMG, but not worth the risk just to maybe hit a boss in a weak point.

[austere mica]

You should try tac axe

[warm flower]

tbh never touched it before so will give it a try

[grand perch]

Do it

[warm flower]

blessings/dump as the guide says?

[grand perch]

Let tac axe into your life

[warm flower]

the pinned one ofc

[grand perch]

Ye

[warm flower]

ty

but overall, chains r bad for veteran? 😔

or just in combo with bleed?

[rancid egret]

Tac axe way better than the chain sword.

Pair that with the bolt gun

[austere mica]

Tac axe is actually good at carapace on vet it’s weird

[warm flower]

currently running pistol my beloved

[spring isle]

its more that the vulnerability doesnt warrant the dps output rather than actually staying alive with parry etc

[warm flower]

i see

[rancid egret]

I'm gonna main Arbites later on, gonna retire veteran, and Zealot. I know most people play everything, but I like to stick to a class or two.

Just gotta wait 23 days..

Longest slowest month of my life. Lol

[gritty mural]

my ready or not character will make his way into the 40k universe named Judge Joe who wields the balistic shield + pistol

[slow sky]

The cult continues to spread

[austere mica]

The tac axe mind virus

[grand perch]

It comes with free extended warranty

[quiet valley]

Could swap for Twinned but Twinned is funny

[vivid silo]

I've mained a Chain Axe on my Vet for many months now, clearing all the way through Havoc 40 in pubs exclusively. They are decent weapons, but will likely require more effort and talent build-prioritization to make it work properly

I don't use the bleed blessing though

[native ocean]

Tac axe rocks

[pseudo fiber]

Imagine if chainaxe and chainsword damage was linear

[mellow adder]

Hey guys quick question, for sniping builds that use the Precise & High Damage weapons is Marksman's focus even worth it or am I better off placing my points in other passives and modifiers? I'm always running and sniping, I try not to stand still lol

[pseudo fiber]

Well what weapon are you using?

Marksmans benefits from clicking heads the most

However focus target can also be useful for sniping builds

[wanton vapor]

If I remember correctly, Marksman’s focus won’t lose stacks for several seconds even if you move as long as you’re hitting weakspot kills

[pseudo fiber]

6 seconds I believe

[mellow adder]

for my build I use the Agripinaa Combat Shotgun & Zarona Revolver

[pseudo fiber]

Oh then something like focus target or weapon specialist would do you a lot of good

[grand perch]

Agrip shotgun and revolver would be more on the meme side with marksman's focus. Though honestly I never thought to try agrip shotty with MMF, I'd need to look at it's finesse modifier to see if it's worth it

Also with it's special slug needing reloading between each shot, that would make it hard to keep up stacks

[mellow adder]

The build I use is pretty great and fun for 1 tapping Specials and Elites with the Revolver and Shotgun. Also the Shotgun Slug is pretty good for staggering Ogyrn enemies. Though it is an older build from 2023 😭

[grand perch]

you might actually be on to something, i wasnt aware agrip shotty has an excellent finesse modifier of about 2,1 or so

even without using slug specials you should boost damage a lot with MMF. just remember to ADS. ill try that out later, but i foresee ammo supply being an issue.

[sturdy crescent]

Wish I had lights on vigilant autogun

This bash does nothing

[pallid jetty]

holding it does the thing

[sturdy crescent]

I know but I getting swarmed for mostly

[pallid jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/nfs-need-for-speed-nfs-carbon-need-for-speed-carbon-cutscene-gif-27586810

[sturdy crescent]

There's more point to use melee

[pallid jetty]

bro doest know about ragers...

[sturdy crescent]

Because you kill them first

I don't understand what problem with killing most problematic enemies first

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/nfs-carbon-need-for-speed-need-for-speed-carbon-skill-issue-colin-gif-27607698

lol this gif funny

[pure niche]

I've been trying to mess around with it a bit... but what can the Boltgun bring to the table that the Plasma can not?

Obviously just feelscrafting not numbers or anything but it doesn't seem any stronger for feeling clunkier.

[normal bay]

Boss damage mostly

Can be more efficient if theres a massive amount of ranged enemies

[frank basin]

plasma as faster draw time than boltgun

[pure niche]

So I guess it's ultimately just a whichever one vibes with you the most kinda pick.

[frank basin]

plasma has more round to shoot over boltgun 15 rounds

[normal bay]

Plasma has a ton of advantages tbh. But bolter is still good

[pure niche]

Yeah my first love is a braced aggy (though I do wish bracing it was actually more useful)... but it might be kind of a troll pick in the fancier content, so plasma seems to be my go-to there.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-gif-4442548120011315856

[nimble wadi]

Why taxe

[loud belfry]

why not taxe

[nimble wadi]

It’s just… taxe

Like it’s the vanilla of melee weapons

[last pewter]

taxe sounds too much like taxes to me

[loud belfry]

it's fast

[grand perch]

What? No

[nimble wadi]

Did you pay the IRS

[nimble wadi]

You are paid by Big Taxe

[grand perch]

He got me

[nimble wadi]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/710431264678739990/1067309813106753678/peepo-laugh-point.gif

[tame lodge]

People just like bad things

And that's ok

[tardy arrow]

taxe? more like... t-rex. ha

wouldn't it be REALLY funny if we gave combat blades the same reach as tac axes instead of being a bayonet with the reach of a polearm? i know, i'm so silly

quick sniff

[last pewter]

never

[nimble wadi]

Wow you just exposed yourself

[grand perch]

I also don't pay the IRS

[nimble wadi]

[nimble wadi]

[grand perch]

Not a US citizen

[tardy arrow]

Same. I'm a British Texan

[grand perch]

[nimble wadi]

But why didn’t you pay the IRS

[nimble wadi]

[grand perch]

IRS is giving taxes a bad name

[tardy arrow]

if i had perms i'd reply to that with the freaky sonic gif

[frank basin]

Using Bad weapon means per chances get blacklisted

[vivid silo]

I'd say that if anyone blacklisted me for using what they feel is a bad weapon, that's a win for me

As they are likely terrible at the game

At best they have such a toxic mentality that I'd rather not play with them

[frank basin]

How British Texan actually a thing?

Do British Texan speak cockney British or southern accent?

[tardy arrow]

I believe the more broadly recognised term is "Australian"

[frank basin]

There that make sense

[grand perch]

but does he remember the alamo

[nimble wadi]

[tardy arrow]

✊😔

[nimble wadi]

Alamo is a brand of mayo right

[tame lodge]

It's a dubbing studio

*it was

[sonic kayak]

The a la mode

[serene bough]

It was also a movie theater chain

Brewhouse + movies

[wary spoke]

Plasma gun only viable option for havoc 30-35+?

[serene bough]

Bolt pistol is also a solid pick

But plasma is definitely the best all-around

[tame lodge]

Lasweapons are peak at havoc

[wary spoke]

I've started playing late 2024 and quit around January and recently came back so started doing harder content but aurics and maelstrom as well as the damnations are piss easy. I did havoc 20 last time I think like couple days ago and recently started levelling up a zealot level 26 atm

Well good to see plasma gun still in the scene

I will also try lasguns

[tardy arrow]

yeah recon and laspistol are solid

helbores are... yeah not my thing

infantry lasgun used to be so good pre-patch 13

[torn gorge]

[tardy arrow]

rip mg xii infantry lasgun, or whatever it's called now 😭

mk ix?

idek

[wary spoke]

I heard stub revolver is dogshit in high havoc

Ig low mag with elite spams

[torn gorge]

also different breakpoints

[tardy arrow]

havoc does shake things up a bit, but i hope it's not balanced around

stub revolver is extremely solid in aurics and regular missions

[tame lodge]

No ammo

Although not the only reason

[tardy arrow]

yeah, the artificial difficulty strikes again

[torn gorge]

tbh pre survivalist aura nerf revolver thrived in maelstrom

it was essentially the sweet spot for repeated 1 tap city

[tame lodge]

I miss dog waves survivalist

https://tenor.com/view/he-thinks-omniman-invincible-i-miss-my-wife-i-think-i-miss-my-wife-gif-13565555847376963463

[torn gorge]

yeah, on a rumbler ogryn

[wary spoke]

I see I see

Yeah I do love the revolver a lot

But my friends who spam havoc 40 told me it is not that great up there

[unreal nova]

Too little ammo and you will never hit the 1 shot breakpoint it requires to function.

[grand perch]

so agrip shotgun with MMF is pretty funneh, but ammo hungry

[naive aurora]

Is damage to maniacs and damage to unyielding still the perks I wanna go on Plasma Guns?

[grand perch]

you want unarmored for that sweet dreg gunner 1hs

using plasma on bosses is a waste of ammo, damage isnt particularily good

[naive aurora]

I thought unyielding was crushers as well?

[grand perch]

nah thats carapace

youre thinking of bulwark and reaper

iirc it doesnt change BPs on them so why bother

[naive aurora]

I see, thanks dood.

[nimble wadi]

Don’t crushers also technically count as unyielding

[tall torrent]

unarmored + flak is best for plasma

[tame lodge]

Their core should definitely count as unyielding

(another flamer/explosives type buff)

And dots

But alas

[last marten]

every event i spend all the currency i get on this roll and havent gotten it 😔

i dont even play much vet

[karmic moat]

blue braced autogun having fuller auto is a pleasant surprise tradeoff to it's lesser dmg

[unreal nova]

You get it if you hate it.

[tame lodge]

That's not full auto

10 stacks of Weapon Specialist

This is full auto

Brrrr

[versed dove]

gimme a gun like the enemy gunners have for the vet

[karmic moat]

so a light stubber?

[naive aurora]

having not played in a few months, the penance system seems more fucked then before lmao.

[unreal nova]

You mean 0 in half a sec.

[tame lodge]

Eh not really

[tall torrent]

it's normal I spent like 4 million ordos to get this 1 godroll

[naive aurora]

I don't get it anymore 😦

[inland orchid]

Complete penace, get penace points

Get enough penace points u get extra cosmetic stuff

[tidal crescent]

I got an all 80 plas gun with ammo 60 as the dump stat. is that the ideal roll?

put maniac and unyielding damage on it, gets hot and blaze away

[tidal crescent]

i see. i guess what i have will do just fine though, just need to change the perks and blessings

its just something like 10 less shots I guess, with the 60% ammo

only level 26 on my vet so i feel like I got pretty lucky

[tepid otter]

Where do you guys get these item builds from

[tame lodge]

It's from his guide

Still work in progress

[unreal nova]

That's 4 times more than what I spent, including mastery 20.

[unreal nova]

68-69 thermal 72-71 charge rate. Do note 68 is better, but not all 68s can do 8 shots.

[tropic notch]

I can’t stop playing ws vet with dbarrel

I killed like 7 shotgunners in one shot

And cleaned up the rest with knife

[dry cloak]

manstopper

give infinite cleave

[tropic notch]

It did indeed stop those men

[tidal crescent]

maxed out my plas gun and chainsword 🎉

recon lasgun and combat axe next

[dry cloak]

good

[tidal crescent]

or maybe the shock maul, never seen anyone use that

[dry cloak]

shockmaul is a stagger weapon at heart

[tidal crescent]

so crowd control? i could use some of that

[dry cloak]

also

special on shockmaul stuns every enemy but bosses

its single target

but helps wtih bulwakrs and crushers

[tidal crescent]

tbh sounds like a good utility weapon

surprised i dont see it more

[trim badger]

Powersword is more epic
Knife is more flashy
Duelling sword is beyond broken OP

[tall torrent]

me

[tepid otter]

Where can I check it out

[inland orchid]

Pinned messages

[tall torrent]

it's not yet published

an earlier but outdated version is pinned here

[tall torrent]

because it's lacking in most areas

it's a stagger oriented weapon that doesn't do a lot of stagger

[tidal quail]

what sword should I take for vet
dueling heavy or power
when looking up stuff it usually varies between those 3

[tall torrent]

power sword VI

[hollow ibex]

Psword is the best vet melee weapon

[tidal quail]

what stat should I go with 60 for it then ig

[tame lodge]

Cleave Targets

Doesn't change much stuff and the higher mobility stat will help with poor dodges

[tidal quail]

and for plasma gun I just go charge rate?

[hollow ibex]

@tired egret

[tidal quail]

huh-

why 69-71

[hollow ibex]

#veteran-class message

[orchid hemlock]

Well 69 😈

[narrow frost]

You get 8 left clicks before overheat

And charge rate does change how fast left clicks charge

[tidal quail]

ah, fair enough

[narrow frost]

And iirc 70 and above is the fastest speed

(for left clicks)

[tidal quail]

pain, 69 charge 71 ammo

[finite hawk]

mine is 68/72 and still gets 8 shots, guess that's because of how the game is rounding up those values

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's 68.something for 8 shots

So 69 is the safe threshold

[hollow ibex]

And the better number anyways

[raw geyser]

Hey, so I've decided to play Veteran again after God knows how long, haven't touched him since mastery came out. Is there any list and what not for weapon dump stats, or anything like the Ogrynomicon?

[narrow frost]

Indeed

Paths guide

Most recent pin

[raw geyser]

Word?

[orchid hemlock]

Piiiii nnsssss

[narrow frost]

And if you need up to date answers I can look at the steam guide

[raw geyser]

It's a good day

[narrow frost]

Pin guide is a little outdated

[orchid hemlock]

Yesir

[narrow frost]

Mostly stays the same though

[tame lodge]

Classic

[slow sky]

Posted in r/Darktide

[orchid hemlock]

Posted in r/Darktide

[trail ingot]

are the autoguns still worth using?

[orchid hemlock]

Which auto guns? 😈

[trail ingot]

braced

[hollow ibex]

They're meh but fun for the memes

[trail ingot]

yeah, my old build is dog

[plain osprey]

I use the braced autogun unironically. Mainly because i dont like how the IA is rising in braced firemode. However, there is a difference between preference and actual numbers. The best autogun stat and gameplay wise is the vraksian IA (fomerly known as MK V coloumnus). However, a skilled player can make any autogun work in all gamemodes except high level havocs

[trail ingot]

fa sho

[grand perch]

agrip brautogun is superb for anything but havoc

be sure to use exec stance for extra accuracy

[trail ingot]

hard to let go of voc

but yeah

[tame lodge]

If you don't run CRIT build

[plain osprey]

?

[plain osprey]

Ive never run it with exe stance. Is it worth it? I usually run it with a specialised gunner build with a certain Blessing that, as long as i have a certain amount of stamina, allows me to just run into reaper fire without taking damage evading every single bullet

[tidal quail]

is 70 thermal
70 charge

good enough for a plasma gun ro does it have to be 69/71 78/72

[tame lodge]

Yes

69 is just for 8 shots before overheating

[grand perch]

yes, use exec and just mow down reapers instead of having to dodge their fire

or, you know, suppress them. which brautos do nicely too

[tidal quail]

what blessings should I take for the plasma/power sword ig

[tame lodge]

Plasma is Rising Heat and Gets Hot

Psword Mk6 is Brutal Momentum and Power Cycler

[tidal quail]

noted

[tall torrent]

good enough

[tepid otter]

Any good builds using infil anyone

[neon current]

@tall torrent ever done math on nexus vs penetrating purg?

I gotta know to minmax proper!

[tall torrent]

nexus is better

[tropic notch]

Always blaze away and nexus

[tall torrent]

penetrating flames is almost meme build

[neon current]

it's aight

I don't need more than 30%

that gives me 100% EE uptime

[grand perch]

A thought just hit me

[tall torrent]

penetrating flames is almost meme build because of this

[neon current]

but than again, you can just PA an uncanny FS

[grand perch]

Why don't they give shredder auto pistol stripped down

[neon current]

dude

fuckin release your guide already

I need those tables

[tall torrent]

no

[orchid hemlock]

Never

[grand perch]

Sprint right at shooters while spraying them with lead and being immune to ranged yourself

[tall torrent]

I even bothered to write an FAQ for it lol

[neon current]

but yea, penetrating is all but useless with an uncanny FS

that you can just aoe PA 10m

[tall torrent]

finished shock mauls today

[neon current]

now that's dedication

a weapon that no one will ever use again

[tall torrent]

16 melee weapons left

[neon current]

shock mauls were cool for about a week after release

to be never seen again

the destiny of balanced weapons in DT

[tall torrent]

there's no balanced weapon in DT

95% are undertuned
the rest are overtuned

[neon current]

I'd say taxe makes a good median

well, on a zealot that is

without crits, it sucks

[tall torrent]

good balanced weapon is somewhere below relic blade

like 3 nerfs away from current relic blade

tac axe is like 5~7 buffs away from being good

[tidal crescent]

idk i like the shock maul

its kinda fun

[tall torrent]

just needs 10~12 buffs to be good
the moveset foundation is there, its numbers just arent good enough

[hollow ibex]

Hmm hsword?

I'd say hsword is balanced

[tall torrent]

Any melee that sucks vs carapace is ultimately not good enough

Given the sorry state of ranged anti-carapace options

[hollow ibex]

It is a low investment weapon that's great at horde clear though, I think that's pretty good value

[mellow adder]

Is the one on the Left better stats?

[hollow ibex]

Yes though neither is the optimal roll

@tired egret

[mellow adder]

whats the dump stat for plas?

[hollow ibex]

...

[ocean idol]

What is good melee to pair up inf lasgun with?

Also which lasgun is better?

[tame lodge]

2b or 7

9 got power crept

Any melee that can handle carapace

[hollow ibex]

Power sword or Rashad

Maybe knife

Not many options since you need both horde clear and carapace

[ocean idol]

And between the 2?

[tidal crescent]

which recon lasgun mark is generally best?

torrent on xii is fun but i feel like i do no damage

[ocean idol]

If you use brittle build, then fast firing one

if not, then slowest firing one

it pierces up to 3 targets

[tidal crescent]

slowest is xiv/14 right?

no thats the 2 per shot nvm

[tame lodge]

Iirc
7 does better Specials and Elites
2b is a little behind but has better ammo economy and uptime

[warm flower]

what tactical axe mark would be best for a person that never ever used tactical axe before?

[tall torrent]

2 or 7

[tidal crescent]

tac axe is also not amazing so maybe max it asap and move on

[tame lodge]

2 or 7

[tall torrent]

Tac axes 2 and 7 are basically the same weapon

[warm flower]

ty

[tame lodge]

Hope you have good wrist strength

[ocean idol]

why even max it out lol

I touched it like 3 times in entire playthrough

just to make sure it is shit

[tidal crescent]

i like maxing things

never know when something gets buffed and becomes good

[tame lodge]

[ocean idol]

Then i will max out when it stops being shit

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/english-gif-stark-avengers-gif-27355668

[ocean idol]

what is the point of suffering through something yuou don['t enjoy

[tidal crescent]

change of pace when you're bored of the other stuff ig

[warm flower]

im gonna use tactical axe because i like my bleed builds and i got bored of combat blade

[hollow ibex]

Taxe doesn't have much bleed synergy though

[tame lodge]

Good luck bleeding

2 walkers per swing

[warm flower]

iunno #veteran-class message i dont play this game much

[tame lodge]

With Brutal Momentum you can insta kill 4 (weakspot or crit)

[warm flower]

gotta try if its fun, thats what counts most

[tame lodge]

Remember your push attacks

And heavies

[warm flower]

yep ikr, i have many hours in vt2

[tame lodge]

Great

You'll be using those often with shit axe

I mean

Tactical Axe

[karmic moat]

lol shitaxe

[ocean idol]

With lasgun 2b it is so hard to actually aim downsight lol

If you use full fire rate that is

it is mroe suited to hipfire

So how much damage actually Marksman gives?

[tame lodge]

The 20% strength

Or Marksman Focus

?

[ocean idol]

Yes

[tame lodge]

If it's Marksman, it's should be another 20% damage

If it's Marksman Focus, then it's finesse math

Which I haven't mastered yet

[ocean idol]

by yes i meant focus

Just trying to figure if it is worth running on recon

Or even infantry lasguns for that mattere

they have good headshot multiplier, but low crit multiplier

[hollow ibex]

MMF sucks for recon

Fine fot ilas

Though MMF sucks in general

[ocean idol]

Why?

[hollow ibex]

Because it's ass to play

Penalized for moving

Unless you crabwalk

[thick bear]

Depends on your build and playstyle
I use the fast dakka one with infernus and dumdum

[neon current]

6c

you lose some dmg for much improved ammo econ

mk12 is good if you like to eat ammo for breakfast

[warm flower]

Chainsword MK 4 VS MK 13g?

[neon current]

the new one

has much better armor pen

but you need pushattack to activate horde combo

[warm flower]

so 13? Didnt play for over 6 months

[neon current]

ideally, neither tho

yea 13g I think

[warm flower]

ty

[tidal crescent]

"neither" spoken like a true uncultured non-chainsword user

[neon current]

I just don't hate myself

[tidal crescent]

i have more fun with chainsword than any other melees tbh

rule of cool wins out for me

[neon current]

that's all that matters

any weapon is good enough for aurics

[tidal crescent]

yanno ive never used heavy sword. is it good horde clear? literally just vanguards on the light

[hollow ibex]

Especially if you have an ogryn or psyker teammate trivializing the game

[hollow ibex]

It's good

[tame lodge]

Good against everything
Everything
But Carapace

[hollow ibex]

Horde clear is the hswords specialty

[tidal crescent]

very good

[ocean idol]

Nah, easy to keep it up and max out again

[hollow ibex]

It's ok with camo. Aids otherwise when half the time, the servers don't even register weakspot kills

[ocean idol]

What camo has to do with it?

... actually, what ev en camo is

i nev er had any problems with headshots registring

[brazen mural]

Can some of the information here be used or is it very outdated?

[hollow ibex]

Must be nice

[hollow ibex]

It's still mostly up to date

[tame lodge]

Most still useful

[hollow ibex]

Like 90 percent prob

[ocean idol]

Marksman focus is definitely strong with las pistol

[hollow ibex]

Turns out a finesse weapon does well with the finesse keystone

[brazen mural]

Cool! Wanting to use the chain sword on vet. Building him for crit, attack speed, etc

[hollow ibex]

Oh chsword kinda ass rn

Well it's usable

[brazen mural]

Rending strikes still important for the chain sword?

[brazen mural]

Did it change or has it been left in the dust?

[ocean idol]

nah, it is very good against hordes

and even some elites

only really struggles with carapce

for which chaxe way better

[hollow ibex]

Power crept

[ocean idol]

I dunno

I would put it top 3 anti-horde weapons for vet

the newer chsword that is

[karmic moat]

what weapons y'all bring with smoke nades?

[tame lodge]

All of them

Rashad Axe

[hollow ibex]

Lol nah

Power sword, Rashad, hsword, and then we can start considering the other options

[tame lodge]

Brutal Momentum moment

[ocean idol]

I would say it is better than hsword

may be even rashad

rashad has way lower attakc speed

[hollow ibex]

Compensated by decapitating four bruisers per swing

And chsword just isn't matching anything with brutal momentum

Maybe even taxe

[snow cypress]

Hey guys does this mean any kill or just Elite and Specialist kills?

[tame lodge]

All kills

And since melee kills replenish 5%
With o4b you replenish 10%

[snow cypress]

OHHH

every kill replenishes 5% toughness?

I didn't know that lmao

[tame lodge]

With Out for blood, yes

[snow cypress]

wait wait

[snow cypress]

and this?

[tame lodge]

Melee kills replenish 5% by default

[snow cypress]

OHHHHHHHHHHH

[tame lodge]

With 04b is another 5% on top

[snow cypress]

so 10%

[tame lodge]

Yup

[snow cypress]

I got it

Thanks ❤️

[brazen mural]

Okey, that was painfull. I am bad now as I have not played for 4 months, I tried Chain Sword. Gosh I played terrible. Tired me with PS played much better yesterday

[snow cypress]

Does anyone know if Born Leader is affected by this?

[hollow ibex]

Should be since it's all sources

[snow cypress]

is born leader affected from passive toughness regen?

No,right?

[sharp epoch]

even if it did it would be giving such a miniscule amount of toughness per second

.75% toughness

[snow cypress]

Well that's kinda right

But for hordes it's not bad ig

[sharp epoch]

only if you yourself take toughness damage to regen it

[snow cypress]

wdym?

[sharp epoch]

it doesnt give toughness if your full toughness

so you gotta get damaged first

[snow cypress]

huuuh

nice to know that

So it's useless if I don't get damage?

[warm schooner]

I've heard conflicting things on how Born Leader works

[snow cypress]

Each person say a different thing

[warm schooner]

sometimes even the devs

[snow cypress]

b r u h

[hollow ibex]

If this is from paths guide I'm inclined to trust it

[warm schooner]

it is

[snow cypress]

Thanks for your help :]

[tall torrent]

it does

it used not to, then got patched

[hollow ibex]

Oh yeah I thought I remembered something about that

[tropic notch]

I love the hsword on vet but I wish vet had a better way to deal with cara

Using it on zealot is night and day

Mainly because of fury and his crit

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I only run it on helbore/bolter/revolver sniper builds

[slow spade]

Uncanny on Hsword pls :c

[narrow frost]

that wouldnt work for Hsword

it wants power and BM

power being HT

for breakpoints

uncanny is a mistake

[slow spade]

make it built-in

[nimble wadi]

Help me out here for recon lasgun:
dumdum+infernace or headhunter+dumdum or headhunter+infernace

[quiet valley]

Dum Dum / Infernus always

[surreal heron]

The veteran F skill you start with, does it make your aim auto track in any way? or is that just my imagination?

[tame lodge]

Do you have aim assist on?

[surreal heron]

is it on by default? im on PC

[hollow ibex]

There isn't any auto aim

It just highlights targets

[nimble wadi]

So headhunter doesn't really matter too much regarding crits?

[quiet valley]

Headhunter is bad crit scaling, its better the less crit you have

And its better to have more dmg

[nimble wadi]

Wdym it's better the less you have

[quiet valley]

It gives you less crit chance the more crit chance you already have

So if you are building crit its worse

[torn depot]

I underestimated the shock maul

With the 2 seconds on melee hit, it's a good combo with the shock effect

[slow spade]

Headhunter is good if you're extremely unlucky

otherwise 1% crit is enough ;)

[torn depot]

Just two more kills for weapon specialist and I will have 100% all of veterans penances

[hollow star]

go outside

[torn depot]

I already did most of it during the Beta

[charred pulsar]

Ok meta blessings for knife vet

[hollow ibex]

Which knife?

[charred pulsar]

The one for hordes

[hollow ibex]

Well uncanny is always the first pick

[charred pulsar]

The one where u hold the knife backwards for style points

[hollow ibex]

Oh mk6?

Precog or riposte is the second option

[charred pulsar]

Ye

Precog or riposte, which one is the best pair for uncaany?

[orchid hemlock]

Headhunter is good on other guns

The problem with recons is that it's too low and fires too quickly, causing the crit to reset every time you do land a crit

The more crit you have before headhunter procs, the lower value it has

[hollow ibex]

It's up to you

[orchid hemlock]

Precog agile

[hollow ibex]

Imagine if knife got agile

[charred pulsar]

Fineesse

Hmmm

[orchid hemlock]

Precog + agile is unironically BIS for Zealot

Idk about vet tho

[tidal crescent]

is shredder still my best nade?

been a while

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[orchid hemlock]

Shut up, get the kush

[tame lodge]

Do it all type beat

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-smoke-grenade-gif-12354350061668714276

[honest elk]

smoke nade spam? is that a thing guardsman can do?

[nimble wadi]

I see

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's one of the blitz options

frag nades are stronger tho

[honest elk]

ik he's called veteran but i prefer calling him guardsman cause its basically the same thing

[vague summit]

alright gents trying out vet, any pointers/tips applicable in general?

have no idea what's good for him talent wise

[hollow ibex]

idk much w40k lore, but i think veterancy is an earned status for guardsmen no?

[hollow ibex]

hammer of the emperor guide in the pins is a mostly up-to-date guide that covers everything

[hollow ibex]

#1 mistake of newb vets is not using their melee enough and just shooting all game

the only true ranged class in this game is psyker

vet's a hybrid class

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39a0c4-39ed-417d-bb6d-838991d8fb09/femboy-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[honest elk]

bruh what is this? (space maids W)

[orchid hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbOjPLyIg44

[stoic thorn]

veteran guardsman
doesn't fucking appear in the veteran guardsman kill team

FS might be LYING out of their teeth on this one

veteran guardsman
doesn't mention about being from a command squad

[final fjord]

тут че русскоговорящих нет что ли?

[agile mango]

can someone direct me to a good recon lasgun build?

[distant plaza]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3d7575-3a0f-4a47-81f4-6d45b2b099ae/mister-es-mvp-vet

[agile mango]

ty

flak and unyielding or unyielding and crit on duleing sword?

[unreal nova]

Is Mr. E. Take it with loads of salt in terms of quality.

[magic aurora]

A real femboy build would be using a tac axe

[agile mango]

wait, so what perks do I put on DS if I need to choose between flak and crit? Furthermore, what's the recon lasgun dumpstat?

[distant plaza]

the pinned hammer of the emperor guide would probably be able to answer those questions

[torn depot]

Finally completely all veteran penances

Now I can go back to being a grenade spammer

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3a17a9-c4c4-4f9b-855b-c37250ad14f2/basic-bitch-recon-las

[hollow ibex]

this is wrong in so many ways i don't even know where to begin

[magic aurora]

Mr e moment

[unreal nova]

Is why I said, is a Mr. E build. Take it with alot of salt.

[distant plaza]

^

[unreal nova]

I think my own recon build is saner.

[distant plaza]

eh, yeah, i kinda like the build you linked a little better than the mr e one

[hollow ibex]

well my build is just a meta slave build

mr. e's build has more flavor

though it's very suboptimal

[distant plaza]

but does it have more dakka? 👀

[unreal nova]

I just go funni one track minded.

[warm schooner]

Flesh tearer lacerate

I laughed

[unreal nova]

Can you kill anything other than bosses? Nu. Bosses? Heh.

[hollow ibex]

john darktide's first knife

"hey guys, i think i found something really cool. i can put TWO bleed blessings on my knife!!"

[magic aurora]

Just run the shovel on every vet build 😄

[unreal nova]

Guy doesn't realise uncanny exists.

[hollow ibex]

"what's this rending thing. meh. prob trash. more bleed it is."

[magic aurora]

Mister E's advice is to shoot crushers

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wo-joker-joaqu-gif-23924191

[unreal nova]

I guess if you get 3 staffkers.

[magic aurora]

Ive been getting shock-maul-pilled lately

Mostly on zealot but still

Weapon is fun af

[sharp cave]

who ever leaves a match just because things are looking bleak is a BITCH

[faint beacon]

or slam your head against a wall

that works also

[gray flume]

who no dueling sword ? not a Criticism just wondering

[hollow ibex]

duelling sword is overpowered, boring and isn't as good for horde clear

[late pine]

I've being using the Helbore Rifle a lot, fighting at range and using my bayonet to the point I forget to even switch to my melee. 😅

[sharp cave]

the dualing sword is great for horde clearing wdym

[hollow ibex]

it's objectively mid at horde clear

but that's literally the only thing it's not good at

[sharp cave]

honestly its fine at horde clear i think your kinda zorked off bad stims bro

gotta lay off the stims man

[hollow ibex]

then we're in agreement? mid = fine. not great, not terrible.

[sharp cave]

aye that works

[late pine]

I've found parrying to be good for me, since it takes out numerous with that sword. Only recently realised they stayed making it cost Stamina.

[austere mica]

It’s safe for it, not effective

[iron marten]

I miss limbsplitter + brutal momentum bayonets

[frail citrus]

opinions on the combat axe?

[supple laurel]

rashad is goated

[frail citrus]

ikr

im trying not to use it but

i can feel it calling me

nothing is really comparing

[austere mica]

Tactical axe

[frail citrus]

i tried it once, did not like it at all

[orchid hemlock]

Nah bro, try horde clearing a wave of ragers and maulers

[frail citrus]

not enough damage

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's bad

[orchid hemlock]

Let's fucking go, DS going to be shamed off the game

[austere mica]

Sounds like you built it wrong

[frail citrus]

it can be good with horde clear on psyker with the perk that sets everyone on fire around the elite you kill, but on vet yeah it def can be weak on horde clear

i think its good with weapon specialist

but then ur voice lines cut out when you light attack spam so you're losing a lot

[austere mica]

That’s just crunching on perilous to clear for you

[frail citrus]

i promise you i am NOT carrying the dueling sword on psyker JUST for horde clear

im just saying i find it better for that under those circumstances

[hollow ibex]

post your rashad 🤔

it's easy to build wrong

[frail citrus]

not rashad

tac axe

rashad is goated

[hollow ibex]

oh taxe

[frail citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/cum-gif-20534148

this is me using rashad

[hollow ibex]

i only use mk4 taxe, and it's def not good on psyker

[austere mica]

Iiitttssss sooooo eeeeeepppyy

[austere mica]

Mk4 is the worst one

Can’t hit bromentum breakpoints on its light attacks

[frail citrus]

i like it for my wep spec builds

i pair it with recon lasgun

but i havent been using it lately

[austere mica]

That’s a, choice, for weapon spec

[frail citrus]

ive been back on my guardsman build

[frail citrus]

i get pretty good final DPS numbers usually with it

the rashad is also high damage too though

[iron marten]

Nice

[orchid hemlock]

Ew this is vet chat don't mention that class ever again 🤮

[frail citrus]

god forbid i quadruple dip

[austere mica]

All you’re getting is 20% attack speed and like 3 crits

[frail citrus]

vet on top tho, vet always been my day 1

i made 2 seperate vet characters because there was no personality scourge at the time

[frail citrus]

3 crits with 10 stacks of weapon specialist torren recon lasgun?

that doesnt sound like what i experience at all

[austere mica]

From weapon spec

Those other crits are natural

You get one crit which chains into 3 because crit chains

[hollow ibex]

yeah but light attack spam funni

[austere mica]

And 20% attack speed for 5 seconds

[frail citrus]

why are you hating so hard right now

cant somebody enjoy the recon lasgun

[austere mica]

No

Not a single person

[frail citrus]

it works very well for me

im sorry you got beef with it

for whatever reason

i think its fun

[austere mica]

Nobody on earth is allowed to have fun with that specific gun

[frail citrus]

"USE ONLY MY META!!!"

"YOU MUST USE DUELING SWORD PLASMA GUN HOBO BUILD AND IF YOU DONT UR SHIIIIIIT"

"ULL NEVER SOLO LIKE I CAN"

[austere mica]

Recon is meta smartass, and i’m being sarcastic

[frail citrus]

meta seems to entirely depend on who you ask sometimes

im using infantry lasgun rn

having a blast

[tame lodge]

Laser weapons are havoc meta

[austere mica]

I don’t like inflas, feels icky to use and not nearly strong enough to justify it

[tame lodge]

You know what's not meta
Combat shotguns, my beloved

[frail citrus]

no ammo spent on crit is a life saver, removes reduced ammo pickup count modifier from you

[tame lodge]

[hollow star]

duling with plasma op

[frail citrus]

i think with focus target they good

they fun, not really great and really bad with boss DPS

but i think its good for picking off low health enemies and farming VoC recharge

with aura buffs you are gaurenteeing gold toughness for most of the run

[frail citrus]

i really wish i could care about shotguns

they just seem slow, clunky, and inconvenient

[austere mica]

Double barrel

[frail citrus]

never gave it a chance tbh, ive seen a few people use it

but anytime i ever seen anyone bring it up in convo i always hear "its so garbage, so bad so bad" so

plus if i wanna kill stuff up close i just play zealot

[tame lodge]

No Respite gaming

Or Manstopper gaming

[dry cloak]

for zealot manstopper scattershot

db

[austere mica]

https://youtu.be/IhrV7dDOmqo?si=_nNGIauI5OJBR7lX

[austere mica]

That’s vet, zealot is both barrels Deathspitter

[frail citrus]

why do havoc 40 nerds always use hobo style

[austere mica]

Because it’s the peak of style

[frail citrus]

i cant possibly get behidn it

[austere mica]

And is completely free

[dry cloak]

really? masntopper scattershot most reliable shotgun combo

[austere mica]

It’s got more gambling than you want on zealot

If you’re not running right side piety it’s a 65% to crit

1/3 odds to kill 3 enemies instead of 20

[dry cloak]

fair enough

of vet im using manstopper bothbarrels

[austere mica]

Both barrels Deathspitter is better for the weapons niche on zealot, fucking deleting ragers

[dry cloak]

i can see that

[tame lodge]

The more homeless you look, the better you are

It's like an U

Where having drip and not having drip are equal to high skills

[frail citrus]

seeing hobo tells me you like this game for a diff reason than ido

u might be good

[supple laurel]

use only ds and plasma or youre bad!!!

[remote sonnet]

Skill should be the meta.

[frail citrus]

i think you can be fine with pretty much anything up to a certain point

it mostly comes down to understanding how to play the game

and hopefully teammates who might be able to pick up the slack where you might lack

[faint beacon]

Taxe propaganda cause its a good melee

[torn depot]

Beastmen cosmetics for Veteran

Play as an abhuman guardsman