veteran-class

[warm idol]

what does slannesh think of handholding between a married couple

a married guardsman and guardswoman are attacked by a keeper of secrets can they just hold their hands and proclaim their love for eachother to make the daemon go away?

[fading yarrow]

Your pfp's artstyle keeps making me think it's a chudjak and it's killing me, 10/10

[warm idol]

how does it remind you of that horrid abomination

it's just anime style agent k from bladerunner doing the spike spiegel bang

its literally me bro

ong

[thick bear]

The hive has fallen... billions must be purged

[tall torrent]

Sefoni + Krall narrators, ascension riser

The ENTIRE mission wouldn’t work with an arbites on the team cuz they’d be 100% against that

[tame lodge]

Well she's also the god of excess
So having a huge number of babies might receive her influence

[warm idol]

average inquisitor be like

[fading yarrow]

It's very tiny on my screen so all I can see is a narrow face, dark short hair and bushy eyebrows

[warm idol]

but what if all of them are dedicated to the emperor and become guardsmen

[tame lodge]

Perfection, excess, art

[thick bear]

True but that's excess that comes with a price, so it's a net loss

Raising 13 kids ain't cheap

[tame lodge]

Then you're making bank
Since lives are the emperor's currency

Therefore sex is prayer

(I did this joke 3 times already)

[warm idol]

try telling that to a sororitas

[thick bear]

So what you're saying is... Krieg got it right

[warm idol]

tfw rogue trader cockblocked me from argenta

[tall torrent]

Inquisition cannot “requisition” arbites in the same way they requisition everybody else, because they technically wield equal power and can at best “collaborate” on a case

But this obviously has many limitations

Just because an inquisitor is usually more powerful politically than an arbites doesn’t mean he can order the arbites around

[tame lodge]

TBF
They don't take chastity vows

They are just murdering everything heretical

No time to think about it

[warm idol]

eh it's a natural emotion

even some chapters like the wolves get the urge

but then again the wolves are an outlier

I do wonder tho, do sm's get chemically castrated or does the hypno indocrination just make them not think about it

[thick bear]

Krall is a part of the ships crew and works for Brahms and not Grendyl, not part of the Inquisitional retinue, so he has more free reign like Hallowette does to do sneaky things
Can't remember if Sefoni falls under the same

[warm idol]

I wonder what did big E mean by the fact that only men will recieve his seed

[tall torrent]

They’re still sneaking outside of inquisitorial duty to steal stuff

That’s almost definitely against the lex imperialis

[elder fiber]

Chapter serfs periodically service them

[thick bear]

Idk, what do you think it means

[warm idol]

that doesn't sound very canon

[topaz lance]

He was talking about his sexual preferences

[tame lodge]

Emperor kinda freaky

Like

12 sons

Damn

[warm idol]

I'm a chaplain, i'm an interrogator chaplain

[thick bear]

Rogue Traders have wiggle room with the Lex, and if it furthers the Imperium's goals, it's overlooked
Granted it's a stretch to say "that amasec I had Hallowette order on Space Amazon helps the war effort" but an Arbites who oversteps his boundaries is either gonna be very unpopular or will overstep the airlock boundary

[fading yarrow]

They're not castrated, but they are sterile (because the Emperor wanted to ensure that baseline mortals aren't genetically overtaken) and their sex drives are typically reduced

[warm idol]

this is the last thing a fallen sees before his death

[tall torrent]

The other part of the story issue is rejects

[thick bear]

"power fisting is 300 thrones"

[tall torrent]

Idk if player characters will still be treated as rejects in missions with new dlc

[fading yarrow]

Can we be real for a second

"Rejects will rise" hasn't mattered as a tagline in a year

[thick bear]

They're just tools to advance the goals of the warband

[warm idol]

I mean they did say they are overhauling the progression for new players

so having you like

rise from a reject

to a proper member of the warband

[tall torrent]

Yea I suspect they’ll drop the rejects moniker

[warm idol]

and have it be reflected in dialogue

would be good development

[thick bear]

That already happens though

[fading yarrow]

That's already a thing though

[thick bear]

Hivemind

[tall torrent]

Or at the very least stop reminding you that you’re nothing

[fading yarrow]

Great minds

[warm idol]

I guess I just don't pay attention enough to the dialogue

i'm ogryn minded

see heretics

kill heretics

[thick bear]

The guard operatives around the Mourningstar stop calling you trash and start kissing your ass when you reach higher trust

The in mission dialogue changes too

Like Zola opens up a bit

Hadron still thinks you're a brain dead chimp but that's because she's just grumpy

[warm idol]

also what are the chances of getting a skitarii

as the 6th class

[thick bear]

Morrow lets rejects backtalk to him too

[tall torrent]

If arbites sells well (which it most likely will)

[warm idol]

morrow is still the goat

WE ARE NOT A BRICK WALL WE ARE SKITARII

[tall torrent]

Although, a full on skitarii is very unlikely

Maybe a lexmechanic lol

[warm idol]

the one class hadron doesn't talk smack to

[thick bear]

Likely 0 if we're going off of lore since Skitarii are meant to be slaved to techpriests and only the alphas have crumbs of free will

[warm idol]

engiseer?

[fading yarrow]

The Arbitrator is going to sell like lho-sticks on a feudal world; FS harnessed the pure gamer instinct of "pet the dog"

[warm idol]

also all the judge dredd memes

[tall torrent]

There’s 1 enginseer on the ship already and he’s called KX-8

[warm idol]

imagine if playing as a skitarii all your dialogue is just hadron talking

[native ocean]

kayex is mourningstar's chief engineer and really forgetful due to being old

hilarious combination

[fading yarrow]

I love it when Kayex messes with Brahms just to keep calling people pre-servitors

[warm idol]

I love the pre servitor insult

[fading yarrow]

Totally just forgetful, wink wink nudge nudge

[thick bear]

I also don't see Ratlings ever being playable since that'd require redoing every single melee attack animation

Just to apply to them

[fading yarrow]

He honestly may not even be using it as an insult but a compliment, since he treats servo-skulls and other machine spirits as children

[tall torrent]

If any mechanicus related archetype is to be released

It’s probably when hadron’s technoarcheologist title starts to mean anything to DT story

[thick bear]

I could maybe see an Enginseer following Crimson Exemplar or a xenoist

[fading yarrow]

Xenologist

[warm idol]

I just want mechanicus drip and wargear tbf

[thick bear]

Secutor with spider legs would make my nuts explode

[warm idol]

like im mostly motivated by shiny new outfits and killy things

[thick bear]

I'd also say Electropriest but I guess Smiteker already has that down

[warm idol]

like a true techpriest

or an ork

[tall torrent]

Or when magos kharib does anything other than poisoning the phage tree

[thick bear]

A blood axe ork would be fun, but that'd doom the hive

[warm idol]

if you bring orks to fight something you now have 2 problems

the initial problem

and orks

[fading yarrow]

Has Kharib even gotten voicelines?

[thick bear]

Already fighting Admonition and maybe Genestealers in the secret hive, and now your dead orks are releasing spores

[warm idol]

man genestealer would be a sick enemy but like

proper genestealers would make mince meat of us

[thick bear]

If it's GSC it'd be doable

[warm idol]

yeah but the moment the patriarch or pure strains show up its joever

or not

considering the amount of heretics we kill on higher difficulties all by ourselves

[thick bear]

Fatshark give me GSC as an enemy faction and my life is yours

[warm idol]

nah we'd win

[tall torrent]

Yes
In mortis trial memory fragments

His only appearance is telling Rannick and Zola that he recommends exterminatus to atoma prime

[warm idol]

doesnt he also call em pre servitors too?

[fading yarrow]

Oh yeah, forgot

[tall torrent]

Kharib seems to be the most theologically dogmatic one out of the 3 tech priests in the game

[warm idol]

considering the state of the hive and the corruption

I cant exactly blame him

but exterminatus is always there as a last resort

[thick bear]

1st through 3rd brood cycle would be fine, have the Purestrains as monstrosities

[tall torrent]

There is a 4th magos but he’s a heretek magos biologis (mentioned by sefoni in meat grinder gossip, revealed in darktide tabletop game, not revealed in video game)

[warm idol]

a full blown nurgle cult isnt a shitstain you wipe off easily

[thick bear]

Nurgle Genestealers, yum

"The Cult Tenebrous finds itself becoming the infested, rather than the infesters, when their bulk lander is swallowed by a Warpstorm that strands them on the outskirts of Nurgle’s Garden. The cult discovers the true meaning of parasitism and horror. Eventually, the Grandfather of Plagues allows them to emerge into realspace once more, horrifically changed and ready to serve their new master’s sickly agendas."

[warm idol]

yeah im not dealing with that shit

send in the astartes

actually since its a hybrid between xenos and chaos

who is more fit for the job

deathwatch or grey knights

[thick bear]

Or bring back a real old classic

[tall torrent]

Deathwatch probably

They got necron weapons

Just atomize everything

[warm idol]

yeah it also helps that the average DW marine is prolly much more experienced that the average gk

[tall torrent]

DT’s corruption is not at a level of severity where it requires grey knights’ involvement

[warm idol]

by the virtue of the dw only taking in experienced marines

[thick bear]

Still waiting for this to come back, Fatshark, wink wink nudge nudge

[fading yarrow]

Deathwatch because you don't call the Grey Knights for such minor Warp manifestations

[pseudo fiber]

Does Atoma make still tanks?
Yes: Planet stays
No: Blow it up

[fading yarrow]

Not that simple

[warm idol]

what if it makes tanks but only for heretics

[fading yarrow]

Exterminatus is a last last resort, it's not just the industry that comes into play

[thick bear]

Does no one remember the Space Marine 1 intro? Lol

[warm idol]

STRATEGIC VALUE ABSOLUTE

but tbh it was also a forge world making TITANS

thats infinitely more valuable than tanks

considering how hard titans are to make

[thick bear]

Titans can't fill as many roles as a tank can though

[fading yarrow]

And how many were destroyed in the Heresy

[thick bear]

Otherwise they would've dropped a Titan on Vraks

[lusty ether]

Nope

and I played it, more or less on release

[warm idol]

and to say the cogboys would throw a hissy fit if you nuke a forgeworld is an understatement

[thick bear]

Trying to decide what to do about the ork invasion on Graia, 2nd or 3rd suggestion is exterminatus, denied because it's too important

[warm idol]

forge worlds are one of the last worlds you wanna exterminatus

[warm idol]

just how many orks were there that they managed to get boots on the ground on graia

mechanicus worlds are heavily defended

and the mechanicus got some of the best tech around

[fading yarrow]

Yes

There were genuinely cartoonish amounts of Orks

And Graia's troubles didn't end there lol

[warm idol]

oh yeah the funky chaos device

[fading yarrow]

It undergoes a Tzeentchian incursion in Boltgun

[warm idol]

good thing malum caedo was on the case

we sure that guy isnt one of the lost primarchs?

he sure finished the work titus started

with extreme prejudice

[main shard]

hey guys, in terms of ranged and melee weapons on vet - what are considered worth using in a havoc 40 situation? not that i'm there yet, but i'd like to prepare because it takes a while to grind up weapons. are there multiple options for me?

[tame lodge]

On havoc power sword 6 is your only option

At least on current havoc

Then guns are laser weapons

[main shard]

ohh i see, i do see some vids of people using the dueling sword though - is that better used on other classes then?

[tame lodge]

Plasma gun

[crude wind]

I don't use Power Sword on Havoc 40

i mean, it's good

[tame lodge]

Dueling Sword is usable

[crude wind]

Dueling Sword is the safest though

[tame lodge]

It's just that current havoc wants you to kill lots of targets really fast

[crude wind]

and the mIV being grotesquely overpowered

[tame lodge]

Power Sword kills lot of targets really fast

[main shard]

any laser weapons? or just the one you mentioned?

i've seen the recon lasgun used a bit, but unsure if that's insane or not in havoc

[tame lodge]

Any laser weapon
Recons are pretty good picks

Because at high havoc, ammo pickups are debuffed

So you use laser weapons with the Shock Trooper talent to keep a good ammo economy

Recons, infantry Lasgun, laser pistol

Helbore is the infinite ammo beast but the draw speed doesn't help

Then Plasma

[main shard]

thank you for that dude, i'll keep a note, got something to work towards now 😎

[tame lodge]

Then on a side note

Bolt Pistol

Because the lethal proximity blessing buffs your grenades as well

So you go full grenadier on havoc

[main shard]

yeahh i noticed everyone going grenedier for vet, does using the nades activate buffs n shit then for the team

or just do insane dmg

[elder fiber]

no tinkerer just makes shredder aoe + dmg comically large and 2 of them can clear a room of anything that isn't crushers or bosses, and demo stockpile means you can just get a full stock of grenades back because elites happened to die near in you in difficulties where they're fucking everywhere and you got a bit lucky

[slow spade]

lol not even buffed with Tactical Awareness or Hammer of the Emperor too

that's one funny gun :p

man and I thought my shotgun Operator was wacky

[sharp epoch]

relying on uncanny nades is weak

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-orange-cat-orange-cats-cat-weird-gif-17010424884748616697

[topaz lance]

I bet you use VoC

[elder fiber]

Using something in a video game

[floral flicker]

guys im addicted to the knife now. the zoom is so good

why did i avoid this weapon for so long

[tame lodge]

Because you had bleed blessings

Raaaaah

[hollow ibex]

So he’s a chad

[floral flicker]

couldnt be me ruunning 6 miles ahead because i have a sharp piece of metal and dying to a trapper

[tame lodge]

Next DT weapon is a scissors

But you're unable to run with it

[nimble wadi]

Does deadshot with a bolter make any real difference

[hollow ibex]

Not really

Crit bolter is really only used on VOC builds and even then deadshot isn’t super helpful

[tame meadow]

Hey guys what is dump stat for bolt pistol pls ?

[tame lodge]

It's collateral isn't it?

Or mobility

[hollow ibex]

Collateral yah

[tame meadow]

ok so Collateral ?

[lucid crest]

✅

[vague iris]

evening vet chads, what is the general agreed upon dump stat for the helbore? I've seen stability, ammo, and big dom has a gameslantern build that lists charge rate. I'm running a crit build that uses the mk1 (now called the mk3a i think?) as opposed to the more common mk2/mk5

[tame lodge]

Stability

Then ammo because helbores have neutral/positive ammo economy

[unreal nova]

Either is fine, but Collateral simply just doesn't do anything for it. The diff won't hit any new stagger breakpoints.

[manic cloak]

Hey, can anyone tell me why Veteran isn't Havoc 40 viable at all? After 1,000 hours, mostly with dueling sword and plasma gun, I just can't seem to get past Havoc 15. Everyone tells me I should just switch to Ogryn. Thoughts/feedback?

[austere mica]

This is a skill issue, or your build is terrible

[unreal nova]

If you can't do H15, why do you think you can do H40? 15 is weaker than Auric Mael generally.

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/fishing-video-game-fishing-minigame-stellar-blade-eve-gif-144658803614256506

[austere mica]

15 is heresy base difficulty

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/easter-doe-eating-deer-eating-popcorn-funny-gif-4621167703268332056

[loud belfry]

if this isnt bait it's so funny how you said "i use plasma gun and duelling sword, why isnt this working"

[manic cloak]

Is there a way for me to get more carapace penetration on DS4? I'm finding the damage isn't great. It was WAYYY better on Psyker.

[hollow ibex]

Ogryn is just much easier to play

[manic cloak]

I really prefer the dynamic gameplay and engagement of Mortis Trials, but really want the orange penance titles.

[austere mica]

You should send your build

[loud belfry]

and havoc 15?? damn your teammates better all be wiping first

[manic cloak]

I find the Bully Club moveset really complex and the tree is confusing.

[gilded wraith]

If I take one of the stamina regen delay nodes, does stamina regeneration become a better option than sprint efficiency on my curio?

[hollow ibex]

Use basher, it’s literally just lmb spam

Then steal a build from ogrynomicon. Easy.

[manic cloak]

I was told you special spam for max bleed stacks?

[narrow frost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg9NooSsEzU

this is the playstyle

[hollow ibex]

You don’t need to. Light spam works just fine

[narrow frost]

for club

[loud belfry]

is it just me or is the slap probably more viable than tac axe

[manic cloak]

I find it hard to stop taking damage without gold toughness all the time. Is there a way to increas my uptime?

[iron marten]

+400% melee damage on ogryn is no joke

[hollow ibex]

Well Taxe is a human weapon so naturally it’s worse

[unreal nova]

Kill specialists.

[loud belfry]

kinda fucked up that slapping people is somehow better than a fucking axe. tac axe is so fun too so it's fucked up

[hollow ibex]

You should focus on improving your own game tbh

[manic cloak]

I do that with something like the shredder autopistol, right? I don't feel like Plasma has enough cleave.

[hollow ibex]

Situational awareness, positioning, and melee

[iron marten]

I prefer knife tbh. Running around with helbore and knife and doing okay damage compared to the rest of the team will never not be funny

[hollow ibex]

If you skip the fundamentals, even playing ogryn won’t save you

[loud belfry]

i dont think you're ready for havoc 15-20+. should probably keep trying at auric maelstrom until you can do entire games without going down, at least

[manic cloak]

I normally warmup with a couple minutes of helldivers to get the blood flowing before jumping right in Havoc 40 partyfinder.

[hollow ibex]

Plasma is the highest cleave gun in the game

[loud belfry]

you gotta be joking

[manic cloak]

Mortis Trials isn't the preferred mode to improve?

[narrow frost]

flamer smh

(I know what you meant)

[austere mica]

Oh so it is bait

Cool

[loud belfry]

mortis trials is probably okay for improving on some fundamental stuff but it's sooo easy that it isnt too representative. also you get really strong due to the mortis buffs

[hollow ibex]

Mortis is for penance grinding

[unreal nova]

Unless you solo damnation...

And you get Trapper, dog and mutie 3/6/9.

[loud belfry]

true. just gotta bring a weapon that can reasonably deal with the damn demonic infestation nodes

because you'll find it very difficult, or at least i did, meleeing the nodes with so many enemies trying to slow you down

[manic cloak]

Then why can't I get True Survivor in Mortis Trials if it's for penances?

[loud belfry]

vynth is doing a comedy routine on us

[hollow ibex]

Try harder and you might

[manic cloak]

I think there's too many waves and too many bosses.

[loud belfry]

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/sua-yoohyeon-staring-looking-stalking-gif-25770496

[iron marten]

wth, Jufuutei Raden from Hololive

[hollow ibex]

Nice looking pair of ogryns

[manic cloak]

For build, I normally run Smokes, Stealth, and Markman's Focus (I like crouching to hide like in Skyrim) for RP purposes. Anything I should switch to?

[iron marten]

Stealth Archer build

[loud belfry]

would 100% without a doubt be the prettiest ogryns ever by like 4x

[iron marten]

I never thought I'd see this in dt....

[quiet valley]

Just swap to Ogryn, Vet just isn't viable on Havoc 40 atm, just pick a better class. Me, an elite karker with 2k levels on vet has never been able to clear Havoc 40 so its clearly just not possible

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-metal-gear-solid-gif-14187145046150119880

[sharp epoch]

so ogryn is a lot easier to play and therefore easier to get to h40 with, vet can still win h40s but you need to be good

[austere mica]

Pretty sure they were baiting

[sharp epoch]

nah its a skill issue

[austere mica]

Scroll down further

They called plasma cleave bad

[hollow ibex]

Yah it’s on me for responding, thinking that he was just a newb who genuine needed help

[narrow frost]

smh

[unreal nova]

It's not Inf. Heh.

[narrow frost]

fell for the bait

[loud belfry]

should've just believed in the stellar blade fishing gif

[hollow ibex]

I suspected it but in case he actually needed help, I decided to refrain from trolling immediately

[sharp epoch]

if its bait its bad bait it makes him look bad 🤷‍♂️

[remote marlin]

It's bait lol. I was in the VC with them, bumner, and Ainz. They were trying to make it bait and giggling like schoolgirls. "Just a prank bro."

Don't worry about it.

[loud belfry]

just a little fun

[iron marten]

entertainment on dead hours

Why not

[austere mica]

It was pretty good bait tbh

Was pretty sure about it because of the in call thing but the plasma comment was actual verifiable proof

[elder vessel]

Ogryn Bow

[hollow ibex]

Next time I’ll be much less inclined to help someone in actual need.

[iron marten]

Dark Souls Dragonslayer Bow

[remote marlin]

Cool. : D

[hollow ibex]

Typical L for giving people the benefit of the doubt on the internet

[remote marlin]

Yeah, unfortunately not everyone on the internet is a decent person. lol

[lucid crest]

what kind of person would just go onto the internet and LIE!??!

[charred pulsar]

Rashad special move have any purpose? or is it only used for style points?

[narrow frost]

style

[inland orchid]

how i feel krak nading skull totems

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-rage-bait-aizen-anime-rage-baiting-gif-16854649340389048028

[narrow frost]

minor bit of trolling

I was not a part of

[remote marlin]

press x to doubt

[hybrid dome]

I’m new to the game, is bolt gun and power sword any good?

[sharp epoch]

yes but theyre kinda clunky together

since were not space marines

[lost frigate]

power sword slash devastating but slow your movement down

[hollow ibex]

Power sword is the best vet melee. Bolter is one of the best vet guns. So yeah

[lost frigate]

u need to be careful about space and not getting surround but it is perfect weapon if you have your teammate to attract aggro from enemy

bolter is powerful but have swap delay time and ammo reserve isn't that big so u need little bit of ammo management

[hybrid dome]

So do I wanna stand in the back and use my bolter or only use the bolter on elites?

[sharp epoch]

basically every ranged weapon is only for elites/specials unless youre styling

actually infantry las and auto are efficient enough for ranged non elites

[lost frigate]

if the horde is overwhelming your team, you can go happy trigger, bolter really good at mow down the horde, even the crusher horde, but if the horde is still manageable u might want to depend on melee weapon

but if your team isn't ammo hunger just fire at will as u can pick ammo drop often

[cloud thunder]

Sort of returning after a few months

How different is the new havoc 40 compared to last h40

[sharp epoch]

pretty hard

like 1.5x harder

[cloud thunder]

So not too bad

Thanks

[sharp epoch]

its different

instead of the gunner meta its boss spam

[cloud thunder]

I always felt old one was too easy so if this the case, just basically different modifiers with more bosses right?

Gotcha

[faint beacon]

Fell for the ragebait

[cloud thunder]

No one fell for any rage bait

[narrow frost]

did discord load you up

did you see vynth

#veteran-class message

[faint beacon]

Yeah I saw that lmao

[narrow frost]

the best line was "I normally warmup with a couple minutes of helldivers to get the blood flowing before jumping right in Havoc 40 partyfinder."

[faint beacon]

Nothing like Diff 1 HD2 to get the blood pumped for H40

[narrow frost]

so real

[cloud thunder]

Scaling the same still?

Like 20-25 is like damnation? Etc

[atomic void]

it is the same but new 30 is as hard as old 40

[cloud thunder]

We’ll see about that

I wanted them to make havoc 40 harder so that sounds good then

[elder vessel]

Completed the Cassia romance

Massive W

[golden bluff]

Anyone have a link to one of them goofy rapid fire crit burn lasgun builds

[elder vessel]

I don't recommend recon lasgun build you will bore yourself

[void dragon]

specially since you cant really "spice it up" with a melee weapon because almost all vet's melee options are garbo

[junior grail]

Chainaxe?

[tame lodge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer

[golden bluff]

Cheers, thank you rare helpful soul

[elder vessel]

W of the Gods

[fading yarrow]

Men want one thing

And it's to hug their gf in a quiet battlebarge

[balmy flume]

Sadly I have neither

[leaden skiff]

Plasma not as good as it was a year ago? Felt fuggin weak on a Damn run of all things

[elder vessel]

You need the power of love to make your plasma work

[fading yarrow]

It really does feel weak but nah, it's still good

Just keep your aim on heads

[leaden skiff]

Used to headshots on armor dropping them in fewer than 5 shots was a bit weird. Aim might be off but not by that much

[hollow ibex]

it's still one of the meta weapons on vet

[faint beacon]

its because Veteran actually has to aim

[leaden skiff]

Usually not worried about meta, just pullin my weight on runs 😂

[faint beacon]

Psyker can wiggle their mouse and drop everything

so it feels like you're not doing much

[hollow ibex]

i mention it's meta, because the weapon is still really strong

[lost frigate]

vet feel more like support class with extra unique gun now

[hollow ibex]

what is my purpose?

you dispense ammo and golden toughness

[leaden skiff]

You press F

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/rickandmorty-omg-oh-my-god-gif-3557664

[lost frigate]

it still great but not as fancy as other class now

[austere mica]

Kill every special, and shit ammo and golden toughness

[hollow ibex]

tbh any semi-alert player can wreck specialists

[lost frigate]

5 percent grenade for killing elite is so god send for other class

[hollow ibex]

it's just that vet can be 0.0005 seconds faster

[lost frigate]

let the ogryn spam his frag

[hollow ibex]

it doesn't work on other classes...

it's just for the vet itself

[austere mica]

If it worked for other classes it would be a mandatory pick

Because it would enable frag and box spam

[hollow ibex]

it'd be kinda insane tbh

[austere mica]

Not tbh

Just insane

You would have mortis levels of nuke uptime

[hollow ibex]

vet gets buffed

makes ogryn even more op

[faint beacon]

Typical Ogryn Activities

Not All Ogryns

just always an ogryn

LMAO

[austere mica]

Damn we got some fucking creatures recently

[faint beacon]

loaded into a match with 3 Ogryns all running Rumbler

I'd rather not play Darktide Spectator mode

[narrow frost]

I've only been doing duos or havoc recently

Auric is a terrible place rn

[faint beacon]

Im somehow mentally putting up with it

Just pulling Dorns trick of "Is it X thing that genuinely turns the game off? If yes: DC"

[austere mica]

I’m fucking around with the gross ass rumbler build in sub-damn cause a friend got the game and holy shit what the fuck

[faint beacon]

But its fair and balanced

Ogryn players said so!

[austere mica]

Got a triple lucky bullet proc on an uprising cspawn

Blinked

And it was gone

[faint beacon]

everything is dead

including the mixed horde

cause le hitmass ignore has arrived

[austere mica]

It’s very hydrogen bomb versus coughing baby in low diff it’s so funny

[faint beacon]

in Auric Damn it straight up turns the game off

I seriously feel like I could pull up a bedsheet

and just sleep

thats how hard carried you get

[hollow ibex]

this happens all the fucking time too

BLO is always proccing

[faint beacon]

and its why I immediately DC the moment I see 2 or more rumblers

1 I might put up with

but if its 2

no

im not playing

[austere mica]

I need to try it in audamn to see how fucked up it is

[faint beacon]

Hordes?

what hordes?

You trivialize the game especially if youre running back off

[austere mica]

It’s like weapon spec if you had a radial AOE instead of a cone and dot propagation

[faint beacon]

Literally

just get a few melee kills

delete horde

repeat

[austere mica]

I thought back off would be a silly weapon spec emulator

[faint beacon]

game instantly becomes snore fest

[austere mica]

Not a meta defining game breaker

[faint beacon]

Back Off, is respectable on Kickback but still very ludicrously strong

rumbler it just

turns the game off

[austere mica]

I have changed my mind on vet getting a gl

They shouldn’t

[faint beacon]

Idk this shit has made me just realize

Human weapons need buffs

a lot of the marks need changes

[austere mica]

Because they can spam it even harder

[faint beacon]

That or Zealot and Veteran need a rework

one or the other

but I feel like a weapon tune up can bandage fix both till reworks happen

[faint beacon]

Doesn't help how Heavy Hitter just gives insane levels of damage as well so you can straight up run joke builds and it just

works

extremely well

[austere mica]

Ogryn update: the biggest power creep instance since patch 13

[faint beacon]

Oh absolutely

what sucks is yes the class needed a rework

but a lot of it is very much overtuned

[austere mica]

Too much of a good thing

[tall torrent]

no, both

[faint beacon]

Guess who just had to do 3 lengthy clutches in a row only to immediately get wiped by a silent burster

me, cause the bot got replaced by a clueless Zealot

Aurics are actual fucking hell

its less the enemies its more your team at this point

[balmy flume]

wait until you try Havoc

[faint beacon]

I've played Havoc

I know

I dont touch Public Havoc for a reason

[balmy flume]

Mid Spawn Aurics can also be difficult TBH

You basically need to he ready to be dropped in the middle

Of any situation.

I spawned near a Chaos Spawn chasing a psyker once

Immediately just shouted and mag dumped me boltgun.

[magic aurora]

Yeah ive been playing exe stance a bunch lately and have clutched up with it multiple times but most of my late joins end in quick disaster

[grand perch]

that sounds like an NA issue

eu isnt so bad

[faint beacon]

Yeah

another match of

clutches into a wipe

im done with DT for tonight

Im genuinely convinced NA is filled with some of the worst DT players out there

[robust hare]

Can anyone help with the On Overwatch penance

[sharp epoch]

na has the bestest and worstest

[loud belfry]

im both

[grizzled pebble]

Rumbler ogryns are not that good in havoc I find. They use too much ammo and they are really bad. A normal melee ogryn can still do insane damage but with heavy stubber to snipe specials and the immense cc from taunt/charge.

Rumbler ogryn is tbf OP against sudden 20 bulwarks spam.

[grand perch]

being bipolar sucks, i love it

[golden bluff]

I had a bunch of queues earlier in the night with the rest my team getting absolutely butchered on regular intensity damnation

Last like 6 games all went smoothly though, just pilin' up the skulls

[abstract sand]

tru that

[native ocean]

They're really chatty compared to eu folks. Like, stop to chat shit as a chaos spawn homes in on them chatty

[elder fiber]

it also gives comical amts of attack speed and impact

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/mimimimimi-cat-sleeping-snoring-cat-sleeping-cat-drooling-cat-gif-23979759

Me when mk3b bully club light spam

Wont be any near surprised seeing Heavy hitter be toned down with crazily strong it is in which I admit as very often I use

[tame lodge]

Top 3 vet ranged

Hell it's even stronger now because it has a heat based strength blessing

[zenith sandal]

One Vet penance left then my service can finally end

[crimson lotus]

damn im just back after like 2 months and every havoc game im told to pick smoke what happened to this troll blitz

[tame lodge]

Nothing

[crimson lotus]

fr ? I remember months ago ppl would call me troll for picking it in auric games

[sonic kayak]

Havoc made people realize it's not bad

But honestly, except for very few situations like a 20 gunner line in the Torrent Assassination mission, it's not really worth bringing

[pseudo fiber]

You throw it at rodin and the smoke makes him stupid

[sonic kayak]

Smoke forces ranged enemies into melee if they have a melee "weapon" like the Captain, but Rodin only has a gun so that just literally turns him off

[fallow escarp]

I've never heard of people hating it thats news to me

i like popping it and my executioner ult and just popping them with kantreal lasgun

[sonic kayak]

For enemies like Gunners and Reapers, they'll reposition if you throw it at them, or they fire blindly if it's at yourself; Dogs don't pounce and only circle around as well

Melee enemies still want your tasty flesh

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/they-are-functioning-idiots-adrian-boseman-the-good-fight-theyre-stupid-theyre-dumb-gif-21890523

The last smoke buff was like middle of the last year

They haven't been touched since

[grand perch]

yeah why are they asking for smoke when the best nades are clearly kraks

kills a crusher stone dead what more do you want

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/nicolas-cage-dazed-unbearable-weight-massive-talent-pedro-pascal-gif-15280745598034380181

We should be able to glue Kraks together

Make it the anti tank grenade

[grand perch]

i recognize that background from BFV

[heavy rover]

Personally I prefer running shredders because I typically run Ghost on an infantry las. I go out of my way to aggro all the ranged enemies, and as long as I hit my headshots, I'll be fine

[fading yarrow]

[steep flower]

Maybe someday they gonna make kraks default number of 3 instead of 2

[zenith sandal]

Decided to wrap up remaining penances in the assumption a new class means a new set of class penances which means new stuff in the penance reward pass

[steep flower]

They gonna need to make a new ‚class’ section on discord when Arbiter arrives

[zenith sandal]

Need like 6 more krak kills and I’ll have every penance I can get that isn’t just playtime and a handful of havoc ones

I’m stubbornly avoiding havoc since last I got into the game I got about half of them and got burnt out with how annoying it is to do almost every havoc penance

[unreal nova]

Just throw lethal prox krak into a random scab horde.

[zenith sandal]

Just 6 to do tbf I’ll just jump into a scab mission and get it naturally I imagine

[unreal nova]

Just literally throw krak into horde of scabs.

[normal bay]

Lethal prox works on kraks too?

[unreal nova]

Yes. Is not good though. Except for that penance.

You go from not hitting the dog to hitting the dog slightly if you throw a krak at the eagle infront of it.

[normal bay]

[unreal nova]

I got bored and tested every 'nade one night lul.

Smoke and Zel 'nades don't change.

[glad temple]

Best shovel variant?

And what blessings?

[unreal nova]

Mk 1.

3 is niche memes 1 shot crushers.

7 is just those two but worse.

Mk 1 is horde cc+bulli ragers with special.

[crisp oak]

Mk7 and mk3 both oneshot crushers....

Ironically I think mk3 is worse than the mk7

But I also just spam heavies into hordes

[neon current]

if you can consistently headshot with the 7, it beats 3

3 is just easier to use

7 heavy spam beats 3 mixed hordeclear pretty handily

as well as takes advantage of thrust outside of folding

it sucks vs bulwarks hard tho because of the angle lel

[crisp oak]

Bulwarks are specials at the crown which goes around their shield

[neon current]

what what now?

[crisp oak]

If you aim at the top of the head you can bonk bulwarks through the shield

[neon current]

hmm

no I can't

[crisp oak]

Its a tight angle

[neon current]

think I have 50% height tho

[crisp oak]

Mighr be height diff

[neon current]

yea height helps on ogryn

[crisp oak]

Its trivial with ogryns

But ive definitely done it

[neon current]

I cant replicate it, and I'm in the psyk atm

[crisp oak]

Tbh though with bulwarks you just shredder to stagger them

[neon current]

ya

all I'm saying is, landing a headshot by waiting for the opening wiht 7 is really really hard

cuz of the angle

but you just gonna shredder em most of the time anyhow

so it's not that big of a deal

[crisp oak]

Yup

Anyway mk7s issue is hitmass in havoks

Which is an issue with all of the shovels

[neon current]

after all said and done, if I am to shovel in havoc, it's gonna be the OG one

light spam decimator

[glad temple]

Yo guys what blessings for braced autogun?

[crisp oak]

Mk3 light spam works too

[crisp oak]

I like run n gun and I think deathspitter

Either way optimal ones are in the guide in the pins

[neon current]

yea but I ain't ever giving up skullcrusher

and without thrust, why bother using folding

[crisp oak]

I run thrust uncanny

On my mk7

[neon current]

eew

[crisp oak]

But mk3 is the same

[neon current]

oh right

I meant uncanny

[crisp oak]

And without thrust you dont get the funny

[glad temple]

Oh k thank you

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[glad temple]

I really need to check pins in every channel

[crisp oak]

Vet, oggy, and psyker are the main ones

[neon current]

especially on this one lel

that guide is the most minmaxed out of em

[hollow ibex]

zealot has a guide in the pins too

[crisp oak]

They do now?

[hollow ibex]

simpler but covers the essentials

[crisp oak]

Did dorn finish it

[hollow ibex]

this one is an ainz special i think

[crisp oak]

Oh twins special

[pseudo fiber]

I think he gave up

[crisp oak]

Fair

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh
Got banned before he could finish

The Lumi tried

Got banned

[glad temple]

Magnus did the research

[tame lodge]

And now people banded together for the zealot guide

So far no bans

[glad temple]

Yo what did he get banmed for

[crisp oak]

Yeah but it was still never published

[crisp oak]

Witch hunting I think

[tame lodge]

D*rn?
Witch hunting

[glad temple]

Oh I like reading about Drama

What was that shitshow about?

[hollow ibex]

needs to be fixed

[crisp oak]

Wasnt there

[grand perch]

somebody mention furry femboys in zealot chat, that oughta do the trick

[crisp oak]

No more slowmode please

[pseudo fiber]

Who's gonna write the Arbites guide

Not you path.

You got enough on your plate.

[grand perch]

@faint beacon should do it

for no particular reason

[unreal nova]

If he does, do we bet I'm 6 feet under before release?

[faint beacon]

Im getting help if thats so, and thats if I end up becoming an Arbitrator main

[tame lodge]

Path adding another 240 years delay to all the guides he's involved

[grand perch]

at best youre becoming an Arby's main

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/he-is-red-gif-16256913203749620283

[tame lodge]

Arby's, we got the heretics

[faint beacon]

Guide name is pathetically easy im just saying "Judge, Jury, and Executioner"

[pseudo fiber]

Hey I'm down

[crisp oak]

Honestly still hoping for skiitari/mechboy next

I want and omnissiahs axe

[grand perch]

"Don't Dredd the reaper"

[faint beacon]

I refuse to make Judge Dredd jokes

[crisp oak]

I am the dog

[faint beacon]

as cool as he is

I refuse too

[crisp oak]

Ill take zeego for royalties

[grand perch]

in an effort to avoid Dredd references, my arbites will be named "ArBiteMyEs"

[crisp oak]

Mine will be Attn-Citizen

[faint beacon]

Unless I make mine a genuine character I already have an idea that im naming mine

"20-Words-Or-Less"

[crisp oak]

Yup

[faint beacon]

if you dont know the reference I am so sorry

[pseudo fiber]

I wanna make a dredd joke but I'm stronger

[faint beacon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhduvvA_Xpo&t=52s

[pseudo fiber]

Multiple third parties

[grand perch]

thats it im joining chaos

[faint beacon]

ATTENTION HERETIC

[crisp oak]

Dod somebody say

[faint beacon]

ONE OR MORE-

[crisp oak]

Chaos

[crisp oak]

Isnt it attention citizen

[faint beacon]

No he changes it to heretic once he declares loyalty to Chaos before getting beamed

lmao

[crisp oak]

Also bonus joke name: indy was the dogs name

Could also call oneself what da dog doing

[normal bay]

Heretics aren't citizens

[grand perch]

hes adressed as heretic at the end after he joins chaos

protocol: adhered to

[faint beacon]

If nobody got me, I know No1 Tac Axe Enjoyer got me

[pseudo fiber]

I'm gonna have Arbitrator John Doe and if you can name the dog Officer Cui

[faint beacon]

can I get an amen

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-chosen-jesus-point-look-up-smiling-gif-1939873255476969076

[faint beacon]

Anyways if I actually end up throwing together a guide it probably wouldn't happen for a month or two seeing I'd have to get a feel for the class

and figure out what is incredibly stupid about the talents

[pseudo fiber]

And it'd probably be in Google doc form initially

[faint beacon]

GOOGLE DOCKEY

In other news

genuinely convinced when the chat channel drops its gonna last for like

1 hour before a ban wave happens

calling it

[dry cloak]

what ban wave?

for what?

[faint beacon]

Unhingedness

Que Veteran and Ogryn Chat on release

[dry cloak]

i don know

i from mont before gloriana

idk how it was on realease here

gotta take your word for it

[crisp oak]

Slurs

[faint beacon]

think of like Zealot chat, but even worse and easily 1000x more racist

[crisp oak]

Many

[faint beacon]

and slurs

[crisp oak]

Slurs

[faint beacon]

a lot of them

[crisp oak]

Much horny

Much racism

Much slurs

[dry cloak]

hopefully were more civilized

[crisp oak]

Well zealot chat did get slowmoded for the horny

And mods are constantly banning people a large percentage with spesh marine pfp

[dry cloak]

that theyre job

to keep peace

i think a week of slowmode for arbites chat is a good idea

[faint beacon]

I think if its bad, they'll probably slow mode the channel and ban the people who are really causing issues

[crisp oak]

Month

No image perms

Easy

[uncut pebble]

Evil.

[crisp oak]

You know it will become necessary

All of the police brutality image spam

All of the police copypastas

[dry cloak]

i think i will just lurk there until thing calm down

oj just get advice on oggy chat

[crisp oak]

Yeah Ill just play the damned game

Though gotta finish my rogue trader run first

[dry cloak]

it will be nice to figure out that calss on my own

[unreal nova]

This is a US thing. Here, cops are more useless than anything.

[crisp oak]

The spammers will not just be US

[uncut pebble]

Rogue trader is so fun until I remember I have to replay the shitty prologue every fucking time.

[dry cloak]

iirc most people here ar EU

[crisp oak]

Use toybox to yeet it

[unreal nova]

Keep a save after.

[crisp oak]

Cant make arbites if already done prologue

[uncut pebble]

^^^

[crisp oak]

Double shotguns

[uncut pebble]

Origin is locked in and I'm not using toybox except to add all the psyker schools to one person because haha funny.

[unreal nova]

Oh.

[crisp oak]

NGL Im probably going to toybox the first couple of fights in the prologue

Because I dont need to fight the damned spawn again

[uncut pebble]

I only use toybox for the aurora fight because it is dumb and too hard.

Like, for the spot in the game it's in, I mean.

[faint beacon]

Oh fuck I forgot Grief comes out today for Zombies

[crisp oak]

Like the sm one?

Or the times mission

[faint beacon]

Issue is I’m working all day

[uncut pebble]

Yeah the astartes aurora.

[crisp oak]

Ah

Fuck that sniper

[uncut pebble]

Hes WAY overtuned for that stage of the game.

[crisp oak]

Aurora is fine but that sniper

[uncut pebble]

Nah the sniper is fine.

[crisp oak]

At the back of the map that takes 3 turns to get to

[uncut pebble]

Aurora lines up 4 of your people and kills at least 2 of them every time.

Turn 1.

[crisp oak]

You can position yourself so he cant hit everyone

[uncut pebble]

You can't but ok.

There isn't enough line of sight separation or space in that area to do that.

[crisp oak]

You can literally surround him

[uncut pebble]

You don't have enough bodies for that.

[crisp oak]

And then just deal with his melee

[uncut pebble]

6 people means he will just kick one of the people that is covering his side and move through that spot.

[crisp oak]

You only need 4, but that is fair

[uncut pebble]

Like, trust me, I've tried, it's an extremely rng dependent fight.

[crisp oak]

Oh definitely

Especially on unfair

Without kibellah

[uncut pebble]

So, yeah, turn 1, 2 people go down, very unbalanced fight.

[crisp oak]

Uralon is worse for that though

[uncut pebble]

The only way to prevent this is to pray to rnjesus and hope he misses a lot.

[crisp oak]

Uralons job is to make psykers quit

[uncut pebble]

Nah, by the time you get to him, your party is pretty stacked on levels.

You can manage Uralon just fine.

[crisp oak]

Yeah but he is grand strategist

Beats cassia

[uncut pebble]

Ok? And?

[crisp oak]

And gives extra turns to marines whenever you use a psychic power

[uncut pebble]

Then... don't use them..?

[crisp oak]

Hes just.... annoying

[crisp oak]

He also gives turns to all marines at the start

[uncut pebble]

Dude, Argenta, Abelard, and Kibellah are right there.

[tame lodge]

Uralon isn't even the problem

[crisp oak]

No its the damned flamer marine

[tame lodge]

Fuck the Word Bearer with the bolter

[crisp oak]

That gets 50 turns

[uncut pebble]

You have tank, tank, and dodge monster, all right there.

[crisp oak]

Yeah issue is its still rng

[uncut pebble]

If you prepare correctly you should have zero problems with any fight past astartes aurora throughout the game.

[crisp oak]

I can think of uralon and drug emperor

And sire if he glitched (he softlocked me)

Genestealer patriarch that's damage immunity didnt go away (it underflowed somehow)

[sonic kayak]

@tardy arrow

[crisp oak]

This looks like drown

With the transformer boots

[sonic kayak]

The pants are like a smidge of a shade off compared to the loyalist 6th jacket but it's doable

[tardy arrow]

yeah. this is why i like the 53rd pants most. the penance ones you've shown have armour on the BOOTS themselves, rather than just the shins. the 6th don't have armour at all, with maybe steel toes iirc on the boots at most. 53rd is simple, shin guards but the boots ain't dragging ya down

[sonic kayak]

Ahhh I getcha then

Basic boots with shin guards

[tardy arrow]

yeah! nice middle ground that looks comfortable enough and suits the look

if i had dt installed i'd show mine off lol

[crisp oak]

Bts you guys know there is a channel for showcasing that right?

[sonic kayak]

Yeah I get that, it's tasteful

[tardy arrow]

oh i'm just here bc it's where i was tagged. we not in the driptide chat?

ohh

vet chat

[sonic kayak]

RIP I'm about to be kidnapped by the Arbites

But yeah, I get you 100%

[tardy arrow]

nooo! my new friend

[crisp oak]

Yeah just wanted to make sure that it wasnt out of ignorance

[glad temple]

M7 shovel is dope

[sonic kayak]

All good, I actually forgot so thanks lol

[glad temple]

Braced autogun as well

[crisp oak]

True true

[glad temple]

It reminds me of my country's service rifle as well

[tardy arrow]

i like it. personally i'm a mk xiiig chainsword guy... although if they could balance duelling swords or FINALLY add power sword p2...

[sonic kayak]

I honestly just run the full sets most of the time, if I'm feeling really bored or I want to spice up my armor then I'll change to the penance/commissary pants

[crisp oak]

Mk7 is my preferred shovel

I run krieg

[glad temple]

Ye I thought about switching to chainsword too tbh

[crisp oak]

My issue with chainsword is I want to make crushers go away

Which mk7 does better than chainsword

[sonic kayak]

I run the Mk1 Shovel, because literally poking heretics' eyes out is great, plus the All or Nothing shenanigans

[crisp oak]

I also love the mk1 but see my crusher issue

[glad temple]

Mix matching camos is nice
I wear infil pants
Thought about wearing the grey camo top but idk why tf is it bloused in a black shirt
Would have looked better if it was just the grey camo and black vest

[tardy arrow]

power swords with relic blade heat activation mechanic... power sword's strong but i just can't fw it like i do with the relic blade. it's just boring and doesn't function in a fun way for me. even if the P2 was weaker than the OG power sword i'd still use it bc it wouldn't be skyrim combat

[glad temple]

Veteran has easily the best commissary and penance cosmetics imo

[crisp oak]

Id like a power axe

[sonic kayak]

Poke, push attack, push attack, and AoN is making each one stronger than the last

[glad temple]

Give me a power catachan knife

[crisp oak]

We have that

Wait power

[tardy arrow]

two-handed chainaxe 🤤

[crisp oak]

Catechans dont use power knives

Thats unsportsmanlike

[sonic kayak]

That's on the ocassion I use the shovel, not always on Vet

[glad temple]

https://tenor.com/view/cackles-star-wars-sheev-palpatine-gif-15366449

[tardy arrow]

or screw it, two-handed power axe i'd fw

[crisp oak]

Omnissiahs axe

[tardy arrow]

elgi bardiche moveset 🥵

[crisp oak]

I want it

[glad temple]

Honestly

I prefer chain weapons over power weapons

[crisp oak]

Sword and shield, brett shield moveset

[glad temple]

I like lots of blood

[tardy arrow]

i'll raise you one. duelling glaive. it's a catachan knife as a polearm.

[crisp oak]

Raise you even more

Power

Shovel

2handed

With elgi spear moveset

[tardy arrow]

stooop 🤤

[crisp oak]

Love the elgi spear

[glad temple]

I want that

[tardy arrow]

for me it depends, i like both

[crisp oak]

Issue with chain is sticking

[tardy arrow]

i prefer chainsword over power sword but i prefer relic blade over heavy eviscerator

[crisp oak]

Id just like a mastercraft sword

Or a lance

[tardy arrow]

power longsword for vet with bretonnian longsword moveset (OP)

[crisp oak]

That would be way to broken

[tardy arrow]

i know

😂

[crisp oak]

Brett sword is already overtuned

[tardy arrow]

although you COULD, say, take the relic blade. convert it to vet's level as a longsword (greatswords are... a bit much for a vet thematically. two-handeds would be longswords and smaller polearms more so) and make the relevant changes. reduce its effective range to account for the lesser reach, maybe reduce how long its heat mechanic is up bc some stuff like "shorter blade means smaller power field battery storage" or something. it could work.

don't give it the riposte though

that'd be NUTS in darktide

[crisp oak]

Relic blade is a longsword

[tardy arrow]

greatsword

[dry cloak]

if anything psykers sword is a longsword

with how it handles

[crisp oak]

They are the same length

[dry cloak]

i know it has greatsword in the name

[crisp oak]

Tbf thats how greatswords work in real life

Flailing with style to maintain distance

[magic aurora]

greatswords and longswords dont exist

they're just swords

fake categories

[crisp oak]

Longswords and greatswords are the same category of sword

To differentiate them from shortswords

Aka arming swords

[magic aurora]

yeah "the distinctions between greatsword and longsword don't exist" is a better way to put it

[lusty ether]

I mean...the distinctions between them do very obviously exist

but it's a vague spectrum

and not one they saw a point in defining, historically

[crisp oak]

Though greatswords in modern imagry are more associated with swords such as the zweihander are different in length and probably purpose than longswords

[magic aurora]

the swords themselves are difference but the categories are modern and very arbitrary

[crisp oak]

Its a time period thing though

[lusty ether]

greatswords are also a relatively uncommon thing in general

[magic aurora]

i wonder if they could even add a "true greatsword" like a montante lol

[crisp oak]

You got paid double as a landschneter

[magic aurora]

that's be funny

[crisp oak]

If you use the beeg sword

[dry cloak]

it would handle more like a polearm

[lusty ether]

was gonna say, basically the only guys I can think of who used them with any regularity were landsknecht

[magic aurora]

partly

[uncut pebble]

No.

[lusty ether]

and they were deliberately showy douchebaggery kinda guys

[magic aurora]

but also giant spinny moves

[uncut pebble]

Handle and blade length determine what is a short/long/greatsword.

[lusty ether]

ish

also blade width

distal taper and blade balance

etc etc etc

size of the actual user

[uncut pebble]

True.

[lusty ether]

if I'm 2m tall

[uncut pebble]

But that gets very semantic-y and I'm not going there.

[lusty ether]

my longsword is probably your greatsword

yet it's the same sword

[crisp oak]

Im argueing that the lingsword greatsword divide is semantics

[uncut pebble]

But it's not.

[lusty ether]

the hard divide is usage

you use them for different things

or, at least, intend to

[uncut pebble]

Blade and handle length isn't semantical at all.

[crisp oak]

But it varies based on user size

Meaning a longsword can be a greatsword

And vice versa

[lusty ether]

a greatsword is basically a polearm

[uncut pebble]

Doesn't change the type of the sword.

A longsword is a longsword, even if you're a 3ft tall child.

[lusty ether]

a longsword is a large-ish sidearm

[dry cloak]

add flamberg to dt

[uncut pebble]

Just being a 3ft tall child doesn't make a longsword magically graduate to being a greatsword.

It's still a longsword.

[crisp oak]

What is the cutoff between longsword and greatsword?

Is a claymore a greatsword or a longsword

[lusty ether]

isn't a claymore more accurately a basket hilted single hand sword?

basically

as with almost anything that has social context and humans involved

the rules are made up

the boundaries are lies

[crisp oak]

It means both the 2 handed sword from the wallace times and the basket sword of the later times

[lusty ether]

trying to fret too much about exact breakpoints is futile

[crisp oak]

Similar to how a navaja can either be a pocket knife or a 3 foot long shortsword

Depending on time period

[uncut pebble]

A claymore is a landmine.

:)

[crisp oak]

This is true

[uncut pebble]

See that's the funny part, because it's a knife only for legality purposes.

[crisp oak]

My point is that the difference between longsword and greatsword is more a historical one than an actual dimensions one

[uncut pebble]

If I take a rifle, and cut it down to a pistol length barrel, and then slap a suppressor on it long enough to bring it up to the original barrels length, is it an sbr or is it a pistol?

[crisp oak]

As longsword was late middle ages, while your greatswords are typically rennaisance era

[crisp oak]

According to the atf?

The grip

[uncut pebble]

The atf won't define that no matter how you spin it because then that means they can't arrest your neighbors, but we aren't getting into that.

Was just making a modern comparison to the navaja.

[crisp oak]

Ah

Issue is also navaja translates to just knife

[uncut pebble]

Anywho, yeah, length determines the long/great classification.

What is that cutoff? I'd imagine beyond 3ft of blade.

[crisp oak]

Honestly people say longsword ranging from basket hilted one handed swords all the way up to the zweihanders

so honestly no idea on the cutoff but I guess Ill say 4 feet

[sonic kayak]

I didn't see this earlier but

F-f-friend?

[uncut pebble]

Well, I say 3ft, because off the top of my head a messer's blade is 34in.

So, under 3ft, longsword, over 3ft, greatsword.

[sonic kayak]

What about a cleaner's blade?

[crisp oak]

Apparently average is 31-43

Hence my 4

Issue is also difference between longsword and hand and half armor sword where the difference is pommel

[nimble wadi]

OMG FROGCAST SMILED

WHAT IS THIS SORCERY

[slow spade]

clearly just a Tzeentch spy

[hollow ibex]

wtf is this

Zealot chat?

[dry cloak]

were just talking about swords

[slow spade]

there's not even a ferret here though how can it be Zealot chat?

[glad temple]

Isn't the current government's stance that everyone keeps their guns?

I swear y'all are fucking paranoid over your guns like idk what

[slow spade]

they literally won't let me make plasma guns

clearly we need less regulation

[uncut pebble]

I'm not getting further into it but I'll say this; they make owning one as hard as they legally can and constantly change their policies often to entrap law abiding citizens.

That part of your rifle you've had on it for years? Boom, now it's a felony, go straight to jail and you may never own a firearm again.

[hollow ibex]

Based

[clever hedge]

Guns or no guns politics can get you banned in chat lads. Don't want to see the hammer destroy y'all

[midnight dune]

is this weapon bugged? 61 and rest is 80%

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-bunny-cat-meme-tim-gif-5757637543570572724

[tame lodge]

Rounding moment

[hollow ibex]

Prob just rounding error

[midnight dune]

Ah, so one of the stats is 79?

or close

[gilded wraith]

You can even get a 62/80...

[midnight dune]

Okay. cool

Im kinda new to the combat blade, do you just spam light attacks against hordes?

[crisp oak]

Depends on mark

One of them has special light spam I think

[midnight dune]

the build im following uses mark 6

[hollow ibex]

Light and heavy combo

Mk3 is just light spam basically