veteran-class

[narrow frost]

bro

[tardy loom]

It seems im not alone here

[narrow frost]

sent me sliding away

through the ogryn

[tall torrent]

boltgun
maniac + flak
puncture + pinning fire

tac axe 2 or 7
unarmored + maniac
brutal momentum + headtaker

[tardy loom]

Is brittleness just a debuff to armor?

[void dragon]

this is the full service plus a Taxe as a cherry? nice! ty

[tall torrent]

yes

but it can be more complicated than that

it depends

[limpid reef]

Best blessings for plasma gun?

[slow spade]

just 1 point off from the +25 toughness node :c

[pseudo fiber]

Havoc 40 non activated power sword run

[shadow dagger]

there's a bug where lieutenant shout does health damage what

I want to not believe this

but I've been downed at 2 health vs an lt multiple times so I'm not too sure

[narrow frost]

yes

a known bug

captains can 1 shot

with bubble knockback

through hp and full toughness

[pseudo fiber]

VoC but they have it

[narrow frost]

@glacial ferry failed?

I can't join back

[glacial ferry]

yep

[narrow frost]

Crashed on loading back in

[glacial ferry]

fatshark moment lol

[narrow frost]

my cursor was clicking off screen

even in fullscreen

ggs

[glacial ferry]

lol ggs

[formal ice]

Dumb defence or mobility on shovel

[shadow dagger]

I believe it's defense

but off the top of my head the difference between 60 and 80 on both aren't that big

so it probably doesn't matter all that much

[quick seal]

What's the best perk for a dueling sword?

[sonic kayak]

Boffum

[quick seal]

I'm looking at some guides and they have stuff like "25% damage to Unyielding" or "25% Damage to Carapace" or "25% Damage to Maniac"

can someone explain why these are better than the extra crit chance or extra crit damage? The dueling sword seems like a crit focused weapon, why would a 25% damage to a specific enemy be better?

[brisk iron]

It's not a specific enemy you're going after, it's an armor type

[sonic kayak]

Because those are extra damage to a group of enemies

[tame lodge]

The way this game calculates damage make it so extra CRIT damage perk sucks

[brisk iron]

The charged thrust absolutely destroys heads, so weak point damage plus armor damage means a one-shot for Ragers

[quick seal]

Does this logic carry over to ranged weapons? I have extra crit chance on my recon lasgun

[hollow ibex]

that's one of the few guns where it's not a bad idea to take crit chance

but you never take crit damage

[sonic kayak]

Unyielding is all Ogryns and Monstrosities; Maniacs are Flamers, Mutants, Trappers, Carapace are Ogryn elites, Mauler helmets, Scab Rager bodies

All the things you would use a Dueling Sword for, y'know

[brisk iron]

Unyielding is basically anything with a boss health bar, right?

[quick seal]

So the logic goes, whatever the dueling sword struggles the most against taking down, I should take the 25% damage against that.

Am I understanding that properly?

[brisk iron]

Yeah basically

[tall torrent]

No

Only monster bosses

[sonic kayak]

Only Monstrosities, Captains and I think LTs are Flak

[tall torrent]

Captains are flak

LT/twins are carapace head

[brisk iron]

Well in that case I'd rather just Krak them and mod my weapon for literally any other enemy type

I'll make do

[quick seal]

I'll do the 25% damage against carapace and maniacs, then

It's relatively rare to fight against unyielding

and even in that case, I'll have other options to deal with bosses or bulwarks

[sonic kayak]

Counterpoint

Carapace and Unyielding both apply to Ogryn elites

So that's Bulwarks, Crushers, Reapers

[quick seal]

meh I'll use my gun for them, then

wait, well, I have some veteran questions regardng that,

Can I proc Infernus' burning on bulwarks if I keep hitting their shields?

[hollow ibex]

no, but you can literally hit their toe or pinky or something

[quick seal]

I remember when I played Ogryn I could burn Bulwarks even if I hit their shields by proccing Blaze Away. Does Infernus work similarly? I don't think so, because I've never seen it happen

[hollow ibex]

so even if their shield is up, doesn't matter

[quick seal]

ahh i'll aim for the toe then

[hollow ibex]

just hit any part of their body that's not covered

one of the beautiful things about infernus

and i take uniyielding damage because fuck bulwarks

i don't even care about the boss damage

i just take unyielding to roast bulwards faster

[sonic kayak]

Good

[tall torrent]

No

Infernus requires dealing damage to proc burn

[quick seal]

also, does voice of command knock enemies off of teammates? I was told that voice of command can knock off dogs off of teammates, and also make mutants let go of smashing your teammates. Is this true? I've never gotten it to work properly. Or maybe I just wasn't standing close enough to the mutant/dog when I shouted.

[tall torrent]

Yes, 9m range

[quick seal]

OK, so, voice of commands knocks off dogs and mutants. Are there other things it knocks off? I know they can like, interrupt enemies swinging at you. Are there any other weird interactions?

[tame lodge]

Teammate swallowed by Beast of Nurgle

Teammate being nibbled on by Chaos Spawn

Opening bulwarks

[hollow ibex]

knocking bosses off ledges

[quick seal]

shouting at the beast of nurgle makes them regurgitate your teamamte? huh, neat.

[hollow ibex]

"bad dog! sit! stay!"

[quick seal]

Just the dogs and mutant and the bosses, then?

[hollow ibex]

it staggers everything

[quick seal]

I'll keep that in mind next time my teammates are getting swallowed or pummeled or... dogged.

[hollow ibex]

uhh maybe not DH

but almost everything

[quick seal]

yeah but basically everything staggers everything

[unreal nova]

It knocks DH back for abit.

Some breathing room if needs be.

[quick seal]

the zealot inquisitorial rosette staggers stuff, ogryn taunting staggers stuff, doesn't psyker have their own shout? They scream or something

[tame lodge]

Creature created by horrors beyond comprehension
Vs
One screaming boy/girl

[hollow ibex]

well voc has really strong stagger

much stronger than stagger from most other sources

[tame lodge]

Venting Shriek stagger increases with peril
And it can't throw important enemies on the ground

Nor affect bosses, stagger wise that is

[quick seal]

lol i wonder what the new arbites stagger is gonna be

the dog barks really loud and the enemies get staggered a bit

Does anyone know what a "Peesah Hood" is?

this is a veteran hood thing but I couldn't find anything on it online. Is this a veteran thing, or is it just something I'm not familiar with. What's a peesah

[grand perch]

Well its a pee sash hood

[quick seal]

Lol I couldn't find anything about peesash in any other 40k media, it's a thing exclusive to darktide , exclusive to the veteran character..?

[calm shard]

it smells like pee

[astral ibex]

which are the perks for plasma? more heat generation?

[hollow ibex]

#veteran-class message

[pallid jetty]

i aam lauw gais!!

[dry cloak]

slop shop set that right now in shop looks arbites the most

[pallid jetty]

the helmet yeah

but still to expensive

[dry cloak]

yyeah

[pallid jetty]

i actually want to buy something for arbitrator maybe

but maybe he will have basic ones that will look cool

[dry cloak]

nah im waiting for what they will have in penances

[pallid jetty]

well i meant that also

[dry cloak]

your previous statement implies the shop

[pallid jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-l4d-l4d2-nick-in-hell-fire-gif-14225585450618374540

[torn gorge]

how far have you managed the porting of the guide on steam?

[unreal nova]

Last I heard, procratination because he got a new game so +3 more months.

[torn gorge]

Maintaining the status quo

[unreal nova]

Arbites guide before Steam Vet guide.

Even Zealot has a guide now already lmao.

[restive quiver]

Anyone know the dump stat for mk4 dueling sword? Mobility maby? 🐶 doing plasma / dueling sword build

[sharp epoch]

I do cleave damage

[queen sky]

hammer of the emperor says it's Cleave or Defences

[unreal nova]

Can also just dump mobility if you want an allrounder for being able to switch to mk2.

Either way, the difference for it is too small to really matter.

[tall torrent]

still need to add:
intro (5 sections)
melee weapons (like 19 of them)
curios (not yet started)
enemy breakdown (not yet started)
example builds (not yet started)
penances (barely started)

[tall torrent]

any forced stagger should

[queen sky]

Hellbore Mk.IV bodyshot

Hellbore Mk.IV bayonet slash

this is farcical

also that bayonet bodyshot had to really be forced, the slash pattern makes it a headshot almost every time when you're square onto a target

whereupon it instantly deletes them

the only heads i notice it having difficulty with is ogryns

[quiet valley]

MkIV Helbore one shots Reapers/Bulwarks up to Havoc 40, it’s a 2 shot on Crushers there, No Focus Target or Marksmen’s Focus

[frank basin]

My guess is the 25% carapace and 10% rending with surgical

Possible with 10% elite and superior complex

[crude wind]

Sure would be nice if they fixed its wield tine

[misty lance]

why some missions give me event
skulls
and some dont

[quiet valley]

You don’t need the 10% rending for bulwarks/reapers, I run Carapace Unyielding on mine

[quiet valley]

You need to play missions with the Dark Ritual Modifier

[frank basin]

You have to check the modifier

[misty lance]

aaaa

ok

[frank basin]

I play malice with those modifier

Almost finish

Is easy

[quiet valley]

I would recommend playing the highest difficulty you can

This event is like Mini-Havoc mode

It’s good prep for high Havoc

[frank basin]

To those who want play hard yes

To those who just stay non-havoc no

I don’t wanna queue up high difficulty see a player like one time psyker died twice to carry their weights

[queen sky]

Why is it mini-havoc?

[quiet valley]

Bosses/Captain Spawns

[queen sky]

Ahh, the totem Chaos Spawns?

[quiet valley]

Yeah, do you guys not get Captains on lower difficulties?

[queen sky]

Nope

Just the mission ones like Rolling Steel's

I've been doing damnation totem missions and no captains

[quiet valley]

dang, Auric Damnnation gets roaming Captain spawns

[crude wind]

I find Auric a bit of a snooze fest at this point. Would be cool if they introduced a 6th quick play difficulty

[lost frigate]

u can literally finish weekly kill monstrosities quest in 1 dark ritual game on damnation

[thin stone]

How to get better at veteran

any guide and practice I can follow?

[crude wind]

Watch your team mates. Stay close to the ogryn. Stay in coherency. Melee to survive, shoot to kill. Run shout and frags for the most consistent power

[sonic kayak]

Watch the enemy backline and take care of any specialist that comes through because although not exclusively your job, you're arguably the best at it, and don't neglect melee

Everything else is mostly situational

[crude wind]

Your niches are shooter and special and elite killing. Some builds can do good boss dps as well

[thin stone]

Ok

Why stick close to ogryn?

[blazing jetty]

Ogryn keeps you safe

[thin stone]

Ok

What if there's no ogryn

[fluid gust]

As far as I can tell it's a word used in southern India to refer to hot dry winds

[blazing jetty]

[crude wind]

Then the person who is best at killing the horde

[sonic kayak]

It's more stay together than stay with the Ogryn

[crude wind]

Yes

[sonic kayak]

Watch each other's backs

[crude wind]

But you are not a great frontliner, outside of frags and stagger

[thin stone]

I try my best in public lobbies but always end up dying

Trying to save others

Is it a good idea to play havoc in public lobby?

[sonic kayak]

It's a coin toss

Havoc is a different story for Veteran

[thin stone]

Why?

[sonic kayak]

Normal content, Veteran can absolutely dominate because you get massive buffs for just playing

[thin stone]

Oh

[crude wind]

Weakest class in havoc

[sonic kayak]

For Havoc you have to slow down a little, your priorities are ranged and specialists first

[thin stone]

Got it

[sonic kayak]

I.E. don't hipfire your gun into armor patrols unless really needed

[thin stone]

You let your team take care of them?

[sonic kayak]

It's more see what your team brings, and you fill in the holes

[thin stone]

By armor patrols you mean bulwarks, crushers and armoured rager and that other one?

[crude wind]

He suffers a bit from build diversity in havoc

[sonic kayak]

Most people will be oriented for close quarters, you get to fill in the hole by helping with ranged and specialists

[crude wind]

But he has some stuff that does well

[thin stone]

So I guess you should not play veteran in havoc pubs?

[sonic kayak]

Oh no, nothing wrong with playing Veteran

[crude wind]

Pure suffering if you're learning

[thin stone]

Ouch

[crude wind]

Learn him first

[thin stone]

Then what do you suggest?

[crude wind]

Then Havoc

[sonic kayak]

Have you done many damnations or aurics?

[thin stone]

How to learn?

[thin stone]

Auric maelstorms yeh

[crude wind]

Auric Maelstroms until you feel comfortable surviving big melee situations

[sonic kayak]

On the regular?

[thin stone]

Not really

[thin stone]

What do you mean by surviving big melee situation?

[crude wind]

If you can do Auric Mael without going down you're ready for havoc

[sonic kayak]

First, get comfortable with playing the class before you start Havoc with Vet IMO

[crude wind]

Getting pressured

[sonic kayak]

Havoc will push you into very uncomfortable situations

[crude wind]

Like the back seat of a Volkswagen

[thin stone]

Maybe dukane is the true traitor, she throws us into nurgles garden everytime

[sonic kayak]

It's pretty much the gimmick of Havoc

[crude wind]

Also part of Veterans Havoc effectiveness is cycling VoC as much as humanly possible

Which coincidentally is your best survival tool

A long with frags

[sonic kayak]

Well, Veteran is not super-rigid like that in Havoc; Exe Stance can work especially if you have Chorus Zealot(s)

But you have to be comfortable to be able to run that

[thin stone]

Maybe I should play zealot

Is zealot easier to play for noobs like me?

[crude wind]

Exe stance can work but you are playing ultra hard mode and tbh the only reason to run Exe stance on havoc is for boss killing imo

VoC does the rest better

[sonic kayak]

VoC is easier, sure

[crude wind]

Infinitely

[thin stone]

Ok

I'll go to zealot chat then

[crude wind]

But

I will sayt his

[thin stone]

I'm not here to be a super hardcore player lmao

[crude wind]

If you learn melee fundamentals on vet

[thin stone]

I'm here to have fun

[crude wind]

It will make your Zealot play better

[thin stone]

Oh

[sonic kayak]

Honestly? I think Vet is easier than Zealot ngl

[thin stone]

Bruh

[sonic kayak]

Vet rewards you for doing everything; If you are understanding the fundamentals of the game you get a bigger safety net

[thin stone]

Ok

I'll learn melee well then

Via auric maelstrom

[lean light]

Just hit them with your melee weapon

[sonic kayak]

Melee is not too hard; Just know when to shove and when to dodge

[lean light]

That's what I do

[sonic kayak]

Not all attacks can be blocked

Not all enemies can be shoved

[crude wind]

I think playing Zealot as a new player is easier than Vet, but I think learning Vet teaches you better fundamentals which will improve you on all 3 classes

[lean light]

I hate ogryns and maulers

And ragers are just annoying

[thin stone]

I hate crushers

Goofy ahh rock stick boys

[lean light]

Squishy veteran vs road sign

[limber karma]

for lethal proximity, do I need to fire my bolter before the effect procs for grenades?

[pseudo fiber]

Nope

[limber karma]

is the point blank explosion from the bolt pistol big? wondering how it looks like, should I be using it instead of melee when surrounded?

[regal smelt]

I mean it's not gonna do much difference than a push, you still need to directly hit bigger elites for a stagger

[upper star]

Heya guys, i just got the game and im level 3 as a veteran, any talents u suggest going for?

[regal smelt]

the toughness regen talents in the middle and right branches before you reach nades are good. other then that just try and reach as low in the tree as possible as you start earning points

[lost frigate]

the blessing that increase crit after melee kill is quite nice if u play melee hybrid vet

[crimson vault]

Haven't played in a long time, but with the game being 60% off, I got some friends to pick it up. Was a Recon Las build, have there been any nerfs or changes to weapons in the past year? Any weapons I or my buddies should be aware to avoid?

[quiet valley]

Recon las is till very strong, every weapon is viable Auric Board and under

[crimson vault]

Awesome! Glad to know I don't have to re-spec while relearning the game. Seems a lot has changed

Like idk when penance vendor became a thing and now we can choose blessings which is wild

[lost frigate]

when did u take a break

the talent tree change alot from the earliest day

[crimson vault]

Everything of mine barring my recon las, and axe has changed, almost feels like starting a new character would be good. But I'm level 30 and have a lot of effort with this character

[regal smelt]

There's a load of people coming back in from before that, has someone yesterday ask me about the vet ability giving a free reload

[lost frigate]

just continue with ur lvl 30 man

no need to regrind but start with malice difficulty, u will relearn in no time

but executioner stance isn't great like it used to be

[green willow]

is sway reduction synonymous with recoil

[crimson vault]

Seems like a lot more loot in the maps too which is nice since it seems like I'll blow through them getting the blessings and such I want

[lost frigate]

and also weapon is free to customize at hadron

u can powerup lower power weapon to 500

[crimson vault]

Is there a way to upgrade weapon traits like ammo, stability, damage, ect?

[lost frigate]

go to hadron

that

u cant

it still rng

u can upgrade it tho power up but can't full on every stats

[crimson vault]

Ah ok, is the key to still wait for the hourly refresh from the weapon vendor?

[lost frigate]

yeah

but mostly people dump defence, mobility stats

keep it as 60 percent

depend on weapon tho

[crimson vault]

Recon Las, I currently have a mk6 and mk12

[lost frigate]

u can switch weapon mark freely now

[quiet valley]

Recon dump stat is Collateral

[lost frigate]

just try in meatgrinder to see which mk u like the most

[crimson vault]

Yeah, will probably take a bit to read through all this. Lots of new stuff in the build spec tree

[runic axle]

Question: why is the 68 thermal / 72 charge considered the best on plasma? I know 68 thermal gives you 1 additional shot from 0 to 100, but at either 60 or 80 you still get 2 shots after the quick cool down. You also want the bonus from gets hot, so wouldn't it actually be the best to have thermal as the dump stat at 60 since you'll most likely reach the same DPS due to lower firing delay and have bigger bonuses from gets hot quicker?

[brave cliff]

Cause after 68 thermal it doesn’t make a difference

It’s still I believe 4 shots from 68 to 80

[runic axle]

No, I mean, why not dump thermal fully

Wouldn't reduced charge make the DPS on par, as well as letting each shot benefit from gets hot more?

Even despite 1 less shot from 0

[brave cliff]

Typically I’ve never had to worry about charge rate at 72 it always feels like just the right amount

[runic axle]

70 vs 80 is around a 9% difference in shooting speed I think

[tame lodge]

9% decrease in dps

Ask Path

He probably has all the math on plasma

[glacial mist]

which dueling sword should i be using again?

mk4?

[tame lodge]

Mk4 for brain off

Mk2 for brain on

[glacial mist]

and mk5?

[tame lodge]

Mk5 so you can dodge yourself into bottomless pits

[glacial mist]

fliping back n forth?

ah so the big brain move

i see

[tame lodge]

You can just main Mk4 ad infinitum

[runic axle]

Btw are dueling swords still as shamelessly OP as they were on release

[glacial mist]

just got this from brunt armory

feels kinda cursed

[runic axle]

I remember them putting power sword and axe to shame

[tame lodge]

Mk5 has the best dodges in the game, you often get sent flying

[glacial mist]

ok that is cursed

[runic axle]

I also have a 1% damage one

[glacial mist]

after hadron done with the thing

serviceable for mastery grinding?

[glad temple]

Which helbore variant is the best?

Also does it mix well with chainsword?

[glacial mist]

heh

i asked this very thing recently

[glad temple]

I have a MK 3 a and play voice of command

[glacial mist]

iirc mk4 has a strong but slow melee

[quiet valley]

All are good, MKIV is the best imo, it lets you kill Armor and Bosses, but its the slowest firing

[glacial mist]

mk3 is versatile

mk5 is for quick shots

quick but lower damage

[glad temple]

I mean the rule is there is no point in using anything than bokter and power sword probably

[glacial mist]

i use neither of those

im into lasgun and chain stuff

also devil claws

[runic axle]

Aren't axe and plasma still about on par?

[glad temple]

Shame chain axe idn't viable

[quiet valley]

MKIV Helbore boss dmg

[glad temple]

Idk im new I just say what iirc seemed the best according to people

[finite remnant]

Still power leveling my Veteran—went from lvl 4 to 19 solo over the last two days. Plasma gun slaps, but I’m thinking of switching back to the revolver until I hit cap. The overheat learning curve with low Mastery is real… had it blow up in my hands three times already.

[glad temple]

I do play with voice of command instead og exec

[quiet valley]

only left click no reason to charge shots atm

[glad temple]

Bolter is like rapid fire plasma

[runic axle]

Revolver is great for weapon switch build, but then you're just a glorified zealot with lower dps and better toughness

[quiet valley]

You can def play shout version, this is just Exec to get funny numbers on Havoc 40

[finite remnant]

How so? Doesn't charge increase range? What blessings do you recommend?

[glad temple]

Do you use chainsword with it?

[finite remnant]

Its max mastery from my zealot and the only thing that can really carry me atm on my vet unfortunately.

[quiet valley]

Dueling Sword IV for Havoc, MK1 Shovel for Auric and under

[glad temple]

Also wait why tf is the chainsword so damn tiny

[quiet valley]

Light attacks still have like 50 cleave or something ridiculous like that, Use Rising Heat and It Gets Hot/Blaze Away

[glad temple]

Can I use it tho?
Ik you should have smth with horde clear but I wanted to try it

[quiet valley]

I mean for Auric and under you can use whatever Melee option you like, they are all decent enough

[finite remnant]

Cool! That's what I got. Ig is just a skill issue. I'll get back in there.

[glad temple]

I'm playing the difficulty that's 1 above uprising

[quiet valley]

Yeah use literally anything then, weapons don't really matter just focus on improving your gameplay

[glad temple]

Doing my best
Encountering my first crushers is
Ow

Can you build your ogryn like a crusher btw?

[quiet valley]

dont understand this question tbh

[finite hawk]

well you can have a huge two-hander that one-shots pretty much anything, yeah

[quiet valley]

Ogryn is the strongest class atm

[glad temple]

Well Idk, if You can make a loudout for your ogryn that makes him like the equivalent of a crusher

[glad temple]

The pickaxe?

[quiet valley]

there's two handed weapons and a ton of dmg reduction on Ogryn talent tree so yes?

[finite hawk]

yup

[glad temple]

K k thx

[vapid thunder]

how outdated is this

[quiet valley]

its a little dated, but mostly still relevant

[faint beacon]

Very old but very relevant proves how little veteran gets changed

[onyx otter]

Which recon lasgun variant is da best for purpose of being a garbage lawnmower?

[brave cliff]

I think it was 4

Not 100%

[finite hawk]

12 is the rapid-fire one i think

[limber karma]

how do I get max stat weapons?

like a relic blade

[brave cliff]

Max for any stat is 80

[finite hawk]

increase the mastery by completing missions with or sacrificing other weapons (preferably of the same type, you get a bonus) at Hadron's

[limber karma]

yea, like all stats at 80

[brave cliff]

All but 1 can be 80 last will be 60

[finite hawk]

then Hadron can increase their stats up to the maximum for that one weapon you have

[brave cliff]

And each one comes predetermined what its roll is

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/non-gif-27497243

[brave cliff]

Blessings and bonuses can be re rolled

[limber karma]

eh? sounds like there is no such thing as a weapon that has all 80 except a relic blade

[finite hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

[limber karma]

maybe I was looking at somebody's modded game

[finite hawk]

even relic blades aren't exempt from having 500 power max

[brave cliff]

Nah it’s true you have to upgrade bit if it has 40% dmg that’s max

Overall stat obviously

[onyx otter]

On my vet i have 2 builds
One with a plasma and power sword as a big fuckers buster

And a recon lasgun one (im not sure which melee yet) as a garbage lawnmower

[brave cliff]

Rashad axe is good

Great for armor

[finite hawk]

Rashad is the way

[brave cliff]

Well once it’s fully upgraded

Before that..pain

[finite hawk]

you only really need Bromentum

[brave cliff]

I forget what I have on mine

Headtaker I know is one

[onyx otter]

Like one of my records is nuking 5 maulers back to AoS with a single charged plasma shot

[vernal harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1365293600631423067/1371111968731299992/00huuuuuh.gif

60% of 80%

[brave cliff]

My best moment was a long time ago when bolter could 1 clip bosses

Just oh look there was a plague ogryn

[vapid thunder]

whats vets best sniper

[finite hawk]

revolver

[hollow ibex]

Revolver

[vapid thunder]

other than the revolver

[finite hawk]

or helbore 4 (modded with a scope preferably)

[civic kite]

Helbore. You can throw a blessing on it that increases crit chance while ads, and pair that with the talent that does similar and the one that makes las crits cost no ammo. Very reliably not spend any ammo.

Just remember that you need to let the stacks build up after each shot.

[vapid thunder]

what secondary with it

[civic kite]

Secondary blessing or secondary weapon?

[vapid thunder]

weapon

[onyx otter]

ironically plasma with right blessing and vet build it is able to one shot pretty much everything but bosses

[civic kite]

Hard to go wrong with a Dueling sword.

[vapid thunder]

wbt talent tree

just full left side?

[red robin]

Seeing all these revolver answers for vets best sniper is a sad thing to see

Because it really is the best in slot for sniping

[glacial mist]

i snipe with my

laspistol

[red robin]

Vigilant rifles feel like a downgrade in terms of swap speed, handling, one tap dmg, and mobility

Like there ain’t no winning with them

[glacial mist]

is it weird that i use the laspistol for longer range and the recon lasrifle for spray

🤔

[red robin]

No

Las pistol is goated for accuracy gameplay

High finesse curve

Crits and weak spots are the bread and butter for the las pistol

While recon is saturating anything in your way into mist

Helbore would be a fun as fuck weapon

If it had quality of life changes

[dry cloak]

it it had cleave

without blessings

[red robin]

Weapon draw time, sights and firing method would be cool if altered

Ngl I hate releasing the charge when going for shots

[dry cloak]

make charge passive

and give it inflas sights

[red robin]

My mouse aiming ain’t good with release shots

[hollow ibex]

there's a mod that does this

when you ads

very nice qol

[red robin]

Yeah

[dry cloak]

they thing is

[red robin]

Ngl, I kinda don’t even charge my shots

[dry cloak]

it would be fun it helbores did that

without mods

[red robin]

I just use full auto mods to just spam fire

[hollow ibex]

helbore just needs a rework

and the full auto mod really needs to be in the base game

[red robin]

Helbore just doesn’t run out of ammo when it just uses 2 ammo

[dry cloak]

then give a idea for it

[red robin]

On uncharged shots

[tame lodge]

Revolver
Helbore
Bolter (DMR)
Vigilant 7 (DMR)

[red robin]

Bolter with surgical eh?

And what’s the other blessing?

[hollow ibex]

passive charge, faster draw, not dogshit irons, not dogshit bayonet

[dry cloak]

thats not a rework thats buffs

[hollow ibex]

well yeah

[red robin]

Yeah

[hollow ibex]

because the biggest issue with helbore is quality of life rn

[red robin]

That’s all I want

[hollow ibex]

if you fix the quality of life issues, you're buffing it lol

[red robin]

Fun weapon to use but the clunkiness takes out any enjoyment

[hollow ibex]

there's absolutely no reason why the bayonets should be as shit as they are right now

or the weapon should be as clunky as it is

[red robin]

I love weapons that can swap in and out of ranged and melee gameplay with adequate timing for breathing space

Love high mobility ranged weapons

Las pistol, bolt pistol, revolver my beloved

Game needs a stub pistol

[dry cloak]

3 marks

one is a 1911 second one is berret 92fs and third one would be what

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/death-fight-john-wick-cqc-gun-gif-5738494

I just need the feel of gun fu

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent how do i use the mk7 hsword?

[dry cloak]

heavy spam

[tropic notch]

And how does its h1 work?

[dry cloak]

thats it for mk7 heavy sword

strikedown uppercut

[tropic notch]

[glacial mist]

fully automatic glock 18 or something

[tropic notch]

No other combo?

[dry cloak]

h1-special for elites

[red robin]

Shredder auto pistol be like 🫠

[hollow ibex]

switch to mk9

[dry cloak]

i use mk6 like some weird man

[red robin]

Brother is insane

Man

[dry cloak]

yep i sue mk6 on zealot

[red robin]

Day 96 of wanting devils claw to have cool parry blessings

[dry cloak]

maybe on 23th

[red robin]

A man can dream

Is there any gameplay changes coming on that patch?

Or is it just the class and player progression revamp

[tropic notch]

[hollow ibex]

i hope they address some balance issues, because the free update erally looks like shit

[quiet valley]

Passive charge would ruin the weapon, It just needs weapon swap speed buff, and a pinch of extra dmg

[hollow ibex]

why?

[dry cloak]

how it would ruin the weapon?

[hollow ibex]

i mean it's not like FS is going to add passive charge for it anyway

[quiet valley]

For the heavier marks you should choose when or when not to charge a shot

[hollow ibex]

and there'll always be the mod

[hollow ibex]

i exclusively use the mk4

and it's much better with passive charge

because if i'm adsing, i'm ready to kill someone

[red robin]

Also I’d love for the sights on the gold helbore skin to actually line up

[hollow ibex]

so it's literally just charging when i need it to 100% of the time

[quiet valley]

Its a waste of time and ammo to shoot charged shots on reg shooters and a handful of specials

[hollow ibex]

not really?

[dry cloak]

you want to much. you are being sent to the swedish ikea meatball mines

[hollow ibex]

just don't ads if you don't need to

[red robin]

The iron sight lines up annoyingly above the point it aims at

[glad temple]

I love how different helbores have different bayonet attack

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-14501112

[glad temple]

Mk 4 has a slash

[hollow ibex]

yeah and it sucks ass

[glad temple]

The other ones have a stab

[quiet valley]

MKIV Bayo is trash

[hollow ibex]

the stab is much better

[quiet valley]

But the MKIV is the best shooting so

[hollow ibex]

the bayonets need a lot of help

[glad temple]

Good enough against that one poxwalker that interrupts your aim

[hollow ibex]

that's your standard?

[red robin]

I saw someone suggest that the held mkiv wind up animation should count as a block or parry

[glad temple]

I'm below all standards already I think lmao

[glacial mist]

the best standard

[quiet valley]

no why what

[hollow ibex]

the wind up takes so long lol

[glacial mist]

no standard at all

[glad temple]

Idk I used it a couple times it does fine

[red robin]

Idk

Sounds like a neat idea

[glad temple]

But I'm dif 4

So ye

[quiet valley]

They should give the slash bayo some actual damage and cleave

[red robin]

Vt2 had ranged weapons with a block, but that’s nothing burger

[hollow ibex]

make helbore bayonet empowered like a power sword

[quiet valley]

I dont mind the wind up, it just needs dmg

[red robin]

Make Helbore explodes like ogyrns frag nuke

I just don’t like the slow attack speed clunk they implemented to avoid rapid spam

[quiet valley]

Actually a blessing that makes chained Headshots explode would be sick

[hollow ibex]

lets be real the explode damage is gonna be ass

and just cause stagger

throwing off your aim

[red robin]

Would be baller on bolt weapons

[hollow ibex]

give helbore bayo friendly fire so i can impale the freak

[red robin]

I honestly thought that’s how bolt explosions did damage initially

[quiet valley]

Yeah Showstopper is in the game

[red robin]

That the gib of bone and mist was like shrapnel

[quiet valley]

its bad

[red robin]

But it’s just the explosion that does it

Also I be dreaming of curio blessings

Would kill for +X% explosion radius

[quiet valley]

That would be insane on so many classes

[red robin]

Vt2 my beloved

Ehh

Vet abuse yeah

But fun in theory for zealot and ogyrn

[quiet valley]

Rumbler, Voidstrike, etc

[red robin]

Crusher maul comes to mind

[glacial mist]

just notice that vet has a mace

[red robin]

Lethal proximity makes that explosion on weapon special a bit bigger

[glacial mist]

is that thing any good?

[tame lodge]

It's mid

[dry cloak]

yes it is

[tame lodge]

Surprisingly

[red robin]

It exists

[glacial mist]

man

[tame lodge]

If you decide to use it

[glacial mist]

what a wide variety of responses

[tame lodge]

Bring something to deal with Monstrosities

[red robin]

Skullcrusher and falter/electrocute fun with it

[tame lodge]

That's like

[glad temple]

Imagine if you could put blessings on grenades Xb

[dry cloak]

its not good good

[tame lodge]

Its only weakness

[dry cloak]

but its perfectly usable

yeah its only weakness are monsters

[glacial mist]

so if i want something mid that is good

i use shovel

and if i want something mid that isnt good i use this thing

[dry cloak]

so is shock maul

[quiet valley]

Use the MKIII Maul with Weapon Spec Double Barrle and spam light attacks, its actually good on Auric and under

[red robin]

Shovel A tier

[glacial mist]

mid as in

versatile

[glad temple]

Shredder nades with double grenade throw is funny af

[dry cloak]

it can stagger ragers out of combos

[limber karma]

how does skirmisher stacks work? do I get 1 stack after I stop running?

[red robin]

Shock maul be like B

[limber karma]

or do I keep stacking as long as I run

[glacial mist]

they usually die before they get to combo

[tame lodge]

💀

[red robin]

As long as you run

[tame lodge]

Shovel is also mid

[quiet valley]

You get a stack refresh based on sprint time

[limber karma]

it doesn't seem to show the stacks in game though

[quiet valley]

You can refresh 4 stacks with 1 refresh stack

[dry cloak]

fair. but if shitty situations happens it helps

also staggering balls of bulwarks

[quiet valley]

It does UI is trash and if theres too many buffs it gets omitted

[limber karma]

okay

[red robin]

Skirmisher requires sprint state for about a second to tick stacks per second

[quiet valley]

Skirmisher actually insane for Grenade builds in Havoc

Dont sleep on it

[red robin]

It doesn’t stack if you sprint-slide

[glacial mist]

but why balls in particular

[red robin]

It needs to be continuous sprinting

[cosmic yarrow]

I love my shovel, how dare you

[red robin]

But 10 seconds of uptime makes it manageable but clunky

[dry cloak]

so they cant reproduce and get stunned

[tame lodge]

Your feelings
Are blinding you

[red robin]

Bro did not enjoy the simplicity of the l4d2 frying pan

[dry cloak]

shock special can stun every single enemy bar the bosses

[tame lodge]

I'm more of a guitar smackdown

[red robin]

Give run n gun double barrel a try with this and larp as tf2 scout

[red robin]

Bro solves practical problems

[limber karma]

i saw that build, looks fun

[red robin]

Yeah it’s a fun hotswap movement shooter build

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-engineer-gif-23869811

[red robin]

Weapon specialist and infiltrate with the low profile node makes good use of the sprinting around and hip firing

Like good for roaming on elites and blasting them dead

Or specials

Your making the game harder for your team with low profile, so you gotta try harder by making it easier for your team by being proactive on roaming for elites and specialists with that build

It’s how I play it anyway

Double barrels high base damage insane and makes solid use of skirmisher with run n gun

But you’ll need something to handle carapace melee wise

[quick seal]

What is the talent called where you decrease cooldown of your ability when you or your teammates kill an elite

I'm trying to find it but I forgot the name

[red robin]

Tactical awareness

[quick seal]

thx

[red robin]

Psyker has one in his kit also

[hollow ibex]

cdr for elite kill is only on ogryn

[manic badger]

bottom middle

[hollow ibex]

well psyker's is elite or spec

[quick seal]

bahhhh

the specialists vs elites thing is stupid

[hollow ibex]

tbf i tihnk it makes sense for the classes

[quick seal]

This only applies to if you the veteran kills the specialist? Or does it apply if one of your teammates gets the kill?

[hollow ibex]

you have to get the kill

[quick seal]

ahhh

it's even worse than I thought lol

[hollow ibex]

nah it's very good

[vapid thunder]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9eff30cb-9f9b-4bb0-ad4e-ed2d5576fb87/vet-sniper-2

how does this build look

[dry cloak]

helbore thats for starters

[hollow ibex]

you're gonna have a bad time

should really take iron will

[quiet valley]

You dont need Marksmens focus tbh, Helbore IV kills everything except Crushers without that keystone

[hollow ibex]

yeah and mmf is kinda ass with helbore anyway

[quiet valley]

Weight of Fire is bad imo, it messes up your shot cadence and gives you less stacks of Surgical

[gilded wraith]

Are there any power/strength blessings that boost krak damage?

[quiet valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ef01385-1188-4318-a15d-91e8fa71cd21/h40-helbore-iv

This is what I use for H40

You can swap Dueling Sword for Shovel to get more well rounded in Auric and under

[vapid thunder]

word tyty

[hollow ibex]

uhh prob anything that increases close damage would, not sure

and for talents there's obv tinkerer

[quiet valley]

You can scale grenade damage with Focus Target and Skirmisher

Its bad tho, like dont scale krak dmg haha

[vapid thunder]

does veteran not value keystones as much as other classes

[gilded wraith]

Thank you, wasn't sure if the power on kill blessing worked with it.

[quiet valley]

Most guns you can build Keystoneless but its personal pref

[manic badger]

You don't take swap speed over the crit node?

[quiet valley]

You can take Focus Target with Helbore IV but I have weird binds so its annoying to me

[quiet valley]

Swap speed node on Helbore is super mid, and Exec stance is instant equip

[vapid thunder]

what mk and blessings on shovel

[hollow ibex]

take heavy sword instead

it's a better side arm for helbore

[quiet valley]

MK1 with Flak/Unarmored or Maniac, and Skull Crusher / Decimator or Hammerblow for safer slower clear

[hollow ibex]

main issue with helbore is horde clearing

and hsword happens to be very good at it

[quiet valley]

The main thing is that the Shovel gives you a lot of space

[quick seal]

How good is "Catch a Breath"? This seems very good to me, just passively replenishing toughness. Because usually you're only supposed to regen it when you're meleeing enemies or in coherency. So in a situation that calls for pulling back and regrouping, you'd be regening toughness, which is exactly what you need in that moment. However, I was thinking about this again, and I'm like, in high-level content, there isn't really a situation that you can withdraw and regroup, you have to keep fighting on. And in an instance which you need to wait for your toughness to regen, you might as well wait for your voice of command to regen, and restore all of your toughness that way. Does this line of reasoning hold? What are your guys' experience with "Catch a Breath"?

[vernal ermine]

i prefer it

[upper star]

Any tips for newbie veteran player? ;D

[quiet valley]

Its good because its one of the only nodes Vet can get passive toughness regen without getting kills

It could use a buff, to like 7.5 or smth tbh

[vapid thunder]

what blessings and perks

ill try it too

[pseudo fiber]

It could use a buff so you can block wiht it and it doesn't go away

[quiet valley]

Like its meant to give you breathing room when dueling shooters but it doesnt scale that well in high difficulies

[vapid thunder]

voice of command = autowin

[brisk iron]

Anyone else hate using the Braced Autogun? I feel like it's the worst of both worlds. The ranged aspect of it is awful cause it has neither the accuracy nor ammo capacity to be worthwhile at long distances, but whatever perks you could use for it are terribly suited for CQB

[quiet valley]

sadly yes

[quiet valley]

It has insane cleave and suppression

[lucid herald]

what's the easiest and fastest way to do adept assassin penance? it's the only class specific penance I have left

[lost frigate]

Braced autogun is fun but u shouldn't take it . If no one in your team can snipe.

But its suppression ability is no joke

Yeah but if u take brittleness per hit talent on Bottom right brace auto gun can shred even crusher.

[quick seal]

It is difficult to pick it up because I am using my points for other necessary talents. Will I miss it if it's gone? What are the better ways of passively regening toughness.

[lost frigate]

Still it a fun gun but not all around imo

[upper star]

eh?

[hollow ibex]

CAB is nice, but hardly necessary

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/daryl-dixon-daryl-twd-daryl-the-walking-dead-gif-26291955

Or plasma gun

[quiet valley]

Not worth pathing out of your way for, nice to have if its convenient

[lost frigate]

If u take left side and can headshot a lot. There is a talent for that

[quick seal]

@hollow ibex @quiet valley so what is the alternative insofar as regening toughness as a veteran? I suppose you'd be in coherency but I wouldn't be in melee. So, what's the alternative? Stacking cooldown reduction for voice of command and waiting for that to be up?

[hollow ibex]

what sort of build are you running?

[lost frigate]

And there is a tagged talent that give u toughness if tagged target is dead

[quiet valley]

Focus Target, with Target Down is my favorite passive Toughness Regen option

[lost frigate]

VOC is the most reliable toughness Regen

[quiet valley]

Although you need to be playing higher difficulties and mark to get more value out of it

[hollow ibex]

i usually run o4b, even on my ranged builds

still requires kills, but it's any kills

and you can get some pretty insane toughness regen from a good melee, or frags

why yes, i'd like to recover 40% toughness with every swing

[lost frigate]

I would play mm focus more if scavenger have less cd

[vapid thunder]

ogrynmaxxing

[quick seal]

This is my current build. I am a recon lasgun Shock Trooper.

[hollow ibex]

confirmed kill works fine too

[quick seal]

I don't really like Shredder Frag so I'm trying something new. I'd like to start using the smoke (yes I know the smoke sucks but hopefully it'll get buffed in the near future 🙏 ). I took Target Down with my spare point at the advice of @quiet valley

[hollow ibex]

you don't like frags? 😮

frags are da best

[quick seal]

I do not like frags

[quiet valley]

Smokes are good as well, what are your weapon picks for this?

[quiet valley]

This is bad for Recons, its good on Helbore/Laspistol, and Inf Las

[hollow ibex]

nah opening salvo isn't worth it

[lost frigate]

U can swap this talent to that if u want it give more 5 CRIT chance but require some early reload

[quick seal]

I think they take too long to go off. I like kraks because I can stick them. I like smokes because they are (ostensibly) supporting my teammates. Everyone says "if you play hard missions then you can just chuck frags any which way and you can get free kills". I feel like I can never aim frags properly, and they never hit what I intend for them to hit

[hollow ibex]

frags are really good, esp if you don't have voc

[quick seal]

yeah I thought about that but I feel like a flat 5% crit is better than a crit that only happens after a reload. I don't really reload too often on a recon lasgun

[hollow ibex]

it's the best source of infinite cleave for vet

and surprise surprise, infinite cleave is very strong lol

[lost frigate]

It depend on luck sometime I can shoot for almost 10 sec without losing bonus

But yeah.. just try and see what u like best

[quick seal]

recon lasgun

the melee doesn't really matter too much lol

I'm not really a Weapon Specialist type of guy 😗

[hollow ibex]

with your current build, your melee options are going to be DS, PS or HS and maybe mk6 knife

[quick seal]

we're out here participating in no-melee mondays

[quick seal]

yeah I have a rolled dueling sword I'm currently using

[quiet valley]

You should swap Deadshot to Prescion strikes, you dont have enough stam regen to run Deadshot on the Recon, unless you are using the Mk XIV recon

[quick seal]

hmm perhaps that is the move

I will try it out

I don't aim down the sights that frequently either :-P

[hollow ibex]

yeah def take precision strikes

it applies to your melee too

[lost frigate]

If he take a talent that return stamina after tagged target die and using 3 + 3 stamina curio it enough to sustain the stamina, but It will take him little bit of glass canon

[hollow ibex]

don't do this lol

outside of memeing

[quiet valley]

Even with 9 stam from curio and Target Down, its only good enough regen to run XIV well

the VIc and the XII just shoot too fast to sustain

[lost frigate]

The best stamina Regen is from weapon specialist range kill quick swap to melee then range again

But he said he don't like it

[quiet valley]

Target Down is the best stam regen on Vet imo

you dont even need to kill the target yourself

[quick seal]

are there any other guns that shoot as fast as the recon lasgun? The "torrent" property? I know I used the shredder autopistol a lot on my psyker but I'm not really a fan of how it aims down sights

[quiet valley]

just mark shit your team is killing, its never under 1 stack

always get stam per mark

[quick seal]

are there any others I'm overlooking?

[hollow ibex]

graia braced auto

idr if it's faster tho

[quiet valley]

XII Recon is the fastest firing weapon in the game atm

[lost frigate]

Autogun weakest DMG mk is quite fast

But not as ammo eco as recon

[hollow ibex]

and vraks is very fast too

[quick seal]

hmm i'll look into those, thanks

[lost frigate]

Braced is also dakka dakka but it really bad at long range

[hollow ibex]

it benefits a lot from exec stance

[queen sky]

Yeah the braced autogun, autopistol, and the infantry autogun are your other bullet hoses

[distant plaza]

i feel like rambo wielding an m60

[queen sky]

It sucks for annihilating specials though, which is what I want out of a ranged weapon

If there's a sniper and three gunners locking down a lane i want them dead quickly

[hollow ibex]

use exec stance with it

[grand perch]

i used to hate brautoguns going in but theyre great outside of havoc

exec stance and dont actually brace them, only hipfire

[hollow ibex]

i still brace the graia

[grand perch]

theyre more accurate than youd think

graia is the one exception to become more accurate with bracing. the reticle actually shrinks in a long salvo

[queen sky]

Not enough points to divert away from VoC

[vapid thunder]

how are you still standing you look like gus fring

[queen sky]

I have been meaning to see if it works for me, but being able to hammer VoC for emergency toughness and heavy crowd push is gonna be a hard act to follow

[queen sky]

Nurgle cultists already kind of look like this

Have you not looked closely at the sniper yet

[thin minnow]

There are dreg snipers?

[vapid thunder]

scab shotgunner is more severe

[thin minnow]

Yeah that guy disgusts me

[queen sky]

Oh yeah he's pretty peeled too

[formal ice]

Dregs are too stupid to use a sniper rifle

[thin minnow]

Yeah

What sniper is this guy talking about

About*

Cuz scab sniper looks fine

[signal cypress]

Mmm blessed
A true +3 stam

On my vet which i hardly play, oh well

[red robin]

nenver know

never know

[vapid thunder]

hes literally missing his nose 😭

[red robin]

+3 stamina feels good to have on vet

atleast 1 or 2 curios

[thin minnow]

What

That's the shotgunner

[red robin]

17% toughness and 21% health curio also feel good

[signal cypress]

True, more stam is always nice on vet

[thin minnow]

Thought this guy had a mask on the whole time

Why don't WE have this weapon

[faint beacon]

Goes against DT gameplay loop

That’s mainly why

[thin minnow]

Hard to see the face when I shoot them from so far away

[red robin]

damn

[thin minnow]

And the giant green lights

Take the attention away

[red robin]

can't believe he's just staring

[vapid thunder]

snipers in horde shooters are always awkward

[red robin]

with disgust

[vapid thunder]

i dont think its disgust he just doesnt have lips

[queen sky]

I've never been able to see how two wounds works for vet on damnation

You end up being way too brittle

[faint beacon]

Toughness

Your biggest benefit is toughess

[faint beacon]

Besides on damnation you shouldn’t be getting chipped at by melee

[thin minnow]

It is my fav in l4d2

[faint beacon]

Vigilant Autoguns

[queen sky]

"Besides on Auric you really should never be going down ever-"

[faint beacon]

Reward headshots

[faint beacon]

Well it’s fucking true lmao

[vapid thunder]

is it actually a sniper or more of a dmr

[queen sky]

Your experiences are not universal

[faint beacon]

You should nonetheless adapt

Or just avoid playing Auric or Havoc

Idk what to say lmao

[red robin]

Best advice for vermintide 2 I’ve heard was go up in difficulty to legend/cata if you take less than 200 or so dmg per mission

[queen sky]

"simply never die it's that easy"

[faint beacon]

Just don’t lmao

[faint beacon]

I mean it’s seriously a good tip if you’re not going down once at all you can jump up a difficulty

[red robin]

I wish I didn’t have bad tunnel vision with ranged gameplay

[faint beacon]

If you’re tunneling just be more aware to all sound queues

[red robin]

I am too petty to let that one groaner make me swap to melee to just kill them

[faint beacon]

Or simply if you see enemies swarming

[hollow ibex]

are you stupid? just don't take the talent then.

[red robin]

When I’m trying to shoot that netter sprinting to my oblivious teammate

[faint beacon]

Term

Not talent

[queen sky]

Real

Sometimes that dreg needs a bolt round

It's enrichment

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-a-joke-just-a-joke-penguin-cute-im-not-joking-gif-17171068

[red robin]

How I feel going out of my way to take chip damage to kill the gunner shooting at my zealot player

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/he-is-red-gif-16256913203749620283

[upper star]

Are there any newb friendly veteran builds? i am kinda useless on 1 and 2 bar games xD

[queen sky]

The classes are very similar at first, you just need a general darktide guide for now. What level are you?

[torpid sundial]

and yet the plasma gun is a thing

[queen sky]

And the zarona

[upper star]

i think 8

[queen sky]

Have you played many shooters before?

[upper star]

yeah

[torpid sundial]

it is a melee game first and foremost

so getting used to that and movement will get you far

like getting used to dodge and dodge slides in all directions

then game knowledge like what armor types enemies have and what weapons do good against what armor/situations

[sharp epoch]

play zelot first for the melee training wheels

[upper star]

they all get training wheels afaik

[hollow ibex]

zealot's the best class to learn the game with

[upper star]

Huh, interesting

any reason as to why?

[queen sky]

https://youtu.be/exnquZa9jHw

[hollow ibex]

it's more forgiving generally, and melee centric

[sharp epoch]

psyker and ogryn dont really give you the genuine melee experience cause psyker doesn't need to pull out their melee and ogryn is kinda busted atm

[queen sky]

This is a good intro guide

Darktide, like its' sibling game Vermintide, is very different from most shooters

[hollow ibex]

you can skip the youtubers, they're pretty much all ass

[queen sky]

That's an opinion, not a fact

Reginald's pretty decent

[sharp epoch]

not me im ok and i have a yt account

[torpid sundial]

I think vet's fine as a start

[queen sky]

Agreed

[torpid sundial]

honestly zealot is rough especially melee early levels till 25+

[queen sky]

I learned the ropes on veteran and it went ok

[torpid sundial]

because you gain jack shit toughness replenishment

[queen sky]

Zealot was the last class i picked up, even

[torpid sundial]

without your F

same, for it me it was vet > psyker > ogryn all the way

and my zealot is lv22 now

[hollow ibex]

for beginner guides it prob doesn't matter too much

[torpid sundial]

after 430 hours in

[queen sky]

lol i did the same

[torpid sundial]

went from vet being level +120 to my ogryn from lv1 to +150 now

and I never played vet again

[queen sky]

Tragic, it's the best class

[torpid sundial]

I'll come back when they make the chainaxe viable in havoc

and plasmagun not being the only gun

I still love the helbore though

[faint beacon]

Ogryn is the most beginner friendly class

[queen sky]

Ah, i could never get into the hellbore

The bayonet slash feels great on the MkIV but i could never get comfortable with the shot charge mechanic

[torpid sundial]

I love it when it works but it sucks doo doo when it doesnt aka when a horde is ever on you

[trim badger]

I fully grinded Ogryn the day before the rework

It was kinda painful

[torpid sundial]

:(

He was fine before the rework and now he's very amazing

[faint beacon]

Pre rework is painful

[torpid sundial]

I was doing very fine with ogryn pre rework

Probably a class you needed to get used to

in terms of positioning and stuff

[lusty ether]

it was usable, you just had to heavy attack everything

[grand perch]

BY FAR the worst bayonet

[torpid sundial]

ye that

[lusty ether]

this was not very dynamic

ogryn is better now

[thin minnow]

At least it doesn't blow up like helldivers

[lusty ether]

but overtuned

[glad temple]

The other two bayonets are better according to people
But best for shooting

Also it looks the coolest of the three

Much thanks to the bayonet in fact

Also I like to use the weapons that are unique to the class

[steady wolf]

Ogryn deserves it 🥰

[quiet valley]

Talent tree gore 💀

[fading yarrow]

Finally

The ultimate Havoc 40 build

[swift jolt]

What would you guys say are the best Blessings for the Power Sword

if you need to specify, the best out of pure DPS

[hollow ibex]

power cycler and brumentum

[uncut pebble]

It's always pc bm.

[hollow ibex]

power cycler is mandatory

soooo not many options

[shell spire]

What's the most fun meme typa build on vet

[heavy rover]

shredders, bolt pistol w/ lethal proximity, and as many grenade talents as you can reach

[shell spire]

Got a talent tree example?

[heavy rover]

unfortunately I'm not on my computer right now

[hollow ibex]

if it wasn't obvious

this is very much a meme build

strong, but still a meme build

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[quick seal]

buff smokes

https://tenor.com/view/fail-echec-throw-smoke-gif-14481068

[glad temple]

Bundeswehr really not doing great this century Xb

[quick seal]

I'm using the smokes and uhhhh , it's not great, it's not great lol

[glad temple]

Nah I was talking about the gif

Those are germans

[quick seal]

yes I just looked up "smoke grenade" in the tenor gif search and that seemed the most relevant to my point

[glad temple]

I get you

[hollow ibex]

Some people really like it in havoc but I think they’re not very good anywhere else

[quick seal]

From what I heard regarding smokes in Havoc, it seems like it is trying to do the work of the bubble shield but worse.

[thorny cobalt]

It does bubble's job better, tbh

[hollow ibex]

it fucks with AI, and can't be shot into pieces like bubble

[quick seal]

But it shouldn't really only be viable in Havoc. I wish there were some mechanics that would make it useful in all difficulties, like frags or stickies

[hollow ibex]

it needs a rework yeah

[quick seal]

meh I've seen it inconsistently fuck with AI. And it's OK if you can see through the smoke by consistently marking targets. But randoms don't really feel the need to mark targets, nor do they feel the need to take cover from gunners lol

I like smokes a lot! I am determined to make it work

[hollow ibex]

you need to stand in the smoke

or just install a mod that makes smoke invisible

[calm shard]

it's actually far better

you get 3 instead of one, they don't break from being shot at too much, and they outright disable the AI of ranged enemies (and force ranged specialists to get into melee range)

rather than having them just shoot the bubble

[glad temple]

If you stand in it you see as if it weren't there

[glad temple]

I saw some post reddit that listed how smoke changes behavior of every enemy

Can't find it rn tho

[red robin]

I think them being in the smoke makes them path out of it

And you entering the smoke removes their targeting on you so that they spray where they last saw you in it

If they’re shooting already I think

On ranged enemies specifically

[charred ocean]

best heavy laspistol specs?

[hollow ibex]

check hammer of the emperor guide in the pisn

pins

has everything

[charred ocean]

cheers

[calm shard]

afaik only gunners and reapers do this with consistency, and it only happened after they were allowed to walk and shoot

something about gunners walking while firing makes their AI ignore line of sight restrictions

so they just keep shooting even if they can't see anything

[tall torrent]

Switch to mk9

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-yes-sir-gif-9677227512883570825

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/army-gif-24566225

[safe flax]

braced vs infantry autogun?

[faint beacon]

Infantry is generally better

especially on Veteran where you want to click heads more

[plain osprey]

I wanna start a war here, but i am also genuinely curios, so a two for one question:

1. What MK of the heavy swords is better, or do they all specialize at different things while being broadly similar and equally good like the pickaxes?

2. What blessings should be run on them? More cleave? More single target? Debuff blessings?

[faint beacon]

They're all playable by preference

its just MkIX has the easiest combo loops so its the "best" version

and Blessings?