veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

You can just run the fuck away

Dclaw will get overwhelmed by hordes

Hsword isn’t bad, but it’s definitely a more stand and fight weapon and will struggle against ragers

I do love my hsword tho

[quiet valley]

Dclaw cuts through trash like butter, only struggles in mixed horde

[hollow ibex]

Until bucket heads start showing up

[quiet valley]

shoot them?

[hollow ibex]

And the dogshit flak adms rear their ugly dead

[hollow ibex]

Dreg bruisers, not maulers

[quiet valley]

It does fine, it has a lot of cleave with Wrath/Shred combo

[hollow ibex]

It def struggles when the hordes get denser

I’ve played a lot of Dclaw

The flak adm is a meme

[quiet valley]

Its a safe pick when you have a ranged weapon that punches thru armor

Like I said before Shovel/Dclaw/Heavy Sword all fill a similar role

Dclaw does fine

[hollow ibex]

I’d much rather use hsword or taxe depending on how much I hate ragers

Horde clear speed of Dclaw is prob half of hsword, and less when bruisers show up

[cunning haven]

is the shock maul good for anything?

can i stun pox burstors with it?

[quiet valley]

no

Its decent tho

It has a nice moveset and good dmg on all armor types except Unyielding

[cunning haven]

it staggers bulwark with the shock, but i imagine in a real game with 3 or more in a pack that would be too dangerous

[quiet valley]

yep

Its nice to open a stray one to save yourself some grief

but for groups you need shout or grenades

[hollow ibex]

Krak meta

[warm schooner]

been using this with some modifications, lot of fun

[narrow frost]

Yes

Been fun the past few days

[hollow ibex]

Imagine not taking both move speed nodes

[narrow frost]

Vet is so much more fun without a psyker on the team

[thin minnow]

That's kinda classist

[narrow frost]

Now that I think about it more every class benefits from having no psyker

They want horde enemies to not insta die

[quiet valley]

I hate to break it to ya, but Vets and Zealots are...

[narrow frost]

For talent procs

[quiet valley]

Depends if shooty or no shooty vet

[narrow frost]

I forgot you mag dump hordes

😔

Bring rachad

Have fun with the horde

[quiet valley]

never dumped on a horde all my life

[narrow frost]

Shrimple as

[quiet valley]

Ainz use Helbore, do some shooty

[narrow frost]

Maybe today

We'll see

[quiet valley]

Its been fun recently, Exec stance in Havoc has given me life

Exec stance buff 2027

[thin minnow]

I am a zealot...

[quiet valley]

How many zealot voicelines end in FREAK

[thin minnow]

No idea

[hollow ibex]

Honestly I think ogryn are worse

[thin minnow]

I just spam battle cry

FOR ATOMAH

FOR THE BENFICIENT EMPRAH

[quiet valley]

I think Zealots are the most intolerant, or ZEALOUS in their views of non-humans

believe it or not

[thin minnow]

But they are useful idc

[elder fiber]

Have you seen what the avg ogryn main says about other classes in this discord

[quiet valley]

Oh I mean in-game lore

But uh, yeah people will be toxic its non-class specific

[faint beacon]

I want to enjoy Helbys but like I’m cursed with teammates that refuse to either horde clear or help with special spam so it always feels incredibly miserable using

Also Hammerblow + Skullcrusher Muni III Shaul is fun

[quiet valley]

Yeah you kind of have to read the room when using Helbore, but you can dodge in horde pretty decent with it

[faint beacon]

Yeah I’ve learned that the hard way

It’s fun, just I’m cursed with horrendous matches when I use it

[balmy flume]

Right, just 3 more rescues
Then I am DONE with that one arse long penance at last…

[tight plover]

i need a build for the Veteran's insta revive and bash ability

something that makes it activate as fast as possible, im basically my group's lifeline in hordes

[hollow ibex]

Revive shout is a trap

Idk what you mean by bash

[tight plover]

knocks any and all enemies to the ground in the surrounding area

its the feature to the ability

[tame lodge]

So you want a Voice of Command build

That should be simple

[hollow ibex]

#veteran-class message

Good starting point

It doesn’t use revive shout though because revive shout is bad

Especially due to how powerful golden toughness is right now

[austere pine]

i just joined a havoc party, offered to also play psyker if needed, 2 people left, one guy kept quiet, launched a game at a significantly lower havoc, left mid-game start

[narrow frost]

lmao

That is funny

sorry for your time wasted though

[austere pine]

i just...

i'm not mad or upset at all

this was just a weird experience. party finder shenanigans

[tame lodge]

When the experience so ass you just contemplate it

[austere pine]

i just need 9 more missions for drippy chest piece

peak

[analog yacht]

has rashad + stub changed yet

[faint beacon]

Not really no, aside from doing Point Blank + Hand cannon if you’re only using Revolver for quick special kills

[analog yacht]

welp, maybe in another 6 months

vet getting no new weapons for christmas bc they're getting weapons 2025 btw

[faint beacon]

Nearing mid 2025

It hurts

[analog yacht]

is the new difficulty stuff good at least

ik at first it was just +500% hp on everything

[austere mica]

It was not

[pseudo fiber]

We'll see but I'm thinking Vet weapons soon

[analog yacht]

i know i'm exaggerating

[pseudo fiber]

Thursday maybe

[tame lodge]

Well still x1.5 HP to elites so

.....

[analog yacht]

idk increased hp is a mixed bag. I'm not entirely opposed to it. Like v2 cata feels way better than legend partly bc the hordes have some meat to them

but there's a point where it's too much

[serene bough]

Not a fan of hp inflation

But i guess it's one of the most straightforward way to increase difficulty

[calm shard]

I don't really think much of it in havoc aside from noticing a few missed breakpoints

and also the GIRTH on monstrosities

[tame lodge]

Welp I'm going to say that is good

Solely because I liked hacking through hordes

And havoc has the best hordes

[warm schooner]

auric feels like a total snooze fest after havoc 40

though the percentage of times I need to clutch seems to have increased dramatically

[uncut pebble]

All the good players now have their havoc circles and don't really queue aurics anymore. Honestly, makes it more fun, imo, because that just means I get to watch creatures attempt to breathe and walk at the same time and clutch matches a bunch.

[quiet valley]

Yeah the Auric old guard have all mostly left for Havoc

Auric nowadays is basically Malice tho

[thin minnow]

It is hard to find havoc players?

[warm schooner]

hard to find good ones

party finder from 20-39 really is a clusterfuck

a lot of people that were carried through a 40 who have no idea what they are doing

[thin minnow]

Well how am I gonna find then?

Thats not fair

Or even get better at it to begin with

[warm schooner]

gotta lose a lot

and I know people around the discord just bring along low clearance levels anyways

[thin minnow]

They don't even accept party requests smh smh

Once I hit level 40 once, I will just have to play a mission or 2 a week to keep it up?

Cuz I don't wanna grind every week

[warm schooner]

yup

[thin minnow]

How does it drop in level?

[warm schooner]

manually deranking or if you haven't played havoc at all in a week

once you hit 40

[calm shard]

a delightful clusterfuck

[thin minnow]

By how much?

[warm schooner]

1

[calm shard]

the chorus bot zealots who have clearly came here almost directly from their first auric maelstrom are my favorite

[thin minnow]

1 level per week?

Lmao that's awesome

[calm shard]

they are so ass at the game in all the funniest ways

[thin minnow]

And you get rewarded for it? Nice

[warm schooner]

if I see a book zealot with relic blade I know shits fucked

[thin minnow]

I never did auric yet lmao

Should have done auric maelstrom to unlock it

[calm shard]

and you see 3 human classes all with dueling swords and hordes don't die

which is also funny

[warm schooner]

if you can't handle auric maelstrom comfortably then havoc is going to have its way with you

[thin minnow]

How do I even check the havoc modifiers in party finder, it is all logos idk what they mean

[thin minnow]

Didn't ty

Try

Just tried normal maelstrom and havoc 1

Will take ages to hit 40 if I just play the lowest level smh

Need a group or smth

[calm shard]

learn what the logos mean

https://tenor.com/view/uni-cute-cat-silly-tuxedo-cat-unico-gif-1696378561949539858

[atomic gull]

Lernding

[calm shard]

you can press a button to inspect a mission and it will show the names of the modifiers

[thin minnow]

Every single one? Nah

[thin minnow]

Phew

[atomic gull]

All you need to know is an up facing arrow are the best for grinding penances

[sharp epoch]

nah one psyker clears hordes with dueling sword equipped

[warm schooner]

you'd think that, but man some of the psykers in party finder

[lusty ether]

engage the autoaim plinky lights and/or UNLIMITED POWAH

[thin minnow]

I just do that in

Mortis

[atomic gull]

Mortis is good too

[quiet valley]

too bad Mortis is so boring

They spent so much development time on it

[atomic gull]

It doesn't help that there is only one map

[thin minnow]

I have fun in it

[thin minnow]

Two

[hollow ibex]

Two but yeah

[hollow ibex]

It was fun for about thirty minutes but I couldn’t even be arsed to complete the mortis penance

[calm shard]

I wouldn't mind seeing some of the ability upgrades coming to regular gameplay in more tame forms

[hollow ibex]

Infinite bleed on shout

[sharp epoch]

Vet is kinda meh on mortis cause theres barely any specials

[hollow ibex]

Vet is meh

[sharp epoch]

the only fun build to me is the quickdraw revolver with crits but mortis is still boring cause theres no variety really

[void dragon]

yeah what would be considered a F.U.N gimmick for veteran? we know grenade raining is considered fun, but we are lacking some other styles

[charred pulsar]

There's no challengue either, I'm fighting the sleepness harder than the mobs

[void dragon]

just let at least 2 of the players be vegetable bots and suddently the difficulty ramps to a satisfying level

[sharp epoch]

ogryn has much better grenades so if you want to grenade spam play him

[charred pulsar]

Wave 10 incoming pick your roid

[sharp epoch]

veteran should have some sort of unlimited shooting mechanic in mortis cause thats what he is shooty class

[void dragon]

damnit man, im trying to give veteran SOMETHING! not reduce the little things you have

[cyan ember]

he does with volley fire.

[charred pulsar]

Trembolone for extra imaopct grenadiers, roids x10 to get more grenades per grenade or oil mixed with water for a fire trail when u walk

[sharp epoch]

ive yet to get that upgrade sadly, the system is so rng

[void dragon]

another reason why we need a new skill that is jus pulling a Rambo with a lightmachinegun

[tiny turtle]

We had that for a short time.

[void dragon]

there was a skill that let you pull a big gun for a magazine to put the hurting? WHY it is no more?

[warm schooner]

ah yes the infinite shredder pistol spam days

[void dragon]

a bug?

[tiny turtle]

It was bliss

[void dragon]

sounds like angelic chorus of heretics crying to their moms

[sharp epoch]

I think they're talking about when shredder ap with exe stance was decent

[tiny turtle]

Wasn’t there a “reload on elite weak spot kill” at one point or was that with exc stance?

[sharp epoch]

20% faster reload on any elite kill

its still there just on the left side which no one paths to

[tiny turtle]

I’m thinking of something else that made me ole boltgun a machinegun.

[void dragon]

if only longshot was not GARBO

[hollow ibex]

Longshit 🫡

[void dragon]

longdodo

[tiny turtle]

If only veteran had a design that stood out in playstyle. “Person with gun” is just about every non-abhuman in the game.

At least plasma gun go “vwomp”

[sharp epoch]

I feel like vet should get at base better gun handling like ads, swap, and reload speed

cause vet already has the worst starting stats with the stamina regen and speed and

[tiny turtle]

No real identity.

[void dragon]

veteran marksman, focused on weakspon shots to get bonuses that make it powerful and not just relevant; grenadier that when killing enemies you build up a resoruce to generate nades... i feel we are lacking something more because idk if stealth is that good of a theme (maybe because i still feel veteran current melee options are just awful)

[warm schooner]

more guns, keystone to replace melee with gun

double ammo pickup

[void dragon]

no keystone: a new skill to pull a big gun to become Rambo for one magazine

make exe stance a new keystone

[tiny turtle]

Should’ve had something like better handling for sure. Maybe our own special ammo mechanic. Something to show we’re some of the emperor’s finest rejects.

[void dragon]

so it has more ease of time finding those pesky specialist bombers

[void dragon]

the less expendable of the expendable

[sharp epoch]

the whole weakspot benefits thing feels bad because the easiest way to get weakspot kills is just spam shoot horde at head level, vet should be rewarded more for killing higher priority targets like elites and specials

[tiny turtle]

Let me bring in two guns and have a melee for the special attack.

[warm schooner]

I'd rather ranged combat just feel rewarding

instead of "nope you have to melee"

[charred finch]

or use a boltgun/bistol/revolver since they have disgustingly large projectiles

[tiny turtle]

“Person with gun” is now “Person with two guns and a knife”

[void dragon]

kinda why i want Exe stance as keystone, so it has focus on the elites and specials the class is supposed to hunt

[sharp epoch]

the fact psyker doesnt have to reload and doesnt have to melee with their staves makes them a way better ranged class atm

[charred finch]

the humble gunker:

(its better than staves)

[tiny turtle]

Hunter subclass

[sharp epoch]

staves still outperform in the highest difficulties

[austere pine]

outside of havoc

[faint beacon]

Does 2x more damage than any Vet build also

[hollow ibex]

Assail makes a better gun than most actually guns

[sharp epoch]

thats a good idea, but would that mean all elites and specials are highlighted forever cause thats kinda busted

[charred finch]

i mean in havoc yeah guns not the smartest pick for soyker probably just due to the amount of meat in ur way

[austere pine]

not really

ammo amount is small

[charred finch]

that too

[austere pine]

and vet gets away with it because of shocktrooper

[void dragon]

depends on what bonuses are we talking about, maybe the highlight is more to track but you get more damage or stuff like ammo regen on weakspot kill, but you get to track specials like no other (maybe added perk nodes to give easier damage on elimination or lean on more on weakspot kill for that precision weapons)

[charred finch]

honestly what veteran needs is a fucking movement speed buff

slow ass fuckin class

[warm schooner]

movement speed aura is way better than people think tbh

[hollow ibex]

It really feels bad without both move speed nodes

[void dragon]

nah its speed isnt that bad, its stamina regen on the other hand...

[warm schooner]

yeah stamina regen time is awful

[hollow ibex]

For a class that’s expected to be in melee a lot, vet really doesn’t have the baseline stats to make it enjoyable

[warm schooner]

playing zealot feels like the training weights were removed

[void dragon]

vet is not supposed to be melee(?)

that's kinda against its identity...and some of its own lines

[sharp epoch]

Honestly, I'd take anything over the current mmf keystone 😭

[charred finch]

veteran is a (bad) melee class with light proficiency in single target ranged damage

[sharp epoch]

also focus target is annoying, and I'm thinking of rebinding tag to m1 if I want to use it to its full potential

[charred finch]

ogryn & psyker being the best melee classes in the game will never not be funny to me

[faint beacon]

Veterans gimmick is a shooting class yes

[void dragon]

the dynamic duo since we dont have rattlings

[faint beacon]

But you know what it’s second main gimmick was that plays into melee

[void dragon]

psyker and ogryn are so cool

[faint beacon]

Weakspot rewarding

Aka if you can aim you get a shiny medal

[charred finch]

real

idk tho like

[sharp epoch]

originally vet didn't have any melee talents before the talent tree

[faint beacon]

It’s why I want left side

To just be

[void dragon]

a SHINY one?!

[faint beacon]

Reworked solely into Weakspot focus

[charred finch]

veteran isn't necessarily bad to me but it feels like it has the largest identity crisis with what fatshark wants the class to do

[warm schooner]

john everyman

[charred finch]

yeah

and john everyman doesn't exactly work so great in the grand scheme of things

[void dragon]

my idea of exe stance is kinda that but only vs elites and specials, the targets the class SHOULD be the ultimate predator

[sharp epoch]

I think ogryns is the same way, but they are just stronger in all fronts even ranged ogryn is very strong

[faint beacon]

Again I’m just saying man it could be the class that rewards players for aiming their weapons well

It’s totally possible

[warm schooner]

ranged ogryn is disgusting

[charred finch]

it is no myth (other than to ogryn mains who deny it like they've just been shot) that ogryn is disgustingly overtuned rn

[void dragon]

ogryn rumbler should refund ammo but not on its magazine

[charred finch]

anyone who tells you otherwise is smoking crack

[faint beacon]

Slam + Concentrate HS Ogryn is better than Deadshot Vet btw

[warm schooner]

bully club needs a hard nerf

[charred finch]

me watching the ogryn solo three bosses by spamming light attacks with a cleaver

[void dragon]

doesnt even need consentrate

[charred finch]

(not even a joke btw)

[warm schooner]

yeah

[sharp epoch]

there was a video with ogryn vs 10 plague ogryns just spamming m1 and winning

[charred finch]

yeah they're just op rn

[void dragon]

ah the confident strike blessing? they really should make the light attack value be less

[faint beacon]

Obviously but I say this cause That combo they gain a net positive stam gain vs Deadshot vet

So they have 100% uptime on it

Vs Vet

Who doesn’t lmao

[charred finch]

like their damage isn't insane out the gate like psyker but they're literally just unkillable now provided they don't get instantly shredded by a fucking gunner

or netted lol

[hollow ibex]

Seven but yes

[faint beacon]

9

More like 9

Lmao

[onyx otter]

do ya guys have a good build for executioner stance?
smh like an elite killer

[hollow ibex]

New dorn video?

[void dragon]

only case i had succes with deadshot is with laspistol and focus fire perk that regen stamina on kill, it genuinely makes the gun ammo free for a long time

[faint beacon]

See we have to work harder

Ogryn?

They have to simply land a bullet that staggers

[sharp epoch]

with 3 stamina curios

[faint beacon]

Boom net positive

It’s so stupid

[void dragon]

not at all, just one and I was capable to keep it for a while

it IS practical

but is more support oriented

because Focus target is team oriented

[hollow ibex]

The intern that okayed these changes needs to be fucking fired

Playing ogryn right now feels like you’re on one level lower than everyone else

[sharp epoch]

a lot of the playtesters are ogryn mains tbh the ones who made ogrynomicon

[hollow ibex]

Everyone playing damnation, and you’re playing heresy

[faint beacon]

Diabolical truth nuke

Ogryn can get up too over 75% Total DR

that’s the crazy thing

[charred finch]

yeah and it's damage resist

not toughness damage resist

[faint beacon]

H40 feeling like H20 with Ogryn

[charred finch]

crackhead class fr

[void dragon]

meanwhile me playing smal weezard because im TIRED of people just refusing to kill the specialists and going Thanos mode

[hollow ibex]

Biggest threat is disablers basically

[sharp epoch]

vet and psyker can get almost 3 shot by bruisers on h40 but ogryn can eat like 10x more hits

[charred finch]

yeah dogs and trappers forever be the bane of ogryns (deservedly so)

[faint beacon]

Face tank gunners

Don’t forget that

[hollow ibex]

Though not even dogs with FNP

[sharp epoch]

and that

[void dragon]

i have done that with a tank gunner build, very good, not indestructible but can answer fire with PBB extra toughness regen

WHY VETERAN CAN'T BE AS COOL?!!

[hollow ibex]

Someone more knowledgeable about ogryn than I am needs to really compile a list of things showing how busted ogryn is lol

[charred finch]

you don't need to be knowledgeable about ogryn to know how it's busted

they're simply too fucking survivable rn

literally your only fear is trappers & dogs

that's it

[hollow ibex]

It’s for the benefit of fatshart, because they don’t play their own game

[charred finch]

they need to cut down their DR or replace it with TDR

[hollow ibex]

And the plebs, who are just here for the vibes

[sharp epoch]

the way the talents work too is it promotes braindead m1 spam playstyle too

[charred finch]

it's arguably better than being beelined into heavy spam but not by much

imo

[faint beacon]

Maybe a pack of snipers

[hollow ibex]

Because I think outside of this server, many people don’t actually realize how busted ogryn is, or worse, think it’s fine

[sharp epoch]

it rewards the light attacks a lot more than it should compared to heavy attacks

[faint beacon]

Or the death combo of CS grab + Bomber/Flamer

That’s about it

[charred finch]

it just does not help at all that basically none of their melee weapons have actually interesting combos

well

they do

but i mean in the way of doing them doesn't reward you with more damage or utility in a meaningful way

[faint beacon]

I like they encouraged lights now

I don’t like

That it’s now overpowered as all hell

[sharp epoch]

pickaxe has the pa overhead combo, the knife idk, billy club no combos there really

[charred finch]

knife is just m1

and pickaxe overhead combo is just that

you press 2 button

there's no reason to do anything other than m1 spam or overhead combo

[void dragon]

knife mk4 is stab, mk3 is anti horde but can push attack for caparace damage

[faint beacon]

MkII Club only feels good to me for the sole purpose of PA looping into it’s Clear options

[midnight totem]

what changes

[charred finch]

plus ogryns with a pickaxe completely counter any melee unit in the game

because it's just an instant stun with the special

there is no way for you to get punished unless you pull it in a horde

[void dragon]

thankfully is only vs one target

vs hordes its not THAT good

[charred finch]

and even then they have two abilities that are just

"im knocking u over"

if that scenario does happen

and you just mulch them

[narrow frost]

@quiet valley I'm trying to play shooter, but I cant with these servers

back to solos

[hollow ibex]

Oh nothing… JUST THEIR ENTIRE FUCKING TREE

[austere pine]

i'm going to be so for real right now, i don't like the loading screen mini cinematic we have now

[charred finch]

That's how it was for me literally every time I played with you before

lol

[austere pine]

makes you feel like you're heoric when you are literally just a reject

[void dragon]

lets face it, the old one was GARBO

[void dragon]

an ogryn can fight space marines and win consistently

[sharp epoch]

old ogryn was still strong though, I topped the board consistently

[void dragon]

that speaks more of you being good than the class itself

i constantly top stats on psyker

[sharp epoch]

idk I could gap the rest of the team even with 1000+ players it still did the best

[void dragon]

doesnt mean much of what i do

[void dragon]

honestly? im convinced not that many players are havoc tier ready, the people i found are definely NOT ready to do H20

[faint beacon]

Reminder that Veterans have also killed Space Marines

[void dragon]

maybe not even H10

[faint beacon]

They just know where to hit on them

Again

[void dragon]

again the weakspot theme

[faint beacon]

Weakspot focused left side rework propaganda

Do it shitshart I swear to god

[midnight totem]

Wait, the ogryn tree?

What's wrong with it?

[void dragon]

it was buffed

now it actually has builds

[sharp epoch]

this was before havoc though, kickback is just busted on anything below havoc

[midnight totem]

Yes. I know that it was buffed

It's always had builds

[faint beacon]

Okay here’s a super short TLDR

[void dragon]

i did similar on a psyker, the point is that is not that the class is strong, players are REALLY that bad

[faint beacon]

HH Ogryn can deal 400% more melee damage

And can rack up to over 75% total DR

NOT TDR

DR

[midnight totem]

I know

[faint beacon]

That’s beyond fucking overpowered

[midnight totem]

Ogryn is stupid strong

[void dragon]

they have overtuned the numbers of the damage perks, they have good uptime but the numbers are to high

[tall torrent]

x400+% is not 400% more

[midnight totem]

I wish vet was half as strong now

[void dragon]

vet IS strong, but just with an specific build

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s honestly broken right now

[onyx otter]

like an empowered psyker smite has +300%
this shit fully charged melts an entire hordes

[midnight totem]

Stronger

[hollow ibex]

Like psyker was already insane

[sharp epoch]

rn the havoc meta is looking like 2 ogryns, 1 psyker, and vet/zealot

[hollow ibex]

And they’re likely hold my beer

[midnight totem]

I wish havoc vet isn't pigeon holed into to being an ammo support

[faint beacon]

It’s still absolutely fucking ludicrous

[quiet valley]

Rip

[void dragon]

than ogryn? not sure, i know Zealot and Psyker are

[quiet valley]

No Exec stance thats why

[sharp epoch]

nono its gold tougnness and ammo support

[warm schooner]

safest runs have always been one of every class for me

[midnight totem]

I wish fireteam and close and kill auras didn't suck relative ass

[void dragon]

so Vet is a TF2 dispenser

[tall torrent]

most of the dmg talents need to be nerfed slightly on ogryn

[midnight totem]

No i didn't mean stronger, I meant stronger then what it is now

[void dragon]

that's THE issue, veteran build alternatives are not where they should and dont buildinto a real class

[faint beacon]

I think the toughness nodes also need to be nerfed if they aren’t touching Confident strike

[tall torrent]

just nuke confident strike

ez

[faint beacon]

Cause the sheer fact they can face tank multiple bosses is insane

[tall torrent]

I still prefer tenderizer

[hollow ibex]

Replace with less confident strike

[faint beacon]

Drop light toughness gain to like 3%

Instead of 5

[void dragon]

Confident strike NEEDS the nerf, it gives too much toughness on ligh attacks for ogryn

make it just give 3% on light attack

[faint beacon]

Naturally

CS is an issue but the starting talent toughness Gen nodes also need scaling back

Why I stated 3% instead of its current 5%

[void dragon]

now you have to heavy attack for more toughness

huza! suddently balanced

[faint beacon]

Cause it feels rewarding to use

That’s why I’m not hounding it tbh

[tall torrent]

cut ogryn dmg talent by 1/3 then it'll prob be fine

soften them up 15 -> 10%
payback time 15 -> 10%
beat them back 15 -> 10%

[faint beacon]

Hard knocks?

[tall torrent]

heavy hitter maybe stay the same

hard knocks can stay the same

investment vs reward

that weakspot strength node prob can stay the same

[void dragon]

I aprove this approach, ogryn has a lot of uptime on those perks, make them smaller and we have a good balance

[faint beacon]

I mean it’s nothing like Vets Prec Strikes but it does help

I think it’s fine

[void dragon]

now zealot can be the king of boss busting without needing to be even MORE broken

[tall torrent]

no it's marksman lol

it's strength on weakspot hit

it's not weakspot dmg

so it's better than precision strikes

[faint beacon]

That’s, something

[tall torrent]

[faint beacon]

Noticing the sudden increase of Veteran having short windows for strength based talents vs Ogryn with it now just being passive or on a very easy to get condition

Weeps

[tall torrent]

[faint beacon]

I can only cope for a veteran rework
(Happening 2028 trust)

[void dragon]

the thing is that veteran source of base damage is quite lacking

[faint beacon]

Anyways Zealot is on the operating table next

[void dragon]

so the weakspot shooting is not a bonus but a necesity

[faint beacon]

So once that happens we’ll inevitably get something down the line

[tall torrent]

not rly?

[faint beacon]

Yes and no it’s just old and powercrept, we have damage just other classes tend to do it far more effectively

[void dragon]

you think? can you elaborate?

[faint beacon]

So we feel weak when we aren’t

They’re just out doing us is why

[void dragon]

REALLY hoping that the whole 22th stuff is sneak peak of the Zealot rework

[tall torrent]

dmg only matters when it meaningfully changes TTK

the best human weapons generally do more dmg than ogryn weapons

[faint beacon]

Me shutting my ears and saying lalalala as Path keeps trying to convince me Killzone isn’t worth it

[tall torrent]

like

achlys stubber on ogryn

is considered a pretty strong gun

but its fked on breakpoints

if it was available on veteran, it'd be way stronger in breakpoints

[void dragon]

Hstubber Achlys on veteran would be better than Helbore?

[tall torrent]

is this even a question lol

[void dragon]

its silly, i know, you can pick another weapon, i just dont know how to do the math

im genuinely asking

[tall torrent]

helbore's maniac dmg is pretty bad

meanwhile achlys stubber is 0.65% dmg off from flamer 1hs

[void dragon]

apreciate the example, thanks

[craggy gazelle]

Making a power sword, mobility is still the dump stat like most zealot weapons yeah?

[hollow ibex]

Cleave targets is

[craggy gazelle]

Guh

[hollow ibex]

Though it’s not like dumping mobility is the end of the world

Your shit dodges are going to be slightly more shit

That’s all

[slow spade]

You should dump damage

C:

[tall torrent]

it's mainly a difference in sprint speed

[craggy gazelle]

As for bolt gun vet, currently rocking this

Assuming nothing wrong here

[tall torrent]

boltgun dumps mobility on veteran yea

I'd swap unyielding to flak tho

[quiet valley]

Killzone uptime is good

Killzone is usually a 1 Talent investment anyway, I wouldn’t go for it if it were 2 or more points

[craggy gazelle]

You think so? I like being able to melt monstrosities when needed, how I run my zealot. I suppose more specialist clear is important though

[tall torrent]

flak gives some elite enemy breakpoints

u can run unyielding

[craggy gazelle]

Oh yeah, scab gunner breakpoint right?

[quiet valley]

PS6 pretty much melts everything, I run Unyielding / Flak or Carapace for H40s

If you are a Melee heavy build that 25% Unyielding lets you mulch bosses

[tall torrent]

no u can 1hs scab gunner without

[crimson pebble]

it does do rlly good unyielding dmg but its icky trying to get into position to actually use it especially if boss is aggro on u

[tall torrent]

it gives bodyshot breakpoints for elites

[quiet valley]

SHOUT

[crimson pebble]

the meta beckons my name

[quiet valley]

Marksman with Shout for PS6 goes crazy

[craggy gazelle]

Which elites have flak chest again?

Sorry

[quiet valley]

You are hitting well over 10k dmg on headshots

[tall torrent]

both gunners, both shotgunners, mauler, reaper

[craggy gazelle]

Oh, aren't gunners specials?

[tall torrent]

no

[tall torrent]

this gotta be exaggerated

[quiet valley]

I’ll get some numbers later when I’m home

[craggy gazelle]

Oops.

[orchid hemlock]

For WS on Havoc I assume Plasma is still the best option 😞

[craggy gazelle]

Only recently returned to playing after a year hiatus, got that mixed up then

[quiet valley]

Might be Skullcrusher padding tbh

[tall torrent]

yea

[quiet valley]

DB

[tall torrent]

u can go run trials in psykhanium, 5~6k is abt as good as it gets

depending on how much u invested

[crimson pebble]

revolver or b pistol can also work for ws

[tall torrent]

besides unyielding doesn't rly do much for power sword

it's not a high boss dps melee

[crimson pebble]

it do tho

[tall torrent]

it's not

it's high burst but mediocre sustain

[crimson pebble]

boiling you in a cauldron of wine

[tall torrent]

it's not as high sustained dps as combat axe or knife

u can go test urself in meat grinder

[quiet valley]

Yeah but burst dmg matters a lot in burning a boss

PS6 is insane at taking out monstrosities

[tall torrent]

still needs skullcrusher to amp it

[orchid hemlock]

What do I do against gunners?

[quiet valley]

Smokes

Or pray

[orchid hemlock]

[cobalt lance]

Or maybe

Just maybe

Kill them with extreme prejudice

[quiet valley]

I'm getting 6666 on non crits and 9453 on crits on the poke

[tall torrent]

wat setup

[quiet valley]

Not even using 8 stacks or Redirect fire

[quiet valley]

1 sec

[tall torrent]

oh lol ok

[quiet valley]

This is what I run for H40 Melee

It gets crazy numbers will all the buffs you get in a teamfight

[tall torrent]

yea it's basically dmg juicing

[quiet valley]

Skullcrusher/Taunt is all you need to get huge numbers tho

[tall torrent]

I get it

[quiet valley]

With some bad build crafting and Unyielding/Weakspot or Crit dmg on the weapon, you can def get raw 10k, but its overkill

[frank basin]

What was precision strike mechanic is? Ranged only or both melee and ranged apply?

[quiet valley]

I meant crafting a 2nd dead perk on the PS to get bigger numbers for the 1 hit

Like this, theoretically

[frank basin]

Heheh 25% weak spot damage

I stop using ps anyway, mobility suck for my loadout running plasma

[quiet valley]

I run it with Las pistol

Mobility stick

[frank basin]

Balanced

[void dragon]

what other weapons aside form DS and knife are not tortoises but can do with Caparace ok? Caxe?

[quiet valley]

MKIII Shovel

Its very good Carapace with mediocre horde clear

[void dragon]

ole reliable, never fails

[quiet valley]

Its my DS replacement once it gets nerfed haha

[tall torrent]

mk3 shovel is ass

[void dragon]

what shovel is the less ass?

[tall torrent]

1 and 7

but all 3 are meh at best

people gaslit themselves into thinking sapper shovels were good

[quiet valley]

Shovels are good tho

[tall torrent]

need 5 buffs minimum

[void dragon]

i hear people debate that 7 is better than 3 and the other way around, what are the facts?

[tall torrent]

3 is a one trick carapace dmg tool that sucks in every other metric

[quiet valley]

Yes, thats all I want it to do

[tall torrent]

it has weak horde clear, no mixed horde stagger, pretty bad unyielding, and u don't even have skullcrusher to dmg amp other players

[quiet valley]

I run Uncanny Skullcrusher, Thrust is lame

[tall torrent]

7 has slightly worse horde clear than 1 but with better single target dmg

without thrust u might as well just use mk7

it's just better

[quiet valley]

MK7 has a very long animation for the folded attacks

[tall torrent]

don't do fold heavy lol

fold light + push atk

without thrust, mk3 takes 2 folded heavy to kill 1 crusher

at that point there's no point to use it

ur essentially getting a no-horde-clear version of a chainsword

[quiet valley]

Whats the MK7 TTk on a crusher tho

[void dragon]

idk, i have tested the shovel, its BY FAR better at brawling than the chainsword

it actually can box crusher hordes

[tall torrent]

Uncanny merchant

[void dragon]

i cant do the same with chainsword

[tall torrent]

All 3 are mid at best at the end of the day

You have to gaslight urself into thinking they’re good

[void dragon]

which is sad, they should be generalist weapons but no garbo (even if they are used to lift poop)

[void dragon]

didnt said is good, i just think chainsword is more garbo

[quiet valley]

Well when the DS gets nerfed, I know the MKIII sapper will always be waiting for me

[frank basin]

sigh sometime path want be right on data

And say X weapon it suck

Where all the fun go?

[tall torrent]

It would be a lot more fun if they didn’t require sophisticated gaslighting to be good

[frank basin]

I only get purpose to balancing my loadout usage

No ps with boltgun

Or with plasma

[quiet valley]

The Folding interaction with Skullcrusher and Uncanny shouldnt be slept on, you get 2 stacks of uncanny and full 8 stacks of Skullcrusher in 1 fold attack

You get 4 stacks and 1 stack for the unlodge attack

[frank basin]

Forgot did path said skullcrusher increase damage not soften the target?

[quiet valley]

its inc dmg taken iirc

But you have Uncanny on it already, and the folding shovel does good armor dmg

[tall torrent]

It’s not damage taken

It’s +damage

[frank basin]

I maybe try remember he said skullcrusher is increase dmg rather target taken vulnerability

[tall torrent]

If it was x%damage taken it’ll be crazy

[quiet valley]

Whats the difference in calculations? im curious

[tall torrent]

Basically different brackets

There’re 3 instances of x%damage taken adding

But the rest are all multiplicative

[faint beacon]

I still think you should be able to dodge to force the special to pull off an enemy quicker like Chain weapons do

That’s my take

That’d slightly bump up the Foldables

“Slightly”

But you get what I mean

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1043910914027561000/1373162437305696276/Screencast_20250517_005515.mp4?ex=682cb46d&is=682b62ed&hm=56b578e24012c6461e0c927864ec317c155788451177ddd5d1a345be7420686a&

Just read this

Enjoy

[faint beacon]

Less get fucked over cause you hit one enemy and ragers are eating your legs

[crimson pebble]

i wish vets shovel wasnt sticky and had like two parts where it does dmg and just worked like ogryns

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tuxedo-cat-stantwt-stan-twitter-cat-treat-gif-10472450240820587393

[quiet valley]

Thats a lot of numbers, compared to my Psykanium paper napkin math haha

[frank basin]

It sticky because vet strength is not ogryn sized

[tall torrent]

Basically, read the damage explaining parts, the end damage illustration

The rest are not related to damage calculation

[void dragon]

you do math? i just go with a feeling most of the time

[tall torrent]

This is the condensed version btw

I could write it longer with more details

But I’m lazy

[frank basin]

Where’s concentrated version?

you making diluted version?

[quiet valley]

You need to sub to his OnlyVets

[frank basin]

That Vetish of you.

[tall torrent]

I invented the “DMG” term in there so I don’t have to write too much

[atomic void]

breakpoint this

breakpoint that

just bash their heads in

that shrimple

[frank basin]

You know imperium said knowledge is heresy

Everyone become ogryn minded

[atomic void]

math is hersey

[frank basin]

If path making spreadsheet data document helldiver he’ll get ban for it

[tall torrent]

I don’t play helldivers

[frank basin]

Good

[void dragon]

Lazy he says, as he has a full room full of calculations im sure

[tall torrent]

I don’t

[atomic void]

i tried to get into helldivers for the third time today and cant get used to the movement

console ahhh game

[tall torrent]

Honestly tho just read up till the end damage illustration part

[void dragon]

im aware of the reality but is funny to think you do

[tall torrent]

That’s rly all u need to be able to calculate what ur actual damage will be

[frank basin]

It feel like you controlling a puppet

Is not worse than forever winter movement

[atomic void]

it feels like im using a controller on kbm

so weird

[tall torrent]

U don’t need breakpoint testing in meat grinder to do that

[quiet valley]

You should make a Calculator for this

Would be sick

[tall torrent]

Nah

Again, I’m lazy

[quiet valley]

I feel that haha

[frank basin]

He who laze off the work

[tall torrent]

The only breakpoints u actually need to hand test

Are stagger related

Unless you’re turbo autistic and go into source code for every stagger vs armor for every attack on a weapon

Then find every enemy’s stagger threshold and reduction

[frank basin]

I’m just mild autistic

Actually Asperger

[void dragon]

me no autistic, me just stoopid

[tall torrent]

I’m not autistic so I’m not doing all that

[quiet valley]

Oh Path for Hotshot, is it cleave for every target hit after a headshot, or only headshots?

[frank basin]

I only like for guns not the computer language

[plain osprey]

Genuine question. Why do people meme on the braced autogun class? Ive unironically taken it into auric maelstrom with every single human class and never walked away disappointed (Agrippina especially).

[tall torrent]

Hotshot is not cleave

Hotshot is mass reduction

[quiet valley]

Hitmass reduction

[frank basin]

I use graia one

[tall torrent]

Which would be the same thing but not really

Because it’s weakspot dependent

So your total cleave is the same

[quiet valley]

Does it apply to non weakspot hits after the first?

[tall torrent]

You just get a discount for hitting weakspot

No

[quiet valley]

OOF

[tall torrent]

For it to actually get full value

Every enemy u hit have to be weakspot

Which, let’s just say, doesn’t happen often

Example

Let’s say u have an atk with 8 cleave

Against flamers (2 mass)

Normally ur atk ends on 4th

If ur attack hits first in weakspot, with hotshot IV (x50% mass), that first enemy consumes 1 mass

So on 2nd enemy u have 7 cleave left

But if the 2nd enemy isn’t hit in weakspot, it’ll still consume the normal 2 mass

[hollow ibex]

I like them but they’re just worse overall compared to the meta options

[tall torrent]

There’re other mass reduction effects that are basically extra cleave tho

Sunder

Perfect strike

Unstoppable force

But hotshot is not one of them because of the weakspot dependency

[quiet valley]

Yeah Hotshot just went down a peg in my book

thanks for the breakdown

[tame lodge]

They do brrrr
Except the alternative are better

That's just DT in general

"the alternative is better"

[quiet valley]

tbf Auric board is a free sandbox, you can do whatever you want with whatever you want

Live a little

[frank basin]

What about maelstrom auric?

[quiet valley]

Most Maelstroms are cakewalks, the only tough ones are IIIVEG and JIIV imo

[tall torrent]

CIVI is the best maelstrom modifier

[plain osprey]

Ive recently used rashad combat axe in auric damnation and got shit on for it by some rando psyker using the daemos force sword (he kept dying btw)

[quiet valley]

Most modifers are nurgle bless and some variation of special waves

[sonic kayak]

The only ones that are miserable are the ones with barrels and extra poxbursters because no one knows how to shove them

Also people are allergic to mutants

[quiet valley]

Rashad is meta in Auric lmao

[frank basin]

Yeah once I gone 3VEG with someone

With my friend group who hardcore Darktide now they play path of exile 2

[plain osprey]

Apparently not for him lol. He kept giving me a hard time all game lmao

[frank basin]

Did he said any bullshit?

To you?

[tall torrent]

just mute him in chat and voice in social menu

[quiet valley]

A lot of people have shit opinions, don't trust them, don't trust me, test stuff out for yourself

[tall torrent]

game is not this serious to get burnt over

[plain osprey]

The usual song and dance of "use meta weapons/weapons i approve of or i'll call you Trash"

[atomic void]

best advice on the server

[frank basin]

So he hate rashad?

He hate combat axe?

[tall torrent]

don't trust me either I casually spread information

[plain osprey]

Yeah. I think verbatim he said "Imagine still using the rashaad in 2025"...

[frank basin]

[hollow ibex]

lol dude is totally clueless

[atomic void]

send him brainrot

https://tenor.com/view/tung-tungtung-tungtungtung-sahur-tungtungtungsahur-tungtungsahur-gif-6699270143817937548

[frank basin]

Say imagine use deimos wrongfully on auric

[atomic void]

brutallini momentumerini

[frank basin]

That may keep him seethe

[sonic kayak]

No no, he's right. The random Reddit poster in my feed and his amazing build that I can't understand but will take his word for it because of my ignorance is obviously more correct than I! He even said it's bad in the description!

[plain osprey]

I blocked him after the match. I am utterly humorless when it comes to these people. One Strike and youre out. I am here to enjoy myself, not be reminded of the misery of existence. Anyone that does gets blocked

[void dragon]

hey Path, can i ask what those buffs are? i tested the weapon and the ttk a horde is ABSURD (in a bad way), part of it i guess is for how little cleave the weapon itself has and how easy is for it to get stuck when swinging to hordes while NOT killing pox walkers

[hollow ibex]

Eh?

Oh

Absurd in a bad way

[void dragon]

yeah the word is used commonly in a positive way, this is not the case

[tall torrent]

higher base dmg across the board (at least 25%)
higher weakspot and crit bonus dmg for strikedown atks
higher base ADMs against maniac, carapace and unyielding (in prep for uncanny nerf)
higher stagger to heavy sweeping atks (stagger all rager on weakspot by default, can heavy stagger all ragers with hammerblow IV x5)
enable dodge cancel for folded heavy atks, with no stamina drain

nothing too extreme

just to push it to a point where u don't need to gaslight urself to think it's good

[hollow ibex]

None of this is extreme cuz shovels kinda blow right now

[hollow ibex]

But but THUNK sound

[tall torrent]

funny sound < good dismemberment effects

I said what I said

[sonic kayak]

Shovel is good, just not for humans

[hollow ibex]

True…

[void dragon]

mk 3 test, it kills WAY less pox walkers per swing you actually feel pain for how bad it performs

[tall torrent]

shock maul caves enemies' heads into their shoulders therefore it's automatically better

even tho shock maul itself can use a lot of work just like shovel

[tall torrent]

it's almost duelling sword tier horde clear lul

[void dragon]

funny stuff, testing vs hordes i get better results using the mk7 than 1 (still garbo but oddly better for what should be the better anti horde one)

[tall torrent]

mk1 is 14.5s with decimator vs 50 pox

[void dragon]

ah i think i have mine with skullcrusher

[hollow ibex]

The real shovel meta is all or nothing

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ee41e34-a952-4c23-9b90-9f6284b0dc57/stamina-edger

[void dragon]

the real meta i feel is taking the Heavy sword

it might suck vs caparace but BOY it is twice as fast as the shovels to clean hordes

[hollow ibex]

Yeah hsword is pretty good as a low investment melee

I take it when I get bored of power sword

[pseudo fiber]

this looks really silly

[hollow ibex]

It is

The funny thing is

[void dragon]

29 seconds vs a small horde with decimator on mk1 shovel

[hollow ibex]

There’s a shit ton of synergies in the build

And shovel still sucks

[void dragon]

23 with Hsword

[calm shard]

same because helbore IV removes crushers and maulers from the game

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-avengers-finally-someone-who-speaks-english-captain-america-tony-stark-gif-17147260

[plain osprey]

I love the hellbores. But i suck at aiming. So i usually grab the recon las or the braced autogun and just pray and spray

And when i feel Ghetto and channel my inner city violence i take devils claw (closest to a machete) and the autopistol

[void dragon]

the reason why SM2 succeeds when its combat deepth is 1 inch

[frank basin]

my pysker is stamina blocker

he get deflection and peril blocking

[tame lodge]

It's why I love Ogryns cleaver

You can bisect anything with ease

https://tenor.com/view/cleave-gif-2392112233655369458

[frank basin]

the butcher slaugther the horde at ease

but shit at armored horde

[tame lodge]

Nice carapace, it would be a shame if I cleaved through it

And with a special build

You can tickle 11 crushers at once

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[thin minnow]

Can you

Bayonet charge with hellbore?

[tame lodge]

With mk3 and mk5

You hold the special button, then sprint while holding the special button

It used to flow better in the past

[inland glade]

What's wounds again for curios?

[tame lodge]

You could go from sprinting to bayo charge basically instantly

[tame lodge]

Wounds divide your health bar into segments

Aka more downs

[thin minnow]

What is the special for the other mark

[tame lodge]

Mk4 is a downwards slash

Instead of a stab

[thin minnow]

Ah

[tame lodge]

It has more cleave, less first target damage but more second target damage compared to the stabby ones

It also feels weird

And can't stagger ragers

[nimble bridge]

what are vets supposed to do in havoc?

[hollow ibex]

Give ammo and toughness

[sonic kayak]

Snipe the snipers, gun the gunners, bomb the bombers, flame the flamers

[nimble bridge]

ok

[sonic kayak]

Seriously, take care of the specialists and ranged elites, that is your priority

[narrow frost]

damage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhrV7dDOmqo

4 vet havoc 40

[tame lodge]

They are supposed to do EVERYTHING

(pick another class included)

[orchid hemlock]

Me playing Vet while nobody in my team even budges when 20 mutants spawn

[void dragon]

was in a case where like 5 muties charged right past me, i was shooting them but at some point i was like (good lord, someone is REALLY screwed)

[late moon]

been playing that grenade build recently

it's kidna strong

[hollow ibex]

Which one 🤔

[late moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwPatvrLyYw

This one - it's a pretty standard build, but just takes all the extra nades, and uses the 25% blessing on bolt pistol

to get huge explosions

[hollow ibex]

Mister E

lol

[frank basin]

Dominades

[warm schooner]

fucking lol

[hollow ibex]

reload speed dump on bistol

certainly a choice

stam regen, another choice

i hope he tested breakpoints before taking killzone, but i somehow doubt that

and a frag build that doesn't take o4b

lmfao

[orchid hemlock]

Mr T

[hollow ibex]

well at least the build isn't atrocious, could be worse

my expectations for DT YTers are so low at this point that i'm kinda impressed

[late moon]

ehhhh i dunno if u need out for blood, the weapon swap speed useless with bolt pistol

kinda wasted points

and the difference between 60 reload, and 80 reload is 0.19 seconds

2.67 vs 2.48

[tame lodge]

Out for blood procs on bleed kills

I wonder if you have a grenade that applies bleed aoe

And if your build is around spamming that

Hmmmm

Naaaah

[hollow ibex]

yeah not taking o4b with frags is dumb

[hollow ibex]

you reload a LOT with bistol

esp with havoc fucking all the breakpoints

and not having access to guaranteed crits from wS

you're going to be reloading, and reloading all the time, on a weapon with a small mag

and a mediocre base reload speed

[late moon]

ya i get the gradual toughness regen is nice, but it's not really worth the points

[hollow ibex]

if you want to move fast, you already have the DS

[hollow ibex]

it's the same amount of points...

[late moon]

dodge distance too tho

[hollow ibex]

not that you need more of it on DS...

but if you wanted to move fast, you wouldn't be using the bistol when you already have the DS

takes like a quarter of a second to swap to your DS to move way faster

than you ever could on bistol

[warm schooner]

honestly if I see someone with a bpistol nade build and ds I'm going to assume the worst

[hollow ibex]

so dumping reload speed on bistol is fucking stupid

[hollow ibex]

yeah you'll hope that you have a good psyker or HH ogryn on the team

that can pick up the slack on the horde clear

[warm schooner]

pretty much

[hollow ibex]

cuz frag spam isn't going to enough if they have no other horde clear

[late moon]

ya has bad horde clear

[warm schooner]

super common fail state will be sudden horde spawn to sandwich team

and then everything goes to shit

because the ds veteran can't do shit once the nades are gone

[fiery raft]

hey, its been a few months since i played

i havent touched since ogryn update

has anything much changed about veteran?

[tame lodge]

Two talents

Catch a Breath and Killzone went from proximity based to not get hit/block based

[hollow ibex]

helbore bayo got nerfed

skirmisher got buffed (still trash)

[formal ice]

Nerf everthing about veteran

Make the new class better veteran

[fiery raft]

i mean thats all good with me

im not a big helbore guy

[tame lodge]

Oh I forgot

[hollow ibex]

idc that much either, but it's not like they needed nerfs lol

[tame lodge]

But weapons that require activation

Shouldn't lose charge if you get hit

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[tame lodge]

Emphasis on shouldn't

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's bugged

because fuck you w

[fiery raft]

so

im talking witha friend

tryna play darktide with him

has the recon lasgun changed much?

no right?

[tame lodge]

Since Ogryn update? No

[hollow ibex]

still meta, still boring

[tame lodge]

Shredder Auto Pistol did though

It's usable now

[fiery raft]

what was the build with it?

i never tried it

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3a17a9-c4c4-4f9b-855b-c37250ad14f2/basic-bitch-recon-las

[junior stirrup]

how do i get On Overwatch bruh this is pising me off

can someone carry me through ive tried too many times

[formal ice]

Not lose health?

You need skill

[junior stirrup]

i cant take melee damage at all

[formal ice]

Being carry like a baby won't make you deserve such achievement

[junior stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/end-of-watch-locker-scene-jake-gyllenhaal-gif-8856476536569176567

fucker

[formal ice]

Anyways you need to remember to dodge

You know

Dodge

[junior stirrup]

ye

[formal ice]

The thing

And block

And not get into much danger

[calm shard]

specifically you need to not take health damage from a melee attack

[junior stirrup]

like one of the lil dudes just spawn behind me outta no where

[austere mica]

Just run a safe weapon and build you'll get it eventually

I got it accidentally

[calm shard]

If you have full toughness melee attacks don't do health damage to you

[junior stirrup]

what were you using

[calm shard]

Same for if you have gold toughness from something like Voice of Coammnd

[austere mica]

Was running mk1 shovel plus Plasma (gross icky) and VoC

[junior stirrup]

wait do i just need to not take any health melee damage?

[calm shard]

yeah

toughness damage doesn't matter

have to lose health to it

[junior stirrup]

ok

[calm shard]

also worth noting dogs and mutants count as melee damage

It also used to be that that fucking annoying push hitbox that dogs have when they're about to pounce someone else did 1 damage which was also melee damage

So be glad you aren't trying to do this in the past

[nimble bridge]

why does the plasma gun have such a weird stat distribution?

[austere mica]

8 shots before overheat while maintaining lowest shot delay

[calm shard]

69 thermal resist is minimum for 8 shots without overheating

charge rate is how long it takes to shoot

[nimble bridge]

oh ok

[calm shard]

you also see a similar thing on Ripper Guns for Ogryn

where they want 66 ammo

puts their mag at the exact threshold needed for mag size based blessings like Blaze Away to proc on every shot

[unreal nova]

Do you really want it that bad still?

[junior stirrup]

yes bruh

[unreal nova]

Vox Or ingame?

[junior stirrup]

dms

[tall torrent]

what region are u in

I can help rn

[unreal nova]

I'll try helping him. So might be SEA. Could do in HK.if preferred

[tall torrent]

k

[unreal nova]

You coming?

[tall torrent]

did yall start already

[unreal nova]

Nope.

Missions all suck.

[tall torrent]

k lemme get on

[unreal nova]

We went from dogs to high int, and i basically just woke up and rather not deal with too much lul.

And avoiding minigames.

Because bots are terrible.

[nimble bridge]

is combat ability regeneration useful on vet?

[hollow ibex]

eh

maybe in havoc

[nimble bridge]

how many seconds does it reduce from voc

[hollow ibex]

all in the guide

[nimble bridge]

ok so its useless

[austere mica]

Not useless, just outcompeted semi handily

[nimble bridge]

where can i find example builds?

is the google doc not outdated