maybe I can just take tactical reload on infantry lasgun, the reload can be a lil bit annoying at times lmao
#veteran-class
bold sierra
tall torrent
mk2 relic blade is 10% higher dps by being 500% the complexity
so yea mk10 is better
narrow frost
exactly
bold sierra
u mean the orange one?
narrow frost
but funny uppercut
hollow ibex
u mean the orange one?
idk the fastest one
tall torrent
which it does not have
take red nodes
u are far likelier to hit new breakpoints with those that work on demand compared to some niche 0.005% scenario that only OCD is making you try to get
bold sierra
idk the fastest one
HMMMMMM, it doesn't let me one-shot moebian 21st enemy in 1 shot even with unarmored dmg...so i dislike that xD
bold sierra
take red nodes
maybe I will
narrow frost
las gun moment
tall torrent
HMMMMMM, it doesn't let me one-shot moebian 21st enemy in 1 shot even with unarm...
why are u trying to horde clear with gun
hollow ibex
and you shoot like twice as fast
so you don't give a shit about breakpoints
for havoc
tall torrent
it's like you're trying to optimize for breakpoints
in a mode famously anti-breakpoints
while not understanding whatsoever what actually matters for optimizing for breakpoints
hollow ibex
don't worry, longshot's got him
bold sierra
why are u trying to horde clear with gun
cuz it actually kinda works pretty nice with ilasgun lol idk what to tell ya
tall torrent
cuz it actually kinda works pretty nice with ilasgun lol idk what to tell ya
4.8 mass 843.75 health horde enemies that spawn 30+ at a time
you're trying to horde clear them with a gun that has 1.5 cleave
whatever math you're thinking is not working the way you hope it works
bold sierra
4.8 mass 843.75 health horde enemies that spawn 30+ at a time
you're trying to h...
I'm aware I'm not penning 2 enemies at a time
i just hip fire and dodge
tall torrent
i just hip fire and dodge
bring a power sword it's not that complicated
tall torrent
then why are u trying to build horde clear breakpoint on gun
bold sierra
I do use it, in tandem with everything
bold sierra
then why are u trying to build horde clear breakpoint on gun
it's jsut nice to have ig
tall torrent
you're doing completely nonsensical things
bold sierra
I mean hey, I'm just gonna say that you guys have very valid points, and I'm not complete off-table on changing things up with my build
but does it make that big of a difference? Even if it's somewhat less effective? I got the important components in there anyway
hollow ibex
you're taking iron will now right?
bold sierra
VoC, ammo aura
bold sierra
you're taking iron will now right?
yes, if I play VoC I will take iron will
DUH
that's a whole other level of silly if you don't when playing VoC
hollow ibex
well you should be taking it even without voc tbh
bold sierra
well you should be taking it even without voc tbh
it's always nice to have a bit of dmg resistance sure
hollow ibex
if vet ever gets the orgyn treatment, iron will will definitely be one of the talents at the very top center of the tree
(i.e., mandatory)
bold sierra
but if I can survive even without it for the most parts, taking the least dmg still and making do without, idk if it's ENTIRELY necessary
hollow ibex
it can make a huge difference, especially if you're a good player
if you're getting hit all the time, you're fucked anyway 
and iron will won't help you
bold sierra
it can make a huge difference, especially if you're a good player
wait this is confusing to me, you're saying surviving with iron will is "more impressive" than surviving without iron will?
tall torrent
wait this is confusing to me, you're saying surviving with iron will is "more im...
why would u not take iron will
there are very few talents remotely as good
hollow ibex
wait this is confusing to me, you're saying surviving with iron will is "more im...
nah it's more impressive to me if you can regularly clear high havoc without iron will
because you're purposely gimping your build
if there's a level 30 vet build, i expect to see iron will on it
tall torrent
choosing longshot over iron will is a special kind of mental gymnastics that I cannot comprehend
bold sierra
choosing longshot over iron will is a special kind of mental gymnastics that I c...
this and that man, these aint the same builds i'm talking about xD
hollow ibex
you should take iron will even on the ES build
hollow ibex
the only reasons to not take iron will are (a) if you're not level 30 or (b) you get hit all the time and die anyway
sharp epoch
i dont take iron will cause im a god
bold sierra
the only reasons to not take iron will are (a) if you're not level 30 or (b) you...
dont want to sound conceited, but those aint the case for me I'll tell ya that xD, really
hollow ibex
i dont take iron will cause im a god
ok yeah possibility (c)
you're a god at the game
shrimply don't get hit
signal cypress
Possibility (d)eez nuts
sharp epoch
just max damage talents who gets hit
bold sierra
that's the idea
bold sierra
why would u not take iron will
to elaborate, I do take Iron Will with VoC builds, cuz over-toughness, and since Executioner stance doesnt really do that, I just think it's not as great with. Obviously damage reduction is always good so it's not entirely out of the question.
hollow ibex
honestly iron will's mostly for saving your ass if you take a hit every once in a while, though obviously synergizes very well with golden toughness (which there's plenty of in havoc)
bold sierra
honestly iron will's mostly for saving your ass if you take a hit every once in ...
in H40, with 95 toughness, without Iron will 1 hit from groaner depletes your toughness but doesnt go to HP, but next hit go straight to HP + corruption anyway.
With iron will 1 hit from groaner depletes to like 36 toughness, but the next hit go straight to HP+corruption anyway. So idk, it's more or less the same thing without golden toughness
hollow ibex
well it's obviously reducing the amount you get fucked by the groaner
and most of the time
bold sierra
well it's obviously reducing the amount you get fucked by the groaner
it does, I'm not really refuting that at all, but it's still basically a 2-hit HP dmg right?
hollow ibex
you will take one hit and then get away/protect yourself
so it's a pretty meaningful difference
if you're getting hit multiple times by a groaner
iron will is considerably less useful
and something has gone horribly wrong anyway
iron will's good at protecting you from one-off random hits that you weren't able to account for
bold sierra
iron will's good at protecting you from one-off random hits that you weren't abl...
but if both with and without protects your main HP bar, while also leave your HP bar vulnerable for a second hit, then is there really a difference?
groaner gets me to like 1toughness remaining here from 1 hit without iron will
while yes with iron will, I still got 36 toughness, but that's still paper armor considering H40 xD
hollow ibex
i mean do you ever only get hit by groaners?
you can run through every scenario if you want, but there's a reason why most consider iron will an essential/mandatory talent on the vet tree
bold sierra
i mean do you ever only get hit by groaners?
touche i guess
I suppose it does help tank shotgunners a bit better
or maybe a volley from scab shooter or so
but I suppose my bolter basically one-shots + stun them all in an AoE (bolt explosion) anyway usually, without letting them even get a chance to shoot, so yeah, but I suppose it does have its occasional value
orchid hemlock
choosing longshot over iron will is a special kind of mental gymnastics that I c...
PATH DONT
sharp epoch
@quiet valley hey mmf works pretty well with laspistol build
cause finesse influences the crit damage
quiet valley
Its good dmg scaling, you need to swap Deadshot to Reciprocity and DumDum to Desperado, since MMF stam regen is worse than Focus Target
Its good I just like Deadshot/FT because of how consistent the dmg is in Havoc
bold sierra
I should try MMF for my inf lasgun build again
tall torrent
to elaborate, I do take Iron Will with VoC builds, cuz over-toughness, and since...
You should take iron will on every build regardless of ability
bold sierra
You should take iron will on every build regardless of ability
yeah i'm gonna take it now since u guys are recommending it so much xD
sad that I lose field improv tho
quiet valley
Field improv is bad talent tbh
bold sierra
I mean, I don't need it
quiet valley
Not worth a point, the 60s node is way better value
bold sierra
but it does come in clutch whenever u cant reach a ritual in time and gotta fight, and just give +2 grenades to zealot or ogryn xD
sometimes
trim steppe
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
bold sierra
Not worth a point, the 60s node is way better value
not worth for you alone of course
it is pretty nice to have tho, I especially love it when vets bring it when I'm playing ogryn or zealot xD
torpid grotto
Corruption cleanse can have insane value
bold sierra
yeah especially when I bring the 15%TDR aura on zealot
quiet valley
Vet tree is so tight on good nodes that an "ok" node is not worth taking
bold sierra
i'm not gonna die on field improv's hill haha
tall torrent
Corruption cleanse can have insane value
In launch havoc, yes, purely for blight
bold sierra
just saying it's nice
tall torrent
Rn, not nearly as much
austere mica
Field improv is a luxury you take when you have a spare point and nothing good to grab
bold sierra
that depends on your team tho
tall torrent
Field improv is a luxury you take when you have a spare point and nothing good t...
I would rather take skirmisher over field improv
quiet valley
Based Skirmisher
bold sierra
Field improv is a luxury you take when you have a spare point and nothing good t...
there are some good nodes I'm willing to give up tbh
gonna give this a try later
quiet valley
No killzone 💀
quiet valley
You have no support for Deadshot why are you taking it
bold sierra
You have no support for Deadshot why are you taking it
support?
quiet valley
Stam regen from MMF or FT
bold sierra
Stam regen from MMF or FT
maybe I'm gonna rely on Ghost, letting enemies shoot at me and giving me stamina
dunno how that's gonna work out
but I'm gonna try
quiet valley
alrighty then
bold sierra
plus, I tried Target down yesterday, the stamina regen from it is nice but you burn through it so fast anyway xD
tall torrent
maybe I'm gonna rely on Ghost, letting enemies shoot at me and giving me stamina
That’s like
The dumbest way to regen stamina on veteran
Unironically
U don’t have duck and dive
quiet valley
it can never go under 1 stack of FT thats 5% toughness/stam for your whole team per mark
tall torrent
U have to actually get below 50% stamina, get hit, get your toughness obliterated, to get stamina back
Ghost doesn’t participate in that whatsoever
quiet valley
I outpace deadshot stam decay on Recon las with FT
XIV ofc
Infantry should be easy to manage
torpid grotto
Rn, not nearly as much
My teams be getting corrupted to hell
tall torrent
My teams be getting corrupted to hell
Too bad for them
quiet valley
L haha
tall torrent
What’s even doing all that corruption
You have to eat unnecessary melee hits to accumulate corruption beyond normal
bold sierra
The dumbest way to regen stamina on veteran
I'm not gonna disagree with that lmao, this is kinda bombastic anyway, I just tested, you do get stamina get from enemies shooting at you but it's not too consistent, and GHost doesnt do much lol
tall torrent
I'm not gonna disagree with that lmao, this is kinda bombastic anyway, I just te...
No you don’t even understand how the damage stamina gain system works
It only works when you go below 50% stamina
And it only gives you stamina for taking damage
Avoiding damage (like with ghost) = no stamina
narrow frost
hp or tough?
tall torrent
hp or tough?
Any
narrow frost
k
tall torrent
Not sure about corruption
bold sierra
Avoiding damage (like with ghost) = no stamina
yeah fair enough, I never really looked into that mechanic specifically
you learn sth new every day
veteran isnt exactly my main xD
maybe I'll take Tunnel Vision
could maybe work for stam regen
torpid grotto
You have to eat unnecessary melee hits to accumulate corruption beyond normal
There’s a stinky bonberman
quiet valley
Its uptime is good
tall torrent
If they didn’t copy paste code straight from Ogryn’s payback time it’ll be ok
bold sierra
Just drop deadshot lol
i'm VERY aware, but this isnt exactly a conventional build i'm trying out xD, it's mostly meme, and you gotta take it for what it is lol
just tryna go ScabsAteMyLegs's footsteps here xD
bold sierra
maybe take Killzone? lol
so far I'm testing without killzone, all the breakpoints are pretty on point, so it might be diminishing return if I take it
so far.
quiet valley
It cleans up your breakpoints and is extra dmg against bosses, the Inf Las also has inverse dmg drop off too iirc
bold sierra
yes I have that taken into account, the inverse dmg drop off
extra boss dmg is nice ig
quiet valley
Breakpoints on Havoc are messy anyway with buffs up and down for you and enemies
bold sierra
yes I'm aware, I am testing in a H40 sandbox
tall torrent
There’s like a total of 2 veteran weapons actually worth breakpoint building to some extent in havoc
Both need red nodes for breakpoints
bold sierra
shame they need ability activation, i'm not too big of a fan of inconsistency, at least the middle red node buffs allies too
tall torrent
shame they need ability activation, i'm not too big of a fan of inconsistency, a...
Available on demand means controlled consistency
As opposed to “oops I accidentally blocked a rager attack now my killzone is gone”
bold sierra
As opposed to “oops I accidentally blocked a rager attack now my killzone is gon...
dont get me wrong, I probably do prefer red nodes over killzone xD
tall torrent
Or “man I hope that enemy is at least 27.82m away so longshot can actually do enough damage to change smth”
bold sierra
Available on demand means controlled consistency
I mean I suppose u aint wrong, but given how my teams can be like sometimes, it's pretty hard for "controlled consistency" lol, sometimes u gotta spam VoC as much as you can to not let them die
bold sierra
I once had a vet in H40, he was like Havoc rank 35 or sth and he basically used VoC like...idk, 20-25 times or sth the entirety 40 mins match or something
maybe more, but it was NOT a lot
it was pretty rough for everyone lmao
hollow ibex
was he using revive shout
bold sierra
NO
he was saving it for himself
basically
"teammates losing all toughness? NAH, im saving it for myself"
so tbh, I'd rather use VoC as a mean to support team with healing rather than for my own dps opportunities, tho they can line up no doubt
tall torrent
so tbh, I'd rather use VoC as a mean to support team with healing rather than fo...
Just play like a normal person and use VoC aggressively
narrow frost
#veteran-class message @tall torrent what is this...
it confused a friend of mine
and I have no clue what it is
hollow ibex
old outdated shit
hollow ibex
i think that was back when charge rate
affected actual damage lol
something super cursed like that
tall torrent
"list damage"?
back then charge rate was bugged to affect dmg
and 71% was sweet spot for maximizing dmg so u don't lose breakpoints
because plasma is very stingy on breakpoints
now, u still want that but only for minmax purposes
tall torrent
just saw the new BL4 gameplay deep dive
narrow frost
oh?
tall torrent
might need to postpone guide by another 3 months
narrow frost
lmao
tall torrent
it's from gearbox, 80% chance it'll be dogshit
nah it actually looks pretty cool
a lot of requested features
it's been a rly long time since western developers actually showed long gameplay footage in their promos lol
sullen jackal
is randy pitchford involved at all or
tall torrent
is randy pitchford involved at all or
yes
sullen jackal
rip
tall torrent
he's in the video at the start lol
sullen jackal
maybe still play anyway if they take lessons from tiny tina's wonderland at least
mixing two classes was fun
tall torrent
just watch the deep dive it's actually done pretty well
bold sierra
Just play like a normal person and use VoC aggressively
yeah, that's basically the intention lol
unreal nova
might need to postpone guide by another 3 months
By the time it's out, I'll be gone, isn't it?
steep grail
exe bolter is kino i slept on it for too long
you can really drag your crosshair through a gunner pack and kill 15 immediately
grand perch
gotta say that servoskull mod gale mentioned makes for some atmospheric dark missions
thorn lark
might need to postpone guide by another 3 months
zealot guide finished before yours lmao
bold sierra
exe bolter is kino i slept on it for too long
frfr, it's not even bad in H40
calm shard
it's from gearbox, 80% chance it'll be dogshit
borderlands 3 had a shit story but good gameplay\
grand perch
before i started playing bl3 i read youre better off muting all dialogue, and i wish i had heeded that advice.
calm shard
cutscene skip mod would be more important
woven cove
Game crashed right as I was about to dodge a crusher overhead.
Lol.
crimson wyvern
Is hotshot still bugged and its better to choose blessing alt 1
tame lodge
Yup yup
tame lodge
Can't believe they got Bosco in Atoma
pseudo fiber
Had anyone like reported the hotshot thing
pseudo fiber
Hey kuli take out that second point ehh
woven cove
Watching a veteran use a shredder autopistol as his only weapon.
I haven't seen him use any melee at all.
tame lodge
woven cove
Zealot shooting a bolter at a burster when he is free to just shove.
Feels like the Ogryn on the team is the only one actually playing, and I'm just dead.
steep grail
is it toxic to say if you have voc you really should never get hit by bursters
just had a voc vet get downed by like 3 in a single game
native ocean
unless it's a difficult havoc mission I'd err on the side of not saying anything
or at least be courteous
native ocean
👍
I think I've only spoken up about someone else's atrocious play only once so far, it was a psyker that never, ever switched off assail and got downed like 20 times throughout the mission
steep grail
i used to talk shit a lot but ive realized it isnt worth it and also tilting your teammates isnt gonna help them improve
native ocean
pmuch, it's a waste of time
worse still if you ever get matched up with them again and they remember you and retaliate
steep grail
everyone has a better time if you just take the L sometimes
native ocean
yup
umbral scaffold
everyone has a better time if you just take the L sometimes
It’s also a good way for people to learn from their mistakes. Only way to get better is to fail.
Obviously it’s an issue if someone keeps failing and blames it on everyone else, though 😂
severe jolt
my favorite is the absolute shitters trying to shit-talk in chat
like, you're the only one going down, and the rest of us are the ones that suck?
woven cove
Watching a veteran use a shredder autopistol as his only weapon.
I haven't seen...
Dude is getting swarmed by poxwalkers and still refuses to pull out a melee weapon.
Bruh.
umbral scaffold
my favorite is the absolute shitters trying to shit-talk in chat
like, you're th...
This happens for sure. I never shit talk anyone, but I’ve definitely pushed forward as say, a zealot, having my group with me, only to turn around a few seconds later to find everyone’s moved backwards, leaving me dealing with a horde or something alone.
But that just taught me not to over extend. Hard lesson to learn but it leads to much success!
severe jolt
I don't take this game seriously enough to care if I'm matched with someone who needs to be carried. But people who start shit when they're clearly the worst player by a mile and a half? Screw 'em, they deserve to be made fun of.
spark cipher
I think I've only spoken up about someone else's atrocious play only once so far...
Could've been me if I wasn't using brainburst
teal lance
Would a Hellbore Lasgun + Shovel combo be a bad idea in high difficulty games? Even though I’m pretty sure as long as shredder nades are my primary weapon not much else matters.
unreal nova
before i started playing bl3 i read youre better off muting all dialogue, and i ...
Fanfiction is written better than the base game story.
steep grail
Would a Hellbore Lasgun + Shovel combo be a bad idea in high difficulty games? E...
not really
maybe in h40
but you can definitely make that work in auric mael
tame lodge
Nah you can make it work on h40
steep grail
helbore's essentially just a plasma gun if it was slower to swap to
tame lodge
Literally Helbore Hotshot with shovel is used on havoc
Because Hotshot applies to melee
Shits goofy
pseudo fiber
But you gotta use hotshot 1
faint beacon
Hitmass being the one thing that really makes Havoc feel like a slog
calm shard
Literally Helbore Hotshot with shovel is used on havoc
excellent I shall do this now
also is it bad that I kind of like weapons having blessings that can apply to your other weapons
spark cipher
I do feel like I'm missing something with shovel, or maybe I just like the ogryn shovel way more
hollow ibex
I do feel like I'm missing something with shovel, or maybe I just like the ogryn...
yeah because ogryn in general is way stronger rn lol
spark cipher
Vet Shovel is good tho
yea I just dunno what to really do with it
or I just have a huge bias for devil's claw
quiet valley
Both have similar roles, Shovel is better in Havoc b/c it can apply Skullcrusher for your team
hollow ibex
wouldn't use either in havoc because i need a crutch weapon
quiet valley
smh
spark cipher
Both have similar roles, Shovel is better in Havoc b/c it can apply Skullcrusher...
also why do people say the flip shovels are worse?
quiet valley
If you are full melee build you can kill armor with Uncanny on MK1
I think they are fine if you need to a pinch of extra armor dmg on your build
amber ether
red robin
also why do people say the flip shovels are worse?
havoc has alot of elites that are a death sentence when you are locked in the impale animation
same issue with chain weapons
twilit torrent
As I never touched that weapon before - is there a way to vent with plasma gun without going into a full reload +animation? Saw people do that in videos but dont know how as reload/vent is usually the same button
tame lodge
Special button
twilit torrent
That works, thank you sir
tame lodge
If you're shooting uncharged shots
It'll auto vent at 100% heat
If you're charging shots, it'll detonate at 100 %
twilit torrent
I just noticed myself, that also explains a lot of what I have seen in a certain havoc gameplay video
hollow ibex
Don’t bother with charged shots
neon current
hmm, whats more consistent with exe bolter, crits or flat dmg
every time I pick reciprocity, it ends up being undewhelming
bold sierra
crusher with the steel chair
balmy flume
crusher with the steel chair
Certainly some maliciously coordinated AI there.
bold sierra
Certainly some maliciously coordinated AI there.
indeed
quiet valley
I aint using deadshot on havoc bolter
skill issue
bold sierra
hmm, whats more consistent with exe bolter, crits or flat dmg
legit I play executioner bolter with this build right here, you can basically one-shot headshot every gunner/elite if you tag them a bit, and basiaclly guranteed headshot kill or so in stance, and you really don't even need surgical or crit.
torpid grotto
crusher with the steel chair
Crouching burgle, hidden crusher
quiet valley
Gloryhunter 💀
bold sierra
Gloryhunter 💀
yeah I was just testing it out
it was basically the same 3-4 headshot kills on Crusher anyway so why not, even with brittle
for just a wee bit extra toughness regen lol
neon current
legit I play executioner bolter with this build right here, you can basically on...
surgical shattering
every time I go reciprocity, it ends up giving 10% crit at most
prolly better with knife, but I've played enough knife for a lifetime
quiet valley
Surgical Pinning Fire is my pick for H40, Flak/Unyielding
neon current
I only play havoc
bold sierra
Surgical Pinning Fire is my pick for H40, Flak/Unyielding
Puncture basically rounds out all of my one-shot breakpoints so I like it, plus it helps with boss dmg
so I always got Puncture
bold sierra
Pinning fire is nice but whenever your stacks run out without any enemies around to stagger and u need to one-shot kill this dude but u can't is just annoying to me xD
neon current
you dont need pinning for breakpoints
and shattering sees a lot more value against bosses
bold sierra
yeah, I havented taken pinning for a while
quiet valley
pinning is for Armor waves
bold sierra
shattering imapct is always nice
quiet valley
Shattering doesnt really do anything on boss dmg
bold sierra
not on boss, but on crusher
neon current
I was just wondering how would reciprocity + surgical / cavalvade do high havoc
bold sierra
but I found I basically took the same 3 rounds to kill crusher in H40 with and without shattering impact
quiet valley
Reciprocity with Bolter is a bad pick
bold sierra
so I just opted for another blessing, hence Gloryhunter xD
honestly, I dont bother with crits on bolter on vet
neon current
Reciprocity with Bolter is a bad pick
shattering + close quarter killzone is only there to delete monsters really
bold sierra
for zealot yes, but vet, not necessary
bold sierra
cavalcade is just hard-meme I think xD
neon current
yea, I usually want +100% finesse bonuses to consider investing in crits
bold sierra
surgical shattering
suprised u dont got grenade regen
quiet valley
^ Surgical Pinning
neon current
suprised u dont got grenade regen
I kinda wanted desperado for devil's claw, can just do your build with knife, but meh
bold sierra
^ Surgical Pinning
given how high bolter's dmg is, honestly it really doesnt matter what blessing u take most of the times lol
quiet valley
Why would you not go Deadshot/Surgical, it skyrockets your Crit for nearly no investment
bold sierra
Why would you not go Deadshot/Surgical, it skyrockets your Crit for nearly no in...
cuz I'm already one-shotting every gunner anyway so I guess it's just unnecessary to me I guess, but I have tried it
neon current
because +60% finesse bonus on bolters are not good enough for me
bold sierra
deadshot is great but generally i dont like to have my stamina drained lol
quiet valley
deadshot is great but generally i dont like to have my stamina drained lol
Its so free, the bolter has great dmg per shot, focus target easily outpaces stam drain
quiet valley
I can outpace deadshot XIV Recon las with Focus Target lmao
bold sierra
Its so free, the bolter has great dmg per shot, focus target easily outpaces sta...
if you want to run crit bolter sure, but I mean it's also great without, plus bleed = extra boss dmg xD
quiet valley
they buffed the shit outta it
neon current
you don't really have time to build up stacks under pressure tho
so the stamina regen is null
quiet valley
if you want to run crit bolter sure, but I mean it's also great without, plus bl...
Your pickups
quiet valley
you don't really have time to build up stacks under pressure tho
Focus target can not go under 1 stack
bold sierra
Your pickups <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I do have 60 melee/140 ranged elite kills xD
calm shard
if you want to run crit bolter sure, but I mean it's also great without, plus bl...
I've been running crit bolter with exe
neon current
too many hoops to jump thru to make crit work for me
calm shard
it has so much better boss damage than bleed
neon current
I'm a simple man
calm shard
and bleed doesn't matter much when you one shot everything anyways
I ain't even running FT stamina
quiet valley
It’s 1 talent point and a blessing
calm shard
I'm just quickscoping
quiet valley
You are already taking Focus Target
neon current
oh yea, quickscoping helps a lot
bold sierra
and bleed doesn't matter much when you one shot everything anyways
when you dont stance up it doesnt, bleed finishes off a lot of gunners from my playing. Plus it basically means 1 less shot to kill Reaper
and well, basically crusher, mauler, etc...
quiet valley
Seems overkill to take Suppression node
hollow ibex
3 points spent on reload nodes 
narrow frost
Might be just me but reload isn't that long
Qq when mag touched the gun and do it while sliding
hollow ibex
you can never have enough reload
Could’ve picked up reciprocity while still having tac reload
faint beacon
Might be just me but reload isn't that long
What for Bolter?
narrow frost
Yes
faint beacon
If so hot take its reload is perfectly balanced imo lmao
faint beacon
It hits incredibly hard and the reload isn’t incredibly long
It’s just slightly more than an IAG cause I mean it’s a glorified GL
tall torrent
just tac reload and call it a day
narrow frost
I don't remember where the scoreboard is, but I outdamages 2 ogryn and a purge psyker with the bolter
And I only did the qq when reloading
faint beacon
I’m noticing though plasma and Bolter are like the two solid choices to actually compete with psyker and Ogryn
Everything else you really got to put work in
Or they’re just oblivious players
dry cloak
im seeing a lot less plasma vets these days
hollow ibex
I’m noticing though plasma and Bolter are like the two solid choices to actually...
Such an exciting meta
faint beacon
Plasma is beyond fucking boring to me so I’m mainly using Bolter
dry cloak
same here
faint beacon
That’s my boring meta choice pick of those two
tall torrent
first pick of boring meta is always gonna be recon
dry cloak
if im goig shooty vet im taking my vigil auto
tall torrent
don't have to hit head
faint beacon
Oh yeah true Crit strings lmao
hollow ibex
first pick of boring meta is always gonna be recon
Ugh why did you have to remind me
hollow ibex
Before they repeatedly nerfed bayonet
sharp epoch
I’m noticing though plasma and Bolter are like the two solid choices to actually...
melee vets decent too
faint beacon
melee vets decent too
I mean Rashad is good on everyone
tall torrent
was helbore ever a not meme choice?
limbsplitter + brutal momentum
sharp epoch
ps6 with db to trigger the damage bonus
grand perch
i thank @quiet valley for his laspistol X build for h40 so i dont have to pick reocn plasma bolter anymore 
faint beacon
Certain shovel builds and Powersword are pretty staple melee builds though
tall torrent
shovel still is not good
sharp epoch
I might swap the db with a lethal prox bolt pistol though for long range specials
sharp epoch
i thank <@195524192140132353> for his laspistol X build for h40 so i dont have t...
Its really bad vs the morbian modifier though, esp without a psyler
grand perch
ok
calm shard
Might be just me but reload isn't that long
I wish I could take more reload speed
hollow ibex
Show me
hollow ibex
too expensive
quiet valley
its not good
Plasma could never
sharp epoch
Plasma could never
plasma does way better but still decent
quiet valley
Look at ammo pickups ofc
dry cloak
Plasma could never
i know laspistols are good
i just say the should not do more damage than ilas's
sharp epoch
its meant to be used 😤
ammo being such a limiting factor for a certain subclasses is a balance issue, like psyker is a very strong ranged class with unlimited ammo. why nerf ammo when you give other classes almost unlimited ammo
dry cloak
?
orchid hemlock
shovel still is not good
But I want to roleplay as a kreig
grand perch
No one's stopping you
quiet valley
its meant to be used 😤
Ammo? you mean Rumbler food?
sharp epoch
glumbler build prob uses the most ammo in the game
old prism
Can I also die for the emperor pls 🥺 👉👈
quiet valley
signal cypress
Shredder ap aint bad on vet
austere mica
It’s also a fine sidearm on zealot
vapid thunder
sharp epoch
Shredder ap aint bad on vet
It's just in the meh territory not the best not terrible, like it doesnt do range that well obviously and its pretty ammo hungry, also doesn't synergize with ws that well as a quick pull out
austere mica
It’s the perfect thunder hammer sidearm though
tall torrent
It’s the perfect relic blade sidearm
pseudo fiber
it's perfect
austere mica
Relic has gotten kinda boring so I was doing Ironhelm IJ to try it out
hollow ibex
Shredder ap aint bad on vet
I like it on psyker too
signal cypress
Mhm
Decent fgs sidepiece
void dragon
It feels quite good for how much damage it packs on crits, FGS for full melee, Shredder for mid range and assail for anti sniper work seems like a decent pairing
All tied on a gaze ribbon
hollow ibex
Yeah helps offset the bad mobility of fgs too
narrow frost
And people hated me for saying shredder is good
I've been saying it for the past like 5 months
Smh
😔
tame lodge
Lmao
We're not vindicating you
And I'm not forgetting that SAP was meta, then trash, then good
woven cove
I like using shredder autopistol as a mobility stick with heavy melee weapons. The ability to shoot while sprinting is also useful.
neon current
ook
while I'm not convinced about crit bolter, deadshot deadly accurate bistol slaps HARD
quiet valley
Deadshot gang
lost bay
hey guys, for the devils claw what perks do you put on it?
and blessings
react the poor man
hollow ibex
Don't <:clown_hadron:1067589799361400862> react the poor man
nah. he spammed 3 channels with that question. just giving him what he deserved.
void dragon
i know weapon is garbo, but why are we laughting at the madman that can't search the pins?
tall torrent
hey guys, for the devils claw what perks do you put on it?
and blessings
maniac
flak
shred
rampage
left patrol
do you prefer bolt pistol or boltgun and why chat
hollow ibex
do you run out of ammo on the bolter in five minutes?
tame lodge
Anyways Bistol
hollow ibex
😠
tame lodge
do you run out of ammo on the bolter in five minutes?
3 actually
On my worst days
2 on my best
crimson pebble
do you prefer bolt pistol or boltgun and why chat
both are very good and serve diff purposes
left patrol
both are very good and serve diff purposes
do go on
left patrol
Where was I
over there!
tame lodge
Fast draw time
hollow ibex
bistol?
tame lodge
Bistol
hollow ibex
you mean the gun whose main purpose is to buff my frags?
sleek garden
tame lodge
Command Voicey
lost bay
nah. he spammed 3 channels with that question. just giving him what he deserved.
I didn't know where to ask so I put it in all, my bad guys hahaha
hollow ibex
I didn't know where to ask so I put it in all, my bad guys hahaha
btw most of the info you need can be found in pins
for each class
including weapons blessings/perks
there's guides in the pins
for vet the guide is called hammer of the emprah
bit old, but still relevant
lost bay
Oh sweettt, are the info updated if there's like a patch on something or if something changed om a weapon then they change it in the information?
hollow ibex
there's a new version of the vet guide being worked on
so the one in the pins is a bit old
but it doesn't matter since vet/vet weapons have hardly seen any changes
quiet valley
New Vet weapon 2025 guys
hollow ibex
zealot guide should be up to date
psyker stuff is a bit more scattered since the main guide is very old now
but there's builds, and for non-psyker specific weapons, you can look at the other class guides
lost bay
thanks mann, i appreciate itt
tall torrent
Oh sweettt, are the info updated if there's like a patch on something or if some...
just ask me
tough tiger
bold sierra
I am taking infernus again on my ilas, been playing ghost but basing on scoreboard I'm dealing jack-all boss dmg without infernus :\
hollow ibex
Yo how's the recon lasgun on havoc 40s
well it's the other meta vet weapon for havoc
bold sierra
it is rng reliant with crits, but generally being able to kill a whole Beast of Nurgle with infernus ilas with almost half ammo pool remaining VS spending all ammo with Ghost ilas but only being able to get a Beast of Nurgle down to roughly 15-ish% HP. I think I'll just take Infernus and play a bit safer, help out with boss-killing more xD
left is infernus, right is ghost ofc
bold sierra
Yo how's the recon lasgun on havoc 40s
you dont see it as much as plasma ofc, but it's more than viable
most people just like easy aim shooty with plasma ig :\
manic badger
you dont see it as much as plasma ofc, but it's more than viable
I just need something to specifically target gunners with that's ammo efficient and I figured recon would do the job
bold sierra
I just need something to specifically target gunners with that's ammo efficient ...
it's more than viable for that
hollow ibex
I just need something to specifically target gunners with that's ammo efficient ...
recon las is definitely good for that
bold sierra
wield time
personally I dont think it's too big of a deal, but yes it basicaly has the exact same wield time as bolter lol, and I dont even think bolter's is that bad
most of the times playing helbore, I use the green/blue one with armourbane, basically just mow down into horde, and their bayonet is actually quite respectable too
bold sierra
Whoops power outage
manic badger
I just wish they would speed it up or there was animation cancel tech which are both pipe dreams
It's incredibly ammo efficient but the wield time is so fucked for higher havocs
bold sierra
I meant to say I use hellbore a lot as both horde.clear and elite killing xD
bold sierra
It's incredibly ammo efficient but the wield time is so fucked for higher havocs
i suppose if u use the orange one then it does matter more, but using the other 2 variants with pretty good bayonet attack, I wouldnt really say it's so fucked. If you can manage with bolter, u can manage with this
serene bough
i didnt get the little insignia for rogue trader
sad
i thought we just had to log in on the 30th to get
tall torrent
i didnt get the little insignia for rogue trader
It’s weapon trinket
serene bough
yeah i still dont see it
tall torrent
And it’s shown sideways for some reason
tall torrent
It looks pretty cool
Unfortunately every trinket in this game clips into either weapon or your character’s hand
Or both
austere mica
(That’s because it is)
manic badger
I only ever see vets on 40s running plasma
quiet valley
irrelevant, use LasX hehe
manic badger
then started doing 40s on my vet
quiet valley
Plasma could never
LasX gaming
quiet valley
Laspistol MkX
quiet valley
Flak
manic badger
might try it because I was trying to just pure focus gunners for the team
quiet valley
Tbh the only guns I wouldn't use in H40 are the braced autos, inf autos, shotguns, and shredder AP.
The rest are viable imo
manic badger
this was from a match I just played with the recon and was just beaming specials and the gunners while the ogryn was spamming rumbler into bosses
bout to try the LasX
quiet valley
Here's what I use https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da7999f-314a-47e5-a245-2df66897ac31/ammo-fountain-havoc-40
Can do H40 no ammo pickups
manic badger
Doesn't that pistol have a higher base crit rate as well or am I remembering wrong
quiet valley
yes
quiet valley
Deadshot. uses less stam, hits good breakpoints on Gunners/specials for one shots
manic badger
Deadshot. uses less stam, hits good breakpoints on Gunners/specials for one shot...
Valid
woven cove
The one where you punch and shoot sideways
And somehow miss.
unreal nova
And somehow miss.
Dump collateral. Maybe?
loud belfry
frank ledge
grand perch
That ferret clearly has PTSD indicative of a veteran
native ocean
That ferret is activating his voice of command
twilit torrent
Guide says Plasma Gun should partially dump thermal and charge rate - I now rolled a 60% charge 80% everything else, is this usable as well?
sharp epoch
Guide says Plasma Gun should partially dump thermal and charge rate - I now roll...
Yes if you can deal with the slight delay between each shot
you basically want as much charge rate as possible while being able to hit 8 shots consecutively
which comes out to 70/70ish plus or minus 1
pseudo fiber
68 point something thermal and 71 charge so generally 69 thermal 71 charge
twilit torrent
I see, thanks guys
Probably will have to roll with 60 charge as I returned to the game and dont have infinite resources yet, plasteel/diamantite are easy to get but dockets burn so fast when you try to get the right roll
I heard current curio meta is usually 3x toughness or 2x and 3stam 1x
Perks for vet any different or also mainly gunner res and more toughness/stam regen? As broken as VoC is, I assume we could also go with 3x cd reduction
crimson wyvern
this doesnt stack with revive speed curios does it?
(I know its bad dont take it dont take it its bad)
im just asking about the question
native ocean
no clue but I use the talent on my infil build anyways 😎 fuck the haters
native ocean
I don't think vent purge increases sniper spawns on its own
that only happens in the sniper gauntlet ventilation purge modifier
balmy flume
ITS NOT DAMAGE ITS NOT DAMAGE WAHHH WAHHH 👶
To be fair, I don't see that node working well on Havoc Not be cause of damage, but because at that level if any one person is downed things are poised to go south so fast you won't even get to do the revive...
I can see the benefits for standard/Auric though
(Even though I don't use it)
warm kettle
I personally use it as im the kind of person to SPRING onto downed players, though i dont know if the revive speed is actually THAT helpful
the movement speed thing sounds cool but I'm seldom so far away that it could even matter
balmy flume
I mean, I do to TBH, but I do end up relying on Shout (w/o revive), Frag Spam and Bolter Spam to clear the area a bit, then do the res
To compensate for the longer - well, original - res time.
tall torrent
this doesnt stack with revive speed curios does it?
Does stack
tall torrent
I see, thanks guys
Probably will have to roll with 60 charge as I returned to th...
If you don’t have resources, I recommend 60 thermal because you only lose 1 shot
But having a shorter prefire delay makes it feel a lot better to play
lucid crest
unreal nova
ITS NOT DAMAGE ITS NOT DAMAGE WAHHH WAHHH 👶
Something Field Improv. Also, they stack. Might be overkill though.
crimson wyvern
In my perview Veteran has a bucket ton of stuff I'd expect of zealot
But I think I'm unique in that I view Zealot as the more support guy that Veteran thats a thing I cant really grow out of
unreal nova
In my perview Veteran has a bucket ton of stuff I'd expect of zealot
You mean my Zealot that plays like a no inf ammo Vet.
woven cove
Supporting the team as zealot by destroying everything with a big sword.
Supporting the team as veteran by destroying everything with a smaller sword and a gun.
severe jolt
I look like that and say that
woven cove
I really don't like using knives.
I mean, the speed they give is amazing, but I don't like them as weapons.
unreal nova
I really don't like using knives.
I mean, the speed they give is amazing, but I...
I am fine with them so heh.
stoic thorn
Me fr
severe jolt
https://tenor.com/view/ferret-gif-22266338
Look you may have our hearts and minds with those ferrets but you can't have uh, what else is there actually?
narrow juniper
Hello, do we have any build guide to reference?
i've checked pin already, the compendium is absolutely good but i'm confusing in skill tree to pick the good one
orchid hemlock
Hello, do we have any build guide to reference?
What weapons?
orchid hemlock
Path should have added some examples at the end of the guide, but it might have been removed idk
orchid hemlock
so we should choose weapon first?
Yeah
silk lance
Path should have added some examples at the end of the guide, but it might have ...
Pick Voice of Command plus Duty and Honor. Boom, you're already like 70% of the way there.
narrow juniper
can you explain the playstyle of Commando's tree?
silk lance
Great loadout-agnostic skills that instantly spike your power.
narrow juniper
i dont thinkg i can be a leader lol
orchid hemlock
The what tree?
narrow juniper
The Commando one
silk lance
Is that a thing from before the skill tree rework?
orchid hemlock
What is the commando one?
silk lance
I faintly remember each class (maybe?) having three separate trees on release, but that was forever ago and I pretty much quit right after release date
Only came back a few months ago
narrow juniper
oh sorry, Weapons's specialist
orchid hemlock
oh sorry, Weapons's specialist
That's still pretty vague, lots of weapons work with WS
narrow juniper
in the doc's sheet from Pin, i saw it was called as commando
narrow juniper
The purple keystone skill?
yes, the WS
orchid hemlock
Are you asking for a build and doesn't matter what the build is trying to do?
silk lance
Tbh weapons specialist is kinda peepeedoodoo imo
narrow juniper
i just see a player who played with smoke and control the Sniper behind the smoke
orchid hemlock
Tbh weapons specialist is kinda peepeedoodoo imo
WS is probably the best keystone rn
narrow juniper
that's all i can describe
silk lance
WS is probably the best keystone rn
I'm just saying I personally don't care for it
The veteran is already pretty strong. You don't really need a keystone if you'd rather have more passive perks
orchid hemlock
Vet is probably the weakest class atm, it really needs a rework for the keystones 💀
silk lance
That just sounds like a skill issue dawg 💀
narrow juniper
If these thing is hard to guide me, i think i want to pick: Power blade + Recon Lasgun as my main combo
silk lance
Recon Lasgun is definitely a popular meta pick.
orchid hemlock
That just sounds like a skill issue dawg 💀
No I'm a Vet main and I run duo level 40 havocs
I can say that the other classes have more flexibility and horde control for their builds
narrow juniper
Recon Lasgun is definitely a popular meta pick.
wow 😄
orchid hemlock
Vet's only strength in havoc is specialist killing
silk lance
Get the highest firerate mark and the Onslaught perk, and it can melt through pretty much anything if you got the ammo
And the hipfire is good so you can just hose down gunners and snipers from your hip
narrow juniper
It sounds nice!
orchid hemlock
Get the highest firerate mark and the Onslaught perk, and it can melt through pr...
Onslaught is a bait on Recon
It's good, but it's counterproductive on how you actually use the gun
Recon is an excellent specialist killer, not a crusher killer
narrow juniper
How about the tree? can you help me just 1 example to ref
silk lance
You can definitely hose down a crusher if it's out of your reach yet threatening a teammate who wandered too far ahead
orchid hemlock
How about the tree? can you help me just 1 example to ref
This is what I use on a WS build: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
This is not a havoc build btw
thick hedge
has anyone tested brittleness vs unyielding? how much is the damage increase?
orchid hemlock
has anyone tested brittleness vs unyielding? how much is the damage increase?
Brittle is better for the team
narrow juniper
This is not a havoc build btw
i think i can not go into Havoc this time
i should max out level first
silk lance
This is what I personally bring into auric missions. The exact weapons don't matter: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ed0e751-a6cf-4940-b4ae-653427ff0915/brainless-chill?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
narrow juniper
Yes, thank you all of you.
i will take a look ❤️
raw needle
This is what I personally bring into auric missions. The exact weapons don't mat...
yo i think your talents got shifted exactly one aura to the right
also not taking ws when you're 1 point away from it in a dedicated melee build is kinda weird
hollow ibex
you could prob drop determined for reciprocity
hollow ibex
also not taking ws when you're 1 point away from it in a dedicated melee build i...
nah that's fair on recon las
orchid hemlock
yo i think your talents got shifted exactly one aura to the right
no thats perfectly fine
this I dont understand
raw needle
nah that's fair on recon las
ye but then there's no free crits or ammo aura?
orchid hemlock
also u dont take this for some reason
busted talent
it's like am mini WS stacked on top of the WS u already have
hollow ibex
ye but then there's no free crits or ammo aura?
the crit is on only one shot, basically useless on recon las
ammo aura isn't necessary for recon las anyway
raw needle
im pretty sure recons have crit strings of 2
hollow ibex
also u dont take this for some reason
true, AE is a good pickup
orchid hemlock
it's good in havoc because long game modes get more value out of it
hollow ibex
even ify ou don't take WS
raw needle
well ok i can get behind ammo aura but 2 nodes instead of actual talents is weird
orchid hemlock
the main reason u take SURV is for the frags tbh,
hollow ibex
true
raw needle
i take surv cause there's gonna be 3 ogryns in the team
hollow ibex
surv isn't going to be enough for 3 ogryns 😭
raw needle
its the least you can do
orchid hemlock
yeah surv is way overestimated after the nerf, it gives you about 1 large ammo pack per game on average (20-30 minutes)
raw needle
actual vet meta
raw needle
yeah surv is way overestimated after the nerf, it gives you about 1 large ammo p...
for 4 people
orchid hemlock
for 4 people
that's not exactly true either, because not everyone needs the ammo
also, if zealots for example only uses their flamer in specific situations, u might overcap
this also doesn't account to an ammo drop
because it gives u 100% ammo
dry cloak
before one dog wave was half of ammo back
orchid hemlock
surv's value is consistently giving u ammo not the total really
raw needle
before one dog wave was half of ammo back
it still is a load of ammo tbh
orchid hemlock
that's why it's strong in havoc where u are bogged down for minutes at a time
if you are going thru the run smoothly, u just pick up ammo
hollow ibex
before one dog wave was half of ammo back
that was obviously op, but i think surv got overnerfed
dry cloak
yeah before surv nerf dog missions were really likes mostly because you could just shoot for whole of the match
dry cloak
that was obviously op, but i think surv got overnerfed
would changing it from 1% on 5 sec dooldown to 3% on 5 sec cooldown too much of a buff
on bolter it not gice you 3 ammo instead of 1
orchid hemlock
would changing it from 1% on 5 sec dooldown to 3% on 5 sec cooldown too much of ...
the problem is that 5% is insanely high
even if u put the cooldown on it
dry cloak
the problem is that 5% is insanely high
3% not 5%
orchid hemlock
i still think 3% is too high
orchid hemlock
the problem is that the cooldown is inconsistent
orchid hemlock
u might have a huge wave of elites coming in when u have the cooldown, and nothing when it's off
raw needle
would probably be higher on havocs with more elite density
orchid hemlock
maybe, have something like every person on the team has an individual cooldown
that way it rewards you for killing elites quickly for eveyrone
orchid hemlock
this one looks better
sparse spawns benefit the new survivalist
gilded wraith
If I run a bleed focused build (flechette double barrel, shredder grenades) would it be worth it to add serrated blade? Or is it just too weak of a talent?
hollow ibex
If I run a bleed focused build (flechette double barrel, shredder grenades) woul...
That’s literally my build
steep grail
i think chainswords have it?
void dragon
In their active? I don't recall if they do but I think Caxes have something like that
native ocean
don't you need a blessing for that?
void dragon
Yeah, knifes apply with no blessings?
native ocean
no, I don't think so, there's a blessing that applies bleeding on non weakspot hits and another that applies bleeding on critical hits
normal bay
I think you need a blessing or tree node for bleed on weapons
Nothing has it innately
steep grail
yeah i don't believe knives just innately bleed
native ocean
there's a few talents that also cause melee to apply bleed on hit but no weapon procs bleed by default
steep grail
if they did the blessings wouldn't exist
i think chainswords and knives are the only ones who can get bleed through blessings
dry cloak
chain weapons as a whole have bloodletter iirc
steep grail
evis doesn't
normal bay
Pretty sure it has bloodletter
steep grail
evis has bloodletter???
dry cloak
if someone can check it please
steep grail
i need to use that weapon more
dry cloak
with photo evidence
normal bay
It's just not that useful on it tbh
narrow frost
Evis can bleed
And maybe all chain weapons
Might be wrong on that
I don't use chaxe or chain sword
normal bay
Chaxe has bloodletter 100%
dry cloak
thx
dry cloak
becuase noone using it
steep grail
very true
narrow frost
Bloodletter is really only used on IJ builds if you aren't running shred
For the guaranteed crit for crusher/mauler 1 shot
void dragon
I cry for how bad the reving is on most chain weapons, coolest part of the weapon and is so unrewarding
narrow frost
Bloodletter is really only used on IJ builds if you aren't running shred
I retract this statement, I thought we were talking about bloodthirsty
Bloodletter bad
dry cloak
chainsword an chaxe bloodletter is better
normal bay
Does bloodletter even work on non-activated hits now?
tame lodge
Nuh uh
normal bay
Couldn't get any bleeding from chaxe IV lights in psychanium
dry cloak
it needs to be revved
calm shard
i think chainswords and knives are the only ones who can get bleed through bless...
shotguns and bolt weapons do too
Flechette/Puncture
grand perch
I roled a plasma with a 67% heat resistence
this does not please the @tired egret
sullen jackal
oh right you want 69% heat resistance don't you
nice and hot 
yes this is how i remembered it
tame lodge
vernal ermine
this does not please the <@658630856222572547>
Hold on... i thourght it was 68%?
loud falcon
Chainsword dump stat?
normal bay
Chainsword dump stat?
Mobility
normal bay
Is there a better chainsword of the two?
XIIIg imo
loud falcon
God bless
normal bay
The IV(?) does so little damage without the rev
calm shard
Is there a better chainsword of the two?
XIIIg is better, both are likely the worst melee in the game
stoic jetty
Which combat knife mark do you guys use? VI or III?
calm shard
VI
steel lagoon
XIIIg is better, both are likely the worst melee in the game
taxe improved that much?
calm shard
taxe is good on psyker and zealot
void dragon
Vet melee options are quite lacking due minimal flat melee damage bonuses
spark cipher
I find it funny that the iconic 40k guns like the bolt pistol and plasma gun are amazing while the iconic melee (chain swords) suck balls
cobalt lance
Chain sword sucks balls?
What about eviseractor?
I'm unfamiliar with the meta
I just click heretic heads
tame lodge
What about eviseractor?
Evis3 sucks
Evis15 is goated but has it's problems
tame lodge
Chain sword sucks balls?
On psyker and veteran you have better options
On zealot, the Xiiig is hidden op
Evis3 sucks so much that the Xiiig is better
cobalt lance
How so
spark cipher
How so
besides the chain rev attack taking forever to perform and not stunning what you hit (meaning they can hit you to disrupt it or force you to dodge and cancel it anyways) evis can only damage 4 enemies per swing iirc
frank basin
Evis3 sucks
Evis15 is goated but has it's problems
Problem?
frank basin
Rev increase the cleave yeah?
tame lodge
From 4 to 6
frank basin
Not bad
frank basin
Wrath blessing can help it
tame lodge
Nope
frank basin
Rev light just with bloodthirsty
tame lodge
Cleave blessings don't change the damage cap
frank basin
Yeah wrath just increasing cleave not damage along with it
Memeing rev move speed and bloodthirsty
tame lodge
What was the other thing about Evis 3 being bad
Oh yeah the cleave modifier against maniacs
frank basin
The push horde cleave
Is always push cleave
What’s your opinion on relic because they don’t have some braindead move set. @tame lodge
frank basin
Make sense people hate brain dead move set
Only me liked
Mk15 Evis and mk12 chainaxe
All braindead moveset
frank basin
Even ds4 and mk4 dclaw
frank basin
That's the funny part though
You can light attack spam against hordes with the ...
The only thing I almost like the relic blade mk10 if they don’t have the poke on third attack
The fgs second mark one is also braindead moveset light horde clear and heavy single target
I use a lot of it
Push attack is great poke attack
Relic I almost liked but didn’t like the 3rd pattern poke
void dragon
Relic I almost liked but didn’t like the 3rd pattern poke
Why you don't like it? Isn't that poke good for headshooting that rager/mauler in the middle of the horde?
frank basin
Why you don't like it? Isn't that poke good for headshooting that rager/mauler i...
I like the push attack does the poke, it didn’t like light attack pattern disrupt trash mob killing it make bad timing
hollow ibex
The only thing I almost like the relic blade mk10 if they don’t have the poke on...
It’s great for mixed hordes
And block cancel prevents the poke
frank basin
Nah I like simple moveset
I don’t want to memorize move set
Mental gymnasium
I play variety loadout hard to track memorize moveset this and that
hollow ibex
Nah I like simple moveset
It’s already brain dead simple
You could even just light spam for hordes
Doesn’t matter much
frank basin
It’s already brain dead simple
I did said I like braindead weapon
I replace skin of Evis 15 to relic blade head
I like relic if they don’t have the poke on third swing
hollow ibex
Hardly matters and it’s good for mixed hordes
void dragon
Poke the pox walker, you still have some great swings to clean hordes
frank basin
Well like fgs the after push and poke is my simple action I do when come crusher or ragers
On ragers
What’s first heavy attack on mk10 relic blade?
Overhead? Poke?
atomic void
frank basin
Tell me does the relic blade stagger elite on light attack?
And I will consider add on my list
Not count with poke; because I know poking does stagger
sullen jackal
Tell me does the relic blade stagger elite on light attack?
on or off. also why is this in veterean not zealot
frank basin
What about eviseractor?
It was start from this
frank basin
on or off. also why is this in veterean not zealot
Off
On work like increase cleave and damage similar to power sword
sullen jackal
ok
the answer is probably no because when off, the relic blade is a plastic lightsaber and does literally nothing
also because the actual answer is probably "try it yourself" because this is not something trivially answerable without trying it
hollow ibex
the answer is probably no because when off, the relic blade is a plastic lightsa...
It’s not that bad. You’re describing the power sword
The relic blade is actually usable when unpowered
tame lodge
the answer is probably no because when off, the relic blade is a plastic lightsa...
"if she breathes, She's a heretic"
sullen jackal
Not like foam noodle
well yeah you can still club a heretic to death but it's uncomfortable :p
frank basin
Hmmmm
hollow ibex
Uncharged it’ll still do fine against hordes and human sized elites
unreal nova
the answer is probably no because when off, the relic blade is a plastic lightsa...
Wot. You absolutely can still kill with the unpowered relic. GL with the PS.
I guess you can kill groaners in like 5 hits?
shadow dagger
people out here putting encroaching garden final toll in party finder
narrow frost
me