veteran-class

[calm shard]

it's what the monster hunter series does to make hit detection feel better in MP

if you hit the monster on your screen, lag be damned you hit the monster wherever the fuck it is currently

Now as far as I know Darktide is actually the odd one out as far as the game having hit detection be server sided

[spark cipher]

no reason not to unless fat shark is planning a versus mode for this game

[calm shard]

i can't immediately think of another coop game that has non-regs like this

Other than Vermintide but that feels unnecessary to mention

Most coop games favor client side hit detection because cheaters in PvE games are rare

[quiet valley]

Almost any gun you can run Deadshot on now since they buffed it for no reason

[calm shard]

I use it on builds that can't afford to go to reciprocity and use their gun a lot

so uh

exe stance only basically

Deadshot is much cheaper to get than Reciprocity for gun builds so you can juice your damage more, and it's less annoying to activate if you need the crits for your guns performance

[quiet valley]

Deadshot amazing talent, stamina = dmg

[calm shard]

yeah but vet stamina is also your lifeline in hordes

so

if you have the awareness or dodge capability for it to not kill you it works out

[quiet valley]

idk i been 9 stam gaming in H40 and it works out fine

[calm shard]

I have been using it with only 3 stamina and it has also been working fine

[quiet valley]

Deadshot recon H40 ^

this bad boi

[loud belfry]

I think fatshark just hopes we grin and bear the networking issues because they might not know how to fix it or if they do they know it's super hard

[grand perch]

what would you rather have, spending dev time on new content or trying to fix networking without guaranteed success for at least 1 year or so

[hollow ibex]

It’s still a niche talent

[loud belfry]

i want to say "fix networking" but idk, if it doesnt get fixed and they're just wasting their time then obviously they might as well not try

but the networking is a severe issue. like it's basically part of the game's features

which is okay for the fact that dodging is highly dependent on your latency. but it's not so okay with the fact that shooting enemies is fickle if you hit in the extremes of their hitbox vs their physical movement (due to latency)

[woven cove]

Had a dog jump into me (there was a teammate behind me) while I was infiltrated and it got stopped mid jump.

[grand perch]

quite fast h40, flamer psyker cleared the field but i approve this build anyway

[void dragon]

What guns apart from inferno recon want that perk? Honestly stamina regen on vet is so miserable even with stamina regen curious

[quiet valley]

Focus Target regens stam on kill just mark and kill

[cunning haven]

oh great shark of fat. hear my cries. hear my plea. grant me a bayonet with the Emperor's blessing of speed. return my beloved stabby stab to me and i will serve mankind with glee

[void dragon]

That would be keystone, but what guns want it too? Recon makes sense to put burn on everything instantly, but have you tried something else with it?

[spark cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/ifuckinlovefibreoptic-gif-7749295334661135015

[void dragon]

ObeseFish hears your cries and recorded them for it's amusement as his ringtone

[quiet valley]

Any guns with Crit blessings usually pair well

[void dragon]

Hellbore?

[quiet valley]

Actually Deadshot is bait on Helbore, you spend more time aiming than firing b/c charge time

[cunning haven]

such terrible cruelty. i don't want to be enslaved to the meta. i pray for the great shark of fat to become bored of my misery

[void dragon]

I wonder what would be the most optimal setup for that minigame of stamina trade for crit that ObeseFish seems to want for a build in veteran

[tame lodge]

Hey
No eating that type of fiber

[void dragon]

Prob no meta but I wonder

[void dragon]

Fish bites line
You get error 2001

[tame lodge]

Either MMF or FT nodes that replenish stamina

[void dragon]

Have to give that a try at least a little, wonder if there is something that can be used and could feel "good"

[grizzled pebble]

Lol that's me.

[tall torrent]

Give veteran better stamina regen delay

[void dragon]

Even with regen stamina curio perks it feels like carp

Why is so SLOW?!

[tall torrent]

Because veteran base regen rate is 1/s, same as psyker and ogryn

So at max stam regen rate you get 1.36/s

Zealot default is 1.5/s and with triple stamina regen rate u get 2.04/s

[void dragon]

But psyker stamina regenerates even between dodge slides because is so fast! Why veteran is so bad at keeping the jogging speed?

[spark cipher]

Psyker's regen delay is 0.5s before it starts regenning
veteran and ogryn have a 1s delay
zealot has 0.75s delay

[void dragon]

Does the veteran have something else that uses its stamina to fuel a gameplay minigame within it?

[tall torrent]

U cope with target down and duck & dive

[spark cipher]

deadshot

[void dragon]

That's for stamina regen, the only one that consumes it is deadshot? Do you have knowledge of how bad a build would be making use of it?

[tall torrent]

Deadshot requires investment

Extra talent spendings to cope with stamina

Extra stamina curios

[gilded wraith]

Deadshot makes my face hurt.... after I flub a poxburster push.

[tall torrent]

The first lowers your dps outside of ranged weapon most of the time

The second lowers your defences most of the time

Neither are worth it in majority of cases imo

The highest crit synergy ranged weapons aren’t even finesse orientated

[gilded wraith]

Cruel esthetic joke of it.

[tall torrent]

The actual highest crit synergy ranged weapon is DB shotgun with manstopper and flechette

[gilded wraith]

I have no clue how esthetic got in there.

I need a good chainaxe db build btw Path.

[tall torrent]

Deadshot runs into a stone wall issue where it’s placed on the class with the worst stamina management overall

It’s not like Ogryn’s concentrate + slam where ogryn has a lot of stamina and can even go stamina positive even with a talent that drains stamina similar to deadshot

[tall torrent]

I don’t play chainaxe

[void dragon]

The MMF perk that regen stamina doesn't work either?

[tall torrent]

Ranged weakspot kill

That’s the issue

[gilded wraith]

But vroom!

[tall torrent]

U have 3 stamina regen talents

One only works from dodging ranged attacks

The other two are kill based

Ogryn’s slam is hit based

Hit based is pretty much always gonna be better than kill based

[void dragon]

So that style that ObeseFish wanted to promote in stamina management these perks is dead on arrival?

[tall torrent]

this "stamina minigame" doesn't work well for vet in its current implementation

way too much investment for the reward

[gilded wraith]

Which crit talents would you recommend for flechette/manstopper db?

[tall torrent]

I don’t like how noisy chain weapons are

[tall torrent]

Weapon specialist

That’s it

[gilded wraith]

Or just ws and modifier

Gotcha.

[tall torrent]

And reciprocity

[void dragon]

So for crit the one way vet have without interacting with it's own crappy stamina regen is the reciprocity

[tall torrent]

U don’t need deadshot but u can take it if u feel like it

DB has like no specific talent spec requirement

Besides always prepared

[void dragon]

For recon las and Inf Autogun is worth taking?

[tall torrent]

Taking what

Deadshot?

[void dragon]

Ye

[tame lodge]

You would love the shredding SFX bug

[tall torrent]

If u want to meme with +9 stamina and tank your toughness, sure

[tame lodge]

(loud metal scrapping)

[grand perch]

oh hi

[tame lodge]

Also they tweaked the chainswords (big and small) rev sound a little

It's funny

[tall torrent]

If u take +9 stamina u lose basically at least 47.6 toughness

[void dragon]

Like I need more reasons to dislike veteran and wish for an ogryn size rework for them

[tall torrent]

U decide if deadshot meme is worth ~48 toughness

[void dragon]

(spoilers: is not)

[orchid hemlock]

Me

Me me me ✋🏻

[quiet valley]

Its really not that much, Vet is wet paper already in H40

Whats the TTK on a vet between +9 stam and +51 toughness for a shooter in H40 anyway

[orchid hemlock]

When ur locked into a corner by 20 Bullwalks and a beast

What will save you?

The 9+ stamina

Or the 48 toughness

That's right

Neither 😈

[quiet valley]

shout and pray

[tame lodge]

Scab shooter without fall off is like 35 damage per shot or something

And I don't think it has damage multiplier against toughness

Did they remove the extra attack speed, the extra shot per barrage, both or neither?

I'm going with neither

So

A normal scab shooter would fire 3 times

[orchid hemlock]

Me .0000000001 seconds not in cover

[tame lodge]

Let's say no fall off

So it's 35 times 3

105 damage

But now let's add the extra shots from Havoc

The max they get is times 2.25

So ~6.75 shots

Whatever the decimals mean

200+ damage per barrage

(no fall off that is)

[tall torrent]

Shooters don’t have barrage

Stalkers have barrage

[tame lodge]

So the barrage thing on havoc only applies to stalkers?

Stalkers have less damage per shot but they have a toughness damage multiplier

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah with fall off it's like 94 damage

Assuming you're at max distance so the fall off works

[tall torrent]

What

[tame lodge]

By barrage I meant 2-3 shots that the shooters have

[trim badger]

They're asking what exactly does emperor fading light change

[tame lodge]

Not the burst fire from the stalkers

And the havoc modifier states X more shots per barrage

So like do shooters have barrage or not

[tall torrent]

Shooters straight up don’t have a burst fire mode

[tall torrent]

Permanent high intensity
No toughness grace period

[tame lodge]

Yeah yeah I know that

[trim badger]

The changes done to stalkers/gunners/reapers

(and shotgunners)

[tall torrent]

Can’t recall atm

[trim badger]

Yeah we're in the same position LOL

[tame lodge]

I guess this is just some wording miscommunication atp

[trim badger]

I know in 1.0 they fired faster and stalkers fired for longer

But I think they just removed the extra firerate?

[tame lodge]

Hold on
Havoc shooters have more shots than Nurgle blessed shooters lmao

[trim badger]

Nurgle blessed shooters are supposed to shoot more? Jesus Christ I haven't played Auric for so long

[narrow frost]

dont trust this man

@quiet valley

he kills his teammates

[tame lodge]

Nurgle blessed ranged enemies shots are doubled

A gunner would usually fire 40 shots

A NB gunner shoots 80

Also increased attack speed animation by 20%

Wait what sparkled this whole investigation thing

Oh yeah

Toughness vs Stamina against havoc shooters

Yeah?

Well, something along those lines

What was the number of toughness lost

~48 toughness

[tall torrent]

~48 in base game

[tame lodge]

Base vet is 100 toughness right?

[tall torrent]

~32 in max havoc scaling

[tame lodge]

And havoc debuff is flat -45 iirc

[tall torrent]

Yes
Plus 15 and usually at least one 25 from tree

So normally 140 for base game, 95 for havoc

Two 17% toughness curios is 34%

[tame lodge]

Well without accounting for TDR and if my accounts are right

[tame lodge]

You could tank this

But I doubt my math is right since I'm just sketching as I go

No TDR involved and shit like that

[tall torrent]

You should calculate with TDR involved

[tame lodge]

That's the thing, I do not remember how tdr is calculated

💀

Plus I don't really have time to deep dive into this math rn

You probably posted how damage taken is calculated, right?

So I could always search from:path later

[tall torrent]

Player damage taken? No

[tame lodge]

Ah I see

[tall torrent]

I’ve been tweaking pc settings past 2 weeks

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah
The pc you got from your friend

But I think psyker chat has the formula somewhere

They were calculating surviving overheads

This does remind me that old Ogryn had 5 base toughness on havoc

💀

[quiet valley]

🫃 Mutie L

[midnight totem]

you know

I'm starting to feel executor more on knife then mercy killer

[hollow ibex]

They both suck

Lacerate gang 💪 🩸

[midnight totem]

lacerate deez

[red robin]

Ain’t like

Executor broken

Nvm

It’s that the tiers is just 5% power regardless up to 25%

[midnight totem]

define broken

[red robin]

tier 1-4 is just 5% stacking to 25% regardless of tier

That’s what broken abt it

Tier 1 is the same as tier 4

I’d assume tier 4 works as intended

[hollow ibex]

I think they just changed the description

[red robin]

Oh tier 4 is listed to be 6% to 30% but it’s just 5% to 25%

[hollow ibex]

Like they did with unstable power

[midnight totem]

oh

[tame lodge]

Well the good news is that you can whiff with executor

Unlike shred and Wrath

[midnight totem]

Sure

[digital oxide]

Hello there, first time playing Veteran. Anyone who has the mood and time to check my build and make it better maybe ?

[hollow ibex]

Just post

[digital oxide]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9ecb4f23-fc55-43d1-bedf-e0da36f4238b

[hollow ibex]

On recon las don’t take crit hit damage

And headhunter

Take crit chance or a damage perk

And dumdum

And try this instead if you want to run ES recon las

[midnight totem]

Headhunter no good anymore on recon lases?

[hollow ibex]

Sorry but that build needs a lot of work

[hollow ibex]

Well don’t really need it with reciprocity

And dumdum being really good

[midnight totem]

Fair enough. I usually use either deadshot and slip n slide or headhunter for crit builds

[digital oxide]

never played with focus target

well will give it a go

[hollow ibex]

You don’t even need FT tbh

But MMF doesn’t do much for recon las

So people usually go either FT or no keystone

Both are very valid for recon

[digital oxide]

i have played for like 20 matches and i honestly. I still hear the recon fire even when taking a break

non-stop laser show

i even maniged to be in ex stance for like 12 min straith

then i run out of enemies

and was low on ammo

xD

[hollow ibex]

Make sure to use your melee too. Melee is important on vet

[digital oxide]

As a Zealot since Vermintide 2 i wanted to try guns but noted

[sharp epoch]

below havoc melee is optional for recon vet

[sharp epoch]

Best gun build would be twinkstubber on ogryn tbh, it's more fun and more gun

[tall torrent]

Twin stubber is identity crisis

[hollow ibex]

Ehhhhh wouldn’t say that

[red robin]

Saving ammo is optimal anytime

[hollow ibex]

You help your team by taking less ammo

[red robin]

Also what’s cooler

Shooting a mauler, or making him trip on the basketball court with your fancy footwork

[digital oxide]

On Ogryn i have shield and kickback. So i am just heavy attack spamming and taunting all around me. Never was fun of big boy tho

Thank you tho Blubbery

[tall torrent]

Play pickaxe

[lusty ether]

I also quite like shovel

specifically le brutey poop shovel

more or less does everything

[uncut pebble]

That's because shield is boring as hell.

And so is kickback.

Try branx and gg with a heavy hitter build.

You can oneshot crushers and still have gg as a pocket sniper rifle.

[hollow ibex]

The picks in general are

[faint beacon]

Vet QP Knife I found

[narrow frost]

me

sorryu

[uncut pebble]

Wait where is this blue weapons mod? It looks much better than red weapons.

[grizzled pebble]

No it was me.

[narrow frost]

nope

me

[void dragon]

Shield being called boring when it was our reliable friend together with kekback and rock, people really are not grateful for the good things in ogryn life

[red robin]

so true

[uncut pebble]

It's the most boring weapon in the game, bar mk1 dclaw.

[red robin]

mk1 dclaw is something i wouldnt wish on my worst enemy

[uncut pebble]

I genuinely had more fun with pre rework clubs than I ever did with shield.

[red robin]

hows the shield gameplay of ogyrn compared to kruber sword and shield?

or mace and shield

[void dragon]

Shield has insane stagger potential to hold a line while not surrendering ground easily, a really strong push, near infinite cleave with H2 and the man is telling me it's a boring weapon

[red robin]

i like clobbering people with the shield on vt2

[uncut pebble]

Kruber weapons involving shields are actually fun and engaging because you have more than 1 good attack.

[red robin]

footknight my beloved

so true

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, it's good, but it's fucking boring.

[red robin]

kruber is my stim character

OI!!!

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-warpfire-skaven-clan-skryre-warpfire-thrower-gif-12960378359470831154

[void dragon]

Push attack with shield now is really solid due the brittleness perk on shove

Good way to stack many debufs and bleed

[red robin]

lmao

one day ill make an ogyrn

i have 3/4 for all penances for each class

[faint beacon]

it is the red weapons mod I just changed the color

Having the basic Knowledge of RGB Code is nice

[red robin]

is that an option on the mod?

[orchid hemlock]

[red robin]

reminds me of the ultra tier on peregrinaje mod of vt2

[faint beacon]

You can change it to be white, orange, purple, whatever you're feeling as long as you can tweak the RGB Code

Admittedly makes the inventory look nice

[uncut pebble]

I had no idea it had a function like this lol.

[red robin]

what's a fake 3 stamina curio?

if the curio isn't over 400 once its fully upgraded?

or if its under 400 when its green

[austere mica]

Curio power number is static

If it’s a 400 it’s a fake

[red robin]

so thats a fake?

[austere mica]

Fake

Weep

[red robin]

but this is a real one?

[austere mica]

Yes

Also

Don’t take bcr

[red robin]

🙂

i was demo'ing it with the claw

[austere mica]

Making sure

[red robin]

i usually just keep it as sprint efficiency/revive speed or ordo dockets

[austere mica]

Not much better

[red robin]

shrug

[austere mica]

Imagine taking full damage from gunners

[red robin]

yeah

i dont mind em

if i die, i die

skill issue on my part

[dreamy scaffold]

skill issue is getting hit to start

[red robin]

I see gunner, i shoot em, dont need resists if im on my A-game aiming

[dreamy scaffold]

dont need resists if you dodge

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-mista-shoot-rebound-reversal-gif-19778757

this is how i fight gunners

[tame lodge]

Mista, stop shooting the window

[red robin]

darktide hit registration is screwing him over

[calm shard]

does this apply to myself

[red robin]

no

basically you waste ammo and steal toughness from allies to give them 20% dmg for 3 seconds

fun but in a min max frame point goes elsewhere better

[calm shard]

be a lot cooler if it applied to me too

[red robin]

yeahhh

a man can dream

[golden flicker]

anyone got a good tip on dealing more damage as vet? i am running plasma gun and duel sword but i seem to be lacking in the damage department

[hollow ibex]

If you want to easily top frag, play literally any other class

[hollow ibex]

If you want to put in a lot of work, sweat your balls off, and maybe keep up with a bad psyker, run frag power sword melee build or bolter ES (while taking all the ammo)

[tall torrent]

Power sword

[valid steeple]

what is the perfect stats for the plasma gun again?

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

[hollow ibex]

#veteran-class message

Plasma stuff just needs to get pinned 😭

[narrow frost]

it is

literally in the path guide

[hollow ibex]

Or have the stupid hadron bot say something

[hollow ibex]

Too many clicks for most people prob

And tbf that’s a bit out of date

[tall torrent]

I asked Kuli for zealot and psyker melee weapons’ icons

Maybe I’ll add them as extras

[potent lichen]

What's a good melee weapon to pair with a helbore on a ranged Vet?

Right now I'm using one of the folding shovels

[gilded wraith]

I like a good horde clear like rashad.

[hollow ibex]

power sword, taxe, or hsword

assuming you're going exec stance

i find with helbore builds it's hard to reach trench fighter

[lost frigate]

i prefer shovel or dueling sword

hellebore with cri build, cri = no ammo consumed talent and survivalist literally no need to pick ammo

except the mk that slashing bayonet special atk, bayonet charge is almost as fast as sprint, for saving the stamina for deadshot build

[hollow ibex]

DS isn’t really a great match for helbore imo

Both are weapons intended for single target deletion

[sharp epoch]

me and my fellow psyker

[gritty mural]

least inconvenient daemon host spawn location

[hollow ibex]

damn

i didn't even know that's possible lol

kinda fucked up

[calm shard]

getting real tired of losing havoc runs where me with exe stance bolter built entirely for my gun has more melee damage than all 3 other people

[sullen jackal]

this is why melee catcher should be a position people actively take :c

catcher: tries to get as many enemies as possible snared in melee with them

(damage is optional)

[grand perch]

Life as exec vet in havoc 40 is so much more pleasant with a tauntgryn

[tough tiger]

uh mods

[sullen jackal]

i

what

that is so incomprehensible as spam I don't even

[grand perch]

Has anyone ever really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

[sullen jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/214523406727512065/1364664416632573952/image0.gif

[grand perch]

piemations

[sullen jackal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1gnBgfQdgE for animations ya

[cerulean ridge]

Ugh, this teaches you all the wrong lessons, but it works really well in mortis trials

(just trying to complete the class penances, not running this on the regular)

[tall torrent]

Combo flowchart version 7.5

Probably final

[grand perch]

Camouflage is fine, it's my preferred choice on mmf.

[cerulean ridge]

yeah it works like a charm in the trials, not sure how viable this is for regular missions where you - usually - are better off keeping on the move

[grand perch]

Task bar with centered program icons, you absolute degenerate

[tall torrent]

That’s win11 default

I’m doing this part on windows

Too lazy to try to use libreoffice on Linux

Actually

[cerulean ridge]

yeah we know, it's just that win11 - by default - is a PoS too

[tall torrent]

Might give it minor update

[grand perch]

I know, you can move it to where it belongs, in the corner

[tall torrent]

In light/ heavy transition that don’t go both ways

Prob will change the color of those arrows

[dry cloak]

im gonna keep win10 as long as i can

[tall torrent]

But the rest prob staying the same

[tall torrent]

Am too lazy

I did 4 weapons in newest format so far

[grand perch]

What is heavy C in this context? Continued?

[tall torrent]

Combo

It’s an attack that’s only accessible with a specific combo

I changed parts’ outline color to indicate what specific combo it belongs to

So push attack is entirely pink now

Push is entirely red now

Special attack chains are entirely purple now

The only issue with this format

Is that if I have to do a weapon more complex than power sword VI

Than I’ll need 2 pages

Like relic blades

[grand perch]

That's just a problem with mmf, if you're good enough you can keep stacks up on the move

[tall torrent]

I will probably add zealot and psyker melee weapons later on as extras

[grand perch]

But I'm desperate hoping they will change the movement loses stacks component

[grand perch]

Right, but from this chart alone, I'd be confused how you get there., since no arrow goes to heavy C

[tall torrent]

Special 2

Is the only way to access Heavy C

[grand perch]

So an arrow should go from bottom right to there

[tall torrent]

If u block cancel special 2, u go back to special 1’s chain

[tall torrent]

It’s already written down there

Special 2 -> Heavy C

[grand perch]

But the purpose of a flow chart is so you can visually follow arrows like a dummy

That would add a lot more arrows though... I see why you went this way

[tall torrent]

Not enough space

I’d prefer to keep every weapon to 1 page if possible

[grand perch]

#veteran-class message

I think I liked the right setup more

It's easier to tell how they are interconnected

[normal bay]

So crab walking all over the map?

[tall torrent]

This one is really hard to read at a glance

Like, genuinely difficult to read with all those crossed lines

I’ll see if I can squeeze in Heavy C chain for power sword VI at the bottom but I doubt it

I don’t think it’s necessary

[grand perch]

Just head shot kill something every 6 seconds

[tall torrent]

Actually I think I can

[grand perch]

But that's why I like camouflage, it gives you freedom to run around and then get stacks back for free. You feel the loss of stacks a lot more while you build them back up with 15 stacks node

Also boss fights are toxic to your stacks without camouflage

[grand perch]

At work but maybe I'll record a little readability test later for feedback

If you have another one I haven't looked at yet, that would be nice

[tall torrent]

Also that power sword VI graph was actually incomplete

It’s hard to keep track of what is supposed to be there when so many lines cross

[grand perch]

You made a guide not because it was easy, but because it was hard

[tall torrent]

I’m lazy

[cerulean ridge]

Veteran Melee Weapon Masteries complete..
Only LasPistol to go for ranged.

[iron silo]

Abelard, get me my Shovel

[balmy flume]

😮

[grand perch]

The heavy shovel

https://tenor.com/view/spoon-big-spoon-funny-mad-evil-stare-gif-17762991

[balmy flume]

I suspect it will do bonus damage against Chaos.

…

Also now I want to cave in Aurora’s skull with that.

Imagine being a Chaos Marine who is remembered for dying to a shovel

[vernal ermine]

So.... ogren in rogue Trader?

[iron silo]

one day, hopefully

[vernal ermine]

Yeah hopefully

[balmy flume]

Maybe as DLC

Future one ofc

[iron silo]

i mean they were on the "what do you want in future dlc" survey, but so was everything else

maybe Owlcat will do an Only War game as well and we can have all the Ogryns we want

[balmy flume]

All Ogryn Party.

[woven cove]

Only Ogryn.

[spark cipher]

onlygryns

[woven cove]

OgryFans.

[crimson wyvern]

yo?

they changed victory poses to use your guns now???

[normal bay]

Not all of them

Ogryn still stuck with the basic Ripper

[crimson wyvern]

[balmy flume]

Need to see if it works with Boltgun

[dreamy spade]

https://youtu.be/oNqiLfkFUDE?si=sYHYf3KkLVNS4DZL

[woven cove]

Somehow carried a game while playing at like 15 FPS.

The performance is usually not very good, but god damn, for some reason it really went to shit for this one mission.

Maybe carried is the wrong word.

I clutched the shit out of it when 3 people died and I managed to escape the horde to rescue all of them.

[serene bough]

what is this free cosmetic for logging in today

[calm shard]

a single weapon charm

[serene bough]

whats it look like

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1367119855278493737/image.png?ex=68136d15&is=68121b95&hm=0cccac712e230da4561ae05e2673399f626ae639cba428952048279b9dd76c10&

[serene bough]

ty

[spark cipher]

Still no rashun charm

[balmy flume]

Ok defo logging in to use this on one weapon and the Inquisitorial symbol on the other.

(Inquisition/RT my favourite aspects of 40k setting)

[bold sierra]

honestly that's a bomb ass charm

[grand perch]

do you need to own rogue trader? it says you need only log in but i dont see a new charm anywhere

....actually i do own rogue trader i completely forgot

[calm shard]

it doesn't give a notification

[pseudo fiber]

No

[tame lodge]

No need

The charm is there

It just doesn't have the golden dot

[grand perch]

yeah no i looked through my charms thrice, nothing. ill just check back later

[tame lodge]

It might also be showing from the side so it just disappears lol

[marble yew]

its just for logging in?

[calm shard]

yeah

[marble yew]

Cool, did they say why they are giving away the charm?

[balmy flume]

Collab with Owlcat who did Rogue Trader

[hollow ibex]

looks good

i might make this my main charm

[bold sierra]

me like gold, me like skull, this charm is just perfect

[surreal oak]

whats the diff between scander and achlys power swords

[hollow ibex]

one is arguably the best vet weapon, the other is mid at best

(the mk6 is the good one)

[surreal oak]

what makes achlys better?

[inland orchid]

My assumption on that is the moveset

[hollow ibex]

movset is far stronger

and you can block cancel the charge

scandar charge takes forever, and will fuck you

[surreal oak]

i feel like the power sword needs to work like the relic blade

interms of turning on the power field

[dry cloak]

It needa to work like small relic blade

Heats up faster but cools faster

[surreal oak]

yea

[dry cloak]

For now a bandaid fix would be the same thing as they did to paul

Reduce slowdown and speedup activation

[pseudo fiber]

The Scander has horizontal heavies and diagonal lights while the achlys has horizontal lights with diagonal heavies.

The mk6 (achlys) also has the activate > block cancel > push attack > light 4 one hit crusher wombo combo

[hollow ibex]

oh and just to add insult to injury, for whatever reason, the achlys gets a 25% sprint efficiency boost that scandar doesn't get

[bold sierra]

some more infantry lasgunning in Havoc 40

this was mostly a 3-man game, cuz one guy was almost dead whole game, and ofc the Ogryn getting the highest dmg when there's no psyker with inferno staff xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eM9ZuXrqiI full game if anyone's curious to see

no psyker bubble or even smoke

[quiet valley]

Shocktrooper like halved your ammo pickups from the other build XD

[bold sierra]

true lol, but obviously it's not as ammo efficient as laspistol obviously xD

but I picked up a lot of ammo just for the sake of it as well, most of the times I probably didnt need to pick them up xD

[quiet valley]

1 talent point worth taking 1/2 ammo so your team can panic mag dump

[spark cipher]

Combat shotgun takes out the panic part of it, for you're always mag dumping

[bold sierra]

not to mention, it was like 60% a 3-man game like I said, so I do need them ammo lol xD, probably would've picked up ammo a lot less if we had 4 people up most of the match

[tall torrent]

@grand perch adjusted

[spark cipher]

didn't something like this show up in vermintide's inspect (but not this game for some reason)

[tall torrent]

actually prob gonna change push atk and push combo's atk colors

[grand perch]

this looks a lot better just by virtue of not being a phone photo, the colors pop more

yeah looking at it again this way, its a lot clearer immediately. better than the old

this is readability level: dummy approved

[tall torrent]

or perhaps this

extra simplified in colors

blue arrow indicates regular combo starting point

this is the more colorful alternative

[grand perch]

hm i like the idea but the color scheme seems worse. white is such a non-indicator when it comes to colorcoding, you basically overlook it. dunno, other should weigh in on that. the second version with yellow instead is better imo. the blue arrows are a sensible addition

[tall torrent]

slightly adjusted spacing

[balmy flume]

Huh the new collab keychain not showing up for me either.

I wonder if it is anything to do with server reset times…

Oh FOUND IT

The display pic is literally showing it at the side of the medallion thing

PSA for those looking for it

[midnight totem]

oh there it is

they really put it sideways huh

How we supposed to identify that

[spark cipher]

FartShak

[hollow ibex]

Yeah trolling us

At least it looks cool

[tall torrent]

shame that trinkets clip into everything ever

[midnight totem]

I wish character models had trinket slots like in vermintide 1

[uncut pebble]

It's a shame that almost every cosmetic clips into almost every other cosmetic.

[orchid hemlock]

"Vet is just shooting"

[balmy flume]

Just noticed a new enemy

Scab Radio Operator

Any idea what they do?

[atomic void]

they spawn elite units until you kill them basically

bunch of snipers maulers and ragers from what i've seen

and normal shooters

[midnight totem]

You know, I haven't seen a single one of them yet

[faint beacon]

They only spawn once a corrupted transmitter has been done

And it’s only 1

So you’ll have a max of 3 of them spawning at most

I genuinely think they’d do well as a new unit if they could spiff them up a bit seeing they’re bare bones and reintroduce them into the base game

[midnight totem]

That's what I mean

[loud belfry]

they're basically just really tall gunners with no helmets

[faint beacon]

They also scream

A lot

[midnight totem]

I've done quite a few transmitters

I've seen a few transmitters done

[atomic void]

give them a better design while you're at it

its just a longer gunner with no helmet lol

[faint beacon]

I do like the concept they’re very noisey

[midnight totem]

I either haven't seen any spawn

[faint beacon]

Because if they’re spawning in groups of enemies they should be easy to detect and find

[midnight totem]

Or I immediately killed them

And didn't realise

[loud belfry]

probably immediately killed them especially from range

[atomic void]

i feel like they should be harder to locate and operate more like a stealth unit that runs away like tox bomber and snipers

[faint beacon]

They have like 2k HP iirc

[atomic void]

they are tall af and easy to locate

[faint beacon]

Be the gunners normal 1.4k

Or no

1.2

[midnight totem]

Because, let's face it, all these heretics look alike after they get a bolt round to the face

[sonic kayak]

You're forgetting some crucial details: They have hair and noses

[atomic void]

real

[faint beacon]

I’d say remain them being tall and helmetless cause then you know Unarmored

Headshots

Eating good

[bold sierra]

I want radio operators to be in havoc

[faint beacon]

But do redesign them a bit armor wise and voicelines

[bold sierra]

plez boss

[faint beacon]

Instead of fucking screaming

[atomic void]

the goofy ahh scream is funny

[faint beacon]

Hell give them a pistol and make them play passively like Tox Bombers

Where they actively try to kite around you or avoid you

[sonic kayak]

[faint beacon]

TLDR please doodoofart add Scab Radio Operators into the base game they’re an incredibly interesting unit

[sonic kayak]

Actually, I'm interested in the fact that they have noses and that their armor is more blueish than black, maybe they're 21st defectors/informants?

[loud belfry]

noses...!!

[sonic kayak]

Even Wolfer has no nose

[faint beacon]

It’s a bruiser head reused

One of the bruisers has an intact and well for 40k standards

Relatively unharmed face

[sonic kayak]

[faint beacon]

It has like minor scaring and that’s about it

[atomic void]

make them like a banner holder too

not just calling reinforcement but also saying some heretical shit

that buffs them

something something NAARRUUUGHHHLLLEEEEE

[faint beacon]

It’s not the art work version I was trying to find but it still gets the point across

Same head reused

They just also gave him headphones

[sonic kayak]

Can't forget the hair

[faint beacon]

Honestly I’d fuck with the idea that it’s more Guardsmen callouts instead to signify it’s a trained soldier instead of a crazed cultist (Dreg)

[atomic void]

oh yeah that's better

since he's armored

and a scab

[faint beacon]

Exhibit A: Scab Bomber

[sonic kayak]

tbh that actually answers my question regarding if they've used that face already and I haven't seen or paid attention to it, so thanks

[faint beacon]

Personally he should have very few taunts and a lot more trained callouts seeing radio operators are pretty fucking serious for well any military force

But in the heart of how cocky the scabs can be Shotgunners and Gunners I think he should have a few taunts for when he successfully calls in reinforcements

[woven cove]

Had a radio operator drop in front of me and scare me cause of how damn tall they are.

Especially with my characters all being minimal height.

Maximum short.

[faint beacon]

They’re like 1.5x taller than a normal gunner so they’re pretty fucking huge lmao

[woven cove]

They REALLY wanted you to notice them.

[spark cipher]

Game lets me play as myself 10/10

[atomic void]

if fatshark is looking for feedback they should apply this 100%

[faint beacon]

As if the obnoxious radio vox comms and him screaming like a baby wasn’t enough LMAO

[woven cove]

Has radio;
Screams to call reinforcements.

[faint beacon]

Dead serious he should be “The Professional” of the Scabs

Few taunts

[spark cipher]

Ogryn Radio "Operator"
(He just screams RASHUNS and summons Crushers)

[faint beacon]

A lot of callouts and by the book stuff

[atomic void]

he feels like a work in progress character ngl
if they need to add him to the game they should apply some of the suggestions made by gale here

cause rn he's goofy

[spark cipher]

also callouts for spotting/killing one

rn you just say nothing

[faint beacon]

I’m fighting a losing battle I’ll be dead serious

I know he won’t be added

But the concept and the basic bones of this enemy IS SO UNIQUE

it upsets me

[woven cove]

Infiltrate veteran becoming meta so you can sneak past all the enemies and kill the operator.

[atomic void]

no way they just make him an event exclusive

feels like they're testing the water with him

[spark cipher]

There's no way they'd abandon something they sunk dev time into (copium)

[faint beacon]

I could just “calmly” yell at Cole who’s an actual tester to beg them to keep the Radio Operator down the line as a permanent addition

[atomic void]

do it

[faint beacon]

They’ve done it plenty of times unfortunately

They literally have a modifier called Embers where the map is on fire and mainly focuses on Flamer units

[spark cipher]

you mean had?

[loud belfry]

its probably in there somewhere

[faint beacon]

@slow sky Looking at you with my big beady eyes blinking and hoping they’ll actually keep this enemy

[spark cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/smooth-brain-kitty-boykisser-gif-8234569603800668383

[faint beacon]

I just love the concept of snowball enemies

It’s why I really enjoy the Radio Operator

I’ve had a team not kill 3 of them and it can get chaotic really quick

[atomic void]

that sounds so ass

[spark cipher]

meanwhile that pox modifier is still in the game lol

[faint beacon]

The maps look incredibly fucking cool but increased flamer spawns is probably why it was canned

[atomic void]

i avoid pox modifier like the plague

[atomic void]

oh yeah i can imagine the map looking cool for sure

the gimmick modifiers have nice visuals

some maps look pretty with lights out

when the red lights are heavily featured

[faint beacon]

Step 1: get servo skull mod that acts as a flashlight

Step 2: enjoy the best experience on lights out

Cause it’s not immediately tracking it lags a bit and idk how to explain it but it just looks really nice

[spark cipher]

I think shotgunners should be able to move at full speed while shooting, it's not like they have to take time to aim or anything

[faint beacon]

I wouldn’t like that cause it would throw off my muscle memory with the vigils

[orchid hemlock]

Wait I've seen that mod, what does it do exactly? 🤔

[faint beacon]

Acts as a flashlight

It’ll hover around marked enemies

Marked spots

Or highlighted items of interest

[orchid hemlock]

What

Who cooked?

[faint beacon]

Same guy who made weapon custom

Lmao

That’s who cooked

[loud belfry]

pretty epic mod

kinda cheating but whatever

[spark cipher]

I mean, I thought a servo skull would accompany you in vanilla so the mission head can yap at you as you do objectives

[orchid hemlock]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/504

[spark cipher]

Soothing proximity based Hadron screeching about crashed interrogators

[orchid hemlock]

This is it right?

[loud belfry]

yes

[orchid hemlock]

Is it actually fun or does it cause the game to crash every mission like WE 😞

[loud belfry]

no idea. it has an optional ai voice add on or something too. kinda based

[faint beacon]

Yeah that’s it

[tall torrent]

does it need more than mod loader and DMF

and is it stable

[faint beacon]

its pretty fucking stable I wont lie

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah because I love WE but I couldn't take the crashes anymore

[loud belfry]

only needs itself except if u want ai voice (dmf and such are a given no matter what)

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kauS83aAL7PMUjais?invite=cr-MSx0QUYsMTA3NDAxNTcz

Here's it in action btw

[tall torrent]

on a scale of 1-10 (10 being no crashes ever) where does it sit

[faint beacon]

Also watch this psyker get trolled

[spark cipher]

Also, why does vermintide allow local servers but not darktide?

[faint beacon]

easily like a 9.5

I've only had one incident

[tall torrent]

Vt2 is p2p, DT is server based

[spark cipher]

Still feels like a bit of a downgrade imo

at least right now anyway

[faint beacon]

trust me as

god awful as it can be at times

P2P is so much fucking worse when you lag

[loud belfry]

it's cringe that they only seem to have like one server location in all of na west so presumably all of the other servers only have like one location per region

the outcome is that your ping is your ping and fuck you if you want better

[torpid grotto]

It’s amazing how often the game still disconnects from the server or completely crashes to desktop

[spark cipher]

I mean I still lag on dedicated servers, at least p2p means I can be the host with less lag

[faint beacon]

[raw needle]

it really isnt aside from having a dedicated server to run whatever you want on

[loud belfry]

technically with the solo mod you can do this

[tall torrent]

p2p has way more lag overall

[raw needle]

cause in vermintide if you wanted to mod on official

you had to wait for fatshark to approve shit

[tame lodge]

I can't play VT2 online quick play because all matches are 150+ ping

[slow sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278540580976328790/1362633648393814110/GIF_20250417_223901_897.gif

[torpid grotto]

How could they code such beautiful melee combat with 100 million variables but not have stable servers

[tame lodge]

So I made my way to Cataclysm by playing with bots

Damn, I hate VT2 bots

But that's a story for another day

[spark cipher]

Also feel like a lot of lag issues are compensated in p2p with things like client side hitreg, here if you lag you lag

[raw needle]

they're actually really fucking good for what they are

[faint beacon]

Pretty pretty please........ 🥺

[spark cipher]

like no forthought for lag ever seems to happen in dedicated server games

[raw needle]

no theres a shitload of lag compensation in darktide

like a fuckton

[slow sky]

ill have you know
half of those variables dont even work

[loud belfry]

darktide is broken if you don't have lag

cant dodge stuff

cant live with lag, cant live without it

[slow sky]

there is massive lag compensation

[tame lodge]

Sorry but I'm going with my observation bias
I hate em

[slow sky]

in fact a 0 ping environment is actually unplayable

[tame lodge]

I hate elf

[slow sky]

attacks are functionally undodgable

[tame lodge]

I legit had to bench Kerilian

[raw needle]

i have sott

with a staff

[tame lodge]

Because she would consistently swap to her bow and never swap back

And I mean never

[raw needle]

just pick a useful career......

[tame lodge]

Rats easily killed her

Because she never swapped back

[loud belfry]

so much anti erufu sentiment in this discord these days

[tame lodge]

It started as a running gag
But now I might be genuinely hating elves

[slow sky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9pxwl5WqII&ab_channel=SPEEDPRIEST

[tame lodge]

Who tf comes up with these tests

[loud belfry]

someone who got sick of being unable to dodge at 0 ping

possibly

[slow sky]

thats actually a demonstration of a mod that artificially creates lag in a solo environment like the psyk and solo play

but its nearly identical to how it actually happens

[slow sky]

i used this mod and suddenly i was able to make it pretty far on the regular in a non-speedrun solo havoc 1.0 with a tac axe

until

yknow

[faint beacon]

The reset

[calm shard]

That's why Snipers sometimes shoot me fucking instantly?

what the fuck

[faint beacon]

Oh you got fucking trolled

LMAO

[tame lodge]

Suffering from success lol

[faint beacon]

Hmmm today I will try to bait the Captain

The Void Shield Burst:

[calm shard]

quite the opposite

I live in the middle of fuck ass nowhere

I am used to high ping

[slow sky]

yeah difference in ping will fuck you up greatly

you may play better on really high ping cuz thats what your muscle memory is based on

[spark cipher]

Internet too good, eat ethernet cord, become wifi warrior

[slow sky]

havoc still randomly picks a server based on a random strike team members location to run on regardless of who is host or what they have their servers actually set to
so quite often id be yanked from a comfy 50-80 ping all the way to 180 and it was unplayable for me
which they havent fixed btw

[loud belfry]

game is actually fucked

[spark cipher]

So what I'm getting here is lagswitch yourself so you get used to and consistantly deal with high ping

[tall torrent]

U can try fighting plague ogryn and DH in psykhanium compared to live game

Several DH attacks are basically undodgeable in meat grinder

Plague ogryn uppercut is also very difficult to dodge in meat grinder

[calm shard]

tbf that flurry attack is a bitch to dodge in normal gameplay too

luckily it seems like hexbound DH don't have it?

at least I've never seen them do it

[surreal oak]

which of these are good?

[hollow ibex]

XII or VI

[tame lodge]

All of em

XII goes brrrr

VI has the best ammo economy of those three

XIV goes cleave

[midnight totem]

xiv is the hardest hitting one right?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[midnight totem]

gotcha, I like cleave

[sharp epoch]

I thought XIV has best economy, it's got most damage and highest reserve mag

[tame lodge]

It cost more ammo per shot though

[sharp epoch]

:O

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Iirc it's 2 ammo per shot

[viral nacelle]

whats the sweaty havoc meta for vet rn?

[tame lodge]

Picking another class

[viral nacelle]

nah i like suffering and want to be an ammo bot

[tame lodge]

Well I don't have a build in hands rn

But it's either shredder or smokes

With VoC or Infiltrate

With middle or right keystones

Power Sword 6

[sharp epoch]

dueling sword plasma, you can probably look up tanners builds for that

PS6 is a bit harder to use in that you have way less survivabillity but better horde clear

[tall torrent]

power sword VI

[remote sonnet]

I'm loving the Mk1 DClaw. Somehow it feels better than the other 2 marks now.

[remote sonnet]

Where is the PSword 6 harder to use coming from??

"less survivability" is so marginal.

[arctic rampart]

movement speed is a thing. you don't have to run faster than the bear, just the other human. but you'll be faster than the bear too. case in point can easily kite monstrosities and horde while with ps you're locked in there

I say that as someone that prefers power sword btw. Its just a fact mobility is a good stat.

[remote sonnet]

Huh? They have the same mobility stat...

[hollow ibex]

Compared to DS? Prob the shit dodges

[tall torrent]

DS runs faster

[remote sonnet]

Oh compare to the DS.

[arctic rampart]

DS4 and PS6 do not have the same mobility. Are you saying "80%" is "80%"? The DS4 and combat knife are crazy faster than PS.

[sharp epoch]

it has worse block, dodge, movespeed, and at the same time you're using stamina to do damage sacrificing survivabillity for damage

[bold sierra]

honestly Havoc 40 is more dynamic with builds than most people are lead to believe, I literally wrecked through multiple Havoc 40s with like Infantry las gun, Bolter executioner stance or even camo a few times lol

got videos of those if you're interested

then again, they definitely differ in skill ceiling :\

[sharp epoch]

depends on your team comp too, if you're running premades that can compensate for your mistakes or build then it's "viable"

but not really

[bold sierra]

i mean as far as team comp goes, it's always mostly just ogryn agro, psyker bubble and zealot chorus with slight variations, sometimes you get ogryn charge or zealot chastise but all and all it's basically the same, and depending on that you can choose different vet abilities at times. I run mostly randoms, hell I got a few games without psyker bubble, zealot chorus and etc...and still did fine.

got a game yesterday that I hosted, basically only got zealot chorus and ogryn agro with another vet and me as vet, no psyker bubble. Played infantry lasgun

the other vet basically stayed dead for most of the game so it was a 3-man for the most parts and we STILL rolled through relatively well

[viral nacelle]

I don’t really play vet, I just feel like it and am looking for a build. Vet chat seems unable to actually deliver one 😂

Psyker chat has a library of half a dozen available on demand

[bold sierra]

tbh, vet's builds are usually pretty same-same xD, even when accounting for certain weapons xD

[viral nacelle]

Yes but as I said I don’t really play vet 😂

So I have no idea what the good traits and trap traits are these days

[heavy rover]

can't go wrong with ghost on mk iib infantry las

[bold sierra]

here's a infantry lasgun build that I usually run a lot in H40

if you run bolter or plasma you can basically switch off shocktrooper or so and go for another node

[viral nacelle]

Do people do stam on vet? I’m assuming double tough stam with 3x minor health stam and ability regen

Or maybe some sniper minors instead of tough or health

[bold sierra]

people do, and it can work, but BOI it's VERY risky, you get shredded in less than a second if not careful

it's mostly meme tbh

but it can work, ASSUMING ur talking deadshot

[tall torrent]

double toughness
health

stam regen not that good on veteran, take sprint efficiency if u worry about stamina

[iron marten]

Only for meme builds. I use 3x stam for knife + helbore deadshot build before they changed it

[tall torrent]

can swap health for stamina curio but u now run risk of being instakilled by burster

health curio perks not as good as health curio

[tall torrent]

longshot is ass don't ever take that

born leader also better than FTE in havoc

[bold sierra]

I also got an executioner bolter build on vet, if you want to be extra frisky in H40, it's a pretty high risk high reward kind of build, you can basically one-shot EVERY gunner and elite safe for crusher and mauler and basically MELTS monsters, but it is pretty high skill ceiling lol. YOu can honesty take whatever melee here, cuz bolter's the anti-armor for this anyway

[bold sierra]

I do find having long-shot helped with my breakpoints a lot in H40, I'm not really looking for the full 20% anyway, just a few %s to tighten them breakpoints up a bit

cuz I found without I noticed A LOT of 1-2hp remaining on gunners at certain range

which is annoying OOF

[tall torrent]

drop volley adept and longshot, get iron will + tac reload

[tall torrent]

no way it's 1-2 health

[bold sierra]

hard to tell but I got healthbar mod on

it's basically on the very edge of the healthbar everytime

[tall torrent]

longshot is only ~0.6% more dmg at 13m

it does very little most of the time

[hollow ibex]

Long shot but no iron will

[bold sierra]

it's exectioner stance xD, no over-toughness so honestly I didn't think it's a consistent thing to take, and like I said, I have healthbar mod on, and I noticed a lot of edgy low HPs, which is why I took long shot. Then again I could switch it out for something else, no biggie, this is mostly an OCD thing.

And yes, I'm aware of zealot's chorus giving you a lot of toughness, but feeling reliant on others do kinda hit me wrong xD, whatever the case, I managed well to not get hit even without iron will a lot of times

[hollow ibex]

Well if anything it’s impressive that you’re making it work without iron will

[tall torrent]

a smidge of visible health with mod could be 5hp or 50hp

[remote sonnet]

No, I thought you compare between Psword marks.

[tall torrent]

remember that havoc's health increase gives gunners 1800~2100 health

[bold sierra]

I mean I'm aware, but I have noticed A LOT of basically just black HP bars, basically like 10-20hp left lol

with that said, it aint a big deal

I suppose I can switch it out for sth

[tall torrent]

don't take longshot ever

it's very simple

[viral nacelle]

I’m not really able to reply rn but thanks and I’ll check these out. Saw someone running a bolter thing that deleted all the stuff so I am very curious about that 😂

[bold sierra]

ok I just tested in H40 sandbox, and this is what I mean, this is with longshot + focus fire 5 stacks tag headshot, one-shot headshot

and this is the same but without longshot, after bleeds, still got that much hp left

this is the kind of thing that made me take longshot in the first place, I mean I'm sure a lot of people probably dont care but

MAN

it ticks me off

[tall torrent]

ur looking into extremely niche breakpoints

because first off

boltgun itself has inverse dmg falloff

[bold sierra]

yes I am aware

[tall torrent]

secondly

focus target 5 stack

is not reliable for breakpoints

a reliable focus target breakpoint is at 2 stacks

because of its minimum refresh mechanic

so it's not gonna be 36 dmg off in practice most of the time

it's gonna be more like 265 dmg off

which longshot has absolutely no chance of making up for

so it just seems like u didn't do the maths on this thoroughly enough

[bold sierra]

well hey, like i said, if we're talking about conventional situations then yes I'd tend to agree, but this falls into OCD territory on my part, plus I really do just like Volley Adept as well, cuz a lot of the times I use bolter to burst down a Crusher and not pay attention to my ammo, it kinda suck, with Tactical Reload

[tall torrent]

this kind of niche breakpoint is not worth building for simply because it's not practically impactful in vast majority of cases

when u have so many caveats attached to a breakpoint u rly should stop and think "what if I just pressed F and entered exe stance"

[bold sierra]

plus yes, we aint gonna wait for 5 stacks of focus fire EVERYTIME, tis why I got Redirect Fire, for that 7.5% dmg to add into 1-2 stacks of focus fire panic tag, but I digress. Going into executioner stance basically one-shot every gunner and elite at any range with headshots anyway so I do agree. And again, when it comes to bolter, I think I went that way mostly for Volley Adept lol

[tall torrent]

just take tac reload and save ur points

[bold sierra]

I probably will consider changing into tac reload

[tall torrent]

tac reload is usually better anyway

[bold sierra]

and then take idk, another keystone node or sth, or Field Improv

as for my infantry lasgun, I'm thinking of replacing Infernus with Ghost so I might still need longshot, it's a lot tighter than bolter with bleed blessing

[hollow ibex]

[bold sierra]

all i'm saying, I'm not testing in H40 sandbox for nothing xD

[sharp epoch]

i dont take tac reload cause my brain cant comprehend using it

[hollow ibex]

you're not reloading literally all the time?

[sharp epoch]

shoot till dry

[hollow ibex]

next time you play a match, start paying attention to the distances you're normally shooting at

[hollow ibex]

sounds like an ogryn

[bold sierra]

most gunners and reapers are basically at the same usual distance anyway lol

[hollow ibex]

how many meters?

[bold sierra]

you basically get at least 10-15% extra dmg guaranteed AT LEAST

[hollow ibex]

that's pretty fucking optimistic lol

unless you're lagging way behind your team

all the time

[bold sierra]

usually at least this distance I'd say

even if it's not 10-15%, honestly I'm cool with just 5%

[hollow ibex]

idk how far is that?

[bold sierra]

18m

[hollow ibex]

there's gotta be better places you can get 5% extra damage lol...

[bold sierra]

give or take

[sharp epoch]

longshots a meme

[hollow ibex]

congratulations. you spent 1 talent point for ~6% bonus damage.

[bold sierra]

all I can really think of is either Rending Strikes or Focused Fire (8 stacks), but Rending Strikes doesnt really apply on Dreg Gunner's unarmored head or Reaper's unyielding head so whatever tbh

[hollow ibex]

i think rending does apply to unyielding, just not a big difference

[bold sierra]

definitely doesnt apply to unarmored

usually inferno kills the reaper for me in certain situations when I notice the HP bar on Unyielding from 30+m at the VERY EDGE

[narrow frost]

rending affects all but infested and unarmored

[bold sierra]

but I'm not gonna take infernus anymore

[hollow ibex]

i don't think infernus is worth on any of the ilas anyway

[bold sierra]

I literally only take it for extra boss dmg that's about it, and maybe occasional finishing off elites

but I'm gonna take Ghost now

[bold sierra]

i'm gonna test this hang on

[tall torrent]

buddy just forget longshot exists

it's as bad as it gets

[hollow ibex]

been trying to tell him...

[narrow frost]

"Rending is a unique player-side buff that boosts their attacks’ ADM against Flak, Carapace, Maniac & Unyielding enemies, and stacks additively with itself up to 100% (>100% rending does nothing). Rending has no effect on Unarmored & Infested enemies. Damage falloff in this game comes in the form of reduced ADM at specific ranges, so ADM modifiers can help counteract that."

hi path

[torpid grotto]

Hipfire spam into mixed horde ❤️

[hollow ibex]

yeah, use recon for that

[narrow frost]

use melee for that

[torpid grotto]

hipfiring melee goes hard

[hollow ibex]

true

[bold sierra]

well I just tried it in H40 sandbox, literally the same 981 dmg on gunner's head with and without Rending Strikes

so i kinda dunno what to say here

dreg gunner's head

[hollow ibex]

it def would make a difference against scab gunner

dreg gunner is unarmored

so yeah, rending doesn't do jack shit there

[bold sierra]

yes but he said it affects unarmored and infested lol

[narrow frost]

all BUT

[bold sierra]

ah

mb

[narrow frost]

all g

[tall torrent]

this is not accurate, rending can go above 100%

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah

[narrow frost]

fight yourself

well

it is going into the new guide

[tall torrent]

I revamped combo charts

[narrow frost]

oh god

how does it look

I imagine some weapons are going suck to do

[narrow frost]

yeah..,...

[tall torrent]

relic blades will get 2 pages

too much stuff to fit into 1 page

[narrow frost]

relic blade comboes are so overdone

so combo heavy

[hollow ibex]

mk x supremacy

[narrow frost]

the braindead one

[bold sierra]

I will agree on the bolter's part and maybe on some other builds that you guys got sure, but on my inf lasgun I'm getting edged depleted HP bar more than I'd like in H40 without longshot xD, plus there's not really much else I want to take so...egh, why not lol

[narrow frost]

mk 2 better

uppercut gaming

[hollow ibex]

take mk2 ilas instead