veteran-class

[calm shard]

at all

every stat matters for your damage output

[unreal nova]

Thermal over 69.

[calm shard]

I know

[unreal nova]

Lul.

[agile forge]

What do you have as the co-dump with Thermal for it? Charge rate?

[calm shard]

pickaxes and shield on oggy only have defences

[unreal nova]

There are more, but I need to look them up.

[calm shard]

GG has neither mobility nor defences

oggy power maul only has defences

shovels too

[unreal nova]

Charge rate. 71-72.

[calm shard]

the only ogryn ranged weapons that even have mobility are the kickback and rumbler

[unreal nova]

Thunderhammer only has def.

Crusher as well.

[faint beacon]

Heavy Sword:

Chain Axe iirc

[unreal nova]

Well, he did ask for weapons without mobility so...

I guess the only one that matters is heavy sword since vet has it.

[woven cove]

Chain Axe has mobility.

[frank basin]

weapon specialist user

[calm shard]

I felt it was worth to invest into weapon specialist since I grabbed Agile Engagement

and if I'm using smokes I might as well have agile engagement as well since it's right there

kind of sort of almost (not at all) makes up for not having Superiority Complex or Bring It Down

[lusty ether]

are we for or against weapons specialist? I get confused.

Personally, I don't find it very fun to use. I find it faffy and like it's encouraging me to really make up reasons to swap weapons constantly.

But certain people get really riled up if you're not on board with WS.

[hollow ibex]

Because it still is the most interesting vet keystone lol

[raw needle]

vet? its the most interesting keystone in the game

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

Well I’m a big fan of martyrdom too

[lusty ether]

Yeah, certain people get riled up if you're not fully on board with it.

[hollow ibex]

really now

[lusty ether]

I know, right?

[hollow ibex]

well, not really surprising given that it's a deeply unpopular take

[lusty ether]

Yeah, some people do seem to struggle with the idea that other people are allowed to state their own preferences.

Valid point.

[hollow ibex]

people are always allowed to state their preferences, and others are free to disagree with them 🤷‍♂️

[calm shard]

how is this weapons damage output real

[lusty ether]

"My favourite colour is brown"
"Do you know that's a deeply unpopular take?"

"You should prefer red."

[hollow ibex]

bizarre comparison, when colors are essentially equal, whereas keystones most definitely are not lol.

[lusty ether]

Some people do seem to struggle with the idea of META not equalling fun.

Valid point.

[hollow ibex]

well WS is meta

but so is FT

it's just MMF that is both not meta, and not fun

[calm shard]

I like MMF :(

[lusty ether]

Some people do seem to struggle with the idea that their fun isn't everyone's fun.

Valid point.

[hollow ibex]

not many do

[calm shard]

I click the enemy in the head and receive godly powers

[hollow ibex]

nah. it's more that if you don't like WS, which is literally the heart of vet's current playstyle, vet might not be a good fit for you.

[lusty ether]

I would 'valid point' this, but it's just the last point again.

:D

[hollow ibex]

embracing the design of the class isn't really anything to do with the meta

vet isn't even meta

[lusty ether]

#veteran-class message

Got you covered, fam.

[dry cloak]

mmf with vigil auto

good time

[unreal nova]

Shhhh... Stop reminding me.

[lusty ether]

I need to save all these valid points somewhere. It's gonna make future conversation so much simpler.

[tame lodge]

Get flaked lol

https://tenor.com/view/stick-bug-stick-bugged-bug-dancing-bug-dancing-gif-18059923

[hollow ibex]

?

[lusty ether]

Don't worry about it.

[woven cove]

Just had a very rude ogryn teammate.

Never seen a rude ogryn before.

[hollow ibex]

ok. well let me sum it up.

vet isn't in the meta, but WS and FT are the meta keystones within vet. most people agree that FT and MMF is boring as fuck, which just leaves WS. fortunately for vet, most people agree that WS is actually fun, and very representative of the primary playstyle of the class (hybrid gameplay).

so WS being fun has nothing to do with the meta. it's just fun because people enjoy the way the class is designed. that's it.

[lusty ether]

Acute lack of rashuns.

[hollow ibex]

happens all the time

especially lugger ogryns

i miss the days lugger ogryn was dogshit and nobody played it.

[woven cove]

Me and him loaded into a mission with 2 bots and he was like "go ahead and die, I'll wait for more people".

Like...ok? Fuck you?

[calm shard]

mysteriously every barrel they walk next to explodes

[hollow ibex]

piss him off by not dying

[calm shard]

must be heretic sabotage

[lusty ether]

You still seem to struggle with the idea of differential fun, friend. There's no one intended way to play any of this.

[unreal nova]

90% of oggies are nice or quiet. 10% are just really disgraceful. Just ask in Oggy mains.

[lusty ether]

'Most people' don't matter to a conversation when one person says what they find fun.

[hollow ibex]

then you aren't most people, and you don't find vet's primary playstyle fun. that's all there is to it.

[lusty ether]

"There's no one intended way to play any of this."

[hollow ibex]

no there isn't, but there is very clearly one strongly encouraged playstyle for vet.

courtesy of fatshart's shit design more than anything tbh

[unreal nova]

Hybird.

[lusty ether]

"Encouraged" is you leaning back towards META logic.

[unreal nova]

Well, you can do 90% shooty, but if you take all the ammo, you are just selfish.

Unless it's premade and the rest are okay with it.

[hollow ibex]

well the encouraged playstyle is the meta for vet by definition, because it leads to you being effective for your team, and not dragging them down.

[calm shard]

unless gun ogryn in which case biggest gets biggest pile of ammo

[unreal nova]

Or you get 3 staffkers.

[hollow ibex]

no. 😠

[lusty ether]

You're adding that to the discussion. I am not saying to do things selfishly.

[lusty ether]

I'm glad we can agree that it's just META logic.

Valid point.

META is a different discussion; one that I'm not gonna have with you.

[hollow ibex]

a meta playstyle is different from a meta keystone.

[unreal nova]

Is more, you will run out of ammo at some point without a lasgun. Assuming you take a fair 25% of map ammo.

[hollow ibex]

then why do you keep bringing it up?

it seems to live rent free in your head.

[uncut pebble]

No, encouraged playstyles are encouraged by the structure of the class.

[lusty ether]

You're the one that decided that 'fun' in my context meant "90% shooting".

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean it's inherent to the class design

[hollow ibex]

how else are you havign fun?

if you hate the hybrid playstyle

[lusty ether]

Yes, there is a framework for you to do things with.

[hollow ibex]

are you doing all melee? all ranged?

what's fun for you?

[uncut pebble]

For example, gun zealout isn't encouraged because there are four or so talents that involve guns. The rest are melee oriented.

[calm shard]

also I don't think they have any way to get extra ranged damage on their entire skill tree

[lusty ether]

It varies, day to day.

[uncut pebble]

It is actually discouraged, because they removed rending for guns with chastise.

[hollow ibex]

using melee on zealot is the META.

[calm shard]

WAIT

[uncut pebble]

Ambuscade.

And anoint.

[lusty ether]

I'm not going to sit here and give you reasons to dissect what I find fun.

[calm shard]

they get ranged backstab damage and ranged damage at close range

[lusty ether]

You've already proven you're not able to have that conversation either.

[hollow ibex]

well i'm trying to understand why you're so scared of the meta

[uncut pebble]

And if you really wanna use IJ like that, then IJ affects ranged damage too.

[hollow ibex]

but you can't seem to convey why

[lusty ether]

I'm not particularly scared of META.

[calm shard]

god is that really it?

[hollow ibex]

besides hating the "meta" because it's the meta

[lusty ether]

I just recognise that fun and META are not equivalent.

[hollow ibex]

it sounds like you literally just hate how the class is designed

[lusty ether]

So where META overshadows fun, I don't worry about it.

[hollow ibex]

so that's why i'm trying to understand how you play vet

[calm shard]

I guess all their keystones would apply to their gun too

so martyrdom gun

[hollow ibex]

and what you find fun

[uncut pebble]

Nope.

[lusty ether]

Because I said mean things about WS? XD

[calm shard]

oh

[lusty ether]

Like "I find it faffy."

That's adorable.

[uncut pebble]

Martyrdom has no effect on ranged weapons at all.

[calm shard]

right that one actually specifies

cowards

martyrdom gun zealot when

[hollow ibex]

no. i'll let you read the conversation again.

[tame lodge]

Wrong

Theoretically
The attack speed works on bashes

[uncut pebble]

Piety makes crits better so you can do crit string guns, but IJ is best if you are strictly building for a gun.

[tame lodge]

💀

[lusty ether]

That's funny, because I feel like I'm the one actually reading this conversation and not projecting a bunch of shit onto it.

Anyways, it's been fun.

[uncut pebble]

You are projecting your opinion of what is and isn't fun based on a loose description of what meta is rather than what is strong for the class's structure.

Please take your reddit argument back to reddit.

[lusty ether]

Uhh...

Yeah that's not worth arguing either.

[hollow ibex]

sorry. i'm literally just trying to understand what you find fun. mb for caring.

[unreal nova]

Because most vets that don't use hybird tend to run like gunluggers.

[uncut pebble]

Good, I said my piece, I don't care to argue on it.

[lusty ether]

It's nonsensical.

But I'm glad.

[hollow ibex]

that's exactly what 99% of vets do that aren't going hybrid

i mean what's the alternative

only melee and blitz?

i don't see people ever doing that with vet lol

[unreal nova]

The nonsense I do. Forget my gun exist unless trappers or crushers. XD

[hollow ibex]

i mean that's fine, you can still be 90% melee and 10% gun if you want to

[unreal nova]

Stat stick jokes.

[calm shard]

I do, but I think that's just melee psyker habits catching up to me

[hollow ibex]

it's the other way around that tends to become problematic

[calm shard]

Why gun thing when I can just run up and stab them

[lusty ether]

@unreal novafor context, the original claim is literally just that I don't personally enjoy running WS because I feel like it is mildly faffy. Nothing to do with not being hybrid or anything.

[spark cipher]

literally me
(creating enough pollution to destroy the atmospheric shielding with smokes)

[lusty ether]

That's the entirety of my 'hatred for hybrid playstyles' and so on.

[unreal nova]

XD Twinned smokes even?

[hollow ibex]

i mean you don't like WS, which is weapon switching, which is hybrid gameplay

they're all the same thing

[spark cipher]

workin on it, just getting up to trust 30

[lusty ether]

But yeah, I'm drawing myself back in like the melodramatic little douche that I am.

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-confused-whuh-gif-10204381671363361516

[lusty ether]

How is your day going?

[hollow ibex]

lol

[unreal nova]

It's stupid memes but funni in Mortis with the indulgence.

[hollow ibex]

he blocked me

surprise surprise.

[uncut pebble]

There are a lot of words being said with absolutely zero substance.

[lusty ether]

You were blocked this whole time. It helps me not get drawn into things.

[hollow ibex]

well then, stop opening my messages.

[calm shard]

my back hurts :(

[uncut pebble]

Imagine blocking someone and still opening their messages.

[lusty ether]

I'm far from perfect.

[uncut pebble]

That's kinda pathetic my guy.

[lusty ether]

Thanks.

:D

[hollow ibex]

tbf, discord's block function is ass

it'll just keep spamming your feed with X blocked messages

[lusty ether]

Like chronic hurt or like you slept funny or something?

[uncut pebble]

Honestly I wish they'd add an option to remove the blocked message function entirely.

[hollow ibex]

if the other guy keeps typing

[spark cipher]

may as well be a big red button

[hollow ibex]

yeah crazy you need to install a fucking third-party plugin for that

[lusty ether]

That's fine. It doesn't bother me. Sometimes I remember to not open them, even.

[calm shard]

I had spine surgery a few years ago and it just does that sometimes

[lusty ether]

Oof

That sucks

[manic badger]

For the record fun and meta are equivalent sometimes. side eyes Accatran

[lusty ether]

If that's what you find fun, more power to you.

[unreal nova]

To be fair, they can all be tweaked to feel better. But how would you change WS yet keep it in that hybird playstyle it encourages? I know the subnodes need to be compressed due to the number of tax nodes. As we know, left is gun focused, middle is team supportish focused and right is melee hybird focused.

[lusty ether]

I'm not super worried about changing WS.

I just don't personally enjoy it.

[calm shard]

God I crave gun veteran buffs

[lusty ether]

I don't think it's badly designed at all.

[calm shard]

I want to marksmans focus and headshot every heretic on atoma

[hollow ibex]

anyday now

surely

[calm shard]

Put the light of the emperor in their heads one more time with the flash of a lasgun

[spark cipher]

Gun veteran buffs is just playing ogryn down right tree

[calm shard]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1033034004288520254/1117316081426628649/IMG_0262.gif

Gun not shoot straight

[unreal nova]

I know. Like, there's 3 things that don't need buffing.

We all know what those three things are.

[calm shard]

kill zone, catch a breath, and shock trooper

[unreal nova]

Why do I see you doing the heh face saying that?

[manic badger]

this kill zone?

[calm shard]

yeah

free 15% ranged damage just for not being hit in melee

pretty banger talent

[manic badger]

oh my god

[unreal nova]

It used to be horrible.

[manic badger]

I just came back after a 2 year break I Read that and thought even if they swing at you it turns it off

[calm shard]

no you have to get hit

[unreal nova]

Just dodge, don't block.

[manic badger]

Oh I do, Catch a Breath seemed like the most broken thing in the world because of that

Was catch a breath always like that?

[calm shard]

no

catch a breath and kill zone both used to be based on enemy proximity

now you have to have actually been hit by something for them to turn off

[manic badger]

so useless

[calm shard]

yeah

[hollow ibex]

it was still better than GBITF

[manic badger]

I was watching my toughness tick up while getting shot by gunners and was like aight this is busted

[hollow ibex]

i think the only change CAB needs is to not turn off while blocking

[unreal nova]

Only use is pure gunfights... which is as rare as you think. Now it has more use than that.

[manic badger]

I solo q too much to believe in the existence of pure gunfights

[unreal nova]

So you understand why proximity based is useless unless it's how close you are to x.

[quiet valley]

Catch a breath is pretty detrimental in high Havoc, the constant regen stun locks ur character when you get toughness broken

It’s good in other modes tho

[manic badger]

can you not just shout to break the stunlock?

replied to wrong person

[unreal nova]

Might be exe stance.

[quiet valley]

Just get the stun immune if you are going shout anyway, there’s a special camera stagger effect when you lose all ur toughness

[tame lodge]

Why's bro getting tg broken on havoc

[quiet valley]

If you keep getting chipped to zero, it shakes the fuck out of your screen

[tame lodge]

💀

[manic badger]

Not 100% what you mean here

[quiet valley]

BoN slap, Plasma Cap, Twins Mines, etc

[spark cipher]

executioner stance moment

[tame lodge]

Just block the slap
Don't get shot
Don't step on the mines

💀

[unreal nova]

Anything based on distance away from enemies is trash. Anything based distance close to enemies is fine-ish.

[quiet valley]

Exec stance needs ranged dmg reduction again, but that’s another can of worms

[quiet valley]

Bro 💀

[calm shard]

I swear that BoN melee attacks have randomly generated hitboxes

[manic badger]

I found that out sort of while testing long shot in psykanium

[spark cipher]

I am running 2 charges of infiltrate to fiend over the interrogators jamming more than payday's drills

[manic badger]

I just hate inconsistent uptime blessings and perks to begin with

[tame lodge]

You'll not love Skirmisher

[calm shard]

Oh god inconsistent uptime mentioned with a Perfectionist apologist in the chat

[tame lodge]

Silly goober

They try to nerf you with only 15 stacks of DD

[quiet valley]

Go back to Pskyer chat

[tame lodge]

They can't keep my power in check

[quiet valley]

Get another DD buff smh

[tame lodge]

It's 25 or nothing

[manic badger]

I don't like a perk that encourages you somewhat to sprint spam to begin with.

[calm shard]

the buffs will continue until scriers gaze usage increases

[spark cipher]

EP enjoyers :3

[unreal nova]

XD

[quiet valley]

Let’s buff the best Pskyer Keystone, wtf? Let’s add quelling to Gaze???

[unreal nova]

That's like, one of the worst nodes. It barely is on.

[manic badger]

Yea discoverd that in psykanium decided to never pick it ever

[calm shard]

Fatshark probably tracks how often keystones and abilities appear in games

And I don't doubt for a second that SG and DD are some of the rarest in the game

Just because it's kinda hard to play

[quiet valley]

They need the Gaze usage to go over 10% in Malice, my bad lol

[calm shard]

And DD is annoying to play because people will steal your stacks

[unreal nova]

Cos nobody but the best uses it. Let's buff it more than the stuff that needs it.

[spark cipher]

Using venting shriek so I can shout "AMOGUS" over vc

[quiet valley]

Can’t wait for the Bubble buff to also quell peril and remove gas/fire before smokes buff

[calm shard]

bubble is overused

if anything it's gonna get nerfed like Chorus did

[unreal nova]

Where BB buff?

[manic badger]

I was actually shocked after coming back that they didn't make it so you still gained a stack if your teammate shot the enemy even if you had to be in coherency range or something

[unreal nova]

Even if Chorus is really only good because Havoc is BS enough to need it.

Considering average players.

[spark cipher]

hoping fatty whale doesn't balance solely off of usage stats, haven't been around long enough to know the minds of this madness

Lest we end up in "flavor of the month loops" with them never understanding why something gets so much use

[manic badger]

I mean their biggest feedback contributors mainly focus on ogryn which is why the reworked tree is so good

and vet and psyker is a cluster fuck

[quiet valley]

Pskyer is fine, Zealot and Vet are fucked rn

[unreal nova]

Vet is more fucked tbh. Zealot is 1.5 builds.

[woven cove]

Did the Twins mission on Damnation.

It's all smooth sailing until the actual fight, the only really hard part is when they disappear and you have to run from one vent to another to avoid toxic gas.

Bringing smoke grenades to enhanced blitz maelstrom mission.

[unreal nova]

Mini obscura den.

Bringing twinned smokes to carnival is extra funni.

[spark cipher]

In Snoop Dog we trust

[woven cove]

Honestly barely use smoke grenades cause...well, they don't seem to do much.

I only really have them for the path that I want on the tree.

[sharp epoch]

The only use case is like havoc maybe if you don't have a psyker, its like a pseudo bubble

[woven cove]

I think there was one time when someone went down to gunners or snipers and I threw a smoke nade to revive them, that was their time to shine.

[unreal nova]

When they work, they are good... they just barely work if you have any sort of ping.

[sharp epoch]

ping affects smokes?

[woven cove]

Smoke grenades would be good if they stunned melee enemies for like a second or two when they go off.

[unreal nova]

You still get shot to death in it even if you move when lagging.

[sharp epoch]

they do a slight stagger effect so they kinda do

[woven cove]

I never noticed, tbh.

[unreal nova]

Even if you threw it at them, they can still aim and shoot you to death if lagging.

[sharp epoch]

wadabutt

[woven cove]

I've heard enemies can sometimes shoot at the last location they saw you at, so you might have to move out of the way a little.

Like, they will shoot where you were when the smoke got deployed, but you can move out of the firing line. Idk.

[tame lodge]

Patched ages ago

Just stay inside the smoke

[unreal nova]

I mean, I did move. They just tracked me down.

The worst is. One on self, one twinned on them, one on ally downed. I was shot at the entire time.

[warm schooner]

smokes are great, oftentimes way more utility than frags in havoc 40 pugs

need the team to understand how to take advantage of them, and for the thrower to have the game sense to use them right

[red robin]

there's a clear smokes mod on nexus that adds a radius and hides the smoke

i think the mod maker just ironed out the buggy bits with it

[hollow ibex]

Hax reee

[opaque shoal]

Is the vet shotgun good? I used it once long time ago, don't remember now

The combat shotgun

[woven cove]

Eh.

[frank basin]

still the same

no changes

shotgun are my secondary favorite

[opaque shoal]

Yeah but I don't remember what it was like lol

[frank basin]

same thing

[woven cove]

They're ok.

I like the slug one cause all shotguns shred ogryns (except the crushers cause of carapace) and the slug shot will knock a bulwark's shield away.

Slug shot for shield, normal shot for face, both stagger a bulwark.

[hollow ibex]

bad or mid, mostly bad

the only good shotgun rn is the double barrel

[woven cove]

Kickback.

[hollow ibex]

well for human classes

the ogryn shotties are good in general

unlike the human ones

[woven cove]

Combat shotguns also magically deal more damage if you aim down sights.

It's a pretty big difference between a hip fire shot and an ADS shot.

[unreal nova]

More pellets.

I think is +3.

Ask Path.

[dry cloak]

but those pellets are invisible iirc

just minimal pellet count if im not mistaken

[woven cove]

It's a difference of about 40% damage on headshots between hip-fire and ADS.

[unreal nova]

All I know is more pellets. Assuming point blank shots.

[opaque shoal]

Yeah combat shotgun is ight

It doesn't feel as good as you think it should lol

[woven cove]

I just don't understand why they made combat shotguns like this.

Also the damage doesn't change on body shots, only weakspot shots.

[opaque shoal]

Yeah it's not great

Should have more spread and deal better close range damage I think

[unreal nova]

It has finesse modifier maybe?

In the ADS shot.

[woven cove]

The attack breakdown page actually shows that aiming down sights gives increased weakspot damage.

[opaque shoal]

I FELT like I got more damage when I ads with it

[unreal nova]

I mean, is why ppl joke about sniper shotguns.

[woven cove]

From the medkit on the table, you can shoot a reaper and get full damage.

If you step back, you will start losing damage.

[unreal nova]

Slug sniper.

[woven cove]

That's with the regular shot. The slug doesn't care about distance.

[opaque shoal]

Bruh lol

[woven cove]

Actually, no, the slug does care about distance, but not as much.

[fading yarrow]

Level 26 Psyker in Auric Damnation Maelstrom

Save me

[opaque shoal]

It's like at that point use a revolver or bolt pistol

[woven cove]

The only shotgun I liked using was the slug one.

Cause the headshot damage against most enemies is pretty good, the slug can stagger anything that isn't a boss, and the slug knocks bulwarks' shields, making them easier to deal with.

[opaque shoal]

I've seen some serious boss nuking from a vet with the Double barrel tho

[woven cove]

Double Barrel is a separate thing.

[hollow ibex]

DB doesn’t have great boss dps

[orchid hemlock]

DB is more of a wave clear tool

[woven cove]

I mean the combat shotguns.

[hollow ibex]

You spend too much time reloading

[steady wolf]

Double barrel is my favorite, the literal infinite cleave can instantly turn 30 poxxies into a bloody mist

[hollow ibex]

Yeah exactly

[opaque shoal]

Maybe he naded it or something then, I didn't see exactly how he killed it lol

[woven cove]

Double Barrel actually feels like a shotgun.

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent is keep their heads down good for recon las? 🤔

[tall torrent]

it's alr ig

I still think born leader is strongest in that row

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah but I'm wondering if havocs it could be useful to stop gunners from firing or dogs from jumping

[hollow ibex]

dogs can't be suppressed i think

[tall torrent]

suppression has no effect on pox hounds

[orchid hemlock]

Hmm maybe BAG are the secret then 🤔

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e0a3f5e-1fd1-4eb4-85ac-996f01651ac7/brace-for-impact?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Something like this

I've used this in Aurics Maels and just tickled the toes of Bullwalks and they get suppressed

[tall torrent]

bulwarks cannot be suppressed

[orchid hemlock]

Then how am I opening up their shields?

[hollow ibex]

stagger

[orchid hemlock]

Also,in Havocs I'm assuming the the cleave on the agri is useless too 😞

[opaque shoal]

I've seen some pretty cracked vets running the dueling sword

No wonder commissars like it lol

[fading yarrow]

Perhaps today isn't an Auric Maelstrom day...

[tame lodge]

Stagger

Get the braces Graia 4

Brace

Shoot the shield

It should take all your mag to open

Or at least 80+ %

And I think Sneaky Cat did the testing with recons

Took like 90 shots or so

[severe jolt]

Doesn't seem like a good idea, wasting all that ammo just to make an opening through their shields. The special attack on the shock maul will let you just break through their shield like it doesn't even exist.

[hollow ibex]

it's definitely just for the memes lol

[hollow ibex]

yeah turns out using a broken op weapon lets you do well

[sharp epoch]

It also just made for havoc, the mobillity, boss killing, and anti-armor capabillity

[hollow ibex]

yeah ofc, given that the party will prob have someone that can wreck hordes

[sharp epoch]

just missing hordeclear, but that's why you got a psyker or oggie

I think a lot of weapons just simply become unviable because they suck against armor and bosses

catachans, heavy sword, shovel

[umbral scaffold]

Devil sword perks and blessings? Ty

And what mark ?

[hollow ibex]

flakiac.... and then check pins for blessings

[tame lodge]

4 or 7

[hollow ibex]

mk iv or vii

or preferably, none

because dclaw is ass

[tame lodge]

Good old flakiac

[umbral scaffold]

I need to lv.it up

[tame lodge]

Shred+ Rampage or Sweep

[hollow ibex]

rip

ig you can power level it if you have the resources

[umbral scaffold]

Nope

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[orchid hemlock]

Not their shield, I tickle their toes and they just can't stop laughing

[severe jolt]

Isn't the shovel with the mode switch decent against armor?

[sharp epoch]

Against bosses not really

[manic badger]

Alot of buffs and nerfs have happened since I stopped playing in 2023 any recommendations for guns outside of Accatran/Revolver/Plasma gun? Doesn't have to by hyper meta just good guns for some variety

[hollow ibex]

SAP is funny, not op like it used to be, but not trash either

bolter has been significantly buffed, very strong

IAGs are still good

graia braced is funny, space ppsh, but really needs exec stance

laspis is still good

DB shotgun is very fun

and good

uhh... so yeah, most guns are actually pretty good atm

for am/auric

[manic badger]

Double barrel you run with WP I assume?

[hollow ibex]

WS yeah

[frank basin]

On a goddamn weapon specialist

[severe jolt]

infantry autoguns are good(at least one of them, forget which mark)
bolter is good now
bolt pistol is good, pretty close to revolver in terms of performance
helbore CAN be good, but many people dislike how slow it can feel

[manic badger]

dunno why I typed a P

[unreal nova]

DB WS basically the best way to avoid the reload... Like for revolver. XD

[manic badger]

I was messing with bolt pistol but it doesn't pen at all like the revolver so it seemed more like a use it for specials type weapon than a cleave through a line of gunners weapon

[hollow ibex]

bistol's mostly used as a funny buff stick

because lethal proximity also buffs grenade radius

[manic badger]

What exactly did they buff about bolter

[hollow ibex]

damage

used to be a nerf gun against stuff like dogs, will now two shot them

[severe jolt]

Yeah it has an AoE like the bolter instead of penetration like the revolver.

[woven cove]

How come the plasma gun doesn't have a long swap animation like some of the other heavy guns?

[frank basin]

It doesn’t have safety switch

Not like helbore

[opaque shoal]

Bolter is great, just kinda slow and ammo hungry

[severe jolt]

It has a god awfully long reload though.

plasma that is

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[unreal nova]

Just WS it.

[hollow ibex]

it's balanced by the fact that you don't actually have to reload that often

and when you do, you can do it in an elevator or something

[woven cove]

Bolter is so much fun to mag dump.

[hollow ibex]

and there's a very generous reload cancel

so it's actually all very lenient

[unreal nova]

Or just WS Always Prepared.

[hollow ibex]

i don't think always prepared plasma's particularly worth it tbh

[opaque shoal]

Makes you feel like a space marine lol

[manic badger]

You don't reload it enough for it to be worth it, at least to me

plus you can animation cancel the plasma reload anyway

[unreal nova]

Well, not in Havoc anyway, you would be out of ammo if you are shooting it that willy nilly.

[woven cove]

You don't need to reload it nearly as often as the bolter, tho.

You do have to vent heat every few shots, I guess, but it doesn't take long, and the more heat you have, the faster you vent it. There's a bit of self damage involved, but it's not that much, both infiltrate and voice of command restore toughness, and voice of command is a meta ability, most people will have it.

[opaque shoal]

How much harder is Havoc compared to Auric Malstrome?

[inland orchid]

Depends on the rank of the havoc

[opaque shoal]

How many Havoc ranks?

[hearty panther]

Parity is about Havoc 25~

[spark cipher]

imagine if ogryns could use it

[hearty panther]

Ogryns have their own lethal prox

It's on the Power Maul

So you never see it. It's also conditional

[inland orchid]

Yes

[severe jolt]

Don't Ogryns have a node on the talent tree that buffs blast radius too?

[hearty panther]

ye

[spark cipher]

come to think of it, could ogryns use bolters?

[inland orchid]

The conditions on said havocs can be a big factor too, a popular condition that I see people avoid is the corruption spreads due to the goop on the floor

[opaque shoal]

I've been trying to beat Auric Malstrome, I've made decent progress some runs but haven't beat it yet

[unreal nova]

Honestly... 20-26 is Auric Mael. Depends on how much the director wants you DEAD for the former lvls.

Past 26 is much harder.

[inland orchid]

Try asking for help in #vox-lfg-lexicanum u might get a dream team

[unreal nova]

Once you get to 30... HEH.

GL past 35 is all I'll say.

[tame lodge]

Maybe heavy bolters

[severe jolt]

I guess? The big problem with ogryns is that they manhandle their weapons, so all their guns need to be ogryn-proofed by making them as durable and easy to use as possible. I don't see why an ogryn couldn't operate a heavy bolter specially designed for them.

[inland orchid]

Probs a lot of paperwork to get it in a game

[opaque shoal]

Wait do you only need to beat regular Malstrome to unlock havoc?..

[inland orchid]

If u beat auric instead you get a small rank boost

[opaque shoal]

Lol

Well I guess I may as well keep trying

[woven cove]

I've been using all kinds of guns to get their mastery and it's kinda neat that the shredder autopistol can shoot while sprinting without requiring a blessing.

[inland orchid]

But yes u can beat regular malestrums

[unreal nova]

That gets you to Havoc 1. Auric Mael gets you 16.

[opaque shoal]

Appreciate the info

[unreal nova]

From what I know, if you demote down past 16... You can do an Auric mael again to go back to 16.

[woven cove]

I did a maelstrom mission with muttie hordes modifier and it was kinda fun having like 6 mutants charge you at once.

[unreal nova]

Cos someone keeps reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeing at me about how painful it is to demote back to 1 to slack in H1.

[woven cove]

Warp Nexus except it also gives crit damage.

Bruh.

I honestly haven't used the plasma gun yet, and haven't really looked at the blessings.

[inland orchid]

That’s ok there’s a fuck ton of guns at your disposal

It’s only natural ur not gonna have them all used

[umbral scaffold]

I use gets hot and rising heat

[woven cove]

Yeah, I used most of them enough to get full mastery.

[inland orchid]

Could’ve fooled me I got most of mine from donating weapons to hadron

Props to you tho

[woven cove]

I sacrificed some weapons here and there to speed things up, but only like a level or two per weapon.

[inland orchid]

Meanwhile mine can be summed up as a purge of my money wallet

[woven cove]

Also got most melee weapons, too.

[inland orchid]

I won’t lie the few exclusive vet weapons being untouched is something else to me

Maxed out the shovel but didn’t bat the powersword a glance

[severe jolt]

donating weapons to hadron's onlyfans is for cowards
real operators play dozens of games with weapons they hate

[woven cove]

I got mastery on most melee weapons with Zealot and Psyker.

On vet, I was more focused on guns.

[frank basin]

Veteran full arsenal of guns

But I need more toy to play with

More guns

[spark cipher]

Devil May Cry Claw sword

[frank basin]

Mk4 claw sword

[spark cipher]

only now touching shovel after I maxxed out dc

[lusty ether]

mostly because bolters are sacred and ogryns are kinda...mutants

canonically there's a regular ass guy wearing a tank top who can fire a heavy bolter unassisted

[frank basin]

Is the warband even Astartes or rogue trader?

[lusty ether]

neither?

it's Inquisition stuff

they just co-opted a rogue trader ship as like a base

(somebody correct me if I'm wrong)

[spark cipher]

I mean, dunno how it's different to a bunch of convicts wielding bolt pistols

unless those aren't sacred for some reason

[lusty ether]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spark cipher]

oh also psykers using them too

[frank basin]

If bolter are sacred, how come veteran hold 100 rounds of it?

[lusty ether]

I wouldn't mind a heavy bolter

though I can't really see how it would play that differently from heavy stubber

[frank basin]

It gonna kill the gameplay anyway

[woven cove]

Bolter rounds are stored in the veteran drip.

[lusty ether]

special veteran...pockets

...

[frank basin]

Heavy bolter are high rof and drum hold like 50 rounds

[lusty ether]

I still want ogryn to get a stub revolver cannon deal

[frank basin]

Belt fed backpack bolt can carry 500

[frank basin]

I went idea of shield and pistol long ago

[lusty ether]

on ogryn?

[frank basin]

Yes

Ogryn sized pistol

With shield

[lusty ether]

there's 40k models with riot shields and shotguns

[woven cove]

Ogryn with a ogryn sized buckler doing devil claw parries.

Ogryn sized parries.

[lusty ether]

for melee weapons I just kinda want brass knuckles

big ass ogryn brass knuckles

[severe jolt]

In-game, we're just buying some random surplus stuff from the quartermaster and having it modified by the artificer.

[frank basin]

Ogryn with shield and pistol aim to block projectile and ads down

Special just melee

[lusty ether]

only problem with that is what buttons do what

does right click do the shield or the ads?

[frank basin]

Both

Is ads and block shield

[lusty ether]

I guess

[manic badger]

Yea thats common

for shield/gun right click blocks and aims

[lusty ether]

not really super fond of shield+gun combo

[frank basin]

That’s how it work

[lusty ether]

prefer the idea of like sabre+pistol

but like, slashy sabre

[frank basin]

At least more variety toy to play with

[lusty ether]

not duelling sabre

and that would be on veteran

[woven cove]

Ogryn has shield and gun in the artwork in the middle of the talent tree.

[lusty ether]

they could just give a bunch of the ogryn weapons some actual variants

[frank basin]

I’ll think the special attack is shoot hip firing for Sabre and pistol

[lusty ether]

like a kickback variant where you can load a slug

[frank basin]

It won’t work that kickback is very big bore

[lusty ether]

artillery shell

[frank basin]

Rumbler

[lusty ether]

rumbler variant that loads a straight-ish shooting artillery shell/tank round

[frank basin]

I’ll think crazier is a comically large size bolter round

[lusty ether]

Stubber variant that's belt fed

and doesn't reload

[woven cove]

Rumbler variant that loads heretic heads that you punch off with cleaver punch attack.

[frank basin]

It would be for heavy bolter

350 round for ogryn slow rof

But bolter are too powerful and people gonna dislike ogryn stuff

[manic badger]

I'd do anything for some Dual wield hammers on ogryn where it's just two pieces of rebar with big ass concrete blocks at the end

[frank basin]

They’ll gonna ask to remove or nerf to ground

[lusty ether]

I would love to have the concrete block hammer that enemies get

or a giant sharpened piece of rebar as a sword, or something

[frank basin]

Power fist gonna be laughable

[manic badger]

I don't think they will ever add dual wield anything to this game unfortunately

[frank basin]

It won’t

But small hope

Last time people want

Add chaos marine for boss fight like death guard

Other most come to reply “No”

Solo mode asker been dead long year

[severe jolt]

That's basically how it worked in VT2 for Saltzpyre's rapier&pistol. Special attack was firing your pistol with your off-hand. Didn't do great damage, but you could do it while keeping your block up.

[frank basin]

Yeah Darktide version it has round counter too

Not like one shot flintlock

Spam 5-8 shot and press r or it auto reload

[severe jolt]

That would work. In VT2 it drained your stamina for each shot. Which I suppose, game mechanics-wise was pretty good choice.

[frank basin]

Talking about stun pistol

Alternatively block and aim the gun functional firing

It’s gonna look wierd

Specials attack can go from quick shot or obvious Sabre stab

Reload would disable your melee until finish reload

I forgot the push are very important

Darktide has 6 combinations button

Okay so here my remake vision, keep melee Sabre push and push attack, use special attack for shooting, aim to block also give you ads the gun and use the special attack to shoot

[spark cipher]

I just miss the detailed combo chart from darktide, where it showed a projection of the swing and what followups you could do

[frank basin]

@lusty ether do you like this idea?

[woven cove]

Still don't understand why semi-auto infantry lasgun has recoil, while full auto recon lasgun has none.

[hollow ibex]

apparently recoil-less ilas felt bad to use

so they added recoil

[severe jolt]

A better question is WHY DO LASER WEAPONS HAVE RECOIL

[unreal nova]

BECAUSE.

[severe jolt]

WHY DO THEY HAVE SPREAD

[unreal nova]

See above.

[hearty panther]

laser hot

[spark cipher]

no feedback, feels puny i guess

[hearty panther]

and yes no recoil just feels shit

[spark cipher]

then again I don't think there's really a proper "sniper" yet in terms of big ass gun with a telescope on top (would be comically impractical in a game like this)

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/eminem-8miles-brabbit-promise-rap-gif-13420799

[severe jolt]

The only explanation for a laser weapon having these things is our heroes being so hung over they can't hold the rifle straight

[orchid hemlock]

Alcoholic core

[severe jolt]

I mean the idea is supported by the in-game lore. Morrow tells you to get drunk once the mission is over in at least one of the voice lines.

[orchid hemlock]

I mean when u live in Space Britain what more is there to do?

[spark cipher]

Can't be space Britain, knives too deadly

[uncut pebble]

They burn gas with the energy in their packs. Spread is explained by lenses coming out of focus.

[severe jolt]

It's implied elsewhere, that these rejects of ours are substance abusers. People complain that the sentry uniform has only one glove - but have you ever been a chain smoker? Thing is, you always want to keep one glove off, so you have a free hand to smoke without getting the stains or the smell on your gloves.

Not to mention the Kriegerhelm has a pack of Inquisition brand cigarettes strapped to it.

[uncut pebble]

Getting the glove dirty is not the issue with smoking. Being able to properly manipulate the cigarette is.

[spark cipher]

Sticking ciggies into the filter

[severe jolt]

It absolutely is. Mate I'm a heavy smoker myself. I use a cigarette holder precisely so I can smoke without getting my gloves dirty.

[spark cipher]

isn't that what fingerless gloves are for?

[severe jolt]

You can't really wear fingerless gloves in subzero temperatures.

[spark cipher]

don't really think being barehanded is much better for that

[uncut pebble]

You take another look at that reject and tell me he gives a rats ass about whether or not his glove is dirty.

Fact of the matter is, manipulating either weaponry or a cigarette, either way, is harder with gloves on. (yes I know his right hand is still gloved)

Most gloves are not made to go into the trigger well of firearms. They just don't work well together. It gets especially bad when using something that loads one round at a time because you either drop a round or get your glove stuck.

[severe jolt]

Glove goes on when you need to work, otherwise your hand stays in your pocket, or you're smoking. Geez, you really aren't a smoker are you?

[uncut pebble]

For example, you can look at the combat shotgun. You load 1 round at a time. Ever worn a glove while you do that? The feed ramp bites your glove every single time lmao.

And I know they don't do this in darktide but to safely unload a pump shotgun without firing it, there's a little lever on the outside of the trigger well you have to press, and thats nigh impossible with most of them if you try to do it with a glove.

[spark cipher]

Nope

[uncut pebble]

TLDR reject no care about dirty glove.

[manic badger]

Awhile back I kind of vaguely remember them making Rending Strikes only affect melee is that still true?

[uncut pebble]

That was never true.

Rending strikes does even more than just affect weapons, it affects damage over time effects, too.

[manic badger]

It was for sure a thing on one of the rending talents somewhere because it was being abused

[uncut pebble]

That was chastise on zealout.

It used to downgrade armor types, like carapace would be considered flak, for guns.

So you could spray a group of crushers down in 1 mag.

Now chastise is just 100% rending bonus on your first melee of the duration, plus its other effects.

[manic badger]

That's pretty gross

Maybe it was that rending strikes used to be 15% and they were talking about it changing to only affecting melee but decided to just nerf it by 5%

[severe jolt]

I can tell. I'm just talking about it as someone who has a fair bit of experience with smoking.

[manic badger]

I can't remember it was right around the time i quit

[severe jolt]

It doesn't track with every other penance uniform having both gloves.

[dreamy scaffold]

i believe atleast the lore accurate sentry is a smoker

cadian vet? he smokes Lho

he also probbaly just lost his glove at some point

[woven cove]

Just learned Full Bore blessing works really well on the slug shotgun cause the slug activates it and pretty much any headshot from short range also activates it.

[lusty ether]

I was dog walking

but it seems cool

tbh, it's been long enough in VT2 that I don't remember all the weapons

and saltzpyre was never my main

[severe jolt]

I think it tracks. In Northern Europe, both convicts and conscripts smoke like a chimney, and our veteran is supposed to be both.

So with fatshark being a Swedish studio...

[spark cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/locomotive-the-harder-they-fall-train-steam-engine-choo-choo-gif-22109133

[hollow ibex]

wait until you learn how no respite works 😉

[spark cipher]

how does it work

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[fading yarrow]

Pardon me, question

I keep hearing that FS got rid of the topless cosmetics because of GW, but if that's the case, how come Sefoni is unchanged?

[spark cipher]

The
What

[fading yarrow]

You know, the cosmetics from the character customization screen

The underwear

[woven cove]

Mk VI Power Sword is so strong.

Block push attack is a stab with a downwards chop follow up, really strong against crushers. Buff sword, do combo, destroy a crusher.

The way power swords work tho, a little boring. Use Power Cycler, press special button, destroy whatever is in front of you, repeat.

[tame lodge]

Each attack applies 1 instance of No Respite, stacks up to 7
While the enemy is staggered you deal 20-140% extra damage

Vaguely explaining

Your own ranged damage it seems

Shotguns pretty much rock with No Respite

[lusty ether]

At the same time, it is pretty fun to just bifurcate the shit out of things.

Not that many other things routinely cleave the heck out of crushers, so when they suddenly fly in half it's kinda memorable.

[woven cove]

I like cleaving mutants in half with the illisi force sword on a psyker.

[severe jolt]

Alri? Why are you posting this in the vet talk?

[lusty ether]

Becuase we got bored of talking about ogryns and heavy bolters

obviously

[woven cove]

Because we're talking about cleaving things?

[lusty ether]

Unless you have thoughts about heavy bolters

[spark cipher]

Every class chat is just a different flavor of general chat

[woven cove]

Zealot chat is a different breed.

[tame lodge]

Cleavers cleave best

Simple as

[gentle maple]

Is there no decay on the havoc clearance rank, just the assignment rank?

[frank basin]

No

[woven cove]

I've been playing veteran so much with the speedy build (5% speed node, 5% speed aura).

Being super fast is fun.

[spark cipher]

infiltrate on top of that

[hollow ibex]

This is the way

[woven cove]

I also got the talent for speed when running towards downed teammates.

I am ZOOMING across the map to help out.

I only switched to voice of command for the twins mission on damnation after I failed on the first attempt.

I probably didn't really have to, but it helped.

[cobalt lance]

How to complete 90% accuracy penance?

It would be much easier if I didn't have to spend ALL my ammo

[spark cipher]

barrelstuff everything
treat your gun as a melee weapon

[woven cove]

I guess you'd have to just shoot until out of ammo without missing, then just not pick up any ammo.

Idk, I haven't done it.

[uncut pebble]

Use a shotgun. Don't pick up any ammo. Don't play with bots or other vets to avoid survivalist.

If any single pellet hits an enemy, it counts as a hit for all of them, so you can't miss.

[woven cove]

People say smoke grenades are bad, but honestly, krak grenades are worse.

By the time they go off, whatever you threw them at is usually already dead, unless it's a boss.

[spark cipher]

It's funny because shotgun ammo economy

[spark cipher]

So how do I do the start to finish part without getting thrown into a quickplay mission?

[narrow frost]

its chance, unless its private

[woven cove]

Really like the armor you get from doing infiltrate and smoke nades penances.

[spark cipher]

Getal Mear Solid

[tame lodge]

Yeah infiltrator pants are peak

[austere mica]

There's like 3-4 knifes on that set

[fading yarrow]

It still counts if you empty your reserves and switch to the melee; the ammo from Survivalist won't interfere

[uncut pebble]

Ah, well, I didn't know that.

I just assumed survivalist did.

Still, it makes keeping your ammo down hard when it replenishes before you empty your reserve.

[shadow dagger]

i know im not supposed to trust havoc levels but jfc

1.2k dmg taken

[fading yarrow]

Is it just me or has every Auric Maelstrom been I-E-F today

Hunting Grounds, Nurgle's Blessing, 20% ability cooldown reduction

[woven cove]

Does Field Improvisation work for all crates or only ones I drop?

[narrow frost]

all

and only when your character is on the map

so the 20 seconds it takes to respond, it wont work

other then that, its the entire mission

[woven cove]

Nice.

[signal cypress]

I got these two autoguns from doing games

Tbh i aint got the dockets to gamble so which would be more... efficient?

[manic badger]

What blessings for bolt gun? Pinning fire/Fire frenzy?

[narrow frost]

blessings combos in the pinned guide

[narrow frost]

but pinning and surgical

[manic badger]

Am I supposed to read this as either puncture/surg/cavalcade for first blessing, then pinning fire or shattering for second?

[pseudo fiber]

yes

honestly path sometimes writes it in different ways if I'm wrong someone can correct I'm sure hehe

but I run puncture pinning fire personally

[woven cove]

I think giving up shredder grenades kinda forced me to get better at the game, cause what would happen is I would get overwhelmed and drop all 3 grenades at once and hope for the best, but I can't do that with smoke grenades, so I had to get gud.

[hollow ibex]

playing without VOC made me a better player at the game

[hollow ibex]

this is slightly outdated

[hollow ibex]

the above is assuming vet ofc

[woven cove]

Infiltrate for funny.

Honestly, I barely use it, it's for emergencies, like getting to a teammate who needs help, or doing an objective without interruptions.

I do sometimes use it as a panic button, but not that often.

[hollow ibex]

yeah infil's great

[placid portal]

Imagine higher lvl team play to use infil as scout ahead map and plan attack

[tropic notch]

Infiltrate so poopy

I wish we could have gotten a big gun or grenade launcher

[woven cove]

Take free grenades and demolition team, become the grenade launcher.

[tropic notch]

It’s alright for objectives but that’s it in my opinion

[tropic notch]

I know

[placid portal]

Infiltrate but you disguise as an Human Elite/Special with their gear and use it for a while

[lusty ether]

BOMBER REPORTING

and/or simply "huehuehuehuehuehue"

[woven cove]

You turn into a poxburster.

Good luck.

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/plasma-darktide-gif-3239624628315971488

[serene bough]

infl will always look bad next to VoC

hard to justify taking either exe or infil over VoC for any reason other than preference

[unreal nova]

Naw, AIRSTRIKE at point location.

[serene bough]

hello @unreal nova can you help me with MM

[unreal nova]

Pierces buildings cos funny.

[unreal nova]

I'm having breakfast. So if you have time, just play a run first.

[serene bough]

ok sure

[woven cove]

It's on a fun path with movement speed bonuses and agile engagement, which works well with weapon specialist.

[fading yarrow]

[unreal nova]

Would be 17-25 mins which is just perfect for breakfast and wash up of dishes.

[serene bough]

its not a garbage tier ability, just that it'll always look worse when compared to VoC

[fading yarrow]

Auric Maelstrom, me and an Ogryn with two dead
Ogryn got netted while we were mid-horde, I was right next to him so I immediately released him but he left the match a millisecond after I finished

[unreal nova]

It could have the damage and/or TDR built in.

[serene bough]

i think both exe and infil should have some team support element built into it, in addition to that

[manic badger]

exe should last as long as ogryn point blank barrage

zero reason for it not to

[unreal nova]

1 node, Close and Kill, together. Everyone in coherency range gains the effect of infil.

Even the TDR and Damage buffs if taken.

[serene bough]

yeah and exe can have back the TDR node they used to have but teamwide

[unreal nova]

Firing squad, everyone in coherency range gains ranged TDR and weaker(?) ranged buffs. They are not forced into the zoomed in thing though.

If FS wants to be nice, elite/special kills made by teammates under the effect extends Exe Stance by 2 secs.

So not as painful to be "KSed".

[tame lodge]

The reason is that it can go infinitely

[manic badger]

All the nodes under weapon specialist with the exception of Always Prepared need to be reworked completely

[manic badger]

nah you just change the bonus from kills to a lesser amount

[unreal nova]

I mean, they are all too weak to bother.

[manic badger]

That's what I mean they need to be reworked

[unreal nova]

Too many tax points, too little actual points.

[tropic notch]

Not always prepared but the others yeah

[unreal nova]

We are talking about all the other nodes.

[tropic notch]

[unreal nova]

Only one of value is that.

Read the full chain.

[manic badger]

one of the nodes restoring 20% stamina is actually hilariously dog shit.

like outside of some extremely niche circumstances like true solo horde kiting its worthless and even then it's still worthless because duck and dive would make it redundant anyway

[unreal nova]

If it were like 80%, it might be better but even then... Just dodge.

Hell, I don't think anyone would even bat an eye if it were just built into the base. Gain 2.5 % stamina per stack for melee, gain 25% on ranged kill.

And I can literally make a bet not much changes except you can run around more before swapping.

[manic badger]

This part

[unreal nova]

And aren't taxed a talent for it.

You could say, But, but free stam on ranged kill... My ans? It's literally what it already does. And only people on deadshot brainrot would even think of it.

[manic badger]

I gave up on deadshot 2 years ago, but I don't mind giving people an option to build around it

[unreal nova]

Like, no hate or anything, but Vets having like 4-5 sub-nodes for their keystones is ridiculous.

[manic badger]

I just think there isn't enough feedback advocates for the vet tree similar to zealot

of the people that fatshark listens to

actively

[unreal nova]

Considering everything is so heavily taxed in the first place.

[tropic notch]

Vets tree still needs a rework lol

Even though it’s been reworked like twice

[manic badger]

that's not throwing shade at those people they did a great job giving feedback for the ogryn talent tree rework

its actually the most well done out of any of the classes now Imo

[fading yarrow]

Say, has anyone else heard the voice line for Male Professional having an improperly treated leg injury?

[hollow ibex]

eh those weren't really full reworks

[hollow ibex]

on the one hand ogryn tree is great, on the other hand, ogryn is fucking busted

[manic badger]

I'd consider only one build currently brain rot busted for ogryn

the the other two are just really good

[tropic notch]

Cleaver light brain rot

[hollow ibex]

ogryn's prob the strongest class rn tbh

and that's saying a lot

[manic badger]

the cleaver light brain rot is pretty funny to play

[tropic notch]

Light a dh to death

[manic badger]

but I was talking about the spamgryn rumbler

[hollow ibex]

not as fun as the basher light brainrot

[hollow ibex]

actually cancer

worse than smykers

i see one in my match, i just leave

[tropic notch]

God I hate them

[hollow ibex]

or i maliciously take every peice of ammo

so they can't fire

because you know they're going to be out of ammo within a minute

[manic badger]

that shit just deletes room after room

and bosses

like pick one either or not both

[hollow ibex]

yeah just turns off the game

[tropic notch]

Recon vet, smyker, rumbler ogryn, and stealth zealot are some ass

Stealth zealot be like yeah dude it’s so good but I can’t clear hoards

[manic badger]

old assail psyker with a hand cannon to proc 70% rending on assail permanently

was the most aids thing i've ever seen in this game

actually completely deleting everything

[tropic notch]

Does hand cannon still work?

[manic badger]

no they patched it a long time ago

[spring tide]

how do you guys move so fast? I'm always struggling to keep up with the rest of the team

[manic badger]

only way to move faster is with a weapon with movement tech

outside of a weapons inherent mobility stat

[hollow ibex]

well vet gets two nodes that make you move faster

[manic badger]

That as well

[hollow ibex]

and some weapons inherently cause you to move slower, while others cause you to move faster, even without movement tech

[tame lodge]

Stamina management

Or knowing your weapon move speed

So you swap to a faster one

[spring tide]

icic

[manic badger]

Does Always Prepared reload both shells in the Double Barrel?

[stoic thorn]

Why does the bolter with max WS stacks just not be infinite ammo with death dealer in mortis

[pallid jetty]

if you're talking about the perk that allows you to reload some ammo after melee kill - yes

[manic badger]

yes that one ty

[orchid hemlock]

An actually good meme from the reddit????

[manic badger]

left one is a queen

[unreal nova]

But, but, but, muh survivalist.

[charred pulsar]

Quick question, you all keep a havoc build in each char just in case orrr just the havoc builds with the characters that you usually prefer to use on those modes?

[hollow ibex]

always feels good top fragging as a vet in an all-ogryn lobby lol

[unreal nova]

I mean, you only do it for chars you would even consider using in Havoc.

[charred pulsar]

Ikr, but it's just in case the fellas at the party said aig feelas we don't have (something)

I'm not feeling the Psyker build for havoc man

Annnd ogryn

And I got their dedicated build tag

With the sticker

And feels off deleting it

Wish there were more signs/sticker options

[unreal nova]

At that point, you apologise for being uncomfortable playing X/Y and find another team.

Pre 20, you can basically play anything.

25+, you better have a good grasp and feel for a char or it'll not go well.

So as I said, bring your best.

[charred pulsar]

Ah yeah I'm fine on that, it just the stickers builds, feels bad deleting when each char got the samey theme, let me show u what I mean

[unreal nova]

Oh... My builds are so chaotic, even i forget what some of them are. XD

Except on Vet.

[charred pulsar]

Look

Each build got a theme with different weapons for the sake of variety, clothing and the stickers, last one at the right, the skull is for havoc, that skull remains the same on all chars just to keep that feel of order

Same as ogryn, and same as the rest, but I don't really play ogryn and psyker

And feels WRONG deleting the skull one

[unreal nova]

Oh. Then up to you. I just have mine so chaotic, nobvody will understand it.

[charred pulsar]

Show me

Can't be that bad

[unreal nova]

It's just numbers.

But the builds inside ranges.

From penance build I don't use anymore.

[charred pulsar]

Happens ye ye

[unreal nova]

To krak or shredder vers of the same build.

TO funni recon stuff.

And then a copy of the shredder build, but 2 points are moved to serrated blade for mercykiller things.

[charred pulsar]

Different fashion at least? also how many builds per char?

[unreal nova]

Then for Zealot is, normal knoife fury, normal relic fury (Diff is crits or IJ basically. A stealth loner I made for penance but gave up bothering. 2 havoc builds but I use the beacon one more.

[charred pulsar]

Plenty of variety, wish the next big update bring more melee stuff

[unreal nova]

Psyker is, DH tank build I have linked before, a melee thing I tried, Voidstrike build, Assailer build and some boring havoc based Burga bubble smyker I made for havoc that I never use.

[charred pulsar]

Know the pain

Is there, just in case

But that's it

[unreal nova]

Oggy is... Funni slap build, funni blonk build "I steal Clad Job.", some keystoneless BOOM build made specifically for mortis, funni slap build but nuke, basic gunlugger.

So as said, an absolute mess.

[charred pulsar]

Oh well, it happens, people got their way to organize things

Guess I'll erase the psyker and ogry build, hope I found a fitting sticker for the new build

[unreal nova]

True.

If you wanna keep them, you still can. but you'll just never touch them.

[charred pulsar]

It's bothering me not using it too, tried the shield build on a regular mission but I just don't like it

Tried it a couple more times and nah, this is not gonna work

Too much time quelling

[unreal nova]

Shield is really only good on high diffs.

[charred pulsar]

Ohhh you overextend, bye bye

[unreal nova]

The main use is well, spicier auric maels.

[charred pulsar]

Yeah, better the left side to keep momentun

[unreal nova]

If you aren't that good yet.

Or well, havoc.

You know the dook show in those.

Right side also works now, but yeah.

Lower diffs, killing faster is better than going hard defensive.

[charred pulsar]

Any mod to add more of these btw?

[calm shard]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/209

[unreal nova]

Everything is fixed by mods... Even if they are cheaty ones.

[grizzled pebble]

Nice cheat

[charred pulsar]

Thanks will consider using mods just for that, haven't bothered with those yet

[unreal nova]

[charred pulsar]

Oh wait, what this does is add more loadouts slots? I mean the stickers/sign thingis

Simbol

[unreal nova]

Oh, you want THOSE... Don't that that one exists yet.

[charred pulsar]

Well rip

[unreal nova]

Could join the modding discord and ask if someone can make it.

If you want something assured, you can put some money on the plate as well.

Assuming it's possible, that is.

[charred pulsar]

A comissions sounds nice, but I have only tried those with Patreon, think most folk use Ko-fi orrrr paypal

Don't want to slap the card info in so many sites

[unreal nova]

I dunno how they do it. I just know the best place to ask is the modding discord.

[charred pulsar]

Will keep it mind

[unreal nova]

https://discord.gg/rKYWtaDx4D

[woven cove]

I don't even use any of them, I just run Weapon Specialist raw, no modifiers.

[unreal nova]

Neither do I. My main builds have been dumped here before.

Too much tax to even afford always prepared and that toughness share one.

[woven cove]

This is my current build, original, donut steal.

[calm shard]

smokes with no grenade tinkerer

yikers

leave no one behind instead of +1 grenade

[woven cove]

I love speed.

When you see me ZOOMING to pick you up 20% faster...you will appreciate it.

[calm shard]

infiltrate already gives you speed

[woven cove]

I need MORE!

ALL THE SPEED!!!

I will try the grenade tinkerer with smoke tho, and get demolition team instead of stockpile.

Kinda don't want to give up field improv cause it can be very neat to have, but whatever.

Bruh, the boots are clipping through the pants.

[calm shard]

don't

grenade tinkerer doubles smoke duration from 15 seconds to 30

2 smokes will last long enough to regen a smoke grenade

[woven cove]

Keep your head on your...uh...uhm...

Shoulders?

[uncut pebble]

Fear. (change your char name so you're not generic Harken #703858817)

[woven cove]

How do I change the name?

[uncut pebble]

Go talk to the barber guy over by Hallowette. It'll take a chunk of your dockets to do but you can basically recreate your entire character. You can skip all that and go straight to renaming instead if you're still satisfied with what you chose before.

[woven cove]

Bruh, there's a way to completely change your appearance?

I'm a fucking idiot cause I didn't know and made a new psyker when I wasn't liking the look of my old one.

God, I feel so stupid.

[unreal nova]

Do you not follow and watch cutscenes the first time round?

Or explore?

[uncut pebble]

Dw I did the same thing with my vet right before they dropped this function because I didn't like cutthroat as a personality.

[woven cove]

Ok, so, if the game straight up tells you "hey, you can change your character here"...

Does it only do it once? Cause the thing is, I bought the game a while ago, sometime last year, and only played it a little back then, and only really got into it recently.

[unreal nova]

Naw, the guy lets you change appearances for free as much as you want, including height.

Personality costs 50k dockets per change. That's bio, voice and name.

The height bit took some time to be added though, IDK if it was there before when you played.

[woven cove]

No, I mean, the cutscene that shows you can change stuff.

[uncut pebble]

There isn't one afaik.

[woven cove]

There isn't one.

Ok.

[jaunty sphinx]

Yeah it was a relatively recent addition

[unreal nova]

There was one introducing that guy to us though, as the resident chirugeon and sus barber.

[jaunty sphinx]

I used it to make all my characters the same height so I wouldn't get slightly disoriented whenever I swapped between vet and zealot

[unreal nova]

Though the personality thing is less known unless you afk too much to get the chatter about using Sefoni to tweak rejects memories.

[woven cove]

All my characters are minimum height.

Even the ogryn.

[unreal nova]

Max height humans, min oggy.

Because I like to be able to mantle through windows as oggy.

[woven cove]

You can't do that if you're too tall on Ogryn? Lol.

[viscid trellis]

helbore feels like a neglected child left to drown these days

[unreal nova]

Some smaller windows, yep.

Plus, the height diff gets too jarring.

[pure kindle]

Close to same, I like having lots of cover and not getting shit by teammates.

[calm shard]

it's okay

Mk IV helbore is a genuinely good gun

if its swap speed wasn't so horrible it'd just be a plasma gun with infinite ammo