veteran-class

[lusty ether]

recon into a horde

[normal bay]

It's annoying spending half the game crouched lol

[lusty ether]

fire your recon into that horde like a true pro

[normal bay]

Unleashing my true veteran skills

[lusty ether]

poxwalkers deserve ammo

give them some

[unreal nova]

Or crouch stab.

[normal bay]

Ratling gameplay

Primarily ranged, crouch for melee

[undone sigil]

What about the ogryn one that bugged?

[normal bay]

They fixed it now

[undone sigil]

Oooh nice

[normal bay]

And I had it done long ago lol

Get kills with Ogryn in melee. So easy lol

Just takes a while

[undone sigil]

Though I would argue that the psyker bottom right one is also very awkward to utilise

But thankfully the penance for it isn't so bad

Though if you had to keep it at 15 for half an hour that would truly be an odyssey

[cinder token]

do you use your plasma with focus target! or weapon specialist?

[sharp epoch]

some people say either, but I use WS

[hollow ibex]

Neither. Plasma is boring.

[sharp epoch]

I mean most of vets kit is like point and shoot at the crosshair

psyker has different aiming styles and ways to shoot or charge, ogryn has drop or spread on their ranged weapons

[cinder token]

I've levelled my plasma, and as I've noticed, I shoot a lot of things continuously
so +33% for the first shot from WS is kinda underwhelming

because I make 4-6 shots on average or something

FT will bring more value I think

[hollow ibex]

Well plasma has bad vibes. Even SAP is more fun to play.

[sharp epoch]

depends on the playstyle too, ws is if you want to quickswap to melee while fighting, ft is more for just a straight shooter build

[sharp epoch]

ye well they nerfed that

[hollow ibex]

SAP?

[sharp epoch]

and it never really recovered, yes

[hollow ibex]

Oh a long time ago

Yeah

[sharp epoch]

this was like before talent tree

[hollow ibex]

New SAP isn’t bad though tbh

[cinder token]

when I played with a bolter pistol, ws was such a natural choice. melee, kill a special, melee, kill a special
with plasma I want to shoot and shoot and shoot. I guess I enjoy the gun

power fantasy

[sharp epoch]

ft is just a pain to ping every thing you want to shoot even though I do utilize pings a lot, and the bps dont really change it really just helps your team for bosses

[sharp epoch]

its really ammo hungry now and obviously the range has always been bad

which is like vets main role, take out ranged threats

[cinder token]

btw today is the second time I got down because I didn't have stamina to push. this time it was a hound. it's surreal. I've never experienced anything like that in 150 hours of playing my psyker

they need to do something

3 sprint efficiencies is not enough? idk

[sharp epoch]

uhh do you have deadshot or is your stam drain just from running?

[cinder token]

no deadshot

just running lol. I guess it was on me

[unreal nova]

You want the -stam regen delays heh.

Is like tax to actually feel good.

[cinder token]

nods in the tree @unreal nova?

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but will gimp so much builds though.

[cinder token]

oh common

[sharp epoch]

theres two to pick from, but yeah its pretty much a class node tax

[unreal nova]

Having at least one feels like a need in a way.

[hollow ibex]

I don’t think it’s that bad tbh. Even the ammo economy.

[sharp epoch]

you need one or your gonna suffer

[hollow ibex]

Wouldn’t call it meta of course

Just a fun, viable weapon

[sharp epoch]

It was really good on exe stance and even then with the added damage and prenerf it was running out of ammo, idk about mow especially on havoc

[cinder token]

now I want to take it on the way to onslaught and play a recon build

[unreal nova]

Having both feels great, but then your build is a mess.

[hollow ibex]

I wouldn’t use it in havoc

[unreal nova]

Or well, gimped keystoneless recon build since you dumped damage stuff for super short stam delay.

[undone sigil]

Wait, is that stam regen thing actually good?

[unreal nova]

If you melee alot, yes.

[sharp epoch]

Yeah you need it, if you wanna function in melee or have some to push quickly

[unreal nova]

Especially with push atk melees.

[left cape]

What are good perks for plasma rifle ?

Playing with shovel if that changes anything

[hollow ibex]

Vet ammo economy is so gimped.

[undone sigil]

So what is the baseline value for stam regen?

[sharp epoch]

Blessings or perks?

[undone sigil]

Blerks

[hollow ibex]

#veteran-class message

[left cape]

Blessings sorry lost in translation sometimes

[sharp epoch]

Get's hot and Rising heats the basic loadout

if you want to spam shots blaze away and optimized cooling is another build

[woven cove]

I actually like the stabby knife more.

Idk, using slow heavy attacks for better cleave feels weird on a knife, and the Mk III has a simpler light attack moveset.

[undone sigil]

Whichever knife has the icepick heavies is my preference

Don't have to worry about anything and can just pick away at heads

[unreal nova]

Mk6 is generally better.

[median canopy]

Hi I'm new to Darktide, I've probably been playing for a little over week now. I got my Vet to lvl 30 last night, was wondering if there are any infiltrate builds, cause I suck at the game

[tropic notch]

Infiltrate is alright but for new players I’d get voice of command with the Rashad and revolver

[median canopy]

Oh revolvers are good? I only know of 3 meta weapons on vet

[tropic notch]

Oh yes

Here

[median canopy]

I wish I knew what weapons are good and bad

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tropic notch]

All of the weapons are good but some are better than others

For the Rashad, I’d dump mobility, perks will be unarmored + flak, blessing will be headtaker + brutal momentum

[sharp epoch]

Also try the other classes, they play way differently and you might like one

vet imo is one of the squishiest classes and base stats he doesn't really get compensation like psykers mobillity and stam regen

[tropic notch]

Revolver is mobility dump, perks are maniac + elites, blessings are gun and gun + point blank/ hand cannon

[median canopy]

Ehhh some weapons feel like crap but ty for the build advice

[median canopy]

I kinda feel like I should have went zealot

But I was already so invested in vet I went full steam ahead

[sharp epoch]

It's not that hard to level up another class, I'd say go for it. My gf started on vet but she tried psyker and only plays that now

[median canopy]

I know it's just the grind imo, took me a little over a week to lvl vet to 30 but I'm still gonna try zealot

Cause realistically I probably can only play vet up to malice lvl

Heresy and damnation kicked my ass

[hollow ibex]

Zealot is probably the easier and stronger class atm

[hollow ibex]

The key is positioning and murdering specialists the moment they spawn

[hollow ibex]

Though note that zealot has effectively one build with slight variations

[median canopy]

Welp guess I self sabotaged myself by not doing class research

I appreciate the advice on zealot

[hollow ibex]

I think it’s worth getting all classes to 30 because they all have different playstyles

But yeah zealots prob the best way to learn the game

[median canopy]

I just kinda wish you didn't have to regrind the weapon lvls on all classes

But yeah think imma abandon vet, I'm just so scrubby at this game

Oh wait nvm they actually made it so weapon progress is saved

[tropic notch]

Vet is good but don’t be afraid to experiment with other classes

Psyker is really fun

[median canopy]

Vet is good but it's like giving power tools to a baby 😭

[tropic notch]

Kinda have you tried the power sword?

[tall torrent]

If you’re not getting into havoc any time soon, u don’t have to worry about that as much

[tropic notch]

Power sword fucks

@tall torrent how is everything running?

[tall torrent]

Test downloading DT on Linux proton cachyOS

Also new monitor arrived

My dad is now cursing about windows 11 in Chinese

[median canopy]

Only lvl 1 on zealot

[median canopy]

Ah ok

[tall torrent]

Veteran is harder to pick up and do well with compared to zealot & ogryn

If you’re relatively new to the game I think it’s most likely less the archetype’s problem and more player’s lack of understanding of game mechanics

[tropic notch]

The power sword is on vet

[sharp epoch]

Some weapons are shared so they'll work on other classes, like revolvers or knives

and progress is shared as well

[tropic notch]

Also if you do ever get the money you could get a 9800x3d you’d have to get a new mb tho

[tall torrent]

Not anytime soon

[median canopy]

Ah ok I see

[median canopy]

Oh then no

[tame lodge]

Zealot has the Relic Blade

[woven cove]

Zealot has a bigger two-handed version.

[tame lodge]

Just a big power sword

[elder fiber]

*zealot has the fun version

[atomic void]

Is that a membrane keyboard.....

[tropic notch]

I’d recommend it on vet

@median canopy get one with 80 in everything but cleave targets, the perks will be maniac + elites, blessings will be power cycler + brutal momentum

[sharp epoch]

bro is barely surviving heresy idk if meta gaming will solve his problem

[median canopy]

Well tbf last I played heresy I was lvl 17

Got stomped

[tropic notch]

I mean he’s still new and needs some guidance

It’s definitely help

He’s not like this ogryn I encountered on Xbox that was purposely giving people terrible builds

I hope he explodes

[sharp epoch]

xbox players

[median canopy]

I do appreciate the help from everyone here

[tropic notch]

I was an Xbox player

There’s some good ones

Jr cat

@wraith heart is pretty good on zealot

[median canopy]

[golden flicker]

what's the dumbstat for plasma gun ?

[sharp epoch]

Try other classes tbh, ogryn is braindead easy, zealot is right after that, then psyker is another version of vet except magic and infinite ammo

[tropic notch]

Also it helps to watch game play and see how high level people play

Purg psyker

My beloved

[sharp epoch]

uhh plasma is weird its like +-1 70/70 for charge rate and the temperature thing

[tall torrent]

My dad’s

[median canopy]

Bet, maybe I'm rushing things too fast, I'll try out all 4 classes

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

[tall torrent]

First, engage with melee combat and figure out how to minimize all damage u take

This is a core pillar of the game and is the same across all classes

[tropic notch]

Each class has its own pace

[sharp epoch]

idk if my lvl 900 psyker friends really knows how to melee

[tall torrent]

If you cannot do that then you won’t find much success at higher difficulties

[golden flicker]

sooo then this is a good plasma gun ?

[tall torrent]

Psyker is less dependent on it but it’s still worth learning

[tropic notch]

@median canopy I will say this, if you get good at zealot and melee it will carry over to the other classes

[sharp epoch]

nah

[median canopy]

I see, I hope one day I'll be able to get play heresy and damnation, etc

[golden flicker]

nothing worse than being on the hub filming a video cause you couldn't push and fight the hordes off of you

[undone sigil]

What classes as really "knowing" how to melee?

[tropic notch]

Psyker has a really good build with melee

[golden flicker]

why ?

[median canopy]

Yeah, it's why imma put my vet on the bench for now

[tall torrent]

Can u fight every threat the game throws at u without using blitz, ult or ranged weapon, and with minimal cost of health

[sharp epoch]

It needs at least 69 charge rate and 71 thermal, cause then it reaches the breakpoint of 8 consecutive shots. but like you can just dump thermal if your lazy

[undone sigil]

One on one? In one go through a whole mission?

[tall torrent]

Wrong

[tall torrent]

Wdym one on one

[sharp epoch]

well chage rate

[undone sigil]

Like just one crusher

[tall torrent]

Not enough

[undone sigil]

Not a pack of them

That's what I meant when I asked

[tropic notch]

Ngl I just be spamming shredders in mixed hordes or bulwark spam

[undone sigil]

Is it survivability or dps or both

[tall torrent]

Both

[tropic notch]

Revolver and Rashad cleans the rest

[tall torrent]

4 minimum

Crushers are slow so easy to handle

[undone sigil]

When they're not being sneaky but smart oggies

[tall torrent]

Against more difficult enemies u should learn to deal with more of them

[orchid hemlock]

Newbs jumping up and down hoping to scare the crusher away

[tall torrent]

Every melee elite enemy expects u to change ur strategy somewhat in melee

Crusher forces u to expend your dodges and take them out one by one quickly

Since u can’t stagger multiple of them easily without spending resources

And you can’t cleave through them most of the time

[undone sigil]

I'd probably say ragers and bulwark blobs give me the most grief at the moment

Since getting the initial heavies to stagger ragers out of their frenzy can be annoying when they're spamming you

[sharp epoch]

lights also stagger them

with ps

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1306382291781681252/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.13_-_12.57.55.43.mp4?ex=673676d1&is=67352551&hm=68c82723d28b4d4353ad9c06cad9774e6613cbc72b43d320e30c5e58fa8ffc68&

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e88a554-4683-4ec8-994b-3a493e2d2073/piety-knife zealot has a couple of builds this is his crit build

[undone sigil]

This work for the faster spamming armoured ones?

[tall torrent]

Scab ragers are a bit different

They have much more mass so you’re better off singling them out into kills

[median canopy]

Cool I'll take a look

[undone sigil]

Makes sense, always good to learn though. Thanks

[tall torrent]

I have a very basic entry video to how they differ

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1324605503191388220/Rager_electric_boogaloo.mp4?ex=6778c281&is=67777101&hm=30ab0a12a294228bf8b3defea911311727c208b942d51984fd325d6a2854c977&

[undone sigil]

I've always wondered, are the elites and specials more resistant to pushes?

[tall torrent]

No
Horde enemies are more vulnerable

There’s no “push attack resistance” coded into elite enemies

[undone sigil]

So the breakdown is ragers want you to move sideways and punish you for backing off

[golden flicker]

btw, people i know keep zooming around and all i can do is like run and slide...how the fuck people zoom zoom around with dueling blades ?

[tall torrent]

Watch the video

[undone sigil]

I was more thinking if you needed a certain push mass to stagger them. Like the oggy push buff on shield

[tropic notch]

Most likely running while heaving with knife

[sharp epoch]

The first light on ds gives a slight speedboost so they do that and slide

[tropic notch]

Oh yeah they said ds

[undone sigil]

I almost think I'm playing a renaissance game with the amount of DS users on nongryns

[tropic notch]

The drooling sword

[sharp epoch]

honestly think for staff psyler the force swords are better

[tropic notch]

I like the ds when I’m on staff

[undone sigil]

I do like force swords, though they do seem to have pretty weak stamina. I suppose that's to offset the deflection blessing

[sharp epoch]

like what I die to most are gunners/shooters so deflector would make sense

[tropic notch]

Melee psyker I use fgs

[tropic notch]

What the scallop

[undone sigil]

That thing definitely feels very nice. Only thing that persuades me to play my psyker is the moonlight

[tropic notch]

Shoot them back

[sharp epoch]

on psyker

[tropic notch]

Melee psyker is very good

[undone sigil]

If only deflector let you throw bullets back on a push attack

[humble sparrow]

Blaze Force Greatsword my Beloved

[undone sigil]

True power fantasy

[sharp epoch]

Yeah scam, should be called absorber

[tropic notch]

Tbh when i did run deflector I never used it

[undone sigil]

I've got it on my melee psyker just because I don't use bubble

It's nice when you need a breather to get behind something

[tropic notch]

You don’t need it on it with melee psyker you most likely running assail

[sharp epoch]

When I play psyker I barely use melee so eh having a thing that absorbs shots is pretty good

[tropic notch]

Or a gun

[undone sigil]

I run both

But it's nice for the melee to gun transition

Or if you get too cheeky with a reaper

Then again I've not been as brave with them after getting hipfire checked to oblivion for my greed

Definitely my first non disabler priority kill

[tall torrent]

Overtuned and undertuned at the same time

Massively overtuned in DPS

Massively gimped in defences

[undone sigil]

True crit glass cannon

[tall torrent]

No cleave
No stagger
No melee toughness

[undone sigil]

Unless you go bubble then it's just melee problems

[tall torrent]

Lowest dodge distance

[tropic notch]

All gas no breaks

[undone sigil]

You get the dodge thing for 50% more frames though. I think that's how it works?

[tropic notch]

Toughness on crit

[undone sigil]

Moonlight also wipes the screen when it can

[tropic notch]

And you have one with the warp and endurance

[tall torrent]

That talent is broken

It’s massively overtuned for rapid fire guns and that’s about it

[tropic notch]

Ok real

[tall torrent]

lol no

Psyker has shortest dodge distance base at 2m

And less dodge linger than veteran & zealot at 0.2s

[undone sigil]

Oof

[tall torrent]

That talent gives u 0.3s dodge linger, so now 0.05s longer than veteran and zealot

[undone sigil]

Explains why dodged feel worse

[tall torrent]

Dodge distance unchanged

[woven cove]

Just kill things faster than they kill you.

[tall torrent]

FGS has lowest dodge distance of all melee weapons in the game

[undone sigil]

But all the crits with the ranged immunity for 1s on crit is fairly good no?

It's just melee that's the dangy zone

Which funny enough is where you're at

[tall torrent]

Now think about melee

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/melee-psyker-27?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button my melee soyker

[tall torrent]

Outside of warp slash it doesn’t have a single attack break 8 cleave

So 3 bruisers and ur cleave ends

In havoc that’ll be 2 groaners and ur cleave ends

[tropic notch]

Yarp

[pseudo fiber]

What is the lowest dodge distance

I know evi is down there

sorry like top 3 lowest

[tall torrent]

Force greatsword

[tropic notch]

Think the fgs has -7

[tall torrent]

Nah

-7% is scaled from class base (or dodge template override)

[tropic notch]

Ohhhh

[tall torrent]

In the case of FGS, it has no override

So -7% scales from Psyker base of 2m

At 1.86m

[tropic notch]

[tall torrent]

Comparatively

[undone sigil]

If you're running scriers isn't the +20% damage based on perils worth it?

In the bottom middle

[tall torrent]

Power sword has -12%, but scales from veteran’s 2.5m, so u end up with 2.2m

[tropic notch]

Some people run it I don’t think it meets any break points

[tall torrent]

Relic blade has -14% from zealot’s 2.5m base, so u end up with 2.15m

FGS has a lot less dodge distance than basically every other melee weapon

[tropic notch]

Thank god that we dump warp res

[tall torrent]

They should make some talents scale better at low peril and worse at high peril

[undone sigil]

The rare 80% mobility

[tropic notch]

Plus if you do take it you’re you’ll have to give up some survivability

And with melee psyker you need that

[undone sigil]

Yeah, that's probably where I'm struggling for tuning

I considered nabbing all the toughness nodes

Within reason

[tropic notch]

No need for that but it would help lol

[undone sigil]

So at the end of the day with the revelation of the dodge perk. Is it effectively moot when using FGS on psykers already worse dodge?

As I might just take it off my builds if it's a niche talent

[arctic rampart]

Man when are they going to release some weapons for this game

I cant even be bothered to log on lately...

[humble sparrow]

Who’s gonna tell him

[arctic rampart]

I already know, never

[undone sigil]

I'd be happy enough with a hotshot lasgun

For filling out that Scion armour set

Basically be halfway between a recon and a plasmagun

[golden flicker]

any good source to learn weakspot on monstrosities and mini boses ?

[tropic notch]

Creature spawner

[golden flicker]

ty

[frank basin]

Hello path did new monitor arrive yet?

[sharp epoch]

next week tm

[pseudo fiber]

Probably June
Or like Maybe late May who knows

[covert dagger]

What weapons would you be thinking? We seem to have most of the WH40k staples. Aside from admech or xenos stuff, I mean.

Or am I missing a weapon type?

[pseudo fiber]

Hotshot lasgun/volley gun
Stubber
Longlas (I doubt it)
Melta
Plasma pistol
Power fist
Spear thing there are lots of those

Just to name a few

[covert dagger]

Can a normal G use a power fist?

[pseudo fiber]

Yup

[covert dagger]

Woooah!

[uncut pebble]

Polearms in general should be explored as a weapon choice.

[pseudo fiber]

I agree

we need longer weapons in general

[covert dagger]

Love it. Wouldn't use it, but I'd love it.

[uncut pebble]

If we get a power fist and it doesn't have an uppercut I will actually fucking riot.

[covert dagger]

I wanna be able to punch through doors Deathwing style.

[pseudo fiber]

I think it'd be pokey punch heavies with maybe an upper cut H3 or something

[uncut pebble]

I can imagine it having a forward punch with a strikedown profile, then a backhand with a vanguard profile, and then an uppercut with a strikedown profile, in that order for the heavy attacks.

Or just a forward and uppercut punch.

[pseudo fiber]

Backhand would probably be the push attack

Wide swinging lights too

[covert dagger]

Or a quick pimp slap for a push. 8)

Like the punch on the kife.

[uncut pebble]

Special would have to be charging it up like a diet crusher.

[unreal nova]

Or just charged bit-backhanded slap on special.

[tall torrent]

[frank basin]

That keyboard my cousin has those kind keyboard but he replace buttons to Mario theme

Nice monitor anyway

[heavy rover]

ayyy that's a nice custom keyboard you got there

[frank basin]

I got ass faded keyboard

[hollow ibex]

Smh tkl. Imagine not going full size.

[frank basin]

Gone

I still memorize key letter

[unreal nova]

But full size ex when getting switches lul.

I know. I have full sized.

[left patrol]

what if i want it to do a super flick

flick the poxxers away like a booger

[woven cove]

I like how daemonhosts stare at you while stunned by voice of command.

[valid steeple]

so last I asked, I was informed for the recon laz that collateral is the dump stat. May I ask why its that stat and not mobility?

[unreal nova]

You can dump either. Collateral changes no stagger breakpoints in auric at all so keeping mobility is better. Collateral is slightly more useful in high havocs since things have more hp to make use of the extra stagger. Well, at least for some ppl.

But you technically don't need it still.

[void dragon]

I am... Kinda concerned, is veteran in a good spot nowadays? Because I feel I did a good work on a havoc game being a low ammo consumption Rlas, focus fire and shout buffing vet and while doing good damage I got out damaged...by a Paul ogryn

And this was with me really eliminating bosses and other elites, I don't feel I was doing that bad

Know that I'm not the best Vet but that was kinda shocking

[tame lodge]

Havoc wise
Vet is top 4

🗣️

[elder fiber]

ogryn can't move 2 nodes down the tree without tripping over dmg buffs rn so probably don't sweat the scoreboard too much

[tame lodge]

Simply get 400% melee on oggy

Or was it 300

Uh

Big number

[hollow ibex]

You can click random places on the ogryn tree right now and end up with a half decent build

[void dragon]

As an ogryn player I have to agree (probably why I'm so adamant to find a good stubber lugger build, that still feels kinda weak-ish)

[unreal nova]

Keystoneless oggy.

Someone said viable.

Do I need to say more?

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent are you still troubleshooting?

[tall torrent]

I am downloading DT

[tropic notch]

Holy peak

What about mods?

[tall torrent]

I tried running it with mods

and it had some stutters

so prob linux doesn't run well with mods

it's ok

[tropic notch]

inshallah we shall make windows 11 work

[tall torrent]

prob not gonna go to win11 if I can

[hearty panther]

yea thats one im gonna put off for as long as possible

i can already live with the activate windows watermark anyway

but also fuck that level of performance loss just to juice their own telemetry

[spark cipher]

Kidneystones

[austere mica]

I know someone who said DT worked better on linux somehow

Like massively

[tropic notch]

I need to learn how to play on Linux

[austere mica]

I just need to learn linux

My ass is not being caught dead on win 11

[tall torrent]

well

[tropic notch]

Well set it up lol

[tall torrent]

190~230fps at 1440p upscale

[tropic notch]

That’s pretty good

[austere mica]

More than your refresh rate unless you're an insane person

[tropic notch]

I get around 215 to 300 with a 7800x3d and 4080 s

Lows are like 140

[covert dagger]

💪

[tall torrent]

it is nice yea

good enough for me

[tropic notch]

Thank god window loves amd CPUs

Well atleast mine

[tall torrent]

are u on 1080p or 1440p

[tropic notch]

I wonder how gaming is on a amd gpu and an intel cpu atm

[tropic notch]

1440

[tall torrent]

nice

[hearty panther]

i really should upgrade my 1080 before all the shit really kicks off

[acoustic hedge]

man, is it just me or do a lot of the lasgun blessings seem like trash

[hearty panther]

that is because they are

well idk about trash, actually

they are mostly boring but functional utility

[burnt oxide]

Anyone got a current build for accatran mk ix(fire shotgun)

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t be surprised since Linux is much more efficient with cpu usage

I’m using CachyOS which is like the game-optimized version of Linux

[tall torrent]

Most are ass yea

[acoustic hedge]

also, the hellbore lasgun has some serious issues with damage scaling

it has to charge up just to do what a stub revolver or plasma cannon can do normally

[austere mica]

Helbore does it for basically free forever

If I run helbore I don't dip below 90%

[tame lodge]

We don't really recommend shooting carapace with a plasma gun

[nimble bridge]

where can i find the list of dump stats for the weapons?

[narrow frost]

pins

#veteran-class message

[nimble bridge]

oh its just called stat distribution

i went to ctrl f dump lol

[narrow frost]

thats what path has made for now

he is working on a steam guide format

you can just ask here if you dont want to look through the guide

[nimble bridge]

i like this one

[narrow frost]

oh, I see. I misread

my apolocheese

[nimble bridge]

how do i do this on the infantry autogun?

[narrow frost]

q then q again to quick swap

or when not sprinting

sprint

[woven cove]

Install steam, download game, play.

Works for like 90% of the games.

The other 10%, you can just look up what kind of fixes you need to do on ProtonDB.

[lost frigate]

how smoke grenade work, sometimes the gunner among the thicc smoke just shoot through it, sometimes it work

[narrow frost]

its a psyker bubble with no toughness regen

and some specials cant find you

[woven cove]

Was very funny having krak grenade enjoyers in the last couple games that completely wasted their nades cause I melted crushers with my autogun before the nade went off.

[golden flicker]

is the MK IX shotgun any good ?

[hollow ibex]

which one is that

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah it's meh

all the combat shotguns are either meh or bad rn

[golden flicker]

hmmm

[hollow ibex]

double barrel shotgun is the only actually good shotgun atm

[golden flicker]

what's the playstyle around it ?

[hollow ibex]

double barrel? it's mostly used with weapon specialist for guaranteed crits

so you kill 3 guys, fire one shot

the shot has basically unlimited cleave

and inflicts bleed on everything it touches

(because you'd be running the flechette blessing as well)

[austere mica]

Or scattershot

Both are valid

[hollow ibex]

yeah you can use scattershot, but that requires giving up flechette, which sucks ass

or giving up manstopper, which is even more unforgivable

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/10805019880056898/673300EDE17424FD48ADAD82786AE6D781F56715/

DB shenanigans

[woven cove]

Slug shotgun works well enough against bulwarks, reapers and all sorts of gunners. Tho not as a main weapon, you just switch to it when needed.

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/10805019880057803/E8AB0382C6B656B44BC0DF216BDCC74DF65CC666/

more DB shenanigans

though granted, i cheated in both clips and also had frags help

[calm shard]

shoots directly through a chaos spawn

and also through every shotgunner behind them

crazy gun

[grand perch]

Own a DB shotgun for home defense

It nails the neighbour, the neighbour's dog, the neighbor's extended family and the dogs of a town one zip code over

[austere mica]

Will pen 120 chaos spawns

I checked

Or it’s 128

[severe vector]

cadia sized hole

[grand perch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/sY8Bes1DIu

A lot of people that are wrong about how good chswords are (or rather, how shit they are)

[normal bay]

I haven't seen this amount of cope in a while

[rocky jacinth]

is Reddit glazing the worst weapon in the game again

[austere mica]

Not the worst

That honor belongs to mk1 dclaw

Chainsword at least has absolutely hilarious trash clear speeds

[rocky jacinth]

that sounded personal

[austere mica]

Not really

It just sucks

It’s a dclaw without a singletarget attack

[normal bay]

66 damage heavies

It's like they don't want the noobs to keep playing

[calm shard]

until a single rager, or god forbid a mauler shows up in that crowd

devils claw would also get stopped by the mauler but it'd instantly kill the rager like he was never there

[austere mica]

Yep

Specified trash

[calm shard]

which is what gives even the mk1 devil claw enough points to overtake chainsword imo

the parry just removing ragers from the game is extremely useful

and utility that neither chainsword has

[austere mica]

Yeah but the chainsword like

Deals damage

[lost frigate]

for me chainsword feel like can do everything but good at nothing

[junior grail]

I use chainsword to bleed Captains and Monstrosities

[lost frigate]

it was ok weapon for fun during casual run

[junior grail]

I use with Psyker tho not Vet

[lost frigate]

the swing sound is satisfy i give it that

[junior grail]

I want a 3rd variant Chainsword

[lost frigate]

and what would that be?

[junior grail]

Different pattern swings, preferably more horizontal

[lost frigate]

i wish we have two hand chain axe like mauler lol

[junior grail]

That's on the wishlist since beta haha

Along with Melta, Longlas, etc

[grand perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1361716165612671206/image.png?ex=6809a7c1&is=68085641&hm=4ac5da59b6534069c696a79d42b5f8df3b32e3d979b18a2a399f0a62c3f5ef66&

[rocky jacinth]

fuck longlas we need hellguns

[lost frigate]

The closest to longlas now is hellebore

[pseudo fiber]

I wonder what the longest streak was

[twin cave]

How do we feel about Chaxes? Am I allowed to like them or is that cringe too

[unreal forge]

this is insane, someone's not using a dueling sword

[woven cove]

Man, braced autogun and infantry autogun are both pretty solid guns, but the vigilant autogun...ugh.

[undone sigil]

The dmr one I find nice for it's crit damage. Atleast usable, the burst ones however are too unruly for me

[woven cove]

They have STUPID recoil if you move while aiming down sights.

Something the other autoguns don't have.

If you're standing still, they have very little recoil, but start moving and it will kick like a horse.

Hip fire is not affected by this tho.

[vernal ermine]

You talking about the vigilant?

[woven cove]

Yes.

[vernal ermine]

I'll most likely gonne have the braced at level 20 today. Gonne try the vigilant than

[agile forge]

What do Braced ones even do well? I guess consistency?

[woven cove]

Infantry>Braced>>>Vigilant.

[grand perch]

thats like saying assault rifle > LMG > DMR

they do different things

[vernal ermine]

HOLD ON, Dmr?

[woven cove]

Well, somehow the infantry gun does all the things the other guns can do without having their downsides.

[calm shard]

absurdly stupidly high suppression and damage against gunners

it takes the light braced autogun that fires at the same RPM as the recon lasgun

5 bullets to fully suppress a reaper

genuinely shooting the braced autoguns in the vague direction of any ranged enemy will completely stunlock them from suppression almost instantly

it's very useful

[grand perch]

show me the IAG that oneshots every special and elite enemy save for ogryns or mutant

[grand perch]

vigilants are dmr

[vernal ermine]

Well as long a they hit like a truck

[grand perch]

they profit a lot from marksmans focus in the breakpoint department, but theyre not exactly top tier

dandy is right in one way that vraks IAG takes that spot

[calm shard]

it's funny you mention that

[grand perch]

not one shot

[calm shard]

it's 1200 damage in one instance

that is a one shot

has to crit to one shot headshot flamers though

very sad

actually agri probably one shots that

yeah it does

1495 damage regular headshot on maniacs

one shot headshots every elite except ragers and every specialist except mutants

[grand perch]

vigi does that

[calm shard]

granted this is the SUPER DAMAGE gun build

you wanna know something vigi doesn't do?

[undone sigil]

Get free ammo on crits?

[calm shard]

and this is by far the funniest part of the infantry autoguns

they have high carapace damage too :)

[undone sigil]

I do like the infantry guns and specifically the dmr vigilant. But I wouldn't use the braced except on my zealot. It can't aim at all which makes it to me one of the worst weapons for vet, the precision class meant for dealing with far targets

[calm shard]

genuinely they are laserbeams that delete every enemy you point them at

agri is a bit less consistent cause it crits less

[undone sigil]

Isn't that crit getting through rather than the bullets?

[grand perch]

yeah, no damage at all

[undone sigil]

Infantry does have a fair bit of versatility. That's it's main strength

But if I was doing crit shenanigans I can't see why recon wouldn't be better for free ammo and all them juicy burns

[calm shard]

it's far less consistent than IAGs

[vernal ermine]

Hey about the Headhunter. Does the burst crit when you have surgical or just the First bullet?

[calm shard]

since they crit way more often

can still do good though if you don't get screwed by crit chance

[undone sigil]

If they're anything like rippers I think they should crit on all three

Since that's one pull of the trigger

[grand perch]

you literally have to crit once to go above 3000 dps on my build, and with deadshot alone thats almost a guarantee

[undone sigil]

But I've found them very inconsistent with landing all three of those bullets so if I'm doing vigi it's the middle dmr one

[grand perch]

tho, yeah, high investment

[undone sigil]

Could always throw on the +5% crit chance onto the weapon itself. Since crits are it's main damage anyway

[calm shard]

don't do that for vigi

it needs its breakpoints from flak/unarmored

one shot headshots both gunners

and one shot bodyshots basic shooters/stalkers

[undone sigil]

I see, is this even without the damage build of yours?

[calm shard]

could also go maniacs to make up for its...major shortcoming

[calm shard]

I think so lemme check

[undone sigil]

As I would rather have maniac/Unyielding than unarmoured

[calm shard]

dreg stalkers survive with 50 hp but everything else is one shot by flak/unarmored

[undone sigil]

Little buggers

Though you'll be losing performance against bosses and bigguns won't you?

[calm shard]

it's servicable

[undone sigil]

Or is vigi just considered a support gun good for picking off pesky chaff and ranged specials?

[calm shard]

it's basically the elite cruncher gun

it kills every elite but has bad manaic damage

so it doesn't kill ragers or most specialists very efficiently

it 4 shots maulers or something ridiculous like that iirc

[undone sigil]

Weird how it's only bad versus them

[calm shard]

beacause the gun has an absurdly stupidly high flak damage

It has like 1.40 adm against flak or something like that

[undone sigil]

I didn't know weapons had built in varying damage against enemy types

I thought it was just armour

[grand perch]

i do use maniac perk for this

[calm shard]

I don't, but then mine's built for regular builds

not FUNNY DAMAGE build

[grand perch]

thats a good point actually

[grand perch]

but people are overly afraid to use high finesse high damage guns like this with a build that makes great use of that potential and that is just sad

[calm shard]

it's partially because gun vet and gun psyker are the 2 classes that do that

and both also get large value out of the infantry lasguns

or recon lasguns

or the laspistol

which have more ammo than vigilant, and similar breakpoints into gunners

[undone sigil]

I've always wondered, what is classed as a "salvo" does it have a universal timer between them? Or is it weapon based

[calm shard]

but without the weirdly bad maniac damage

[grand perch]

yeah in those regards vigi could use touch ups

[grand perch]

off the top of my head, its different per gun based on the recoil animation to reset back into idle animation, or something

[undone sigil]

So unless you're spamming it opening salvo basically acts as +20% damage due to it being a dmr

[calm shard]

oh speaking of guns that make the vigilant kinda mid by comparison

[grand perch]

yes but its not as good as it sounds, doesnt do much for breakpoints

[undone sigil]

Might try that one next, I thought it'd make me have to stagger my shots even more

[calm shard]

it's needed for the shooter/stalker 1 shot bodyshots, and to 1 shot headshot dreg gunners

(on normal builds)

on gun builds yeah it doesn't help

[grand perch]

what he said

[undone sigil]

Shooter builds being executioner stance?

[calm shard]

yeah

[undone sigil]

Or just any build willing to invest into deadshot etc

[calm shard]

they do not work in havoc btw don't try

[undone sigil]

There goes my dream of using shredder pistol and devil's claw smoke nades :^(

[grand perch]

nothings stopping you from following your dreams (into death)

[calm shard]

kraks would be far worse than smokes

[undone sigil]

I didn't figure it'd be worthwhile for havoc anyway

[calm shard]

smokes have one EXTREMELY useful utility for new havoc

they turn off the ranged twin's AI

ontop of all the other useful things they do

[undone sigil]

Oh, that's funny

[grand perch]

smokes should spawn psyker bubble on top in havoc mode

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/6S5LomN

[grand perch]

so psykers can follow their true purpose and go venting shriek

[undone sigil]

Reee into the vapours

If only there was an upgrade to smoke to make it phosphate so it also burns enemies

No warcrimes in warhammer

[grand perch]

theres a ton of interesting ideas to give more value to smokes

my moneys on something being implemented in the next vet rework (coming 2027)

[undone sigil]

What about darktide two

Where you fight the twins' quadruplets

[grand perch]

wait, have they been multiplied x2 or ^2?

cause if its ^2, i dont wanna see darktide 3 or 4

[calm shard]

infantry autogun damage values are so funny

yeah this fully automatic assault rifle can 2 shot a mutant

wb it

[grand perch]

yeah i always enjoyed that aspect of them

i like guns that quickly deal with mutants, too bad none of the meta weapons really do that

[calm shard]

plasma and bolter are p good at it

[undone sigil]

Double it and give it to the next generation

[calm shard]

Vraks IAG is also an option in the current meta

[undone sigil]

Octuplets for dt3 and whatever 16 is for dt4

[grand perch]

yeah, true. forget i said anything

[undone sigil]

How are you getting such high damage per bullet with the infantry autoguns anyway? I didn't think they had much finesse

[calm shard]

they have comically absurd finesse

like genuinely some of the highest finesse of any guns in the entire game

critical headshots triple their damage per shot

at minimum

[undone sigil]

Didn't realise they could get to about roughly 1200 though

[grand perch]

if only it showed finesse values ingame somewhere

[undone sigil]

Or is this 2500 in two bullets with your funni build

[calm shard]

that was 2525 in one bullet

to a mutant

[undone sigil]

But... how?

That's 500% crit value roughly

[grand perch]

finesse modifier from marksmans focus be crazy

[calm shard]

marksmans focus gives a fuckton of finesse

on a gun that already has high finesse

and then executioners stance/killzone damage

+marskman/for the emperor

[grand perch]

not to forget precision strikes

[undone sigil]

No deadshot either

Wow

[grand perch]

now if only any of that mattered for high havocs, where you get your shit pushed in for having the audacity of not picking voice of command

im not mad youre mad

[stoic thorn]

Does the mortis archetype you choose affect the majoris indulgences you get

[undone sigil]

I'm guessing the regular human shooters stance pip is good just due to all the resets?

[grand perch]

yeh

i like it for rapid target acquisition, bright yellow enemies stand out so nicely

[undone sigil]

Shame that voice of command is beyond the voice of reason

[stoic thorn]

I want the inf exe stance ammo indulgence but idk if I specifically need an archetype for it

[undone sigil]

But it's hard to argue that shoot better triumphs over knockdown and gold toughness

[stoic thorn]

Exe stance plasma is goated for me

[calm shard]

You get +25% base damage +25% damage +55% weakspot damage, +75% finesse, and +20% strength on weakspot hit

[undone sigil]

Afaik the specialised class buff indulgences are neutral

The major indulgences are fixed

[calm shard]

gun vet has absurdly high ranged damage

[calm shard]

it doesn't

almost entirely because shoot better is kinda just screwed if they have to deal with bulwarks in any significant capacity

you don't really have the tools to turn a bad situation around as gun vet

[undone sigil]

Just gun vetter, amirite

[calm shard]

Even if you are extremely good at preventing that situation in the first place. You're not always going to be able to do that

And when you can't it sucks so bad

[undone sigil]

Bulwark are real butts

[tough tiger]

@calm shard is the columnus or whatever its called now still good for exe vet?

[calm shard]

I don't see why it wouldn't be

[tough tiger]

I just want to play call of darktide sometimes

[undone sigil]

I didn't think the burst ones were that usable

Unless I'm getting my marks mixed

[grand perch]

My character always had max height, and I can shoot bulwarks head over their shield

[calm shard]

they're talking about the infantry autogun

not the vigilants

[undone sigil]

Oh

[grand perch]

Don't know if short kings can do that

[calm shard]

columnus is the vraks now for IAG

[tough tiger]

Def not

[undone sigil]

And wow, I didn't realise character height actually changed much

I thought your camera would be at roughly the same

[tough tiger]

Taller character cleave heads more easily

[hollow trail]

shorties can dodge poxhounds way better

i take med-short height on my zealot and even then they sometimes just

go straight over my head

[tough tiger]

Not related but has anyone else dodged sniper shots just by crouching?

I swear sometimes i just crouch and the shot would go over me

[undone sigil]

Idk if that'd even work with their wonky hitbox. Or would crouching into cover protect you

[tough tiger]

But other times it doesnt

[agile forge]

Vraks 5, and it's hilarious. It's super good at killing anything that's not a Crusher (and you can take a duelling sword for those) or hordes, but you have nothing beyond your own wits to survive the bruisers getting into melee with you.

But you'll fuck all of the enemy shooters' lives up for sure. Probably wouldn't run it anywhere above Auric Mael.

[stoic thorn]

Some dude was toxic as hell lmao

[tough tiger]

What if i tell you.... that it is possible to beat h40 with pus hardened with the vraks 5

[stoic thorn]

I made a "a cadian, a krieger, and a vostroyan walk into a bar" joke

And commented about how much the Pogryn stomp damage was

And bro was fucking fuming?

Great news is

PLASMA CANISTER TRINKET

ITS MINE

If you see a guy named gunter and is about lvl 370 on truelevel throw the game idc

[grand perch]

Is it even possible to start a pus hardened havoc still? With mods?

[unreal nova]

You got 3 themed vets?

[heavy rover]

Oh my god it's John Cadia

[tough tiger]

I did it back then

[spark cipher]

here I am running infiltrate instead

[undone sigil]

I mean I do like the versatility of infiltrate for repositioning if you're in a bad spot. Or getting a guaranteed pickup (assuming there aren't any crushers or flamers need them)

[void dragon]

You are not alone fellow infiltrate enjoyer

[grand perch]

what the patch notes say

[native hamlet]

combat knife with plasma gun has been really fun
the jarring difference in mobility makes a fun surprise when i swap to and from

[grand perch]

vs how effective bashes outside of helbore actually are

guess i need more attack speed to make it worthwhile

[spark cipher]

at least it procs serrated blade

[grand perch]

bosskiller strat right there

[hollow ibex]

the virgin ogryn slap vs. the chad stock bash

[stuck shadow]

Need one more person for ass title run

[wicked epoch]

does anyone know how to fix the buggy UI in for the drip

[uncut pebble]

Ask in their channel of the modding discord?

[calm shard]

if anybody knows I imagine the devs of that mod would appreciate their help

[uncut pebble]

Unless it got nuked from orbit there should be one.

[wicked epoch]

asked and no response yet

[gilded wraith]

I get my best results on nexus posts.

[undone sigil]

Slap is psychological warfare. Imagine being around the corner and just hearing screaming mixed with clapping

[grand perch]

used to be you heard clapping, it was the ogryns cheeks

now its a weapon of terror

[undone sigil]

I'd still love a bareknuckle, or well barepalm ogryn

Get your borderlands brick energy going

[steady wolf]

Need to throw around poxxies as weapons

then again you can dodge into them to send them flying now so that's pretty cool

[undone sigil]

It is pretty funny

Shame there's no boot punt attack

[steady wolf]

not surprised with stubby legs

[prisma herald]

haven't played in a year, monkey man reporting back for duty

[heady fractal]

Elysian cosmetics?????

[slow spade]

Welcome back comrade 💪

[calm shard]

have been out of rotation for almost exactly 1 year

unlucky for you

[prisma herald]

yes?

[prisma herald]

thank you sir

[steep burrow]

is plasma gun good weapon for veteran?

[tall torrent]

yez

[steep burrow]

i dont see to much people using that weapon on veteran

[uncut pebble]

Plasma is very breakpoint intensive, but if you meet said breakpoints, it's great.

[void dragon]

What other weapon performs as well as plasma?

[tall torrent]

I think recon is 10x more beginner friendly

[void dragon]

Recon doesn't feel as hard hitting but Def has ammo Econ on its side, good to be the focus fire and piss toughness carrier for the team

[uncut pebble]

Boltgun has better scaling imo.

Pinning fire procs even if you oneshot something so you can use it as a 15r sniper rifle.

[tall torrent]

boltgun is pure investment

plasma takes much less talent spec

[sharp epoch]

PUT THE KARKIN BOOT IN

[uncut pebble]

Boltgun do need a lot of investment but you hit a lot more breakpoints with the consistency of pinning fire stacking damage than you do with banking on a crit for plasma.

[prisma herald]

ngl, feeling like the only person running it

was thinking of grabbing a shotgun instead, although last time i remember they were not really good

[steep burrow]

i prefer lasgun

especially the automatic one

[prisma herald]

i mean, plasma is a cool gun, but you don't have the nice feeling of spraying everything down haha

it packs a punch though, specials are no problem for it when you charge it up

that's why i stick with it

[sharp epoch]

vet is basically recon lasgun or plasma rn 😭

[prisma herald]

i see, i see

and the shotguns? are they any good?

[serene bough]

not the best

if we're discussing havoc you'll get the most mileage out of plasma and recon, but in auric maelstrom you can use a wider variety of weapons with no issue

[sharp epoch]

double barrel is useable the rest are like shitty versions of other things

agripina mark is like a bad revolver with bad ammo eco, kantrael is like flamer but worse, and lawbringer is about the same as kantrael

[prisma herald]

i see, i see

[spark cipher]

combat shotty makes my ammo go bye bye

really the only time I felt truly ammo starved was using it

[odd sparrow]

you dont really need crit for plasma to hit that many breakpoints tho, only really relevant for rager 1shot and dealing with ogryns which takes several shots anyway

[hollow ibex]

Double barrel is good. All other ones are mid or straight up ass

[severe jolt]

The main problem with shotguns is that they're really only effective at a short range. And you really want something that can hit things at a long range, which is possible with throwing knives on zealot and assail/brain burst on psyker. On vet, it's usually better to take anything that works well long range as well.

[spark cipher]

ogryns also have rocks lol

[severe jolt]

Ogryns have a different set of weapons altogether.

[serene bough]

shotguns in a game with so many melee mechanics almost feel silly, but things like kickback and DB do it right

[severe jolt]

Not to mention the Ogryn shotgun(Kickback) is somehow REALLY good at hitting stuff at long range.

[serene bough]

i guess the ripper gun is good too, but i havent played ogryn in a while

[prisma herald]

kind of don't like how most games think that shotguns are only effective at like 5 metres haha

[spark cipher]

volume of fire lol, 40mm buckshot works wonders

[sharp epoch]

it's cause the min pellet damage is so high

[prisma herald]

but i might grab something else than a plasma gun, gotten boring, i need to go YATATATATATAT while hipfiring

[sharp epoch]

its enough to two tap snipers any range

[serene bough]

its mostly just how they function. DB and KB are huge burst damage against elites and hordes alike, whereas combat shotguns require more sustained fire, dont do hordes well, and are abysmally slow to reload

[spark cipher]

wish we had the heavy gun the scav gunners use, it sounds so punchy

[severe jolt]

I always thought this is because early video games couldn't do flamers due to the limitations of hardware being able to handle the amount of particle visuals, so they substituted shotguns for flamers for short range high damage weapons. But that's just a pet theory of mine.

[sharp epoch]

db shotgun actually works well om h40 I just don't like it cause its helpless against long range specialist

[prisma herald]

i mean, insurgency sandstorm does shotguns really well in my opinion

[prisma herald]

a pretty cool theory haha, but i think there has to be a diff answer

[severe jolt]

Kane&Lynch had the best shotguns I've ever experienced in a video game. Still good at about ~70 yards, but with a lot of damage dropoff.

[spark cipher]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/storage/sites/darktide/enemies/nf7wETW2F9Ya4FpohoBPfkO5RhLKQ6GxEucXBaR6.png

Can we get this

[sharp epoch]

flamethrowers actually reach like 50m so its not that, its just game balancing. why pick a smg when you can peek and one tap someone from 50m

[loud belfry]

if the akimbo models in mw2 didn't have a super limited range then they'd probably have torn through reality and killed us all too

[serene bough]

yes pls

and meltas

actually, im more interested in them adding more enemy types instead of weapons

[spark cipher]

I'm interested in scab radio operators, mostly because I need to kill 10 enemies that don't exist for the elitist pennance

[prisma herald]

y'all better help me with my cosmetics dilemma
full elysian, or the gas mask?

[severe jolt]

Everyone would love that but I suppose the ammo supply being located in the back would conflict with cosmetics. Maybe an LMG with a box magazine, like the ogryn twin stubber? Wouldn't look as cool though I suppose.

[unreal nova]

@serene boughOh yeah, still need whatchamacallit, MM?

[serene bough]

yes, but i won't be on until tomorrow if thats ok

i was preparing for an interview today so earlier this week was too tough to play

[sharp epoch]

I like the second one

[unreal nova]

Sure, just tell me when.

[serene bough]

ye

[cobalt lance]

Why does power sword feel so lackluster?

[hollow ibex]

You built it wrong

[severe jolt]

Did you remember to keep powering it up? It's very lackluster unless you do.

[prisma herald]

how do the braced guns work?

[cobalt lance]

They dont

[prisma herald]

understandable

[severe jolt]

Best on zealot and weapon specialist builds actually, the idea that you can sprint while being immune to ranged attacks lends itself well to a melee focused build. But they're not great.

[sharp epoch]

theyre better for counterfire not ws imo

[prisma herald]

ws?

[sharp epoch]

weapon specialist

[prisma herald]

i see

[hollow ibex]

They do but not meta lol

[cobalt lance]

Just like shotgun works?

[hollow ibex]

ES with graia is pretty good. Just don’t take it into havoc

[sharp epoch]

i think your getting the idea that most ranged weapons for vet are not that good now

[hollow ibex]

Well DB is fucking superb

The rest suck though

[hollow ibex]

Surprisingly ammo efficient too

[agile forge]

I heard some nice things about the lawbringer now?

or whatever it's called

the duckbull one

and kickback and rippers are good now

[hollow ibex]

Worse DB

Outside of anti boss memes

[sharp epoch]

thats cause ogryn got buffed massively, human shotguns still bad

[severe jolt]

Kickback was always good, if for nothing else, then for the ability to literally kick anything back.

[unreal nova]

HIPFIRE ONLY. UNBIND BRACE BUTTON.

BRACE NO EXISTY. IS AUTOGUN.

[prisma herald]

what is the point of the brace then? haha

[sharp epoch]

on shredder autopistol it actually increased stagger I think braced works same way

[agile forge]

long ago they were super out of favour. I actually really liked them even back then though!

Called it the sit down gun

because everyone in that direction sits the fuck down when you shoot it

was like psyker wall

[tall torrent]

Great question

[severe jolt]

On that note, is there any way to make the autopistol work on higher difficulties? It's really fun to use but I can't think of a reason to bring one above heresy.

[tall torrent]

It works better on zealot than on veteran

It’s actually a pretty strong gun for zealot

[tame lodge]

+2 suppression or something

On SAP +1 suppression

[sharp epoch]

Since the nerf to pinning fire it relies more on crits now

[prisma herald]

i mean, doesnt it also help with accuracy?

[tall torrent]

More so recoil reduction

The spread is not necessarily much better

[sharp epoch]

For vet, I'd probably just run shredder ap in a WS build and basically go melee vet

[prisma herald]

damn, and i wanted to feel like a cool hipfiring dude

[severe jolt]

The autopistol does have a flashlight though, always nice in lights out missions

[sharp epoch]

It used to be so good bro 😭

[prisma herald]

hmmmm, sounds nice

[unreal nova]

The spread of the brace is actually worse... So uhh....

GL hitting things then. Nobody knows why.

[terse idol]

Its still really bad wouldn't recommend

[prisma herald]

i see

[severe jolt]

It's usable on a weapon specialist vet if you know what you're doing
but still not something to bring above heresy difficulty

[unreal nova]

That's for the BAG btw. You can test it yourself if you want. All bracing does is waste time at the min.

[prisma herald]

ye, i tried the gun

[unreal nova]

But is great if you just wanna rambo.

More so if you Zealot with that on dodge, free pinpoint accuracy.

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s fine in auric

[prisma herald]

not like i have many options in my current arsenal lol

[tall torrent]

It’s more tailor made for zealot’s needs than veteran’s

On veteran, auto pistol limits ur range a lot

On zealot, u don’t feel it as much with throwing knives being strong + more ways to gapclose

[severe jolt]

Anything's fine in auric if you're good enough. But not recommendable.

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s genuinely good on zealot

[severe jolt]

sir this is the veteran channel

[tall torrent]

You’re saying it is bad and I’m telling u that it isn’t

With the best application for zealot

It’s fine on veteran

Nowhere as “underpowered” as you’re claiming

[severe jolt]

Alright I won't fight you on that.

[unreal nova]

But Zealot mains is offtopic though.

[tall torrent]

Underpowered is smth like, combat shotgun

Where u have to play a very weird build just to make them function how they’re supposed to

[unreal nova]

Look, we all know the combat shotgun needs a buff... Well, multiple buffs.

It doesn't even work with weapon specialist which would be the best way to use it.

[tall torrent]

The best way to run combat shotgun is with exe stance

Very funny

[unreal nova]

I mean more like the Double barrel but it needs a special load every time so...

[tall torrent]

They don’t have to special load every time

Their core function is to ADS 1 tap gunners and specialists

Which they cannot do effectively without exe stance

Auto pistol on the other hand does its job quite well

Built in superior handling

Very strong stagger & suppression

Very fast TTK vs maniac enemies

[spark cipher]

here I was bracing it all this time and going "damn this thing sucks"

[unreal nova]

BAG?

EHM (B)AG.

[unreal nova]

But they feel so bad anyway when you could like, use some other gun and do the same.

[orchid hemlock]

The laspistol believe it or not was actually one of the "meta" guns for Vet during the first Havoc rotation

[prisma herald]

the bolt pistol is pretty fun

[severe jolt]

It's still the meta gun to me, dammit

[orchid hemlock]

It tech still is

Ammo isn't that important in this rotation, but still valuable

[frank basin]

meta this meta that, have you ever meta girl before?

[severe jolt]

I haven't even touched havoc yet, believe it or not. That's sorta why I joined in the first place. I ran out of stuff to do without a pre-made team.

[orchid hemlock]

Alright let's see if u are a tru Vet gaymer

[frank basin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VxQDgV5q4g

[orchid hemlock]

What is the 4 best melees for Vet in your opinion?

[severe jolt]

Not today, but soon

[severe jolt]

combat axe, combat knife, chainaxe, power sword

[orchid hemlock]

Dam 3 for 4 😞

How can u forgot the abomination that is the toothpick?

[hollow ibex]

Idk if chaxe makes top… 6 or 7

[orchid hemlock]

Or maybe it's better this way 🤔

[warm schooner]

chainaxe lol

[orchid hemlock]

Nah let him cook wait

[severe jolt]

Chaxe works well for what it is. I dunno, I guess you could substitute that for the helbore stab and just pick whatever you want.

[orchid hemlock]

Tbh tho, you already better than T***er if you said Combat Axe, and that is all that matters

[orchid hemlock]

Do you just hate the Dueling Sword and refuse to use it? 🤔

If so then

[severe jolt]

I don't think it's fun to use.

[severe jolt]

I mean I already mained Saltzpyre in VT2 for about 800 hours and I don't need any more of that.

[orchid hemlock]

But Chain Axe is interesting 🤔

I don't think I remember ever using ChainAxe on Vet

I used it a couple times on Zealot and then went straight back to something else

[prisma herald]

why wouldn't one just use the bolter though?

[severe jolt]

2 reasons
swap speed
bolt pistol gets the Surgical blessing

[warm schooner]

grenade stat stick

[prisma herald]

i got run and gun on my pistol

[unreal nova]

But but, what if you are actually a girl?

[frank basin]

that means i met myself

paradoxically

[severe jolt]

Which is well and fine if your playstyle is mobile. I do that on psyker with the electro staff.

[unreal nova]

No, I meant me. IDK, I think it made more sense spoken.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah cuz it’s bad

[frank basin]

hi girl, I am boy.

[prisma herald]

hello boy

[unreal nova]

.-.

[neon current]

@tall torrent best perks on plasma for current havoc?

[tiny pendant]

does this notification actually dissapear when it should? I loaded into a game with the bug that removes all your talents like 45mins ago and I'm still in jail sadge

oops not gen mb

[sharp epoch]

you dont really need a premade team for havoc unless you want to consistently win h40s

I've won h40s with party finder a bunch of times and with discord lfg randoms

[undone sigil]

Let's farkin go

Just wait till they go to havoc 50 but one of the modifiers is you're queuing with malice/heresy players

[sharp epoch]

im already practicing weve dragged a couple clearance ones to victory in h40 already

[neon current]

you dont need a premade

just 3 ogryns and a bubble

[faint beacon]

I mean you can also just Ogryn stack lmao

Class is just that fucking good

[neon current]

thats one way to put it

[sharp epoch]

shield tauntgryn = psyker, glugger = veteran, clubgryn = zealot, uhhh knifegryn = unkillable ogryn

[warm schooner]

pmuch

[undone sigil]

Fatshark too scared to just let ogryn pick the other classes talents as well

Psykergyn

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + Flak

[tall torrent]

Surgical not competitive enough on it

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it even goes into top 10 lol

Power sword 6
Duelling sword 4
Combat blade 6
Combat axe 3
Duelling sword 2
Combat axe 5
Tactical axe 7
Tactical axe 2
Power sword 3
Heavy sword 9
Duelling sword 5

After that maybe shovel

[hollow ibex]

Oh yeah true if we’re splitting by marks