veteran-class

[void dragon]

not the case

[tropic notch]

In my opinion you’d get more out of riposte

You’ll need crit to kill

[hollow ibex]

you're operating on the assumption that DT weapons are well-balanced and sidegrades of each other. you're sorely mistaken.

[faint beacon]

Incredibly normal

(brainrottron 3000 pack)

[hidden tree]

thanks king

[tropic notch]

[void dragon]

I HAVE A DREAM DAMNIT! that i can bring stuff like Dclaw and while i can say that is not the best weapon i can say it has a fun niche

But i dont feel that so far

[tropic notch]

Dclaw my beloved

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/martinlutherking-ihaveadream-gif-4834306

[tall torrent]

It’s not published (because it’s unfinished) so even if I send u a link, it’s not usable

What part do u need

[tropic notch]

Uhhh melee perks

Just wanna make sure everything is right on vet

Dclaw d barrel vet…..

So peak

Here he comes

We should do a dclaw duo

[frank basin]

@smoky oar #general-chat message

[tropic notch]

And weep when we find a cursher

[tall torrent]

Which melee

[smoky oar]

Should have ping shini instead

[frank basin]

who?

[void dragon]

for how its designed, i almost feel that Dclaw is suspposed to be the blanket of safety for a gun vet, so you can get away and protect yourself in melee as you dodge your way to safety to pull gun and shoot again

[tropic notch]

All of them? You can dm then to me

[tall torrent]

I only finished like

8.5 melee weapons

In steam guide

[tropic notch]

I’ll take the 9

[tall torrent]

I’m outside and I don’t have a lot of cellular data

I’ll send when I’m home

[tropic notch]

How much changed between the word doc and steam guide?

[tropic notch]

Calling the jade emperor to build you a cell tower

https://tenor.com/view/fact-checked-true-cowpoke-pooner-qianlong-gif-3827914201118197286

[vernal trench]

fuck yea time to quit the game

[orchid hemlock]

There's more killin to do

[vernal trench]

no

time to retire for a while

will be back eventually

[orchid hemlock]

Goodbye then

I'll be here waiting for you 😞

[void dragon]

the man go away traitor, dripless but happy

*pulls a bolter

[hidden tree]

im conflicted between riposte and flesh tearer on knife

[tame lodge]

Lore accurate Power Sword

[red robin]

wait

rampage blessing is power buff?

[elder fiber]

yes

[red robin]

damnn

i must be adhd af or dyslexic because it says dmg

downloaded enhanced descriptions mod, it says it gives power, checked kulis blessings guide and yeah its power

erm

strength

[elder fiber]

fatshark doesn't do accurate descriptions and rampage has been that way for idek how long so it's a feature not a bug

[tame lodge]

Get Fatshark'd

[red robin]

its so over

but damn

i like that

i like rampage even moreso now

[tame lodge]

Real

[tall torrent]

Uh

[tropic notch]

For what I’m wanting atleast

[tall torrent]

Not that much? For the ones I did

I think?

[tropic notch]

I know the word say cara and maniac for tac axe vs unarmored and flak

[red robin]

oi

this is a devils claw sword with cleave targets at 60%

the 2nd grey number is 80%, i got a mod for true stats

what am i losing out on with that 60% to 80% cleave targets

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/steamhappy-meme-steam-tg-bratishkin-gif-274347585508037432

[tame lodge]

0.6 and 0.2 cleave on the first light and heavy

On the sweeping heavies you're probably losing 1 cleave

[red robin]

huge or nothing burger?

[tame lodge]

What mk is that one?

[red robin]

4

mk iv

the mk7 seems the nicer one

[trail raptor]

be methodical seems challenging

[austere mica]

Which is that

[tame lodge]

On the lights you're not hitting 6 walkers

And

Yeah I guess that's it

Oh no

You're not hitting a 3rd Dreg Bruisers

Not with lights that is

[red robin]

My ocd ass needs a claw sword with 60% mobility dump now

[pseudo fiber]

Hell yeah

[hollow ibex]

at least it's only havoc 21

[hidden tree]

.

[pseudo fiber]

lots of horde shooting going on here

[void dragon]

i dont get the Hellbore, damned thing has less damage into bosses than a boltgun shooting individual shoots! Darnit Obesefish! this is not even hard to notice!

and its almost twice as slow than a recon lasgun!

[hollow ibex]

IV's aight, just slow

[void dragon]

this is with IV

[hollow ibex]

oh

[void dragon]

YEAH!

[hollow ibex]

the sustained boss damage should be pretty good

i'm sure bolter's burst damage is better tho

[void dragon]

yeah bolter dmg with burst is like 23 sec

but individual is 35 vs the 39 of hellbore

i was expecting the Helbore to win that at least

btw what's up with the braced Aguns? arent they supposed to be like light machineguns? why their damage is so low? even on the trade for some stagger i think they are among the less damage weapons, even shredder has more damage and more stagger to knock ragers with EASE

[austere mica]

Shredder can't do 60 pox a mag

[void dragon]

i believe it does as much pox as the IAutogun, aprox 23

shredder can do 9 so that checks out

but credit to it: it can clear 100 of them without being touched at all, the stagger of that pistol is nutty even if that would be ammo inefficient

[tame lodge]

Volume of fire over accuracy

[void dragon]

idk, is FAR more easy for the horde to come and attack you than when using the shredder, doesnt have that much stagger on top of not really dealing that much dps

[humble vault]

Finally, my perfect lasgun, I have it

[void dragon]

...isnt the Rlasgun dump stat collateral?

[tame lodge]

Mobi or collat

[tame lodge]

That's because suppression builds twice the aggro than kills

And brautos are kings of suppression

[humble vault]

what's the dump stat on combat knives?

[void dragon]

look, all im saying is that a pox walker can shrug off bullets of the agripi BracedAgun and still slap you, while they fall to their butts when shoot by the shredder, same with ragers

[tropic notch]

Mobility

[tame lodge]

Mobi

[humble vault]

and what are the meta perks and blessings on it?

[void dragon]

blessings there is to pick a combination of uncanny/riposse/flesh tearer/Precog/mercy killer

pick your poison

[hollow ibex]

uncanny + lacerate

[void dragon]

perks are caparace and pick between Flack/elite/+stamina

[humble vault]

and the better mark?

[hollow ibex]

6 usually

3's not bad rn either tho, but requires specific builds

[humble vault]

Decent?

[hollow ibex]

uncanny strike is mandatory

[humble vault]

really?

[void dragon]

it is?

[hollow ibex]

yeah because it's stupidly strong

especially with bleed

[humble vault]

what would you combo it with?

[tame lodge]

Precognition or Riposte

[void dragon]

Bleed? not burn? what weapons get to add bleed?

[hollow ibex]

well knife can't apply burn...

but uncanny applies to all DOTs

[void dragon]

yeah but i mean if there is a way to apply it, since i only knew of pairing it with recon lasguns for burn

I was wondering if there was something i didnt knew

[tropic notch]

If you’re utilizing bleed you gotta run uncanny

[void dragon]

same would be for burn, but is it because frag nades, right? dont think there is a ranged weapon that put bleed

[hollow ibex]

flechette DB would

[tropic notch]

db, bolter, bolt pistol, melee with bleed

[void dragon]

forgot the bolters, those are good and i really forgot them

[lean bloom]

Which are the top 3 melee weapons for veterans?

[hollow ibex]

power sword, DS, rashad

[hidden tree]

mobility

im conflicted

[hidden tree]

knife works too

[hidden tree]

best perks for 1h chainsword? for breakpoints?

[sharp epoch]

the breakpoints sweats dont use that 😭

[hidden tree]

oh i know

im making it work

[sharp epoch]

gotta test it yourself pretty much

[hidden tree]

struggling

[hidden tree]

doing that as we speak lol

[tame lodge]

Just go

Flak Maniacs

[calm shard]

chainsword doesn't dooooooo breakpoints

[hidden tree]

i now

[calm shard]

it doesn't have enough damage for...anything really

[hidden tree]

its a fight out here

this thing struggles

[tame lodge]

Iirc Carapace for 2 revs or something

[calm shard]

chainsword has strong hordeclear and then that horde has one rager in it and it just...doesn't anymore

[tame lodge]

Oh important to note that the crusher won't get staggered

Unless it's a crit

[hidden tree]

yea i used to run bloodletter, is that still viable

[tame lodge]

You'd lose on horde clearing

[gloomy iris]

Does anyone have veteran build for general use?

[clear maple]

hows yalls's skill tree looking?

[clear maple]

we love it

me when my role is a skill tree

ill do the same shit

but on zealot

[hidden tree]

its a 2 hit without cara

[clear maple]

HUH GAMBLING

[hidden tree]

only with crit

[clear maple]

we love gambling

[hidden tree]

3 to 4 without

[clear maple]

wait ill show you my comfort zealout

its just like zealot

like i play it

with the necessary gambling

but

jk

theyre is a before and after

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3158661162

its this one

or just exactly the opposite

lmfao

[tame lodge]

The Build™

[clear maple]

im showing wtf i did with it

YES

ill fucking get all the golden ones

but if you let me grind for a skin im like

oh yeah these are the skins i have

the burn one

its just middle maxxing

like

do what you want with psyker

but if you use the middle ability

you can scream more

[hidden tree]

i like shred bloodletter, good middle ground i see what you mean by hordes, it takes like 1 extra hit

[clear maple]

me just using guns is being like

yes

i use this zealot gun because its a good rifle

it may has a light

i have fire

but like

[junior grail]

Hope zealot tree gets rework too and Gunzealot becomes viable muahaha

[signal zinc]

I'm a diehard vet main

Something about being a normal ass guy with a gun in a squad of giants, wizards and priests hits different

[junior grail]

Normal ass guy with a PLASMAGUN

[signal zinc]

I'm just a [REDACTED BY THE INQUISITION] with a plasma gun

[hollow ibex]

(and a powersword)

[red robin]

man, perfect strike and hotshot has infinite cleave on the heavy sword

[signal zinc]

I main lasguns so I really am just a normal guy with a gun

[red robin]

im swiping through 20 maulers without getting stuck on anything

[hollow ibex]

🤔

doesn't carapace still stop it?

[red robin]

perfect strike removes that on crit

crit dependant tho

which vet doesn't get much of

50% is the best i can reach

[hollow ibex]

oh right perfect strike

are you running tier 1 hotshot?

[red robin]

hit mass is reduced by 75% on crits, hotshot removes 80%

yeah tier 1

not amazing as the armor dmg aint there

[junior grail]

What's a good melee for Specialist Plasma? Other than DS

[hollow ibex]

any of the meta vet weapons really

[gilded wraith]

@red robin What's the second blessing on your heavy sword?

[frank basin]

I would run Taxe for ease use

“Agile” hit and dodge

It would suck on mass horde anyway

Still keep the spirit up

[red robin]

slaughterer

[tall torrent]

Whoever wrote this guide doesn’t actually understand how perfect strike, finesse scaling, cleave or mass work

They might not even be aware of the CDDC mechanic on eviscerator XV’s light attacks

[clear maple]

Yes

Its my guide i use if i wanna play stuff

But i like yes

[tall torrent]

Would u like to know

[clear maple]

The response is maybe gonna sound like hypno

Anyway

Yes tell me everything

But just spamm my everything yyl

Your name is bla bla guide

Yes

Im asking you because i have a server for tumblr

Just play zealot or veteran

But make it sound interesting

[clear maple]

The casus belli yes

[hollow ibex]

this team didn't even make it past THREE MINUTES in AM

[red robin]

damn

just hit em with "happens"

[hollow ibex]

i mean i go into every QP match, expecting to carry buffoons

but there are some teams that i cannot carry

at least with the meme keystoneless hsword SAP build i'm running

[red robin]

i just hit em with "team game"

[hollow ibex]

join another match

it's a PBB rumblergryn

time to fucking leave

[junior grail]

May I know your build?

[frank basin]

return malice

sedation baby mode!

[hollow ibex]

not a terrible result for a 30 minute match with a meme build and a bleed charge ogryn

[hollow ibex]

tthis is what i ran with hsword

but honestly i think i'd rather just go back to using psword

which allows me to drop onslaught

and have 2 flex points to spend elsewhere

but the idea of the build is to use VOC offensively because of marksman + FTE + CQKZ

which gives you exec stance at home

(except with golden toughness)

[steep pier]

painful

i've been playing vet since week 2 with helbore to the point

i tried pg today

and i died

i can't play vet without my helbore

[formal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/masive-skill-issue-skill-issue-yakudza-gif-14004060172467418456

[hollow ibex]

just tried a dedicated helbore hotshot build

idk if it's worth it lol

[hot whale]

Real quick

[shut orbit]

Is there any way to buff firerate?

[hot whale]

Does lethal proximity still increase your grenade shit

[calm shard]

weapon specialist boosts fire rate

[hollow ibex]

yes

[hollow ibex]

switch to a faster firing gun

[grand perch]

if i knew an easy way to look up damage distribution cap, it'd be easier to tell which melees actually profit off the extra cleave

[hollow ibex]

i tested with PS

which can definitely struggle at times with thiccer hordes

but didn't notice a material difference

[split sapphire]

Any dueling sword users out there?

[tame lodge]

But did you have hotshot t1 though

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's what i tried

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/suit-meme-gif-3154536417054843778

[hollow ibex]

because i previous had it t4

so wanted to give it another shot

[junior grail]

Ratling?

[grand perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1363780070392725574/Replay_2025.04.21-09.30.mp400.03.50.96600.04.01.966.mp4?ex=680746aa&is=6805f52a&hm=e98484b3af3461cf9739f3c2f693a066cc65d4a69554b8976deed2aa6969d1c7&

new havoc complication: summoners zapping your eyeballs in nice warpfire

[tame lodge]

FS cooking new psyker enemy

This shit hilarious

[calm shard]

a psyker enemy that blinds you while highlighting themselves through walls could be cool

[lilac kayak]

1 unkillable sniper special that pop ups throughout the match at the worst spots that shoot 2x faster and can 1 shot u

[shut orbit]

What's the go-to mk6 knife combo for single target? I'm seeing a lot of variations of heavies/specials/push attacks online.

And most seem to skip the heavy downwards stab for some reason which seems like the highest damage move

[tame lodge]

[] means it can loop

For example
You could just PA ad infinitum

[shut orbit]

I'm very confused about which part to actually loop though, they all feel about the same

[stoic thorn]

Me watching as an idiot fucking dickbag with auric storm survivor just not use his melee and only used recon las

How I managed to even keep my plasma gun fed with ammo is astonishing

[vernal ermine]

What do you guys recomend as a dump stat for the plasma gun?

[heavy rover]

there's not necessarily a dump stat on plasma gun, per se. Ideally you get 69% on thermal resistance and 71% on charge rate

[vernal ermine]

Is there a reason for these odd numbers ?

[odd sparrow]

thermal resistance above 69% is near pointless because its the point you reach 8 shots in a row

theres no true useless stat on plasma therefore getting thermal to 69% is the best you can get, since more than 69% would be wasted

[vernal ermine]

Ok, my plasma i have has 60 thermal resistance

Rn it's blue

So no much resources spend here

[odd sparrow]

shouldnt be too bad

plasma is still insanely good regardless

[vernal ermine]

Thanks guys

[uncut pebble]

This is fine until you get a couple million dockets to blow on a perfect plasma roll.

[tame lodge]

For the sake of tradition

@tired egret

[native hamlet]

what do you struggle with when playing combat knife?

i don't have resources to make one, but i know a friend who runs it and thinking if i understand it i could synergize with him more in combat

[frank basin]

Zealot has zero for me but I never tried on veteran

I brought knife and upgraded and never use it

[unreal nova]

Actually, it's 68%. You get 8 shots still.

[unreal nova]

Massive horde clear.

[balmy flume]

Am I hallucinating

Or is the gap between Havoc 24 and 25

A bit of a massive stretch?

[orchid hemlock]

All havocs are cringe

[void dragon]

Didn't felt that different outside of ammo replenishment becoming harder

Granted we got ambushed by twins from second 1 but that's life

[native hamlet]

do they have some sorts of staying power too?

[red robin]

Mobility and elite killing power

[main sierra]

sp I have been messing around with the hellbore lasgun MK V for a while now and im convinced that it is simply bad with in domination is this true or am I simply a fool

[signal cypress]

So what blessings would be better for plas?
Gets hot and the other blessing that increases strength based on its heat?

Forgot most of the names

[main sierra]

i run sustauned fire and getting hot

some one smarter then me did the math and it shows with sustained fire on it does more hip dmg then when held down

i think

[signal cypress]

Alri
I'll toy with sustained when i get home later

[main sierra]

ye

[tame lodge]

Surgical Hotshot

Without crits you'll have to aim to the head

Otherwise you deal no damage

[umbral scaffold]

I use getting hot and rising heat

[main sierra]

oh thats super good to know ill try that out

[balmy flume]

I don’t know, I can consistently do 24 with PUG but as soon as I try to do 25 I keep hitting a brick wall

Also apparently there is a “shortcut” for jab block drayco?

Someone was saying something about “it’s just over the other side” instead of extracting by running at the pipes

During extraction.

[void dragon]

Pubs are not great metrics, sometimes you have the noob squad, sometimes you find the A-team

[balmy flume]

Ye well the metric is that most PUGs seem to run into a wall at 25 :p

But anyways can anyone confirm the Draco shortcut? Or is that guy just rambling off his ass?

[red robin]

Ngl I just like the helbore for tier 1 hotshot for 80% hitmass reduction for my melee weapon

I use weapon specialist, one motion, and agile engagement

I don’t even charge the shots, I just spam fire for the hell of it

[lusty ether]

been trying to bother more with the infantry lasgun

[red robin]

1.25 draw time reduced to 1 ain’t enough tho

[lusty ether]

feel like the lightest version is the handiest, tbh

just spammy shots

[red robin]

It has instant sprint to fire and fast ads movement

[serene bough]

yeah IIb is the best

you could find use for the VII but you'll need to push its breakpoints over the edge w/ FT or exec stance

[main sierra]

thats not good to hear tbh

[red robin]

It’s abusing a bug

Inverted values

I like the helbore

[main sierra]

wehn i look upn th eweopon aatm the general answer is that it fails at all its meant to do apearntly

[red robin]

Yeahh

It’s the draw time that curbs my enjoyment

Otherwise it would feel good with weapon specialist

[main sierra]

yikes thats how nech it is no wonder why ive never seen it in the wild shame to it has a lot flavor behind it

[main sierra]

here i was hoping for at the very least a faast shooting plasma gun but i geuss that is still just the plasma gun

[tall torrent]

Nah VII has minimum spec

It’s better TTK but worse handling

The only one that needs massive breakpoint investment is IX

[serene bough]

whats the best way to use VII

just FT

?

ignoring other nodes and stat boosts for the moment, just talking about ability & keystone

[tall torrent]

Even that isn’t required

If goal it to make VII one tap, u need marksman focus

And exe stance

Which kind of isn’t worth the investment

So most of the time 2 tap headshot is perfectly serviceable

[serene bough]

i see

ive tried running VII with shout and FT but i havent played with it enough to know if its better or not

maybe ill try shout and MMF

[tall torrent]

MF on its own is not enough for VII to 1 tap

Because its dmg is just nicely situated right on the 2 shot breakpoints

To make it 1 tap u basically need to double its damage

[serene bough]

how many stacks of MMF do you need to 2-tap

[tall torrent]

0

It 2 taps without it lol

Like I said it’s a very low spec gun

[serene bough]

oh i see, now i get it

both MMF and exe to 1-tap but otherwise 2 tap

wish i could test havoc BPs though, id like to play around w/ builds using it

[native hamlet]

what is being 2 tapped?

[serene bough]

2 shots to kill

[native hamlet]

tried to scroll up but couldn't find context

[native hamlet]

yeah what is being killed
just 2 shot headshots for all specials and elites?

[tall torrent]

Flamers and gunners

That’s what matters most for guns usually

[native hamlet]

gotcha

[trail raptor]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ebacc89-fce8-4f47-ae0c-571e39dcdbf5/feedback?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Talent tree look okay on this?

[red robin]

How does block efficiency interact with perfect parry?

On claw sword?

3x 12% block efficiency, 1x 20% block efficiency, these all stack multiplicatively eh?

[fluid orbit]

pretty sure the claw parry doesn't use stamina, so the block efficiency is useless with it

[dry cloak]

its does use stam

[red robin]

What if there’s two enemies hitting me with attacks

[fluid orbit]

it does? i never noticed

[red robin]

The perfect party reduces, the second enemy hits the block

I know don’t bother with overheads

[tall torrent]

No interaction

[fluid orbit]

i remember parrying overheads

did something change since i last used it

[red robin]

Does conditioning interact with it?

[tall torrent]

No interaction either

Because perfect parry is a “capped amount of stamina used per block action”

This amount is unaffected by anything

[fluid orbit]

wait are we talking about the devil claw's parry counter or am i being stupid

[red robin]

Yeah

The 0.2 window for perfect parry

[fluid orbit]

it feels longer than 0.2

[red robin]

Just asking because of those recent changes

What does (1.5,0.5) to (1.0,0.5) mean for block cost?

What’s inner?

[tall torrent]

Went from 100% to 75% block cost

[red robin]

Ooo

[tall torrent]

120 degrees in front

[red robin]

Block cost does influence stamina from perfect parry

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t

[red robin]

94 to 97

[fluid orbit]

can you still parry counter when out of stamina?

[red robin]

98 with conditioning

[tall torrent]

That’s because it didn’t reach the stamina cap of perfect parry

[red robin]

Oooooo

[tall torrent]

So it doesn’t matter if it was perfect parry or not

If you block a crusher sweep for example

That’s 4 stamina cost

DC has x75% from front

So 3 stamina cost

Now if that was a perfect parry, it caps stamina cost to 2, so it’ll be 2 cost

[stoic thorn]

How I fucking watch as the ASS truelvl 56 vet only use his fucking recon las

His ammo hungry ass versus my ammo hungry plasma gunner ass

[red robin]

Yeah ur right

I was testing on ragers, bulwark still puts me at 78% regardless of block cost reduction

Still capped at 2

[fluid orbit]

i wonder why the healing grenade mortis upgrade doesn't turn the smoke grenade into a budget medpack

healing over time instead of a small instant heal on explosion

[unreal nova]

It should do both anyway. Funnier.

[fluid orbit]

funnier and more useful...

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent glorious jade emperor we must make immortality elixirs

[tall torrent]

wat

[tropic notch]

At 4:30 cst

[tropic notch]

Wanna play when I get off work

[tall torrent]

I can try

[olive geode]

Heya, I'm trying to switch my combat axe from Rashad to Antax, but it won't register the change and stays on Rashad

it works on unrolled, fresh axes, but the one I have upgraded won't allow me to change mark..

[unreal nova]

Did you try backing out into the mourningstar and going back in?

[tall torrent]

wat

[olive geode]

yep, even tride restarting my game

weird bug, never encountered it

[unreal nova]

I guess it's another one to the FS report then.

[trim steppe]

I've seen weapons get stuck on an old mark but its always just a visual bug, the weapon does actually change. Try testing it in the psych?

[pseudo fiber]

I've seen weapon customisation get annoying too

[tropic notch]

Out of memory every minute

[orchid hemlock]

I think Fyre figured out you are Chinese and...uuhh

Yeah I don't get it either 😞

[tropic notch]

He’s Chinese American

[loud belfry]

he loves the chinese i guess

[orchid hemlock]

Ok

[orchid hemlock]

Wait I'm Puerto Rican and I like Money 🤔

[grand perch]

i path loves money so much, where's his patreon + subscribestar + OnlyVets account??

[orchid hemlock]

He needs donations

Let's Make it happen

[tall torrent]

who said that

[tropic notch]

You did

I think?

[tall torrent]

?????

I'm not chinese american

[tropic notch]

I’m schizophrenic then

[grand perch]

neither am i!

[loud belfry]

one thing is for sure, he's definitely chinese

[tropic notch]

Glory to path’s dynasty

[unreal nova]

Wait, he has one? Sus.

[orchid hemlock]

We figured it out everyone

[tropic notch]

People’s republic of path

[tall torrent]

monitor tmr

I hope

it says Tuesday but actually hasn't reached the shipping stage yet

it just says "ordered"

[tropic notch]

Oh my god I’m going crazy you never said this

Losing mah freaking marbles

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929807268994744340/1152415201900105758/kratoscat.gif

[tropic notch]

I thought it was in zealot chat but it was the topic of Chinese American dishes

[orchid hemlock]

I'm technically "American" because Puerto Rico is an American territory

But I never use that label 🤢

[loud belfry]

you will be assimilated

(borg gif)

[orchid hemlock]

I hope not, second generation Puerto Rican that live in New York are pretty LARPy

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/wings-wingsofredemption-thor-stormbreaker-gif-15888988948364502772

[tall torrent]

finished tac axe VII

19 melee weapons left

[orchid hemlock]

MFers who never set foot on the island: "YO QUERO GASOLIIINAAA PENDEJO, CHULA CASTCA MI PESCHO!!!!"

[orchid hemlock]

Like chill bro, you grew up in Queens not Arecibo 💀

[grand perch]

and then they go back to NY and are able to vote for a president. major puerto rican loss

[grand perch]

is beautiful

[orchid hemlock]

I hate it the most when they try to do these skits:

https://youtube.com/shorts/6XvvZw-YDU8?si=YV6_m2GzasoJOApQ

[tall torrent]

not sure what melee to do next after tac axe IV

[grand perch]

chainsword done alr?

[orchid hemlock]

The mofongo joke makes me cringe soo hard

[tall torrent]

no

[orchid hemlock]

Path versus CS

Who will win?

[olive geode]

found the fix

its because one of the stats was 0/60

game didn't like that

[tall torrent]

chainsword is woefully uninteresting and mediocre at best

[grand perch]

you could do chswords because people keep taking them even though theyre awful, usually because of gameslantern builds

[olive geode]

empowered it a couple times and fixed the issue

[orchid hemlock]

Nuh uh: https://youtu.be/R07LQqQpo8M?si=CdIB-V7Za6kW7_eY

[grand perch]

im not clicking that

[tall torrent]

unlike many of u, I don't hate watch

[orchid hemlock]

Fuck MB I should have screenshotted it

I fed the algorithm

😭

[orchid hemlock]

Wait wtf is this?

Nah don't tell me he's farming content from Forum comments 😭

[tropic notch]

What’s the most uninteresting and borderline terrible melee weapon in the game atm

[spark cipher]

Is this the same guy?

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[tropic notch]

Cs or shock maul?

[atomic void]

shock maul

[tall torrent]

shovel

[atomic void]

its the weapon of all time

[tall torrent]

[grand perch]

[tropic notch]

@charred finch in the thumbnail

[orchid hemlock]

Nah Shock is goated at Bullwalks

[grand perch]

a wild @narrow frost appears

[spark cipher]

Until we can dig our own latrines, it literally can't do it's own job 😭

[tropic notch]

The chain sword is better than the shovel?

[orchid hemlock]

I mean they are right

[tropic notch]

Damm

[tall torrent]

chainsword maintains finesse differentials across cleaved targets

what's particularly interesting about shovel

uncanny op

[orchid hemlock]

When content creators are doing react slop instead of actual content, you know it's legit

[tall torrent]

skullcrusher is team support, shovel itself doesn't even do enough stagger to use skullcrusher effectively

[orchid hemlock]

Watch next video will be screenshots of me

[tropic notch]

So shovel is the worst thing in the game?

[orchid hemlock]

I'm gonna be famous

[tropic notch]

Well not worst but

Most mid?

[tall torrent]

no

[orchid hemlock]

Gonna get death threats in my DMs 😏

[tall torrent]

most uninteresting to me

[tropic notch]

Ohhh

[grand perch]

path never liked the shovel, thats just lore

[orchid hemlock]

You know what's the most uninteresting

[spark cipher]

Wholesome wishes for horrific demise 🤗

[orchid hemlock]

DS

[tall torrent]

as a chinese person it's difficult to appreciate what's not there

[grand perch]

you dont appreciate taiwan?

[tall torrent]

they have good food

I been there

good people

u shud try their beef noodles one day

peak

and milk tea

[orchid hemlock]

I want to try Drunken Noodles there

I'm planning a trip in East Asia, but I'm still not sure where to go

I'm leaning towards Vietnam

[grand perch]

im not keen on travelling that far, but if i had to it would be singapore

[orchid hemlock]

If u are from the US

A secret spot that is super cheap and great is Gulf Shores Alabama

[grand perch]

im not, im eurotrash

[tall torrent]

do a week in shanghai or smth

[orchid hemlock]

In EU I've heard in Western Portugal is good and in the East Budapest

[orchid hemlock]

I really want to go to PRC, but I've heard there are not a lot of English speakers 😔

Not like HK

[tall torrent]

english is not officially used in infrastructure nearly as much as say, Japan

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah but I'm more worried about the signs

[tall torrent]

u can always use translator devices

[orchid hemlock]

I can just point to a taxi driver or Uber for where I want to go

But not being able to read signs gives me a lot of anxiety and stress

[tall torrent]

like, road signs?

[grand perch]

my sister and my best friend went to chongqing for a wedding, if they hadnt gone with a chinese person to interpret they'd been absolutely lost

[orchid hemlock]

Yes or signs for restaurants

[tall torrent]

oh yea that city is uh

it's a maze

[loud belfry]

chongqing is a next gen city

[grand perch]

meanwhile i get lost in italy, im not going to asia

[orchid hemlock]

A good diamond in the rough for EU travelers is Armenia

[tall torrent]

I think outside of beijing, most t1 chinese cities look pretty next gen

[atomic void]

what on earth is a next gen city

[loud belfry]

use ur own interpretational abilities to figure it out

(it means it's more advanced than current cities)

[tall torrent]

look up chongqing

[atomic void]

(i know the answer)

[orchid hemlock]

Cities that were built after the post war era

Most East Asian cities are technically new due to the devastation of WW2

[tall torrent]

anyways this is the basic TLDR on chinese cities to visit

Shanghai is economic & trade center
Shenzhen is Silicon Valley equivalent
Chongqing is cyberpunk
Xi’an is historical capital
Beijing is current capital
Chengdu is panda HQ

[atomic void]

i remember seeing a chinese city built like a real world cyberpunk city
its probably this one

[tall torrent]

yea that

[orchid hemlock]

Hmmm everyone tells me to visit Nanking, Shanghai, Beijing

🤔

[atomic void]

massive skyscrapers and massive bridges everywhere

blocks and blocks of mondern looking buildings

ads everywhere

[tall torrent]

shanghai is wall street equivalent
nanking is more historical value
beijing is uh

[hollow ibex]

Or what’s left of it rip

[tall torrent]

let's just say that if ur not used to northern food

beijing cuisine is not for the weak

[orchid hemlock]

Armenia has recovered the best out of the Caucasia nations

[tall torrent]

beijing has a lot of historical sites

pretty cool

the vibe is not nearly as modern as the other t1 cities

[orchid hemlock]

🍖

[grand perch]

RASHUNS?!

[hollow ibex]

Just memeing about their relatively recent war

[orchid hemlock]

Most of what they are recovering from is the Genocide by the Turks

[tall torrent]

if u try to order peking duck in beijing u will 99.95% get scammed by a super high end restaurant that charges u hundreds for 1 meal

[hollow ibex]

Much older but I’m sure they still bear the scars of that too

[orchid hemlock]

Dam no roast duck 😞

[tall torrent]

u need local guides to tell u what's good in beijing, basically

that's kind of a beijing only thing

[tropic notch]

I’ve wanted to go to dengfeng

[orchid hemlock]

They had a good relationship with the USSR too so they had good infrastructure development during the 20th century

[tall torrent]

we don't have that equivalent in shanghai

[loud belfry]

if i go to china and criticize xi jinping will i die

[tall torrent]

why

[orchid hemlock]

That's why I think it's a good place to visit atm

[tall torrent]

no

[hollow ibex]

Came to really bite them in the ass a few years ago. Rip.

[tropic notch]

I’ve always been interested in shaolin

[orchid hemlock]

Oh yeah another thing people told me is to see the "5 scared mountains" what is that? 🤔

[tall torrent]

do not go there in the summer

u will experience what 1.41B population feels like

[orchid hemlock]

I'm from Puerto Rico, heat doesn't bother me

Oh crowds nvm

💀

[loud belfry]

the population in china is crazy

[tall torrent]

esp with trade war causing China to promote internal consumption & tourism

these sites will be even more crowded than before

[orchid hemlock]

What are the sacred mountains anyways? 🤔

[grand perch]

Mountains

That are sacred

[orchid hemlock]

🤯

[tall torrent]

idk how to speak them in english

uh

[orchid hemlock]

These: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Mountains_of_China

[tall torrent]

Tai (in Shandong)
Hua (in Shanxi)
Song (in Henan)
Heng (in Shanxi)
Heng (in Hunan)

[orchid hemlock]

Wtf

Gonna get massive thighs after I finish 😎

[loud belfry]

i saw a video of a chinese mountainside and some guy fell off

i dont think he was able to get his i-frames out in time if you catch my drift

[tall torrent]

gotta be raining

[tropic notch]

I’ve always wanted to be a monk

[tall torrent]

there's no chance these places aren't crowded when it's sunny outside

or maybe it was taken during COVID lockdown

[tropic notch]

Shaolin so cool

[sharp epoch]

😬

[tall torrent]

u mean warrior monks?

[tropic notch]

Yarp

[tropic notch]

[orchid hemlock]

Sigh

[orchid hemlock]

Pic was taken in 2015

Idk what month tho

[tall torrent]

ok then 100% raining

[sharp epoch]

being a monk would be like shave your head bald, wake up at like 6 am everyday and meditate and do random stuff then sleep everyday and also beg on the street

[loud belfry]

it looks like it's raining in that pic

[orchid hemlock]

Clouds look fine tho

[tropic notch]

I’ve always been into karate, I wanted to study other arts to improve it

[orchid hemlock]

Tai Chi lessons are everywhere in China

[tropic notch]

Not tai chi

Da hell

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah but if you want to martial arts you don't need to become a monk

[tropic notch]

It’s fun tho I’d like to get that flexible

[tall torrent]

are u going there as a tourist or as a student

[tropic notch]

I’m pretty sure they start with something called gong qi

[tall torrent]

cuz I don't think tours last long enough for proper shaolin warrior monk training lol

[tropic notch]

Hopefully student

[orchid hemlock]

Skadoosh

[tropic notch]

Take my cat and pc der

I’m sorry it’s call qigong

The basics

[orchid hemlock]

IG if I could pick a martial art, maybe I can learn Wing Chun

But other than that, I want to see the chill places in China

Maybe the rural side

[tall torrent]

go to Xi'an

peak noodle dishes

also lots of historical sites

u could do like

[orchid hemlock]

Wait noodles

[tall torrent]

1 week
fly to Shanghai
then train to Xi'an

[orchid hemlock]

Say less 🍜

[tall torrent]

ya, Shanxi province is basically the noodle province in China

[orchid hemlock]

How long is the train from Shanghai?

[tall torrent]

there's a dish there where u get a bowl of noodle

note: bowl of noodle, not bowl of noodles

as in, 1 noodle

[orchid hemlock]

[tall torrent]

1 really long noodle

[orchid hemlock]

😩

[tall torrent]

google says 6~11hrs

[tropic notch]

Path teaching rn

[orchid hemlock]

That's speed train?

[tropic notch]

Listen and learn

[orchid hemlock]

Wait doesn't Xi an have an airport?

Why do I need to land in Shanghai?

[tropic notch]

Tbh if I had the chance and someone to take care of my cat I’d go to dengfeng

[tall torrent]

I think? 1509km rail

[tall torrent]

because shanghai is also peak and u will immediately be able to tell what makes xian different after arriving in shanghai

I am biased because I'm from shanghai

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/vnHjZTbdaIE?si=JiitHcWLrqKAiziM
https://youtu.be/n99FyZi8q50?si=kq46bZ_8ODjJfsau

[orchid hemlock]

[orchid hemlock]

Italians being humbled?

Impossible

[tall torrent]

just watch

[orchid hemlock]

How is this possible???

[tall torrent]

just watch, u won't be disappointed

[left cape]

Hey, coming back to the game after a while and wondering what’s a good weapon combo (melee/ ranged) for my lvl 27 veteran ? Not playing hardest difficulty yet just wondering

[tall torrent]

power sword VI
revolver IIa

[left cape]

Revolver really ? How come ?

[tall torrent]

super strong gun outside of havoc & mortis

[left cape]

Ill give it a try then ! And for endgame what should I aim for ?

[heavy rover]

Depends on what role you want to do imo

[tall torrent]

havoc?

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/1327912507150565436/IMG_2005.png?ex=68074ee5&is=6805fd65&hm=db3254320f7d9ea8453e3a55bce80ff22152661d75b718d80dd689770e550805&

@left cape

[woven cove]

Kinda crazy how much you can shoot as veteran.

Cleared most of a mission without using my melee weapon.

[crimson pebble]

unhealthy

[faint beacon]

Bad habit

[tame lodge]

[sharp epoch]

Yeah, but the higher the difficulty the less that works on havoc all ammo is nerfed

Also in terms of gun builds glugger is arguably better, ogryn in general has melees that deal with mixed horde and armor and ranged weapons that do too.

Vet just has bolter maybe plasma (bad vs crushers and bulwarks) in terms of ranged killing of all armor types, and only dueling sword or ps have good anti armor capabillities but they both have severe weaknesses, horde clear and mobillity respectively

[tropic notch]

This is silly

A silly and a danger

https://tenor.com/view/silly-and-danger-silly-danger-this-is-a-silly-gif-967595808447409988

Only true ranged class is psyker

[valid steeple]

what are the best stats/blessings for the plasma gun?

[tropic notch]

@tired egret

Rising heat gets hot

With manic and elites I believe

[valid steeple]

why that ratio? does it have some bp significance?

also how should one get those exact stats?

[tropic notch]

Uhhh I believe you’re able to have 8 shots and decent charge

[sharp epoch]

FLAK AND UNARMORED

[tropic notch]

You gotta go to Brunt’s armory and gamble

[sharp epoch]

well its either one shot flamers or dregs

flak and maniac or flake and unarmored

[tall torrent]

No

[tall torrent]

Nah, just flak + unarmored

Maniac takes extra investment to be worth

[valid steeple]

I thought the plasma gun was anti-tank

[sharp epoch]

on havoc I think unarmored better, but regular games sometimes you dont even get the dreg seed

[hollow ibex]

#veteran-class message

[tropic notch]

My bad was going off this

[sharp epoch]

you were fooled its actually anti ranged elites and specials

[tropic notch]

Thought with uh superiority complex it would reach a bp

[sharp epoch]

if you want AT its bolter or ogryn

[tropic notch]

Oops

So unarmored and elites?

[sharp epoch]

oh no still flak and unarmored

[tropic notch]

I see ty

[sharp epoch]

on non havoc flak and maniac is fine itll let you one tap flamers

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent I haven’t eaten anything all day I’m gonna have to grab a bite before I’m on

[tall torrent]

Ok

[cunning panther]

How good is the marksman ability modifier? Using a shock trooper build on a recon laser and I'm considering dropping it to make room for points elswhere. I'm not seeing super noticeable damage increases from it on or off when volley firing but not sure if I'm just missing something

[tall torrent]

The 20% strength on weakspot hit?

It’s the hardest hitting red node for veteran

[cunning panther]

You got it

[tall torrent]

But if u don’t like the idea of red nodes

U can spec into other things

[cunning panther]

True enough

[tall torrent]

If you’re using infernus recon

[cunning panther]

Figured I have a lotta dps already, and it's the most droppable thing to pick up some survivability

Ye

[tall torrent]

Marksman’s strength increase does not apply to DoT

Because DoT cannot weakspot hit

[cunning panther]

Fair enough

And good to know

[tall torrent]

It has to be melee/ranged attack weakspot hit to benefit

[cunning panther]

Thank you!

This is good information

[cunning panther]

Appreciate the assist!

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent also did you see my steam comments on my page?

It’s pretty funny

[tall torrent]

No

[tropic notch]

You should check them out

[tall torrent]

nah I'm good

[tropic notch]

I understand

[tall torrent]

when

[tropic notch]

Now I’m getting hibachi

4 to 4 shifts be brutal sometimes

I’ll ping when I’m finished

Which shouldn’t be long

[tall torrent]

ok

[valid steeple]

if you are planning to use the plasma gun for spamming shots, does charge rate matter?

also whats the number of shots from the min of 60% and the max of 80% thermal resistance?

[orchid hemlock]

Charge rate also applies to the left click

[valid steeple]

noted!

ty

[tall torrent]

below the 68~69% thermal resistance breakpoint, 7 hipfire shots
above, 8

[tall torrent]

yes because it affects pre-fire charging delay for both firing modes

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent im on

[tall torrent]

ok

add me then

[tropic notch]

what strike team we going to?

[tall torrent]

idrc

can dm vc too

did u add me

[tropic notch]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1162146228839133223

[tropic notch]

yup

[tall torrent]

in the game

[sharp epoch]

I was running the meta havoc build for vet, but it seems like a its geared a lot towards weakspot hits and in practice you lose out a lot if you cant hit them consistently

I ended up just swapping back to my regular build and I get better results

[slate vigil]

@#veteran-class What is the best meta blesssings for plama gun 40 havoc?

[sharp epoch]

Get's hot and Risng Heat

[valid steeple]

What are the most viable melee options for vet currently? I know there is a meta for dueling swords rn, but I feel like it loses vs swarms

[slate vigil]

the subpar three or 4?

[tall torrent]

power sword VI

[valid steeple]

ok, I assume 60% mobility, what should I go for perk/blessing wise for the power sword? and what are the differences between the marks?

[hollow ibex]

Cleave targets is dump

[valid steeple]

!?!? I thought that was its main thing?

[hollow ibex]

I run maniac elite on mine but there are other options

[hollow ibex]

Hardly changes anything

[frank basin]

Did path changed his mind favor not dump mobility on power sword?

[hollow ibex]

Blessings is power cycler and brumentum or sunder

[hollow ibex]

Idk but I think even the old guide says cleave targets

[frank basin]

Path guide?

Or someone else guide?

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[tropic notch]

pray for @tall torrent his pc the sprit is restless

[tall torrent]

genuinely so annoying

[frank basin]

I lost impression to path he see me I’m a bad player

[tall torrent]

it's only this game that crashes on this pc

[frank basin]

That only one time

[tall torrent]

https://support.fatshark.se/hc/en-us/articles/7709661288733--PC-How-to-Resolve-Crashes-in-Darktide

I've done everything in accordance to this

[slate vigil]

Mk5 Combat axe Power swoard, Devils claw can work but not 40 havoc. Knife is good too if you run weapon specialists or just headshot crit

[frank basin]

rashad combat axe?

[slate vigil]

combat

[frank basin]

It is rashad

[tall torrent]

no, u just refuse to improve, which is worse to me tbh

[slate vigil]

its antax for me

antax*

[frank basin]

I don’t wanna go with someone stuff because I were considering meta

I just stubborn follow guide

And only give guide to someone else

[valid steeple]

is there a good goto, meta specialist build?

[tall torrent]

u don't even follow good guides lol

[frank basin]

I follow my way path

My own domain

[tall torrent]

yea, maybe don't pretend u know when u don't

[valid steeple]

What guides should I follow?

[tall torrent]

what parts do u need

[frank basin]

I rather go test stuff than eating nerd data

Am sorry

[tall torrent]

and u don't even test properly

[frank basin]

I do test in psykhanium by myself most time

[tall torrent]

u keep trying to put words in my mouth

[frank basin]

Just swap weapon perk blessing left and right

I did read your guide once just reconsidering

But I don’t want put on my loadout

Even I run Taxe you hate me put +2 Stam on it

[valid steeple]

For now, what weapons I should invest in for havok 40 (endgame?) how to build them, and what stats to keep an eye out for

[frank basin]

That one time playing as psyker in gas pox downed twice was a dumbluck for me

[tall torrent]

power sword VI
plasma gun / recon lasgun

duelling sword IV is also very strong but overall not as good as power sword VI

veteran has very few options to be strong compared to other classes

[hollow ibex]

Maybe it’s the ass nvidia drivers situation

[tall torrent]

I've clean installed driver like 8 times by now

[hollow ibex]

Maybe try December drivers

[frank basin]

Yeah my favorite one

[hollow ibex]

You have to go pretty far back

December drivers are stable for me

[tall torrent]

that's what I was using

and it crashed

[frank basin]

No mod?

[hollow ibex]

Oh

[tall torrent]

GUID: fd7d4038-59bd-4943-ba12-7c3f8f9fcb4f
Log File:
Info Type:

[Engine Error]: Access violation (0xc0000005) in build 6a597690b3a9efdf28fa5aeb55209626a2c3ba07
accessing address 00000278851C5EA8 from 00007FF7EFA7CA41

just now

[frank basin]

I heard once some say scoreboard does fucking around crashes

PowerID something

[tall torrent]

I don't use powerDI

[hollow ibex]

What mods are you running? You said it was stable without mods right?

[tall torrent]

when I was running it without mods, it crashed DX12

[frank basin]

Ouch

[tall torrent]

which apparently is supposed to be a once-in-a-lifetime crash

[valid steeple]

ok, much smaller list than I expected! suppose that makes it easier avoiding overthinking. Mobility dump stat for recon lazgun?

[frank basin]

Collateral

[tall torrent]

Collateral

[frank basin]

Collateral doesn’t do much staggering

[valid steeple]

Noted! ty

[hollow ibex]

Cursed…

[valid steeple]

what perks/blessings?

for the laz recon

[frank basin]

Depend on marks

[valid steeple]

what are the ideal marks for vet?

[frank basin]

You could ask Path

He’s the guide maker

I have my own recon but you don’t want use mine since he doesn’t like what I have

[valid steeple]

oh so path is a person! I thought you guys meant build path my b

[frank basin]

The cat pfp

[sharp epoch]

infernus + dumdum is the typical blessings

flak maniac as always pretty sure for secondary ones

[frank basin]

If run mk12

[sharp epoch]

I run it on every mark even the slowest one

[frank basin]

10% crits per shot eeeh niche

Gimmick anyway

[sharp epoch]

not with deadshot

[frank basin]

Now you talking

[sharp epoch]

I do a marksman focus build with my recon

[frank basin]

i did that for meme

i max out my stam curios slot

and go mk12

more dakka

haven't use it

it' been while for me not playing darktide; burntout

[sharp epoch]

It's not really a meme it can clear auric males, it's just in havoc there's bosses + a ton of armor and ammo nerf, a whole lot of nerfs to that build

[frank basin]

then what do you consider?

one guy said it's meme

and the other guy said mmf recon suck

[sharp epoch]

decent build I got a ss of the results

[frank basin]

you have scoreboard?

[sharp epoch]

ofc

[sharp epoch]

not sure exactly what auric mal it was but it still does the job of vet well which makes it not exactly a meme build

[frank basin]

I don't use scoreboard anyway

I can't choose who to go with

they said its meme you said is not

i want go my own way but ill get callout for it

[sharp epoch]

On havoc it is cause ammo nerf, but anything below that it's perfectly fine

[uncut pebble]

Path is @tall torrent

Very smart.

[sharp epoch]

I think the meme part is the 9 stamina curios

but I just run 1 stam 1 tougness 1 health on all my builds

[frank basin]

if you run mk12 you lose your stamina very fast

veteran stamina isn't that good at regaining

[calm shard]

Is Trickshooter any good on the Revolver?

[valid steeple]

I saw some clip of a person using the upgraded shred nade and by procing the rending on headshot blessing, increased the bleed damage from the nade? Can someone explain how this works?

[unreal nova]

Uncanny allowed it to pierce armor.

[calm shard]

Your DoTs inherit your damage boosts

And that includes armor penetration boosts like Rending

[heavy rover]

shredders also inherit lethal proximity from bolt pistol. it's hilarious

[calm shard]

Certain damage blessings like Slaughterer also apply

[heavy rover]

add to that grenade tinkerer, its just chef's kiss

[valid steeple]

ok... does it actually increase the duration or something akin to that when this stuff happens? It feels like the bleed is a small ammount of damage overall and I am still a bit confused how it can take out tough enemies without BOOSTING the damage by a significant degree (or at least refreshing the debuff? idk)

[sharp epoch]

o nvm

[calm shard]

bleed does a lot of damage

[sharp epoch]

rending increases the damage vs armor types

[calm shard]

shredders apply 6 stacks instantly, and more bleed stacks makes every tick do more damage

2 shredders is enough to kill basically any combination of enemies in the game without damage boosts

[sharp epoch]

uhhhh maybe if it takes the grenade explosion but not from full bleed stacks

[heavy rover]

wait to clarify, does DoT like infernus stacks and bleed expire over time, or do they keep on going until the enemy dies?

[calm shard]

they expire over tme

[heavy rover]

ah