veteran-class

[red robin]

play havoc?

[tall torrent]

damnation quick play, remember loot spawns

or grind havoc every week

[red robin]

thanks educational chum

the world needs more informative heroes like you

[tall torrent]

it won't be released for at least another 3 months, potentialy 5

it's missing:

5 intro sections
21 melee weapon sections (huge)
entire curio sections
entire enemy breakdown sections (huge)
entire example build sections (huge)

penance and havoc sections are not within scope rn, may add them post-publishing

[lilac stump]

You're sitting on so much knowledge!

[tall torrent]

unlike Fatshark, I don't plan to release unfinish products at launch

[loud belfry]

[lilac stump]

Boxing Match Start And @tall torrent starts out swinging!

[lean vine]

You sir, are a true G!

[hollow ibex]

start selling early access via patreon

[tall torrent]

can't rly cuz everyone who has access rn are contributors (editorial access)

[austere pine]

YOU CAN DO THAT TWICE???

[surreal thicket]

did they nerf the recon laz gun?

[tall torrent]

do what twice

[austere pine]

the reload thing

where you sprint to cancel a part of the anim

i always only did it once at the end

[tall torrent]

noe

[tame lodge]

Buffed a while ago actually

So it went on a rollercoaster

[tall torrent]

I only gave contributor to kuli, gale and ainz
kuli cuz he's based
gale cuz he wants to do penance section in it
ainz cuz he's working on other guides and can pull info from here

[lilac stump]

let's hope we get a rework of the veteran tree that gives us more liberty on how to make VIABLE and VARIED builds soon (tm)

[tall torrent]

yea maybe 2027

[lilac stump]

really you odn't see that happening before?

[tame lodge]

Zealot needs one

With more prio than vet rn

[dry cloak]

vet is servicable

zealot is not

[tall torrent]

next talent tree rework is zealot

[lilac stump]

Is it that bad ? I didn't noticed... I didn't play it to much either so I wouldn't know really

[stuck gorge]

There is only one and a half builds worth taking on zealot

[hollow ibex]

is gale doing the headhunter secvtion

[austere pine]

where's yuri ;-;

[tame lodge]

Allow me to present you
The Build™

[unreal nova]

Naw. 68 thermal and 72 charge rate works.

[lilac stump]

Wow! THEY GET ALL THREE KEYSTONE VIABLE!

[unreal nova]

Wait, how old is that and where was my Discord sitting on?

[austere pine]

can also go down for the middle aura in havoc

[tame lodge]

In havoc

[stuck gorge]

Not necessary anymore

the goop modifier is gone

[tall torrent]

it was done like 3 months ago

[austere pine]

did they lower the corruption?

WAIT

I LOVED IT THOUGH

[tame lodge]

Which is just worse VoC

Dps drops to 0

There's a tax node under it

The nodes to the side aren't useful

[austere pine]

wait who the hell doesn't do double active

[lilac stump]

I would love to see one for the vet like the zealot. where you get the different path. Like there are mandatory picks in the vet build that are pretty hard to get tbh

[tame lodge]

Maybe they want extra points

For some reason

[austere pine]

surely there's something wrong with your build if that is something you need to remove from your build to get something else

like loner into fury

[calm shard]

every ogyrn build is like this

I'm crying as I choose good skills knowing I do not have the necessary 60 skill points to get everything I want

[austere pine]

i don't know ogryn enough to have this knowledge

even with a screenshot of the tree i'd have no idea

[dry cloak]

and making your own oggy build does not make it inherently bad right now. because all nodes are good

every choice is the right one

[tame lodge]

I got a bit confused about where Hard Knocks went but then I found it

https://tenor.com/view/steam-happy-steam-happy-gif-4531022007608143773

[dry cloak]

sure. if you can make use of this

[tame lodge]

Also first ever no keystone tree

On Oggy

[dry cloak]

i see what you did there

[stuck gorge]

Literally the one ogryn I played with that didn’t have any toughness regen

[unreal nova]

Naw. I had one for ages.

[dry cloak]

[unreal nova]

Like for mortis.

[austere pine]

karien is known for having terrible builds

[unreal nova]

I need to get on to copy pasta it.

[lilac stump]

btw my Vrack5/Rashad Build, unfortunatly due to not having any ammo replenishement I'm pretty sure it's not viable in Havoc 😦

[austere pine]

i wouldn't be surprised if they carried around a tree where they didn't even get an upgraded ability

[dry cloak]

vraks mk5 aint viable imo

[stuck gorge]

I wonder if it’s possibly to spend all points to not even get an aura

[austere pine]

i don't think the headhunters are viable in havoc

[lilac stump]

even if you have ammo replenishement ?

[dry cloak]

YES

[austere pine]

in general

[dry cloak]

yes. it just eats too much ammo to kill the things you need to kill

iirc

[austere pine]

it's possible but if i see you in my strike team with that shit, you're now missing a spot

[red robin]

damnnn

[red robin]

was looking at vraks page on games lantern

[calm shard]

still stronger than taking loner

[red robin]

apparently there's blessings in the code

that bug out looking juicy

[austere pine]

could still take loner with that first middle path

to make it the absolute worst build

i think i saw it once, actually

[wind warren]

They want me to fight the poxwalker?

chains breaking

Daemonhost!

[tame lodge]

Fun fact
We knew about some of the new blessings on the code because of games Lantern

[calm shard]

absolute worst would need to go deeper into the skill tree for some other shit nodes

[tame lodge]

I remember Opportunist very well

[red robin]

yippee

[calm shard]

doing it all above the auras means you get some good nodes inevitably

[tame lodge]

Also if you check Circumstances on Games Lantern

[red robin]

praying for new blessings or game balance next big update

[tame lodge]

It'll have some extra modifiers that we haven't seen

[red robin]

i love build diversity

[austere pine]

can anyone come up with the absolute worst zealot build?

[stuck gorge]

beat havoc 40 with it fr

[lilac stump]

That's the problem with any non laser weapon, like if you want range you have to go laser, there's no choice. I hope they correct that and shock trooper starts applying to other weapons, or survivalist gives more ammo at least to the veteran. But I was told it would break the game :/

[tame lodge]

No Duelist
No CDR
No second wind

[austere pine]

dude the one havoc 40 i did i got carried through like a sack of potatoes

[tame lodge]

Fragging Voice of Terra

[dry cloak]

plasma.bolter,boltpistol

[tame lodge]

The stuff leading to loner are pretty good though

[lilac stump]

Easy fix: Make it to only apply to small arms 🙂

[austere pine]

veteran is a class with the best options for a gun only class

[austere pine]

is revolver a small arm?

what about vigilants?

bolt pistol isn't big

[lilac stump]

and then you're limited to three of them when you actually want to play range....

[lilac stump]

Use specialty ammo, not a small arm.

[stuck gorge]

they could always make shock trooper the ER of vet class, crits don’t use ammo but less crit chance

[calm shard]

small arms would be anything except for the bolter and plasma gun

[dry cloak]

what i stated is literally the meta for havoc for vet

plasma being the strongest contender

[austere pine]

range isn't really a thing you can viably do imo, and that's a good thing

i don't want the 2fort sniper equivalent in darktide

frankly

[calm shard]

then why do they make these cool guns

just to tell me I can't use them

[austere pine]

quickscope

[lilac stump]

Why?

[dry cloak]

you can. at least in aurics and lower

[austere pine]

eh. you can still get hella swarmed

[fluid orbit]

why is the shotgun not as good as it should be?

[stuck gorge]

sniper dueling yippie!

[unreal nova]

Enjoy. XD

[austere pine]

and if your team is good, you don't get to do much

[dry cloak]

thats on you if you allow that

[tame lodge]

How am I supposed to?

[austere pine]

can also just get unlucky with specialist spawns and never have them spawn in places you can snipe them from

i've tried many times

[tame lodge]

😭

[calm shard]

hasn't been buffed in a long time, but new enemies have been added, and enemy density is much higher

[dry cloak]

not hard enough

[tame lodge]

I mean
Your build is usable and all

[tall torrent]

yea, none of that is needed

[austere pine]

short-ish sightlines, terrible sights, many dudes blocking your vision

[dry cloak]

i bring vigil autos to aurics regularly and do well with them

kill crushers even

[austere pine]

it's possible, definitely

[calm shard]

I think it'd be really funny to have shock trooper apply to the Vraks iag though

[austere pine]

but not when there's another vet with a plasma or a zealot with a bolter

or ogryn who thinks shooting is a good idea for most engagements

[lilac stump]

Terrible sight if you don't use any mod. there's an easy to use mod taht let's you modify your gun.

[calm shard]

Imagine if that fucking kills everything 4K+ dps to every single health type death beam had infinite ammo too

[austere pine]

see and that's where our opinions differ greatly

[tame lodge]

Pair that with Onslaught

[unreal nova]

Usable?

[dry cloak]

good shocktrooper only applies to lasguns

[austere pine]

can't put sniping into a game where snipers don't exist

[calm shard]

It is probably for the best yeah

[dry cloak]

revolver

single fire vigil auto

[fluid orbit]

helbore

[tame lodge]

It has the tg on heavies and I honestly don't remember what most of the new nodes are
Kek

[dry cloak]

helbore

[austere pine]

we have rifles and such, but snipers are a good bit different

[fluid orbit]

the right click on bolter

[lilac stump]

Warpannoyance

[unreal nova]

Is just beeg boom and some bonks.

[dry cloak]

if anything helobre could really get a 2x scope

[austere pine]

could still do a worse one

[fluid orbit]

at the very least, helbore should get a sight like the regular las

[tame lodge]

With the recent bug we found on hotshot
Helbore is more like the snipers long las with the big cleave

[austere pine]

the reload speed talent is pretty good. you should go for the right side of the path that leads to cleanse aura

[dry cloak]

it wont happen because SKINS

[calm shard]

hotshot has another bug?

[tame lodge]

Tier 1 hotshot is 80% mass reduction

[lilac stump]

You should see me play with the Vrack5, just high speed but shooting stuff instead of meleeing them. I know that I shouldn't mow into horde, but it's just satisfying 😄

[tame lodge]

Tier 4 is 50% mass reduction

[dry cloak]

if helobre got the normal sight it would already be more popular

[tame lodge]

So t1 hotshot>>>> t4 hotshot

[calm shard]

what is wrong with that talent

[dry cloak]

so t1 hotshot is better than t4?

[austere pine]

what about t2 and t3? reversed scaling or just a fucked t1?

[tame lodge]

Yes

[calm shard]

first it was applying to all melee attacks giving every weapon extra cleave

and now it has a bugged T1 with almost double the value of T4

[dry cloak]

blessing

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-crunchy-cat-glasses-cat-luna-glasses-cat-gif-12732289841207803174

[tame lodge]

FS inverted the tables on accident it seems

[tame lodge]

If you hit weakspots you can kill 15 groaners at once

[austere pine]

fellas why do i have brutal momentum on my power sword

[tame lodge]

Helbore Horde Clear

[tame lodge]

Reversed scaling

[sharp epoch]

for kill people brutally

[calm shard]

okay but even with that is it like good

[austere pine]

i could also sunder them, yknow

[calm shard]

I don't imagine 15 heretics are just lining up to be shot all the time

[lilac stump]

So bayonnet ?

[sharp epoch]

sunder is worse cause it drops damage anyways, its really just a stagger machine

[tame lodge]

No poor cleave damage distribution

Just shoot

Weakspots with Hotshot 1

Potential to kill 15 groaners at once

[lilac stump]

I mean the bayonnet is surprisingly good in dealing with ragers 😄

[tame lodge]

Yeah but not at killing the second target on the same swing

[fluid orbit]

stab attacks tend to be really good in this game

when hitting one target

[calm shard]

unless it's on the heavy sword or devils claw for some reasn

or a chainsword

[austere pine]

why is chainsword shafted so much

[fluid orbit]

it makes sense on the chainsword, somewhat

[austere pine]

yeah but chain axe has good stabs

[fluid orbit]

-# why can you stab with an axe that doesn't even have a pointy end on top?

[austere pine]

au contraire

[lilac stump]

because it does... the chainsaw tooth are pointy 😄

[fluid orbit]

nevermind, it does have a spike

[austere pine]

realistically i'd hate to get stabbed with a chain sword even more

because the teeth emerge at the tip and i presume that would suck a lot worse than just two prongs which appear to be dull

well, dull when it comes to armor standards

[red robin]

have you been demo'ing it?

I wonder how it does on tac axe

brutal momentum seems like monsterous cleave with it

because it erases 3 hit mass

also any tips for devils claw parry

I feel like im unlearning to use dodge for survival to fish for risk reward parries

[fluid orbit]

don't try to parry two crushers at once, it only works on one of the swings

[earnest canopy]

Trying the gaurd out. Ammo....... Gaunt would of fed me to nurgle.

[tame lodge]

Tac axes heavy are capped at 3 targets
And lights have poor cleave damage distribution
You'd just have better group stagger

Probably

[red robin]

zamn

psychotic limitations

is there a reference guide to see the weapons and their max cleave numbers?

or is that just unique to the axes?

[lilac stump]

realistically i'd hate to get stabbed ~~ with a chain sword even more ~~

[fluid orbit]

i'd hate getting eaten by either the beast or abomination

the TTK would be too long

[tame lodge]

I think the pinned guide has the cleave (clv) value

Don't know if it has the capped information

[austere pine]

need to double those up

[tame lodge]

Because ATP it's just 3 families with cap

[tame lodge]

Chainaxes at 4
Eviscerators at 4
Tac axes at 3

[red robin]

I really want to know if hit mass reduction goes over a 100% and what does that for cleave

[austere pine]

i get evis and i sorta get chain axes

but tacs?

what did tacs do to deserve that

[red robin]

Perfect strike is 75% hit mass reduction on critical hits and hotshot tier 1 is 80%

[grand perch]

we didnt choose the thug life

[red robin]

I wonder if they stack

and if it does go over 100% does that make first target damage apply to the next target?

like does tac axe have that mechanic with brutal momentum?

[tame lodge]

You know the funniest part
Taxes have 1.5 to 3 cleave

They would not hit a 4th target by default

[hollow ibex]

Nah they don’t deserve it either

[tame lodge]

Groaners have the lowest mass at 1

[hollow ibex]

Unless brumentum ig?

[tame lodge]

BM and the cap don't interact with each other so yeah I guess you'd hit a 4th target

Except Taxes are the worst BM users

[hollow ibex]

I don’t run brumentum yeah

Though I only use mk4

[tame lodge]

Good weapons have BM
Bad weapons have BM
Isn't that funny

[gaunt hare]

crazy how On Overwatch was the bane of my existance and then I get everything required to get For the Emperor (3) on veteran in one day

[red robin]

i think ur damage taken has to be at 0

i got it randomly on an infiltrate build

but gold toughness will do ya well

just be mindful of specials that'll eat your toughness

like flamers and grenadiers

and mutants if they decided to pummel you into shit

[slow spade]

Clearly BM needs a buff because it doesn't make enough of an impact UwU

[fervent quest]

I got On Overwatch completely on accident and I definitely took toughness damage in the mission

[gaunt hare]

i took damage from ranged enemies when I got it and also I think from a barrel

[stuck gorge]

It only counts melee health dmg

[gaunt hare]

yeah it’s only health damage from melee sources and daemonhost corruption (for some reason) count

[undone sigil]

Any penance I actively try to do seems to slip through my fingers, yet when I turn my brain off it happens

Though make every shot count is a struggle, I'm convinced my accuracy is decent enough for it. But I don't know how accuracy is counted

[undone sigil]

Really? I read somewhere that shotguns count accuracy by individual pellets so I overlooked them

Thanks for the info, I should be able to get it done on a quick heresy so I don't throw an actually important run

[sharp epoch]

Just like do it in a regular game and don't miss at all and use all the ammo up 😤

with recon lasgun

[lilac stump]

Or you can just play the hellbore and miss all your shots, without survivalist, and you'll still have ammo left at the end 🙂

[hollow trail]

could you theoretically take the gun with the least ammo, spend it all on random mobs, then melee for the rest of the run

would that work

[tall torrent]

That’s kind of how the penance is meant to be played yea

[narrow frost]

Are you going to note how bots and survivalist give ammo?

[tall torrent]

Forgot about that
Gale is doing penance section

I’ve been updating intro and blessings

[narrow frost]

I'll check penance page

[tall torrent]

He only has 2 rn

[narrow frost]

I know a few good long bomb locations

[unreal forge]

I've heard that, as long as you're out of ammo and switch to your melee, any ammo you regain (such as through Survivalist) won't count for as long as you don't switch back to your gun

[fervent quest]

Use double barrel shotgun that's how I got it.

As long as each shot is a hitmarker it counts

Long Bomb I got on Mortis Trials. Stand near the Mortis Relic and just yeet frags. I got mine on the "rooftops" looking map, got all the ways into the corner where the Mortis Relic spawns at the end and just flung it as far as possible

[undone sigil]

I think deadshot is my only active penance to do, the rest are just grinding numbers

But thanks, I'll just crank it out with DBz tomorrow

[acoustic hedge]

Is it just me or does marksmans focus seem like a terrible keystone

[hollow ibex]

Not just you

It’s incredibly niche

[undone sigil]

I thought it just gives you a nice buff for just shooting

As you get the grace period for moving about between shots

[tame lodge]

Do you understand it as
Can't move
Or
Hit heads

?

[acoustic hedge]

It punishes you for moving, which you have to do to survive

[tame lodge]

It's about hitting heads

You get 3 to 6 seconds of movement

That being said it's a niche keystone

[hollow ibex]

It just feels like ass to play in practice

[tame lodge]

Doesn't synergize with a good chunk of weapons

[hollow ibex]

In addition to providing dubious benefits on most builds

[acoustic hedge]

Would it be good for the stub revolver?

[sharp epoch]

Penalizing movement on a horde shooter is just bad game design

[hollow ibex]

It’s better on fast firing guns

[acoustic hedge]

I'm thinking about making a grenadier and taking that for funsies

[hollow ibex]

Revolvers better off with WS

Or even focus target

[acoustic hedge]

Ok so recon lasgun

[tame lodge]

Technically yes
But WS is just better

[tame lodge]

Low finesse
Won't get much out of it

[undone sigil]

Don't know how it stands but I quite like the semi vigilant autogun

Seems to be the right pace of shooting for the keystone

[hollow ibex]

That will work ok for MMF

[undone sigil]

I do wish it didn't zoom in as much, but atleast the hipfiring in DT is fairly reliable

[tame lodge]

Mk9 doesn't have the zoom

But it's the mk9

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[acoustic hedge]

Which grenades are better for general spamming, frag or krak

[hollow ibex]

Frag by far

[undone sigil]

Yeah can't say I've had a great time with the burst fire rifles at all. Fire three and sometimes think I hit one

Hope they fix them though, as burst is how I typically like to fire guns

[hollow ibex]

I’ve had perfectly aimed shots on the single shot one just disappear into the warp

[undone sigil]

It can certainly be peculiar

But it's nice to have a breather from the other weapons now and again

[tame lodge]

Hit reg moment

We love it

~~no we don't ~~

[lilac stump]

is it me or the crusher is bugged. as in you have to dodge 2-3 times when he does the overhead or he does hit you.

[hollow ibex]

Time it right, and dodge once

[lilac stump]

Really, like I've had his overhead land in front of me (not on me) and he still hit me somehow

[hollow ibex]

Might be desync with servers

[lilac stump]

Nah it's to consistent to be desync. Should really record it, it happens quite a lot actually

[hollow ibex]

Weird

[lilac stump]

For me it's like his mace hitbox ends easily 1m further than his actual mace model.

[hollow ibex]

I haven’t had it happen to me

[hollow ibex]

Oh idk. I always dodge right or left

[lilac stump]

Might be the solution.

[red robin]

man, how would they even iron this out on a game system end?

or is it just server

[tall torrent]

no, just dodge once when he swings down

dodging back is less safe than dodging left/right against overhead attacks

[red robin]

dodge slide if you really need the distance if you got an immobile weapon

situationally might be worse dodge sliding as that eats 2 dodge count

[tall torrent]

dodge slide not required usually

[lilac stump]

Just bad habit to dodge back. I'm still pretty sure the Crusher's Mace hitbox extend further than the model.

[tall torrent]

yes

dodges in this game don't have i-frames like in souls games

u need to actually be not within the attacks' hitbox to not get hit

[lilac stump]

Unfortunate, I quite like i-frames tbh 😄

[loud belfry]

one time a trapper net went through my camera and didn't touch me

[crimson osprey]

hi, im kinda new to veteran and im reading some guides, whats better on the power sword cycler/slaughter or cycler/brutal momentum

[tall torrent]

carapace
elite
power cycler
brutal momentum

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278540580976328790/1359595536558068023/Desktop_2025.04.09_-_14.26.48.01.mp4?ex=68029983&is=68014803&hm=8554bc72fe67d1178f4fac69c7848cf7cdd9778c508f9cc3e0c25b994c10e5ed&

just follow this

this is as comprehensive as it gets for power sword VI

[crimson osprey]

ok thank you

is it dfferent for havoc?

[tame lodge]

Not really

Sunder is like third option

[tall torrent]

sunder is good, but doesn't scale as good as BM in current Havoc design

Havoc wants players to confirm as many kills as quickly as possible rn

and BM power sword is by far the strongest melee for that purpose on veteran

[white minnow]

it's basically functionally similar to i-frames as long as you aren't too close to the enemy

in the sense that timing is pretty important, and attacks that look like they should've hit you can be avoided

[hidden tree]

best shovel blessings and perks for hav 40?

[tall torrent]

uncanny + AoN
with boltpistol grenadier build

it's not "good" in a traditional sense

[hidden tree]

so it sucks? no matter the shovel?

[tall torrent]

sapper shovel in general is mid at best

[undone sigil]

Poop shovel gonna be poop

Though don't tell that to a krieger or they'll pop a vessel

[orchid hemlock]

@visual tiger

[formal ice]

Don't let the Kriegman hear that

[tame lodge]

Why All or Nothing

[formal ice]

[tame lodge]

PA spam?

[tall torrent]

it's bugged and doesn't scale 8%Mstr per stack

instead it scales 10%Tstr per stack

[orchid hemlock]

Bugtide

[tame lodge]

Damn
Everything so buggy

What is FS cooking

[tame lodge]

Hold on
What T stands for?

[tame lodge]

Total?

[tall torrent]

yea

[tame lodge]

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/yujiro-hanma-baki-cooking-esquizofrenia-gif-10183314646088788512

[hidden tree]

[tall torrent]

it could be really good if it had at least 80% more stagger with heavy attacks, did 200% of unyielding damage, with higher finesse modifiers

[tame lodge]

[hidden tree]

yea, whats the dump stat for heavy sword and what perks and blessings?

[tall torrent]

defences dump
maniac
flak
deathblow
headtaker

[orchid hemlock]

READ THE PINS 😈😈😈😈😈

[tall torrent]

it's a niche but good pick for veteran

I think it shines best with exe boltgun

[hidden tree]

but hes right here

[tall torrent]

however, I'm leaning towards tac axe for exe boltgun

[orchid hemlock]

U know how many times Path helps people in this server? 😭

[tall torrent]

far better safety

[hidden tree]

well clearly he enjoys it

or hed stop

[tall torrent]

every time I help someone I add 1 day delay to publishing guide

[hidden tree]

dude has helped me more than anyone else

[orchid hemlock]

Truly a saint of our time

[tall torrent]

[tall torrent]

I will after guide is published

[hidden tree]

works for me

[hidden tree]

ik it sucks, but which shovel I,VII, or III

[tall torrent]

I or VII

[faint beacon]

VII is like barely passable ngl

I seriously think they need to do tweaking on switched mode

[viral laurel]

what were meta blessing on plasma gun again?

rising heat + ?

[hidden tree]

so why exactly is the achlys better than scandar

[hollow ibex]

Power sword?

[hidden tree]

ye

[hollow ibex]

#veteran-class message

[uncut pebble]

Attack direction and scandar can't obliterate a crusher in one combo.

[hollow ibex]

And mk3 relies on much slower heavies for horde clear

[uncut pebble]

Achlys does PA > light to a crushers head and it dies.

[hollow ibex]

Charge takes fucking forever

[uncut pebble]

Also you can't block cancel scandar.

[hollow ibex]

Mk6 is just superior in every way

[hidden tree]

i just hate the way it looks tbh

[uncut pebble]

Honestly it's a travesty, scandar needs some love.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah there shouldn’t be such an egregious power difference between two marks

[tall torrent]

lower sprint cost
much higher single target dmg (vs Carapace & Unyielding)
more versatile horde combo (uses light atks instead of heavy atks)
special action can be block cancelled (faster activation)

[uncut pebble]

I would honestly change achlys to have vertical lights and leave the heavies hotizontal, then change scandar to have sweeping lights and vertical heavies.

[hollow ibex]

Oh right lower sprint cost too

Nah mk 6 is fine. Mk3 just needs buffs

[tall torrent]

nah

if anything it should be reverse

give VI overhead heavy atks

III overhead light atks

[hollow ibex]

I feel like both of them should have horde clear lights

[regal belfry]

which meele weapons beside ds or ps can you recommend

[uncut pebble]

Then change the push attacks around.

If mk3 is gonna be vertical lights sweeping heavies, then give it the poke pa instead.

[hollow ibex]

Rashad, taxes, hsword, knife

[tall torrent]

I think they just need the same dmg between the push atks tbh

III's push atk currently uses VI's L4 profile

[uncut pebble]

I think they need to nerf brutal momentum more.

🤔

[tall torrent]

sure

nerf it to 2 procs instead of 3

for combat axe and tac axe

and 1 proc for power sword

keep deathblow the same at 3 procs for heavy sword

[tall torrent]

but also buff their cleave

[uncut pebble]

I think bm just needs to be completely axed in its approach to ignoring hitmass.

I'd much rather they just make the cleave of weapons that rely on it better.

[hidden tree]

so is bm better than slaughterer on powersword achlys?

[uncut pebble]

BIS on psword is power cycler bm.

3 swings of hitmass ignoring death and you can do the 1 combo crusher kill.

Anywho, weapons that rely on bm for functionality should just have a massive cleave tweak across the board.

Bm could just be reworked to improve cleave damage distribution.

Instead of being 1st target on every guy until you hit max procs, just make it like a 20% improvement to damage distribution or something.

[tall torrent]

been like that for over a year

[tall torrent]

nah not required

it's a very interesting blessing

it just shouldn't be oppressively strong

[uncut pebble]

I mean, my suggestion would definitely fix it.

Would bring other blessings to the fore of being potential meta options without completely gimping the blessing itself.

[hollow ibex]

I like being oppressed by mommy BM

[uncut pebble]

I think we should kill you with unpowered ironhelm lights.

[junior grail]

How about Shock Maul special only

[tall torrent]

doesn't need to be axed, just make it work less times for specific weapons
and buff axes' cleave

[uncut pebble]

See, I would suggest that, but that lacks the underlying message of "we should kill this guy with hammers."

Shock maul special is laughably bad, damage wise, but it isn't a proper hammer.

[tall torrent]

there's smth very funny u can do with power sword VI rn

[final locust]

Any new weapons worth noting?

or new gear

[mortal horizon]

havoc 30+
i use both recon las and plasma i go back and forth.
what nodes should i be taking in these spots?

[tame lodge]

Either left or right one

[tall torrent]

BiD
target down

for havoc

[mortal horizon]

like so? cool

i havent been using focus target builds just swapped to it i was running WS and keystoneless

what about these 2 points (for recon las specifically) the crit node and opening salvo

worth grabbing or shouldd i grab other things?

[tall torrent]

what melee

I think getting desperado is worth it

even though DS4 requires no melee spec

reciprocity + desperado is just very good

[mortal horizon]

oh this is for ds4

thats why no stam

true

i would need 3 points tho

[tall torrent]

last 1 point into whatever u like

[mortal horizon]

for recon since its quick, and since im not specced into melee i found the middle tree up top felt safer

but for plasma builds i run the right nodes with weapon swap speed

[tall torrent]

oh yea right

forgot

[mortal horizon]

but this seems good

[mortal horizon]

i just hate losing superiority complex and marksman

i guess theres a few options there

[tall torrent]

it's not a tremendous loss

[viral nacelle]

Recon las with psword? Anything exciting curio wise?

Feelin like taking my vet out in havoc 😂

[mortal horizon]

and isnt opening salvo one of the most consistant dmg + ammo savers for recon las?

are the melee buffs and reciprocity worth?

[tall torrent]

I don't like recon las with power sword

[mortal horizon]

ya i like it with DS

[tall torrent]

not a fan of it personally

[viral nacelle]

Gross everything is DS these days

[tall torrent]

for DS? yes

[tropic notch]

Me personally i can’t do ps without ws

[tall torrent]

reciprocity is total crit chance so recon benefits too

[mortal horizon]

ya if i use ps i use ws too

this is ds or knife build

[tropic notch]

Ohhh

[mortal horizon]

ill try it both ways, i find the big buffs on elites + marksman + opening salvo let me reload, ult and dump a boss to help the team when we are overwhelmed with havoc bosses

and i basically only melee to boss duel when they are focused on me and i cant kite, or to kill crushers

or general surrounded

oh theres 1 point

[tall torrent]

yea

[mortal horizon]

i could grab 5% crit with it

or opening salvo

oh man hard choice

[tall torrent]

5% crit is better

opening salvo is super mid lol

[mortal horizon]

5% crit, salvo, marksman or 15% elite dmg

marksman is really strong tbh

but maybe the 5% crit is more consistant

[tall torrent]

marksman is strong yea, but it's more for DS

up to u

recon is quite meh for weakspot hits

[mortal horizon]

honeslty it could even be the 15% base dmg on elites, so many in havoc

and its always up

do monsters and captains count as elites

or nah

[tall torrent]

no

[mortal horizon]

ok hmm

[tall torrent]

opening salvo not a real choice

it's a lot worse than 5% crit

[mortal horizon]

ok

[tall torrent]

5% crit applies to ur melee weapon, works all the time

opening salvo is only 10% crit, only for ranged, and only at 80% or more loaded ammo

[mortal horizon]

feel like im gonna notice the dps drop when using my gun tho with this, but i guess its worth the melee buffs

ill try it

[tall torrent]

not a real competition

[mortal horizon]

ya true

before i did have both the way i was trying it

which was nice but

[tall torrent]

marksman hits harder mainly for DS vs carapace & boss

[mortal horizon]

probs not as good as other stuff

[tall torrent]

superiority complex is generalist vs eite

3 choices, there's a reason to choose all 3

comes down to preference

[mortal horizon]

if i drop the melee package entirely i could also do this

which seems like it could be good

ill try your way first tho, thanks for tips

[tall torrent]

why FTE

if ur gonna drop desperado, get 10% rending in the middle

[mortal horizon]

bc its strong especially when combined with marksman, no? those 3 red nodes are all base dmg i thought i remember reading, pop ult big burst dmg to help boss

[tall torrent]

or even competitive urge tbh

[mortal horizon]

is 10% rending needed? i guess itll help general lasgun dmg

[tropic notch]

Dis seems like a silly build

[tall torrent]

it's not like DS + recon will be killing things in huge numbers

ur counting on ur team for horde & mixed horde anyway

[mortal horizon]

and nades

[tall torrent]

shouldn't be terrible competitive urge uptime

[tropic notch]

Havoc vet is specialist control

[mortal horizon]

it usually shreds for me around havoc 30 but i also see a lot of bad players in party finder ngl

[tall torrent]

nah it's not real competition vs a pickaxe ogryn / inferno psyker for mixed horde

[tropic notch]

I had a good vet and it made a world of difference

[sharp epoch]

Meh, other classes can do the same job maybe better

[tall torrent]

2 nades won't even wipe ragers in havoc

it's just contributing dmg

but a pickaxe ogryn will put every rager into a blender

[tropic notch]

I mean yeah but he is good at it

Or inferno

[sharp epoch]

It's not really a role if other classes are better at it and better at other things

[mortal horizon]

dont get me wrong pixkaxe ogryn is probabljy my most havoc wins this season

but i do well with recon/plasma vet, its strong too

[tropic notch]

Ok true

What is vet in havoc good at then?

[mortal horizon]

meatball was an ogryn and another good player so kept up mostly but this was a recon keyston-less game

[sharp epoch]

Most unique thing vets offer is really just ammo regen

[tropic notch]

[tall torrent]

vet exists solely for power sword and feeding ammo for rumbler PBB

[tropic notch]

I don’t even use bubble with my psyker in havoc

Venting just melts everything

[sharp epoch]

I been really liking zealot on havoc tbh, it's way less stress than vet and I still deal with all the specials and have a consistent armor clear with flamer, also good for killing bosses/elites with DS too

[tropic notch]

Had a match where I did 600k and I was barely a quarter in

[sharp epoch]

The new modifier really inflates damage

[tall torrent]

embrace relic blade

[tropic notch]

Zealot Is a really good all rounder

[sharp epoch]

I'm a nooblot so the moveset of relic blade is too complicated

😂

[tall torrent]

Mk X is braindead easy

[tropic notch]

Tbh i can’t stand ds in havoc

[tall torrent]

Mk II relic blade is 500% the effort of Mk X relic blade for 10% better performance

peak design

[tropic notch]

Kinda? It reminds me of the chainaxe and dclaw mk4

[pseudo fiber]

You do feel fucking awesome though

[tropic notch]

Which are my favorite weapons

I love the combos

[tall torrent]

less awesome when the uppercut has no weakspot priority

I'm really considering renaming my zealot to Pre-Servitor

[versed mural]

Do you guys have any general suggestions for improving survivability on veteran generally? I’m having a blast playing it in havoc but even at lower levels I’m starting to feel delicate. I’m running weapon specialist with the bolt pistol, power sword, shredder frags and of course shout. 3 toughness curios-I know 2 toughness/1 stamina is the meta but I hoped the extra toughness would make me a bit less delicate

[pseudo fiber]

Cooking

[tropic notch]

So the mk2 is better? I remembered someone saying that the 10 was the best but i didn’t know what to believe yet

[versed mural]

Yeah I don’t think it’s all that great, hordes get so large and dense that I think the DS falls off quite badly

[sharp epoch]

Yeah you basically can't get hit twice in a row with no gold toughness or you instadie

[tall torrent]

Mk II relic blade is 500% the effort of Mk X relic blade for 10% better performance

[versed mural]

Ah, so, skill issue? That’s kind of what I figured

[tall torrent]

u decide if it's worth it for u

[versed mural]

I’ll just have to keep playing, then, I know there’s easier classes right now but veteran is so damn addictive

[sharp epoch]

A lot of vets running ds, it improves survivabillity if you have trouble with it

[tropic notch]

I just said i already loved it

https://tenor.com/view/steamhappy-meme-steam-tg-bratishkin-gif-274347585508037432

[sharp epoch]

PS is a lot better with a premade and worse when your alone

[tropic notch]

Das the mk10

[tall torrent]

yea

[versed mural]

The cleave on the power sword is just so damn satisfying. DS is still workable, though? I always worry about horde clear

[tall torrent]

mk2 can hit harder, but is also harder to use

[sharp epoch]

Also the shredder frag bolt pistol builds is one of my pet peeves, it's kinda a meme build on havoc and doesn't really have sustained damage

cause bolt pistol breakpoints are pretty bad

[tall torrent]

if horde clear is ur biggest worry, vet is not as good as ogryn

ogryn is by far the best at mixed horde clear and boss dmg

[versed mural]

Is it really? I had no idea, I’d honestly just started using it because it was fun

[tropic notch]

Alternating heavy and light isn’t hard what the scallop

Can dey not use the dclaw mk4

[tall torrent]

ok now swap combo between horde clear and single target within 1 input

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/demoted-russian-kid-russian-kid-crying-discord-mod-gif-23854964

[sharp epoch]

Yeah it barely one taps specials and gunners on damnation and havoc increased hp makes that barely into its always a 2 tap or more

[tropic notch]

Hold on let me finish the combo dude

[junior grail]

Anyone use Melee Vet build?

[tropic notch]

Don’t attack me

[tropic notch]

I only use melee vet

[versed mural]

Thank you, that’s good to know. What would you suggest instead? I was enjoying the bolt pistol because of the mobility, especially with the power sword for melee

[junior grail]

Got a link to build pwease? Haha

[sharp epoch]

Plasma/Recon + DS/PS is what were kinda shoehorned into

I use plasma ps personally

[tall torrent]

recon + DS

plasma + power sword

[tropic notch]

I was gonna say push attack but that’s 2 inputs

[tall torrent]

yea, like I said, 10% better performance for 500% effort

[sharp epoch]

If your going into pubs plasma ds might be better just to survive though

[versed mural]

I played this for a while, but ended up dying a lot because of how slow it was-I’ll just have to practice more, then

[versed mural]

Thank you

[versed mural]

Thank you

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build

[tall torrent]

power sword VI + plasma

[tall torrent]

duelling sword IV + recon VIc
1 float point between superiority complex, marksman and 5% crit chance

[junior grail]

Wow that title haha

[tropic notch]

You can use any melee really, but ranged you have, d barrel, revolver, bolt pistol, and plasma

[versed mural]

excellent! I will go and give this a try now

[tropic notch]

Reminds me of that one fgs

[tame lodge]

sees Mk2
RB Mk2 not DS Mk2

[tall torrent]

it can 2 shot crusher & bulwark for 10s after using ability at max havoc scaling (without orange)

and do this (damnation scaling): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1362582235554779317/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.04.17_-_20.14.16.06.mp4?ex=6802eb18&is=68019998&hm=4c6cfde6771c9f2ffdd2c0fc603c1c2d7a3b6b5eb42ab35184154b873c4197ff&

[tropic notch]

Path sensei demonstrates the blade…

Now solo a bon

[hollow ibex]

honestly i think mk ii is worse

without TWBS, it feels bad

[tall torrent]

it does hit higher single target

[hollow ibex]

Mk X gives no shits about TWBS

which means 2 points i can throw elsewhere

[tall torrent]

I still take TWBS on everything

I play every mode like I'm playing duos

[hollow ibex]

i don't run TWBS on most of my zealot builds anymore

[tropic notch]

Preach path

[hollow ibex]

what do you even need TWBS for if you never get hit?

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/david-hasselhoff-true-truth-nuke-spongebob-movie-gif-10152461791604628524

I don’t run until death

[hollow ibex]

don't like weapons that make me feel like i need to spend 2 points to grab TWBS

[hollow ibex]

i take it so i can just eat crusher overheads for fun

assert your dominance

https://tenor.com/view/brushoff-mostinterestingman-dust-off-gif-9749730

my zealot brushing off the crusher overhead

[tropic notch]

[hollow ibex]

the emperor protects

[tropic notch]

Until death is the lock in node

[junior grail]

Would Catachan or Heavy Sword work?

[tropic notch]

Most definitely

I love the mk 4 dclaw on vet

[junior grail]

I admit, I suck at parrying

[tropic notch]

The hsword is a good alternative then

A bit slow but good damage

[junior grail]

Okies, will try Bistol Hsword for alternate Commissar build

[hollow ibex]

be ready to deal with crushers with your bistol

unless you take krak

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent do you think the other knife mk will just be thrust lights and vanguard heavies?

[tall torrent]

wat

3rd knife?

idk

[tropic notch]

[pseudo fiber]

I think it should all be strikedowns

Poking heavies and diagonal lights also it's a sword

[hollow ibex]

all stabs

for the authentic birmingham shanking experience

[tame lodge]

All lights are just mk3s l3

[tropic notch]

Imagine the dps

Give it confident strike

Like the mk4 cleaver

Imagine that on zealot

[junior grail]

3rd knife is the Australian "That's not a Knoife..."

[pseudo fiber]

3rd power sword varient that's has horizontal lights and strikedown heavies and its push attack shoots a bolt pistol shot off

[hollow ibex]

this will save vet

[tropic notch]

Pls bring back saltz rapier

Lemme shoot

I mean we have ds4 zealot with tknife

[misty delta]

Can chain axe mk12's PA stagger crushers out of their overhead attacks?

[late moon]

i sometimes look at high level players in the lobby and see what thye're running

this guy must be trying solo attempts right?

[hollow ibex]

good example of why level doesn't mean shit

[late moon]

he was like +350

[stuck gorge]

crit damage 😭

[pseudo fiber]

This game is hell

[hollow ibex]

just the average guardsman

[stuck gorge]

also at least they grabbed field improv

they arent entirely worthless

[hollow ibex]

yeah and frags

[tall torrent]

that means nothing

levels mean nothing

[lilac kayak]

is there any viable melee weps for high havoc besides Psword and Ds

[calm shard]

you can remove ds from that

gotta kill things fast in new havoc

[frank basin]

Unconventional build?! I did said about recon and weapon specialist once time

[solar valve]

why no bring it down though?

[tropic notch]

Because this person is silly

[solar valve]

smh

[fading yarrow]

Pls

I neeeeeed iiiiiit

[formal ice]

Saltzpyre wouldn't like you stealing his weapon's features

[woven cove]

He died like 40 thousand years ago or whatever, who cares.

[formal ice]

Warhammer 40k isn't from his universe

[woven cove]

I know, I'm just kidding.

[formal ice]

What I mean is

Saltzpyre is still alive

And disappointed with this guy

[stoic thorn]

The cutthroat sounds like he eats crayons

[gritty mural]

female cutthroat sounds like she had a voice crack saying "Ammo!?"

[formal ice]

Cutthroat eats beans

[stoic thorn]

Praise the emperor, and pass the ammunition

Battlesector has some fire ass quotes

[thick needle]

Cutthroat sounds like he eats cigarettes

[stoic thorn]

Tanks? That's what I bring to the table. A whole lot of tanks.

[formal ice]

No that would be Bully

[thick needle]

A world of tanks even

[stoic thorn]

The sentinel VA is unhinged lmao

[formal ice]

Tanks? Why tanks?

You mean trains?

[stoic thorn]

I'd love more lines about ogryns obsessing over tanks ngl

[formal ice]

Trains*

[stoic thorn]

Also wish we had more patterns to see in the game

[thick needle]

In the grim darkness of the future, car guys must find a more military fixation

[stoic thorn]

An Exterminator would be nice to see

Hells it would be really cool to one of them in action

I wouldn't mind a sentinel boss fight

It would be so cool to see if Atoma had like an LM Conqueror in store

Considering that pattern is basically extinct

Oh

They stopped producing the conqueror because it sucked

Would love to see a Moebian armoured regiment pull up though

[fading yarrow]

Um ackshuslly

[stoic thorn]

Wasn't the old world and 40k in the same universe in RT?

[fading yarrow]

Fantasy/Age of Sigmar is connected to the 40K universe via the Warp in its own pocket dimension

Like a Schrödinger's cat in the attic

Not there, but not absent

[gaunt hare]

use a double barrel shotty's alt fire

if its large crosshair is vaguely on enemies you'll get it

[hasty grove]

Cadia’s finest

[frank basin]

Bucket head

[hasty grove]

How else am I supposed to protect my massive brain containing all my tactical genius?

[frank basin]

You don’t

There’s other better with tactical geniuses

The commissar

[hasty grove]

No Commissar in my strike team

Unless Dukane wouldve blessed us with her presence 🙏

[frank basin]

[fading yarrow]

I'm about to ask The Question™️

71 Thermal and 69 Charge or 69 Thermal and 71 Charge?

My Plasma has the former and the channel search results are showing Plasmas with both

[dry cloak]

@tired egret

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-anythings-possible-limitless-gif-16382417

[grizzled pebble]

Latter

68 thermal 72 charge works too

As long as you can get 8 shots before hitting 100%

[fading yarrow]

Looks weepily at my <200k dockets

I'm sorry, little one...

[dry cloak]

With proper blessing you can shot 11 times

[grizzled pebble]

Might get lucky with 200k

[dry cloak]

I would not count on that but who kbows

[fading yarrow]

Which, prithee?

[dry cloak]

I think it the crit on heat lvl and decreased heat gain from crit hits

Iirc

I dont use plasma

[hollow ibex]

Path's Plasma Copypasta

[fading yarrow]

Oh I actually have those on mine already lol

Now I just need to get the correct stats

[grizzled pebble]

I play flak maniac

[fading yarrow]

250k gone

Reduced to atoms

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-snap-gauntlet-infinity-war-thor-gif-14073021

[grizzled pebble]

If we could trade I'd give you 5 mils to gamble :c

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pepo-apu-apustaja-frog-nuggies-gif-23391237

Time to grind out my last* five Havoc missions to cope

[red robin]

wtf

that's psychotic tech

that you can block cancel the power sword activation really fucking fast

wtf

i have been living in the ancient past waiting all the time in hordes getting hit while activating

thanks vet guide

[lean vine]

now that's a kill team...or as Jesper likes to call us "the Disposal Unit"

[queen sky]

where can i find this guide?

[narrow frost]

@queen sky

[queen sky]

aha ty

this is still being ported to steam?

[narrow frost]

yes

we are still working on it

[stuck tree]

[queen sky]

thanks

wait. other classes can't cover peek?

[narrow frost]

Only vet

Like how only ogryn has suppression immunity (without talents), some classes have base stats

[queen sky]

TIL

ty

[fading yarrow]

Havoc Exemplar

Might try to complete The Insane or Fleeting Memories tomorrow

After those two, it's just kills, rescues and Auric grinding

[calm shard]

some weapons on human classes are also immune to suppression

laspistol is an obvious example

[regal belfry]

i hope we get more plasma and bolter marks

[calm shard]

their models have been sitting in the game since release

I wouldn't count on it

[grand perch]

New Plasma mark added. This one's lore accurate and thus explodes at random with a 1/6 chance per shot

[crimson wyvern]

hello leavers just letting you know on mortis this is a scan target

we went through 6 different players that came and gave up thinking the game was bugged / too much effort

we're up to 20 minutes on round 3

[lost frigate]

Does inf autofun gain bonus from ADS?

[shut orbit]

What melee do you all like for hordeclear besides power sword?

[lost frigate]

duel sword is quite nice although need to stab the foot soildier but the fodder light atk is just work well with crit stack blessing

[calm shard]

not for horde clear it isn't

[lost frigate]

heavy sword is fine too

[tough tiger]

Hsword is good at horde clear

[calm shard]

okay kill this horde that has one (1) mauler in it

[lost frigate]

throw a flag for space then quicky dispatch mauler with gun then switch to sword?

[dry cloak]

heavy spam at body lvl

[calm shard]

(this is going to do less in game because of losing damage on cleave)

[undone sigil]

Anything that's not the helmet is flak which hsword can cleave through nicely

It's only crushers I've had a bad time with

[uncut pebble]

Maulers have carapace helmets.

You cannot cleave them with hsword unless you kill them with deathblow or you have perfect strike.

[undone sigil]

Well if you aim at bodyheight it'll still be fine won't it?

Atleast for clearing the chaff before you deal with the mauler

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, but one mauler is going to eat your cleave.

Hsword thrives against chaff due to deathblow, and if you aren't taking advantage of that, your horde clear drops through the floor by comparison.

Better to back off and draw a gun on the mauler. If you dont have rending just bodyshot him.

Laspistol, for example, will kill a mauler in ~10 shots.

[undone sigil]

Won't most other weapons experience the exact same armour cleave mass issue though?

[uncut pebble]

Yes and no.

Hsword has some pretty poor cleave damage distribution.

[undone sigil]

I find the mk2 is plenty good for dealing with maulers due to the angles being great for striking shoulder and body

[uncut pebble]

That's why deathblow is so huge, if you cleave heads, everything is considered the first target so you deal full damage.

[undone sigil]

Isn't one of the main perks of the hsword it's reach though?

Then again I don't really use it on vet, I mostly use it with my sneaky zealot

[umbral scaffold]

This is my future in game build 🫡 Hope they will add cigar as well 😌

Cigar will give you thoughness but will have less stamina

[pseudo fiber]

Also have to bend over to cough every now and then

[shut orbit]

+Toughness, but you have a DoT that eventually kills you through lung cancer

[grand perch]

smoking cigars may lead to hiding baneblades in a flanking position behind a lamp post and is thus highly recommended

[crude wind]

I don't use deathblow on Hswords in havoc

You're better off with Wrath and Headtaker I've found

[uncut pebble]

Well, havoc is where breakpoints come to die, and deathblow is extremely breakpoint oriented.

[sharp epoch]

hsword on havoc 😂

killing horde is pointless when you got a psyker or ogryn and it sucks against anything with any armor

[undone sigil]

Make it sound as if weapons exist outside of DS

[hidden tree]

havoc 40 proves weapons need buffs or reworks

1h chainsword my beloved

[stoic thorn]

My goat creed

When will we get

The Creed fit

[sharp epoch]

They do, just not the literally worst weapon against armor and bosses

[grand perch]

message's from yesterday but havoc buddy and me rate zealots on their ability to pick duellist. we call it "intelligence check"

[hidden tree]

claw sword moment

[sharp epoch]

It just shows how bad human weapons are against armor really, most ogryn weapons do well against armor or moderately decent

and atm havoc is armor + boss spam

also gunner spam but anything kills gunners

[hidden tree]

they kill us too, that is my most hated enemy

[undone sigil]

Would've thought the claw would've taken that. Given its only novelty is parry

[cinder token]

changed my blessing so that I have 200+ health

[unreal nova]

So you are saying my Zealot is fine?

[cinder token]

now I should survive 2 busters?

[pliant spire]

Is it true there is a veteranomicon is getting cooked now?

[pseudo fiber]

Been getting cooked for a while

[unreal nova]

Path is procrastinating on it but yes. I mean the Hammer of the Emperor is basically it.

[shut pelican]

For the long bomb challenge does it have to be a frag or can it be a shredder?

[unreal nova]

We just hope it's done before he gets banned.

[pseudo fiber]

Either or

[unreal nova]

Shredder counts.

[pseudo fiber]

Smokes do too funnily enough

[shut pelican]

Bruh

[unreal nova]

Use lethal prox to hit more.

With shredders.

[pseudo fiber]

idk he put "Zealot guide" in his name too it may be soon

[shut pelican]

Word

Preciate it

[tall torrent]

which part do u need

[unreal nova]

Thus, the fear of him getting banned goes up. Everyone who worked on a Zealot guide somehow ends up banned.

[stuck gorge]

here’s to another day delay of vet guide

🥂

[tall torrent]

hell yea

[grand perch]

i dont know why the guide takes ot long path, just complete plasma, psword and DS sections and thats all thats relevant

[unreal nova]

Bolt Pistol.

You forgot the stat stick for 'nades reeeeeeeeeeee

[pliant spire]

Was just wondering, saw some Reddit post, never knew vet had a resource book.

[grand perch]

it is only for the enlightened...well at least until its on steam for the masses

[red robin]

Unwashed masses

So uh

[loud belfry]

some sort of pre alpha version of the vet guide is in pins

[red robin]

How do you recognize the block cancel with the power sword activation block cancel

[signal cypress]

Yea because in this day and age it seems too hard to just shut the fuck up and make a guide

That "curse" is self inflicted, clearly

[unreal nova]

I dunno. I don't make sane guides.

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-chris-stewie-negative-so-negative-gif-27521015

Honestly I wish there was more blessings that cleaved carapace

[sharp epoch]

Atleast claw is a better matchup against ragers, but yeah it's almost just as bad same with shovel

[red robin]

Perfect strike kinda fun in that regard

[tall torrent]

if u need specific sections, u can ask me in dm

[unreal nova]

Wot, shovel has uncanny.

Just crack them open in two flip heavies.

[undone sigil]

With the mk2 I've managed to one shot both varieties of rager fairly consistently. Sometimes even getting a nice 2 for 1

Granted I know there's far better weapons than hsword

Just looks neat

[red robin]

Gotta feel like a pirate sometimes

[undone sigil]

Or a deathcult assassin

[hidden tree]

is there anyone in here that has done a havoc 40 using a veteran 1hCadia MK IV chainsword

[sharp epoch]

It's possible if you got a really good team to pick up your slack pretty much

[hidden tree]

thats the same with everything

Im really good at darktide i usually play with 1 friend and randoms or alone and i have always loved that sword but i feel like itd get me killed, they really need to buff alot of stuff, and you guys were so right about shovel it needs an insane buff

i tried every variant and by god it sucked

[pastel zealot]

I honestly haven't found any weapons as comfortable as the shock maul tbh. Like, yeah Rashad axe is amazing, same with DS or PS, but shock maul just feels good to me

[hidden tree]

ill try it i havent tried that yet

leveling all weapons rn, on shovel and lasgun

[pastel zealot]

It's just a pretty safe weapon. Staggers pretty well, with fast wide sweeps

And if you want to be a pest, use the Taser on a bulwarks ass

[hidden tree]

yea ill give it a try after this, I hate using the meta in any game but it seems you have to at hav 40

i got cussed out on hav 30 for using a knife

like??? i just like the weapons feel and animations

[pastel zealot]

Really? I thought knives were good?

[hidden tree]

idk

it definitely is good but it sucks at hordes sometimes

[pastel zealot]

Oh I guess they would rather people be able to cleave through all the armor

[hidden tree]

yea

[pastel zealot]

Hence, power sword I guess

[pastel zealot]

I feel this. Also why I don't run havoc lol I applied to run a havoc thinking it was 1-10 or something (idk how that screen even works) turns out it was a 22. Just glad I was on my karsolas ogryn

[hidden tree]

ik i hate using power sword cuz i hate its dodges

[pastel zealot]

That's an ENTIRE mood, dude

[hidden tree]

that and i dont like the way the achlys looks

[pastel zealot]

Weapon skins ftw

[hidden tree]

onfg

[pastel zealot]

The one currently in shop looks pretty good imo

[hidden tree]

my knife skin