veteran-class

[hidden tree]

Thanks

[tall torrent]

Not rly worth the ammo cost outside of BoN

[queen sky]

BoN?

[normal bay]

It's decent if you hit the weakspot

Bolter is the boss slayer

[tall torrent]

Beast of nurgle

[gilded wraith]

Krak feels like a wish.com rumbler grenade on occasion.

[queen sky]

Ahh, because the beasts have the huge weak spot?

[tall torrent]

No, because they’re annoying to melee

[normal bay]

Infernus recon, combat shotgun also respectable boss damage

But I don't really recommend the combat shottie overall

[queen sky]

Ok, gotcha

[hollow ibex]

the ammo's othewrise going to the lugger ogryn anyway

[void dragon]

The actual real sniper gun of the vetera

[gilded wraith]

Not sure what's up with rumbler against multiple bulwarks, but I envy it.

[queen sky]

Mostly i am just levelling plasma gun, i don't NEED to use it

My favourite is probably bolt pistol so far

[void dragon]

Btw I take that it is always better to go plasma gun with weapon specialist instead of focus target?

[hollow ibex]

Not sure what's up with rumbler against multiple bulwarks literally anyything, but I envy it.

[blissful fractal]

im tellin ya'll they need a longlas that obliterates on weakspot/crit hits but has lower RoF, high pierce and punch, limited ammo count (its hot shot afterall)

[hollow ibex]

nah

[junior grail]

Combat shotty? How??

[hollow ibex]

idk where people get the idea that plasma is better with WS

[queen sky]

Good news! They put that in the game, it's called the Hellb-

[queen sky]

Slug i assume?

[normal bay]

It has weirdly high unyielding damage

[tall torrent]

Plasma is better with FT than WS

U take WS because power sword

[hollow ibex]

one of the shotguns does a bunch of unyielding damage on its primary shot. lawbringinger i think?

[blissful fractal]

plasma is gambling so therefore its better

[hollow ibex]

there's no real gambling with WS, sorry

[blissful fractal]

listen i love the hellbore, i want me my crooked scoped longlas with a long barrel

[queen sky]

Crooked?

[void dragon]

Speaking of, tried the MK3(?) folding shovel and it feel ok Vs crushers and similar stuff, how much the weapon actually underperform?

[junior grail]

Interesting...

[queen sky]

Tbh with both the hellbore and kantrael in the game i dont think we will ever see a long las

[gilded wraith]

What's the strategy with recon on bosses? Hit max burn stacks then melee anything that isn't a BoN?

[blissful fractal]

yeah munitorum is notoriously bad at finding flaws in things so lots of the scopes (at least in one short story) were crooked which is pretty funny

[queen sky]

Huh TIL

never heard of it before

[tall torrent]

No rager group stagger
No real value vs mixed horde
Low unyielding damage
Bottom tier horde clear

U decide how good it is

[blissful fractal]

it COULD have been a fan made story but i dont remember

it is however fitting

[void dragon]

To be fair, any melee with veteran against rangers feels like a death sentence

[tall torrent]

Nah

Just spam power sword / combat axe

[void dragon]

Ok, not any weapons, just almost all of them

[tall torrent]

Tac axe also very good vs ragers

[grand perch]

i was gonna say

[lusty ether]

DS exists

[grand perch]

taxe 4 life

[tall torrent]

Tac axe is basically DC sword but better in every way

[gilded wraith]

While energized lights stagger a rager?

[hollow ibex]

Cringe

[void dragon]

Have to give it a go, I don't think I have one for my vet

[fervent quest]

The Bolter is better imo once you get used to its clunkiness. Also give Infantry Autoguns a shot. They shred basically anything you just need a melee that can handle carapace.

Vraks has huge ammo reserves and a high rate of fire. The Agripinna is slower with more damage and more cleave.

[queen sky]

the slow draw on bolters made it feel really bad when switching away from my horde clear melee

i primarily use my ranged weapon for picking off elites and specials

hence my love of BP and Zarona

[tall torrent]

Exe stance

[queen sky]

i gave them a go on Psyker and had a good time with Scrier getting to 20, but i'll try on Vet too then

[lilac stump]

man try switching to the Hellbore.. it's just pain 😦

[queen sky]

yeah i can't stand the hellbore either for the same reason

what I ended up doing with the hellbore was horde clearing using the bayonet

it felt suprisingly good once you get into the rhythm

i left big blobs of poxwalkers to my teammates and focused on special enemy removal

[lilac stump]

I mean it's surprisingly decent a killing Ragers, but yeah no can't kill hordes one at a time XD

[queen sky]

switching to axe or something if i got actually swarmed

[lilac stump]

Is there a build on the veteran that uses the suppression mechanic

[tall torrent]

In an interesting way? No

[lilac stump]

Thanks for the quick answer! Unfortunate. I was thinking about my Stagger Ogryn which is undeafeated in fun/minutes.

[tall torrent]

Suppression is not stagger

[queen sky]

yeah unfortunately suppression is not as fun as spamming stagger CC

you're just shooting and not hitting

[lilac stump]

I wanted to try to see if there was something usefull "outside" of killing that the Veteran was good at. LIke a support build. But I guess it would be a version of the nade Veteran with the ressucitate node for VoC.

[dry cloak]

Eh dont be. How many times my mic does not worj

[queen sky]

i am actually kind of running a vet support build

hang on let me finish documenting it on gameslantern

[faint beacon]

Best support is to kill everything

[lilac stump]

So nades ?

[void dragon]

Yes

full nades is the core of the leader branch, which means nades are the ultimate support form

[void dragon]

i believe you in power sword, but Caxe never felt as good as people say and DEF dont perform well on havoc

[tall torrent]

yea it's not as good as power sword in current havoc

unfortunately

[lilac stump]

is the node Covering fire for a support build good or meh at best ?

[tall torrent]

meh at best

[void dragon]

really want more melee weapons feel like real weapons for vet, they have an entire side supposely about melee combat and the biggest dmg boost is locked behind smoke nades

[tall torrent]

nah, melee

[void dragon]

@tall torrent can i ask what curio combo is good on vet? i feel that I run veteran with probably too little hp, but not sure if that's because im not meleeing correctly

[tall torrent]

toughness
health
third is flex, just don't choose wounds

[void dragon]

I run 2toughness and stamina, but maybe need to put health on the perks too?

[queen sky]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9eb0b628-a9cb-48a6-b0e9-0276bbe773ec/support-vet-5

THERE we go

took me a minute

[lilac stump]

I'll take a look at it! Thanks 😄

[hollow ibex]

This is going to need some work

[queen sky]

np

[hollow ibex]

Don’t

[queen sky]

i'm not suprised

all i can do is suggest what works for me

it is clearly marked as Malice

[orchid hemlock]

You can help the team by killing everything

[queen sky]

i'm not interested in soloing havoc with a knife zealot

i just want to do team support and pick off elites/specials

[hollow ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/984525651904176209/1327912507150565436/IMG_2005.png?ex=6800b765&is=67ff65e5&hm=592b5d857c4aacec228f2726989c6dfdf6ceacdc61ed870b960c2a650b0bd8e7&

Can just try something like this as a starter

Though for plasma recommend FT over WS

[queen sky]

i keep my weapons out too long for WS to really help me tbh

i've never seen the attraction to it unless you're really leaning into an aggressive speedy sword+gun style

[queen sky]

i thought Survivalist was way better than Fire Team?

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1320852161265143878/axe.mp4?ex=6800bd2f&is=67ff6baf&hm=ccc89558dd677076c2c79b389a2381899b8f914fd43bf65a8cf199ff4974b209&

[tall torrent]

outside of Havoc and CIVI it doesn't matter enough for majority of weapons & builds

[queen sky]

CIVI?

[queen sky]

ah yeah that's what i meant by "aggressive speedy sword+gun style"

[tall torrent]

scab faction, melee only, no ammo spawn, waves of specialists

maelstrom

[queen sky]

aah the maelstrom set

ty

[tall torrent]

that's just standard veteran gameplay

[queen sky]

not for me at least

[loud belfry]

just did a civi, not sure how to make tac axe work well on it as a zealot

[queen sky]

depending on what i'm running i'm either keeping my melee out and switching to ranged when i mark something, or i'm keeping my ranged out and switching to melee when i get swarmed

[hollow ibex]

Martyrdom

[hollow ibex]

Good way to do it

[loud belfry]

oh yeah that'd probably work

[hollow ibex]

Martyrdom + Mk 4 taxe for light spam memes

[loud belfry]

my damage was 530k vs the top ogryn at 710k, martyrdom probably woulda made up most of that difference

[stuck gorge]

I unironically saw a knife martyrdom zealot so taxe would probably work

[hollow ibex]

I do that too

Very fun

When you have so much attack speed that the animations start breaking

I honestly can’t enjoy zealot without martyrdom

But zealot with martyrdom feels like cheesing the game

[stuck gorge]

How good is relicblade with martyr vs IJ

[hollow ibex]

Martyrdom RB is fucking insane

You turn into a god damn blender

I use MkX

[stuck gorge]

Yea it already shreds hordes With IJ

and also good elite dmg

[queen sky]

are the FT sub-keystones not good?

[hollow ibex]

Redirect fire is borderline mandatory, target down is good

8 stacks is a trap

You want to tag frequently

[queen sky]

getting extra Target Down and Redirect Fire feels great though

[tall torrent]

redirect fire is good in base game, not so much in havoc & mortis

cuz enemy health spikes up and messes all breakpoints

[hollow ibex]

Good to know, but though idc about dead game modes anyway

[tall torrent]

nah current havoc is fun

[hollow ibex]

Shame that it’s dead outside of premades

It’s not like I don’t want to play it

[void dragon]

dead? then what the hay i was playing with? zombie rejects?

scary

[hollow ibex]

EU?

[void dragon]

NA

[hollow ibex]

East?

Cuz it’s dead on West

[void dragon]

dont remember, i recall both being equal on ping for me

[hollow ibex]

And I ain’t wasting time with party finder bullshit

[warm schooner]

I get havoc groups fine on US West

[hollow ibex]

Every time I check it’s dead

[warm schooner]

lotta people just waiting for other people to start groups

[hollow ibex]

Couldn’t be arsed

[warm schooner]

there you go then

[void dragon]

my one issue is the rate how ppl reject me, must be because I might be low true level

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

Well that’s the party finder for you

[heavy rover]

They could also be really picky with the havoc rank and squad composition

[void dragon]

party poopers

[hollow ibex]

I could spend 30 minutes out of my 1.5 hours that I can play jerking off to the party finder screen

OR

[void dragon]

i can swap and fit any role but still reject life

[warm schooner]

party finder inspect has shown how many people have dogshit builds

[hollow ibex]

I could just play the fucking game

[heavy rover]

The sad part is that the moment I hit havoc 40 and for true survivor and suddenly it became a lot easier to get accepted into groups

Even though I still make some silly mistakes here and there

Or not following the meta

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[heavy rover]

I'm assuming it's because they want to get carried or something

[warm schooner]

also there's no way to inspect people without mods

so all you have to go off of is clearance and title

[hollow ibex]

They didn’t want to encourage toxicity

[warm schooner]

nothing like queuing in and seeing someone with ds and double barrel

on a veteran

[lilac stump]

That build try to hinge on VOC and Born Leader node, to just generate toughness to provide a steady regen for the group. Might work ?

[warm schooner]

or scryer psyker on pox gas high havoc

[heavy rover]

Yeah, I want to run around with reject and the base character portrait. But the group finding means I need to equip a fancy title like True Survivor and a shiny portrait to get even a decent chance of getting accepted

[queen sky]

after going through this, the impression i'm getting is that this is less a support build and more a really aggressive gun/sword frontliner?

[loud belfry]

just get a based and goated name

[hollow ibex]

The best way to support your team is by killing everything really. This isn’t like a hero shooter where we have dedicated tanks healers and dps

[queen sky]

yeah

ok, so the takeaway i'm getting is that for my chosen means of veteran play (support build in quickplay) i don't really need to adjust much and i'm doing fine

[lilac stump]

You say that but the ogryn class is (almost) always a tank, just by design

[hollow ibex]

While killing everything

[queen sky]

and that most suggestions are for havoc-tier meta sweatfest where you have to be able to delete a dozen ragers in five seconds or the whole team wipes

[hollow ibex]

So yes but no

Like in hero shooters tanks are expected to have lower damage output

That definitely isn’t the case with ogryn

[lilac stump]

I'm pretty sure that with my power maul build, I don't really need to do the killing, Staggering everything would be just fine if my team hasthe damage necessary. But as it stands right now, yes it does kill everything.

[hollow ibex]

Paul’s prob the worst ogryn melee atm too

[heavy rover]

Damn why you hating on Paul, he's a homie

[hollow ibex]

Paul needs to get his shit together

[stuck gorge]

give Paul a break what’d he do to you

[hollow ibex]

What did he not do for me is the problem

[stuck gorge]

[lilac stump]

Power Maul is the worst melee ogryn ? I mean sure if you think so.... I would say that's not the case, but what do I know. I think it's the most fun build to play.

[hollow ibex]

Well as long as you’re having fun

Most important thing

[lilac stump]

Tha's the thing I'm trying to have with the veteran, but I can't find a fun build with it. Because I got in my mind that it needs to be ranged (probably due that I already Have Ogryn and Zealot for close range fun)

[hollow ibex]

Yeah vet is a struggle now these days

[void dragon]

It feels ok when you have ammo for some guns, but it's struggle on melee combat is quite unnatural

[void dragon]

Wait, what you think is his worse weapon?

[queen sky]

is there any way to increase the Veteran's coherency radius?

[tame lodge]

Charismatic

[hearty panther]

right at the top

[tame lodge]

Top middle

It competes with uh

Whatever the name

[lilac stump]

I wouldn't know, I didn't look at the meta build. I just looked what build could be fun, and this one stuck with me 🙂

[tame lodge]

But it's the better talent of that row

[queen sky]

i thought Charismatic only affects Aura radius?

[void dragon]

Aura is tied with coherency

You go away from coherency, you lose the aura effect

[queen sky]

huh, i thought it increased the aura directly, to extend beyond coherency

rather than extending the aura indirectly through coherency

[void dragon]

In simple terms Paul struggle in comparison to the rest of weapons because surprisingly doesn't stagger as much Vs some elites by default (not at all Vs crushers) and it's damage is low, having it's niche currently as a fodder horde bully, since the suppression keeps them locked from attacking for a while

But the problem rises when the enrage mechanic of havoc starts to trigger the weapon will struggle even more

[tame lodge]

Wrong heavy to crushers face

[lilac stump]

So waht would be a better suited weapon for Stagger Ogryn ?

[tame lodge]

Brunt's Basher

Just W + Heavy

[lilac stump]

Do you mean the Bully Club ?

[tame lodge]

Yes

Brunt's Basher
Brunt's Pride
Brunt's Special

[void dragon]

Bully clubs perform quite well on stagger fights, all while being solid debuff sticks with thunderous

[lilac stump]

Oh I see it's the "version" of the weapon

[tame lodge]

Brunt's Pride is my favorite

But it has a sweeping heavy then a Strikedown heavy

[void dragon]

Prides punch after special is a good stagger weapon even on non stagger or melee investments

[tame lodge]

While Bashers heavy are all sweeps

[void dragon]

Pride feels like an amazing sidearm for a ripper lugger build

[queen sky]

does Only In Death Does Duty End affect teammates that are i.e. hanging off ledges and caught in trapper nets, or only if they're Downed from losing their last wound?

[lilac stump]

I think it's only the later

[hasty grove]

As a Veteran main I genuinely hate Ogryn players

[loud belfry]

ogryn is very strong right now, only psykers are probably stronger at the top end

[gilded raft]

at the "top end" classes are very well balanced, and player skill and moment-to-moment decision making is about the only thing that makes a difference

[loud belfry]

nah at the top end it's about the very concept of their class and what it can do compared to the game mode or the needs of that time

when you play 100% perfectly that's all that can even be, really

[gilded raft]

yeah, it's about playing your role. Can't say psyker is stronger than a veteran if your role is to shoot specials. Can't say veteran is stronger than ogryn if your role is to frontline. That's what I mean by balance.

[hasty grove]

Its because they never move their fat fucking asses out of the way so I can shoot things

[gilded raft]

in high diff, you have a role to play, and each class does well at various roles, can't really say that one class is stronger than the other. it's more about how well the player uses that class for the chosen role

[hasty grove]

My entire team of two close range ogryn and a zealot were getting skullfucked by a sniper and the entire time I’m trying to kill it they literally refused to stop standing infront of me

Even after I asked them to move

[gilded raft]

ping the sniper, shoot through your team

[loud belfry]

really depends on what you think of as strong in this game, i guess. psyker def can do most damage

[hasty grove]

Blue hitmarker

[gilded raft]

keep shooting

[gilded raft]

if he doesn't get folded by 12 ragers and 6 crushers, which the ogryn can easily handle

damage isn't everything

[loud belfry]

true, but at the top level i guess the psyker would somehow manage to beat them all

[gilded raft]

by having the ogryn run interference for him, which is his job

that's the how in somehow

[tame lodge]

Teammates can't stop your shots anymore

Literally shoot through them

[paper brook]

Are recons viable again? For auric maelstrom and havoc?

[red robin]

marksmen focus with tunnel vision and that node that grants toughness regen without taking melee damage does pretty good with this

born leader

but uhh

more toughness you got, more residual your teammates get

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[lilac stump]

How so?

[alpine sable]

I need the cooler kriegsman mask to come back out… i NEED IT

[red robin]

you got 250 toughness, your talents regen a percentage, so lets say you regen 50 from 20% toughness, your teammates get 15% of that 50

[lilac stump]

I might have read what you said before wrong. So you do want more toughness

[red robin]

yeah +25 tougness nodes and 17% toughness and 5% from curios go off

no need to min max it tho

[lilac stump]

Ok great then we agree ^^. I though you were saying the less toughness I have, the more they get and it wasn't mathing for me.

[red robin]

more toughness you have the better numbers born leader does

[sharp epoch]

In terms of class role, Ogryn's can also perform vets role of specialist killing pretty good while retaining their survivabillity with a GG or HS loadout. Veteran's can't really do the same thing as Ogryn and frontline while being invincible

[narrow frost]

#veteran-class message

@agile saffron

[lilac stump]

So what you're saying is that Ogryn is a better veteran than the veteran .. got it 🙂

[tame lodge]

Ogryn is a better zealot
Ogryn is a better vet
Ogryn is a better psyker
Ogryn is a better Ogryn

Ogryn sweep

[sharp epoch]

Nah zealots book is pretty good and melee is still on par or better than ogryns

[void dragon]

Ogryn superiority

[tame lodge]

zealot book

We don't really hold book up to high regards

Havoc had to come out just so book could be useful

[sharp epoch]

That means it's always been useful

same for psyker bubbles

[tame lodge]

Chastise is just more useful

For starters it doesn't drop your dps to 0

[sharp epoch]

It's more a selfish build, before havoc everyones build was how to maximize dps

[tame lodge]

Then we add in tg Regen

Ranged damage reduction

Homing

Crit

Attack speed

Melee rending

Stagger

Rip armor downgrade for ranged weapons though

You will be missed

(it was definitely not balanced)

Rip CRIT CDR based on cleave

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rip-sad-sponge-bob-stephen-hillenburg-crying-sponge-bob-squidward-gif-12966776

Peak Bloodthirsty Evis15

[elder fiber]

o7

[sharp epoch]

Vet has lost a lot too tbh

confirmed kill not stacking anymore, the dr with exe stance, survivalist nerf, power sword nerf, the talent tree splitting all the old talents up

The autoreload too but that wasn't that OP

[elder fiber]

p much all of that was intensely deserved tho, 75% tdr exe was a joke lmao

[sharp epoch]

It was mainly to duel shooters/gunners now exe stance vets can't really do their role anymore they just get shredded by gunners and shooters

[elder fiber]

it let you facetank hordes with a full toughness bar while you took your sweet time shooting w/e was spawning on old damnation

it was gold toughness before gold toughness lol

[sharp epoch]

Nah once they broke your full toughness the only way to regen it was killing elites so you can't really facetank hordes

[pseudo fiber]

8 swing power sword

infinite swing power sword

what a world

what a world

[sharp epoch]

That was pretty unbalanced but the way PC is mandatory now sucks, just remove PC and make it baseline

[lilac stump]

from a returning player (From beta) I've been playing for 2 weeks now. I do think the veteran doesn't have a particular role in a bad way. There is nothing unique about it.

[red robin]

Wouldn’t mind a overheat mechanic similar to relic blade

Strong part of power sword is the constant uptime tho

[elder fiber]

they're a jack of all trades, most of their options just don't scale well into havoc and we now got 2 class reworks that powercrept them

[red robin]

Might be huge if attack speed was factored in the timing it takes to activate the special

Or activate during block or something

[serene bough]

I almost forgot about this entirely

What was the %TDR again

[red robin]

Good old times being the bullet tank

75% I think

[sharp epoch]

The only unique thing to vet is maybe survivalist, shout is the same as book pretty much. And zealots or ogryns can pretty much clean up specialist just as good

[lilac stump]

Sorry but that's bad. becuase it makes you feel constantly outclass by anyone. They really should give him a specialization without ridiculous condition such as "you want ranged, sure, sure... but huh... You're a Sentry Turret now 😄

[unreal nova]

You can feel it by playing mortis and going colossus and getting the 50% TDR thing.

You basically can't die to shots if you have catch a breath and is in range shooty fight.

[sharp epoch]

And you couldn't swap to melee with exe stance or it ended before

[lilac stump]

So a glorified Ammo and Grenade box ... such uniqueness in combat 😄

[pseudo fiber]

You're very very good at dumping grenades

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/butter-robot-gif-21973199

[sharp epoch]

Also any sort of stun ended exe stance like poxbursters,muties, or dogs

[red robin]

Id honestly love if there was more passives cooked into abilities

[unreal nova]

Just an ammo dispenser, as said.

[red robin]

Like insta reload ain’t game breaking and it makes the class more enjoyable

Why bloat things with downtime

If it ain’t fun why bother

[hollow ibex]

Man I want this in ES so bad

[pseudo fiber]

becasue there are 3 other people in your lobby

[sharp epoch]

Vet is supposed to be ranged dps, but the balancing and talents really just force him into a melee vet type playstyle or pseudo zealot

[red robin]

Yeah

Also the marksmen class of weapons ain’t that wild

[hollow ibex]

laughs in psyker

[unreal nova]

Basically a bad Zealot. if you factor in everything.

[red robin]

Vigilant rifles and helbore got that melee suffering in it

[sharp epoch]

Psyker before was the other ranged dps, but they outclass vet the harder the difficulty due to infinite ammo basically and infinite cleave on their staves

[sleek garden]

Just use ghost and/or exhilarating takedown with kill confirmed

[hollow ibex]

Tbf if we ignore ults top end vet melee isn’t any worse than top end zealot melee imo

[red robin]

Vigilant rifles would be baller if it had a push mechanic on weapon special

[pseudo fiber]

Which is a problem with the staves not Veteran

[sleek garden]

it's super easy to face tank shooter armies

[sharp epoch]

Basically, zealot just feels better to play and easier than vet

[pseudo fiber]

Inferno should have a target cap on it

[sleek garden]

Just hold down the special attack

[hollow ibex]

It’s just that vet has few options

[sleek garden]

You can do an overhead bash

[unreal nova]

Your stamina is a joke compared.

[sleek garden]

It staggers maulers to the floor

[red robin]

I mean like a big sweep that gets chaff off of you

[unreal nova]

If you block, catch a breath insta breaks.

[red robin]

But that sounds like a lot to ask for

[lilac stump]

I do think they should up the ammo received with survivalist just for the veteran: 1% for the group - 5% for the vet so he can at least ammo dump with an automatic weapon without having to be a Las weapon and investing into crit.

[sleek garden]

How do you do a wide sweep with a gun

[hollow ibex]

True but I don’t think that’s a huge issue for the top weapons anyway

[unreal nova]

Yep, melee wise.

[red robin]

Yeah nvm it sounds dumb

I was thinking like l4d2 with the shove

[sleek garden]

Maybe if it had a bayonet but the bash is serviceable

[unreal nova]

Enjoy 2 stamina that takes ages to restore.

[sharp epoch]

Which is the only viable playstyle on havoc because of how low the ammo is

[sleek garden]

It's very funny that the wire stock bash knocks things over though

With vigilant auto I take smoke grenades

[pseudo fiber]

The best bash in the game is the double barrel

[red robin]

I should demo the melee attack speed on the vigilant

[hollow ibex]

Plus weapon stam but yah that hasn’t bothered me too much

[sleek garden]

I recommend this practice so you don't have to take ghost

[red robin]

Apparently it applies to melee

[unreal nova]

Thus. why some people choose to run without a vet.

[sharp epoch]

Yeah the problem with ammo is they're stingey with it for all classes, but psyker just gets infinite ammo, like just give ammo to the other classes if your gonna do that

[sleek garden]

with no ghost you can use headhunter and deadly accurate

[red robin]

True

I should demo that

[unreal nova]

That is with weapon stam. DS and knoife is 3 baseline.

[void dragon]

ngl, kinda annoying that the veteran identitiy has been reduced to an ammo dispenser

[unreal nova]

Or so.

[sleek garden]

you guys are crazy

[sharp epoch]

Meta teams seem to be two ogryns a psyker and either a vet or zealot

[sleek garden]

vet is perfectly powerful

[red robin]

I see vet as a specialist remover

Every class can do it I know

[unreal nova]

I mean, I've been saying this. With how broken the new oggy is... all you are is dispensing ammo for them.

And 'nades... if you field improv.

[red robin]

Imagine if superiority complex applied to specialists

[sleek garden]

They still can't one shot certain elites without crits most of the time

And you can clear shooters pretty decent

[sharp epoch]

When I play zealot I probably kill more specialists than the vet if I have one, that's why I feel specialist remover isn't that unique to vet

[unreal nova]

Uhhh wut? Have you even pickaxe?

[sleek garden]

In ranged

when they do one shot they typically have a long reload

[red robin]

Yeah, it’s really just a player habit that’s always good to apply conscientiously

[lilac stump]

I mean I have no issue being an ammo dispenser, if I had enough ammo for me.

[serene bough]

why are people saying lately that vet is useless

[red robin]

Nothing makes me blood boil more than seeing teammates not ping or pick out high priority targets

[sleek garden]

I don't understand either

[serene bough]

VoC and shredders alone make vet a good support pick for havoc

[unreal nova]

Don't need to one shot if you lucky bullet and mow them down though.

[red robin]

Ogyrn rework has people being hyper critical of vet talents being linear

[lilac stump]

Might make it a good support pick, the issue is it isn't fun to play.

[unreal nova]

More like, they are just worse to play than the rest now.

[sleek garden]

Are they going to buff enemies again

[serene bough]

i dont agree

[sharp epoch]

Vet is just the lowest performing class in havoc probably

[sleek garden]

I don't use havoc as a benchmark

It's just not meant to be the normal game

[serene bough]

well i dont mind using havoc as a benchmark, at least the discussion is worth considering

[red robin]

Remember that one patch that where chaff gunners had super accuracy and firing squad’d everyone

[unreal nova]

So you are saying Oggy being this OP is fine on normal Damnation?

[serene bough]

but even in havoc there's a lot to value from vet's consistent range DPS, grenade spam, ammo regen, and VoC stagger

[sharp epoch]

Havoc's better to use as a benchmark because you can run basically anything in auric malestrom and still win if your good

[sleek garden]

I mean before ogryn it was duelling sword flamer on psyker and zealot

nothing has particularly changed

[sharp epoch]

which are all really good on havoc still, vet doesn't really have that consistent DoT like the other classes

[unreal nova]

I mean, Ainz solo it with tacaxe and shredder before buff even, if i remember right?

[sharp epoch]

soloed h40?

[unreal nova]

If you are good enough, anything goes for auric basically.

[red robin]

I just want more build diversity with talents and blessings

[sleek garden]

I don't actually like having to use a super meta loadout to win a match

so havoc stops being fun

[red robin]

Like niche interactions between stuff

[sleek garden]

I don't want to use the duelling sword

[unreal nova]

Dunno, gotta ask him.

[sleek garden]

I want my devils claw to cleave 3 people to use the savage sweep blessing

[serene bough]

no but they have burst DoTs from easily spammable grenades, which is still very valuable

[sharp epoch]

Oh just auric malestrom, yeah that's doable

[red robin]

Like I really love some blessings that apply to melee/ranged attacks

Hotshot is nice

[pseudo fiber]

Lethal proximity the goat

[sleek garden]

I never got any value out of hotshot

[red robin]

80% hit mass reduction on headshot is wacky

[sharp epoch]

It's just vet doesn't really have anything it brings to the table unique from the other classes, while being good at base form

[red robin]

Idk if that’s patched tho

Never demo’d it

[sleek garden]

How do you make "man with gun with good aim" something fresh though lol

[red robin]

Hotshot applies to your weapon melee attacks

[unreal nova]

Yeah. Confirmed.

[serene bough]

idk why uniqueness matters, an easily spammable gold toughness source and AoE bleed stagger is incredibly useful towards havoc

[pseudo fiber]

You make loose cannon a playable personality

[tame lodge]

Peak FS trolling right there

[sharp epoch]

I'd make the man with a gun build actually viable, exe stance is very useless on havoc with how low ammo is and how squishy it is

[red robin]

Adhd makes me feel stagnant using one build

I have to change builds or classes to enjoy what I feel in the moment

[sleek garden]

literally take an infantry lasgun and build stacks of marksmans focus

[serene bough]

uniqueness in regards to comparisons between classes

[sleek garden]

take a smoke grenade if you need to

You can start one shotting enemies at midrange easily

[sharp epoch]

Book does gold toughness better with the addition of a long stagger time and any of the other DoT options are better and more consistent (flamer/purg)

[serene bough]

i.e. just because zealot has book doesnt mean VoC is worse or less useful in havoc

[sleek garden]

even on high havoc

The brown inflas done decently can still one shot flamers with lots of buffs

[sharp epoch]

try running that on havoc please

[sleek garden]

Or even one shot gunners

[sleek garden]

I have many times

[serene bough]

why not both, VoC is spammed more often than book, and shredders assist flame DoTs for more effective room clears without wasting more flame ammo

[sleek garden]

But I just haven't beaten a havoc 40

I don't intend on trying again soon

[red robin]

I just want ranger veteran mechanics of dropping ammo boxes or stims with survivalist

[sleek garden]

It wasn't fun

[serene bough]

this is how i cleared previous H40, MMF ilas IIb

still progressing currently towards 40 again but i havent had much time to play

[sharp epoch]

I always play h40s and I know that wouldn't work unless your being carried

[sleek garden]

ghost+smoke+exy stance+marksmans focus

Start shooting

[pseudo fiber]

I played las pistol smokes in havoc 40 lol

[red robin]

Is 15s of smoke neat or is 30s fun to use?

[sleek garden]

if carry means your teammates are killing poxwalkers for you that's not being carried that's doing their job

the flamethrower isn't single target midrange damage to scab gunners

let them destroy the horde and pull out your gun to shoot the gunner line setting up ahead

[tame lodge]

15 is enough
30 is when you really want to ignore ranged enemies

[sleek garden]

If all you do is havoc 40 great

It's not fun for me so I will stick to auric maelstrom so I can use my favorite weapons

[sharp epoch]

the one time I played with a laspistol vet he got carried

[serene bough]

las weapons in H40 are viable

[unreal nova]

Nu. 30 is when you wanna turn a room into a hookah den.

Bonus twinned.

[serene bough]

you bring them as consistent ammo efficient ranged damage

[grand perch]

i just tested this and its true

[pseudo fiber]

They can't see shit
I can't see shit

[grand perch]

suddenly you can cleave through scab rager head

[pseudo fiber]

NOONE HAS FUN

[tame lodge]

Lore accurate obscura den

[unreal nova]

Except the burga psyker just spamming everywhere.

[unreal nova]

Is funni, yes. Is it useful... Eh?

[tame lodge]

So you're telling me

Horde clearing Helbore is real

[grand perch]

its 1/5th hit mass taken off your 3 cleave

so most enemies are suddenly down from 1.5 to 0.3

scab ragers down to 2 cleave so it goes through

[tame lodge]

I'm sold

Already know what I'm doing later

[grand perch]

@tall torrent you seein dis?

[sleek garden]

Keep in mind that scab ragers are tall

and that if you are their height/shorter you will not be hitting hordes

You will be shooting into the air

[grand perch]

im more curious to see what melee weapons can do with 1/5th of hit mass on weak spot hits

since it still apllies to melee apparently

[lilac stump]

The only true las weapon that youc an have some reliability with is the recon. ilas is decent, but it pales in comparison, and hellbore is just a pain to switch too...

[serene bough]

i personally use ilas

its the weapon im more comfortable using

[sleek garden]

You're so false

[lilac stump]

That's fine, as I say it is decent from the little experience I have. It's just not as effective as the recon though. Also why limit the crit don't use ammo to the las weapons instead of most of them ?

[sleek garden]

I will always be an infantry lasgun defender

[serene bough]

I dont understand this sentence "why limit the crit don't use ammo to the las weapons instead of most of them"

[tame lodge]

Xiiig not needing wrath

[sleek garden]

I think he means why does shock trooper only apply to lasweapons

[serene bough]

oh okay i see

[sleek garden]

wait why do people like the blue chainsword over green for hordes

[tame lodge]

Because it would break the game

[sleek garden]

This seems off

[lilac stump]

sorry I'll be more precise: Why limit Shock Trooper to only las weapons ? Couldn't shock trooper apply to small arms (if you want the bolter and plasma to be out of it)

[serene bough]

well shocktroop on bolter and plasma would break them further

esp considering bolter has surgical

[pseudo fiber]

sure I'll take infinite ammo bolt pistol no problems here

[tame lodge]

Vraks5 would break the game with infinite ammo

Shotguns

Vigilants

[sleek garden]

shotguns could use the boost honestly

[tame lodge]

But infinite

[sleek garden]

I like shotguns

[tame lodge]

[serene bough]

im okay with shocktroop on las weapons only

[lilac stump]

I prefer broke than unusable tbf.

[pseudo fiber]

I shot a dreg gunner point blank with the mk7 shotgun and it didn't kill him and I visibly cringed

[tame lodge]

unusable

[serene bough]

shotguns are just too weak

they don't do nearly enough damage

[sleek garden]

Yeah imagine taking Zarona shotgun with Deadshot/marksmans focus stamina Regen node

kill half a horde with a special shell

No reload required

Repeat ad infinitum

[lilac stump]

Take an autogun: Vigilant, Braced or other wise. Try to play them as you would a recon or an ilas, and tell me if you have enough ammo.

[tame lodge]

Why would I play those as full autos?

[lilac stump]

Becuase you can play the recon...

[tame lodge]

Vigilants are ammo economic af

And hit harder than recon

Luv me semi auto

Vigilants problem isn't ammo
It's hit reg

[lilac stump]

You got what I meant to say. Shock Trooper should encompass every small arms. I really don't think it would "break the game". and Survivalist should give back more %ammo to the veteran. Make him be able to play distance and magdump a little.

[pseudo fiber]

I mean survivalist becomes more s tier

now put a base version on all auras

now we talking

[lilac stump]

I mean for me the S tier Aura is Close and Kill. It's just very hard to put it in most builds.

[tame lodge]

Shock Trooper applying to non las would break the game

That's just the truth

[lilac stump]

just small arms. Bolter and Plasma are not small arms.

[tame lodge]

Vraks5 is THE dps monster

Vigilants have access to Surgical

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[tame lodge]

Zarona revolver has surgical

Hell Mortis Trials showed us what crit=free is capable of doing

[lilac stump]

Great meanwhile: OGryn can pretty much tank anything, that's not broken. Zealot can delete anything at close range. Psyker just has infinite stun and no downside. But somehow what would break the game is the veteran having a bit of power fantasy like the rest of the classes :/

[tame lodge]

cues Onslaught recon shock trooper

[wise fossil]

Just learned that Devil's Claw is a nutritional supplement

[tame lodge]

[lilac stump]

If the cone of fire wasn't bigger than the side of a barn I would concede... but it is bigger than the side of a barn, so no thanks. it's just a glorified shotgun.

[tall torrent]

lmao

[wise fossil]

Really? Crazy

[grand perch]

yeah mk I shovel is pretty crazy with hotshot helbore

not pswords levels of damage but that cleave

[red robin]

How does that interact with carapace?

Still interrupted?

[grand perch]

carapace still stops cleave, i think

but will need to test

[red robin]

Yeah

I think perfect strike and sunder have those modifiers to be cleave carapace I think

And brutal momentum/death blow if any weakspot kills occur

[faint beacon]

But would this actually make them insanely good is the real question (them struggling with Flamer BPs alone)

[tame lodge]

You can shoot them more for free

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[faint beacon]

Won’t lie it’ll barely help with them not feeling like shit at times LMAO

besides it’s ammo Econ is great it just lacks damage

[tame lodge]

And hit reg

[red robin]

trueee

[tame lodge]

😭

[red robin]

i want to know the mix max science for optimal game adjustments that make hit registration crisp

other than server jank

[lilac stump]

isn't hit reg only server side, meaning you can't really do much about it ?

[tropic notch]

Flamer bp?

[sleek garden]

https://x.com/CurseForge/status/1912536465713561833?t=-zsp2jksHXxYikaas5mEuQ&s=19

CurseForge (@CurseForge) on X

X · Apr 16, 2025, 4:00 PM

Ogryn frag bomb

[tropic notch]

The truth nuke

[faint beacon]

Did you Crit? 1 burst headshot

You didn’t? They live

1k on damnation btw lmao

[tropic notch]

Dis why they poopy

I sometimes cry when I dome a tox flamer in the head with a ws bolt pistol and it lives

[lilac stump]

I tested the Vrack5 (that I didn't knew) with that build, and I have to say it's not half bad. Only thing is I get short on ammo (not having survivalist because Iwanted speed).

[grand perch]

id suggest swapping tactical reload for either demo team or rending strikes

[void dragon]

What mk of the Taxe is good for vet?

[narrow frost]

7

or 2

[void dragon]

Both are good? What each does better?

[narrow frost]

been awhile since I used 2,but I think its just opposite directions of heavy attacks

7 is what I use

[tropic notch]

He was shy

[lilac stump]

What do you put on infantry autogun perk wise ?

[grand perch]

taxe 2 is my least favorite, only vanguard heavies

i want a strikedown

[tropic notch]

The are strike down

I’m pretty sure

[grand perch]

not really

[lilac stump]

I guess "hit and run" and "Fire Frenzy"/"Deathspitter"

[gilded raft]

those are blessing, but yes, close quarter damage (I think it has dumdum iirc, so... that one first). For perks, carapace if you use it for crushers (kinda needs onslaught to be good at that, probably better paired with a melee weapon for crushing crushers), otherwise flak/maniac

pretty good vs monstrosities with the unyielding perk and focus target if that's more your speed. kinda depends on how well you headshot with it (it crits nicely)

btw, use mk5

[lilac stump]

that's what I'm using, So dumdum is better than fire frenzy, because it only require hit instead of kill right ?

[fervent quest]

What's TAxe do that Rashad can't? Not being smarmy genuinely curious if there's a niche it has over combat axe

[tropic notch]

Well the combat axe is just better ngl the tac axe is just something to use for fun

[fervent quest]

Oh fair enough. I thought maybe there was like one specific thing tac axe was better at, perhaps

[gilded raft]

exactly. you can do both though

the gun isn't all that accurate at range anyway, so close damage covers most of your targets

[uncut pebble]

Much faster and you can stagger things that otherwise couldn't be staggered.

I dont know about the other mks but mk2 can chain heavy forever and stagger ragers to death.

[gilded raft]

crit scaling, speed

[uncut pebble]

Like rashad is still gonna murder hordes faster but the main draw of taxe is safety.

Oh and taxe can do the haha funny mutant headshot stagger.

[fading yarrow]

https://youtu.be/prw4OBPqO6I?si=Xjc92jUDGzLDNZPf

[cinder token]

playing more vet and want to lvl up some guns and do penances

that's what i'm running rn https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9eb1651e-5da0-4d68-95c7-b1203723015b
playing exe stance feels very difficult, i feel very vulnerable
and i always have horde clearing problem unless i run psword, i feel heavy sword should be good at it too (skill issue)
the skill tree doesn't feel amazing too btw, i'm tempted to take the same things over and over, the difference is like 5 or 6 nodes

[calm shard]

heavy sword with brutal momentum+headtaker is what I use with exe stance

running a helbore since it kills crushers

and shredders

[cinder token]

i think the only reason i find horde clearing challenging is because i've been playing purgatus/trauma staff for 120+ hours

i never developed the skill

[calm shard]

yeah that'd do it

[acoustic hedge]

What are people building on the talent tree for stub revolver?

[calm shard]

nothing unusual that's for sure

[acoustic hedge]

are you taking that middle grenade node also?

[cinder token]

this tree looks familiar. like 90% of other vet trees 🙂

[calm shard]

okay do some weird shit instead then

nerd

[cinder token]

no i will do the same boring shit everybody does

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/mrfresh-sad-cat-awkward-you-fr-rn-gif-12281662479441162282

[acoustic hedge]

could I take Marksman instead of twinned blast?

[cinder token]

it wasn't a punch at you, it's just obvious that vet's skill tree needs good rework

[calm shard]

yeah

[acoustic hedge]

whats a good melee to pair with stub revolver on this tree, or are all of them pretty viable

[calm shard]

power sword is the current only meta melee option for Havoc

in normal gameplay the Knife, Dueling Sword, Rashad Combat Axe, and to a lesser extent MK IX Heavy Sword are all usable

[acoustic hedge]

what do you typically run for curios

[calm shard]

1 stamina 2 toughness

[acoustic hedge]

Ive got 3 toughness w toughness, ability cooldown, and revive ally speed (I know I need to fix this)

[calm shard]

stamina regen, ability cooldown, and +toughness is what I use on curios

[acoustic hedge]

is all that stamina so you can block and push more?

[calm shard]

yeah

veteran has the slowest base stamina regen delay in the game at 1.25 seconds

[hybrid token]

just did the most unhinged 39 havoc, most chaotic mission ive ever done

[pseudo portal]

Howdy Fellas
What is the "Dump Stat" on Plasma Gun?
Thermal Res?

[red robin]

aint it just 1?

kuli guides are my fav

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

69 thermal allows you to shoot 8 times before overheating

And Charge affects your charge to fire

So basically dps

[tall torrent]

1s

[calm shard]

god

every time

[plain dew]

pls i need on overwatch penance

how this work

[pseudo portal]

Is 68 good enough?
Or does it have to be 69 exactly?

[tame lodge]

The breakpoint for 8 shots should be around 68.5 iirc
So if you have a 68 thermal you'll probably have to check if you can shoot 8 times before auto venting on the psykhanium

[pseudo portal]

One more question, Stopping power is the other "dump" technically right?
69 thermal res and 71 stopping power?

[tame lodge]

No it's Charge Rate
Stopping Power affects damage

[pseudo portal]

Understood
69 Therm and 71 Charge.
I'll keep in mind.

[versed mural]

I’m so glad I’m not the only one who thinks this, that cleave is so damn good and hordes get so dense

[urban hollow]

da fuq

is our vets name Dross??

[tame lodge]

Lmao get Sefoni'd

She just called you scum

[mystic oak]

This penance for vet is kicking my butt man

[red robin]

so uh

how does hit mass reduction work?

is it capped?

hotshot tier 1 (bugged) gives 80% hit mass reduction, perfect strike gives 75% hit mass reduction on critical hit

[uncut pebble]

Shovel?

Sk stacks are super good.

[solar valve]

its ok

I wouldn't take it over psword

[hollow ibex]

https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1k0v3am/the_backbone_of_98_of_builds_while_some_still/

not quite right

but at least it didn't get downvoted into oblivion

like the last guy who said vet should prob get a rework

[signal cypress]

So what's the timeframe that veteran gets a fucking melta?

Months? Years?

[formal ice]

The timeframe when Fartshark decides to give veteran something (never)

[signal cypress]

Unfortunately

[solar valve]

Id like to see vet tree be a little less restrictive as well but I think zealot needs the love first

[faint beacon]

"don't worry we haven't forgotten about veteran" Dec 2nd 2024

[loud belfry]

8 months to 2 years take it or leave it

[mystic oak]

What do yall think is a great pistol to pair with my Power sword build?

[faint beacon]

keep in mind the last time Veteran received any weapons was Unlocked and Loaded

September 28th 2024

its been 8 months

[solar valve]

aaaand now its another 8 months

[hollow ibex]

zealot or ogryn really should've been first

[hollow ibex]

that's like 8 days in fatshart time

[pseudo portal]

Any reason to use bolt pistol over bolt rifle?

[hollow ibex]

it's a very different gun

has much better draw, so faster reaction times

and has some interesting blessings that have great hidden synergies with vet / psyker

[void dragon]

people are realizing that veteran is also suffering of the same illnes than zealots and their one build

[hollow ibex]

i think vet's better than zealot in that regard

[austere mica]

A lot better

[hollow ibex]

but yeah still not good, and still needs help

and in other ways compared to zealot

[austere mica]

You have 3 whole grenades

and 3 whole auras

[hollow ibex]

2.5 grenades, and fire team is only ever taken because of pathing

[austere mica]

better than 1 and 1

[hollow ibex]

i've been trying an immo nade build, and it's actually not bad

you can fit all the necessary talents in depending on the weapon

stunstorm was very annoying though

[austere mica]

Yeah but it costs 4 more points than running tknives

[void dragon]

issue i have is that each side of the perk tree doesnt feel like it has any real theme, its all generic except stuff like the lasgun ammo on crit

[hollow ibex]

but yeah the aura situation is ass

[calm shard]

right side of the tree is hybrid melee, middle is anti-armor/single target, left side is headclicker extraordinaire

[hollow ibex]

yeah

i think vet's themes are a bit too strongly delineated if anything

resulting in tax when you inevitably have to mix talents from different parts of the tree

[void dragon]

is not even equally made, the right side has a different structure than the rest

[calm shard]

all but guaranteed to have to grab shit you don't want to get talents you need

[void dragon]

and honestly the middle one feels more like grenadier if you ask me

[calm shard]

I don't really care about getting extra ammo 99% of the time

But I really like having superiority complex and marksman

[solar valve]

vet tree just feels expensive

[hollow ibex]

middle's just the squad leader / support archetype imo

[solar valve]

you want all the stuff on the bottom third

[tall torrent]

swap superiority complex with fully loaded

[acoustic hedge]

what are the best blessings on boltgun

[void dragon]

left side is weakspot damage and ammo preservation, middle is support/survivability early on and then some generic damage before keystone, right side is rapid fire/attack weapons favouring melee

man can someone explain me whats the idea on the extra nodes of weapon specialist? always prepared and fleeting fire sems not meant to work together but they are in the same line

[void dragon]

iirc puncture and pinning fire is a good blessing combo, you can check the guide in pin for some more details

[fading yarrow]

Random: "I need to grind Havoc assists so I like demoting and playing in 1-10"

Me: "Oh okay, I'll demote from 30"

R: "So what do you play Havoc for?"

M: "Oh I need to grind Havoc assists"

R: "Oh I can't stick around then, I need to grind Havoc assists" leaves

[terse idol]

@sleek ruin Check ze pins

[sleek ruin]

who are you

[safe spoke]

anybody else having trouble swapping weapon marks?

[frank basin]

it is the stats display error?

[safe spoke]

not sure, i click the first sword variant, and when i back out its still the mark 6 instead of the mark 9

[frank basin]

try switch and wait for moment and back out, see if is changes; that's what i do

other i think is network issue

[safe spoke]

ok, ill see if that works

thanks regardless

[terse idol]

[frank basin]

SMEEGEL

[terse idol]

dat me

[frank basin]

Hai

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/nsza-gif-26558816

[acoustic hedge]

what blessings and perks are good for double barrel shotty

[gaunt hare]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-wilds-uth-duna-truth-nuke-true-explosion-gif-7665580920288066795

[hollow ibex]

if you're running weapon specialist: flakiac + flechette/manstopper

hate it so much when the game just fucking decides

QP is going to be nothing but lights out

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-funny-jump-lights-off-gif-16683464

[fading yarrow]

I think I have gray in my hair now

Just completed a Havoc with Pox Gas and Daemonhost rituals

Thank God Almighty for golden Toughness

[grand perch]

you havent lived until 2 DH rituals spawn somewhere in the pox gas while twin bosses plus a normal boss wipes the floor with you and your team

[fading yarrow]

[vale ledge]

tf is a scab radio operator-

Wait oh god dont tell me theyre adding an enemy that buffs nearby enemies by existing or worse-

[grand perch]

Nah he's just there to drop Jesper Kyd's sick beats

[regal belfry]

hope you only get pox gas

[placid portal]

Thought they were 1400

[junior grail]

Welcome to MoebianBeats Radio 777.0FM, where we play contagious hits like Warp Traveller, Gauntlet and Disposal Unit.

Tune in for our special Guest Talk with Joseus Roganiel right after these pox-inducing subliminal messa- ...I mean, infomercials. Papa Bless!

[trim steppe]

I love pox gas, unlimited green stims makes it easier than a normal mission

[regal belfry]

it reeks of HERESY

[sharp epoch]

pox gas havoc

😭

[regal belfry]

i like personally lightsout and ventilation purge

feels like strike missions

[junior grail]

Maybe a new boss can shut off the lights temporarily

[fading yarrow]

I'm down to 27 Penances, but realistically it's more like 24 (discounting Purge The Heretics V, VI and VII)

[regal belfry]

sounds like a dh thing

[fading yarrow]

Bulwarks 4/5
Crushers 4/5
Reapers 3/4/5
Maulers 5
120 kills in 30s
155 Rescues
14 Vent Purge missions
46 Pox Gas missions (Havocs don't count for some reason)
15 PSI missions
196 Auric missions including 12 more AuMael
22 Havocs, 8 Havoc Caches, H35+ with no downs
30 Mortis Trials, sub-25 minute Malice+ Mortis Trial completion

[junior grail]

A daemonhost with control

[grizzled pebble]

68 thermal and 72 charge speed also works.

[regal belfry]

it does by me

[grizzled pebble]

Ye i can get the same amount if shots out before hitting 100%

[regal belfry]

8 shots 100% heat, 7 shots 95% heat

[queen sky]

is there a reccomended method for farming the Smoke Screen penance? trying to do it in pub games is taking forever

can't find anything on google

[dawn siren]

I would recommend Mortis Trials for farming Smoke Screen penance. You can throw a lot more grenades compared to other game modes and grenades themselves can actually do some useful things with the right buffs picked (heal teammates or stun enemies)

[queen sky]

hmm that's true there's a shitload of enemies in mortis trials

thankyou

oh man YEAH it's going gangbusters in here

[loud belfry]

mortis seems goated for any penances

[stoic thorn]

I saw a guy named doran and wanted to make a Duran Duran joke but I crashed before I could

[loud belfry]

god stepped in to stop your sin

[toxic crypt]

God? You mean Emprah, right Sah?

[loud belfry]

of course!!

[toxic crypt]

Right, just makin' sure, Sah!

[loud belfry]

why wouldnt god refer to the emperor?? you thinking of some other god, SAH??

[toxic crypt]

Them 'eretic snivellers say there's other gods, but they are dumb, not like me with me bone'ead.
Was just makin' sure you aren't a sniveller like them.

Also, Metalface talks about Omni... Omniss...
Ah grut it!
Metalface talking about Machine God!

[toxic crypt]

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqUbQ7Ceu8

and ofc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-U_EdHkncE

[alpine sable]

What would you alls says is the best spread of stats for the helbore lazgun, i have been building mine but i look at the stats and its 80 damage and 70~ ish for the rest and i dont think that im at peak heretic melting build ‘ere

[loud belfry]

dump stability according to the veteran guide (in pins(helbore on page 42))

[alpine sable]

Hmmm i see i like your thinkin smart man

[tame lodge]

Are you going perfect strike + Hotshot?

https://tenor.com/view/ashita-no-joe-joe-yabuki-i-haven't-even-thought-about-that-anime-tomorrow's-joe-gif-394985329860232586

It'll probably cap at 100 though

[eternal cove]

best weapon for headshots?

[tame lodge]

Helbores
Vigilants
Zarona revolver

Agripina shotgun special shot

Plasma

Bolt weapons

Infantry Lasguns

Laspistol

[eternal cove]

[tame lodge]

Zarona and Plasma have a huuuge hitbox thingy so they are easy mode headshot

[eternal cove]

pog, thanks

[normal bay]

Wouldn't recommend bolt weapons with their wonky irons/recoil

[loud belfry]

believe it or not there are mods for that

looks at your roles heh...

[normal bay]

[tame lodge]

The recoil has been under control since FS couldn't fix Bistol
So they bandaided it

https://tenor.com/view/crypto-easy-fix-fixed-job-done-just-a-small-leak-gif-2608197380915810492

[regal belfry]

zarona revolver has aoe area beside piercing?

[dry cloak]

No

It just has fat hitbox

[atomic void]

it shoots beeeeeg bullets

[gaunt hare]

Finally got on overwatch

[regal belfry]

seriously

[umbral scaffold]

My problem with plasma is when I have to much lags

[gaunt hare]

“oh boy i can’t wait to try out plasma” and then the game just turns you into a sienna explosion

[umbral scaffold]

But I don't want to be stuck with bolter forever I try to change weapon from time to time first was revolver, I made a sweet plasma gun and for now it on the shelf

[regal belfry]

i played sienna

[gaunt hare]

I play her too

[regal belfry]

was fun dotting

coruscation or beam staff where with fire sword on bw

but necro was fun aswell

[cinder token]

are vigilant autoguns just infantry lasguns but a bit worse?

[regal belfry]

two variant are burst rifles

[umbral scaffold]

My favorite was unchained with flail

[red robin]

Does that mean infinite cleave or nothing burger

[regal belfry]

hope with bolt or beam

[umbral scaffold]

Bolt

Never liked beam

[regal belfry]

scythe was neat on her aswell

[regal belfry]

beam is weird but really good

burblescourge does not like the dot laser pointer

it had after 1-2s beam holding burst

[umbral scaffold]

The team competing in each other was so buffing one time I remember said that I'm like the living fire of the mountain

I miss that

[regal belfry]

the other class i played most was kerillian shade

[umbral scaffold]

I will go back to play Vermi I know that

I've played mostly Kruber Merc and Grail

[faint beacon]

yeah mb thats Tox Bomber Values but for both Tox and Scab flamers you'll miss a 1 burst headshot

[cinder token]

is deadshot + target down meme?

looking for ways not to be out of stamina if I use deadshot

[grand perch]

deadshot just isnt a good fit for most weapons

on those that do want deadshot, you can certainly go for target down

but then youre passing up on WS, which is what you typically take for revolver and the likes...

[red robin]

erm

marksmen focus and tunnel vision kinda solid for stamina regen

probably is decent on vigilant rifles that have slow firerate

also the finesse increase would do good with the crit and headshot incentive

[cinder token]

thanks!

[plucky linden]

is there any difference in cleave by charge up plasma shots vs normal shots?

i heard there's no real reaon to use charged up shots, is that true?

[austere pine]

my havoc rank got erased. i'm getting declined with havoc forged...

[pastel zealot]

it punches through stuff more if you charge it. bulwarks, things behind walls, etc. sure they hit harder, but you're better off just left clicking

[loud belfry]

step 1: have a based and epic name
step 2: be accepted

[grand perch]

it goes from 50 cleave up to 100

which is ludicrously much, basically infinite

...you still want to not charge in 99% of cases

[pastel zealot]

i know that DS is usually the go-to for running stuff, buuuut....anyone use shock maul or rashad axe much?

or even power sword?

[acoustic hedge]

Power sword gets used a lot

Shock maul is ok for maulers and ragers but only if theres one

the whole shock animation leaves you vulnerable

[queen sky]

mortis trials was for sure the right choice

thanks @dawn siren

[red robin]

damn

hotshot kinda fun

[queen sky]

the resulting drip is immaculate

[cinder token]

rashad is fun

[red robin]

80% hit mass reduction on headshot feels nice with shock maul

[hollow ibex]

all the mode is good for tbh, farming penances

[pastel zealot]

how useful is the 10% rending node?

[hollow ibex]

really depends on the weapon

weapons with good adms like plasma/bolter? basically useless

[pastel zealot]

gotcha

[hollow ibex]

but with weapons like laspistol that have bad adms on certain enemy types, very good

and applies to melee weapons too ofc

[pastel zealot]

hey Siro, can you help me with something rq?

i have 1 point to plug in but no idea where to stick it

https://i.imgur.com/NDTyV6Q.jpeg

should i just go for the 5 to 8 stack node?

[fading yarrow]

Take the red node branching off of Fully Loaded

[pastel zealot]

https://i.imgur.com/NrssU56.png

i took off natural born leader

[fading yarrow]

[pastel zealot]

idk if thats a mistake compared to having 8 stacks

of focus target*

[tropic notch]

Born leader is pretty good

[pastel zealot]

also, two questions:
Which mark for power sword is generally better?
and after activating it, do y'all heavy attack or light attack?

[tropic notch]

Makes your team immortal with shredders

[fading yarrow]

Oh I didn't realize you don't have Rending Strikes, not used to the squished format; I suggest swapping out the eight stacks for Rending

[faint beacon]

Mk6

[tropic notch]

Mk6

[faint beacon]

It’s the only one that can special cancel

[fervent quest]

The new mask with goggles in the store goes great with the infiltrator set

[fading yarrow]

Mk3

Jk Mk6

[fervent quest]

Activated light attacks for hordes
Activated push stab for heavy elites

Edit: the Achlys Mk 6

[pastel zealot]

kk

[pastel zealot]

https://i.imgur.com/iXFeis0.png

[fervent quest]

Reciprocity and Desperado on the right are so crucial to making Vet melee feel good idk how to skip on those

[queen sky]

that would involve paying real money for virtual clothes, unfortunately

it does indeed look great

[austere pine]

finally someone using that helmet

[red robin]

wtf

i was just thinking of fishing for an optimal plasma

emperor decided here you go bubby

[lean vine]

for Plasma dump stat is Charge Rate

[red robin]

apparently the science is 71/69

8 shots

before overheat

[lean vine]

yis :3

[red robin]

im using the vet guide as the reference

[loud belfry]

it has no singular dump stat

[lean vine]

can u elaborate?

i was left with the impression that the "optimal" would be to have 1 stat at 60

[pastel zealot]

Didn't they do a change recently that made it so the 69/71 wasn't the god roll anymore?

[loud belfry]

for many and most weapons, not plasma I guess

[loud belfry]

I heard they did make a change but then I also heard that the change didn't matter enough so idk

[toxic crypt]

Plasma is one of those guns where all the stats are useful, generally I've heard people say that a 70/70 split is ideal, but dumping charge is fine

[hollow ibex]

time to to bring out the plasma copypasta again

[red robin]

ty

[red robin]

im not educated enough to understand the science

[hollow ibex]

oh nice

[loud belfry]

technically the best is 68, but not all 68s might work

[red robin]

but I am grateful i aint gaslit again

[hollow ibex]

can you just post the entire plasma section at this point

[lean vine]

i learn new things about this game each and every day...thx

[lean vine]

yooo...where'd you pull this from fam?>

[loud belfry]

his guide's steam guide version. I assume it's essentially identical to the one in pins

[tall torrent]

no

16 times the detail

[loud belfry]

is the steam guide version accessible?

[red robin]

its in pins

amazing to navigate

[loud belfry]

is it tho

[red robin]

i mean

i like it

you click on a weapon and it puts you on the page

[loud belfry]

no like it being in pins

[tall torrent]

not yet

[loud belfry]

I see i see

[tall torrent]

full plasma section

[red robin]

worth keeping it tabbed on a 2nd monitor

i finally got my vet arsenal built up

diamantine poverty got hands

what's the science for diamantine?