veteran-class

[agile mango]

thanks man.

are all three keystone modifiers for FT worth it or are some of them not really worth it?

[hollow ibex]

in priority, you want redirect fire (basically mandatory), then the tough/stam recover node on the left (nice to have)

and then skip the 8 stacks

[elder fiber]

8 stacks is a trap and toughness + stamina node is QoL for specific builds

[agile mango]

what makes 8 stacks not worth it? Is the damage just miniscult or does FT stack wierdly?

[elder fiber]

You don't really use FT by waiting for it to fully stack constantly, you kill w/e is tagged which gives you 2 stacks immediately if killed quickly then tag + kill next asshole, rinse repeat

[hollow ibex]

you want to constantly be tagging, so in practice you should basically never have 8 stacks up

[agile mango]

thanks guys, this is great

[dreamy scaffold]

i remember a rabdom raged cause i kept tagging enemies😭🙏🏻

i wasnt spamming

[hollow ibex]

thats weird lol

[faint beacon]

I had people get tilted over me using smokes when I was newer

Now I have the stats to back up I know what I’m doing lmao

[hollow ibex]

they didn't want second hand smoke

can't blame em

[faint beacon]

Besides I don’t think they want to shit talk a 1k Vet who’s actively using smokes LMAO

[fervent quest]

I like WS more cause I'm just negligent in using FT

I mostly tag for sake of visibility, if I'm not constantly tagging I'm leaving damage on the table and not using it to its fullest extent

With WS you get free crits just from playing the game

[sharp epoch]

weapon specialist, ft is useless except for bosses

[orchid hemlock]

whats the difference between medium heavy? 🤔

[hybrid plover]

There are several things that require dodges to proc them.

[dreamy scaffold]

?

[hybrid plover]

Smite completely nullifies those things. And some of them are basically fundamental to a class.

[dreamy scaffold]

huh

[hybrid plover]

That's a major reason why people don't like smykers who do nothing but smite. Ironically, it can end up making things worse for somebody because they can't dodge a target that isn't attacking

Zealots might not be able to get their Damage Resistance or Toughness back. Veterans might not be able to get their crit chance from Reciprocity.

It not only slows the game to crawl, but can actively make things worse for other players if someone isn't smiting mindfully.

[grand perch]

absolute nonsense

[sharp epoch]

what breakpoints does it help with exactly?

[unreal nova]

Only issue is really how much more annoying it is to ping things than just shoot them if you can.

[tame lodge]

Consider heavy as sitting their asses down

[grand perch]

its literally up to 20% damage bonus, plus another near-permanent 7,5% damage for the whole team if you take redirect fire

[trim steppe]

off the top of my head it lets you 1-shot dreg bombers on body shot

[sharp epoch]

ok but damage bonuses only matter if they reach breakpoints

except for bosses

[grand perch]

and you dont think 20% damage DOES THAT?

cant help you then

[sharp epoch]

meh if it can headshot already then it doesnt need it

[trim steppe]

Allows more consistency, not every shot is going to be a hs no matter how good you are

[sharp epoch]

also are we talking about havoc?

[trim steppe]

There's "on paper" stats and then there's "in the middle of 3 hordes and 5 bosses" stats

[sharp epoch]

a guaranteed crit does more than 20% damage also

[sharp epoch]

Yeah I do h40s, send a scoreboard of how well FT does and I'll send one for WS

[trim steppe]

I do h40s too, that doesn't mean youre correct by default

[unreal nova]

You have to factor in the fact that FT also increases damage by teammates, and WS also increases melee aspd and such.

[sharp epoch]

It's one target that usually dies in like one shot typically if your running plasma

[unreal nova]

They both have their uses and playstyle.

[sharp epoch]

thats why I said it only matters on bosses

[sharp epoch]

Ok send a scoreboard of FT vet

H40

[grand perch]

dick measuring as a way of comparing skills is it

[trim steppe]

I thought you said damage doesn't matter, just BPs. What will a scoreboard prove to you

[sharp epoch]

No, it's comparing how well they do

[grand perch]

any number of things happen in a random match

[unreal nova]

But that requires team of equal competency.

[grand perch]

if i pick longshot and happen to do more damage in one match, does that make it a good skill? does covering fire?

[sharp epoch]

I don't think you know what I was saying.. 20% bonus damage for one single target every 10 seconds doesn't matter if you hit breakpoints already

[unreal nova]

At bare min.

You could do more one run because you had to carry harder to compensate for someone.

Or you could do less because the damage is split out more evenly.

[sharp epoch]

Ok show me multiple matches of FT vet??? Idk I just need data

[hollow ibex]

we're still arguing over this

[sharp epoch]

Well, there's no data really to backup the other side

[dreamy spade]

On twinned blast, does the extra nade get nade buffs too?

[sharp epoch]

Yes

[unreal nova]

Is just not as good on smoke and kraks. Kraks may cause you to misaim or just miss things and smoke just makes the area bigger but also kinda will blind you more if you are off a little.

[umbral scaffold]

🔫

[errant carbon]

20% of the time it works every time

[tall torrent]

Heavy stagger state lasts a lot longer and makes enemy mass 50% instead of 75% (medium)

[tall torrent]

Plasma
Boltpistol
Boltgun
Helbore lasgun

[sharp epoch]

On plasma which breakpoints on havoc? It's hard to test with havoc hp

[tall torrent]

Granted

In havoc

FT is more for team support

Target down scales better since breakpoints start to be harder to reach

Saying it’s “bad” is still wrong tho

[hybrid plover]

Weapon Specialist is more versatile me thinks.

But FT 100% has its uses too, specially in Havoc where health values are upped pretty significantly at later ranks.

[pallid mango]

I ussualy take it anyway cause of that sweet crit chance and melee buffs

Also pairs good with plasma. You just never reload

[hybrid plover]

Likewise. I play Vet more like a Zealot and WS is pretty much the keystone you want for the melee approach.

[pallid mango]

Have you tried it with double barrel?

Kinda fun with weapon swap speed

[hybrid plover]

It's one of my favorite builds lol

[pallid mango]

Yesterday i tried max crit revolver on vet on mortis trials. Together with that no ammo on crit it makes your revolver look like classical revolver from movies

"I have 30 more bullets in my 6 rounder cylinder"

[pallid mango]

Any more fun stuff i can try on vet?

[uncut pebble]

You can do this better on psyker.

Higher damage scaling bc scriers and dd.

[hybrid plover]

Knife/bolt pistol.

[pallid mango]

Yeah, i just wanted free wallhacks

[hybrid plover]

You can either go Lethal Prox for the sweet shredder frag range OR

[pallid mango]

?

[hybrid plover]

And this is my personal favorite. Run n' Gun.

[pallid mango]

On bolt pistol?

[hybrid plover]

Run n' Gun on bolt pistol is so underrated.

[pallid mango]

I didn't quite get it

[hybrid plover]

It basically lets you swap from melee to ranged seamlessly at all times since it completely cancels the sprint to fire time and the reduced spread can straight up let you snipe something from 100m away without aiming because it's that accurate.

[errant carbon]

The bonus damage helps hit breakpoints

Not sure how much the reduced spread actually helps, I'm pretty sure bistol already has effectively perfect accuracy when aiming and after recoil has reset, and poor accuracy (not helped by R&G) if you fire again during recoil

[pallid mango]

So run&gun and lethal prox?

[hybrid plover]

Combine that with the knife speed and you have a genuinely strong build that's just pure momentum and adrenaline.

You can do that but I'd recommend Puncture.

[tall torrent]

Puncture is mandatory

For breakpoints

[hybrid plover]

Yeah the bleed is pretty important.

[errant carbon]

Lethal Proximity is for increasing explosion radius on grenades

[hybrid plover]

And staggering hordes at close range.

[errant carbon]

That too, if you aren't using a grenade or melee for it

[hybrid plover]

So LP or RnG + Puncture is usually my setup

[pallid mango]

I always wanted to try out chainaxe... Which mark is better btw and how one should use it?

[hybrid plover]

It is also the one case. Where I think Serrated Blade actually can put in some work.

[pallid mango]

Pretty much the same VoC WS build right?

[hybrid plover]

Pretty much

[lilac stump]

Is there a way to remove the weird "obscuring" effect from going stealth mode ?

[hybrid plover]

But personally, I tend to branch off to get Serrated and Agile Engagement and ignore the bottom left of the tree.

Some may think that sounds weird.

But it's gotten me some of the best results on Vet ironically.

[tall torrent]

Mod

[errant carbon]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/17

[pallid mango]

Why serated tho when knife has way to apply bleed by just non weakspot hits?

[lilac stump]

Oh I didn't knew mods were allowed in the game. That's how people get a way better endscreen of what they did too right ? I search in option and didn't find it. Or is that havoc specific ?

[hybrid plover]

Because then you can use more direct damage dealing blessings like Riposte, Executor or Precog.

[pallid mango]

Yeha but only 1 stack per hit?

[hybrid plover]

2 now.

[pallid mango]

Oh

[hybrid plover]

It was buffed recently.

[pallid mango]

Well still sounds kinda meh. Maybe it can reach max stacks in 3 hits now instead of 4 tho

[errant carbon]

Yes, the Scoreboard Mod (usually with Ovenproof's Scoreboard Plugin because the base mod is surprisingly unuseful)

[dreamy spade]

3 deranks in a row

Pugs are painful

[hybrid plover]

And typically, it's still not the best option but since the knife has really fast attack speed, it builds up pretty quickly and it synergizes really well with Puncture.

[lilac stump]

As with all games were mods are allowed, is there a "base" list of mods that people would consider mandatory ?

[dreamy spade]

No mods are mandatory, but debuff status and scoreboard are useful

[hybrid plover]

Numeric UI is a pretty strong recommendation.

[errant carbon]

Having any Bleed at all enables Mercy Killer, and being able to stack Bleed does real damage with Uncanny to make it do full damage to all armor types

[hybrid plover]

Funny that I actually still don't recommend mercy killer.

Because the bleed needs to be applied first for the damage boost.

[pallid mango]

Hmm. That actually sounds decent if you put it like that. But does it make any significant diff against lets say crusher?

[tall torrent]

Creature spawner
Scoreboard
Show remaining dodges
Collectible finder
Danger zone

[hybrid plover]

It works against bigger targets but I'd rather just have a blessing that will generally increase my output against everything.

[lilac stump]

THanks!

[tall torrent]

The rest are mostly up to preference

[hybrid plover]

And Riposte does that pretty well I think.

(And the crit sounds on knife just... feel good)

[hybrid plover]

Crushers are one enemy where mercy killer does actually make a pretty noticeable difference.

[pallid mango]

The only reason why i used to run shred and riposte together on force greatsword with SG. Also emphatic evasion was nice)

[hybrid plover]

Yeah, just the weapon feel from crits is enough for me to recommend Riposte but lemme see if I can build this out.

[errant carbon]

Nice to have when multiple Crushers are on you at once, if you are able to deal with just one Crusher at a time they go down pretty fast to the knife's direct damage

[pallid mango]

How many stabs to kill crusher?

[narrow frost]

atleast 2

[errant carbon]

Could run Uncanny Lacerate, which I have on good authority is a bad meme and also the secret meta

[pallid mango]

Ussualy i only run uncanny and lacerate

Feels very good to just stab some ppl couple of times and just forget about them as they are bleeding to death

It's nice to be british:>

[tropic notch]

You have to keep up uncanny by hitting heads and lacerate by not hitting heads

Plus with knife you should always be aiming for the head

[pallid mango]

Uncanny doesn't goes away for missing right?

[tropic notch]

I’d do ft and uncanny

[tropic notch]

It doesn’t but it’s more work to do

[errant carbon]

[this operative was detained upon return to the Mourningstar for carrying a f*rearm without a loicense]

[pallid mango]

So you just git him 2-3 times as zealot and you off to slash other things and your uncanny is always up

[tropic notch]

They don’t know about ripost and uncanny

[pallid mango]

[void dragon]

question: what combination of curios and its perks are considered solid? im using toughness x2 and stamina+3 but 208/150 tough/Hp do feels quite fragile

[pallid mango]

On zealot your crit chance is already like 50-60 so i never felt like i need more crits

[unreal nova]

it's 1 less hit on avg.

[hybrid plover]

Ainz showed me the way on this..mk3 knife with this setups actually really good.

[unreal nova]

I tested. Assuming 1 crit anyway. Might be just my awful luck.

[tropic notch]

Not on zealot lol zealot is precog uncanny with piety

[unreal nova]

Same general build.

[tropic notch]

I thought we were talking about vet

[unreal nova]

I am talking about vet.

I tested my Mercykiller knoife to my normal knoife.

Only diff is one runs bleed on crit and the other is mercykiller.

[tropic notch]

And a ij knife is precog and riposte

[unreal nova]

It takes 1 less atk on avg on my mercykiller for a crusher to die.

Assuming 1 crit.

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent updated? No more unyielding?

[hybrid plover]

Wait, 150 toughness on vet with a toughness curio?

[tropic notch]

What bp does elites hit?

[void dragon]

no 208 toughness, 150 is the hp

[tropic notch]

For all my my classes but ogryn I do 2 17% toughness a 1 3+ stamina

[tropic notch]

Are you sure?

150 hp?

[hybrid plover]

I mean this is in mind that serrated is in the equation. It's not really necessary to have a bleed blessing at all with that so you might as well run something for more direct damage to abuse Agile Engagement and the extra 10% melee damage.

[void dragon]

unless my game is lying to me

[tropic notch]

I’m geeking?

Thought it was 200

[hybrid plover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ea92e5f-8727-4f76-9c12-13e22c742c5d/bleeder-5?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tropic notch]

What the slop

No gunner res, precision strikes, superiority complex, stamina node, catch a breath

[void dragon]

Forrest Gump, the build

[hybrid plover]

...gunner res on the curios???

[tropic notch]

Yarp

[hybrid plover]

Homie, gunner res is actually useless in general application.

[tropic notch]

Uh

Literally every guide here recommends it

[tall torrent]

I’ve not been updating word document for months

[tropic notch]

You silly billy

Well zealot guide does

[hybrid plover]

Gunner resistance provides such a minimal amount of resistance for Veteran with its higher than normal toughness numbers.

[unreal nova]

This is why I keep saying, pester Path to release update/Steam guide faster.

[hybrid plover]

You're better off trying to circumvent the stamina issues Vet has instead with the perks.

[tropic notch]

So what’s the perks on vet?

[tropic notch]

Where da stam node then

[tall torrent]

I think I have flak + unyielding rn?

[hybrid plover]

There is no Stam node.

[tall torrent]

Not sure

[tropic notch]

It’s needed for knife

[hybrid plover]

It's not lol

[tall torrent]

It’s quite good for knife

[hybrid plover]

It's good. But not completely necessary.

[dreamy spade]

Love it when a demonhost triggers even though the ritual never appeared on your screen

[hybrid plover]

Hell in my case I don't even run a toughness curio at all.

Just pure stamina.

[dreamy spade]

Just dont use knife on vet

Doesnt work

[tall torrent]

I’m still unboxing my pc

[tropic notch]

Show us

[unreal nova]

One of each, a nice balance though some people will reeeee at not enough toughness.

[hybrid plover]

He lied as easily as he breathed.

[tropic notch]

Specs?

[hybrid plover]

Nah me like stamina.

[tropic notch]

And that better not be a pre built

Got this coming

[tall torrent]

It is a pre built my friend bought
And I got it from him

With that said

[tropic notch]

That’s good

[hybrid plover]

Pre-builts aren't that bad these days tbh

[errant carbon]

Oh, I should add Weapon Customization Mod so you can start putting reflex sights on other guns

[tall torrent]

It costed me barely more than its GPU’s MSRP rn

[tropic notch]

What’s the gpu?

[tall torrent]

4070ti super

[tropic notch]

Damm that’s good

[tall torrent]

4070ti super
i7-14700f
48gb ram
1tb ssd

[tropic notch]

I’m not upgrading to any 50 series

[tall torrent]

Also considering getting a new 1440p monitor

Unsure yet

[tropic notch]

Definitely

Please you have everything to run it

[tall torrent]

Fund me

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-yes-sir-gif-9677227512883570825

[tall torrent]

[crimson pebble]

make sure to light the right incense and recite the correct prayers

[dreamy spade]

3 demonhosts in the same place

2 rituals and a normal dh

[crimson pebble]

had twins a captain and two hex spawns once

[narrow frost]

sorry

my bad

[tall torrent]

Need to convince my dad that spending 220 bucks on a new monitor is worth

[tender rose]

After the issues I had with my last MSI board I wouldn't get another. Let alone one that costs over a grand.

[tropic notch]

Well I’d just have to Email msi

There customer support isn’t bad

[tall torrent]

Ok foam extracted time to plug it in and test

[tropic notch]

Taste test the foam

[tender rose]

Lol, sure. No one could tell me why the board was unable to control LEDs for 6 months until a random beta BIOS fixed it. Then one of the ram slots suddenly stopped functioning, reseating it fixed that. Then about a year later I turned on the system and it sounded like someone was blowing a fog horn inside my case. I sent them another email from another machine I own and they said it sounded like the board wasn't properly grounded. Literally nothing had changed between when it was working and not. They never offered any additional help beyond that. And never responded to my rma request.

Switched to an Asus board after that and have had 0 issues.

Hopefully you have better luck

[tall torrent]

Is that why u have bad takes

[tropic notch]

I’ll cry If this board breaks

[tall torrent]

I now need to figure out how to arrange my desk

This thing is heavy

Not sure if my desk can handle it

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/demoted-russian-kid-russian-kid-crying-discord-mod-gif-23854964

[tall torrent]

30 pounds

Hmm

[tender rose]

But generally the most expensive boards that any company produces actually get the least support from the bios team. As they are a very low margin and low volume part. The same goes with the cheapest boards.

[loud belfry]

why

[tropic notch]

I did say I’m building a pc that’s completely over kill

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NVcZjn this is what I have left to buy

[loud belfry]

9950x3d?

probably dont have it cuz it's new

[tender rose]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-amateur-hour-gif-20673985

Building completely overkill PC
Gives it an air cooler.

[tropic notch]

No need I’m not doing heavy work loads or editing tons of things

[tropic notch]

Yarp I hate aio maintenance

[loud belfry]

not much of overkill then

especially not "completely"

[faint beacon]

Now play Intravenous II on it

[tropic notch]

I mean what benefit would the 9950x3d would give me over the 9800x3d in gaming?

I’m pretty sure it’s none

[lusty ether]

not a lot

[loud belfry]

3% apparently

but i mean

[narrow frost]

atleast 2

[loud belfry]

what does a $1000 mobo give you

over a $500 one

[lusty ether]

bigger number is bigger

true facts

why not want biggerest numbar?

WHY NOT WANT?!

[loud belfry]

also a 9950x3d lets you dedicate 8 cores solely to gaming, in theory

[tropic notch]

And the ram is the sweet spot I know that

[loud belfry]

more overhead, less performance loss from doing other stuff

[tropic notch]

Mmmm true

[loud belfry]

personally id have just gone $500~ on a mobo and put the saved money towards the 9950x3d

[tender rose]

I'm sorry but what maintenance exactly? Blowing some dust out of the rad and fans?

If you'd said you don't like doing maintenance on an open loop cooler id agree but with aios it's the same as doing it in an air cooler.

[lusty ether]

maintenance?

[loud belfry]

air coolers often are too big to even take out without taking out the gpu too

[lusty ether]

I ran an AIO for like 8 years solidly

[tropic notch]

That cooler is a flagship air cooler as well

[lusty ether]

like the only time the AIO died

was when I replaced the entire machine and the computer sat unused for a couple months

and all the thermal paste dried out off of just that

[tropic notch]

My last 2 that I bought the pumps failed

Should’ve been more specific

[lusty ether]

they tend to be fairly sturdy things

[tropic notch]

They were corsairs

[lusty ether]

so was mine

[tropic notch]

I got unlucky literally

[lusty ether]

see above anecdotal comment about one that lasted 8-9 years

[tender rose]

Probably because you were mounting them wrong. Lmao

[tropic notch]

I ended up taking it to a shop because I couldn’t find a issue

[thorn lark]

I remember a time when good monos were around 80 and expensive ones around 150

[lusty ether]

air coolers have come quite a long way, mind

and, particularly if you go with components that don't absolutely dump heat

[tender rose]

https://youtu.be/BbGomv195sk

[lusty ether]

and don't chase minute frame differences

[tropic notch]

Narp I got told twice that everything was correct

[lusty ether]

you can do fine with air cooled

[unreal nova]

Not if your case is so ridiculously big though.

[tropic notch]

Even let the people who build them for a living do it and it was still acting up

[lusty ether]

my current rig is now air cooled, because I was cheap and decided to spend like £30 on a decent air cooler rather than like £100 on another AIO

[loud belfry]

from what i have experienced the case size will only help a bit. the main problem is trying to jam your fingers inbetween all the existing parts regardless of the case

[lusty ether]

AMD stuff tends to not run stupid power consumption/heat output, as a rule

so it's completely fine, even running hard

[broken spade]

it lets you flex on the poors

[loud belfry]

then you better get a 9950x3d

[tropic notch]

I guess I’m getting a 9950x3d

[lusty ether]

as somebody with very large hands

[tender rose]

They can consume 230 watts and the entire 7000 series ran at 95c out of the box on purpose.

[loud belfry]

AMd is kinda hot not gonna lie

and not in an aesthetic way

[tender rose]

The 9000 series is much better granted.

[unreal nova]

Aren't they all?

[loud belfry]

yeah CPUs are pretty hot for some reason

[lusty ether]

and a 4080 will run like 300+ watts, and a 4090 like 450

what's your point?

[loud belfry]

GPUs make way more heat but i guess they have more cooling stuff dedicated to it

[unreal nova]

I can burn my fingers putting it near the back exhaust.

[tropic notch]

Hold on let me go back to what I had picked before

[tender rose]

One of the dangers of tricking a rock into thinking.

[loud belfry]

even an nhd15 is probably pretty small compared to a large 4080+ sized card

[tender rose]

Apples to oranges.

[lusty ether]

sorry, I was talking amd GPUs

zoned out a fair bit there

it's been a long day

[tender rose]

[lusty ether]

but we were talking about coolers...

...

eugh

somebody throw a rock at me

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-chuu-loona-kpop-anniehasleftoop-gif-24335842

[lusty ether]

rock>gun

[tropic notch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KnnmRV @tender rose @loud belfry this is what I had previously before I decided to cut back some

[tender rose]

If you want overkill sure. But if it's a pure gaming machine if just go with either 9800x3d. Get some decent 6000 mhz ram and a mid to high range board. X870e but not stupidly priced with the features you need. If you don't want to deal with a possible pump failure then grab an air cooler. You don't need a 1200 watt power supply unless you're in 4090 or 5090 territory and even then 1000 watts is fine.

[tropic notch]

Was planning on getting a 5090 in the future if it ever is actually msrp

[tropic notch]

Opps forgot @lusty ether

[lusty ether]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-look-at-me-gif-14138251

[tender rose]

They won't.

[tropic notch]

I figured

[heavy rover]

i mean if it's only for gaming you can just get the 9800x3d instead

[tropic notch]

I occasionally stream but it’s still not preformance impacting

[loud belfry]

i think the arctic liquid freezer 3 is b etter

[heavy rover]

yeah, I've seen streamers with 9800x3d's and they've been doing fine

I'd be cautious against the 5090 because they do have the bad habit of catching fire. the wires can get some crazy current going through them. I'd stay away even if I had the means to get a 5090

[loud belfry]

he already got a $1000 mobo so it's over

we go big or we go home

[heavy rover]

I at least suggest a card that doesn't pull 600 watts on a single cable

and if you want to avoid AIO's and want to go all out, Noctua NH D15 Gen 2 is what I would recommend

[tropic notch]

Is the core parking issue fixed on the 950?

[tender rose]

There is one GPU/power supply combo with the 5090 that actually does active load balancing on the 12v2x6 cable

So it won't catch fire

[tropic notch]

Yeah atm I just have a 4080 super

[tender rose]

It's an Asus setup

[tropic notch]

And I was gonna get a 5080 but it’s literally like 3%

[heavy rover]

the 9950x3d still has the 3D V-cache on 1 CCD instead of both CCD's (so basically only half the cores get the 3D V-cache)

[loud belfry]

yeah they gotta get the ccd's to 10 cores or more (among other improvements)

not sure how they still havent to this day

[knotty iron]

Overwatch is the dumbest achievement in this game, tell me I’m wrong

[tropic notch]

@heavy rover that’s the cooler I have in there atm

[heavy rover]

ah yeah that's the cooler I was referencing

though your RAM might be a bit too tall for the air cooler

[narrow frost]

your wrong, but I can help

[tropic notch]

Ahh I hope not I’ll cry

[heavy rover]

I suggest a lower profile ram like Crucial's Pro kit

[knotty iron]

How am I wrong? How so?

[narrow frost]

you just asked to me told you are wrong

so I did

[heavy rover]

those are low profile and I think those would fit under the Noctua D15

[tropic notch]

I’ll check them out ty

[heavy rover]

I just double checked the Noctua website and it says the Crucial ram is compatible with the D15 Gen2 https://ncc.noctua.at/ram/model/Crucial-DDR5-DIMM-(DDR5)-417/13

[knotty iron]

How can you help tho?

[narrow frost]

I can cheese it

you jump out of the map

I beat the mission

you get the penance

[tropic notch]

So is it more worth it to go with the 9800 or 9950?

Atm I’m leaning towards 9800

[heavy rover]

I'd say 9800X3D

especially if it's mostly for gaming

[knotty iron]

You can finish a malice grade mission by yourself?

[loud belfry]

it's definitely the smarter

choice, to get a 9800x3d

but i mean

[knotty iron]

I would appreciate it greatly if we can do that

[loud belfry]

if you want to make a completely overkill build

a 9950x3d is the thing

[narrow frost]

yes I can, I've solo auric level 5

just need your fatshark code, social menu then press E

[knotty iron]

I’m on ps5 so give me a minute to get it

[umbral scaffold]

Brother....you have no idea what lord ainz is capable of

[narrow frost]

take your time I am launching the game rn

[tropic notch]

That’s true but then again I could say I need a threadripper and 2 5090s

[loud belfry]

maybe you do

[knotty iron]

Code is 6770723225

[tropic notch]

The 2 sl only 5090s

[heavy rover]

usually I'd recommend 9950x3d if you're also using the PC for work and other professional-related tasks as well. Like video editing or something

but for gaming only, then 9800x3d

[knotty iron]

I honestly don’t, I’m just sick of this achievement and the bowling one

[tropic notch]

Yeah for games and the occasional stream it’s the best one

[heavy rover]

yeah, even the 9800x3d can handle streams from what I've seen so far

[loud belfry]

i think the most logical choice is to drop the $1100 mobo, get a $500 one, and use the difference for the 9950x3d. then it makes sense

[analog mural]

On overwatch is not even like B tier on the dumb list

[tropic notch]

It’s already shipped

https://tenor.com/view/demoted-russian-kid-russian-kid-crying-discord-mod-gif-23854964

[loud belfry]

you can return it

even if you used it

[heavy rover]

you can use the extra budget headroom to spice up the aesthetics like custom PSU cables or swap out the fans for Noctua ones

[knotty iron]

What is on the A list?

[narrow frost]

@knotty iron Could you leave the team real quick

game is bugged rn

[knotty iron]

Sorry; I did I think

[narrow frost]

all g

ready now

[tropic notch]

I could but I’ve been wanting this mb for a while, I’d say it’s overkill for gaming lol

[narrow frost]

@knotty iron use my code in my name, and Request to join team

(I hate this bug)

[tropic notch]

I do wanna see the stuff it has like it’s monitoring and such

[analog mural]

2500 barrel kills... Although it's much easier now that fire barrels count it's still stupid

[loud belfry]

what do you even plan to use it for? you're gonna use like 4+ nvme ssds?

[knotty iron]

Ok one sec

[analog mural]

Although the 2500 reaper kills probably tops it now

[tropic notch]

Apparently it’s good if you wanna overclock

I’d have to see it’s advertisement to remember the rest

Plus it’s looks absolutely beautiful

[open panther]

I’m not sure if this is the right place to ask, but does anyone have any suggestions build-wise on how to make the braced autoguns viable for high havoc? Specifically the Vraks version? I’ve been fumbling around with my build and none of them seem to really hold up too well

[tame lodge]

So
Braced auto.......

[knotty iron]

That’s dumb, I meant the achievements in steam or ps5. It took forever to get frenzied killer (2)and shocking stuff

[tame lodge]

Not that good

[analog mural]

Oh, well none of the steam achievements are that dumb... Hell even frenzied killer has another tier in game

[open panther]

Nothing that can make it better? It has its moments and I like the gun, but I really want to make it more versatile than a close range bullet hose

[analog mural]

Well I guess going out with a bang was pretty dumb before it got nerfed

[knotty iron]

True, complete 10 in a row without being down and complete 100 and gone bowling are the only ones I have left for ps5 achievements

[tame lodge]

You can try something like this

But I can't promise it'll be good

[open panther]

Alright. Thanks for the build, hopefully this one will get me some results

[narrow frost]

@knotty iron Request to join now

[void dragon]

Question: is veteran lacking a weapon that is massive AoE centric like the flamer or rumbler? Because even stuff like the boltgun is more on the precision side with a grenade mode

[austere mica]

Yeah they don't have any infinite cleave ranged weapons (this is good)

[stuck gorge]

i dont think any of vets weapons are infinite cleave

[heavy rover]

power sword?

[stuck gorge]

i thought that had a cleave limit

[void dragon]

So they are limited more into the precision side

[austere mica]

Well technically Manstopper exists but no baseline infinite cleave weapons

[tame lodge]

Other than Manstopper shotguns and grenades

[austere mica]

Limited cleave

[tame lodge]

No

No big aoe

[heavy rover]

ah

[void dragon]

No Melta gun, or grenade launcher

[austere mica]

The closest thing to those weapons you asked is Manstopper Dbarrel

Which can hit 120 targets

or 128

[void dragon]

Wonder if that's a reason why frag nades are so important for the veteran

[austere mica]

Infinite cleave

bleed

Shrimple as

You can run without

But they are the best offensive grenade they have

[tall torrent]

[pseudo fiber]

Man who can only game or leave

not both

[tame lodge]

Small ahh keyboard

Looks clean though

Fr fr

[tall torrent]

Using my dad’s old 1080p monitor for test

May upgrade to 1440p later

I doubt this monitor has >60hz refresh rate

[faint beacon]

I mean

it'll do

[unreal nova]

You can just check for laughs.

[void dragon]

Best offensive and defensive considering how clutch the knock back of them can help on res

And with no competition on that spot is easy to see why they are so regarded as best nade

[tall torrent]

I just finished installing windows

[balmy flume]

Uh…Vets?
Why did I just get demoted by failing somebody else’s lower level of Havoc?

[loud belfry]

that's how it works

[balmy flume]

Didn’t the patch fix that shit?

[loud belfry]

until the next week

or whatever

[narrow frost]

you played a havoc that was lower than yours

[austere mica]

Live smokes reaction

[narrow frost]

you do down

shrimple as

[balmy flume]

No, they have a patch supposed to fix that, so that if your own Havoc level is higher, you won’t drop.

[void dragon]

I have an issue with their arming time, but I use a Stealth veteran on the regular BECAUSE I like them

[balmy flume]

But if it is next week, or in the future, fair enough

[loud belfry]

yeah, not yet

[balmy flume]

Ok thanks

[unreal nova]

It's like some time next week. Wait for next big patch notes before trying lower havocs.

[void dragon]

Honestly that's such a good change, glad that is coming relatively soon

[tame lodge]

It's written on the devblog

[balmy flume]

Ok fair, I missed that bit.

[signal zinc]

Today I learned what marks do

...I've been hoarding weapons for no reason

[hollow ibex]

oof

yeah they added mark switching a few months back

i weapon hoard anyway

one weapon for each mark that i use

[slow pike]

KAREN AND THE OTHERS ! Thank you 🙂

[shut orbit]

Started playing again, has the plasma gun changed much? I remember it being uncharged shot spam and charged rate apparently buffed damage somehow, is that different now?

[hollow ibex]

idk the last time you played, but meta's still uncharged shot spam

[shut orbit]

It was probably a year/year and a half ago

Did charge rate affecting uncharged damage get fixed?

[hollow ibex]

yeah

current plasma meta: #veteran-class message

[shut orbit]

Awesome, thanks. My old one was 80 on everything but thermal resist lmao

If I can't find a perfect one would 80 everything but charge rate be best now?

[hollow ibex]

yeah that'd be fine until you get a better roll

i think it's important to be able to fire 8 shots

[shut orbit]

Yea heat is suffering on my 60 roll lmao

[shut orbit]

I'm trying the recon lasgun for the first time and it seems like people use Infernus, but i'm not sure where the crit chance comes from to make it proc often?

Shock trooper also isn't doing much of anything because the crit chance is so low

[hollow ibex]

take reciprocity

talent, top of the bottom right of the tree

[shut orbit]

Oh right, I did take that but I forgot about it in testing lol

[astral skiff]

I nned some explanations here. Im looking at my penances for the Vet. Im seeing ''focus fire', 'weapons specialist', 'close and kill', and '10 stacks(?) of marksman's focus.' What does all this mean?? I throw krak grenades at thicc armored bois, and occasionally shout at my team with the 'voice of command' thing. i have no idea what any of these other things mean, what they are, or how to activate them. Adept Assasin, Focus Soldier, Keep it tight and Killshot ready. I never asked cause ngl, im always afraid to get clowned on for not knowing what should be basic gameplay things. Im a casual player. i take gun, i shoot thing. So... yeah.

[hollow ibex]

are those the keystone penances?

they just reward you for playing with the keystone basically

the purple nodes

[onyx urchin]

close and kill is the passive that speeds you up, far right

i think the penace wants you to just run close and kill and speed others up

[astral skiff]

Wow.. ok so i think im just stupid, hah.

Im looking at my talent tree rn. My purple thing is on focus fire. I guess i just need to tag alot of enemies...? But how do i add stacks? idk what tham means

[onyx urchin]

you gain stacks of focus target over time, and you spend all gained stacks to apply a debuff to enemies you tag that make them take more damage

[unreal forge]

if only this gun functioned half as good as it looks...

[midnight totem]

I think it functions exactly as it looks

[faint beacon]

Give me like a few days and I probably could reply with sections im working on, to literally give you what you need to work on all of those, but tbh Close and Kill you can run passively in a build
Focus Target is literally Tag enemy and kill them to get it
Adept Assassin you should run a heavy hitting quick draw weapon so you actually kill a specialist or elite with the crit, try to get 3 ranged tokens before swapping

[midnight totem]

fancy af and overkill for most things, but an antique against the really hard targets

[onyx urchin]

its a fancy wood-n-gold stockless long-las

[astral skiff]

Dude.. i have a love/hate relationship with the Hellbore lasgun. i love that bayonet. i love the charge up feature.. but am i the only one who hates aiming it? I can hit almost any target with the Kantral or acatran, but i can barely ever hit anything with the hellbor

[midnight totem]

Nah, the sights on it are a common complaint, you're not alone

[faint beacon]

Killshot Ready is literally going to be the most painful one to do but I literally recommend pathing anyway to Marksmen Focus Keystone with the basic veteran needs to keep yourself alive, take Camoflauge and a Knife

and literally never stand

always crouch

and only dodge

from side to side

[midnight totem]

why a knife?

[faint beacon]

literally the easiest way to permanently have 10 stacks

[midnight totem]

just crab walk with the powersword

[faint beacon]

More movement

[midnight totem]

sit infront of spawns

[faint beacon]

Literally just abuse the shit out of knife movement

[midnight totem]

fair enough

[astral skiff]

hmm i see

not looking forward to that

[midnight totem]

you'll get used to it stimky

[faint beacon]

Its literally one of Veteran's most painful penances

[midnight totem]

the penances go by quickly enough

[faint beacon]

armorbane is like the second one but its just tedious

though you can toss it on any armored enemies

including bruisers

[astral skiff]

im actually almost done with armorbane i probably would have unlocked it last mission if that ONE SELFISH KNOB WIHT THE PLASMA GUN DIDNT FRY EVERY THICC BOY I'D ALREADY STUCK

[faint beacon]

Just throw them at Melee Scabs if you have grenade regen talents

they're considered armored enemies so it'll stick and count towards armorbane

[astral skiff]

Yeah, i know. I toss kraks at anything with armor.

[rigid pine]

was able to make 2 good bolt pistols, is it better for the dump stat to be stability or mobility?

[unreal nova]

Mobility or collateral.

You do not want to dump stability on it.

[rigid pine]

thanks!

[unreal nova]

Oh, collateral is the better dump for aurics, mobility is for havoc if I remember ppl's comments on it. Or was it for recon for collateral?

[bleak dust]

Is the 71-69 Plasma still meta? I found that there was a fix in an older patch note where it said that, supposedly, charge rate doesn't affect uncharged shots anymore.

If this is true, wouldn't charge rate be mostly useless?

"Fixed issue with the primary attack overcharging differently with different Charge Rate stat values."

Here's a link https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-traitor-curse-part-2-anniversary-update-out-now/88606

[grand perch]

thats a fix that caps the damage of the uncharged shot

as i understand, it used to be possible to charge the primary fire a tiny bit longer for a wee bit of extra damage

charge stat still makes primary fire shoot faster. so the 71-69 thing is untouched

[shut orbit]

What's a good Power sword stat allocation?

[narrow frost]

if you want to know a weapon perk/blessing and stat dumps check the most recent pin

but dump cleave on Psword

[shut orbit]

Ah, thanks

[shut orbit]

Damage or targets?

[narrow frost]

targets

[shut orbit]

Is the "clv" number the amount of targets it can cleave through? I'd assume so but wanted to make sure

[narrow frost]

ummm

its cleave value I think

every enemy has a different cleave number

[shut orbit]

Right, that makes sense

[sick cedar]

The bolter is surprisingly good for this

Got like 300 kills on mortis trial with it cause I just played as a turret more so

[lilac stump]

that's my issue with Marksman focus... you have to play as a turret even if you can move a bit per hit and kills feels a bit bad. They really need to change the condition on how to loose your stack 😦

[sick cedar]

Yeah

Maybe taking melee damage removes stacks or whatever

But not moving

[dry cloak]

the thing is

if you hit your shots

you can move

a lot

[raw needle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/xZgshGDW1l

what's up with the comments? doesn't charge rate/thermal dump still give you the BP?

[dry cloak]

headshot kill is 6 secs of free movement

iirc

[grand perch]

zealot of all classes tells you to lighten up

[lilac stump]

idk, I still feel like it's to harsh of a condition. And not really viable at higher difficulties

[dry cloak]

what do you mean by not viable on higher diffs?

because i run exe stance and mmf on aurics and do good with it

[calm shard]

I have tried it at mid havocs like 21-30

The problem with it isn't that you don't do damage. It's that you have 0 tools to turn a bad situation around

Sure you kill every specialist and ranged enemy, but what about the colossal mixed hordes?

You can't kill monstrosities quick enough unless you literally do not miss a single shot while dodging them, and everything else going on

And even if you do kill them. It is the only thing you are doing in that moment, because you can't shoot multiple things at once

You're too slow, can't multitask, and can't help with the disaster scenarios that lead to team wipes

[hybrid plover]

technically, exe stance vet can be a serious damage dealer that can go toe to toe with a good psyker in pure output

but that's just it

and vet even without that is more than capable of doing some good numbers

[lilac stump]

that's why before going to the Grenade build, I was trying to play this with a Hellbore. I think it was working (maybe needed some adjustement) and I abandonned to quickly. But I could kinda turn disaster scenarios around going stealth and reviving a teammate and the damage was fine.

[grand perch]

that build could use changes

[lilac stump]

Oh, for sure, it was a moer of an idea than a fully done build

The idea was high mobility sniper kind of gameplay. With stealth beeing used to either add damage to the target you want to take down, or flee a bad situation.

[junior grail]

Question

Does the Suppression Node in lower mid tree help at all?

[lilac stump]

Not that I've noticed but it's mandatory to get the Focus Target keystone.

[grand perch]

sure you can play stealth helbore. i never found that particularily effective, but why not
id suggest doing this though

[lilac stump]

I understand most of it except the fact that you take out the +30% damage on leaving stealth

[unreal nova]

Is 5 secs every 45 secs or so.

[lilac stump]

true.

[grand perch]

Way too little uptime as she said

It should be baked into the skill instead of being a sub node, horribly pointless tax

[lilac stump]

and the critical hit chance with surgical on the weapon doesn't really seem necessary, I already deal mostly critical hits.

[unreal nova]

You rather take CQKZ or the one in the middle that buffs the the team with damage instead since those last twice the time.

And if you are using infil like you use shroudfield, those will give a longer uptime to stab things while they are suppressed.

[lilac stump]

sorry CQKZ ?

oh close quarter killzone

[lilac stump]

no, the idea is to use the stealth to get better positionning and get out sticky situation (an oh Shit button basically) but the main intent is to play mostly ranged. with a las weapon such as Hellbore (kinda meh tbh) or the Infantry Lasgun.

[grand perch]

Recip is an incredibly good pick for melee alone, and will lead to less waiting for surgical stacks for guaranteed crits

[junior grail]

Infiltrate iLasgun viable build?

[lilac stump]

idk trying to make it something and testing it ^^

[unreal nova]

But honestly, most ppl use it to aggro dump, reposition or do objectives so not like it really matters heh. I just used it like a worse shout so.... XD

[placid portal]

Mortis Trials When they give you stealth ninja modifier so you can hack and slash while stealth

[lilac stump]

I mean it's a tool. Maybe not the best tool (I'm still fairly new) maybe with more experience I would go with VoC or Exec Stance

[unreal nova]

Bonus, everyone is sneaky so AI confuse.

[placid portal]

Oh I forgot how it buffed nearby allies with invuln stealth

[unreal nova]

I was confused the first time it happened.

Mostly cos I forgot how infil looks and works. XD

[lilac stump]

I'm liking the leave no one behind, just for those "Oh Shit moment" 20% faster revive is a nice thing to have as utility.

I had it in an earlier version.

[unreal nova]

Is useless though generally.

You don't wanna plan for team going down

[lilac stump]

true. Two other choices would be the "demolition stockpile" since I'm already investing a lot in nades, or the "Target down" for the keystone, to replenish toughness and stamina.

[unreal nova]

Either is good tbh.

Do you have a pic of the current set up?

[lilac stump]

let me do it quickly. DO you mean with curio and Weapons too ? or just the build ?

[unreal nova]

Talents.

Cos 'nadier is usually Bistol anyway.

PS, DS4 or Knoife as weapon, maybe Rashad, but might suffer not enough points like knoife.

[calm shard]

bistol my beloved

what would I do without my 14 meter shredders

[unreal nova]

IKR.

[unreal nova]

So you did manage to get both, heh.

[calm shard]

I would personally do twinned blast instead of the FT upgrade but that's me

you'd also get more personal value out of reciprocity/desperado than FT in general

[unreal nova]

But yeah, if you plan to go all in on 'nades, Lethal Prox Bistol is the way to go.

[lilac stump]

I already have a nade focused build, I'm also in the idea that Infiltrate is probably just a fase until I feel more confident in dodging get out of bad situation by myself, since exec stance seems to be way better for what I want to do. As I said I see it as an easy "Oh Shit" button. To go and disappear rather than doing the proper thing which is dodging and regroup with the team.

[unreal nova]

Why aggro dumping.

[lilac stump]

Someone advised me to do that. I've never used that node before so I'm giving it a try.

[unreal nova]

It's just extended aggro dump.

[grand perch]

I did because it's gud

It's basically 10 seconds of doing whatever you want/need to do added after stealth itself

[unreal nova]

I personally hate being aggro dumped on so I just hate it in general.

[tough tiger]

what was that? u want 40 red bulwarks on you?

ok going stealth now

[frank basin]

[unreal nova]

This is exactly why stealth sucks arse.

[stuck gorge]

Honestly they should add the mortis group stealth modifier to normal

It’d be silly

simply decrease timer stealthed for each extra teammate

[lilac stump]

Is survivalist actually usefull? Because 1% seems very low, when you have Fire team right beside it that gives you 5% damage

[stuck gorge]

Think about it this way, in higher difficulties the game will send you a few hundred specialists, so over the course of the game you are given a few ammo crates worth of ammo for the cost of an aura slot

It got nerfed so that multi kills on specialist only provide 1% ammo instead of how many kills there were because of the cooldown

[calm shard]

It's not really, but it's very useful in Havoc specifically

[lilac stump]

True, but the fact that they only give you 1% every 5s means that no matter what you'll be loosing ammo, and that 5% damage could represent a lot of ammo crates in the long run too that you didn't spend the ammo. if it makes sence.

[calm shard]

Because havoc reduces the ammo gained from every other source of ammo

I think vets actual "best" aura in terms of effect is the 5% movespeed one

You need 10% movespeed with most weapons to run faster than poxwalkers

[stuck gorge]

According to the game, within 5 seconds I already made my team move 10k meters with that aura

[calm shard]

5% damage for free is obviously pretty solid too

[stuck gorge]

yea it just depends on your teammates too

If you got 3 psykers using staves the survivalist is losing a lot of value

[calm shard]

You can lose a lot of value from it even with teammates that do use ammo

Just because they aren't gun builds and don't use it very often

I can finish an entire havoc mission on my gun psyker picking up like a single ammo tin with how infrequently I use my gun

And then on the complete opposite side of the spectrum with gunlugger ogryn that uses their gun so damn often that your shitty little 1% is not going to be enough

[lilac stump]

Also when going for survivalist what's the better node previous to it ? My guess would be "Get back in the fight"?

[calm shard]

no

catch a breath is far better

[stuck gorge]

Catch a breath is just free toughness regen as long as you can dodge/avoid melee reliably

[lilac stump]

but catch a breath as written, you just need to be the target of a melee attack to loose it. doesn't matter if you dodge it.

[stuck gorge]

Fatshark words stuff terribly

[calm shard]

yeah it's worded stupidly you have to actually be hit

[stuck gorge]

It’s just don’t get hit, even if you block it

[lilac stump]

Oh ok makes more sense.

[desert viper]

is rampage good on power sword?

[frank basin]

I don’t know rampage exist on power sword

[red robin]

True, with brutal momentum and power cycler, what other blessings are there to use

Mayhaps sunder

[calm shard]

sunder was only useful because of the absurd hitmass of old havoc

moebian poxwalkers are gone so it doesn't matter anymore

[lilac stump]

on a lasgun what would you put I guess head Hunter and Deadly Accurate ?

[dry cloak]

ilas? headhunter ghost

[calm shard]

Ghost, and Headhunter/Infernus

Infernus only good for IIb

[pseudo fiber]

eyyyy

aww

Hunting god roll plasma just reminds me of old crafting lol

[unreal nova]

66 ripper is just as bad. But hey, at least 68-69 thermal 72-71 charge works.

[pseudo fiber]

I hate reddit I hate reddit I hate reddit

[unreal nova]

Is normal. They think they are smarter than the math nuts that already figured it out.

[stuck rock]

Reddit is usually made up of Ogryns without the strength or the innocence

[faint wedge]

Smh have no idea how some people graduate

[unreal nova]

Cheating from what I heard. AI or otherwise.

[void dragon]

so heretical ogryns, shameful

[lilac stump]

please refrain from insulting the Ogryns.

[plucky linden]

whats the deal with ammo recovery aura?
Why plasma often only getting 1 "round" from it, when entire ammo reserve is ~290+ , and that thing is supposed to recover 1% per special (with a cooldown)

[lilac stump]

1% every 5s on killing elites -> You will loose ammo every time, because you need to kill way more than 1 elite every 5s

and I agree that it doesn't seem to give you 1% anyway

I have 900 ammo reserve with my ilas and it gives me maybe 5 more shots. Also I don't really see the point on ilas to put that I have x amount of reserve when every shot uses 3 of that reserve

[grand perch]

Usually it's best to use the aura with cheapest pathing, except if you have a specific plan to achieve something in particular. Like picking 5% damage because it helps a ton with bistol BPs

Survivalist is still good, free ammo can't be a bad thing

But I only take it if it's on the way or if it's a havoc build

[dry cloak]

old survivalist on dog missions

[lilac stump]

But by that same logic 5% damage is also free ammo. It's 5% free ammo, since the damage can be converted in shots 🙂

[dry cloak]

free ammo

[grand perch]

I don't think that conversion fits

If you already kill a special in one shot, you haven't gotten 5% ammo from it

[trim badger]

I found 66 ammo ripper on the rotating shop

[lilac stump]

it's a bit more complicated than that I agree but the conversion could be done (wouldn't probably convert to 5%)

but it doesn't give me 1% I have 97+810 ammo in total, killing an elite with survivalist on gives me 3 ammo.. it should at least give me 9

[void dragon]

in name of all the gambling ogryns: Nice, good for you, im VERY glad for your luck

[trim badger]

Thank youuu now I need to find the blessings and perks

[plucky linden]

if it'd be giving actual 1%, that would be quite nice.

[dry cloak]

1% of a hundred is 1

[plucky linden]

getting 1 plasma shot back each 5 sec, from team's kills too

so is it bugged?

[dry cloak]

plasma eats more than one ammo per shot

[lilac stump]

Thing is I have 97+810 total capacity (Ammo + magazine) and it gives me between 3-5 :/

[plucky linden]

yes.

[trim badger]

Isn't that because it only gives 1% of the base ammo without considering that talent that gives you more ammo?

[lilac stump]

That would be very dumb but could be indeed

[plucky linden]

even then, it should never give less than 2 for plasma?
But it often gives 1.

[trim badger]

I remember getting 2 ammo per proc

So no idea really

[plucky linden]

it gives 1-2.

instead of 2-3

not even sure why there's RNG in there in first place

i think it's bugged.

[hollow ibex]

i think it's rounding

per proc

[void dragon]

Ripper makes good use of blaze away and insiring barrage, flak maniac +specialist is good for it as perks

[lilac stump]

It doesn't say anywhere that it's 1% of the BASE ammo ... if that's what they mean they should write it 🙂

[plucky linden]

but that doesnt explain the rng.

[hollow ibex]

so if there's a decimal left over from the calculation, it'll carry over to the next proc

[hollow ibex]

@tall torrent can confirm but i don't think it's rng

[trim badger]

Does this also applies to havoc 40?

[void dragon]

if you are using the mk6 cacalcade is a really solid option

[hollow ibex]

ok yup. not rng

[plucky linden]

ah

so it rounds down to 1, with leftovers being saved until it rounds up to 2?

thats bullshittery

[hollow ibex]

rounds down until the next proc

[void dragon]

iirc ripper in general is a good sidearm, good ranged stagger and can kill a fair bit of enemies, and in the right setup it can be considered your utlimate with PBB, putting insane damage numbers

[plucky linden]

even then it should never be 1 on plasma, no? with 80% ammo stat.
I mean even if it ignores +% ammo vet perk

[hollow ibex]

ripp'ers fantastic yeah

idk don't play plasma

[unreal nova]

I can test it, but that's about it. I have a god roll I basically never use.

[stuck rock]

Apologies to the big boys

[dry cloak]

imo rippers are better at ultimate fuck you and twin links are better for general shooting

[hollow ibex]

i only like twinks for the BLO penance

now that i'm done with that, i've gone back to just use rippers

[void dragon]

yeah both seems to have similar-ish damage but twins are just really good vs hordes (kinda bad considering that using ammo for horde clear isnt great but its a reasont why the Stormbrute seems to use twin stubbers quite well)

[dry cloak]

yeah

[faint beacon]

I fucking hate the abbreviation to the twin links name

I hate it so much

Lmao

[dry cloak]

that why i use twin link istead of twink

[void dragon]

fright not, we all do, some just draw joy on seeing other struggle more

[grand perch]

im reasoning, since its max reserve ammo, it only counts the 168 ammo you can have in reserve, and doesnt add whats in your mag

so thats 1,68 ammo per survivalist proc

on every second proc, you get 2 ammo since the decimal is stored for the 2nd proc, so you go over 2

[plucky linden]

so it's a case where Plasma's huge mag acts against it?

[void dragon]

probably a good thing considering how good plasma is to begin with

[junior grail]

I wanna try Revolver Vet

Wanna ask for recommendations for build?

[dry cloak]

exe stance

[grand perch]

not really? lowering the mag size wouldnt make max reserve ammo go up

[dry cloak]

hand cannon surgical with carapace maniac

[hollow ibex]

gotta get those crusher one shots 🔥

[dry cloak]

yep

[junior grail]

Can WeapSpec work?

[junior grail]

Wait fr?? Using the anti ogryn one?

[tall torrent]

point blank + run&gun
unarmored, maniac

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's a bit of a meme build tho

[grand perch]

WS is the better revolver spec, exec is meme

[dry cloak]

very effective meme

[crimson pebble]

not a fan of twinks

[junior grail]

I am curious of the meme build tho haha

[dry cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bhjlVQqQQr8

[loud belfry]

twlink was a viable shortening but for some reason we got twink instead

[hollow ibex]

twink is more concise

and rolls off the tongue

[loud belfry]

tlink then

[grand perch]

twink is fine

[dry cloak]

twin link

tstub vs hstub

[lusty ether]

tub hub

:D

[hollow ibex]

this is what i run

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9e3af0fe-e6aa-4334-9ad1-9ca64609e205

[lilac stump]

I don't know if that would work for a jack of all trade, master of none. Seems a bit overcomplicated, But it has a bit of everything, Nades, Bonus melee and ranged, Toughness, ammo refill

[junior grail]

Oooo

[junior grail]

Is it worth giving up Survivalist?

[hollow ibex]

outside of havoc, survivalist isn't really necessary

[hollow ibex]

skirmisher sucks, don't bother with that

[lilac stump]

I mean you do have ammo refill with the "alwys prepared" if you have lots of ammo in your mag you should be mostly fine.

[hollow ibex]

also you don't need the 10% melee damage node usually

i'd personally go for the 25 toughness at the center bottom

[lilac stump]

Yeah the 10 melee speed seems more worth it.

[hollow ibex]

yeah trench fighter is very good

even if you already have WS

[tall torrent]

Don’t take skirmisher

[lilac stump]

no need for the 10% Ok, I could probably take the +1 nade or what you said the 25 toughness

oh wait isn't agile engaement worth it btw ?

[faint beacon]

Only if Skirmisher actually had a useful function and not be abysmal with how Vet stamina is

[hollow ibex]

i just think vet's tree in general is taxed too heavily for a generalist build

even the 5% crit node isn't great if you have to give up bring it down

[sharp epoch]

they kinda split the good perks in each different tree

[unreal nova]

And people say Vets aren't taxed... >_>

[sharp epoch]

I think another problem is the non talent nodes, even in the beginning it makes you take 3 of them before and after frags

[lilac stump]

also the node to make the nade usefull is kinda BS, (Grenade Tinkerer) it's like mandatory for every build.

I feel that if I don't take it I'm missing out on so much potential 😦

[sharp epoch]

I tested it, it gives it a 2.5m range boost

So it's not mandatory tbh

[unreal nova]

It also adds damage.

[sharp epoch]

initial damage not bleed

[lilac stump]

if you take the krak grenade it's mandatory to one shot though right ?

[unreal nova]

yes, and that helps with things dying.

[sharp epoch]

It's easy to path to with kraks, and I think it one shots crushers and bulwarks fine without it

[unreal nova]

Nope. it one shots everything but bosses already. Unless you mean Havoc.

That one, I'm not sure.

[lilac stump]

hopefully that builds sees Havoc someday 🙂

[unreal nova]

Well, maybe GT on Krak for Mortis as well.

2.5x HP and all that.

[sharp epoch]

Kraks are not that good so probably not

they dont scale well when they only kill one thing at a time when there's like 10 bulwarks running at you

[lilac stump]

So better off using the shredder

[sharp epoch]

If just for the knockdown/stagger yeah

[unreal nova]

But yeah, utility wise, kraks are bad.

[jaunty sphinx]

I wish they weren't because God they're so fun

[lilac stump]

what's better between these 2:

Because both seems fine to my unexpert eyes.

[hollow ibex]

really depends on the weapons you're bringing...

[lilac stump]

I'm going to test with what I have, PS and iLas

[torpid grotto]

I love the movement speed aura over everything

[hollow ibex]

yeah def my favorite aura

[lusty ether]

I find myself not actually enjoying using weapons specialist all that much

kinda feels faffy

that's probably me not leveraging it to its max

[torpid grotto]

Missing out on the ogryn and boss damage node is brutal tho

[lusty ether]

but I dislike having to play around it like that

[torpid grotto]

I only like it if it can reload a weapon like bolter revolver shotgun

Otherwise the points tax is too heavy

[lusty ether]

tbh, I dislike feeling obliged to tag things all the time, too

[torpid grotto]

Yeah

I don’t take keystones lol

[hollow ibex]

it's vet's best/most fun keystone tho

[lusty ether]

I don't find it very fun.

[hollow ibex]

it's really fun with a quick drawing weapon that hits hard

[lusty ether]

It's therefore not the most fun keystone: for me.

[hollow ibex]

and you can get free reloads while you melee

and then bonus attack speed is really fucking good

[lusty ether]

And, after using it a bunch on the advice of people saying it made for best builds, I swapped it out.

Because I wasn't enjoying using it.

[lilac stump]

@cavan, I'm with you on that , but my dream of playing a ranged veteran only has been crushed 😦

[hollow ibex]

try it with revolver or double barrel shotgun

[lusty ether]

I have tried it with revolver.

I do not like the double barrel all that much.

[hollow ibex]

DB is godly

[lusty ether]

What's your point?

I don't like using it.

[dry cloak]

not everyone likes it

[hollow ibex]

it's worth trying again

[dry cloak]

it is really good

[unreal nova]

Is a taste thing.

[lusty ether]

I've been levelling the mastery for it on my zealot.

[unreal nova]

Is why I say, FT or WS are both good. Is playstyle basically.

[hollow ibex]

i don't get what's so unfun about inflicting bleeds on an entire horde lol

[raw needle]

here's your issue

trying out ranged on zealot.....

instead of running a ws build

[lusty ether]

I'm not trying out ranged on my zealot. I dislike using it on things that matter to me.

So I level it on zealot just to have it fully levelled.

[hollow ibex]

sounds like your experience is being colored by the fact that you're leveling the weapon

[lusty ether]

It sounds like you want to dictate to people what they enjoy.

[hollow ibex]

nah

[raw needle]

xddddddddddddddd

[hollow ibex]

i'm just saying i don't think you gave it a fair shot

it took me a while to get used to DB

[dry cloak]

i dictate that meta is not everything

[hollow ibex]

but it's actually really fun

[hollow ibex]

yeah well DB isn't even meta lol

i'd say it's good, but not meta

[lusty ether]

I like popping heads. I like being able to take out things really precisely from a long way away.

Running shotguns on veteran is not fun, to me.

[hollow ibex]

DB can do that

[lusty ether]

I don't mind it so much on ogryn because I can always rock things.

[unreal nova]

I honestly think it's best to judge a weapon at 19 mastery at least. Since you get the most out then.

[hollow ibex]

you can countersnipe snipers

[lusty ether]

I don't mind it so much on zealot because I want to be closer anyway.

[hollow ibex]

and with a proper build

[dry cloak]

agripinna combat shotty

[hollow ibex]

easy to build some guns very wrong

[lusty ether]

Combat shotgun is alright. Wouldn't say it's my favourite gun by a long way.

[unreal nova]

Eh, my build scars some people. I still did WS penance on it, heh.

Took longer, but that's my inability to aim.

[dry cloak]

and thats not a good thing

[lusty ether]

The short answer is that it's not usually a good idea to directly challenge what other people are telling you about their own experience.

If you want to argue it, you argue it from a point of "I find it fun because..."

Otherwise people just slide off and think "fuck this guy. they don't know me beyond what I'm telling them."

[dry cloak]

i find db fun because i can delete hordes

[slow spade]

Na the Emperor said to use Terrifying Barrage in my dreams

Big E would never lie to me

[unreal nova]

I'll only say, try it again at mastery lvl 19, it's better to feel and judge then than lower. Since many weapons feel bad before being maxed.

[hollow ibex]

next time give the weapon a fair shot before judging it

that's all

[lusty ether]

Again. You don't know how much of a shot I have given it.

Beyond what I have just told you.

[hollow ibex]

dude

you just told me you're leveling the weapon lol

that's all i need to know

and quite frankly

[lusty ether]

It's levelled, dude.

[hollow ibex]

if you don't like WS

i don't think vet's the class for you

[unreal nova]

Though I'll never like the plasma or the hellbore. Delayed shots with my ping is atrociously bad.

[lusty ether]

'If you don't like the most meta build you shouldn't play vet'

[hollow ibex]

helbore can be fun, but the draw time is just aids

[lusty ether]

go huff your own farts or something

[hollow ibex]

where do i say that

[dry cloak]

helbore in ist current stae is a aquired taste

[hollow ibex]

i don't like WS because it's meta

i like it because it's fun

[lusty ether]

And round we go, back in a big dumb circle.

[hollow ibex]

and it's the single keystone that epitomizes the way vet is intended to be played right now, the most

if you can't stand the hybrid playstyle

[dry cloak]

i dont like plasma mostly because it clashes with my play style

[hollow ibex]

vet isn't for you

[sleek garden]

that's a wacky take

[lusty ether]

I also dislike plasma, tbh.

It's not very fun.

[sleek garden]

There's very easy ways to spend 2/3rds of the game with a gun out

[hollow ibex]

plasma's boring

[slow spade]

Plasma need buff UwU

[hollow ibex]

you can, but the point is vet is a hybrid class

[dry cloak]

if anything it need a rebalance

[lusty ether]

You can easily play hybrid without taking WS.

[dry cloak]

tru

[hollow ibex]

no shit. but WS is the keystone most in-line with that playstyle.

[sleek garden]

I have a Zarona shotgun build that is about using the special shell to destroy hordes

[sleek garden]

Every class is a hybrid class

[lusty ether]

Sounds meta.

[sleek garden]

everyone gets a gun and a melee

[hollow ibex]

meta, and more importantly, fun.

[grand perch]

psyker is arguably the ranged class

[unreal nova]

Depends for Zealot... Flamer means no long range unless you are really good with Tknoifes.

[sleek garden]

Meta is shout plasma and the game plays itself after that

[lusty ether]

You still don't seem to get how other people might think differently. That's ok. I forgive you.

[hollow ibex]

none of them are as hybrid as vet gets.

[hollow ibex]

nothing to forgive. if you don't like the playstyle, vet's prob not the class for you. and that's ok.

[lusty ether]

You are forgiven, my son.

[unreal nova]

Even my oggy, range is sus since I decided to take my rumbler with my melee focused build. It's abit iffy to hit snipers with.

[lusty ether]

I quite like taking the heaviest heavy stubber, on ogryn, and continuing to pop heads like I do on vet, despite being built for melee.

[sleek garden]

I tend to use a kantrael lasgun on veteran and the only reason I put it away is to have more mobility with my sword out

Or parry someone quick so I can get back to shooting

[hollow ibex]

amen. now go diddle the choir boy or something.