veteran-class

[warm idol]

you legit need friends to guide you through the game as well as play with you because randos in lfg are usually not very inclined to teach new players stuff

[uncut pebble]

^

This is why clans exist.

[frank basin]

and endgame, i think ill go devil advocate and putting community are toxic on new player

[warm idol]

Very

[uncut pebble]

The community is quite toxic but for good reason.

[warm idol]

not just to new players

the community is just toxic in general

[uncut pebble]

Reason being? Bungie fucking hates their players.

[calm shard]

and the new player experience was sabotaged when the red war was removed

[frank basin]

lfg goes: 50 clears kwtd, flawless or kick

[warm idol]

when bungie removes the content you paid for

[uncut pebble]

"Hmm yes we will leave broken titan exotics in pvp and then never fix them!"

[uncut pebble]

That's different.

[warm idol]

in lfg most people just want to get their clears done as fast as possible

[uncut pebble]

If I'm asking for x number of clears and kwtd then I'm obviously doing something more than a simple clear.

[frank basin]

they gonna force warlock into slave-well-lock

[warm idol]

especially later down the lifespan of a raid if they didn't get the exotic

[calm shard]

My clan got very close to beating Garden of Salvation on day 1

[warm idol]

but tbh people who don't have the exo after a while just do boss checkpoints

[calm shard]

I feel like even if we had, and I had gotten the emblem for that

[uncut pebble]

Or I'm farming a specific encounter, like doing challenge descent on dcs because the arc hand cannon doesnt drop from any other encounter.

[calm shard]

Those people would still kick me for not having very many clears on that raid

Because I don't like playing it much

[frank basin]

had a dead clan anyway

[warm idol]

clear farmers are cringe anyway

especially people who netlimit

[frank basin]

clears numbers about same with true survivor title

[uncut pebble]

No.

More like true survivor is equivalent to flawless.

Havoc forged would be equivalent to clear numbers.

[frank basin]

which the endgame never be accessible for casual

[warm idol]

from my experience people who farm clears in destiny tend to be the most colorful of individuals

[frank basin]

the solo casual

[uncut pebble]

Actually, the endgame for d2 is quite accessible for casuals.

[warm idol]

and not in a good way

[uncut pebble]

Speaking as a casual.

[warm idol]

endgame isn't really meant to be accessible but destiny endgame is pretty accessible compared to mmo's

[uncut pebble]

Like, I did pit of heresy and grasp of avarice solo flawless.

[warm idol]

like raids mechanics aren't that complex

[frank basin]

warframe does that also

[uncut pebble]

I actually did goa solo flawless 3 times.

Void hunter, arc titan, arc warlock.

[calm shard]

they are pretty charming though

[warm idol]

and it's a shooter so unlike an mmo you don't need to learn a rotation

get a decent gun and shoot

[calm shard]

I really liked Leviathan

[warm idol]

not saying they aren't enjoyable

[calm shard]

The fucking obstacle course because Calus is having fun with you

[warm idol]

they are

[frank basin]

yeah i been with bad sherpa put me in add clear instead then file complain on me that i never understand mechanic so they kicked me.

[uncut pebble]

The only somewhat complex encounter is vault on last wish.

Cannot stress this enough, FUCK teaching that encounter.

[frank basin]

the one am doing is Vow

[warm idol]

I can imagine it was a pain to figure out that encounter for people doing worlds first

[uncut pebble]

Otherwise I think the next hardest encounter is crypt security.

[frank basin]

i picked vow because that's only thing sherpa offer

[warm idol]

really?

[uncut pebble]

And that's only because the panels are annoying to find and you can only have one person downstairs at a time.

[warm idol]

crypt sec is pretty simple

[uncut pebble]

So it's up to reading a map you get sent and hoping you dont get turned around.

Doing it myself is not hard, teaching someone is.

[warm idol]

ah you mean in that area

fair enough

[uncut pebble]

Then I'd say relic run or whatever it is in vow is 3rd hardest.

[warm idol]

the only destiny raid I honestly don't enjoy at all is garden

[uncut pebble]

Trying to get people to not instantly fold when handed aegis is hilarious.

[frank basin]

getting divinity

[calm shard]

the vault of grass

[uncut pebble]

"Hey buddy if you drop this we are gonna wipe."
"Ok."
drops it

[warm idol]

the loot in garden also sucked outside of divinity honestly

[calm shard]

honestly I would do that too

[warm idol]

the hc was alright

the auto is an auto

[uncut pebble]

Actually the weapons in garden weren't terrible.

[warm idol]

the shotty was ok

[calm shard]

god knows I was ass at vault of glass in D1

[uncut pebble]

They just got power crept like hell.

[warm idol]

sniper is decent for pvp ig

[uncut pebble]

Lmao how?

It's literally baby's first raid, despite you slaying a literal time god.

[warm idol]

vog is boring but at least the loot is good

[calm shard]

I had never played anything even MMO adjacent at that point

mechanics scary

[frank basin]

how about getting vex rilfe?

[uncut pebble]

"Stand there. Don't move. Kill things that are trying to kill you."

Vex Mid-oclast.

[calm shard]

I liked that trio of exotics

what if special weapon, but primary?

[uncut pebble]

Go pull 1k voices over and over again.

[calm shard]

No Land Beyond, Universal Remote, Vex Mythoclast

[uncut pebble]

(please riven stop fucking dropping 1k I puled it 10 times in a row now)

[frank basin]

ever tried get heir apparent?

[uncut pebble]

I have it and the ornament for it.

[frank basin]

how it is?

[uncut pebble]

I played tf out of guardian games when it popped up during witch queen.

[frank basin]

from get exotic to catalyst to ornamet

[uncut pebble]

Honestly not a bad weapon but it's quite shit in gms.

[warm idol]

I tried it with lion rampants in pvp once

[uncut pebble]

You get massively slowed and the arc shield you get protects very little.

[warm idol]

with the shield it's pretty funny

but ur fucked if someone runs an arc weapon

[frank basin]

well talking this gun isn't gonna be enjoyable among dedicate pve players

because forced pvp

[uncut pebble]

I'ts enjoyable with lower end content.

[warm idol]

lets be real most exotic weapons are memes in endgame pve

[uncut pebble]

But endgame content, you're gonna get folded.

The only exotic weapons I really recommend for endgame pve are either busted or do champion stunning inherently.

I.e. trespasser (busted) or leviathan's breath (unstop stun.)

[frank basin]

no, am talking about problem pve player trying get this exotic being forced in pvp content in g-game

[calm shard]

imagine how PvP players felt when Scourge of The Past released and the best scout rifle in the game was this fucking thing

[warm idol]

yknow this weapon was mid in pve but I enjoyed using it back in the day cuz with full auto

[calm shard]

still have fond memories of this silly ass gun

[warm idol]

it reminded me of vision of confulence in d1

[calm shard]

better optimal TTK than pre-nerf Luna's Howl

[warm idol]

and back in d1

[frank basin]

pve player don't like forced into pvp

[warm idol]

I had fond memores of VoC

[calm shard]

and it has infinite range!

[frank basin]

even the exotic wither hoard catalyst quest is need for pvp

[warm idol]

?

the cata for wither is from just

playing the game

same with all seasonal exotics

[frank basin]

the cata is ask for go kill guardian with this gl 50 times

[uncut pebble]

BUNGIE, SELL YOUR IP TO GHOSTSHIP GAMES (drg developers)

[frank basin]

pve don't like go pvp zone

[uncut pebble]

Witherhoard cata requires pvp kills.

It's like the easiest cata to do though.

Just play control and spam it onto a point.

[warm idol]

ah forgot about that part

but it's not that bad yeah

if I am a pve player

[frank basin]

if you okay pvp then you be fine, not among the pve dedicate player

[warm idol]

and fucking hate destiny pvp

and I can do it

and not really have awful memories of it

it's not that bad

[frank basin]

im pve main, i suffer guardian game to get the exotic and cata

[warm idol]

then keep doing it you will get it eventually

[frank basin]

i didn't like the moment a hunter curb stomp entire match with last word

[calm shard]

the DESTINY 1 THORN QUEST

[warm idol]

recluse and mtt too

[frank basin]

i hated

[warm idol]

they were good in pvp too but they were real pve staples before sunsetting

[frank basin]

3 times

[calm shard]

hey shit ass go kill 500 void classes in PvP with a handcannon that has the worst stats in the game

have fuuuuuuuuun

[warm idol]

being forced to do so much pvp for them was pretty cancer

[frank basin]

weapon & exotic, now ornament

[warm idol]

but overall aside from these two

[frank basin]

i don't enjoy gambit game

[warm idol]

I can't really remember anything that made me play a ton of pvp

[frank basin]

or crucible

[uncut pebble]

Gambit is great.

[warm idol]

gambit is awful

[uncut pebble]

It used to be way better though.

[calm shard]

I miss gambit prime

[uncut pebble]

Fuck everyone who said gambit prime was unnecessary.

Kept all the shitlords out of normal queues so I could chill.

[frank basin]

you either have god pvp player curb stomp sniping entire team or super caster.

that's gambit

[warm idol]

invading in gambit is funny

especially with heavy ammo and a super

[frank basin]

"oooh your team didn't make it, sending your boy back" -having zero kills

[uncut pebble]

Leviathan's breath + oathkeeper + invisibility.

[warm idol]

so many times during boss phase

[uncut pebble]

I cast eternal suffering on the enemy team.

[warm idol]

I just thundercrashed their entire enemy team

as a titan main falling star was one of the best things they ever added to the game

[frank basin]

death heal primeval

[uncut pebble]

Even though it's really not that good.

I'd rather take armamenterium if I'm being completely honest.

[warm idol]

maybe it didn't age well

[frank basin]

i fine mag stabilizer is fun use

[warm idol]

but when it came out

it was pretty damn good

[uncut pebble]

The philosophy that I must take an exotic to make my super do respectable damage is dumb.

[warm idol]

otherwise I used inmost light

[frank basin]

still hunt*

[uncut pebble]

Hunter throwing stick does like 3m dps or some stupid shit like that, cuirass barely pushes you past like 1.2m, if my memory serves.

That 3m dps is without any buffs btw.

[warm idol]

it's probably bad in the current state of the game

[uncut pebble]

You just do that.

[frank basin]

every old returning player left final shape already.

[warm idol]

but it's burst dps when it came out was really good

[uncut pebble]

They also hugely dropped the ball with prismatic classes.

[warm idol]

every titan ran it for atrax for example for 1 phasing

[uncut pebble]

Well, yeah, because titans dont do good super damage.

Think about it, they literally don't have any burst supers except that.

All their other supers are either buffs or actives.

Void has bubble and shield, arc has fists of havoc, solar has throwing hammers and burning maul, stasis has fists of havoc but left in the fridge for a bit, and strand has beyblade tournament 2014.

Like, tcrash is the only burst damage they have, of course they're gonna run it and milk as much damage out of it as possible.

[unreal bone]

Imagine how us black armory enjoyers feel in 2025 and still no fucking reprised black armory guns besides the hammerhead and blast furnace.

[frank basin]

hammerhead my o'pal

[uncut pebble]

If destiny ever gets a reboot and they don't have black armory weapons, I will riot.

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-xd-twice-momo-gif-24754494

[calm shard]

correct take

[uncut pebble]

All of my takes are correct, smh. 🚬

[hollow ibex]

tried out mortis trials

if they doubled the spawns, it'd be much more interesting

[austere mica]

Just duo it

You can still cruise but it’s more interesting

[faint beacon]

I slept a full 24 hours today cause I caught fucking something that made it miserable living

here I am up at the middle of the night staring at the Penance section of the guide trying to figure out how to format it without it looking stupid LMAO

[faint beacon]

Progression section is done, Abilties are next

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-crunchy-cat-glasses-cat-luna-glasses-cat-gif-12732289841207803174

[crimson wyvern]

vets getting their own guide?

[craggy goblet]

didn’t they already have one?

[crimson wyvern]

I'm talking like the ogrynomicon

Not steam guide stuff although they're good

[pseudo fiber]

Vet has a guide and is getting a steam guide version

Path is slaving away every day bless

[normal bay]

Check the pin section. It's in there

Little rough around the edges on mobile but the info is there

[frosty furnace]

Is having dmg resistance to gunners worth it for Havoc on your curios or does it make barely any difference?

[marsh condor]

Veterans should get their own grenade launchers at some point.

[dry cloak]

No

[marsh condor]

Still working on the idea of how it could work.

[tame lodge]

Grenadier Gauntlet meets Rumbler

[dry cloak]

So single shot GG

[marsh condor]

...no.

I was thinking of this revolver grenade launcher, lemme find it.

[tame lodge]

Multiple shots rumbler

[dry cloak]

We have that

[marsh condor]

I was stuck on whether it's a good idea to make it a riot version, with concussive shots that deal good damage on direct impact.

[dry cloak]

Just chance based

[tame lodge]

[marsh condor]

Or have them be incendiary rounds.

Also found a non-Ogryn bloop toob.

[dry cloak]

Nah inciendiary madness is oggies specialty

[pseudo fiber]

grenade launcher would be cool

I wanna know if its ranged or melee

[dry cloak]

Ranged of course

[red robin]

I just want more melee weapons with unique mechanics/special activations

Shame the parry mechanic is behind a melee weapon that is mid at best

And there ain’t even any blessings to make the parry wacky

[dry cloak]

Devil claws need a touch up

[red robin]

Idk what buffs it needs

I wouldn’t mind finesse curve adjustments

[dry cloak]

Blessings more

[tame lodge]

For starters
Better flak adm

[red robin]

Yeahhh

Armour do be its biggest issue

[dry cloak]

But with eventualnzealot tree rework we gonna get something

[red robin]

I just want a vet tree that isn’t so point heavy

And for the zealot tree to actually have better pathing

[dry cloak]

And i want milion dollars

[red robin]

Also

Heavy sword on vet?

[dry cloak]

Goof

Good

Carapce is its only weakness in my experience

[red robin]

I kinda wanted to demo a perfect strike crit heavy sword

With the 2 bleed stack talent

Swipe a horde with bleed

[dry cloak]

Youll gonna have more luck on zealot if you want a crit build

[red robin]

^

[dry cloak]

Also a thing

Heavy sword really like deathblow headtaker

[red robin]

^

yeahhh

Stronger and more usefulness

While the options I want to demo requires a lot of set up that gives little reward

[sleek garden]

Why does the devils claw need more flak

90% of the time I'm using it to get rid of horde units where it's mostly unarmored and infested

[dry cloak]

Youre using mk1 no?

[sleek garden]

The rest of it I'm using parries on rangers

Yes

[red robin]

How’s the parry timing now?

[tame lodge]

Because the flak adm sucks

Like big time

[dry cloak]

Mk7 dc imo best

[sleek garden]

Fair

I typically like my melee to be for crowd control

I've been trying out all in on single target with the achlys combat axe though

[dry cloak]

And whats the score?

Still bad?

[sleek garden]

For achlys or devils claw

[dry cloak]

Achlys

I k ow devil claws are good

[heavy rover]

If you want a good laugh I suggest giving shovel with bleed a try. It's hilarious

[sleek garden]

Achlys I enjoy sticking the spike through a crushers head

But it takes a while to kill still

Probably like 6 heavies

But I noticed the lights are fast

Compared to the rashad

[calm shard]

that fuckin' horizontal heavy has such deceptively awful damage

[tame lodge]

There's no reason for Dclaw to hit like ~150 Dmg against most armor types
Then 44 to flak

😭

[sleek garden]

I mean it just

A sword

[calm shard]

yeah but they buffed it last patch so clearly it's good now right :)

[dry cloak]

How antax place between rashad and achlys

[calm shard]

the fucking heavy sword is just a sword and that shit doesn't plink off flak armor

[sleek garden]

I quite like the antaxe actually

[red robin]

What does this look like in game?

[tame lodge]

No I do not care about how swords Slash interacts with plate armor and irl mechanics

😭

[sleek garden]

It's got better defenses so it lasts on a horde longer and the push attack does damage

[calm shard]

the dueling sword is just a sword

[sleek garden]

The duelling sword is butter but it is designed to puncture

[dry cloak]

2 marks of dueling sword are sabers. Which are slashing weapons

[sleek garden]

On the achlys?

[dry cloak]

Ds4 is strictly stabby

[calm shard]

strikedown overhead is faster, all devils claw swords can spam parry without ever being hit instead of one being randomly left out

[calm shard]

yeah

[sleek garden]

And the slashes do awful damage

[dry cloak]

Yes

[red robin]

Would that blessing make the sword better?

[dry cloak]

I mean dueling swords should bkt be THAT good against carapace. Good sure 2 hits hell nah

[calm shard]

what blessing

[sleek garden]

The devils claw with the toothed blade should do much higher armor damage

[dry cloak]

Which sword

[red robin]

Bladed momentum

Sorry low data zone

Parry sword

[dry cloak]

Wrath rampage

[sleek garden]

I use rampage savage sweep

[dry cloak]

Also good choice

[sleek garden]

So I can get immediately to max cleave

[tame lodge]

It would help dclaw but not by much

[red robin]

Pepe hands

[calm shard]

yeah dclaws problem is having unbelievably dogshit single target damage and armor pen

[sleek garden]

Has anyone here tried Skullcrusher hammerblow/vicious slice on devils claw

[red robin]

Bladed momentum ain’t in the blessing list, I’m just suggesting it

[calm shard]

its strikedown heavies have shit damage, and all of its attacks have worthless armor damage

[tame lodge]

The cleave damage fall off against flak on the Heavy sweeps are harsh

[sleek garden]

Doesn't this really matter against something like dreg bruisers

And a scab gunner

[calm shard]

it's also exclusively a horde clear weapon but gets none of the horde clear blessings like Slaughterer, Wrath, or Brutal Momentum?

[sleek garden]

It has rampage

And cleave blessings

[dry cloak]

It gets wrath and rampage

[tame lodge]

It gets wrath yeah

[sleek garden]

Fake fan here

[calm shard]

oh it does get wrath

[tame lodge]

And 100 impact blessings

[calm shard]

I am not a fan of the devils claw sword

whoever told you that is a liar

[red robin]

Would exploit weakness make it better?

[tame lodge]

Then fucking Devastating Strike

[red robin]

Or still mid

[dry cloak]

Go back to gun psyker

[calm shard]

no lol

[sleek garden]

unironically I used to use vicious slice a lot

[calm shard]

devils claw needs massive damage and armor pen buffs to be made good

[sleek garden]

it stunlocked crowds and scab gunners and maulers

[calm shard]

and probably a different blessing pool too

[red robin]

What makes exploit weakness bad?

[calm shard]

tiny value, short duration, only on crit

[dry cloak]

To flak sure. To cara no

[calm shard]

the parry should at least have decent carapace damage

[dry cloak]

It does iirc

[calm shard]

and its dedicated single target overheads should do something meaningful

[undone sigil]

It has the same good things as bad things like the heavy sword

[red robin]

So is this brittleness unique from the 40% cap?

[calm shard]

I think so?

[tame lodge]

Nah it's separate

[calm shard]

I think any form of brittleness that has a different cap is a "different" debuff

[red robin]

Hmm

That 20% don’t mean much eh?

[sleek garden]

Doesn't one of the devil's claws have a parry riposte that chains into a heavy overhead

[dry cloak]

I think it mk7

[sleek garden]

That then chains into a light overhead

[tame lodge]

Hypothetically
Onslaught/Thunderous goes up to 40%
Exploit Weakness goes up to 20%
Penetrating Flames goes up to 20%

[stiff glacier]

I kinda havent gotten the memo of why people like mk7 so after testing it. Mk4 feels to do all that i require

[tame lodge]

So it's possible to get 80% brittle on an enemy

[dry cloak]

Push attack stab and heavy attack order

[sleek garden]

I have used all marks of the devils claw but I tend to go back to the mk1

it's kinda braindead

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[sleek garden]

But on veteran I try to have my gun out more than my sword

[red robin]

So true

Love ranged gameplay

On zealot I am melee gameplay lover

Veteran I just shoot everything for fun

[sleek garden]

true

I quite like the autoguns and infantry lasguns

I tried the recon but idk they feel kinda like

Janky somehow

[red robin]

Bad habit for me because I shoot enemies that could just be melee’d for ammo efficiency

[sleek garden]

Like the recoil and animations don't feel as good

[sleek garden]

Grab ammo off the floor

Problem solved

[red robin]

Sometimes, I like playing staff psyker just so I can let my friends enjoy the ammo gameplay

[sleek garden]

Also I take covering fire so I never feel bad firing at head level into a crowd near the ogryn

with the infantry guns they have tons of ammo

I'm not really worried about ammo efficiency

[red robin]

Nerd emojis abt to come in and say “ERM UR STEALING THEIR MELEE TOUGHNESS”

[sleek garden]

It's not like I'm blasting poxwalkers with 2 bolter shots per

I like to think covering fire helps

[red robin]

I mean

[sleek garden]

during events and stuff I always pull out my gun mid fight to shoot at poxwalkers or something near my busy teammates

[red robin]

I make use of it

[sleek garden]

just to give them the buff

[red robin]

I always have that one random who never protects himself from 1 stray guy

[sleek garden]

The psyker

[red robin]

True, that’s my friend

[stiff glacier]

I got friend who i managed to convince to play darktide but the moment he got agripinaa braced autogun and powersword he has refused to use anything else

[red robin]

He just learned that the backstab sound cue is meant for dodging an attack

[sleek garden]

These people collapse unconscious when I throw two frags near them mid horde

[stiff glacier]

Task failed sucessfully

[sleek garden]

I just can't get into braced autos on veteran

[dry cloak]

Funny with exe stanc3

[sleek garden]

I hate not being able to click heads 60 meters away

[red robin]

It def fits the shoot chaff bit

[dry cloak]

Try shredder autopistol with exe stance

Fun

[sleek garden]

I normally build into like all out headshot damage for infantry weapons

[red robin]

I wish more braced weapons had run n gun

[stiff glacier]

I like braced ones on stealth vet

[red robin]

Agrippna revolver fun

[sleek garden]

Agripinaa is the super heavy braced right

[stiff glacier]

Just skimming past horde to gunner line to full auto them down

[dry cloak]

Try shredder autopistol for inftrate

[sleek garden]

I use the blue braced

[dry cloak]

Yep

[sleek garden]

The one that shoots faster braced

[stiff glacier]

I love shredder too

[dry cloak]

Graia

[stiff glacier]

Antax axe and shredder infiltrator

My permanent build slot resident

[dry cloak]

Try decil clae with laspitol and kraks infiltrate

[red robin]

30% spread reduction from run n gun, 19% from deadshot and 38% from executioners stance makes the agrippna revolver braced shot nutty

[sleek garden]

laspistol devils claw is something I did for rolling steel

[calm shard]

devils claw trying its best

[red robin]

Pin needle choke

[dry cloak]

Yeah fun boss deleter

[red robin]

Trickshooter the one that gets strength on headshot eh?

Blessing

[dry cloak]

Yup

[red robin]

That’s my fav with that set up

[dry cloak]

I use it on my zealot

Works great

[red robin]

Feels bad to drop handcannon and crit blessings

[sleek garden]

It was an interesting change of pace

[stiff glacier]

I usually want to pick my weapons with the style of loadout in mind. Like if im gonna be just lasgun grunt im using shovel/knife or if voc then pistols and duelling/power sword

[red robin]

But I like suboptimal gameplay blessings

[sleek garden]

I forgot the distortion of no toughness is a thing

[sleek garden]

That was fast though

Now show us massive mixed horde with dreg and scab bruisers mixed with ragers

[dry cloak]

For vet drop handcannon for what ever on psyker keep handcannon because you can get a lot of crits with perks alone

[red robin]

True

That’s if I used guns on psyker

[dry cloak]

Laspitol dc7 is my default vet build

[red robin]

Staff infection gang

[dry cloak]

Try cowbow psyker

[sleek garden]

Laspistol range falloff is just a bit too much for me

[red robin]

True

[sleek garden]

but I like actually keeping up with the group

[dry cloak]

Fair

[red robin]

I even have the hat and everything

Also

[dry cloak]

Then do it

[red robin]

I wish the vet had a talent that influenced fall off dmg

Like Kruger

Kruber huntsmen

[dry cloak]

Huntsman kruber my beloved

[sleek garden]

People here hate longshot

I put it on my inflas and one shot dreg ragers from across the map

[dry cloak]

But that was a built in passive

Iirc

[sleek garden]

My character is too tall to properly use the built in cover peek talent for vet lol

if I crouch behind cover they shoot me in the head

I might need to become shorter

[dry cloak]

I have it on my sharpshooter tm build

[sleek garden]

I have three different versions of my sharpshooter build

The only differences are aura and smoke/frag switching

[dry cloak]

If i may ask you

I have 2 build slot left

Donyou want to make infiltrate build and one exe stance build for me

[sleek garden]

I'm so unwise when it comes to making class builds

[dry cloak]

That being said i need to come home first

[sleek garden]

I can show you my largely panned executor stance build

[dry cloak]

So what

We both use very much of neta weapons

[sleek garden]

my suggestion is to go into Morningstar lobby and find someone with a ridiculously terrible build

Something jaw dropping

But I posted my version of an exy stance and infiltrate build before

Let me see if I can find them

[dry cloak]

After i get home ill send you mine

[sleek garden]

this maelstrom is peak for sharpshooter vets

[calm shard]

why do you have exploit weakness and onslaught on the left

[grand perch]

#veteran-class message

[dry cloak]

I ru something similar

[red robin]

Longshot is like a band aid to the power of what huntsmen Kruber had

[calm shard]

longshot only starting to give you a damage boost at 12.5 meters is so ass

[red robin]

It should just influence damage falloff

[calm shard]

and it just doesn't mention it at all

[red robin]

I want double barrel with tight choke like I’m duck hunting

[sleek garden]

it's beautiful

[calm shard]

It's a talent that is genuinely useless 90% of the time

and the description in game would leave you none the wiser

[sleek garden]

I was using a braced autogun

My thought process was I'm using a devil's claw so I will just hose a crusher with bullefs

[red robin]

Run n gun, deadshot and ES makes the double barrel choke tight af, but the damage fall off makes me sad af

[calm shard]

longshot would be really nice if it made weapons have less damage falloff yeah

[red robin]

So true

[calm shard]

and make lasguns with their weird inverted falloff scale faster or something?

[red robin]

What would make longshot even viable?

[dry cloak]

Heh more shredder and db marks would be nice

[red robin]

Drilling would be nutty

Special activation is a rifle round

[calm shard]

removing the absolutely fucking stupid 12.5 meter minimum range before it starts ramping up in damage?

Or making it a shorter distance like even 8 meters man

An enemy should not have to be 30 meters away for you to get a 20% damage boost

[sleek garden]

Exey stance max range is 50 meters

I think they expect you to be fairly far

[calm shard]

okay you've seen this games maps

[sleek garden]

my inflas can bodyshot shooters to the chest after a certain point

[calm shard]

how many of them do you reckon spawn priority targets even 20 meters away consistently

I can think of 5 immediately, and it's usually only a single room

[sleek garden]

come on, there are so many places on this map that are long bridges, hallways, wide open hangars

[red robin]

I get mobs spawning in front of me

[calm shard]

The maps that would be the best for it

Would be Clandestum Gloriana, and Excise Vault

That both have many humongous fucking rooms that have gunners everywhere

[red robin]

True

[sleek garden]

Chasm station is full of bridges with few obstructions

Hourglass has the wide open vertical shantytown

The carnival is open city streets

[calm shard]

Smelter Complex is another good one

[sleek garden]

Rolling steel is one gargantuan hallway

[calm shard]

Where the map events are actually located is important

[red robin]

Man

Rolling steel

Has the best track

[calm shard]

Rolling Steel most ranged enemies spawn ontop of the train, right next to the objective

[sleek garden]

Rolling steel with precision automatics is fun

[calm shard]

With a few specials that come from carts further down

[red robin]

I fucking ran my best record for running listening to rolling steel

[sleek garden]

But most specialists spawn far away, especially on the battery retrieval

[red robin]

Autism advantage had me rushing irl

[dry cloak]

That being?

[red robin]

IAG?

[sleek garden]

infantry autoguns

Recon lasguns

[red robin]

Shredder

[calm shard]

The vast majority of maps you get maybe 1 or 2 good rooms where Longshot will do something, and the rest is just...not happening

[red robin]

True

[calm shard]

Even the good maps have long stretches of areas where they suck ass except for Excise Vault

[dry cloak]

If you say precision automatics vigil autos come to mind

[red robin]

True

The round bursts go hard ngl

[sleek garden]

Vigilant autoguns make me sad because they're cool but shooting a dreg flamer three times in the head with a three round burst autogun without killing bothers me

They have awful maniac damage

[calm shard]

Consignment Yard has two events that are pretty Longshot friendly

the trainyard obviously

[red robin]

Nightmare world

[calm shard]

but also the data interrogator segment in the foundryplex

enemies are pretty consistently ~25 meters away from you there

so you're getting most of your longshot value

[sleek garden]

And before that is the area right after the showers

Wait

[calm shard]

that room isn't really big enough from where you're going to be engaging enemies

unless you're on the other side of the broken bridge

[sleek garden]

The area right after

there's usually a ton of shooters there

I step out and start mowing down gunners

[calm shard]

yeah that's like ~18 meters

you're getting maybe 10% percent damage from there

actually probably less

[sleek garden]

perhaps it doesn't help that much when the headshot from the inflas is like 1.2k

[calm shard]

yeah

[sleek garden]

And a scab gunner has 1.5

At close range

but any time I can manage a one shot headshot on a gunner is a good time

[calm shard]

dark communion is another mission that's consistently pretty great for longshot

goes through all of the wide areas of the carnival unlike the stimms mission

mercantile sucks for longshot

I think every single one of its events except the final one is in a tiny room

[sleek garden]

There's a wide open plaza before you get into the brewery

[calm shard]

yeah but that and the final segment are basically it

[sleek garden]

though the first event I am often shooting at 16 shotgunners conga lining through a spawn door across the lunch room

[calm shard]

every bit of the brewery is a tiny ass room, all of the ambushes are tiny ass rooms

[sleek garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1334325913365512244/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2025-01-29_19-09-59_-_Trim.mp4?ex=67f91118&is=67f7bf98&hm=55a5b0fd8a3bb15c2fd736a21e0693a2c97053fc3d5b3831ded199328ea42436&

[calm shard]

Warren 6-19 the other carnival mission is also hot garbage for longshot

again every event is just in such a tiny room

[sleek garden]

Pulling an old clip not necessarily for longshot but because I was wondering if dragging your mouse mid melee is good for cleaving

I find myself doing it a lot

Especially on devils claw

[calm shard]

y'know what fuck it you got me thinking about it

I am going to think about the map layouts and make a tier list of what maps longshot can potentially be valuable one

[sleek garden]

Every spot on this map is good for longshot

Even end event, if you ever manage to pull your gun out

[tame lodge]

Excise Vault might have potential ngl

[sleek garden]

I can think of like 5 places off the bat good for longshot in excuse vault

[calm shard]

oh yeah excise vault is easy S tier for Longshot

[sleek garden]

The one place that isn't good is flow control

[calm shard]

you are almost always going to be shooting at dudes far away on that map

[sleek garden]

But with marksmans focus and exy stance it doesn't really matter

[calm shard]

I think literally every room there's a spawn that Longshot will help you kill

[sleek garden]

I think I've posted a clip of me using reverse falloff and longshot to show the distance for a one shot kill with marksmans focus in the psykhanium

https://tenor.com/view/grug-intellegent-poop-family-poop-grug-you-stupid-gif-21177166

Me in psykhanium showing off my skills

[red robin]

Man

I love marksmen focus

[sleek garden]

I am a user and abuser

Actually it's not easy to abuse

Many people say it's better to take focus target over marksmans focus but in the sharpshooter build I don't agree

Especially when you're trying to kill typical shooters

[calm shard]

Focus target is expressly better than marksmans focus if you only need its damage to kill one thing

[sleek garden]

Focus target is much better for like

A boss

Or melee with a mauler in front of you

[calm shard]

Marksmans Focus instantly gets more value than Focus Target if you have to shoot multiple enemies that you need the damage for

2 shotting Crushers with Helbore is a pretty good example of MF being better

[sleek garden]

infantry autoguns start one shotting scab shooters instead of needing two

[calm shard]

Vraks IAG can one shot gunners on headshot with MF

:)

[sleek garden]

Is the vraks the single shot

[calm shard]

no it's the fast shooting one

[sleek garden]

I use the three round burst

[calm shard]

it's not a vigilant

[sleek garden]

wait nevermind

Yeah I got confused

vraks is now the fast one right

[calm shard]

yeah

[sleek garden]

Are you sure it can one shot gunners on headshot

[calm shard]

yeah

[sleek garden]

My Columnus can't do that

Huh

Wonder what I'm doing wrong

Takes me like 3 shots to the head of a scab gunner

[serene bough]

i definitely prefer MMF over FT on ilas

just generally better performance

plus the nodes going down to MMF are much better for ilas than FT

[calm shard]

also this gun fucking annihilates carapace

which is super funny

it genuinely kills everything

I don't think there's a single non monstrosity enemy in the game that the Vraks IAG cannot kill in under a second on an MF+Exe build

like even in havoc this would mulch anything you point it at

I don't even have bring it down on this build

[calm shard]

I'm honestly tempted after the recent stealth buff to camouflage to run chink in their armour with it

it's very easy to keep max MF stacks with camouflage now that dodge sliding gives you a stack

you can just magic your way to max stacks in like 4 seconds if you're headshotting anything, even if you aren't killing them

[heavy rover]

Wait sliding gives MF stacks now?

Now I'm tempted

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/bYcf9C1 yeah

[heavy rover]

Looks like I know what I'm doing after work then

[fervent quest]

Put this together specifically with a combat knife with Uncanny and Mercy Killer, I figured it combos well with the Serrated Blade talent and shredder frags. Anything I missed? I have the Mk3 knife in mind.

[gilded raft]

I'd take the survivalist aura for the team instead and just throw lacerate or flesh tearer on the knife for more bleeds

[serene bough]

thats pretty tempting i will agree

but idk if id waste another point into it

[gilded raft]

I actually run that version with a double barrel with flechette for easy horde munching with extra bleed

[heavy rover]

Or bolt pistol with lethal proximity to get crazy radius for bleeds

[fervent quest]

Oh hmm there's still enough points if you go survivalist to get what I want anyway

[hollow ibex]

That point tax lol

[gilded raft]

You'd probably squeeze more damage out of agile engagement instead of serrated blade. Knife blessings add more bleed quicker. Also going down the middle from the top is more survivability

Saving a point someplace so you can get free reloads from weapon spec would be nice too

Depending on your gun i suppose

[barren nimbus]

Honestly only the plasma gun has unbearable reloads

[gilded raft]

I like it with the double barrel though.

Never reload, just melee, whip it out, 1tap horde, back to melee

[fervent quest]

Vraks IAG. Not looking for the strongest possibly build it's really just goofing around with Serrated Blade for fun

[fervent quest]

Agile Engagement actually looks like it might be better than WS for this hmm

[gilded raft]

Bleed stacking is fun

[gilded raft]

It does synergize quite well

[fervent quest]

Would Mk6 or 3 work better for a bleed uncanny nutjob Vet?

[barren nimbus]

6 is more aoe

[elder fiber]

its preference

[gilded raft]

I like 3 for quick and easy head pokes but 6 is popular

[elder fiber]

6 is slightly better vs hordes

[gilded raft]

Both work, see what combo feels better for you

[slow spade]

Power knife when?

[fervent quest]

Okay revised. Looks good?

[fervent quest]

Critical papercut

[gilded raft]

I run exactly that exact build but weapon spec instead of serrated blade (cause i get my bleeds from lacerate on knife)

[serene bough]

Which weapons

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e994a26-a751-4091-9425-694771e03a2e/bleedmaxxing

try this for bleedmaxxing

[gilded raft]

It's fun with a bleed shotgun on top, so literally everything you do bleeds stuff

[fervent quest]

Uncanny/Mercy knife and IAG Vraks

[serene bough]

This is acceptable then but imo id rather avoid mercy killer and use those points you put in into agile & serrated into demo team & the FT keystone

[hollow ibex]

my last run with the bleed build

[gilded raft]

Kind of a weird build there

[hollow ibex]

yeah skip MK

[hollow ibex]

no such thing as a normal infil build

[gilded raft]

True

Giving up 30% weakspot dmg with a knife though

[dry cloak]

Yeah vigil autos are trash agains maniacs. But deal with flak wonderfully

[hollow ibex]

yeah unfortunate but it really isn't needed

and i don't like the 2 point tax

[serene bough]

Its really not that great of a dps boost in comparison to the other blessings, as long as you have uncanny the knife will succeed

[sleek garden]

I use headhunter and deadly accurate and watching the three round crit burst kick up into a mauler head and blow it up is satisfying

[serene bough]

People love including agile engagement to their builds but I really hate having to tax so many points just go get it

[tall torrent]

mercy killer is not strong enough to justify serrated blade

[fervent quest]

😔

[dry cloak]

If you are using the 3rd burst one try stopping power as dump stat. It allows me to perform much better if its low mostly because of stagger

[hollow ibex]

one of the reasons i went with infil

[unreal nova]

If only it was buffed to 100% bonus damage?

Or still too little?

[tall torrent]

+100%Wdmg is not +100%dmg

[slow spade]

Serrated: 1 stack -> 10 stacks pls UwU

[fervent quest]

Serrated is 2

[gilded raft]

Have you tested what deadly accurate gives you in practice? I'm really not seeing much value from it

[hollow ibex]

make serrated blade give rending immediately

[unreal nova]

Yes, but I mean going from 60% to 100%. Or would it need to be higher?

[serene bough]

Id only consider taking serrated if it gave 4 stacks

[calm shard]

ogryn batter

[hollow ibex]

4 stacks would be actually op

[gilded raft]

Free lacerate?

[dry cloak]

With crits it allow much more damage on carapace and monsters

[hollow ibex]

with how fast knife can attack

[serene bough]

Yeah it would be powerful but 2 stacks isn't enough

[unreal nova]

But lacerate will need a buff maybe?

[serene bough]

Considering it's competing with agile engagement it needs to be pretty strong to consider taking

[gilded raft]

Nah, knife is so fast you get to 16 stacks on ogryns in 1 second

[tall torrent]

I think it needs to be +dmg instead of +Wdmg, and probably 30~40%

[serene bough]

This is fine

In tandem bleed and uncanny need to stop interacting with one another

[tall torrent]

serrated at 3 is strong enough tbh

4 is a bit ridiculous

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/x-do-not-want-no-nope-penguin-gif-1541816072889835675

[tall torrent]

u get ogryn's batter without heavy atk dependency

[serene bough]

Id settle for 3 stacks, but considering it's competing with agile i wouldn't personally consider taking without 4

[sleek garden]

Perhaps, you're usually better off just firing into a mauler chest

[gilded raft]

Rending is the whole point of uncanny (though it's arguably a bit too much of it)

[hollow ibex]

even 3 would be pretty damn strong and better than lacerate imo

[unreal nova]

I guess. I was wondering if they felt like keeping it to wdamage, what would be the best change.

[serene bough]

Or at least if its 4 it would require some condition

[tall torrent]

weakspot hit only

the anti-lacerate

[hollow ibex]

4 on weakspot, 2 on non weakspot

[calm shard]

make it brutal momentum clearly

[serene bough]

This is acceptable

[unreal nova]

Ah yes, serrated blade mercykiller now horde clear the knoife.

[calm shard]

yes, and we'd have our third brutal momentum

Brutal Momentum, Deathblow, Mercy Killer

[gilded raft]

I think bleed application is fine, cause lacerate means you can't headshot while applying it and flesh tarer is much more bleed but requires crits

[calm shard]

and they all do the same fucking thing

[serene bough]

Yeah but applying to a massive aoe bleed is a bit much

Uncanny is such a busted blessing

[gilded raft]

It wouldn't be if all stacks was just 60% rending instead of 120

It's not what it does, it's how much of it it does

120 rending is nuts

[astral ibex]

Event ends when? Can't look in game due to my pc being in the repair store

[serene bough]

I dont like how shredders act as anti-armor is all

Should be the krak grenade job

[sleek garden]

Shredders? Anti armor?

I must be using them wrong, I throw all three at a group of bulwarks and none of them die

[calm shard]

it should yeah, but even if they weren't kraks owuld be shit at it

actually worst blitz in the game

[sleek garden]

Kraks are fine at boss damage

[serene bough]

It pairs w/ uncanny

[gilded raft]

We should have kraks stack up to 3, even 4, to make them competitive

[atomic void]

kraks are not worse than immo or stuns

[calm shard]

I can assure you they are

[serene bough]

So you can rip through flak and carapace

[sleek garden]

This doesn't sound like intended behavior

[calm shard]

The best use case of kraks is something that they are outclassed at

Which is bulwark doomstacks

[serene bough]

4 kraks by default, and a considerably larger radius so it can kill clusters of elites better

[sleek garden]

They wouldn't outclassed if several weapons that aren't the thunder hammer didn't one-two shot

[calm shard]

You can just bolter them, shredders will stagger them too

[atomic void]

boltering a bulwark domstack is asking to waste ammo

[sleek garden]

yeah I was gonna say

bolter +bulwark mob is like

50 rounds expended

and three dead

[tall torrent]

give krak 10000+ base dmg vs unyielding through ADM buff

[gilded raft]

I dunno about more radius... You can already merc 3 ogryns if you stack them well. Maybe make the grenade upgrade talent add more radius to them since more damage doesn't do anything anyway

[unreal nova]

With Lethal making the kill radius bigger as well. It's eh atm.

[sleek garden]

I've never heard them called bulwark doomstack

But it makes sense

[unreal nova]

Sounds like the punishment wave.

[sleek garden]

The amount of times I've screamed as 5 bulwarks surround me and bully me with their little bashes

[gilded raft]

Doomstack isn't a harsh enough term for that nonsense

[sleek garden]

Then club me to death

[unreal nova]

12+ bulwarks just flanking.

[serene bough]

The point of a radius buff would be to make these kinds of kills more consistent

Because unless they're literally stacked within one another its not as common

[serene bough]

Also do this

[gilded raft]

Given the 1tap nature, id be ok with that if we had to pay the points tax of taking the grenade upgrade talent if we're gonna have 4 of them

[sleek garden]

In space marine 2 they don't even one shot

[gilded raft]

But only 2 of them and no way to add range makes kraks massively underpowered at the moment

[sleek garden]

They definitely help with mini boss maelstrom

[gilded raft]

In that game bolt guns fire rice krispies so i wouldn't go by that

[tall torrent]

and make whatever hit by krak blast take x150% dmg for 8s

[atomic void]

kraks are very good in sm2
nades in that game just dont insta delete things

[serene bough]

And shorter fuse time so people don't scoop the kill so easily

[unreal nova]

Is like comparing the bolter to the unbuffed autopistol.

[sleek garden]

You must have forgotten the old psyker brain burst talent, back when brain bursting a boss gave it weakness

[atomic void]

biggest glaring issue with kraks is by the time they go off on a crusher pack the pack is dead

[sleek garden]

It was busted

[tall torrent]

no, this is exactly the plan

[red robin]

man

[unreal nova]

Lethal prox technically works.

[pseudo fiber]

Writing a steam guide has driven path to madness

[red robin]

i hate how headshots are calculated in this

especially weakspot and crit dmg

[gilded raft]

Given that we only get 2 and they're mostly single target, i wouldn't say that the fuse time is the biggest issue

[red robin]

10% weakspot and crit damage insane nothing burger

[tall torrent]

I'm 1 day away from getting a proper pc rig

[pseudo fiber]

Nice!

[gilded raft]

So you're finally gonna rob your neighbor and take his? Proud of you champ!

[tall torrent]

4070ti super
i7-14700f
48gb ram
1tb ssd

may also buy a 1440p monitor later, found a good deal for 220 CAD

[tall torrent]

no my friend in US is sending me his used one

[gilded raft]

Wow, you hide the drugs in used PCs then? Interesting!

[tall torrent]

DT prologue ran at 150~200fps without frame gen, and up to 400fps with frame gen

[sleek garden]

You better get it right now before a certain orange moron makes another decision

[atomic void]

oooo that's a beast

tho 48ram is an odd choice

[sleek garden]

I'm praying nothing happens between now and tomorrow

[dry cloak]

do you have time to play?

[tall torrent]

it's been on delivery for 5 days

tmr is when it arrives

[sleek garden]

Not for another 5 hours sorry

[dry cloak]

ok

[sleek garden]

Does the 4070 has decent vram

[tall torrent]

it came with 32gb ram, then my friend replaced it with a 48gb ram

[unreal nova]

Probs like the nonsense 2 16 2 8 I have.

[tall torrent]

4070ti super has 16gb VRAM

[sleek garden]

My 3070 has like 6 gigs

it's terrible

[atomic void]

4070ti super is a beast of a card

3070 has 8

i have a 3070ti and the vram gimps it so much

[warm idol]

what perk and blessing comb do I want on a bolter?

[sleek garden]

Why did they skimp on the 3070

[loud belfry]

not really. normal 4070 has 12 GB and low bus width

[atomic void]

cause nvidia are greedy fucks

[tall torrent]

Maniac
Flak
Puncture
Pinning fire / surgical

[sleek garden]

Didn't the 3060 have more even

[atomic void]

ye

[tall torrent]

Cuz 1440p wasn’t as popular when 30-series was their best product

[atomic void]

3060 had a version with 10gb lmao

[loud belfry]

a version of it might, probably not the normal version. but if it truly is that way the ram on the 3060 is definitely slower

[atomic void]

nah it was

1440p was popular and affordable

nvidia are just greedy fucks

[tall torrent]

Nah it wasn’t, majority was still on 1080p at that point

[atomic void]

majority are still on 1080p even today

1440p monitors were cheap back then

[sleek garden]

that was like 8 years ago though

[serene bough]

Its helps a bit, which is why I think it would be a perfect buff for kraks

In addition to all the other aforementioned ideas

[loud belfry]

all I've learned from nvidia recently is that you should wait for the super refresh if you can. always better and cheaper or same price

[hollow ibex]

(or just buy AMD instead)

[loud belfry]

4070 ti super is just what the 4070 ti should've already been

[unreal nova]

I know, I ran it specifically for the penance lul.

[loud belfry]

does amd have rtx super resolution for videos

[hollow ibex]

realistically, nobody needs nvidia unless they're doing something that requires CUDA or some other NVIDIA software compatibility

[hollow ibex]

idk, but it's not like nvidia's is particularly good

[gilded raft]

Or want a quality video card

[atomic void]

im avoiding this gen in its entirity
im not buying a card that cant play so many older games cause they changed their PhysX stuff

[hollow ibex]

which AMD cards are as well

[atomic void]

nvidia prior to this gen had the edge in software and upscaling stuff by far
this gen they have their head so far up their own ass tho

[gilded raft]

Dunno man, those don't taste the same... Too crunchy

[loud belfry]

it's rather unlikely they're gonna fix that going to the future tbh

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[calm shard]

AMD has more or less completely caught up to NVIDIA in terms of GPU quality now

[hollow ibex]

and FSR 4 has seen massive improvements

[atomic void]

then bye bye nvidia
im not buying something that cant play older stuff

[hollow ibex]

the only real downside of this AMD gen

[atomic void]

what is this a console

[hollow ibex]

is that they're not competing at the top-end with NVIDIA

[calm shard]

I only have a Nvidia GPU because it was gifted to me

[hollow ibex]

so NVIDIA still has free reign to cuck over anyone that wants a 5090

[atomic void]

i made a mistake not getting a 4070tisuper when i found one for 650$

now its not even in stock

[loud belfry]

that would've been a great idea

tragic

rtx super resolution is awesome though. they even improved it in January when the 5000 drivers released. 30% more resource efficient AND looks better

only problem is finding a media player that supports it

[hollow ibex]

mpv does, and what's what i use

[atomic void]

mpv is the best

[hollow ibex]

i'm sure there are others as well

[tall torrent]

I’m paying my friend 800 USD for his rig

In Canada the same specs can go for ~2.9k CAD before tax

[loud belfry]

then there's also rtx hdr which makes non-hdr stuff look more hdr. also nice

[atomic void]

insane deal for the entire thing wow

[tall torrent]

Even with shipping and customs, it’s still less than half of its market price in Canada

[atomic void]

i should get some new parts from merica before tarrifs hit

i have a contact coming soon

[tall torrent]

In 3 months time a new iPhone could cost as much as 2500+ USD

Because of the 125% tariffs on China

[pseudo fiber]

When you get your new pc can you rerecord the rager video for fun

[atomic void]

everything tech is gonna be out of reach

if this goes through

we're so fucked lmao

[tall torrent]

And the funniest thing is

Even at 125% tariffs, US-made products still aren’t competitive with CN-made ones

Tariffs need to be like 700%+ to bring them to ~same price

[atomic void]

yep its why the whole thing is a massive joke

[tall torrent]

But >60% already makes businesses economically unviable

[atomic void]

its ok they're just doing some market manipualtion

[warm idol]

finding well priced pc parts these days is a pain in general

[tall torrent]

I could try

It should be a lot better in recording

[warm idol]

I lucked out that a local store had everything I needed at msrp when I upgraded it a couple years ago

[tall torrent]

My current laptop heats up a lot when I record DT

Not sure why

[atomic void]

laptops heat up when doing anything remotely taxing

bad cooling

[gilded raft]

DT is weirdly cpu heavy and laptops have weak, poorly cooled gpus

Try a fan cooling pad going at full blast for your laptop

[tall torrent]

I’m already using one

It still spikes in temp

[gilded raft]

It drops a few degrees of the top and delays thermal throttling

[atomic void]

nothing works lol

[tall torrent]

Nah cooling pad does work

Really well

[atomic void]

the only laptops with decent cooling are the ones close to costing 2000$

[gilded raft]

Yeah, that's the best you can do with it

[tall torrent]

It’s just DT recording that is wack

[gilded raft]

Laptops aren't powerhouses

You give up some beef for portability

[atomic void]

last time i had a laptop was 3 years ago before getting my current rig and it was pretty ass to game on if the game is heavy

[calm shard]

why do I have to though

[gilded raft]

And dt is a bit of a hog

[calm shard]

make a laptop a briefcase

I don't want flimsy breaks if you look at it the wrong way tech

[hollow ibex]

5090 losing a fourth of its vram in the laptop version

[calm shard]

I want tech that I can drop and it'll crack the concrete

[gilded raft]

That exists, but not for average consumers

[warm idol]

I had a laptop a long time ago and it was awful for gaming lol

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/crunchy-cat-eyes-cat-tired-just-woke-up-gif-17675956404422399542

[atomic void]

the market for laptop is people wanting it for mobility

[warm idol]

these days everyone I know uses a tablet for portability for things like uni

[atomic void]

heavy laptops go against that

[hollow ibex]

yeah laptop gaming is so ass

[atomic void]

gaming laptops are already too beefy

[gilded raft]

Reinforced laptops are a thing, but usually sold as specialty hardware not mass consumer stuff

[warm idol]

and for portable gaming there's steam deck/switch

[gilded raft]

Most people use laptops to run a browser, that's why macs with the shittiest cooling are somehow popular

[atomic void]

i mean general role of thumb is if you're a heavy gamer u go desktop unless u dont have space or move a lot

[warm idol]

i'd rather have a console than a laptop for gaming tbh

at least stuff on console runs as it's supposed to run (usually)

[gilded raft]

At 25% the quality of a good PC

[warm idol]

i'm not saying it's better

but for the average joe a console is prolly more appealing than investing in a gaming pc

the only boon they have for me are exclusives

and some of them are really good

[gilded raft]

The advantage of console is that studios can optimize for known hardware

[hollow ibex]

PC is multipurpose for me. not just for gaming

[elder fiber]

what exclusives does ps5 still have besides astro playroom and bad art design demons souls remake

[warm idol]

isn't that the case for everyone?

[atomic void]

none they;re all coming to pc

[warm idol]

I do a lot more on my pc than games

[warm idol]

ONE GAME

[gilded raft]

And yeah, consoles are vastly more popular for most gamers than pc

[warm idol]

I DONT KNOW WHY

[hollow ibex]

a lot of people don't us anything other than phones now, or their work-issued laptops

[warm idol]

but yeah a lot of ps exclusives luckily come to pc

switch exclusives will prolly remain switch exclusives

outside of emulation

[elder fiber]

yeah I'm not paying 90$ per game for fucking mario, just hope people can keep emulation going for switch 2 unlike what happened with switch 1

[warm idol]

at least stuff like switch/3ds are portable so that's a big plus for em

[atomic void]

games nowadays take 5 years minnimum to be made and have movie tier budgets
releasing on one platform is not profitable

so everything gets ported

[warm idol]

I honestly don't care about mario

as far as switch 2 exclusives

im getting it for fromsofts new game

[elder fiber]

donkey kong red faction looks cool, I'm still not getting switch 2 for it

[hollow ibex]

i have never, and will never buy a device because of exclusives

[loud belfry]

donkey kong red faction lol

[hollow ibex]

(except for all the games exclusive to PC)

[loud belfry]

it does look awesome for its destruction. when you compare it to red faction 1 it does makes dk look bad tho

[warm idol]

pc exclusives tend to make sense as they are either indies where the devs don't have the resources to port it to consoles or are demanding enough that they would melt consoles

[elder fiber]

Red Faction: Gorilla, sequel to Red Faction: Guerilla

[warm idol]

where frankly console exclusives just exist to sell the consoles

[gilded raft]

Except a toaster exclusively for toast and a coffee machine exclusively for coffee

[loud belfry]

like rf1 had that kinda destruction, though on an inferior level, 20 years ago. kinda weird how advanced that game was

[hollow ibex]

[unreal nova]

I have an oven for that (toast) and more. I don't (can't) drink coffee normally anyway.

[pseudo fiber]

I wish I could joke here but outside of things that haven't released yet that's literally it

[warm idol]

I have bought a ps4 originally for bloodborne

and tbh I don't regret it considering it's still my fav fromsoft game outside of armored core

[elder fiber]

yeah ps4s actually had exclusives + that was back when I still played FGs competitively so having console setup was valuable. Not doing that now + ps5 is a piece of shit that overheats at tournaments lmao

[pseudo fiber]

Weren't some tekken players getting shocks from the USB ports on thenps5

[elder fiber]

probably

the ports also melted sometimes at EVO iirc

[fervent quest]

The Viet Kong

[hollow trail]

is the chainsword any good in higher difficulties? the horde clear is satisfying but it doesn’t seem to take down specials as well as the rest of my kit

[narrow frost]

to be blunt, its terrible

but if you get good with it, you can beat aurics with it

every weapon and build is viable

[hollow trail]

damn 😔

combat axe it is

[narrow frost]

run whatever

its a video game

play what is fun

[tropic notch]

It’s the fastest trash hoard clear in the game

It has a funny interaction with wrath

[hollow trail]

no wonder it shreds so much harder than axe lmao

that seems Mildly Silly

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent and @narrow frost I noticed the both of your guides has rampage what bp does that reach with the chain sword?

[tropic notch]

I will say the combat axe is better