veteran-class

[austere mica]

In what reasonable havoc game is everyone going to be pulling more than a million each

[sharp epoch]

a 44 minute one

[austere mica]

I should specify and say more than like 1.5 because more than 1.0 isn’t terrible

[sharp epoch]

I've seen missions more than a hour 1.5 mil damage would be a given there

[austere mica]

That isn’t exactly a reasonable game is it

[sharp epoch]

You can run any build also if your team can carry you

I was able to carry a lvl 60 clerance level 20 psyker on an h40 who kept dying

[normal bay]

That's not a good justification for a build

[sharp epoch]

Ik so just having someone win an h40 with fotf doesnt mean its a good build

needs to be consistent wins

with good performance

[normal bay]

You can say that about book zealots too?

Or literally any class

[manic moon]

38+ havocs

[sharp epoch]

Yes and I've consistently won with book zealots

[austere mica]

Doesn’t mean you can’t win with FotF

[normal bay]

And people win consistently without it too?

[sharp epoch]

FOTF zealots just do bad everytime I get them

they play more selfishly

Same for any stealth subclass

Or gunlugger ogryns

[manic moon]

tf you smokin gunlugger rumbler atm is ogryns #1 build

[dry cloak]

Ripper glugger is reallt fun

[normal bay]

Certain builds will attract more bad players. But I've seen plenty of fotf zealots carry a game. And gunlugger Ogryns wipe the entire screen/delete a boss

[manic moon]

well fun was never the problem for gunlugger builds

[dry cloak]

Not having ammo is the problem

[manic moon]

ya

but rumbler and heavy stubber reasonably ammo efficent now

[sharp epoch]

how is it the #1 build if ammo is the problem

[austere mica]

Because it’s infinite cleave dot

[manic moon]

if u have veteran you go rumbler

if u dont have veteran u go stubber

[sharp epoch]

ok but you cant do it if you dont have ammo..

[manic moon]

you dont need to spam that thing 24/7

[dry cloak]

Hstubbs are very ammo efficient. Krourk especially im yet to run out of ammo in game

[manic moon]

its there to clear bulwark/crusher/bosses

[austere mica]

Ogryn also has access to true infinite ammo

[manic moon]

the rock

[normal bay]

You can take a BLO node that regens ammo. Vet also gives good resupply with survivalist

[sharp epoch]

idk I think hh ogryn still better than gl

[normal bay]

As a whole? Yes

[manic moon]

HH ogryn has trouble keeping teammates alive

but yews its really close

[normal bay]

But there are some awesome lugger builds now, rumbler being one of them

[austere mica]

Back off

[manic moon]

rumbler spam is also good cc

[sharp epoch]

i mean taunt has way better uptime than rumbler spamming

[austere mica]

The 10% lucky bullet chance on melee kill

[sharp epoch]

which keeps teamamtes alive

[normal bay]

Or you can go hybrid if you're ok with less ammo regen

[calm shard]

doesn't it also give that crit 100% rending?

[manic moon]

taunt doesnt kill

[austere mica]

Yes

[calm shard]

whuh

[manic moon]

and tbh best part of taunt is not the taunt itself its the +25% dmg taken

[sharp epoch]

yeah but it makes it easier for your team to kill esp with the damage mode

[calm shard]

oh back off

right

[calm shard]

taunt itself is honestly pretty good too

it's a lot of toughness regen

I use Go Again+Bruiser for my oggy havoc build expressly because it lets me get away with stupid shit

[dry cloak]

Toffness

[calm shard]

like tanking a dreg captain and both twins

by myself

and not dying

[normal bay]

Well you have the free shot on a lucky bullet proc.

Then the other node that increases your chance to fire off a free shot after x amount of melee kills (up to 100%).

Not really regen, reduced use

[sharp epoch]

yup ogryns busted

[manic moon]

.... you can do that with literally any build any wep on ogryn atm

[sharp epoch]

nah my gunlugger ogryns go down 3 times in the first 5 minutes

[manic moon]

thats a skissue as allways

[normal bay]

Nevermind all the lugger ogryns who don't do that

They aren't real

You don't have the same survivability as meleegryn. The dps is nuts when you need it though

[sharp epoch]

theres no point anyways

ogryns can win h40s by just slap spamming

[calm shard]

yeah PBB is kind of just a "fuck you AI director I win" button

[grizzled pebble]

@banditell sry was me

[regal belfry]

what is the purpose of shock mauls

[normal bay]

Safety stick

Something dangerous coming at you? Tase them with the special

[regal belfry]

tries to shock a chaos spawn it didn't work

[calm shard]

they can taze bulwarks through their shields which is pretty cool

if it weren't for their mid damage and kinda shit blessing pool they'd be good weapons

also they have weirdly low stagger for being a m a c e

[regal belfry]

looks at crusher.... this bonks better

[calm shard]

less stagger and damage than combat axe btw

for some unknowable reason

[normal bay]

[regal belfry]

damage fine but stagger seriously

[normal bay]

Worth it to troll bulwarks tbh

[regal belfry]

if i want to troll bullwarks i zap them with ek staff

[normal bay]

Vet might struggle with that

[regal belfry]

look how manny kraks i have

more then two gonna be annoying if not using plasma

[elder fiber]

Shock mauls are mid melee weapons that work decently at auric lvl for vet without much melee imvestmemt

Not having to use resources for bulwark racism is always nice

[tidal reef]

whats dumpstat on hellbore

[normal bay]

Stability

[tidal reef]

neat

[slim pagoda]

what does karking mean

a vet over here can't stop saying it

[regal belfry]

is replacment for the f-word

[tough tiger]

ogryn version is grut

[sleek garden]

Irs pretty decent at killing heavies though

I take perfect block talent on the shock maul just to deal with ragers easier

Skullcrusher works great with it

[timber geyser]

Hey there been a returning player and i'm just getting my talent trees sorted.

i dont remember exactly anymore what i played before i left but my veteran is carrieng a bolter and i know i used Executioner stance to absolutely delete bosses. Is that still a viable playstyle?

[normal bay]

Yeah, Exe stance bolter still works

[timber geyser]

❤️‍🔥 💀

People yap about plasma and las riffles and they can do that all they want but i think its way more satisfieng playing a Bolter or any mashinegun

[normal bay]

Those builds are much safer, since you can run VoC. Probably why you hear about it more

[slow spade]

Bolter is arguably on par with plasma now

Just maybe not in Havoc lol

[timber geyser]

Which one would you guys is better to pick for getting to survivalist? Both Get back in the fight and catch a breath sound super shit

[tame lodge]

CaB>>>> gbitf

[slow spade]

Funny because Catch a breath is the only actually useful one

Catch a breath lets you facetank shooters

Because you're still regening toughness

[timber geyser]

[slow spade]

The only catch is "don't get shanked"

Surely not a high bar right?

[timber geyser]

My allies (i love my friends i swear) make this bar higher then you might think

[slow spade]

Fun times UwU

[unreal nova]

Extra funni with gold toughness

[barren nimbus]

Is power cycler and brutal momentum best on power sword

sunder also seems good

[hollow ibex]

yeah

not a huge fan of sunder, though sunder can be ok too

[tame lodge]

Sunder is like
3rd option

[barren nimbus]

its kinda insane that power cycler isnt a base feature lmfao

[orchid hemlock]

This is what I use for Bolter:

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d69293a-2b68-4cb2-b221-c5f5493fd880/bolt-deez-nutts?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[faint beacon]

Sunder is good on Mk3

But it’s objectively a worse PS

[orchid hemlock]

I think gbitf is better in high havocs

Because be honest, when are you ever going to NOT be close to an enemy?

[faint beacon]

Well it’s no longer close

If you get tagged in melee then it drops

[tame lodge]

Orcka
It got updated

[faint beacon]

So it’s just “coherency regen” till you get hit over the head with a brick

[wind grotto]

yeah I think cab easily wins the choice now even if it's still not very good

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hyppy-gif-9091438043443803258

[wind grotto]

well not very good compared to the other good skill above the other auras

[orchid hemlock]

What did it change ?

[orchid hemlock]

[wind grotto]

like still not great but easily the better choice between that or get back in the fight

[tall torrent]

nah, GBITF is pure bait in high havoc

no toughness grace

if GBITF was 6s invulnerability, maybe

but it's not

[wind grotto]

before I wouldn't take cab because it was functionally useless but it doesn't take much to beat get half your stam back and not much else

[hollow ibex]

it's sad how pathetic GBITF has been for some time now

there used to be an argument that it was a bit better than CAB, potentially

when ranged stuns were a thing

but then that was removed

so CAB became imo the slightly better option

and then CAB got buffed, while GBITF's still completely useless

[barren nimbus]

does agile engagement buff grenades

[serene bough]

Before the update i would agree, but now that it's regen based on being hit and not on proximity CaB is unanimously better

[grand perch]

gbitf has always been dogshit imo

[barren nimbus]

does the bleed blessing on bolt pistol proc on aoe

im wondering if maybe thats the best

[unreal nova]

No.

[barren nimbus]

does the aoe buff on it work with my melee out

[unreal nova]

Only initial target of the shot for bleed.

The increase in radius, yes.

Is global.

As in, just active all the time.

'Nading with knoife out or another 'nade, still beeg boomies.

[barren nimbus]

do nades tend to explode into peoples chests, legs, or heads? so like would unarmoured get good value

or mutants

[serene bough]

it wasnt great, but neither was toughness regen when no enemies were in 8m of you

i almost never noticed it being impactful considering the intensity of enemies & frequency of melee combat at higher difficulties

[grand perch]

occasional toughness regen was always better than a skill doing just about nothing

[serene bough]

thats the thing, i almost never noticed toughness regen bc of how frequently i'd be in melee, or get it from other sources like infil or VoC

[trim badger]

GBITF was good for my Havoc shenanigans back then

Because enemies would swarm you anyways so

[serene bough]

whereas GBITF would bail you out from a really bad misplay

[trim badger]

But because CAB now gives you toughness even if enemies are close then yeah it's better for me now

[serene bough]

yeah agreed

[trim badger]

I should really start playing vet again in Havoc

[rose reef]

Morrow Lore from Mortis Trials

comic by: lonelyoleander

[unreal nova]

Legs, I assume. Unless you god at long throws.

[tall torrent]

Explosion hits core armor type (except scab rager, which has separate core for explosion damage)

Ex: reaper has unyielding

Gunner (both) has flak

Scab rager has flak core but uses carapace vs explosion

[split grove]

For plasma on high havoc should i add flak and maniac back on

I two tap flamers and gunners now

[lyric wadi]

any good builds for a rifle? I got bored of the revolver

[tiny gust]

Is there anything worth trying on this class besides Duelist Sword/Plasma

I’m having a hard time swapping off of those

[narrow frost]

It's a video game play what is fun to you

Everything is worth trying

I was probably around 1.5k hours in before I found the tactical axe

And that's been my fav weapon for the past 1k hours

[gilded wraith]

How's chainaxe with opportunist and slaughterer as a viable melee and grenade debuff weapon?

[narrow frost]

How would opportunist help?

[lyric wadi]

Like what stats for Recon lasgun?

[gilded wraith]

Stagger based 25 rending.

[narrow frost]

Check pins

Path has a guide for every weapon stats and setup

[narrow frost]

You'd get more dps out of thrust

[gilded wraith]

More for shredder grenades.

[narrow frost]

Unsure if it applies

I get what you are saying

Sounds fun if it works

[gilded wraith]

I believe it does from testing.

[narrow frost]

Uncanny would do it better though

[gilded wraith]

Yeah... sigh.

[narrow frost]

So shovel, knife, ds

Sadly

100% rending is better than 25

[split grove]

Is tacaxe really that good

[gilded wraith]

It does increase with stagger level, but that's tricky to gauge.

[tropic notch]

I’m pretty sure the chain axe is headtaker and slaughter

[tropic notch]

It’s alright

If you like push attack

[gilded wraith]

I swear the old debuff mod used to show stagger level.

[narrow frost]

Headtaker + slaughter/thrust

[split grove]

I dislike cos stamina low means i die

[formal ice]

Get more stamina

Duh

[tropic notch]

Ogryn has infinite stam now

[split grove]

Well yea but ogryn no tacaxe

[tropic notch]

[formal ice]

What this have to do with veteran?

[lyric wadi]

Im trying out the Recon Lasgun

[split grove]

Infernus dumdum

[tropic notch]

He was referring to how when he’s out of stam he dies and so I stated that ogryn has inf stam

[gilded wraith]

On the 12

[tropic notch]

You big fat meanie

[formal ice]

I am skinny

You dumb something something

[tropic notch]

Yeah

Don’t ask @tall torrent about my reading comprehension

[true geode]

I started running focus target and while I miss weapon master the added boss dps is nice in 30+s… only bad part is it’s such habit to just mark every trapper / flamer / bomber and I waste marks sometimes

[lyric wadi]

Infernus dumdum?

And which type of the reocn?

high firerate?

medium firerate?

[split grove]

Largest ammo pool one

Highest

[unreal nova]

So you are just extra furry? Pat pat.

[lyric wadi]

So the green one

[split grove]

Idk what green one means

Dump stat is mobility or collat

[hollow ibex]

Mk XII or Mk VI

[sharp epoch]

i thought lowest firerate the most ammo efficiemt

[split grove]

Fastest fire rate so u can stack brittle faster

[hollow ibex]

Mk VI is the most ammo efficient

[split grove]

And crit for infernus

[hollow ibex]

Onslaught isn’t a great talent anyway

[split grove]

I guess

[narrow frost]

I love taking a 4 point tax talent that a melee weapon can do with 0

Onslaught trap

[sharp epoch]

thats just vet balancing taxes on everything

[narrow frost]

Not really

[tall torrent]

B tier pick

[narrow frost]

He can already deal with my cara with other ranged options

[unreal nova]

But, but, but, blessing tax.

[narrow frost]

And he gets kraks

[tiny gust]

What are the reasons you run tac-axe? Move set? Mobility? Versatility?

[tame lodge]

No

[unreal nova]

:3

[tall torrent]

I do think tac axe is the closest to make the jump from B to A tier

[narrow frost]

Speed, mobility and attack speed. And the combos

Push attacks using heavy in different situations

And lights for adm

To crit fish

Just a fun knife for me

[tiny gust]

I gotta get off the dueling sword addiction

[split grove]

Besides ds4 is there a weapon that can stabby carapace to death

[sharp epoch]

psword combat knife

[hollow ibex]

Power sword kills crushers faster than DS

[split grove]

Ps6 with the push attack?

[narrow frost]

Rashad

[tiny gust]

Maybe with special + heavy?

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[hollow ibex]

Push attack and light

[split grove]

Whats the havoc perk blessings

[tiny gust]

I don’t believe you

[hollow ibex]

Test it yourself

[tiny gust]

Are we talking about any stacks of melee specialist or anything?

[sharp epoch]

you gotta have certain talents and carapace 25% but its a breakpoint

[hollow ibex]

You need bring it down

OR 25 percent carapace damage

I take BID

[tiny gust]

Damn

I didn’t know

[hollow ibex]

And then maniac and elite

[tiny gust]

Still the power sword is just the relic sword methed out little brother

[sharp epoch]

on havoc with all three of those you cant two tap crushers

[hollow ibex]

Will prob need three tap

Actually do crushers get more hp in havoc?

[sharp epoch]

depressing

yes

[split grove]

Aite, i’ll go psword

[hollow ibex]

Three tap is still very fast at least

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure they get the elite hp buff.

[hollow ibex]

The lights on PS are fast

[split grove]

Whats the perk blessing for psword for havoc

Is it unchanged?

[unreal nova]

Because they aren't dying in 4 headtaps of DS4 on my Zealot.

[sharp epoch]

what do u have already

[atomic void]

they should get more hp outsdie havoc
crusher should be this big OH SHIT enemy and not a push over

[split grove]

Iirc its bromentim and + 1 power swing

[tiny gust]

I’ll try power sword again. I just wish it’s special wasn’t so dog shut

[sharp epoch]

its the same then

[split grove]

I’ll go unyielding cara on it then

[hollow ibex]

The charge? Yeah it’s annoying

[tall torrent]

Not quite true

[tame lodge]

Like times 1.5 on high havoc

[tall torrent]

Power sword is better in like

Every metric

[tame lodge]

Doomstack on stack

[tall torrent]

Besides having to turn it on every 3 hits

[atomic void]

relic blade cooler

[split grove]

Relic needs a buff

[atomic void]

[sharp epoch]

im sure relic sword has better block and mobility

[split grove]

Fgs is literally the coolest wep in the game

[sharp epoch]

powerswords block folds so fast

[tall torrent]

Block yes
Sprint speed no
Dodge distance no

[sharp epoch]

unless you stack block efficiency

[tiny gust]

Power sword wishes it had relic sword special

[narrow frost]

no

[tiny gust]

What is it good at

Killing elites?

[tall torrent]

Everything

[tame lodge]

[atomic void]

both power weapons are blenders at the cost of no movement

[tiny gust]

Not in my testing unfortunately

[tame lodge]

Smh

[tiny gust]

It’s literally mid

Damn near max rolls too

[narrow frost]

What kind of testing?

[atomic void]

in what world is power sword mid

[hollow ibex]

Relic blade is a fucking blender

[sharp epoch]

you also kinda need a team that enables you cause you'll fold unsupported

[hollow ibex]

And same with PS… when it’s charged at least

[tiny gust]

I know relic is good

Power just meh. Like I said I’ll make a new one

And try it

[atomic void]

you probably dont have the right blessings TM

[tiny gust]

Pretty sure until they nerf dueling, there is no winning for me on vet

[atomic void]

goofy ass weapon i swear

[hollow ibex]

A measly 3600 dps against crushers smh

[atomic void]

(its great)

[sharp epoch]

if you wanna win just play ogryn

he has best weapon in game

[tiny gust]

It’s nice don’t get me wrong but you’re doing like three inputs here

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1351979601563484180/1352026993847435414/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.03.19_-_17.12.10.07.mp4?ex=67f78b82&is=67f63a02&hm=ab9e0585f271a71ff4d7136fcd12d35a7295d1e3008ee900d5ff25ef905e494e&

[atomic void]

whole ass 3 inputs....

[tiny gust]

What if you run into 2 or more crushers

[tiny gust]

Like when you play havoc

[sharp epoch]

you basically keep spamming that is what you do

[narrow frost]

I was literally going to do that path, lol. My internet is dying

[tiny gust]

You gonna stand there and press special attack into block cancel light?

[sharp epoch]

except havoc is a little more annoying cause crushers have 5400 hp

[atomic void]

i mean its really not that hard of a combo

other weapons need way more effort

ds is just fkn stupid

[tiny gust]

I’m not saying it’s a hard combo

I’m just wondering how she performs in a fucked situation

[sharp epoch]

hes recording a video of 3 crushers now

[tiny gust]

Like you’re not gonna be pressing special attack a whole lot when the going gets tough

[hollow ibex]

Nah you will

[narrow frost]

You are

[hollow ibex]

It’s not like you stop charging the weapon once a rager pack shows up lol

[atomic void]

you def will

[sharp epoch]

it works in high havocs you just need to stick with your team its not a solo queue clutch weapon

[hollow ibex]

It’s not like relic blade where it’s still a weapon uncharged

PS is a wet noodle uncharged

[sharp epoch]

i remember tiny crab arguing its still op uncharged

like wat

[tall torrent]

is this good enough

I didn't use VoC so no extra stagger for safety

[atomic void]

how crusher gameplay should be

[sharp epoch]

ok now add 10 more

and bulwarks

[tall torrent]

at some point ur gonna start adding blitz and ability

[tiny gust]

That’s what I mean

[tall torrent]

4 is not bad for zero resource investment tho

u can do a lot more than 4 if u don't care about kill speed

just run around

[sharp epoch]

what mod is the dodge counter thing you got btw

[tall torrent]

show_remaining_dodges

[sharp epoch]

the numericui one is so ugly

thabsk

[tall torrent]

ik that's why I don't use it lol

[tiny gust]

That’s pretty good. Did you special attack during a block there?

[tall torrent]

u can block cancel from special into push atk

[sharp epoch]

its just press special block click in that order pretty fast not even that fast

[tall torrent]

here's moveset flowchart & basic combos

and here's attack basic info

@tiny gust

and, if ur wondering

this 2-hit breakpoint can change in havoc (into 3 hit baseline)

[tiny gust]

Thanks

[tall torrent]

but with certain temporary buffs (like marksman + CQKZ), u can maintain 2 hit vs crusher & bulwark

which puts it very far ahead of basically every other melee weapon on veteran

including duelling sword

duelling sword is 2~3 hit vs crusher in base game, 3~4 in havoc (for veteran)

[tiny gust]

I don’t think that last bit is possible but I will give it another try !

[tall torrent]

but duelling sword has much lower unyielding dmg, relying on crits for its main unyielding dps

[atomic void]

i think i'd see way more PS vets if they changed the heat mechanic to resemble what relic blade uses

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

It’s very janky right now

[tall torrent]

power sword has higher unyielding burst but comparable unyielding sustain

[atomic void]

tho ngl if they give it the same mechanic it should be a much shorter duration cause PS deals more dps per hit

[sharp epoch]

i like how it is now the relic blade mechanic sucks when it runs out

[atomic void]

just manage it

and relic blade is actually useable unpowered

[hollow ibex]

Relic blade isn’t bad when unpowered though

[tall torrent]

I want power sword unpowered to do a bit more infested dmg

so it can kill pox hounds easier while unpowered

[sharp epoch]

its just a stab bonk im ok with the current unpowered dmg

[unreal nova]

You can still kill things with unpowered relic...

Unpowered ps on groaners is already a joke.

I swear things die faster to my knoife.

[sharp epoch]

there was a guy once genuinely saying unpowered ps is op and put slaughterer bm on it

[tiny gust]

To be fair I haven’t looked at power sword blessings in two years

[tiny gust]

Was he wearing a tinfoil hat?

[narrow frost]

....but you called psword meh?

[sharp epoch]

he was possessed by tzenech

[tiny gust]

I was using my pre weapon system rework power sword. In its defense. Max rolls in regular Damnation felts kind of meh

But I’m rusty with the combos on it

[tall torrent]

For power sword? Nah

Not more than other melee weapons anyway

Except knife

And DS, since they can run away from problems

[serene bough]

Thanks for sharing i love this

[rose reef]

no problem im glad you like it!

[hollow ibex]

That reminds me

Still need to try the new mode

[unreal nova]

Is fun. Wave 1 is boring but that's like the first min for any survivor game.

[thorn lark]

You can use a slaughterer BM sword. That's what we did before power cycler.

[sharp epoch]

that was when we didnt need power cycler

[thorn lark]

I said "use"

[sharp epoch]

you can use anything then

the context is use in havoc

[thorn lark]

ah yeah, no way then

[dry cloak]

Heh after playing exe stance mmf shredder. I can comfortably say its really fun

And quite effective at close to medium range

[fervent mesa]

what are yall running for mortis?

it feels hard to keep up even in third difficulty

[sterile garnet]

if youre struggling at 3rd difficulty, its not your build

play more, learn the combat

then yo uwill see results

[fervent mesa]

ive been fine in auric yet this seems to be kicking my ass so I was wondering if im doing something wrong even if its just not build wise

do yall have any tips

[normal bay]

Malice has more spawns than the higher diffs on Mortis Trials

[sharp epoch]

mortis you really just need to know the fundamentals, like are you dying to being overwhelmed just by horde or what

[fervent mesa]

when I die its usually when there's a horde of trappers or bursters

or any combination including either of those

[sharp epoch]

trappers you could either stay with your team or just prioritize them before they become a threat

[normal bay]

Need to be listening and ready to react, push and dodge away

[tame lodge]

Death Dealer twin linked oggy

[fervent mesa]

when they are all around its hard to know where they are

[sharp epoch]

bursters I'd position yourself where your only dealing with a few at a time and you can see them coming

[normal bay]

The real secret is Ogryn Grenades

[sharp epoch]

if your standing in the middle the bursters can come from anyh direction

[fervent mesa]

ohhh

ur right

[sharp epoch]

also any sorta gold toughness will save you from a hit of a burster

[fervent mesa]

ye I run shout but can only survive so many

[sharp epoch]

if theres a conga line of them you see, frag can also blow the whole thing up

[normal bay]

Also, don't shoot them point blank

You would think this would be obvious but...

[fervent mesa]

lol nah I push em

[craggy goblet]

ppl shoot them because they don’t know how to push, i shoot them cuz i WILL dispense holy bolter fire on the enemies of the imperium for the emperor

we are not the same

[fervent mesa]

just cleared in diff 4 the tip of not staying in the middle of everything helped a lot lol

dealing with trappers also seems like a lot of team effort more than anything

[sharp epoch]

👍

[normal bay]

But in the middle is where all the fun is

Also lets you respond easier to teammates getting into trouble

[unreal nova]

You mean, EVERY SINGLE 'NADE GOING OFF.

[vernal trench]

Forgot mortis trials existed

[grand perch]

the hardest part of it is not going below 20 fps due to ogryn nades

[unreal nova]

Naw, it's just a slide show.

[mellow adder]

For Plasma guns, is the dump stat thermal resistance?

[tall torrent]

Only if you’re broke on resources

[mellow adder]

Gambled a bit and this was as close as I got with my remaining dockets lol

[hollow ibex]

#veteran-class message

[mellow adder]

ty!

[grand perch]

pin that and we could retire @tired egret

[uncut pebble]

Honestly, we got flamers optimal setups pinned in zeal chat, we should have plasma pinned here, too.

[umbral scaffold]

guys this song is amazing you have to check it out #darktide-pics-vids message

[fervent quest]

Just infantry lasguns left and I'm done with mastery. Any blessings/perks/marks recommendations?

[tame lodge]

2b

Headhunter+Ghost

Flak Maniacs

If you don't want ghost then infernus

Infantry Lasguns suffer from reverse fall off

you'll deal less damage to close targets

So keep that in mind yeah

[fervent quest]

Worth taking Shock Trooper or is the ammo efficiency good enough it's not really needed?

[tame lodge]

Lemme see if I remember this correctly

If you're running survivalist then shock trooper is optional

Or something along those lines

[fervent quest]

And does the VII do anything the Niergun can't? Just sort of like the green finish opposed to blue 🤣

[tame lodge]

I think it kills elites and specials slightly better but with worse ammo economy

And we don't talk about the IX

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

[uncut pebble]

The IX needs some love, badly. It should be able to comfortably hit oneshot breakpoints on headshots, imo.

[cobalt lance]

Are pistols bad on veteran?

I prefer to quickly pull out my ranged and kill the baddie charging me

[slow spade]

Its not going to stop a daemonhost

But its usable

[gilded rock]

Revolvers are quite meta, bistols are quite good, laspistols are pretty usable

I have a marksman's focus laspistol build that I think is fun every now and then

[hollow ibex]

All the pistols are good

Even shredder

[tame lodge]

The 10 is kinda
The 2 is goated

[stuck tree]

Big damage

[orchid hemlock]

Revolvers are one of the best weapons for Vet atm

[slow spade]

Oh lol idk why I thought only of laspistols lol

[orchid hemlock]

I mean in Havoc.....

[marble yew]

What is the most meta veteran loadout today?

[stuck tree]

Errr plasma

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

You can replace that melee with the power sword

[unreal nova]

Plasma duelling sword shout.

.-.

[tropic notch]

And gun with bolt pistol or plasma

[stuck tree]

Ya

[orchid hemlock]

Ur mom

[unreal forge]

thoughts on this build for combat shotgun

[hollow ibex]

Replace GBITF with CAB

Drop exhilarating take down

Drop 8 stacks FT and take redirect fire

Take demo team and bring it down

I’d honestly just drop everything on the top left. Not worth it

Maybe even close order drill. What melee are you using?

[haughty summit]

whats the dump stat on plasma gun?

[narrow frost]

71-72 charge, 69-68 thermal

[haughty summit]

thanks dawg

[undone sigil]

Thems some specific values

[narrow frost]

yes

8 light shots to full thermal

[undone sigil]

Does that let you get an extra shot off before cooking?

[narrow frost]

*left clicks

from 0 thermal its 8 left clicks

[undone sigil]

Shame the heavy isn't worthwhile

[narrow frost]

sadly

[undone sigil]

Wonder if they made it more of an explosion like voidblast stave that it'd have options

Though the weapon is great enough as is

[unreal forge]

does CAB trigger when you don't receive damage from melee for 5 seconds or when you don't get targeted by a melee enemy for 5 seconds?

[stuck gorge]

dont get hit

[unreal forge]

cuz the way it's described makes me think the latter

[regal smelt]

damage

[unreal forge]

I see, that does make it worth it

[stuck gorge]

as long as youre dodging its active

[regal smelt]

I assume it's the same trigger for the vet penance where you cant take melee damage, which means toughness damage shouldnt count

[unreal forge]

for the top left the extra reload speed is a must-have and the 20% extra damage from range helps with taking out snipers

but it's mostly for the reload speed cuz combat shotgun without reloadspeedmaxxing sucks to use

[regal smelt]

definitely don't need the toughness talent next to those especially if you're going down another lane for toughness anyways

[hollow ibex]

Don’t get hit and don’t block a hit

[hollow ibex]

Long shot is ass. Basically a tax node

[hollow ibex]

Fair enough

[sharp epoch]

I think blocking will count as being hit

I can test but thats what I remember

[gilded wraith]

Blocking ends the buff for 5 seconds if I remember Path correctly.

[vapid thunder]

does veteran have a single unique weapon 😭

boring ah class

[formal ice]

Yeah?

Are you blind?

[regal smelt]

plasma powerswords and shovels are really good, otherwise the tree builds into ranged heavily enough that ranged gameplay is completely different from other classes

[sharp epoch]

ranged: plasma and helbore, melee: shovels and psword

so yeah vet doesnt have much variety in unique weapons

[formal ice]

Thats enough weapons

Wait 4 more years

[stuck gorge]

vet has weapons in general

thats enough

wait for DLC to come out

[formal ice]

The Guardsman Weapon Pack

[regal smelt]

5 more variants of helbore

all of them are just minor charge speed to damage differences between the already existing ones

[formal ice]

Makes smoke grenade actually good too

[regal smelt]

gives you 5 more talent points

but only for vet and the helbores are bundled

[sharp epoch]

make helbores actually different maybe and actually useful

[regal smelt]

nah just more of them

[formal ice]

Buffs the sniper side of the tree

The other two can only be buffed with the other packs

[unreal nova]

I can run support on my 'nadier build now.

[regal smelt]

ratling talent that just halves your character height but is required to go down any left side branch

[stuck gorge]

ratling curio

each additional curio just makes you shorter

[formal ice]

Alternative Rejects DLC

[regal smelt]

tbh talent trees are so monetizable, not even new ones but adding branches to the existing trees

[sharp epoch]

omg 10$ for 10 talent points brilliant

[regal smelt]

but fatshark has a habbit of leaving dead talents in for years

[errant carbon]

Ratling
Shoot better than any other build but you can't fucking see

[uncut pebble]

Revolvers aren't meta now that every class has a lot of anti armor melee options.

[formal ice]

He is a time traveller

... From the past

[hollow ibex]

well revolvers are still meta

outside of havoc

[unreal nova]

One shot one kill gun after all.

[hollow ibex]

yeah and its got extremely fast draw

[warm idol]

whats the meta like in havoc anyway?

for vet at least

i've been using recon/ws plasma/bolt pistol grenade builds so far

also i'm pretty disappointed the havoc armor is just a black version of the penance point armor

was hoping for a helmet similiar to a kasrkin one

still upset we got a scion helm but no matching armor to go along with it

[hollow ibex]

that's about it

[warm idol]

havoc is pretty fun but it's a shame using party finder is so much more of a pain compared to just

matchmaking

i'm not sure why fatshark thought separating a pretty small playerbase into the havoc levels was a good idea

[hollow ibex]

havoc's already dead again where i'm at

and too lazy to find premades

or go to NA east

[warm idol]

yeah i'm not getting that drip anytime soon and the people I used to play the game with

have long since stopped

[unreal bone]

Man idk if it's me but

do havoc missions blow?

[unreal nova]

It's not for everyone.

[unreal bone]

I mean I love hard gameplay but like

I've onyl ran like 4 or so havocs

this is my current havoc

it feels like cheeks to try and do

Or wait is that the same assignment for everyone

I don't understand havoc tbh

[unreal nova]

Nawp, everyone has their own.

[unreal nova]

Relay really sucks with rituals though.

[regal smelt]

any relay with pox gas is ass

[calm shard]

have to go through so much shit to get to some of them

you know come to think of it

infiltrate vet would probably be pretty great at rushing a ritual, killing it, and getting out

[regal smelt]

or failing and speeding up the ritual

[calm shard]

well yeah but like

skill issue

[unreal nova]

What if you get 2 at the same time?

[calm shard]

then the AI director wants you dead

[regal smelt]

send a charge ogryn in, worst case a frag bomb is used to clear it

[unreal nova]

Better hope your bullgryn has nuke and a cdr stim.

Cos GL getting to the second across the tower.

[unreal bone]

"Elevated concetration of Tox Bombers" okay me after I LITERALLY CUT THROUGH 20 TOX BOMBERS AND THERE ARE STILL MORE OF THEM

WHAT THE FLIP

[earnest dew]

I'm pretty sure you don't have to rush rituals right away, as it's based on ticks that are really slow until you start getting closer to the ritual.

[unreal bone]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-flip-bro-gif-9507099415783530845

[unreal nova]

You do on relay.

[unreal bone]

Yeah no that shit was ass

3 runs 3 fails

[unreal nova]

The worst one triggers at the same time once you climb up a stairs.

[unreal bone]

I'm assuming u meat the upward climb after the spinny fan section?

[unreal nova]

You can reach one... but the other requires crossing from one end to the other.

[warm idol]

rituals is a pain in the ass in general

[unreal bone]

also what did they do to the game since last I played lol

FPS feels like shit on a 4070 Super

[warm idol]

I find them pretty fun but the biggest pain is finding one

like why don't they have matchmaking

it's not like the people you find on party finder

[unreal nova]

You basically need to stim your bullgryn who charges immediately, then charges again and stims himself before doing it once more to nuke.

[warm idol]

are usually that much better than mm randos

[unreal nova]

Or you choose to fight a DH.

[loud belfry]

cpu issue probably

[calm shard]

really fun honestly

[earnest dew]

I rather not matchmake into Havoc with randos. Auric/Mael in the early days prove that to me.

[unreal nova]

Which is fun when the 300 ping player gets aggro.

[warm idol]

I have a 4080 and a 7800x3d and still get random big fps drops

and that's with dlss

[calm shard]

Honestly I've made that choice intentionally with normal daemonhosts pretty regularly

I'm confident in my ability to at least survive a DH

And you gotta sometimes

[loud belfry]

fps drops are basically just a thing that WILL happen until a CPU is made that can do what darktide needs (at difficulty 5 or above) with only 2~ threads

not even a 9800x3d.

[warm idol]

I honestly had a fine time duing auric maels when they first came out

[unreal nova]

But we are talking low-mid havoc pubs.

[warm idol]

or at least shortly after it came out

[calm shard]

I can 1v1 a DH in psykhanium, but it's a lot harder in an actual match

[unreal nova]

That's a death sentence.

[warm idol]

I feel like most people who still play the game are mostly the dedicated players anyway

[calm shard]

Yeah which is why if I can tell someone is about to aggro a DH intentionally or otherwise (chaos spawn throwing them at it). I always try to aggro it first

[warm idol]

it's been a pretty a big drop going from 100k people at launch to being below 10k these days

[earnest dew]

Also what do you do when you matmake into a 35, then John Warhammer fresh level 30 havoc clearance one joins your game?

[calm shard]

I am much less likely to die to it than they are

[warm idol]

just separate the mm by clearance ig?

[calm shard]

hey I almost have budding interrogator

so I can stop being ASS

[earnest dew]

Damn I was trying to be a meme here.

[warm idol]

like idk I think the whole havoc system wasn't that thought out

like separate a relatively small playerbase into different brackets

[unreal nova]

Look, as long as deranking exists, forcing MM will just anger ppl.

[warm idol]

would it really be that bad if they take out deranking?

[unreal nova]

Everyone want deranks completely gone.

Except SOME.

[warm idol]

I mean they said that they will make it so the people who are at 40 won't be able to derank anymore outside of manually doing it anyway

[unreal nova]

But everyone else still have to suffer it.

[warm idol]

yeah

just take it out altogether

[earnest dew]

But matchmaking in havoc would take a lot of work, because matchmaking is never going find perfectly balanced candidates. At least with party finder, you can kinda vet or have a choice who you will want. It's why Raids or endgame content are normally done with organized parties.

[warm idol]

but this isn't an mmo with raids and stuff

I don't think it's a fair comparison

[earnest dew]

It's not but it has end game content or at least what it claims to be.

[calm shard]

raids and endgame content is infact normally done by organized parties, but every MMO has some form of matchmaking for them

[unreal nova]

Problem? This is based on Mythic+.

[calm shard]

or at least points you in the direction of LFG resources

[warm idol]

I never played wow so I wouldn't know if it had matchmaking or not

[unreal nova]

LFG if you want to risk it.

[hollow ibex]

they really should've just removed the ranking bullshit entirely and gone with the difficulty levels the game currently has + quick play

[unreal nova]

Remember, you lose your key on a loss.

[warm idol]

if they completely remove the ranking system they will also need to rework the penances to something else

but I doubt that will be that complicated

[hollow ibex]

if they had done that, havoc wouldn't be a completely dead gamemode

outside of discord premades lol

[unreal nova]

So if you get dog dook players, you get screwed over.

[earnest dew]

I live in US East, i find matches ok. But it is bad if you live in Australia.

[warm idol]

like the only proper MMO I played (I don't count looter shooters like destiny as an mmo) was ffxiv and technically there is matchmaking there for endgame stuff, altho people tend to just use the in game party finder, but it's a very different system and you don't lose anything on loss except food and pots that you used but it's not that bad to replace

[unreal nova]

They used closer to the original havoc system where host is the one punished only.

[warm idol]

but I did hear the JP players use the duty finder for endgame stuff there

built different ig

[warm idol]

is party finder region based?

[unreal nova]

SEA is just bad in general. You either get good or extremely dog water players.

[warm idol]

I am on EU and can find people on both mm and pf without issues

[earnest dew]

Savages and Extreme you can not. I dont remember the case for regular tier raids.

[calm shard]

I used to sherpa raids for destiny. You definitely get the same kinda no hopers as other MMOs there occasionally

[warm idol]

you can duty find savage and extreme but on EU and NA at least

good luck finding anyone on there lmao

[calm shard]

Most annoying people were the ones that came into a sherpa group, and had clearly watched a content creators guide on the raid and are mad that me and my clanmates (who learned the raid blind) don't use the same callouts or strat

[unreal nova]

Also, players in the region matters. JP players are very serious about face and such so everyone will be trying.

[warm idol]

people just PF that stuff

[orchid hemlock]

Ew MMOs in my darktide chat? 🤮

[warm idol]

ah man destiny callouts

[earnest dew]

I can't tell you I play with my friend who lives in US west.

[calm shard]

We called the cauldron in crown of sorrow the grape

because it was purple and round

[warm idol]

when I used to play destiny me and my boys used the most out there and cursed callouts

[loud belfry]

yes

[warm idol]

sometimes when we needed 1 or 2 randoms from lfg

they just didn't understand anything

it was pretty funny

[calm shard]

doing LFGs for raid and joining them myself is also an experience

[warm idol]

but tbh destiny raids are very lenient compared to say ffxiv savage

[calm shard]

If a party is listed as "know what to do"

there's a 70% chance that the host is dogshit and wants to be carried

[warm idol]

we taught a lot of new clan members and some randos from lfg what to do without issues

[calm shard]

yeah I can imagine

FFXIV is famous for its raid design

I remember watching one of the old Alexander fights and it made you do math?

[warm idol]

prog takes a while depending on static/what pf you find

and I didn't do ults but uh

watching ultimates just makes my head hurt

ffxiv raids in general is more about remembering what to do and being consistent than anything else

the prog only moves as fast as the slowest person

[warm idol]

I only started playing during shadowbringers so I don't remember that

but one of the stormblood alliance raids made you do some basic math

it's amazing how many people don't know what a prime number is

[warm idol]

it's like playing russian roulette with 5 out of 6 shots loaded

I can't imagine playing destiny without friends

[calm shard]

I did primarily raid with friends

[unreal nova]

To be fair, partyfinder is the same.

[warm idol]

all the decent players on lfg will screech at you if you dare join them without having like a few dozen clears at minimum

[calm shard]

Most of the LFG we did was expressly doing sherpa runs because for one the guided games cosmetics are RARE AS FUCK and really cool

[unreal nova]

Who knows which person is decent.

[warm idol]

yeah it really is

[calm shard]

And for two it was also annoying to us having to learn the raids so it was nice to help people

[earnest dew]

I think in the US 54% of adults have literacy below sixth grade level. So, I'm kinda not surpised lol.

[warm idol]

honestly it feels like on EU it's not that different

[earnest dew]

Ah good ole US and EU, shitting on each other when they have so much in common. There's some irony there somewhere.

[warm idol]

learning raids in destiny as a new player must be a harrowing experience if you don't use a sherpa or have friends

and as a sherpa I can imagine it's even worse

considering how absolutely fucking stupid the average destiny player is

[calm shard]

eh most of them aren't really stupid they just don't have a ton of mechanical skill

FPS moment really

[unreal nova]

SEA is tryhards with or without skill. If you haven't already memorised the raids by heart, you get kicked.

[calm shard]

some people are really dumb though like holy

though the really dumb ones are the ones that will swear up and down that they "already know what to do"

[warm idol]

I can understand that part, especially considering if you are with randos

it's hard to tell if it's

[calm shard]

and then they don't

[warm idol]

honest mistake or stupidity

[earnest dew]

I accidentally queued into a SEA game in Dota 2. It was something to say the least.

[calm shard]

and get pissy at you when they fuck up a mechanic for some reason?

[warm idol]

and if you make a mistake the others can't tell as well

if you are with friends you can at least laugh about it and move on

[unreal nova]

Much flames. No need Lina, Ember, Huskar or Jakiro. Well, also no need Troll.

[tame lodge]

Most certainly a certain amount of tomfoolery

[unreal nova]

Just SEA things.

[warm idol]

I find most destiny players to be very toxic and pretty bad/mid at the game

like i'm not amazing player or anything but holy

destiny players get pissy about everything

[loud belfry]

the average destiny player is essentially one step up from your average fifa player

the fact they're playing an MMO is somewhat amazing and it probably takes everything in their mind just to move

[unreal nova]

Let's just say, you learn every swear word in multiple languages after a week there.

[warm idol]

sometimes I wonder who is more toxic and weird, ffxiv players or destiny players

because i've encountered very uhm

special individuals

in both communities

[loud belfry]

ff14 is definitely smarter

[warm idol]

YOU SURE ABOUT THAT

[loud belfry]

ye

ff14 appeals to people who like cute cat girls to some extent so it's guaranteed to have a higher iq

[warm idol]

come to EU east

[unreal nova]

I already play there for havoc, wdym?

[earnest dew]

Wow Raid players during Catacylsm. Honestly WoW players make Destiny players look like children in comparison.

[warm idol]

you will learn every cyrilic swear word in the dictionary

[calm shard]

It's an FPS yeah, but it was honestly not that common in guided games

[warm idol]

I meant in dota

[calm shard]

Most people who go into that go with the expectation that there's gonna be at least 3 other people who have no idea what to do

And they're one of them

[unreal nova]

We get that in SEA already. Russians get everywhere.

[warm idol]

what the fuck are ruskies doing in SEA

[calm shard]

Russians will plague every server region they're not banned from

Same for China

[unreal nova]

I dunno. They play like on 400 ping.

[calm shard]

Because they're both insufferable, and they know it

Russians don't like other Russians so they go to other server regions to get away from them

[earnest dew]

I had like 5 russians players on a team in a CSGO match once. In the US East

[unreal bone]

7800x3d I think not, it's something with their later updates cause before coming back it ran good.

[warm idol]

it's even worse since russian is a language i'm fluent in so I know every word those people have said to me when I used to play csgo and dota

at least with chinese ppl I got no clue what they are saying

so ignorance is bliss

[loud belfry]

just because you have the best cpu in the world doesnt mean you can run a video game at the fps you want

[warm idol]

i've been called some foul things in russian

[unreal nova]

Why the funniest part is the Russkies in Russia are saner than the ones that leak out.

[loud belfry]

i will say that darktide seems especially hard to play at lowish fps (under 130fps with frame generation)

[unreal nova]

A friend queued for Russia once... they tried to use very bad English to communicate at least.

[warm idol]

it usually runs at 144 for me but someties it just drops

weirdly enough

it drops most often in the cosmetic screen

[earnest dew]

Maybe if Rannick put a B bomb site in Tertrium, the heretics would be defeated in a week.

[warm idol]

when it tries to load all the cosmetics

RUSH B

[loud belfry]

at the beginning of a mission with 0 enemies one can expect their most fps. (gpu usage will be at its highest*) when, on a high difficulty, all the enemies are out and trying to kill you, your fps will be at your lowest. but during this time your gpu's usage will be at its lowest.

[warm idol]

I remember playing with a friend in dota once and we gotten 3 russians with us

[unreal nova]

Random 20 fps go.

[warm idol]

they were nice actually

just shit english

so I translated stuff for my friend lol

[soft jewel]

Only time my fps tanks is Ogryn bomb box on Xbox and then it stays low for like next 20 minutes

[gilded rock]

I mean, multiple different loadout choices are meta

[warm idol]

the extremely rare wholesome russian gamer

[unreal nova]

Is really just the rotten apples that cause all the hate and anger.

[gilded rock]

Revolvers haven't been nerfed and primary game mode hasn't changed so it remains a debatably meta choice

[warm idol]

idk most slavic gamers I encountered in csgo and dota were pretty goddamn toxic

the ones I do personally know tho are chill

ymmv

[loud belfry]

those games themselves make people toxic

[warm idol]

the nice ones tend to stick to their own community anyway

[uncut pebble]

My point is good armor piercing melee options allow you to pick guns that function better across the board. Revolver is a slowly reloading weapon that kills one specialist or elite per shot, but bolt pistol could do that, too, with better ammo capacity, reload speed, etc. Not even mentioning the usefulness of something like an infantry autogun, which can mulch entire hordes of shooters and ragers.

[unreal nova]

Is just who you meet basically. But most of the ones out of the country are dog waste and toxic.

[loud belfry]

if you met those russians on a csgo custom server (zombie escape or something) they'd probably be way nicer despite even being on the same ass game. dota 2....all of them are toxic regardless, i bet

[warm idol]

true competitive games in general make people really toxic

when I used to play overwatch the biggest assholes I played with were brits

[unreal nova]

There's custom games as well though.

[warm idol]

i'm sorry to any brits here but I just can't take you seriously when you cuss me because when you do the anger combined with the accent just makes me laugh

[loud belfry]

yep. i figure, however, that, somehow, all dota 2 players are toxic regardless of the custom game they're playing

[calm shard]

Handcannons not getting nerfed doesn't surprise me at this point

Every meta that handcannons have been bad in has been miserable

They're kinda the cornerstone holding the games balance together

If they're shit everything else feels like shit too

It's weird

[unreal nova]

But I still play custom games.

[warm idol]

are you talking darktide or destiny?

[calm shard]

oh wait

darktide talk in darktide server

[warm idol]

kek

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-ferrets-cute-cute-ferret-ferret-cute-gif-6237859641732984062

[calm shard]

I can't believe that darktide chat would discuss darktide

[warm idol]

I do like my handcannons but smg's fit my unga bunga brain more

like idk if it's any different now

but anytime I played destiny 2

[calm shard]

I always used sidearms because the amount of shotgun rushers in PvP is absurd

[warm idol]

autorifles were mid

and it's a shame

[unreal nova]

[warm idol]

I wasn't really a pvp guy

[earnest dew]

It's that in Dota 2 and Overwatch and CSGO. Everyone on the team is expecting to contribute equally, however that is not always equal.

[uncut pebble]

Depended on the auto rifle in question.

[warm idol]

anytime I did trials i've let people better than me carry

[uncut pebble]

Uriel's Gift was a fucking banger of a gun.

[calm shard]

I did PvP for ONE season and it was...scarlet keep I think?

[warm idol]

true y1 had uriels

[calm shard]

Got to fabled in crucible with lucky pants double handcannon

[uncut pebble]

It came back around twice.

[calm shard]

Which was amusing

[warm idol]

but smg's always felt better in pve at least

[uncut pebble]

Then there were auto rifles like scathelock.

[unreal nova]

Supports bear the greatest weight btw.

[uncut pebble]

Scathelock was peak.

[warm idol]

especially with shit like recluse

recluse mtt was a very funny combo

[uncut pebble]

Honestly recluse was only good because it had an overtuned headshot multiplier.

[warm idol]

the dmg perk was also just easy to proc

[earnest dew]

In TF2 the game devs understood that everyone is selfish by nature so the classes(Barring medic) can perform somewhat decently well in combat withot needing to work as a team. It's that people will naturally just complete a goal together, than forcing people to work together.

[uncut pebble]

Master at arms is literally just harmony lmao.

You could make a funnelweb with harmony and it would basically be recluse.

[warm idol]

I stopped playing after the expansion that came out after witch queen

forgot the name

the one with the awful story

[uncut pebble]

Lightfall.

[warm idol]

yeah that one

I do remember funnelweb tho

with a void build

the overhauled classes were so overtuned lol

[uncut pebble]

The shittiest story that didn't just drop the ball, it spiked it into the ground.

[warm idol]

especially striker on the last season in witch queen

[uncut pebble]

It was mainly exotics that made things op asf.

Void hunter is the easiest thing to solo flawless dungeons with because of gyrfalcon's hauberk, for example.

[warm idol]

I really wish bungie was a better company

[calm shard]

they were the easiest to solo flawless dungeons with even before that exotic came out

[uncut pebble]

Massive clear potential, devour, infinite volatile rounds, stylish executioner going forever.

[calm shard]

because they were the only class with invisibility

[warm idol]

because the core of destiny is really good

but I find the game so boring outside of the raids and dungeons

[uncut pebble]

Invis was not great before.

A brief reprieve from getting shot at with a long cooldown.

[warm idol]

GM's aren't really that interesting

[unreal bone]

I mean I'm just saying I was getting about 70fps on a 7800x3d and 4070 Super 🤷

[warm idol]

the seasonal content tends to be too easy

[unreal bone]

I thin it's probably just some settings that got changed since I've been away so long

[uncut pebble]

Like, trust me, I was a hunter main, I know what was and wasn't strong. Void hunter pre 3.0 was not as strong as you think it was.

[calm shard]

not just that, invisibility also cheeses some of the mechanics of the...what the fuck is the scarlet keep dungeon called

[warm idol]

pit of heresy?

[uncut pebble]

Imo the easiest thing to solo flawless dungeons with was actually arc warlock before geomags nerf.

[warm idol]

solar 3.0 titan was also pretty unkillable

[uncut pebble]

I'm convinced that chamber of suffering cannot be cleared without invis.

[uncut pebble]

Carried by loreley.

[warm idol]

which one is that, the maze?

[uncut pebble]

Chamber of suffering is the plate encounter after the maze.

[warm idol]

loreley is for pussies

be a man and use synthos

[uncut pebble]

If I'm using synthos, I'm not playing solar.

Burning steps is better.

Omw to 360 trickshot a wizard with my hammer after stacking max stacks of burning steps and roaring flames:

[calm shard]

that hammer throw is the only thing they ever gave sunbreaker that made me want to play them

[uncut pebble]

Anywho, destiny 2 sucks.

[warm idol]

yes

I agree!

[calm shard]

because for the longest time I was gunslinger main spamming knife recycler knives

[warm idol]

altho unlike most people who say that i've also stopped playing the game

kek

[uncut pebble]

Hope the IP gets bought by a company that actually likes their consumerbase and they retcon 90% of the story.

[calm shard]

I also ran weighted knife with Ophidia Spathe in PvP

[warm idol]

it's wild to me that bungie is rebooting marathon

and turning it into an extraction shooter

BUNGIE WHAT ARE YOU DOING

[calm shard]

and bankshotting people holding angles in pvp with the throwing knives made me feel things

[uncut pebble]

That's definitely a choice, considering athrys embrace exists.

[warm idol]

I memed with hammer throw and dunes in pvp

[calm shard]

it didn't when I was playing the game

[calm shard]

I left before lightfall

[warm idol]

it was really funny in 6v6

[uncut pebble]

Athrys makes your weighted knife have aim assist.

[calm shard]

that's silly

[uncut pebble]

Bounce it around a corner and oneshot a void titan with overshield bc headshot.

[warm idol]

the reason I could never get into destiny pvp

[uncut pebble]

It got nerfed but its still good.

[warm idol]

the balance is absolute wack

[uncut pebble]

The balance is only wack for titans.

[warm idol]

like I enjoyed y1 d2 pvp more than I ever did d1 pvp or d2 pvp post y2

[calm shard]

I also distinctly remember the like...single week that Liar's Handshake was the meta damage exotic for raids

That was also a fun playstyle

[uncut pebble]

Other classes have like one broken exotic, and thats it.

[calm shard]

Arcstrider, 1-2 punch shotgun, and Liar's Handshake

Absurd melee damage

[warm idol]

plus the fact that aim assist is an actual in game stat

I get that it's a console shooter but

[calm shard]

It got nerfed so fast

[warm idol]

I am just against the idea of aim assist in any shooter

that is on pc

[uncut pebble]

Yeah Liar's got nerfed a long time ago but arc 3.0 brought it back.

[frank basin]

you guys talking about destiny 2?

[warm idol]

sadly yes

[uncut pebble]

Liar's was my favorite build once arc 3.0 dropped.

[frank basin]

i install recently ago, then unistall after 1 game.

[warm idol]

destiny is awful for new players

[uncut pebble]

^

[warm idol]

I can't blame you

[hollow ibex]

yeah i tried it briefly

[uncut pebble]

The new light experience is terrible.

[hollow ibex]

and was like, couldn't be arsed

[uncut pebble]

They tell you fucking nothing.

[hollow ibex]

and uninstalled

[frank basin]

it isn't player casual game, mostly trial content