probably ogryn?
#veteran-class
tall torrent
tall torrent
it's much easier to pick up as full beginner
strange crow
Oh rip
tall torrent
Oh rip
it's less of a big deal if he's starting from scratch
also pickaxe unlock is lv14
relic blade unlock is lv18
so yea
strange crow
Oh lol I'm just getting back into the game, are those the cheese weapons rn?
tall torrent
not "cheese"
strong
cheese is more like DS4 where ur primary strategy against mixed horde is running away
strange crow
Yeah ok ok but they're not like duelling sword or knife?
Ok yeah haha I understand it now
tall torrent
no they're more "stand and fight"
strange crow
Valid
tall torrent
and they're very good at doing that "stand and fight" thing
hollow ibex
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1354901937123754054/Wa...
Ogryn on ogryn violence
strange crow
First we mine, then we craft! LETS MINECRAFT!!!
tame lodge
Ogryn on ogryn violence
"You picked the wrong side" - Bodyguard
strange crow
@tall torrent hope I'm not bothering u with the ping, but is there any good build that uses MF and rashad? Or would that just require too many points?
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> hope I'm not bothering u with the ping, but is there any g...
too stretched
strange crow
Fair, any good builds for MF that don't use psword/duelling sword?
hollow ibex
Fair, any good builds for MF that don't use psword/duelling sword?
You could get away with something using a heavy sword
strange crow
Hmm yeah that's what I was thinking but wasn't sure
hollow ibex
So long as you have a gun that can kill crushers
strange crow
Like revolver?
hollow ibex
Or Kraks
hollow ibex
Like revolver?
Yes that’ll do
strange crow
Is it really viable to rely on kraks to kill cara?
hollow ibex
Yes. It’s one of the intended uses. But unless you take the grenadier perk
It might get sketchy on higher difficulties
sharp epoch
You could get away with something using a heavy sword
that works as long as your not constrained on ammo (not havoc)
hollow ibex
that works as long as your not constrained on ammo (not havoc)
Yeah not talking about havoc
strange crow
Yes. It’s one of the intended uses. But unless you take the grenadier perk
Ok so if I take grenadier and demo stockpile would demo team be overkill?
hollow ibex
Nah
sharp epoch
Ok so if I take grenadier and demo stockpile would demo team be overkill?
Thats actually the meta on havoc
strange crow
Awesome thanks again guys
hollow ibex
I like to take both stockpile and demo team
sharp epoch
but probably less effective in easier difficulties
hollow ibex
but probably less effective in easier difficulties
Yeah
strange crow
Fair thanks guys
hollow ibex
But on damnation and above absolutely worth
sharp epoch
I think one of the leaderboards counts grenades generated and in havoc demo team is actually generating you more than grenadier
gilded raft
yeah, demo team doesn't really come online until you get a screen full of baddies, so I'd argue even in aurics it's a point you can spare if you got your eyes on something else, though it does still do its job well enough. In havocs however, it's a must pick with shredders
hollow ibex
Because no one on your team deserves to see
Turn every maelstrom into a melee maelstrom with this one funny trick
radiant adder
Am I a weirdo because I prefer the knife to psword?
sharp epoch
Am I a weirdo because I prefer the knife to psword?
It's a tradeoff between surviabillity/mobility vs hordeclear/bosskilling
tropic notch
Am I a weirdo because I prefer the knife to psword?
Narp i perfer it over ps
radiant adder
But it ain't like knife does bad damage.
To goons or elite stuff.
Plus for big AOE I got shotgun and grenades.
tropic notch
Vet knife is pretty alright
Better than psyker knife
Really just because of attack speed
tall torrent
Is it really viable to rely on kraks to kill cara?
No
You should have a melee that can kill carapace at minimum
tropic notch
Is it really viable to rely on kraks to kill cara?
Kraks loose value when you figure out melee is really good against them
I only like them for bulwarks
narrow frost
tall torrent
Burst fire is good when it doesn’t suck
faint beacon
its funny cause its a lot more bareable vs 3
tall torrent
Like halo’s battle rifle
Quite good
But in this game
Maybe giving burst fire guns a lot of recoil is not a very smart idea
hollow ibex
Could be ok if it was just simple vertical recoil
tall torrent
ads toughness
Depends on how accessible it is
narrow frost
I'm thinking of a way to balence it
narrow frost
limit how much in a timeframe?
faint beacon
what if vet got braced toughness regen
Cole has said it before in regards to buffing Exec Stance
faint beacon
give it ADS Toughness Regen once EStance is active
tall torrent
8%/s instead of current 5%/s
increase deactivation duration from 5s to 8s
make it immediately reactivate on successful dodge
For catch a breath
narrow frost
ads stance
faint beacon
I could care so little how much regen it could give cause like
it should reward you for Consistently dropping highlighted enemies
tall torrent
I could care so little how much regen it could give cause like
Nah
Make it give so much toughness gain
That u can actually tank ranged enemies
Without ghost
faint beacon
15-20% tbh
Probably 15% cause then you path through CAB in order to have more Toughness up during ranged duels
also can we like change Longshot and ET to be just
weakspot
in general
tall torrent
CaB is very very close to being good
faint beacon
instead of Distance and ranged only
tall torrent
It just needs more consistency in melee combat
Vet needs better melee staying power
faint beacon
Honestly thats kinda what I want left side tree to be
is just
Weakspot rewarding focused
The if you can aim your ranged and melee you deserve bonuses
faint beacon
Im super torn on that LMAO cause like
narrow frost
voc too good
faint beacon
yeah that would be cool but it would need to be incredibly toned back
VOC Will never be nerfed or the shitter vet players will be up in arms again
cough
Pre-nerf PS
tall torrent
VoC is very easy to nerf
tall torrent
Nerf CD, reduce toughness gain
Keep gold toughness
Just make it not give 50
Make it give 20
Or 15 even
faint beacon
20 is fine
but I know 15 is still fine if you aren't well
unaware
I still personally think Iron Will shoud remain in the higher sections of the lower tree or just hell even in the middle if a rework ever happens cause it's
very much a BNB choice
like every vet chooses it
tall torrent
I made it 20 in my draft just so it still has some semblance of team utility
faint beacon
so they dont fold immediately
faint beacon
I dont either and I personally wish we had more options aside of just
static Defense
faint beacon
but one is Team Coherency and the other is locked behind a dogshit pathing
tall torrent
Once u reach below that 75% toughness threshold
You’re in deep trouble as vet
And vet has not enough melee staying power
tall torrent
So your entire game plan relies on killing things fast enough to not drop below 75% toughness
tall torrent
It’s not like zealot where
faint beacon
Its a great talent but like
tall torrent
Enduring faith works all the time in combat
faint beacon
Veteran probably is a great example in regards to when you're killing things and keeping toughness up
High Highs
and Low lows
I honestly would use ET more
IF
it was strictly just weakspot
Melee and Ranged
Though they'd need to nerf the Toughness gain
so it isn't just
O4B but better
barren nimbus
I guess voc is pretty strong now that chorus got nerfed, but I feel like nerfing it is somewhat pointless
faint beacon
Not really? Chorus really only got nerfed cause its cost got increased
shit is stupid if you're being attacked and a Zeal is proccing it
barren nimbus
Didn’t chorus used to give 125 golden or was that just me looking at chorus and shout
faint beacon
you'll get tagged and watch your toughness not even go down at all cause its rapidly ticking up to 75+
sharp epoch
Didn’t chorus used to give 125 golden or was that just me looking at chorus and ...
I thought 150
faint beacon
no it was previously 100+
faint beacon
they only docked it by 25
tall torrent
But the TDR subnode buffed
barren nimbus
I don’t think voc is strong, but my issue with it is veteran is completely shit without it
faint beacon
VOC is
incredibly overpowered
its the hardest stagger in the game
On top of Golden Toughness
barren nimbus
It has the same stagger as chorus essentially
sharp epoch
its the hardest stagger in the game
nah its same as chorus and ogryn taunt
faint beacon
Yes and no
faint beacon
Ogryn taunt also only soft staggers
narrow frost
which mean you can ledge them
faint beacon
it doesn't push over
it does hard stagger bosses
but it soft staggers hordes
which is intended
barren nimbus
Obviously chorus has drawbacks but voc by itself isn’t as powerful as chorus by itself
faint beacon
cause you're not using Taunt for CC in terms of knocking them over
you're doing it
so you can draw agro and make it easier
sharp epoch
it pushes captain over but as soon as his shield gets up he teleports up into attack animation
narrow frost
that doesnt change that VoC is the hardest stagger
faint beacon
In the game
I dont really give too much of a shit about VOC being the hardest stagger
but what does irk me
is the Golden Toughness
barren nimbus
If they nerfed voc and massively buffed non voc veteran I wouldn’t care
You literally have no sustain without voc
faint beacon
You do its just its
locked to a very
weird and unusual way to do it
Ainz can back me up on this
narrow frost
in misison
faint beacon
in misison
Just from experience not really needing you to go crazy with the math
faint beacon
I think you should kill it Ainz
narrow frost
ded
narrow frost
Ainz can back me up on this
Yes
serene bough
wish exe had its own kind of stagger or utility effect
like 200% extra supression or something
faint beacon
I dont think it needs Suppression
I just think it should have a Toughness Regen on ADS
so then it can compete with VOC and Infil
cause those two abilities are instant Toughness Refills
EStance is the only one that doesn't
and Psyker with SG can do this with combining the generate and quell peril talents
Literally just be existing they can generate toughness
barren nimbus
I guess most of my experience running not voc is also trolling on a non weapon specialist build which also hurts sustain a lot
faint beacon
well Vets weapon choices aren't the best either
Melee wise
Ranged we're pretty solid
just Melee- you're extremely limited
tall torrent
Psyker has a lot of problems
barren nimbus
They need to make serrated edge easier to get
tall torrent
Serrated blade doesn’t matter
barren nimbus
its pretty good utility and damage over a mission
tall torrent
nah
barren nimbus
It'd be nice if weapon specialist buffed melee damage and worked better for rapid firing weapons
tall torrent
it's worthless lol
barren nimbus
a lot of veterans perks are pretty worthless
they dont really feel interesting or changing
faint beacon
Yes and no
All of the good ones are just taxing to reach
which are all at the bottom
barren nimbus
Oh boy 20% more ogryn damage! but its not really something fun to pick up or play around, unlike say bleeding enemies providing damage resistance or critical chance
agile engagement, an actual very cool and interesting perk is basically unreachable
faint beacon
Its just called Veteran is old
sharp epoch
I dont think it needs Suppression
suppression wouldnt help either cause half the enemies are immune to it
faint beacon
and needs a Tree Change
not really a rework aside of small changes to existing ones
Vet is just suffering from Point Tax
barren nimbus
I honestly kinda wish all abilities and grenades could just be freely taken
for all classes
faint beacon
Ogryn
barren nimbus
it was really aids for old ogryn, where you can to run bomb for free 15% damage for your entire team
faint beacon
is literally the best example of that right now
you can choose any blitz and ability for your Build now
its why it feels the best to use atm
sharp epoch
ogryn tree is pretty streamlined all the bad stuff to the side now like on the top
barren nimbus
they did a good job on ogryn, but if theyre going to take an entire year to do that to all classes it just feels pointless to wait around so long
faint beacon
Everything on Ogryn is pretty fucking good imo
there's only like a few
never really need to use Talents on them now
I'd say a good 80-90% of the rest of them are like
junior grail
they did a good job on ogryn, but if theyre going to take an entire year to do t...
Beta testers of Darktide be waiting that long
faint beacon
solid build dependent choices
barren nimbus
its actually insane how much easier the game is on ogryn, I find it boring, and I used to main ogryn
literally no real reason to play other classes unless you like challenge
tall torrent
they did a good job on ogryn, but if theyre going to take an entire year to do t...
Prob won’t be an entire year
Zealot may also be this year
regal smelt
literally no real reason to play other classes unless you like challenge
I feel that for zealot but the ranged/staff game on vet and psyker is still fun
barren nimbus
I guess I can look forward to human weapon buffs with the zealot rework
faint beacon
Prob won’t be an entire year
If they aren't really full blown reworking Vet
barren nimbus
please make the classic warhammer weapons good
faint beacon
they could manage to push it probably start 26
tall torrent
they could manage to push it probably start 26
Don’t get ur hopes up
barren nimbus
darktide and space marine 2 speedrunning thumbling the bag
Imagine if they just combined the platforms, space marine 2s story is insane but the combat is horrendous
darktide best combat system of any game of its type but no story
tall torrent
SM2 story was pretty mediocre
DT story surprisingly interesting even though presentation is questionable at best
faint beacon
Its still "new"
with the lore also
cause its lore is being moderately drip fed sadly
but every new map or mode drops some huge lore shit
pseudo fiber
I need more Swagger lore
And Grendyl I hope he doesn't stay a mysterious figure forever
sharp epoch
its actually insane how much easier the game is on ogryn, I find it boring, and ...
me when i see the video where 3 ogryns win h40 by spamming slaps
faint beacon
And Grendyl I hope he doesn't stay a mysterious figure forever
Well looking into the Mortis Trial lore nukes
I think Grendyl wasn't expecting Atoma to be the source of Nurgle's Influence, but he's done something that makes it incredibly important to not heed Exterminatus (Laugh now)
strange crow
You should have a melee that can kill carapace at minimum
Ok thats what I was thinking lol
pseudo fiber
I think Grendyl wasn't expecting Atoma to be the source of Nurgle's Influence, b...
I can't believe that had to explicitly write that
faint beacon
Biologis Karib literally recommends multiple times
nuke the planet
and in the back of my head like
pseudo fiber
Too many people put an earthly scale to 40k
Mf this isn't that bad all things considered.
Factorums work. People are mostly safe. It's not that bad
faint beacon
Oh 40k redditors are clapping their hands like seals at that word alone
pseudo fiber
I think Brunt is going to be introduced proper next update
faint beacon
Nurgle is Incredibly
pseudo fiber
With brand new weapons
faint beacon
difficult
to remove off a planet
probably one of the most dificult when it comes to Chaos
But its possible
tall torrent
I think Brunt is going to be introduced proper next update
Brunt shows up with power axe and ogryn hammer
pseudo fiber
Brunt shows up with power axe and ogryn hammer
But also probably. He's got a full VA. Tons of lines. It'll be him or the magos. Or both!
pseudo fiber
Answer
tall torrent
does desperado from laspistol apply when not holding laspistol?
no
tropic notch
I find the chain axe to be only usable on vet
I can’t use it on zealot
I always end up running knife or something
calm shard
I am quite fond of green chain axe on gun psyker
it relies on its push attack for horde clear a lot so the infinite pushes is really helpful
plus it ruins ragers and captain shields
molten yacht
Any meta for the plasma gun? I'm using weapon specialist.
Blessings are rising heat and blaze away.
What perks should I use?
narrow frost
molten yacht
Is that for me? What does that mean
molten yacht
Oh I may have missed it where is that
molten yacht
Ty
hollow ibex
Ty
Path's Plasma Copypasta
69% thermal resist
71% charge rate
80% everything else
68+ decimal in thermal resist gives 8 continuous shots from 0% heat instead of 7, so I recommend 69 thermal resist for safety sake
Charge rate affects left click’s pre-fire delay therefore firerate, so it’s not a dump stat and u want as high as possible (which there’s only room for 71~72)
Plasma actually needs very high damage & stopping power stats to hit breakpoints
Ammo roll too low = you don’t get 1/3 shot worth of ammo back from each survivalist proc
barren nimbus
Would a hotshot lasgun even be balanced for the game
Some alternative cleaving weapon for veteran would be cool, but I think the plasma gun is already pretty similar. I like what space marine 2 did where the plasma gun fires a blob of shit. darktides plasma gun is more like a railgun
errant carbon
Would a hotshot lasgun even be balanced for the game
Not really, the balancing factors for Hellguns in RPGs/tabletop are cost/rarity and weight/bulk of the backpack power supply, neither of which are really relevant to this game at all
You'd have a Recon Lasgun with a scope that fired charged Helbore shots at the low, low price of having a long draw time and poor mobility with it drawn. Or you'd have something that just didn't match the established description of what a Hellgun is. (I would say Games Workshop wouldn't allow that, but they allowed the SM2 Melta Gun so who the fuck even knows what their thought processes are.)
crimson pebble
just have it be infinite ammo but give it a heat mechanic similar to relic
tall torrent
You'd have a Recon Lasgun with a scope that fired charged Helbore shots at the l...
overheat lockout from shooting too much
smth like that
errant carbon
overheat lockout from shooting too much
That too I guess
crimson pebble
You'd have a Recon Lasgun with a scope that fired charged Helbore shots at the l...
also tbh melta guns work kinda similarly in rogue trader
austere mica
Melta's in RT just have a fire selector or something
It kinda makes sense
The damage being static doesn't
errant carbon
It's just weird seeing a Melta Gun be a horde clearing specialist weapon that seems to do fuckall damage to single targets
austere mica
Yes
errant carbon
Especially since you can get a [whatever Flamers are called now] in campaign
faint beacon
@narrow frost Went flawless with said MMF Tunnel Vision Build
crimson pebble
they def couldve had the melta be more dynamic in sm2 ideally how it is now would be its hip fire while adsing would fire a beam for single target dps
how i hope it is aswell when they inevitably add it to darktide
atomic zephyr
has anyone had issues with bursters exploding early in their animation?
its happened to me twice in the past hour
narrow frost
soft jewel
Melta in sm2 doing fuckall to single targets?
crimson pebble
its not horrible but what the melta is in lore should absolutely be one to two shoting basically every out side of the giant tyranids
soft jewel
That's fair. Someone in one of Astartes chapter discord I'm in swears by the Melta on heavy. Won't use anything else
Tells you you're wrong for using anything else
atomic void
melta on heavy melts everything
melta on others classes takes a bit to kill majories but truns hordes into a joke
melta with auspex tactical is pretty peak tho
soft jewel
Melta on vanguard is what I see a lot run
atomic void
yeah cause you're always up close and personal
melta on tactical is hilarious cause u still hit and stagger many majoris but also kill them 2x as fast
soft jewel
For heavy I normally just use the heavy bolter
soft jewel
For Tactial I was told I was using the worst gun but I enjoyed it so eh
atomic void
which gun
soft jewel
Auto bolt
atomic void
oh yeah it's not good
its getting buffs tho
seems like patch 7 is buffing everything
inb4 people cherry pick few nerfs to blatantly op shit
soft jewel
I'm glad it's getting a buff. I like the gun mostly
crimson pebble
everything in patch 7 seems rlly solid expect heavies prestige perks are all absolutely dog ass
soft jewel
Heavy getting melee prestige is dumb
soft jewel
They'll figure it out by SM3 hopefully
atomic void
sm2 is a nice throwback type of a game but i hope sm3 is a lot more indepth
not tide game tier 1 billion dmg and armor types but just more depth all around
soft jewel
Yeah, the ops are fun but also lacking at the same time. Doing the same exact thing 1000 times gets old. Even with the tiny changes they throw in every so often
atomic void
i play the game in bursts
no life it > take a break > no life it > take a break repeat
soft jewel
That's how I've been. I play it for a bit, get some gear unlocked then fuck off for a day or two or longer. Play Darktide and Fo76 otherwise
errant carbon
Melta in sm2 doing fuckall to single targets?
tbf almost everything feels like a wiffle bat against most enemies, I understand Rubric Marines are some of the toughest enemies we could possibly face, but Tyranid Warriors eating multiple charged Thunder Hammer overheads is getting old
atomic void
been a while since i played but a proper relic hammer builds nukes majoirs 
a lot of weapons are very strong now
they fkn made the power fists super strong too
errant carbon
Still need to try the power fist
atomic void
i watch first tour guardsman uploads since he's playing on the test server and he's showcasing all the buffs
fkn heavy bolt rifle is a beast now
power swords are strong too
errant carbon
Also I love all the videos of people purposely downgrading their melee to purple tier because attack speed overrides all other stats. Get through the stupid fucking combos faster so you can get to the attack you actually want
atomic void
speedy weapons winning tale as old as time
tbh i get it
on the chainsword if u spam double stomp as fast as possible you're immortal
soft jewel
I love powerfist on assault, not on bulwark
atomic void
the "meta" now by people who are good at the game is block weapons
u trade the entire parry mechanic for much stronger melee dmg output
once u get used to it seems like its worth it
soft jewel
My biggest struggle is parrying
atomic void
its very easy to me
probably one of the easiest parry timings in any action game
it just feels right
soft jewel
I've always struggled with parrying. So I've stayed miles away from souls likes
errant carbon
Threw me for a loop when I found out we're supposed to block early in SM2 to get a perfect parry, every other game seems to want you to do it as late as possible. Also you're still supposed to dodge as late as possible
atomic void
I've always struggled with parrying. So I've stayed miles away from souls likes
souls games are more about dodging than parries tbh
except sekiro
that game is parry simulator
atomic void
Threw me for a loop when I found out we're supposed to block _early_ in SM2 to g...
yeah that's the trick
once it clicked for me it was ez pz
i actually consider myself throwing if i miss few parries lmao
soft jewel
The hive tyrant on anything but minimal is my kryptonite with parrying and dodging
atomic void
hive tyrant has stupid hit boxes
but i really enjoy the fight
seems like they have an actual post fight in the new operation too
soft jewel
The new fight looks terrifying
errant carbon
I learned to dodge its green wave attacks consistently and it's fucked. You have to let the wave outright hit you or it's considered too early
atomic void
yep iframes
soft jewel
To get one of the like special ranks in the chapter discord I'm in you have to 1v1 melee the tyrant on ruthless
atomic void
the game doesnt tell u this but it has iframes
if you come from souls games its very much natural to do
errant carbon
You can have a game with iframes while also making it so that avoiding the attack avoids the attack
errant carbon
the game doesnt tell u this but it has iframes
Darktide now looks extremely transparent and forthright by comparison
atomic void
lmao nothing will beat the amount of shit darktide doesnt say
1/10 new player experience
soft jewel
I mess up so much going from Darktide to SM2. I try to switch my weapons using Y on my controller and waste my ability every time
atomic void
i need to reinstall sm2 before patch to get rid of the rust
forest scaffold
The hive tyrant on anything but minimal is my kryptonite with parrying and dodgi...
play heavy
errant carbon
Gotta dig up a datamined spreadsheet to find out the Heavy Bolt Rifle does less damage per shot than the regular Bolt Rifle
atomic void
Gotta dig up a datamined spreadsheet to find out the Heavy Bolt Rifle does less ...
this one's finally getting good buffs
forest scaffold
All the weapons in sm2 are dogshit
and you can't change my mind
Ah yes, hitting a tyrannid warrior 15 times with a chainsword is fun and engaging gameplay
or shooting it 75 times in the head
forest scaffold
no need to change opinions based on 10 patches ago
hbr is still something like 55 headshots to bring a warrior to execute range on absolute
its just not fun game design
errant carbon
Ah yes, hitting a tyrannid warrior 15 times with a chainsword is fun and engagin...
Actually you only need to hit it 2 times with the chainsword, then once with your boot, then 2 more times with your chainsword, then shoot it in the head with your bolt pistol, then 2 more times with the chainsword, then stab it with its own sword
atomic void
which gun and which class and which build
forest scaffold
plasma rifle, heavy bolter, las sniper
uh
whatever the not bolt sniper is on sniper is good too
stalker?
soft jewel
I don't play high difficulties cause I just don't find it as fun, so having to hit anything 15 times isn't a worry I have
errant carbon
stalker?
Stalker Boltgun and Bolt Sniper Rifle are two different weapons. Blame Cawl
atomic void
all pasmas, all meltas, heavy bolter, stalker, regular sniper, las fusel, heavy bolt as of latest patch
all good
forest scaffold
heavy plasma really depends on your teammates
soft jewel
Heavy bolt makes things go boom
forest scaffold
if they like eating all the ammo
and don't keep minoris off you
its a rough match
but its funny oneshotting a pod of 7 tyrannid warriors, yes
atomic void
heavy plasma with the right hands is a walking nuke
soft jewel
Biggest issue playing heavy is teammates walking in front of you while you're shooting
Like hey, don't stand directly in front of the walking tank firing their gun
forest scaffold
all pasmas, all meltas, heavy bolter, stalker, regular sniper, las fusel, heavy ...
yeah and that's only like 20% of the weapons in the game lmao
Like. . . I get it
Saber can't throw helldiver numbers at us
but it makes for shit gameplay
atomic void
Actually you only need to hit it 2 times with the chainsword, then once with you...
i unironcially like the combo nature of the game even if the enimies are too tanky at some points and the game needed multiple patches to gie half of the good weapons decent punch
nice contrast to dorkshite mfs 2 shotting crushers
forest scaffold
same issue as Spacehulk Deathwing
everything is a gigantic bullet sponge that forces 1 of 3 weapon choices
atomic void
yeah and that's only like 20% of the weapons in the game lmao
every game gets boiled down to few meta weapons anyway
soft jewel
Man I miss Deathwing
atomic void
not saying they shouldnt improve on the dmg systems
but its gonna be the same shit regardless
when GL was broken every single tactical was running GL
regardless of how good the others felt
simply because GL nukes entire rooms
soft jewel
Isn't tactical finally getting more sidearms?
atomic void
tac is getting plasma pistol
full plasma loadout is gonna be pure filth
2 shotting a warrior with plasma perks 🤌 😩
soft jewel
Damn, I was hoping they'd get the heavy bolter too
Oh well
Regular bolt pistol I keep
forest scaffold
I like that heavy is getting the HBR
except its worse than the heavy bolter in every single way
I get it, tabletop accuracy
errant carbon
i unironcially like the combo nature of the game even if the enimies are too tan...
They kinda forced everything to fit around the combo nature which makes it weird when you go in for le epic melee execute and everything just stands around and watches. At least in Darktide when you go in to two shot that Crusher you will be fucking flattened by the ones on either side if you aren't careful
forest scaffold
but what the fuck saber
errant carbon
Also they don't give you such consideration for gun strikes because they just don't okay
gilded wraith
Has anyone gotten graviton grenade influence to work?
atomic void
They kinda forced everything to fit around the combo nature which makes it weird...
the exceute stuff is pure rule of cool
the game in general is really just the type of game that favors cool shit over super duper mechanically deep systems
errant carbon
Hive Mind stands in awe of you dropping your Thunder Hammer to kill that dude with his own claw
forest scaffold
the exceute stuff is pure rule of cool <:Haha:1079933221782945823>
the game in ...
I dunno
sm2 just doesn't feel all that fun
even with all of the issues hd2 had with its release
I managed to put 600 hours into it
SM2 just feels like a slog every time I play it
bad weapons, overtly tanky enemies, STUN LOCKING, awful ammo/med economy
Like the game isn't even hard
its just not well made
atomic void
i mean ive said this before and ive said this again
sm2 does not compete with hd2 or darktide where both have way more content and mechanics and shit going on
its a throwback type of action shooter game that heavily relies on you wanting to willingly play that style of "outdated" gameplay
hd2 and darktide have way more shit to learn and sink your teeth into
soft jewel
Not every game is gonna be for everyone. Especially cause yeah it's a modern 360 era game
forest scaffold
I wouldn't mind it too much if I actually felt like a space marine lmao
forest scaffold
but using a bolter that can't kill a warrior in one magazine is just so soul-suckingly unfun that I can't even get that
tropic notch
Sludge
forest scaffold
and on the flip side, the astartes mod lets you kill like 5 warriors in one mag lmao
atomic void
im still not a big fan of how the healing/armor system works but i very much feel like a super soldier in it idk
forest scaffold
which is way too far in the other direction
atomic void
and on the flip side, the astartes mod lets you kill like 5 warriors in one mag ...
ill probably use that after the game is done with main updates
i tried it before and while its fun, they treat marines like they are primarchs lmfao
forest scaffold
Yeah
errant carbon
i tried it before and while its fun, they treat marines like they are primarchs ...
Black Library Marines
forest scaffold
It's fun for a little bit
Like the funny auto-pistol is hilarious
but it being the best weapon in the mod is weird
errant carbon
Or I guess more specifically, Dan Abnett Marines
atomic void
i do appreciate all the effort modders put into the game tho
forest scaffold
termies
atomic void
Or I guess more specifically, Dan Abnett Marines
le named space marine tm
forest scaffold
the man figured out termies
which is cool don't get me wrong
but also kinda out of place
I wonder if he'll figure out how to separate champion skin pieces
so I can put the wolf helmet onto a space wolf termie
little path
The fact that sm3 was announced already is kind of
soft jewel
Wolf helmet is best helmet
forest scaffold
eh I don't mind that space
little path
kinda mega telling that SM2 was rushed
forest scaffold
Its 4-5 years away
Kinda feels like saber didn't actually mean to announce it though
atomic void
The fact that sm3 was announced already is kind of
they just announced that its in pre production
pre production takes years
actual production takes even more
sm3 wont be out for 3-5 years lmao
forest scaffold
considering it took the community rep 3 different posts to untangle all the community "Wtf" moments
soft jewel
Idk if it says it was rushed or just they are working on the next to keep the flow going. It's been so long between one and 2
atomic void
them announcing it too early is kinda wtf but if u know a thing or two about game dev u would know that itls years away
soft jewel
Also yeah games take years to make unless it's CoD or Assassins creed
little path
There's going to be way way less hype for 3
forest scaffold
or anything from from software
soft jewel
or anything from from software
Yes
atomic void
even cod takes years
activision justh as massive teams
forest scaffold
but before that, it was still really quick turnaround
little path
sm2 was weird, it got a lot of attention from non 40k fans
atomic void
FromSoft has made a product a year for almost 20 years lmao
they got like 4 full sized teams
atomic void
elden ring took them like 8 years
little path
I actually think SM1 was more fun
forest scaffold
Its just a slog of dealing with terribly slow leveling, DOGSHIT balance decisions
and bullet sponges
errant carbon
FromSoft are also absolute madmen who don't lay off the whole staff between projects to juice that next quarterly report
atomic void
modern AAA studios have thousands of employees and games takes 5 years at least if its a big production
forest scaffold
But that doesn't really start to show until you move on to other classes and wanting to play at ruthless+
tropic notch
Fromsoft had a field day with elden ring
forest scaffold
being stuck on ez mode with terrible weapons because it takes 30 matches to level a class is so stupid
tropic notch
Aren’t they triple a now?
atomic void
being stuck on ez mode with terrible weapons because it takes 30 matches to leve...
mein friendo u can just trade the currency shit as of last patch
how long has it been since u played
forest scaffold
I would consider fromsoft triple a after darksouls 3
forest scaffold
mein friendo u can just trade the currency shit as of last patch
CANT TRADE FOR LEVELING EXP
SO YOU STILL GOTTA GRIND YOUR NUTS OFF
soft jewel
Things just shouldn't take as long as Bethesda games
forest scaffold
yeah, but its also super fucking boring
leveling in sm2 is the most unfun thing I've put up with
atomic void
i dont disagree but i also hate leveling in every co op game
dorkshite drg sm2 u name it
forest scaffold
all your good shit is hidden by level 25 and 30 upgrades
atomic void
these games do not need levels
forest scaffold
and your weapons suck ass until they're gold tier
atomic void
or that many levels at least
forest scaffold
some are okay at purple
forest scaffold
dorkshite drg sm2 u name it
at least drg goes quick
you can level all four classes in a week of gaming for 2 hours a day
its overclocks that are a real slog
and mostly because its basically just a lootbox bananza
atomic void
drg leveling is kinda of a slog unless u have a friend who can run u through a bunch of haz 4s and 5s to get that exp fast
locks too much of your kit
base kit for engi is so dogwater lmfao
junior grail
Drg has the advantage of procedurally generated maps which are fun
atomic void
its overclocks that are a real slog
the only system that i outright hate
WHY IS IT RNG
i have all of them now but
took me hundrends of hours lol
junior grail
Darktide has random fixed maps which annoys us
atomic void
i like the fixed maps
soft jewel
Drg does take forever to lvl. I normally just turn my brain off and don't pay attention to that
Just kill bugs and dig holes
junior grail
i like the fixed maps
If they're always available, I'd agree
atomic void
oh that
yeah the way u select what u can play is....something
but the actual gameplay loops and map designs i like
junior grail
but the actual gameplay loops and map designs i like
Yep yep ngl the maps are AMAZING
Only comment is I'd like some more variety
More maps in the Wastes outside the Hive and maybe even some in an abandoned Hive Spire
errant carbon
WHY IS IT RNG
Dopamine Dispenser
Same reason games have done that shit going all the way back to trading card booster packs
errant carbon
hate rng <:seething:819365322250911774>
Me too brother
atomic void
like i get the appeal of rng looter shooter stuff like borderlands 2 but in online games? hell nah
errant carbon
If they're always available, I'd agree
Redditors convinced Fatshark that if we get to pick our own maps we would just spam the same one over and over again (whichever one is fastest/easiest) and there is no possible solution short of taking away our ability to pick what map we want to play
uncut pebble
Until they put penances tied to specific maps.
junior grail
Redditors convinced Fatshark that if we get to pick our own maps we would just s...
Isn't the train mission supposed to be the solution of fast paced missions?
uncut pebble
I.e. "complete havoc 40 on x mission."
soft jewel
I have only gotten train once. I wish I'd get it more often
uncut pebble
You know you can queue for it on purpose if it's on the board, right?
errant carbon
Isn't the train mission supposed to be the solution of fast paced missions?
Tren didn't come out until long after I was beyond caring about resources so I have no idea what's most the most efficient way to grind
hollow ibex
man. after playing ogryn, i just can't play vet without the melee talents anymore. vet without melee talents feels so fucking bad lol. even with PS.
errant carbon
man. after playing ogryn, i just can't play vet without the melee talents anymor...
Me when switching to Vet after playing Zealot even
hollow ibex
zealot can be fucking bonkers too
imagine whta they're going to look like after their rework lol
errant carbon
Ogryn got VT2 Slayer's shove-on-dodge talent baked right into the class, maybe Zealot will get innate Second Wind so that every build doesn't have to path through it
faint beacon
imagine whta they're going to look like after their rework lol
0 reason to play Veteran
that's what I'll say LMAO
hollow ibex
lol yeah gonna be... interseting
bummer
didn't hit 200k bleed damage
gotta remember to link to this whenever someone accuses lacerate knife of being bad
unreal nova
gotta remember to link to this whenever someone accuses lacerate knife of being ...
Something Serrated Blade something.
hollow ibex
yeah serrated blade is def great with a lacerate build
unreal nova
Mercykiller uncanny funni.
gilded wraith
Very puzzled.... Chainaxe H1 and H2 have a cleave of 8, but there's a note that cleave damage distribution falls to zero after 4 targets... So what's the point of having a cleave of 8?
hollow ibex
Very puzzled.... Chainaxe H1 and H2 have a cleave of 8, but there's a note that ...
so you can cleave through more girthier targets
or stagger more enemies per hit 
hallow drift
I.e. "complete havoc 40 on x mission."
Havoc 40 Refinery Delta penance when
uncut pebble
Havoc 40 Refinery Delta penance when
Funnily enough, I'd already have that penance if it was added...
austere mica
Very puzzled.... Chainaxe H1 and H2 have a cleave of 8, but there's a note that ...
You should be more concerned about the damage cap
Because it’s dumb
And stupid
hollow ibex
Chsword would be too op if the damage cap was removed
gilded wraith
Can someone explain the damge cap you're talking about? Does it apply to Chain Axe as well?
unreal forge
man. after playing ogryn, i just can't play vet without the melee talents anymor...
doesn't help the weapon specialist tree has everything that's great on vet even outside of the melee buffs
very loaded
the rest don't really care
focus target is great on rapid firing guns but even they benefit from the brittleness talent near weapon specialist
makes the lasgun go from 2 magazines to kill a crusher to just about over half a mag
unreal forge
Let chsword be good for once<:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
I'm not the only one who thinks Chainsword sucks?
the special ability is way way too slow at killing to be worthwhile over light attacks
and it's not particularly good at carapace either so you'd still rather use anything else
grand perch
chainsword got undeserved attention by too many gameslantern builds - top voted vet build uses it for instance...but lets not talk about the karking squad leader build
chsword lacks in any category that isnt trash horde clear basically
unreal forge
if they make the shredding do like 3x the DPS it'll be good
unreal forge
I feel like that's workable
if it were to have better special DPS
but rn it's not
maybe make it so that on end of ability use, if it kills, it staggers enemies within a radius
that'd do for a cool blessing
little path
Personally I would prefer if they made the special not only do basically 1 big hit
instead of doing a bunch of tiny hits then the final 1 big one
Just make it do a bunch of larger hits through out the entire shredding hit so canceling it still does some decent damage
uncut pebble
Sawing needs to have equal dps per tick and chainswords need to have faster sawing.
unreal forge
instead of doing a bunch of tiny hits then the final 1 big one
Just make it do a...
real
the way it works rn is so weird
little path
Also it could be fun to have a version where it's activated and deactived like the relic blade
Each hit now only hits the one guy and sticks you into the target but you can do it over and over
sharp epoch
the reason they arent that good is cause if theyre good on vet theyll be busted on zealot
like how the dueling sword on psyker was ok then zealots and vet got it now its getting nerfed
unreal forge
dueling sword on psyker was already op
calm shard
like how the dueling sword on psyker was ok then zealots and vet got it now its ...
dueling sword was already overpowered on psyker
smoky sparrow
i got a question about the powersword
right now for single target i do pushattack>light>heavy
is there a better combo?
dry cloak
Mk6 yes
placid portal
Chainsword or Chainaxe 
calm shard
gonna try using this in new havoc and see how disastrously it goes (with Mk IV Helbore and Mk IX Heavy Sword)
if it sucks too much ass against captains/twins I'll prob switch to powersword or chain axe and see how that works
normal bay
Chainsword or Chainaxe <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
Personally? Mk4 chain axe. Spam lights into elites, heavies for horde
Chainsword sword damage is... depressing honestly
calm shard
chainsword damage is so bad that it doesn't even feel good on gun psyker
that shit still feels like it does pool noodle damage with the literal highest damage amp in the game
forest breach
where plasmapistol
trail raptor
Dropping ability cooldown from one of my curios, should I take stam, 2nd gunner resist, or sniper resist?
Currently I have 2 toughness, 1 health. 201 hp. +%toughness and +%hp on all 3. Gunner resist and sprint efficiency.
Is it worth upgrading my +20% hp to +21% if I am already above 200 hp? (by 1) Still looking to find toughness ones higher than 14%...
dry cloak
On bosses
calm shard
It's good on ogryn and if you refuse to put your helbore away sure
Most weapons have tolerable sprint efficiency, and you'll almost always have one weapon equipped with good sprint efficiency you can swap to
trail raptor
oh nice shop just had a 68 thermal, 72 charge plasma gun. So close.
Okay so say I am dropping sprint efficiency AND ability cooldown, any suggestions? I would only have hp/toughness + 1 gunner resist
pseudo fiber
oh nice shop just had a 68 thermal, 72 charge plasma gun. So close.
Okay so say ...
Grab hrab
Grab it
Now
trail raptor
grabbed
trail raptor
I have to get to 500 first yeah?
pseudo fiber
Yeah
pseudo fiber
Basically Plasma guns god roll is 68 point something thermal. Since you can't check decimals that's why the optimal one is 69% thermal since that'll always be over the decimal needed for 8 shots while also maxing out charge rate
trail raptor
Okay so 8th shot got me to 100 but I think I waited a second between 1-2 shots. gonna try just spam clicking
8 shots
dfaaaaamn
trail raptor
Thank you very much for getting me to grab it
pseudo fiber
Thank you very much for getting me to grab it
trail raptor
Haha sorry
pseudo fiber
It's fine enjoy gamer
trail raptor
Will do!
slow spade
I'm not saying no UwU
torpid canyon
I gotta check my scout lazgun for stats
fervent quest
Quick question, if I have Catch a Breath and Born Leader, what do my teammates get when Catch comes online? 1% a second?
faint beacon
Quick question, if I have Catch a Breath and Born Leader, what do my teammates g...
If they're in coherency
its not really worth taking for the sake of like
buffing Coherency regen slightly but idk thats up to you
fervent quest
Yeah it's more like "Well they're on the way to stuff I'm taking anyway and I can sort of see it being useful". To be clear it's not exactly the same as Coherency Toughness Regeneration, right? I know it's regenerating toughness in coherency 😅 but it's predicated on the Catch a Breath trigger not the normal coherency regen conditions
This is for a "messing around in Damnation pubs" thing where having some team qol seems like an OK idea not like fine tailoring talent selection for Hav 40
faint beacon
well tbf the moment any horde show up or you get shot at Coherency regen is no longer active till the fight ends
so I mean it has use?
extremely small
but its there
red robin
Man
Does covering fire have a use case?
Or is it trolling
Because of “just melee in that scenario”
3s of 20% base dmg seems neat for teammates
hollow ibex
Does covering fire have a use case?
Nope
umbral scaffold
All right new to playing veteran what talents should I take if anyone would like to help
grand perch
its just base damage and doesnt apply to yourself. trash
umbral scaffold
I would appreciate
grand perch
just take grenade tinkerer every time
grand perch
All right new to playing veteran what talents should I take if anyone would like...
for starters, 5 points to spend where you like. learn and adapt from there
slow spade
Covering Fire is so bad compared to tinkerer
I'm surprised they haven't overhauled it
hollow ibex
I'm surprised they haven't overhauled it
It’ll be fixed in the vet rework in 2027
slow spade
Indeed, a small buff but at least it's something
red robin
But 3s up time is nothing burger
slow spade
It’ll be fixed in the vet rework in 2027
Next week? Can't wait 
slow spade
But 3s up time is nothing burger
3s -> 30s 🤔
quartz adder
It’ll be fixed in the vet rework in 2027
vet just needs real keystones
slow spade
To be fair, Weapon Specialist is a good keystone
Ping keystone is too bland to be interesting but at least its good
Marksmen is just annoying and buffs the wrong guns imo
fervent quest
well tbf the moment any horde show up or you get shot at Coherency regen is no l...
Okay, so born leader IS coherency toughness regen? Not just "okay you got toughness so your team gets 15% of that"?!
hollow ibex
well i'm glad they're fixing the havoc derank issue. now they just need to make the damn thing QP instead of shoving the party finder down our fucking throats
nobody uses party finder on NA west
which means havoc is dead there
red robin
Okay, so born leader IS coherency toughness regen? Not just "okay you got toughn...
200 toughness, you get 15% from a headshot from exhilarating takedown, that’s 30, born leader gives ur team 4.5
Basically it’s stronger the more toughness you have
I think shout bonus toughness counts for that percent too
fervent quest
Yeah with my build and curios I'm pretty well north of 200, might be like 230/240 have to check
red robin
If you want to play off born leader, mmf has tunnel vision which can multiply your toughness gain by 50%/75% at 10/15 stacks
fervent quest
No thanks
red robin
I like using it and I notice my psyker friend dying less
Just use automatic weapons with mmf
Makes it less dog
Shredder makes good use of it
With its finesse curve buff
viral plank
All right new to playing veteran what talents should I take if anyone would like...
Shout and you're halfway there
red robin
Can even take inspiring barrage to regen more for your team
It’s a lot of point tax building a support build that wouldn’t be needed if you just optimized for dmg tho
Best support gameplay is killing the thing before your team can go out of their way to die from it
unreal nova
And then the Field Improv war starts.
slow spade
Born Leader is good by sheer virtue its competition is shit and it leads to good nodes
red robin
^
slow spade
10% damage for 5 sec, 50% suppression, or coherency wide toughness regen
What a competition lol
red robin
Literally hate the 5s buff and I hate when suppression makes gunners seek cover
I just want them to be shot dead
slow spade
Indeed
At least Born Leader is at least good now
It used to be coherency regen only lol
stuck gorge
just constantly regen your teammates toughness
pastel zealot
what perks make the most sense on a power sword? i kinda want to use it now that deactivation doesnt cancel out on getting hit
hollow ibex
elite + carapace is what i use
pastel zealot
ooo thats probably way better than what i have on currently. i havent used it since before they made more mobs with carapace
good call
red robin
Why maniac?
pastel zealot
is it still brutal momentum and power cycler?
hollow ibex
is it still brutal momentum and power cycler?
ye
red robin
oic
red robin
does that anyways eh
pastel zealot
oh so maniacs is preferred over carapace?
red robin
Ok sounds good
hollow ibex
i'm just following path's guide
loud belfry
elitiac
hollow ibex
yeah
actually i think maniac might give the one tap breakpoint against muties
with push attack
on some builds
so that can be meaningful
tall torrent
Why maniac?
Push ATK 1 tap mutant
Can use carapace too
Carapace saves u 1-2 points (no need for bring it down)
pastel zealot
i just played a game with the power sword...ugh. i love this thing.
thanks for the advice 😄
fervent quest
Power Sword is a lot of fun just wish the activation was more like relic blade
woeful oak
Was power sword fixed to not deactivate on getting hit?
hollow ibex
hope you really love PS, because vet doesn't have many other options for melee
hollow ibex
Was power sword fixed to not deactivate on getting hit?
yes but actually no
pastel zealot
i noticed it did cut off a few times
woeful oak
yes but actually no
Elaborate pls
hollow ibex
it's still bugged, where if you get hit while attacking, you lose the charge
fervent quest
hope you really love PS, because vet doesn't have many other options for melee <...
What else is there? Rashad, combat blade, dueling sword?
hollow ibex
What else is there? Rashad, combat blade, dueling sword?
heavy sword
but realistically top tier is powersword, followed by DS and Rashad
fervent quest
I tried messing with HS IX on Zealot and idk wasn't vibing with it
Maybe I built it wrong
hollow ibex
well you can use VII too
it's mainly a low-investment melee option if you hate PS
and have something to deal with carapace
pastel zealot
i figured it would be DS > PS because of the mobility difference?
hollow ibex
well DS has lower damage potential
pastel zealot
eh?
hollow ibex
esp against hordes/mixed hordes
pastel zealot
fair
hollow ibex
and PS kills crushers faster too
pastel zealot
honestly i like the Shock Maul too
hollow ibex
i never vibed with shock maul personally but yeah it can be ok
just a very mid weapon, but doesn't need investment
cinder token
I've started leveling my Veteran (I mained Psyker previously) and have faced the problem of never having enough stamina. I can't block at all. I bought 2 stamina curious, hope it will change something.
hollow ibex
welcome to vet life...
cinder token
I also really want to make Infantry Lasgun + Executioner's Stance work, but it seems that I'll have to run VoC if I want to do high diff missions with less pain
cinder token
take sprint efficiency on your curios
thanks! is power sword the best thing for horde clearing?
slow spade
Its really good at it but idk if it's the best
hollow ibex
i'd say it's the best
barren nimbus
The best weapon for most hordes is probably the knife and dueling sword
hollow ibex
if you factor in mixed hordes
slow spade
Rashad when boosted can compete with it
hollow ibex
rashad is going to be very close yeah
hollow ibex
The best weapon for most hordes is probably the knife and dueling sword
now that's a take lol
slow spade
Chain axe best hordeclear UwU
cinder token
I'll try Power Sword. Sapper Shovel MKVII is decent, but I struggled with it against hordes. I didn't have any curious tho, it might be different with +max stamina, stamina regeneration and sprint efficiency
hollow ibex
sprint efficiency is very good on vet
better than stam regen
max stam just give you more stam
cinder token
do you have a noob friendly all-rounder build with VoC?
hollow ibex
but you should take sprint eff on all 3 curios
cinder token
with grenade regen probably?
hollow ibex
vets aren't having a good time rn, but can still be good
pastel zealot
is this correct?
https://i.imgur.com/1UpQFgk.png
stuck gorge
vets have some cool cosmetics just don’t feel fun to play
stuck gorge
is this correct?
https://i.imgur.com/1UpQFgk.png
oh gets hot increases dmg now?
pastel zealot
seems so
pseudo fiber
Rising heat always was strength
stuck gorge
I just don’t remember it giving a bonus besides crit
stuck gorge
my favorite, descriptions that aren’t accurate!
pseudo fiber
They kinda are... but also aren't now
Gets hot gives a scaling value in to 50%
But only says 10 now
pastel zealot
but is my plasma gun built correctly? 😮
lusty ether
austere fog
One message removed from a suspended account.
fervent quest
Weapon Specialist is great and focus target is free damage but you can easily go without keystones imo.
austere fog
weapon specialist helps with auto reload
One message removed from a suspended account.
narrow frost
works well for that
tall torrent
is this correct?
https://i.imgur.com/1UpQFgk.png
unarmored + flak for plasma
pastel zealot
unarmored + flak for plasma
how come unarmored over unyielding?
tall torrent
how come unarmored over unyielding?
1 headshot dreg gunner
and 1 bodyshot tox bomber given enough rising heat stacks
in havoc, enables 1 headshot dreg shotgunner, and 1 headshot tox bomber given enough rising heat stacks / red node temporary buffs
plucky kite
chat is this a good stat spread?
hollow ibex
If you enjoy suffering
red robin
stability is dump
orchid hemlock
what are good perks for it?
orchid hemlock
Who will win?
Path making 1 comprehensive guide that is easy to navigate and understand
or
8, one hour unedited rants on YouTube
red robin
i like rants because it fills up my time to draw
but the other one is good for quick reference
serene bough
I avoid youtube for information
I use a mix of my own testing and the information from this discord server
versed osprey
narrow frost
Psword/Dueling sword, Plasma/Bolt pistol/recon
unreal nova
Who will win?
Path making 1 comprehensive guide that is easy to navigate and u...
Assuming the guide releases before server shuts, lul. He seems to be finding ways of procrastinating lul.
tall torrent
Assuming the guide releases before server shuts, lul. He seems to be finding way...
presentations and exams
hollow ibex
Should be done by August?
unreal nova
presentations and exams
Yes, but other than those.
tall torrent
Should be done by August?
probably before that (?) but no promises
I may release it early with majority completion
with some parts to add later
rain badger
unreal nova
Quality AI text.
rain badger
ABOMINABLE INTELLIGENCE?! 
unreal nova
ABOMINABLE INTELLIGENCE?! <:Wut:736952541471965234>
Yeah, they use AI to answer some of those now.
Some are just direct rips from guides.
Or wikis.
tall torrent
currently missing
40% of intro
21 melee weapons
5 blessing sections
entire curio sections
entire enemy sections
entire build sections
TBA post-release (?)
havoc related parts
penance related parts
also I joined zealot guide production
there'll be some overlap with that
unreal nova
Melee?
tall torrent
more like
entire intro sections will mostly be copy paste from my vet guide
as for melee weapons
not sure how the other producers want to approach it
faint beacon
@tall torrent Speaking of, hows Vet Guide looking so far
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> Speaking of, hows Vet Guide looking so far
currently missing
40% of intro (DOT, stagger, toughness, CD, void shield, avoiding dmg, player dmg, suppression)
21 melee weapons
5 blessing sections
entire curio sections
entire enemy sections
entire build sections
TBA post-release (?)
havoc related parts
penance related parts
faint beacon
Probably should try helping with some of the melees
been doing nothing but grinding Camos on Zombies and brainlessly pub playing on Tide
tall torrent
Probably should try helping with some of the melees
if u have 2FA on steam acc and can guarantee ur acc won't be hacked
and won't change stuff already there
I can add u as contributor
narrow frost
**currently missing**
40% of intro (DOT, stagger, toughness, CD, void shield, av...
If you need help with penance part I'll share my input