veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

it's just a really good toughness restore stick

if you don't care about that, then you can just dump

[mortal horizon]

what does 80 ammo 60 collat do differently?

what do you mean perfect inspiring barrage

[hollow ibex]

66 ammo makes inspiring barrage proc every shot or something like that

so you can restore full toughness silly quick

[mortal horizon]

but ill also have less ammo

hmm

interesting tho

[ancient path]

i wish devil claws were a lil better

[hollow ibex]

it's a good tradeoff imo

[ancient path]

tho theyre a very fun weap to use

[mortal horizon]

im not understanding with the new system...how do i roll a plasma with these stats? Im just gonna get 80/80/80/80/60 rolls mostly, no?

[hollow ibex]

download that mod that allows you to buy like 20 weapons at once

and then spam buy until the correct max stats show up

[ancient path]

also they should bring back stripped down memes.

[hollow ibex]

i wish dclaw was a LOT better

[mortal horizon]

so I need one that AFTER empowering, has 69 thermal resist, 71-72 charge rate....
and 80 eveyrthing else

i just rolled like 200k and im not seeing how thats even possible'

[ancient path]

yeah....

parrying crushers is fun

i wanted something that kinda fits more of the rp of a catachan jungle fighter with my braced autogun

and rambo'ing mobs

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-first-blood-gif-23989356

me and my braced autogun after i get full stacks of WS

[mortal horizon]

so something like this?
is it possible to get 80 dmg, 80 stopping power, and the others where i want?

will i miss breakpoints with 77% dmg, and 76% stopping power?

so those HAVE to be 80?

ive never heard of such a specific roll tbh lmao

[ancient path]

but the day they buff devils claw and combat shotties ill be happy

and IAGs

IAGs are kinda fine but tough competition rn

[mortal horizon]

this roll isnt possible/

72 charge rate.
80 everything else.
68 thermal

so i have to accept < 80 damage, stopping power, ammo?

i just need some clarity on how this is possible

so i dont waste all my gold

i will sit here and be upset i dont have a min maxed plasma after 2.5k hours

[warm schooner]

I really wouldn't lose this much sleep over the stats on your plasma. This won't make or break a high havoc run

[mortal horizon]

but this roll seems impossible lol

[mortal horizon]

too late, I already will

[sharp epoch]

80 everything except 70 thermal and 70 charge rate +/- 1

[mortal horizon]

now that i know, i have to have a perfect one

but i need to understand what im going for

[warm schooner]

welp

[mortal horizon]

does not seem possible

[sharp epoch]

Its possible because dump stat usually 60

so if its split 70/70 its that missing 20

[tame lodge]

How do I tell you this

[mortal horizon]

i just rolled one with 80 everything else and those ones arent high enough.
which means theres not enough stats to go aroundf

[mortal horizon]

so i need to be < 80 on the other 3?

[sharp epoch]

I'll show an example rq

[tame lodge]

No
You need 80 on damage, stopping power and Ammo

[mortal horizon]

then its not possible to get 72/69

[mortal horizon]

dont these roll with a minimum amount of stats?

[sharp epoch]

71/69 works

not 72

[mortal horizon]

so 80 80 80, 71 charge, 69 thermal is possible

and is the 'perfect' roll?

[sharp epoch]

yup

[mortal horizon]

seems almost impossible to hit

[tame lodge]

It's a really expensive perfect weapon

[sharp epoch]

its "perfect" in that it shoots 8 shots in succession without having to vent, and having the highest charge rate it can

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[sharp epoch]

its not that hard

just spam brunts

[hollow ibex]

I have 70-70 after like 3m down the drain

Idc at this point

[sharp epoch]

70/70 works

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it's just not perfect

[sharp epoch]

Meh I don't think it changes much

as long as it hits that 8 shot breakpoint

[hollow ibex]

It doesn't but was hoping for more for the amount of money I spent reeeee

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it does

[mortal horizon]

oh fuck

i guess it is possible

cool

[broken spade]

sorry but you should've gotten 71 charge rate instead
this will fire like 1/100000th of a second slower and is unusable trash

[mortal horizon]

thanks LMAO

fucking nailed it

took 1 million dockets or so

[sharp epoch]

🥹

[mortal horizon]

listen i know im ocd and the .5% difference of me obssessing over a perfect one will never be noticed

but i have too many hours in this game to accept anything less than perfection

lmao

[red robin]

Why 71/69 ratio on plas?

[mortal horizon]

but fuck, i think i fucking hit it above lol, 1millino dockets

[mortal horizon]

#veteran-class message

here you go jester

they just explained it to me above

[red robin]

Ty

Ooo

I see now

[sleek garden]

just got killed because i tried going down a ladder only for my guy to immediately climb back up into a crusher overhead

[hollow ibex]

Heretical ladders

Ladders are so ass in this game

[polar charm]

Just dump stat thermal resistance.

And everything else 80. For the budget plasma.

That doesnt cost a million.

[mortal horizon]

honestly

can't believe i complained this seemed like an impossible roll

then immediately hit it like 2 mins later lol

remember guys; complaining always works

fuck ya

ty everyone for advice/info

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-toy-story-i-dont-wanna-play-with-you-anymore-dont-wanna-play-no-more-play-gif-26906930

(old 80/60 roll)

[ancient path]

forgot how fun IAG executioner stance is

playin good ol cakkadookie

if only stuff like covering fire was good

would you guys take Exhilarating Takedown with ES?

[hollow ibex]

Nah

O4B for life

[fallen sable]

are chainswords any better / different after update?

[hollow ibex]

No

[ancient path]

out for blood pretty good?

interesting

[tame lodge]

It's toughness for killing

5% for ranged

10% for melee

[ancient path]

oh wait that works on ranged, too? very interesting.

[tame lodge]

Grenades proc it as well

Frags become king of tg replenish

[barren nimbus]

Sadge

[mortal horizon]

Knife on vet ...
I feel like you would want a bleed blessing to keep your horde clear up. But lacerate is just kinda bad. Do we get enough crit to justify flesh tearer?

or fuck bleed, we have shredder grenades and just rock uncanny/reposte?

i was thinking uncanny/FT or riposte/ft just unsure if its uptime will be good enough

[hollow ibex]

lacerate knife is pretty good, esp since serrated blade got buffed

forget tearer

not worth

[gilded rock]

Lacerate goes against the entire point of knife

Knife is a finesse weapon

Which is crits and especially head shots

[hollow ibex]

yes.

[hollow ibex]

yes.

[hollow ibex]

no.

[gilded rock]

Yes

[hollow ibex]

because as it turns out, mk3 knife will constantly proc lacerate even if you're aiming for the head because of how wonky the light attacks are

so you can aim for headshots all game, and still get 60k bleed damage anyway from just your knife

[gilded rock]

If you're looking for horde clear on knife for some reason you should use the more generalist knife mark instead

It works without compromising your blessings

[hollow ibex]

compromise? nah lacerate/uncanny mk3 is genuinely good now.

[gilded rock]

Maybe so

[hollow ibex]

i'd say it's on par with a "normal" mk6

you have to take WS though

[tame lodge]

Bro if you want horde clear on the mk3 just take all the Stam delay nodes and PA spam

It's a guaranteed kill every swing

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-undisputed-nope-funny-face-gif-536487951695337499

if i wanted to do weapon combos or PA spam, i'd take mk6

[tame lodge]

Lacerate is just dogshit

https://tenor.com/view/gleemies-gleemboss-gif-23542767

[hollow ibex]

say that to my 100k bleed damage every match

(and yes, i'm still top fragging)

[tame lodge]

Lacerate is just dogshit

There I said it

[hollow ibex]

cope

[tame lodge]

Are you really saying cope after speaking of lacerate?

Nah you're baiting fr fr

Anyways

Got stuff to do

See you later

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/a-few-good-men-you-cant-handle-the-truth-jack-nicholson-gif-19436076

so run away, run far far away

[tame lodge]

Nah I got irl stuff to do

You know, things that matter

See ya

[hollow ibex]

cya

[polar charm]

Is this trash tier knife usable?

[austere mica]

guh

[tame lodge]

Just drop Lacerate for something else

[narrow frost]

yes, but I would not recommend it for a newer player

precog + uncanny/riposte is easier to use

flak/unyielding

[polar charm]

Mastering some weapons and no money.

Here we go stub revolver from 0 to 20 gogogo.

30 hours later...

[earnest dew]

Those are like the two best blessings you can roll. Now replace the carapace with with either maniac or unyielding.

[polar charm]

Why doesnt the merchant give any MK III knives?

[earnest dew]

Because you can change marks.

[polar charm]

I, wh-

How?

[earnest dew]

go to inventory

click on weapon

on the top right side you will see Marks,Cosmetics

Also do NOT drop lacerate, as it is the most consistent when comes to bleeding enemies for horde clear.

[polar charm]

This was brand new info for me!

[mortal horizon]

i used to always take agile engagement in every WS build

but recently with the new 'meta' vet WS build, theres just no room for it

with all the good nodes down low

kinda sad

maybe ill make a stealth build

[austere mica]

Oooorrrr

You could run smokes

(and close and kill)

[mortal horizon]

they just are useless tho arent they lol

[austere mica]

Smokes are great

They get better the higher difficulty you're in

[mortal horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-are-you-absolutely-certain-are-you-positive-can-you-verify-that-gif-10549268703103241949

[earnest dew]

They're actually pretty good when there's high density shooters.

[mortal horizon]

really?

[earnest dew]

Because enemies will either just not shoot

[austere mica]

Its a dome that can't expire early and fucks with special targeting

[earnest dew]

or shoot at your last known location.

[mortal horizon]

probs could get away with it in AM

[earnest dew]

it causes funny behaviors with bombers and trappers just running into you.

[mortal horizon]

but in havoc i feel like giving up 100 shredder grenades a match is nuts lol

[earnest dew]

I've ran them in havoc 40. it works wonders when bubble is down.

[austere mica]

They're most useful in havoc

[warm schooner]

There's video of a vet with smokes duoing high havoc

[hollow ibex]

if you want to do lacerate, do mk3

[mortal horizon]

im not saying it cant work or isnt doable

[hollow ibex]

otherwise don't bother

[austere mica]

Because you have 3 charges of dome with a 60 second cooldown

[mortal horizon]

just feels bad to lose throwing 80+ shredder grenades a game, which is not onlky incredibly powerful but fun lol

[austere mica]

and you can throw them in between you and the problem instead of strictly on top of you

[earnest dew]

Each nades serves a differnt purpose

Shreddors - horde clear
Kraks - deleting max stacks of armor/chunking boss health
Smokes - High shooter densities.

[mortal horizon]

shredders tho are just good all around

bc of the stagger, the amount you get to throw

the bleed

but ya i agree

it just feels to me in havoc shredder spam is the strongest

but with the new modifiers i have seen kraks come in handy quite a few times

when a bunch of stacked armor+ red and purple

is scary

[tame lodge]

Works on everything with a gun, dogs and Beast of Nurgle

Just remember to stay inside the smoke

(be mindful that it won't stop Trappers from shooting, they'll just have to get really close, similar to bon)

[mortal horizon]

ok cool

what are the best augment nodes for infiltrate?

any must-haves? like 2x charges maybe

[austere mica]

Low Profile

Extends 8 seconds of stealth to 18

[mortal horizon]

hmm, ya, feels like it could be harmful to teammates tho no lol

[austere mica]

Stealth already does that

Low Profiles means you're way better at objectives

And can get around bulwarks and stay behind them

[mortal horizon]

i just love having grenades that actually help you kill stuff, taking smokes is killing me, but imma try it

i never do stealth builds on vet tbh

only executioner and shout lol

[austere mica]

The only vet builds I have fun with are full right tree

[mortal horizon]

hows this?

[jaunty rune]

grab grenade regen

[mortal horizon]

also i was sort of planning on using it with a double barrelshotgun and manstopper, and quick swapping for the insta reload after melee, figure it would work well with smokes/stealth letting me close gaps

[austere mica]

Are you running an MK knife?

[mortal horizon]

even for smokes? ok

[austere mica]

If not drop serrated and demo team and grab demo stockpile

Consistent smokes are better than demo team smokes

[mortal horizon]

probably dont need demolition team

its not a shredder build

should i drop On your Toes for it? as well? need 1 more point

[austere mica]

What melee are you running

[mortal horizon]

i vary on mood

for this i was grabbing serrated edge bc i wanted to try bleed knife

for fun

but knife, ds, rashad, power sword are my typical vet melees

sometimes chain axe actually too

[austere mica]

Serrated is only needed if you run an MK knife

[mortal horizon]

mk III guessing you mean ya?

[austere mica]

I'd also get FTE over born leader

[mortal horizon]

sorry VI

[austere mica]

Mercy Killer

[mortal horizon]

ohh

i was gonna run uncanny lacerate for just max bleed funny

but maybe serrated edge is enough

[austere mica]

You don't need lacerate

You have a horde clear option with Manstopper dbarrel

Lean full into single target with your melee

[mortal horizon]

also, isnt precog > mercy killer anyway? as its both crit and weakspot

and the activation is pretty neutral

[austere mica]

MK is more consistent (if you have serrated)

[hollow ibex]

if you want max bleed memes, you should do shredders + flechette DB

[austere mica]

Flechette Dbarrel works with weapon spec easily

I run flechette manstopper

Scattershot lets you shoot earlier while still confirming a crit (1 stack WS versus 3)

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e994a26-a751-4091-9425-694771e03a2e/bleedmaxxing

this is what i run

1 flex point that's in CAB

[proven veldt]

guys i got 2 questions? ive been running devils claw for the longest time and i want more mobility, should i go for combat blade or dueling sword

also what is dump stat on combat knife?! duelling i know

[hollow ibex]

dump stat on knife is mobility

[stray rain]

What can proc crits more ? Dueling sword , tac axe or a knife ?

[tame lodge]

Knife has 15% innate crit all times

Tac axe varies but highest is 12%

DS got no innate crit chance

[stray rain]

So why ppl are using it in crit builds

[tame lodge]

Because it's a finesse weapon

Still loves crit

Also has Riposte which is 20% CRIT chance on successful dodge

And Shred

But uh
Riposte and Shred on the same build is kinda eh

https://tenor.com/view/memes-thednaofthesoul-memesthednaofthesoul-monsoon-metalgearrising-gif-26431019

[radiant chasm]

cause it has like a 3x finesse ration

[hollow ibex]

i like it on FGS

very funny

[mortal horizon]

i always used scattershot as you mentioned + manstopper but flachette sounds cool ill try it.
Do you guys do the melee, swap shoot, melee once, swap shot, you can go back and forth a few times and just crush.

ive been trying melees that feel good with the playstyle, and the brutal momentum rashad i honestly works the best for hot swapping

[hollow ibex]

i shoot once the melee attack speed bonus is gone

don't need to shoot all the time... unless you want to ig

with rashad it might literally be swing once, shoot once

[serene bough]

I use fleshtearer

Ultimately though as long as you take uncanny, the other blessing is just preference

FT, precog, riposte, even mercy killer w/ serrated blade all work

I havent tried lacerate in a long while but some folks think its good, maybe w/ serrated blade its actually decent now

[hollow ibex]

it's actually good with serrated blade

with mk3's attack patterns

[serene bough]

Why mk3 not mk6

Just bc mk6 weaves in heavy attacks?

[hollow ibex]

yeah and mk3's light spam attack animation forces you to hit non-weakspots

even when you're aiming for the head

which means lacerate is proccing all the time

[marsh condor]

Hey guys, what if the Veteran gets a militarized flare gun, aka grenade pistol?

Its special could even be loading our current grenades, with the benefit of exploding on impact

[gritty mural]

the ultimatum

[tough tiger]

is execution blessing worth it on bolt pistol

20% dmg on staggered?

[sharp epoch]

Not really

[ornate ivy]

If you want a gun that does vet nades on shot, just go ogryn rumbler with burn node and bleed blessing

[marsh condor]

The main projectile is an incendiary round that bounces around.

[ornate ivy]

With the new 10%crit node on gryn, it's insane

The entire explosion does incendiary

With big boom, it's the size of a vet made

Nade*

[marsh condor]

Just thinking of a Scorch Shot for this

[ornate ivy]

And +20% ammo means you got 30 vet nades on command

[marsh condor]

The other option for a basic projectile is a big ol' shell or slug.

Or both.

But there's already a shotgun that does those.

[ornate ivy]

Tbh ogryn shotgun should be where the other shotguns are, except they are semi auto

I mean the other shot guns should be where it is

Im a bit drunk

[marsh condor]

What?

Ah.

Still, what?

[ornate ivy]

They should have the same cleave the new shotgun has, the automatic part should be exclusive to ogryn

You get me?

[marsh condor]

The Ripper Guns? They use bigger shells.

Not Kickback big (40 mm), but still bigger than what the normal shotguns use.

[ornate ivy]

Well lore wise, but if shooting into a haz 5 horde with a combat shotgun feels like a wet fart, it isn't as fun

[marsh condor]

With the Manstopper blessings?

[ornate ivy]

The closest that a combat shotgun feels good and close to gryn ripper is psyker max stacks the right side tree with max clever blessing

The ogryn rippers automatically get the bonus cleave

And the manstopper is only good with its other percs that include the crit node and 2nd blessing

On vet you are putting all your eggs in the one crit basket

[marsh condor]

I still think it wouldn't make sense if it applies to all shotguns.

Unrelated to the subject though, is it fair to assume that the different combat shotguns have different bore sizes?

Like 12 gauge, 10 gauge, 8 gauge.

[ornate ivy]

I think in 40k 12 gauge would be the smallest.

But if you're thinking about damage to bullet ratio, at least give the lowest dmg shotgun the cleave a bit more

[marsh condor]

Nah, I think that should go to the middle one, the one with the dedicated cleave shell.

And, just so I am clear, not on said special shell.

The basic shells get the extra cleave.

[ornate ivy]

For sure. But If you try out fire shell, it has the same cleave as the wide shell middle mark. Add that on top of the manstopper blessing means it's better than the first two marks

Alas, as it stands, shotguns are going to be inferior to at least 70% of what guns vet has

[marsh condor]

But not to the Zealot.

But that's for another time.

Back on the topic, I was under the assumption that the fire shell is better against hordes in a rough line.

[ornate ivy]

Tbh, zealot has even less gun options for the shotgun besides the guaranteed crits

[marsh condor]

While the wide shell is better for hordes coming in a tide.

[ornate ivy]

Shotgun Fire is the 3rd dot vet can get

Lasgun is first

Bleed 2nd

And that's only because lasgun is most reliable because ammo is more available than nades

[marsh condor]

Does electricity count?

[ornate ivy]

I think in terms of Dots, it's fire, soul blaze, electricity, than
Then bleed,

And that's because elrctro also stunned the horde while it's applied

It's also because soulblaze is easier to stack compared to bleed

[split grove]

whats havoc meta for vet

[umbral scaffold]

Definitely plasma gun, bolter, dueling sword, taxe, knife

[split grove]

boltor with what build?

[unreal forge]

I like weapons specialist with the perk that restores mag ammo on activation

perfect for the bolter and plasma gun

almost feels like a must-have

[umbral scaffold]

Guess it depends on grenade and melee for bolter and knife I use +- this but it really depends on your style

[unreal forge]

why would you need kraks with bolter?

by the time your krak is done exploding you could've already killed anything with your bolter

also makes no sense to use the perk to increase their damage, because even without it they already one-shot everything below a boss

missing out on buffed medipack ain't worth it!!!!

you could also forego "exploit weakness" (near weapons specialist) for the +25 toughness because that'd probably be way more helpful than the unnoticeable buff exploit weakness provides

[umbral scaffold]

Because I love them IDC

🤣

[umbral scaffold]

For meta I would use smoke

[unreal forge]

also the fact you use two points to go for the 2 stacks of bleed??? ignoring things like +15% elite damage or mag restore

[marble yew]

Just came back after a long break with my old plasma and power sword build, is this build still strong?

[umbral scaffold]

I said +- I cannot find proper build

Take it easy 🫡

Ok le me see

I think it's this but I'm at work so...

That restore mag never really worked for me I tried it many times

Ohh yeah your right about that toughness

That's it !

[tidal mango]

How come smoke grenade is meta all of a sudden?

Genuine question

Better than shredder frags with demo team and that over time recharge?

[dry cloak]

no. always take free nade every minute

[tidal mango]

Got it

But still, are smoke grenades really a viable option?

[split grove]

on havoc its pretty great

[placid portal]

Smonk allows you to control a playing area, shits surprisingly good

[elder fiber]

Yeah they gotta be placed well

[placid portal]

But imo really good for closing enemy position that likes to pelt you with bullets

[tidal mango]

So when exactly do i use them? Sorry if that is a silly question but i have only used them in the past for this god awfull penace

[placid portal]

Iirc Smonk blocks LoS as well(except snipers)

Smonk prevents flamer/trappers from shooting if they're outside while you're inside and limits their range attack detection while in it iirc

Bombers kinda ignore it thou

[elder fiber]

Throw them where you are/want to be and stand in smoke, it breaks ai of ranged units (including specialists besides bombers) so they run up and die

Breaks dog ai too iirc

[placid portal]

Goofy shit

Makes an area a melee killing field

[umbral scaffold]

Smoke also good for reloading your weapons safely

[placid portal]

Woe, 20 ragers upon yee

[tidal mango]

Ok I'm convinced, thanks guys!

[umbral scaffold]

But you fight melee then don't you and shoot to enemies afar

[tidal mango]

Would you still keep demo team and over time recharge?

[placid portal]

Honestly more grenades the better imo

[umbral scaffold]

So smoke is good for bolter couse you are slow and can get staggered

[placid portal]

Spam that shit so much that enemies cannot find your weed cave

[heavy rover]

A lot of possible builds. At the very least it's Voice of Command and Survivalist

And add iron will to that too

[placid portal]

If I play Ogryn and see smonk, it is good day to be giant man

[umbral scaffold]

You just hate the smoke don't ya?

[placid portal]

?

I love that shit, I learned how cracked it was when Havoc came

[umbral scaffold]

🫡

VoC also helps with reload thing for me

[tidal mango]

If it makes big man happy, let it rain smoke grenades from now on!

[placid portal]

Ofc I was a disbeliever when smonk came out

[umbral scaffold]

[heavy rover]

Hard for me to swap to smoke once I've gotten a taste of the mk iib infantry las with ghost

I can stare down a hall of gunners and not even blink

[umbral scaffold]

But with bolter smoke VoC is good

And you get 5% speed on the way

From smoke

Which also helps when moving with heavy weapon

[placid portal]

Ghost is some good shit fr

[regal belfry]

idk why but i never use smoke as vet

[frank basin]

see, smoke grenade isn't that means to deal damage, it meant to conceal yourself from ranged enemies firing.

they are great use ultility tool

[mighty willow]

What do they do?

I never saw one in game 😭

[frank basin]

@mighty willow

[mighty willow]

Do they work against snipers?

[frank basin]

yes

it conceal yourself from ranaged enemy

[mighty willow]

I can see the appeal

Shredder just works for me more, it's a generalist grenade

[frank basin]

but machine gunner once they start firing and you throw smoke, they keep firing for moment until they'll run out ammo or stopped

[frank basin]

they look like this smog

which isn't that thickness blocking visual

[lusty ether]

So I was testing out revolvers more

What's the usual kinda build for a revolver?

Thought run and gun with the hip fire one was funny, but the actual ADS is a lot more usable.

[dry cloak]

yes

[lusty ether]

Kinda, at least to me, feels worse than the vigilant autogun.

Like you can pop bigger things faster, but clearing out mid sized stuff with consistent headshots is slower.

But you get to run around faster.

[dry cloak]

revolver is usually picked as sepcial deleter

[frank basin]

high piority targetting

[lusty ether]

Yeah, although I tend to use the single shot vigilant autogun

And kinda split the difference

Kinda feels like the skill cap is higher, there, if you can pop gunners, bombers, flamers, ragers in very quick succession.

With the vigilant autogun.

Which you can also do just fine with the revolver, just with less in reserve and the mag

[regal belfry]

huh the mp does less damage then the fastest brace autogun per shot

[unreal forge]

something better than smoke is just sliding

[frank basin]

ogryn is vulnerable to open area when hail bullets of gunners

[unreal forge]

ogryn don't got smoke

and sliding still works

[frank basin]

which is why vet smoke can assist them

[unreal forge]

smoke also conceals the enemies!

[frank basin]

yes

but you'll get sticky situation like ranged and horde melee mix coming at you.

[unreal forge]

you can just slide and have visibility of the enemies and avoid their gunfire, and then use a grenade that kills... seems like the best of both worlds

[frank basin]

you do need throw at them and clear horde and get close to rangers

[unreal forge]

or slide to cover

[frank basin]

just making sure they not walk out smoke radius

yeah don't like being pinned down

from enemies firing

[unreal forge]

like you said gunners will keep firing through smoke

[frank basin]

lot gunners are bullshit spawn

yeah i means without smoke it be annoying being pinned down

[unreal forge]

so those positions r still compromised

[frank basin]

they still firing straight line

but they can't see you

just avoid the las firing like laser touch

and bullets projectory from dreg

otherwise, if you bring exe stance it be useful for that only situation

if someone score quick kill like aimbot, probably they don't go smoke grenade if they intent focus on rangers

[umbral scaffold]

I like team play VoC or smoke is team friendly and ppl really appreciate it I dont understand why someone would be against them in some situations you cannot only be thinking about slanding in open arenas or think with enemy they are great

In terms of tactical gameplay smoke is great of course you have to use it right I'm use to move in smoke but some ppl don't

[gilded wraith]

They finish a started volley, but they cannot adjust to stay on a target or start a new volley.

[umbral scaffold]

And in havoc team play is everything

[gilded wraith]

If you getting shot before smoke deploys, take one step to the side and you're now immune to gunners.

[umbral scaffold]

Is like you would say bubble sucks or is amature gameplay

[frank basin]

is true, when im mindless killing heretics, someone threw smoke i didn't pay attention i keep killing for it, but it make me feel aura safer not being shot at it.

took few second to recongize the smoke when i move out

only that when im not playing veteran

for psyker i am much awareing most than playing zealot and ogryn

[heavy rover]

and if you have a lasgun with Ghost, just shoot someone's head and you're immune

[umbral scaffold]

For the finale argument playing in havoc or any other demanding runs smoke can save the run just in that 1 tight situation and 2 other grenades won't help

[gilded wraith]

That's a pretty narrow circumstance that does nothing for your party.

[heavy rover]

yeah that's fair, I'm just a hardcore infantry lasgun enjoyer

dare I say it, I prefer the infantry las over the recon las

[balmy flume]

Everyone has preferences, its fine

it if works for the situation, it works

[gilded wraith]

I enjoyed ilas, but the power creeping is real.

[fringe quiver]

which mark of lasgun do you like?

[balmy flume]

I still prefere boltgun though...really handy in Havoc.
Not that my latest PUG Havocs are anything to write home about, mind you...

[heavy rover]

personally I like the mk iib the most

faster fire rate means you can have a longer overall uptime with Ghost or stack up Infernus much faster

and if you miss a shot, you can quickly make a follow-up shot

[dry cloak]

most people use mk7

[heavy rover]

yeah the mk7 also works if you want something with more punch

iirc the overall DPS between the mkiib and mk7 is pretty similar when looking at both weapons in a vacuum

[fringe quiver]

The low rate of fire for the other two is criminal design

[heavy rover]

yeah, it's so slow that I don't really see it being viable in havoc

[hollow ibex]

lasguns need a rework

when vet gets its rework

there's no reason why they shouldn't have suppression immunity

and mk2 is borderline unusable at max firerate. feels like you're shooting a gun while the player character has parkinsons

[dry cloak]

ilas's got powercrept

laspistols are in a good spot

vigil autos are good imo

[hollow ibex]

cries in 20% weakspot rate

[junior grail]

Whats a good ability to pair with SAP?

[hollow ibex]

if you want to max it out, ES

otherwise anything else

ES SAP is actually really fun

but i'd recommend still bringing a power sword or good melee

because ammo econ is very mid at best

[junior grail]

Speaking of powersword, is the mk 3 worth? I used to run Pcycler and Sunder on it

[slow spade]

one day Kantreal ilas will be good again ;c

[slow spade]

its objectively weaker than the mk6

but its still a power sword

[hollow ibex]

it feels really bad to use

that's the main thing

[orchid hemlock]

Mk3 is better heavies and doesn't slow you down when you power it up.

But lights are just objectively better for most situations with the PS, which is why the MK6 is better 😔

Even in single target scenarios, MK6 has a better push attack

[slow spade]

Mk3 just legit has worse stats too as the Mk6 as a built-in -25% block cost

[fervent quest]

3 burst, 2 burst, or semi?

[junior grail]

I wonder what could buff mk3 psword to be competitive

[slow spade]

dual power swords

ez fix

[fervent quest]

Give it the relic blade mechanic

[dry cloak]

all 3 of them

[hollow ibex]

apparently it doesn't

[hollow ibex]

replying to this

[slow spade]

it should

[hollow ibex]

i thought mk6 had decreased block cost

but path was testing, and seems like it doesn't

[slow spade]

they never mentioned that change

[hollow ibex]

i mean mk6 is objectively better anyway

[slow spade]

so I assume funny Fatshark moment

[hollow ibex]

the fact that you can't BC mk3 charge makes it feel so fucking bad in melee

[slow spade]

yeah slow charge + needs to heavy attack for horde clear is whew

[orchid hemlock]

Why don't u want to use the MK6? 🤔

[slow spade]

to be fair, the horizontal H1 on the Mk3 is pretty fun

just 1 sweep and the screen is clear again :D

[hollow ibex]

i just wished PS got the relic blade treatment

prob with a shorter charge length, but faster recharge

something like that

[fervent quest]

BM or Slaughterer for Power Sword?

[slow spade]

Brutal Momentum + Power Cycler

[lusty ether]

the heavy laspistol :D

👈 👈

[orchid hemlock]

Slaughter is bad on PS, you take either BM or Sund with PC

[slow spade]

to be fair, its more that PS is spoiled for choice

all those great blessings and its hard locked to 1 due to power cycler 😔

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah but does PS really benefit that much from strength ?

I assume it's more of a finesse weapon

[slow spade]

before people figured out Brutal Momentum was busted as fuck

it used to be Power Cycler + Slaughterer

I doubt that's changed considered Mk6 is mostly light attacks and its not like Strength is a bad stat to have considering you just need to "kill things" to stack slaughterer

[gilded wraith]

Slaughter still has a niche use with grenade spam... but I'd still go PC/BM.

[tall torrent]

they have the same block cost

VI has 75% sprint cost

[slow spade]

it used to be block cost. idk when it changed but I'll update my knowledge now c:

[tall torrent]

not sure if it ever was

[slow spade]

around when the Mk6 got reworked, it was mentioned to have a lower block cost to combo with its ability to block when charging

[tall torrent]

may have just been a miscommunication

because the 0.75/s sprint cost has been the same and that is 25% lower than III

[slow spade]

such is life

at least its something you'd do a lot compared to blocking

[gilded wraith]

What's your view on Executer? Too hard to maintain? I'm curious why uncanny/executer doesn't show up on more grenade spam builds.

[tall torrent]

best nade spam is uncanny + AoN on shovel

[gilded wraith]

I like that with the mk1. I also like opportunist/slaughterer on the chainaxe.

[hollow ibex]

that makes sense, no wonder it feels like the sprint's not bad

[hollow ibex]

that seems like a slap in the face for the III

considering the III is the one that has the charge while sprinting mechanic lol

someone at fatshart really hates the III

[gilded wraith]

Are there any mods that make it easy to dump stamina with the shovel?

[polar charm]

Laspistol anygood?

[tall torrent]

Yez

[unreal nova]

If you good at hedshots, very much so.

[tall torrent]

Not that great vs maniac and highly dependent on crit hits for unyielding

But strong vs flak

[polar charm]

Gonna try to level mastery to 20 with this.

[tall torrent]

switch to Mk II

[polar charm]

Cant before mastery 7.

But yeah will when I can.

[tall torrent]

as for perks & blessings

maniac
flak
dum dum
ghost

[polar charm]

I got 60% mobility one but need higher mastery to upgrade it.

[radiant compass]

I remember tinyangrycrab going over the power sword 6 almost 2 years ago and at least then it did have reduced block cost @tall torrent no idea if its still relevant as i dont use the ps but its in this vid about 8.20 into the video https://youtu.be/ggcSlbYWTn4?si=n9ZDC87ruR9B7YBX

[tall torrent]

yea, idk what exactly was going on

maybe a miscommunication on FS's end from the very start

cuz there was no official mention of power sword VI getting its block profile changed

[radiant compass]

I have no idea

[hollow ibex]

Oh yeah that's where I got the block cost info from too

[radiant compass]

So it wasnt true even then or its changed since? I wouldnt know as i never use them

[hollow ibex]

no clue, path only tested recently

it might've been stealth changed

[radiant compass]

Yeah 100% complete patch notes would help

[slow spade]

yeah idk when it was changed

the block cost thing was like 2ish years?

back when it got reworked

[slow sky]

crab mentioned
glory to the devils claw

[frank ether]

good times

[manic moon]

Btw any plans to change hellbores?

At least remove the stupidly long switch animation

[pseudo fiber]

Nothing right now I don't believe

[hollow ibex]

In 2027 when vet gets its rework

[orchid hemlock]

Just take the talent node that decreases swap speed

But the issue with Hellebore isn't the gun itself, it's just that "snipers" in this game are really hard to make work, when 90% of the enemies are in 10 meters of you

[sharp epoch]

buff until they work 😃 👍

[gleaming mica]

The marked for death penance on the veteran class says hit 4 times with secondary action but the achievement just says four times, do i need a gun with a secondary attack or just shoot something in the head four times?

[tame lodge]

Headshots while aiming down sights

[normal bay]

Without missing, using volley fire/exe stance

[barren nimbus]

Whats the difference between the two knives

And do you guys like the bleed on it? I feel like it was kinda mid

[tame lodge]

You should avoid bleed blessings yeah

Consider the mk3 very single target oriented

And the 6 with a mix of single target and eh horde clearing

[split grove]

Is there a sample plasma build i can copy

[hollow ibex]

bleed is great, but you need weapon specialist and serrated blade

[red robin]

Y weapon specialist?

[split grove]

Is there a combat blade plasma build

Cos combat blade eats a lot of points im wondering if i can even pair it with plasma

[hollow ibex]

for the attack speed bonus

[barren nimbus]

my finger hurts after one combat blade run

[loud belfry]

I get some arthritic pains but never noticed anything spam clicking with taxe or knife. could try the mod that let's you auto attack

[hollow ibex]

yeah i wouldn't be playing it without the keep swinging mod

combat blade without it is just begging for carpal tunnel

honestly this shit should be built into the game already

[split grove]

Mk6 has a lot of charging the heaviest doesnt it?

I dont find a lot of carpal tunnel issues with mk6

[hollow ibex]

even mk6 strained my fingers lol

but i'm old

[hollow ibex]

esp the push attacks

[split grove]

Whats ur goto combos on mk6 btw

Push attack h2 spam for wave clear?

[tall torrent]

III is simpler
VI is better

[hollow ibex]

yeah or l1 h2 for hordes

[split grove]

Oh l1 h2 is easier actually

I can loop it

Single target is push attack spam?

[hollow ibex]

yes

[split grove]

Idk if anyone does the punch stab thing

[umbral scaffold]

Pretty new to the discord. Do peeps post builds in here or just gen chat veteran?

[hollow ibex]

yeah builds are posted here too

[barren nimbus]

What chainaxe blessings do you guys like

[fading yarrow]

Absolutely crazy that some segments of the Mortis music are just techno remixes of Sefoni's moans

[tame lodge]

Yeah

There's this one moan that's crazy work I'll tell you that

[void dragon]

Mind someone telling me what archetype of builds the veteran has?
There is plasma/boltgun, both with focus target and weapon specialist; lasgun gunner with high ammo count, Bistol/revolver/2b shotgun melee focused;the Helbore sniper with nades and stuff like the Hsword to make room.
What other builds are out there?

[hollow ibex]

there's a lot

[unreal nova]

Is better on controller but still, not by much.

[fading yarrow]

Clearly this is a prelude to the inevitable romance update

[loud belfry]

darktide romance visual novel soon??

[void dragon]

When we will get the Hadron love arc?

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c4013c8-2411-40b7-b11b-d7dca0c52b62/healing-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e0a3f5e-1fd1-4eb4-85ac-996f01651ac7/brace-for-impact?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/gadriel-space-marine-2-warhammer-space-marine-warhammer-40000-gif-336276864448769752

[orchid hemlock]

[unreal nova]

Sus.

[void dragon]

I fail to understand how the medic build is a medic, particularly with no field improvisation for corruption healing medipack, that feels more like a commissar inspiring it's army by toughness Regen

[void dragon]

You know you want to know!

[orchid hemlock]

I put 8 quotation marks for nothing 😔

[tame lodge]

Close as we get to healing

[void dragon]

I asked for a legit answer mate, my dis is my way to tell you that I'm being serious and will take answers as serious

(it was fun tho, but both builds almost look like the same thing!)

[void dragon]

*pulls bull butcher

[unreal nova]

I know you offered to carry me through auric maels on Tuesday.

[fading yarrow]

Fatshark - CDPR collab for the cutscenes

[void dragon]

On a Tuesday

[orchid hemlock]

Grendyl is actually Johnny Silverhand

[void dragon]

(still not clear what year)

[unreal nova]

This. I'm not forgetting till 1 mil dockets of auric maels go by.

[void dragon]

The good part is that is quite likely that with all that dockets I can probably maybe get a ripper gun that is <= 66 ammo

[unreal nova]

Don't make me increase it till I get a ripper with 66 ammo.

It was your fault.

[orchid hemlock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1319016150822031491/894568981946576916.gif

[tame lodge]

Time to party likes it's twenty thousand and twenty three

[orchid hemlock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

I love this sticker soo much

Like wtf is happening

[unreal nova]

He messed up in Oggy like 2 days ago. Still owes me 1 mil~ dockets for it.

[orchid hemlock]

Who?

[void dragon]

Until YOU TOO get a perfect ripper gun?!! Now that's eternal duty

I mixed ripper and rumbler and she now's have a lasgun on my head, send help

[unreal nova]

Look, pinning it at 1 mil is reasonable enough.

[void dragon]

Actually maybe yeah

[unreal nova]

You mean Bistol.

[void dragon]

Nope, you asked for stats for a rumbler and I gave you the ones for a ripper, there was no Bistol involved

[unreal nova]

No lasgun either. But I'm aiming a Bistol at you now.

[void dragon]

Really? I was too scared of looking so I was not sure

[unreal nova]

In vet mains, yes. Unless you rather a plasma shot since I don't use it for anything else.

[void dragon]

Exclusive treatment for silly billy me?
Let's do it!

A charged shot please

[unreal nova]

What is with oggy mains and eating kraks and wanting to be shot at?

[void dragon]

Is not that I LIKE being shot at, is just that it feels like an honour to be shot by a gun not used against any other foe, makes me feel more menacing (and kraks are tasty spicy)

[unreal nova]

Is because I rolled it because. I don't even like using plasma tbh. Also, kraks are not snacks. Stop trying to eat the ammo crate!

[void dragon]

i get ya, i have so many theoricrafted builds for things i dont even like to use! (can i at least taste it a little? i promise to spit it to the nearest bulwark so its not wasted!)

[unreal nova]

More, I gambled out of boredom cos mortis was ded and I'm too lazy to solo. (Fien. Just eat them gawddamnit.)

[void dragon]

btw, are you playing now? might have some time for 2-3 rounds of games if you can/want (yippee!)

[stuck tree]

plasma gun...

[void dragon]

the pew-pew-pew-BOOM gun

[unreal nova]

I need to sleep. Heading out later to pick gf. But can't sleep.

So half eepy mode. I can play, but don't expect much.

[void dragon]

hopium is that your half self can play much better than the randos i find sometimes

[unreal nova]

Eh, It'll be like playing with 500ping. Can't be that bad, right?

[void dragon]

it can be worse...not that i would know, you need brainrot only a lagmancy weezard can give you

[unreal nova]

I get 380+ on US east at times.

[unreal nova]

Then eepyness adds like 100-200 ping on top.

[fading yarrow]

There's a lady in my head who won't stop moaning. Send help

[unreal nova]

Maybe you need some time off Mortis.

[void dragon]

sounds like a "you" problem

[unreal nova]

Anyway, I'm getting on. Sus Vox?

[void dragon]

i dont currently have a mic, but should not be much needed, i hardly speak at all

[unreal nova]

If you don't get it, it means Vox 69.

[wind warren]

I'd love one of veteran's lines

to be "HUMANITY WILL INHERET THE STARS

[barren nimbus]

I need them to release the other kasarkin outfit

[calm shard]

the one that got datamined during the beta?

or some other one

[barren nimbus]

The more heavily armoured one

its got a facemask

[calm shard]

can you post a pic of it

[barren nimbus]

I dont think theres any viable chestpieces to make a Tempestus Scion but that would probably be my most prefered

[split grove]

If i run knife what gun do i run

[hollow ibex]

knife synergizes well with double barrel

[split grove]

Oh i guess cos weapon spec?

What does double barrel do

I nvr tried one

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[hollow ibex]

it's basically a horde clear gun

and can deal with some elites

[split grove]

Oh thats nice

[hollow ibex]

and synergizes very well with weapon specialist

[split grove]

I hate the knife tax

[barren nimbus]

Whats the best helbore

[hollow ibex]

i prefer iv, but it's really up to you

if i take a helbore, i want it to be able to deal with carapace

so iv for me

bayonet is a fucking joke though

[knotty iron]

Any tips for getting the overwatch penance?

[calm shard]

IV is the best gun, V is an infantry lasgun with identity issues, IIIa is middle child

IIIa and V are kinda bad guns but they have good bayonets

IV is a good gun, but has a worthless bayonet

[tame lodge]

Don't take health damage
Keep toughness 100% or more at all times

[knotty iron]

That’s self explanatory. Was looking for like the best level to get it on, build, etc

[calm shard]

just use VoC and don't do stupid things

bout the best you can hope for

[barren nimbus]

If you have friends. the twins hm is the fastest. But a lot of people get it accidentally

I spent like 4 hours trying to get it then did it in 4 minutes on twins hm

[hollow ibex]

VOC, catch a breath, iron will

[knotty iron]

unfortunately I don’t have friends that play the game. I have all those

[barren nimbus]

Is the weak spot cleave worth it? Or which blessings do you like? I pre-put on surgical and infernus

[calm shard]

infernus is worthless on helbore

fires way too slow to stack it

Mk IV and IIIa use Surgical/Weight of Fire

Mk V uses Surgical/Armoursbane

IV uses Carapace/Unyielding,Flak, or Maniac for perks

IIIa uses Flak/Maniac, or Unyielding

And I think V uses just normal ol' Flak/Maniac

it might use unarmored too to make dreg gunners easier to one shot, but it's the only variant I haven't used much

[hollow ibex]

yes, but mainly because it applies to your melee weapon

it's not actually that useful on the gun itself

and only take it on the two faster ones

actually maybe only the fastest

[split grove]

Anyone got a cookie cutter plasma

I just wanna copy paste a build and try it out

What wep goes well with plasma

[tall torrent]

armored collar part clips with every headgear ever

[barren nimbus]

It looks too cool to not run

[tall torrent]

cadian light armor clips less (and has easier-to-fix issues)

I hope they stop doing these elevated collar designs cuz they just clip 24/7

[barren nimbus]

They’re realistic for something like a heavy armour carapace design

[tall torrent]

there also is tempestus scion armor in files, just not finished

[barren nimbus]

The helmets are the shittiest part for me. No face plates or full helmets

The scion helmet looks terrible because of the neck

[tall torrent]

nah it's fine

given FS's track record, neck guard prob would clip with every upper body cosmetic lol

[barren nimbus]

If they just retextured the neck to be black like its in a body suit it would look incredible

An inquisitor scion uniform would go so hard as well. You can already get pretty close

[split grove]

is the last point luxury?

or is it the ammo node

[limpid reef]

Anyone looking for an oyster for group?

Pysker

[split grove]

oyster?

[limpid reef]

Changes to oyster in my phone haha

[split grove]

SEA?

[unreal nova]

You need to train your phone 'AI' better.

[calm shard]

have you checked #vox-lfg-lexicanum #vox-lfg-nasa #vox-lfg-emea #vox-lfg-apac

maybe the guys in the looking for group channels are looking for a group y'know

[dreamy vortex]

Can someone send me their recon lasgun build

Wanna fuck around with it in mortis trials

[split grove]

is plasma a boss dps weapon?

or dont do it

[frank basin]

Nah, it's slow firing and limited heats, boltgun does better

plasma can use for smaller elite target like human-sized, as you can 1 shotting if you make correct build

[red star]

i understand why people dont like helbore

[frank basin]

the draw time is why

my friend like helbore also, i still use helbore

[split grove]

how about crushers and maulers

do i bother plasma those

bulwarks too

[frank basin]

maulers die little faster than crusher.

if you run crits blessing and strength blessing

it consider do better

[frank basin]

for bulwark it can go throught their shield

[wind grotto]

you can pierce the non carapace parts of maulers with it at least but generally no on crushers and bulwarks

[frank basin]

not charge attack

[random marten]

Is there any gun better than the plas gun? cause I feel like that gun peaks what its like to play veteran

[split grove]

i'm using glory hunter get hot cos havoc

[frank basin]

mmm

[split grove]

boltor for boss damage i'm guessing

[wind grotto]

the plasma is still probably the best gun vet has?

[frank basin]

well i think is nice

[split grove]

recon las gun is also really nice

[frank basin]

there's some nerd vet may believe is decent

say like 8 uncharge shot get 100% heat

when you have thermal resist at 70% something

getting thermal and charge rate 70% is a rare roll

[random marten]

Like idk you really feel the difference between a game using the plas gun and not using the plas gun

[frank basin]

the one risking blowing up does 500 or above dmg, and the other gun is risk-free not blowing up

tell ya what, I got plas loadout and vet nerd hated.

maybe

[random marten]

The explosion is bonus damage to myself and the enemies

[frank basin]

500 dmg flat

on ogryn (like crusher) get reduced

[random marten]

Worth it

[frank basin]

even armored elite like maulers

it deal small damage

unless you wanna slap 3 wound curious

and do the "Emperor-akba"

[random marten]

Plas bomber build?

[frank basin]

yeah

[random marten]

It's truly ingenious

[frank basin]

play on tox gas enviorment

500 iq

[unreal nova]

No, that's 68-69 thermal.

[frank basin]

so 9 shot like 80

[unreal nova]

Nope.

8 max, even at 80.

[frank basin]

hmmm

[unreal nova]

Why you don't go over 69.

[frank basin]

i don't remember my plas stat

[unreal nova]

68 is spicier if you are unwilling to quick vent.

But both will give 8 shots in a row uncharged.

[frank basin]

yeah then i guess 60 is 7 shot

[unreal nova]

Why if you can't afford to gamble, thermal dump.

[fair notch]

what perk increases damage to shields

[unreal nova]

None. Just attack faster with melee generally.

[fair notch]

k

[frank basin]

Boss itself are unyielding, not voidshield

Ogryn melee weapon does big damage hit on shield if I remember

For one weapon does heavy strike down

Pickaxe

3x melee damage over ranged so yeah is why

[gilded raft]

shields have a limited maximum amount of damage they take per swing, and they're their own target type. Lotsa rapid hits melt it better than single big hits (melee light attack spam is usually the move, regardless on what your higher dps combos would be)

the captain underneath will be flak/carapace in various combinations

[frank basin]

So they changed from unyielding to flak/carapace

Because I remember gamelatern wrote that long ago

[fair notch]

ok well thanks for the info.

[frank basin]

Yeah the “woe damage attenuation upon ye”

I hate that happen in warframe

[polar charm]

Rare roll?

[frank basin]

I think it’s normal

It’s rounding error

[polar charm]

Rounding error shotgun goes hard.

[polar charm]

Not much use for double shotgun in havoc, huh?

[grand perch]

never tried it myself, but i rejected some vets using double barrel shotgun with longshot and marksmans focus setup from my havocs

dunno what they were smoking

[unreal nova]

No. A bad item. One of the 80 is a 79.5, the 61 is 60.5. They both round down in a real game to 79 and 60.

[loud belfry]

rare but bad

[mellow bridge]

Did any veterans ever got the right side of the tree to work?

Whenever I tried it it always just turns out to be a shitty zealot

[undone sigil]

It's nice to have a "fuck off for a minute" button

I don't think the MS bonus matters much so I always slipped to bonus damage and bypassed

[mellow bridge]

I just liked the idea between constantly switching between ranged and meele

[undone sigil]

Las pistol and knife are my loadout. Though I'm sure DB could possibly be good too

Having lacerated on the knife and serrated on the perk makes it pretty nice for doing melee on vet for me

[dry cloak]

try devil claw

[marble yew]

I find the middle tree the best

[normal bay]

It's pretty common to use the Weapon Specialist keystone. Especially with plasma, bolt pistol, double barrel etc. it's vets best keystone

But stealth is a bit niche, mainly for objective olay honestly

Has it's uses, like giving yourself a chance to reposition or taking the chance to fire back at ranged enemies

[mellow bridge]

Yeah, it works great with double barrel

[unreal nova]

Any single shot and melee can work.

So if you are a grenadier pathing WS, Bistol+melee totally works.

[undone sigil]

Grenades are definitely nice. But I'm trying my luck with smokes for the time being. Still don't know how they actually work

Do they make enemies stop firing since they can't see you? Or do they just keep firing where they last saw you

[marble yew]

What do u think of this build? I use plasma/power sword

I kind of want ''target down'' focus target talent but i dont really see anything worth switching out for it

[trail raptor]

I am currently working on a shovel + plasmagun build with weapon specialist and VOC which I am loving. However what gun/weapons would be good for making a 2nd loadout to do the other grenade + active penances? smoke/stealth/target down/executioner stance

[crimson pebble]

the two perks newr the top going out randomly to the left are a bit odd and id rather take both survivalist and frag nades

[trail raptor]

Trying to see which other vet weapons I should be keeping an eye out for lol

[marble yew]

its longshot and 5% ranged damage, i feel those are pretty decent but maybe 🤔

and krak grenade really melts monsters, i havent played in a long while, has frags gotten buffed?

[normal bay]

I take kraks dependent on my ranged

Personally, I would take frags on plasma

[marble yew]

my feelings are that what would i need frags for, power sword cleaves down hordes pretty well

[normal bay]

The pack of 20 ragers

Emergency toughness regen

Buying time for teammates

[marble yew]

🤔

[normal bay]

Buffing the Ogryns damage reduction

[marble yew]

I havent seen that before but maybe its in high difficulty havoc

[normal bay]

You get rager packs on heresy

Bit rarer but they happen

[marble yew]

Oh but ive never seen more than like 5 or so usually

ill try it out on havoc and see if i like it

normally i just keep 3 krak to blast a monster to smithereens

[normal bay]

Kraks are also ass in higher havocs

Not sure where the crossover is in ranks but they just tickle enemies at some point lol

[unreal nova]

The latter assuming they started shooting already.

[undone sigil]

Good to know. Wonder if it's actually useful to use them then. Not like it's a psyker dome

[unreal nova]

It can be used like dome at home. Just don't stand there without moving.

You can throw it at the gunners to also throw them off.

[polar charm]

I'm gonna try some heretical stealth build.

With DB.

Gotta level it up so might as well.

Almost all masteries maxed.

[unreal nova]

Just do at least objectives.

[polar charm]

oFC

[trail raptor]

gonna have to settle on 60 thermal for now, too broke to try for best stats lol, I have 0 money now whoops

[polar charm]

60 thermal isnt bad.

A good budget choise.

[trail raptor]

yeah only been playing since mortis trials so I blew what little money I had, gonna just give up for now to make some cash haha

[sick tree]

Getting back into the game, gonna assume only viable builds will be DS/Plasma or PS/Bistol for high tier havoc?

[wind grotto]

recon lasgun also works

[tame lodge]

High Havoc?
Power Sword 6 is the better option

The other options also work

But PS6 pretty up there

[barren nimbus]

@tall torrent do you know how much each charge time equates to plasma gun fire rate? Like how much faster does the bis plasma gun shoot compared to charge time at 60%

[marble yew]

I just use ammo as a dump stat instead since ammo is easy to handle on the plasma tbh

[umbral scaffold]

Especially if you take the 25% more ammo

I can see how that would work

[barren nimbus]

If you do that your survivalist gets hit pretty hard. I think it takes like 3 procs to get a shot back instead of 2

[umbral scaffold]

I dont really enjoy plas gun tbh

[narrow frost]

I just dump damage

[umbral scaffold]

The delay for me

[narrow frost]

It already does insane damage

[barren nimbus]

The delay is pretty annoying

[marble yew]

i dont even use survivalist when i use plasma

i use fire team instead

[barren nimbus]

My current best plasma gun is backwards with 67% charge rate and 73% the other stat

[marble yew]

dont really have ammo issues in havocs, at least not very often

[barren nimbus]

I run survivalist more for my team

[marble yew]

fire team is very nice for team too

[umbral scaffold]

Vet shouldn't really be taking anything bigger then small ammo boxes unless using a ammo crate

I hate when your w a vet who takes all the ammo when he has white ammo

[barren nimbus]

5% damage is pretty meaningless. I don’t even think that would take a melee hit off killing a havoc 40 plague ogryn

Which has like 90k health

[marble yew]

ammo is hardly a challenge unless ur running a team with no psykers and a lot of people with ammo hungry weapons

[umbral scaffold]

Psykers are great for this tbh

Less strain on the economy

[barren nimbus]

Survivalist is super strong with the rumbler meta, makes rumbler a lot more comfy

[umbral scaffold]

Isn't the rumbler a ogryn weapon

Ohhh nvm

I get you

[stiff sparrow]

As my psyker, I carry the shock or fire staff. However, primarily use the sharp mushroom tip sword, but even more so, Smite.

[marble yew]

my main problem with survivalist is u gotta pick like 2 perk nodes or so that are pretty garbage if u pick it

5% reload speed and one of the other two perks before survivalist

[barren nimbus]

Yeah the damage one is a little easier to grab

[dry cloak]

Old survivalist on dog mission

Free ammo

[barren nimbus]

It’s annoying how strong the right side is with serrated edge AND 25% damage weapon swaps

[native robin]

Is that a sharp mushroom tip sword in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

[barren nimbus]

Two strong perks you’ll never use

[marble yew]

I think this is the strongest build i know of with plasma/sword (i changed krak with frag grenade)

[stiff sparrow]

Come closer and find out.

[tall torrent]

~8.5% faster