veteran-class

[tall torrent]

It wasn’t even good against scab melee only lol

[hybrid plover]

It wasn't good.

But it was fun.

And that's what mattered to me.

This just kills that build.

[faint beacon]

You know what is good against flak and carapace?

Knife, Rashad, and PS

[hybrid plover]

And I don't get why they went that route without actually buffing the actual ranged function of it.

Shovel too.

[tall torrent]

Shovel wasn’t changed if I recall correctly

It’s just been mid

[hybrid plover]

Oh I meant to Galeo.

Shovel's actually pretty good for carapace with uncanny.

[tall torrent]

Shovel is not as good as those for carapace

[hybrid plover]

Not as good, but getting the stagger on it for the skullcrusher stacks, it can work.

And Mk1 has a guaranteed stagger on them assuming you hit their head.

[umbral scaffold]

Had a "fun" run last time I've played I was testing not upgraded shredder(grey) then I did something else and decided to run some damnation but forgot to change my weapon. God bless I had knife and skilled enough to use it mainly a didint want to be a dick and DC but I stayed only because of melee centered build.

[hybrid plover]

One thing that I can say Shovel is actually bad at, is unyielding.

[narrow frost]

use push attack

[faint beacon]

Shovel is meh but it’s usable when compared to those three

[pseudo fiber]

I had a fist fight with a plague ogryn with my shovel
good times

[hybrid plover]

Just have to stagger them before you try and attack em.

You'll be fine.

...Until there's over 10 of them.

[faint beacon]

Which those 3 deal with easily

Cause Rashad has to heavy once to stagger a crusher

Knife is Knife

[hybrid plover]

just push attack spam and get your 16 stacks and you can just wait until that crusher dies lol

while going for the next to keep uncanny going

[hybrid plover]

I honestly love the shredder autopistol now.

[wild vortex]

Is it any good at all now

I had a dream of using it on WS Vet

[sharp epoch]

i just know havoc your running out of ammo with it

[hybrid plover]

if you're constantly using it yes

trick is to use it more as a way to keep your momentum for melee specialist

[sleek garden]

shovel poke crusher head then push drop shovel

this way you start skullcrusher right away

[hybrid plover]

you know the combo.

that is always the way with crushers if you're going mk1 shovel

and I personally feel that's better than the flip shovel

[arctic rampart]

best horde clear weapon for vet? is it power sword or rashad 😉 .... best horde clear weapon game?

is it space wizard purgy purgy or does ogryn have it beat now

[sharp epoch]

heavy sword is good for regular horde not mixed

[arctic rampart]

I don't want good, no heavy sword or shovel or catachan is best

just curious what people think is actually best

[sharp epoch]

best horde clear in the game would be purge still

[hybrid plover]

purgatus is in a league of its own

there's no real comparison.

flamer is the only thing that can even be somewhat close but it's not as flexible

[arctic rampart]

it kind of sucks that zealot flamer isn't even in the conversation even though they have ammo consideration

[sharp epoch]

flamer with unlimited ammo

[arctic rampart]

did they buff it? I thought it got trashed when they removed FoTF stacking onto it. havent run it on my zealot in forever

[hybrid plover]

tbf it can take out hordes faster. but it doesn't have as much staying power solely because of ammo consumption.

[arctic rampart]

and I cant remember the last time I saw a zealot with a flamer

[hybrid plover]

plus it doesn't have all of the wacky soulblaze nodes.

[sharp epoch]

ammo is so unbalanced, like it makes any gun/ranged build unplayable in havoc EXCEPT psyker

[hybrid plover]

which you really only need Perilous Combustion to make purgatus outright busted

I've always been of the opinion that the ammo debuffs just need to not be there.

[wild vortex]

At least we don't have piss hardened now

[hybrid plover]

Health and Toughness, okay whatever. Just don't get hit.

Ammo?

Why?

All that does is limit the actual quantity of viable options for players.

[sharp epoch]

true but theres healing if your gun doesnt hit the one tap breakpoints

[sharp epoch]

It basically makes every class melee centric except psyker, I hate it

unless you run recon with shocktrooper, which doesnt really do that good into havoc with all the armor running at you

[hybrid plover]

Especially since, either way you're chewing through ammo with the increase health pools and all of the new modifiers.

Pus infected isn't there.

[sharp epoch]

Yeah it's a weird balance decision tbh, like do they just want us to be in melee 75% of the time even for ranged classes except psyker

[hybrid plover]

That's why I said earlier. If you wanna use something like, the shredder, you have to basically pull it out to try and kill like one poxwalker to proc your WS.

[sharp epoch]

Is gunlugger ogryn, exe stance vet, gun psyker even meant to be viable

[hybrid plover]

And use it that way to max out your melee spec usage because trying to use it as a proper ranged weapon that you're consistently using just won't work.

[sharp epoch]

If you're using it like that DB would be a way better choice

[hybrid plover]

Or plasma lol

[sharp epoch]

Yup

Plasmas ammo efficiency is so ass though

a heavy pack of ammo gives like 36 ammo

on h40

[hybrid plover]

i mean

everything's ammo efficiency is ass

that's the problem

It's just a Havoc thing rather than the actual weapons

[pseudo fiber]

Tahts why I use laspistol

[sharp epoch]

My vet havoc build is just a worse zealot with a plasma gun, 80% of my damage is melee

and with 98 hp you just die instantly

[wise fossil]

Sweet mother of mercy I need to stop inspecting Havoc builds XD

this + recon VI & Mk 1 devil's claw

[tall torrent]

Take 1 health curio then

[umbral scaffold]

after 2 drinks of capitan morgan i think maybe better play Zealot today after 1 more My aim is good as new

Well i have some build experiment right now but it seems that type of weapon focus builds seems more reasonable after all its what you use most and what is fuckin sad translating skill tree is really poor and misleading maybe just for my language

[faint beacon]

That is a havoc build

[wise fossil]

It is a build that was used in Havoc, sure

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wo-joker-joaqu-gif-23924191

[wise fossil]

Probably would have made all those grenade talents better if he'd tossed a single grenade the whole match

[faint beacon]

Iron Will just

Not being chosen feels

Vile

Disgusting

[umbral scaffold]

ok guys check this out its and experiment just having fun

Bolter/knife

[signal cypress]

Be great if it wasnt so fucking far down the tree ngl

[raw needle]

so fucking far down the tree yet packed tightly with other must pick talents

[faint beacon]

Veteran Point tax moment

[signal cypress]

Oh boy I made a meta moron mad lol

[frank basin]

hey is marked for death penances work on hitting reaper 4 time using exe stance?

sound easier for 4 shot on head

[faint beacon]

Who?

[frank basin]

Marked for death penance?

you know that penance?

[raw needle]

pretty sure it does count on 1 enemy

i think i did it on bosses back in the day

with a full auto weapon and a beast of nurgle weakspot

[raw needle]

yeah just unload into a beast of nurgle's back

[raw needle]

o

[frank basin]

@raw needle

worse then

[frank basin]

am thinking alternatively is find reaper and get bigger they are and press f, aim, unload

[coarse wolf]

helbore lasgun, charge every shot

[frank basin]

my friend got it

thanks for advice

[ocean idol]

Damn, healing on greandes is so good in Mortis

[fading wagon]

Dump for helbore?

[pseudo fiber]

stability

[fading wagon]

Tyty

[placid portal]

How are the Vostroyan Helbor sights

[tame lodge]

Apparently good
I don't have them myself

[placid portal]

[tame lodge]

Here

[placid portal]

IAG irons

[faint beacon]

I've managed to make WS on Ogryn

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/plasma-darktide-gif-3239624628315971488

[tame lodge]

If you don't have a Kickback that get +ranged from hitting 3 targets with special and +melee from hitting targets with Ranged, then don't talk to me

(it's dogshit)

[pseudo fiber]

They fixed the stat switching bug didn't they lol

[faint beacon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e8f2c94-83c6-45a7-b8ef-05c3fdd82b60/ws-ogryn

I mean close but sadly no

@narrow frost Take a hit from the Gale crackpipe and try this shit out its fucking stupid LMAO

[tall torrent]

why stamina TDR

[faint beacon]

Originally had slam

Realized not worth it

probably should move it over

[pseudo fiber]

Fun fact they didn't model the back of the feathers

[faint beacon]

Honestly might do focused fighter instead

Seeing its more melee focused

[pseudo fiber]

why are my stat bars doing htat lol

[tall torrent]

get Beat Them Back for free +15%Mdmg for 5s on landing a melee weapon heavy atk

[faint beacon]

Wondering what to replace necessarily for BTB

[tall torrent]

stamina TDR lol

[frank basin]

need reload speed perk

[heavy rover]

first time playing after the update

damn, havoc got hands

got my ass handed to me and served a huge slice of humble pie

[sudden stirrup]

How do you guys play left tree Vet/Sharpshooter? I feel like Im pretty alright at ranged but melee is kinda dogwater and I crumple pretty quickly

[narrow frost]

bring a melee that can handle a horde fast, like Combat axe or Psword. then only shoot when no horde

and know where spawns are

so you know when you can shoot

[sudden stirrup]

Gotcha gotcha, I think the chainsword Ive been using isnt all that good for hordes atm

Its kinda lackluster at damage and cleave is small-ish

[narrow frost]

chainsword is the best horde clear is the horde is only infested

when it comes to any armor

it doesnt perform

[sudden stirrup]

You'd think it'd be okay with armor considering the shred special

[keen grotto]

yo aside from the chorus stealth nerf is are there other nerfs in the veteran as well??

[tame lodge]

No nerf only buff

Also not really stealth Nerf

Kek

But whatever right?
Ignore zeals stealth buff

[keen grotto]

i knew it was coming but fatshark pulling a fast one seem kinda sus to me

[unreal nova]

But Vet's buffs either misses the mark or half work, in sense. They are still better than before though.

[tame lodge]

All the budget went to oggy and siker changes

[unreal nova]

Dejected kid now.

[sleek garden]

are you using the blue or green chainsword

also it does the same amount of damage to flak armor whether you are doing lights or heavies

so like any weapon aim for the head

unless its a mauler

then aim for the chest

[sudden stirrup]

It originally was the heavier one that did more damage if you did heavy hits

I changed it over to the original one which does the same damage irregardless of light or heavy

[sleek garden]

This is the good one for vanguard

Idk if you're using it in havoc but I typically bring rampage and savage sweep/wrath

[atomic zephyr]

mrw i finish my first mortis trials run

[sleek garden]

it's not too hard

but it's all right

[atomic zephyr]

ah well, i suppose not everything has to be the ball crushing machine

[sleek garden]

they do get bonus health

and waves of trappers on level 10 can be surprising

[tame lodge]

Shooting 7k HP maulers with the Ogryn peashooter sucked

Glad I was running CRIT build

5 free bullets every crit

and charmed reload keeping the opening salvo equivalent up all the time

[unreal nova]

Or later. bloody dooks have so much hp.

[sleek garden]

When I played ogryn on it I just slammed rumbler shattering impact everywhere

I've mostly been playing veteran on it

[craggy goblet]

best weapons to use?

[trim steppe]

I've been using a shout plasma build, but decided to make a bolter exec stance build (for trials). Finished the build, loaded a game, and appear in game with a bolter shout build. Most stable game around lol

[paper palm]

need some help yall, leveling up my vet and and cant decide what melee to use. what do yall think? i definitely want whichever is the best cleave/hordeclear.

1-800 help a brother ❤️

[sudden stirrup]

I'm just using it in damnation Mortis Trials atm

Want to make the move to a normal mission eventually

[tame lodge]

Brutal Momentum Rashad Combat Axe/Power Sword 6

[hollow ibex]

prob PS, rashad needs melee talents that he likely doesn't have access to rn

[steep pier]

i am happy

they changed my favorite perk for my helbore build deadshot

the cost was reduced from 0.25 to 0.1

so the stamina drain on shot got changed for the better

[lost frigate]

sadly i took a break when they released krieg skin

would be cool to dress as krieg and play with helbore

[paper palm]

awesome tyty, ive seen alot of people with plasma gun too. is the move to use plasma on elites and big boys then sword for hordes?

[potent iris]

oi vets, which shovel mk is the best in your opinion and why? (subjectively correct answers only)

[lost frigate]

i love the one that special atk turn it into pointy end

so flexible normal mode for horde and special for elite

[crimson pebble]

the non fold

[lost frigate]

i think it is the third one in mark menu

forget the name tho

[narrow frost]

mk1, run deci and skullcrusher

no uncanny needed

rending is for the weak

[potent iris]

that's my fav but was wondering

[faint beacon]

I would like the foldables if they could be canceled by dodging like Chain revs can

but they're generally just weaker

way weaker

[red star]

i hope fatshark sees the thoughts about helbore

i love that gun too much to see it languish in the meta

i bought the "russain" skin for it and now i regret it :(

[hollow ibex]

i think the helbore actually benefited quite a bit from the catch a breath change

indirectly benefited i suppose

big fan of the CAB/kill zone changes in general

[red star]

ive seen a lot of criticism for helbore in its state rn

[grand perch]

I haven't

And I main it in havoc

[red star]

hm

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/addressing-the-developers-about-hellbore/106295

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/ld102snPUo

[dry cloak]

helbore is one of the weapons that need some know how to use

a lot of people shit on because they dont know how to use them

and some people just hate kriegers

[red star]

helbore is the only reason why i want to play veteren in any situation

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean it's very annoying to play, and not easy to play well

it def needs changes

in terms of actual power, i think it's ok

it's just QOL where it suffers

[dry cloak]

either make it charge automatically. or give it some cleave base line

[hollow ibex]

fix the draw speed

unfuck the bayonet on the mk4

and i think it's fine

[dry cloak]

imo helbore is a relict of an era where elites were in smaller amounts

[grand perch]

Yeah those are changes I can get behind

But if people stopped playing helbore because the stab bayonet isn't quite as ridiculous anymore, I don't know what to tell them

[red star]

i like the manual charge

but i read that its a pain on console

for me, the helbore just feels good to use, like most of the weapons in this game

[feral jetty]

OI SHOUTIES

runk 'opes yall are havin' a gud night

runk might 'ug you if you aren't >:(

[dry cloak]

runk check ogryn chat

[feral jetty]

wot appen in oggy chat

[grand perch]

Have some rations lad

[dry cloak]

video clips of bugged shit

[feral jetty]

thanks boss

[dry cloak]

imo all the weapons feel nice to use but some dont deliver performance wise

[red star]

yeah thats 100% the issue

[dry cloak]

i play combat shotties from time to time

i do well with them

[feral jetty]

runk no understand da clips, what runk lookin at?

[dry cloak]

max firerate ripper and gorg twin stubber

[feral jetty]

[red star]

im operating on that it feels rewarding to listen to the sound effects, the tactile reactions, etc.
you could have told me that helbore lasgun was the best weapon in the game and i would have believed you

[dry cloak]

because BLO base keystone is bugged and give bonus firetare with its tacks. upgrade for blo gives even more firerate per stack

[hollow ibex]

lmao

[dry cloak]

all rippers are clipped

check ogryn chat

[vernal trench]

got that meta team bro

[frank basin]

Meta this meta that

have you ever meta girl before?

[unreal nova]

Technically, yes.

[mossy monolith]

hey guys, do you think we have enough grimoires?

[grand perch]

Enough to be executed, yes

[mossy monolith]

they never said how many we can carry
only how many we need

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

[mossy monolith]

[frank basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[mossy monolith]

[balmy flume]

Does it give you negative HP so you become immortal but sick and rife with diseases?

[mossy monolith]

yes

i have been bless by nurgle

ugh, i mean
i hate nurgle, praise the emperor

[unreal nova]

Also, you do realise that uhhh... ||am Slaaneshi||, right?

[mossy monolith]

||freaky||
oh dear

[unreal nova]

Look, ||Farseers are hot||, you can't stop me.

[dry cloak]

Yes

[mossy monolith]

fr

[unreal nova]

See, you understand. ||Befriend aliens and have them be bedmates||. Is nice, you know.

[dry cloak]

Rouge traders approve of this message

[unreal nova]

I mean, my old TTRPG team be like Chaos Rogue Traders in the end.

[grand perch]

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favourite message in this chat

[kind scarab]

Sounds like some h e r e s y

[unreal nova]

Nu, play more Rogue Trader.

[kind scarab]

I have, friend and I did more yesterday

We took over some random fucked up planet called foulstone

And took over an industrial world that was fucked up

[native robin]

Hold on, you saying I can commit heretical acts with xenos in Rogue Trader? Just downloaded the game yesterday

[unreal nova]

Kinda, sorta. Her romance is less... intimate in that way but still, having an Eldar see you as an equal is something big.

But I more mean TTRPG.

Do note, don't ask me about male partners or male only romances, IDK.

[native robin]

Hmmm. I'm guessing you're gonna lose some party members with that decision.

[unreal nova]

Naw, unless you wanna sleep with the Dark Eldar murderhobo.

Well, I assume. male so no interest.

[native robin]

Ah for a second I was hoping it was female dark eldar murderhobo

My type of gal

[unreal nova]

Nope. male. Only ladies is a navigator (Male only so IDK), a sus (Not in that way, still) officer who will do things when you get to a point that embarrasses you (Both genders) and said outcast Eldar who isn't intimate due to She Who Thirsts related stuff(Also both genders).

[native robin]

Damn. Ok looks like I got some options

Guess I'll see where my playthrough takes me

[unreal nova]

Do note, if the DLCs added any more chars, I wouldn't know.

[native robin]

I just bought the base game for now

[unreal nova]

Ah, have fun.

[native robin]

Thanks

[kind scarab]

Fun fact

If you install the toybox mod (I have it there for bug fixing cause of constant desyncs and being able to fine-tune characters to our out of game TTRPG stats)

You can actually enable a setting that lets you romance anyone and everyone regardless of romance status

So straight, gay or already with someone

[unreal nova]

So, bed them all.

Like all the other romance everyone mods for so many other games.

[elder storm]

Unlimited romance

🥺

[balmy flume]

@unreal nova I am more impressed someone else remembers Eula lol

[kind scarab]

The psyker being filled with slaneesh knowledge, unlocks a psyker power: Greater polycule

[balmy flume]

And then, in typical 40k horror, everyone melts into a massive flesh blob.

[kind scarab]

That only happens when you cast that psyker spell on a group of enemies

It's a very flexible psyker power

[elder storm]

"flexible"

[unreal nova]

I don't play it(Genshin). But I do like her tbh. GF plays the game. I made her pull Eula. It was great. Ship Eula x Ei because.

[kind scarab]

Listen

My rogue trader has romanced no one

We just like seeing the horrible flirting

[dusty sluice]

Guhh

[elder storm]

doubt

[kind scarab]

I've only seen like, three options for flirting with

[balmy flume]

Unorthodox. But nice.

[kind scarab]

Fish lady navigator, Heinz ketchup psyker and Jae

And lets be honest, the first one would probably fry my brain, the second one is an asshat, and the third one I am undecided on

[elder storm]

Let me romance the inquisitor

[kind scarab]

Do it

Go for the ketchup

[unreal nova]

Is it though?

[balmy flume]

At risk of thread hijacking, I am now curious as to the point of commonality between Eula and Ei😅

[unreal nova]

Zealot gets away with it. But uhhh, use them with Furina and another more stable healer (Kokomi or so). Is funni.

Big BLONKS.

If you like high risks, take another another dmg buffer.

Well, if Furiri is C6, you don't need another healer.

[balmy flume]

interesting. Gotta try it at some point.

Right now I find Chlorinde/Furina/Yan Lan combo can do stupid amounts of damage

bur Yan Lan needs mat from that stupid ass Natlan boss...

[unreal nova]

Oh and Furina should be C2 if you want max uptime.

[unreal nova]

That one, IDK. The bosses are all boring to watch so GF spares me the grind. I only really just watch the story with her tbh.

[balmy flume]

Natland boss mechanic is...stupid. Grindingly stupid.

You spend 99% of time dodging attacks, then you MUST use Natlan mechanics to break some macguffin things in the shortest amount of time to make boss vulnerable

No Natlan character on team/they died before that? Get bent lol.

I would rather be forced to repeatedly play at Havoc 40, than fight the Natlan boss.

[unreal nova]

I see they are pushing you to pull whatshername? The archon.

She can do everything worse.

[balmy flume]

I mean, game gives you Kachina/Traveller/(soon) Ororon

But even then

The precise timing needed to break the shadow shield thing is just...

Obnoxious.

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but having the archon means you don't need to worry too much about the mechanics bs as much. Since she does EVERYTHIHG.

And IDK about timing, GF never showed me the bosses lul.

[pseudo fiber]

What if we made abyss not fun

[unreal nova]

I thought the final lvl was always BS unfun unless you have all chars at C6?

[pseudo fiber]

Nah you can 36 star abyss without C6 characters

[unreal nova]

To compensate for whatever the BS of the 'week' is?

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but that requires tryhard comps and loads of luck usually.

Or specific chars maxed out.

And if you aren't whaling, GL having all (important) chars maxed out.

[vernal trench]

Wtf r u even talkin about

[balmy flume]

Genshin lol.
Briefly hijacked, but yes, back to Vet.

[viscid sparrow]

is it a good idea to use Carapace and Maniac perks on a Thrust/Skullcrusher mk3 shovel?

I am wondering if I should swap either Carapace or Maniac to Flak...

also, I have come up with a somewhat weird build: a cowboy revolver Deadshot vet with VoC. (the weird part is from the usage of Deadshot)

[unreal nova]

Cara yes, if you just lacist against crushers.

[viscid sparrow]

just got votekicked by 2 zealots because I wasn't in the airlock checkpoint zone due to a trapper netting me and pulling me out of said zone

[unreal nova]

They too lazy to help.

[serene bough]

Has anyone tried the buffed devil claws

Are they decent now

[normal bay]

They feel so much better now

Comparable to Heavy sword but slightly less raw power. But you have the parry to make up for it

[junior needle]

What happened to the helbores to invoke the doomposting

[viscid sparrow]

nah, they were just very impatient about moving forward...

[pseudo fiber]

They increased the time between bayonet stabs

[viscid sparrow]

because one of the two zealots shouted into their mic something like "HURRY UP!"

[tame lodge]

Added 0.1 to the windup on stabs

Made it so bayos (and other weapons special) get affected by attack speed

[unreal nova]

So bad either way.

[junior needle]

So worse with no attack speed, better with

Intredasting

[tame lodge]

Yeah but not every Helbore build can afford Weapon Specialist

[unreal nova]

Point tax is real.

[vernal trench]

LMAO u should see my build

[unreal nova]

Path reeeeeeeeeeees at my build already.

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/chalmers-simpsons-may-i-see-it-talking-gif-11870196

[vernal trench]

Mine is worse

It goes an S shape

[unreal nova]

Whose?

[unreal nova]

Sounds like that penance build I had for smoke infil and focus.

Note to self, never try doing 3 penances at once.

[pseudo fiber]

Yours, anyone's.
I like silly builds every now and then

[unreal nova]

Mine is already in links somewhere.

Just find the frag ver.

[vernal trench]

Ive still never used smokes to this day

[unreal nova]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e21fbd7-c703-4fcf-845c-26b1540095b9/boomies-shredder-frags-edition

There's a krak ver, think in psyker.

[pseudo fiber]

Seems okay

No superiority complex will hurt good old bolt pistol though

[vernal trench]

What a mess

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e4a3d1f-9782-4719-b898-4456524bae84/havoc-40-duo-infiltratebolter

[unreal nova]

But I just horde clear.

If my team needs me to stab crushers, we have more issues.

Yes, with an s.

[pseudo fiber]

Issues I see

[unreal nova]

No, crushers.

1 vs 1 is fine.

1 vs 5 and what is my team bloody doing???

[normal bay]

Also doing horde clear...

[pseudo fiber]

Letting you handle it it seems

[viscid sparrow]

probably trying to horde clear, because none of them want to kill the crushers in melee..

damn, BearPhils beat me to it...

[unreal nova]

But what horde? They all bled to death after a twinned and extra frag went off.

[vernal trench]

I just tank the crusher overhead with my golden toughness

[unreal nova]

Like real. You run away from me.

[vernal trench]

[unreal nova]

7 shots crushers, 4 shots reapers.

I know.

[dapper ice]

Hey all, does anyone know the current best veteran weapons right now? I haven't played in like a year and have no idea what to look for

Last I played it was a Boltgun meta

[pseudo fiber]

Melee:
Power sword mk6
Dueling sword mk4
Rashad Combat axe
Ranged:
Plasma gun
Bolter
Bolt pistol
Revolver

[dapper ice]

Oooh, I see. I looked online and saw people praising the Plasma gun as "too op" but I wasn't sure how credible it was.

And is there a generally preferred melee weapon? I have the Power Sword mk3, so looks like i'll have to look for something new

[hollow ibex]

Use mk 6

[dapper ice]

https://i.imgur.com/e1MTq9P.png

Is this worth using then?

[raw needle]

this one is a bust

[tame lodge]

Wrath is not needed

[raw needle]

no bueno

[tame lodge]

And your stats aren't good yeah

[raw needle]

drop wrath and get either sunder or brutal momentum

idk what the best perks are on power sword tho

but stamina and specialist damage are universally bad

[dapper ice]

Oh I see, I remember hearing about "dump stats"

Is the dump stat mobility I assume?

[tame lodge]

On Power Sword
It's cleave TARGETS

Psword dodges are really eh
You kinda want that high mobility

[dapper ice]

Got it, i'm not looking to make a power sword specifically, just a good weapon in general while I get back into the game. Are the Rashad Axe or Dueling sword notably better?

[hollow ibex]

DS is broken / overpowered right now, and will teach you very bad habits

Rashad is very strong, but prob not as good as PS, if you can stand teh constant recharging that PS needs

[dapper ice]

I remember the power sword playstyle, it's fine for me. What makes the DS so strong?

[hollow ibex]

the horde clear is mid

but it's got the second best melee mobility in the game (only behind knife)

and has very powerful single target, just deletes all the big boys

mk4 specifically has very easy combos. lights for hordes, heavies for enemies

makes it braindead and super easy to use

[dapper ice]

Sounds like a decent trade-off for not being good at killing hordes?

[hollow ibex]

the horde clear is usable

but don't recommend it, because like i said, teaches bad habits, esp if you're new to the game

[dapper ice]

I wouldn't say i'm "new", just have been absent from the game for like a year

[hollow ibex]

and it's prob going to get nerfed at some point if fatshart can pull their head out of their ass

[dapper ice]

I think i'm just going to look for the first "good" roll weapon I can find of those that were mentioned to me, if it happens to be the DS so be it. What's the dump stat on the DS? Cleave Damage?

[tame lodge]

Mobility or Cleave Target

Cleave Target affects Unarmored and Infested on DS though

[trim badger]

Cleave damage yes

If you're running MK4

[tame lodge]

So you kinda lose some damage against hordes, which makes hordes even more meh

[hollow ibex]

don't say we didn't warn you

[dapper ice]

I get rolled in this game otherwise, I can barely do difficult 4 sometimes, so being a little strong is probably okay~

[trim badger]

You do have knife for that tho

[vernal trench]

Siroksy still need that 40

[dapper ice]

Is the plasma gun everything people say it to be? I saw someone saying it's "so strong nobody wants to play with me"

[hollow ibex]

yo, should be around this coming weekend if you are

[trim badger]

It's funny how DS being Bad for horde is actually good for a class like Zealot for example

More crits = more ult farm

[dapper ice]

That seems.. exaggerated

[hollow ibex]

it's strong, very boring

[dapper ice]

Oh geez

[hollow ibex]

not as good as it used to be, but def still a meta pick

[trim badger]

Yes if you're not playing havoc

Still Recon can get these levels of power and no one bats an eye smh

[tame lodge]

Imagine one hit kill 100 cleave machine that never needs to use charged shots

[dapper ice]

Y-you never even need to charge it?

[hollow ibex]

charging it is a dps loss and a waste ofa mmo

[dapper ice]

That does sound insane

I sort of fell in love with the bolter anyway so I don't think i'd use it, but I think it'd be fun to try in a power fantasy way just for a mission or two lmao

[tame lodge]

Oh and you can only blow up if you use a charged shot at critical heat

[dapper ice]

So a DS / Plasma gun vet is just god huh?

[hollow ibex]

you're better off using a rashad or PS if you want to use plasma

since DS and plasma are meant to deal with the same type of enemy

big bois

[dapper ice]

Ah I see

[hollow ibex]

rashad and PS have very good horde clear (and single target damage)

[raw needle]

you're actively putting yourself at a disadvantage by charging it

[hollow ibex]

but you'll need the horde clear, esp at higher difficulties

[dapper ice]

I really like the power sword playstyle anyway so that's kinda good to hear

[raw needle]

still better than what it used to be.......

[dapper ice]

Since the dump stat is very clearly charge time then, what are the ideal blessings for Plasma?

[raw needle]

nah

the uhh

dump is not really straightforward

cause there's a breakpoint that gives you more shots from 0% heat

@tired egret

69 thermal and 71 charge

[dapper ice]

Geez that seems insanely hard to roll

[raw needle]

i think the breakpoint is somewhere on 68 with decimals

yeah!!!

that's the fun of it

[pseudo fiber]

It is!

It's really hard.

[raw needle]

but it isnt really that big of a dealbreaker

[pseudo fiber]

It's like 1 of 2 nightmare rolls

[tame lodge]

Gets Hot and Rising Heat
I don't remember the alternative

[raw needle]

you dont need to roll that unlesss you have a lot of spare resources and are just bored

lol

[dapper ice]

Okay assuming i'm not fishing for a nightmare roll and just looking for a "decent" plasma gun.. is the dumpstat charge time?

[raw needle]

well both of those stats

everything else at 80

[pseudo fiber]

Isn't it focused cooling and gets hot?

If you want a decent ine yes

Or anything with thermal over 69 and charge rate whatever with the rest 80

[tame lodge]

I think it had blaze away

Focused BA ?

[dapper ice]

Quick google search does say Rising Heat and Gets Hot

[tame lodge]

So you'd get 11 shots instead of 8 with Focused BA

[raw needle]

pro tip

dont trust google

or reddit

or anything really unless there's active discussion involved

[hollow ibex]

#veteran-class message

[dapper ice]

Mmm, I kinda had a feeling

[hollow ibex]

plasma stuff needs to get pinned

[dapper ice]

So ideal blessings for Plas would be... focused and gets hot?

[hollow ibex]

depends on what you want to prioritize

[dapper ice]

Ahhh I seee

[tame lodge]

Oh optimized cooling
Not focused

Ah I see

[raw needle]

we need an off meta support shattering impact 0% dmg plasma build

[vernal trench]

Theres no way mister e wipes to a single plague ogryn again

Holy fuc

[hollow ibex]

well bolter already does that, in addition to doing a lot of damage

[vernal trench]

Insane gameplay

[dapper ice]

Final question! Since i'm a big fan of the bolter still, even though I want to try the Plas, what's the dump stat / ideal blessings to look for?

[hollow ibex]

the standard is puncture + pinning fire with flakiac

btw check the pins for the hammer of the emperor guide

covers most of your questions

it's a bit out of date (update soon tm), but most of it is still applicable since vet hasn't changed that much

[dapper ice]

Oooh, I did see that but I didn't know what it consisted of, i'll check it out

[hollow ibex]

100 pages of nerdy shit

[dapper ice]

That's exactly what i'm lookin for!

Oh I appreciate all the help, thanks a bunch!

[pseudo fiber]

Have fun gamer

[queen fox]

Vet has the best guide in darktide too

[hollow ibex]

vet may be the fourth strongest class in DT, but it has the best guide

[red robin]

dump stat on las pistol?

[sharp epoch]

but ogernomicon

[hollow ibex]

Hammer of the Emperor is better because the PDF has a table of contents

[sinful swallow]

How do you rank vet at lowest

[vernal trench]

It is

[sinful swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/no-giga-chad-no-gif-21613582

[faint beacon]

It’s a Top 4 class

[pseudo fiber]

Vet is the lowest but it's not by a large enough margin (like how old Ogryn could struggle in havoc) to be too concerned

There's always going to be a worst. That's how it is. But if we have a meta where that doesn't matter we're fine

[orchid hemlock]

Nah, top 10

[barren nimbus]

Vets pretty good still but probably a little too hard to play in havoc

[pseudo fiber]

It's not hard to play they just don't really have a needed niche right now

Ammo regen isn't super valuable given inferno is busted

[faint beacon]

Personally I don’t think Vet needs a complete rework but the Tree does need some crunching and touch ups on less used talents

That and obviously MMF being reworked

[pseudo fiber]

Flamer is ammo efficient enough and ogryn is a melee monster

[sinful swallow]

What

[pseudo fiber]

This was true before the ogryn rework high havoc meta consisted of 2 zealots 2 psykers because relic stagger is super valuable

[tall torrent]

yea, least number of ways to be top tier

[faint beacon]

Mainly cause of the sheer volume and death that was shooter spam

But Fading Light was reworked

[sinful swallow]

His good builds completely trivialize the game

[pseudo fiber]

But you can still bring Vet and be fine you won't feel rejected like how Ogryn was not at all

Even if Ogryn rejection was more of a victim of a trend rather than ogryn being bad in havoc.
Because they weren't.

[sinful swallow]

I agree his tree needs work because there's only like 31 nodes worth taking and shout + shredder is the only path he has

[junior grail]

Would Krak be OP if Vet had 3 at base?

[barren nimbus]

I feel like ogryn at this point is just a far better vet in havoc

[sinful swallow]

It would be less bad with his grenade synergies but Krak as they function now is redundant

[faint beacon]

Yes

Grenade tinkerer

[barren nimbus]

especially with rumbler one shotting the largest threats, reapers

[sinful swallow]

Krak could swap places with smoke and it'd only be used because you happen to have it in melee vet build going infiltrate

[raw needle]

your teammates would kill 3 crushers instead of 2 before you run out of kraks

[stuck gorge]

I love throwing a krak and my entire team gravitates to that enemy immediately

[raw needle]

until they fix or nerf uncanny kraks will be extremely niche

[sinful swallow]

Hmmm maybe as a class overall I could see the argument that he's lower than everyone else but his plasma ds/knife voc shredder spam is definitely one of the best builds period

[barren nimbus]

I wish the non plasma guns were more valuable

[sinful swallow]

As an avid vig auto fanboy I agree

[barren nimbus]

The bolt pistol takes like 4 fucking shots to kill a gunner

[raw needle]

they are, the issue is semi auto guns that dont fit in the new meta

[hollow ibex]

Plasma 🤮

[raw needle]

pre patch 13 had everyone run kantrael xii

[wind grotto]

I don't think I agree, the invisibility and non frag grenades need to just be changed, and vet has so many issues with the tree having dogshit abilities in it, although they could fix that like they did with the latest patch by just changing them. The tree also feels like the worst one to go down space wise

unironically I think the thing they cut with the key abilities being like plasma buffs or bolter buffs or etc whatever they were sounds far more interesting than what we have now also

[red robin]

i wish marksmen focus was more dynamic like the other keystones

vet suffers alot of clunk

[wind grotto]

I do not think highly of any of them, focus target is fine but incredibly boring and should just be a thing vet does anyway, and WS is the one you take if you want melee to feel okay on vet

[red robin]

yeah

[wind grotto]

but absolutely just remove kraks and smokes, or at least change them to do something far better

[red robin]

I wish there was more reward for being anti-elite or specialist

[sinful swallow]

Smokes just need to actually work properly ALL the time

[red robin]

other than common courtesy and regardless expectation to do so

[raw needle]

kraks problem is that shredders w/ uncanny exist

[wind grotto]

smokes need to do more than just block los, and I like using them to be clear

[raw needle]

and maybe a long fuse time

[wind grotto]

it's absolutely just the fuse time

[red robin]

there's my fav bit of veteran is picking off every annoying enemy

[wind grotto]

well even then they'd kind of suck

theres no real reason to take the basically no aoe kraks even if they made them impact and gave you 3 base

like oh boy you killed 3 crushers or bulwarks, 5 more right behind those though

[sinful swallow]

If Krak was base 3, explode on impact, and not need an equip (comes out like throwing knife) would you guys use it

[red robin]

also i just want skirmisher to be usable

[raw needle]

would you take a grenade that can kill an infinite amount of elites or a nade that can kill 1 or 2 on a good day

good question

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[sinful swallow]

Lmfao brain wave

[red robin]

that stacking time is the only issue with it

[raw needle]

not if uncanny was still ingame and worked on projectiles

[hollow ibex]

Smoke should be an impact grenade too

[wind grotto]

smoke should be impact, that'd help

[teal marten]

Hello fellow veterans

[pseudo fiber]

Hello

[wind grotto]

but it should also give a buff for standing in it, while also being a lot less visually intrusive

because as is it's like okay to take to havoc and fun to fuck around with otherwise, but absolutely just worse than a frag and the magical power of walking around a corner

[raw needle]

also just make infiltrate work like ranger vet

[wind grotto]

just remove infiltrate imo

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah that could work

[wind grotto]

think of something more interesting

[sinful swallow]

I like infiltrate:(

[raw needle]

everything darktide added is just a worse more annoying version of what was in vermintide

[sinful swallow]

Absolutely insane on Gloriana to 1 cycle the first event

[raw needle]

stealth wise at least

[red robin]

infiltrate is fun, but damn do I feel guilty taking low profille

[raw needle]

shade worked cause her kit rewarded you for going after elites

[sinful swallow]

Destroyer of pubs, ultimate funneler of coordinated teams

[raw needle]

shroudfield eh hh h hhhh mmm

you know

[wind grotto]

shade worked because vermintide had way less elites/etc on screen at once also

so killing one of 6 or whatever chaos warriors at most from a really nasty patrol was okay

[raw needle]

i'd argue that basegame really didnt

if we compare cata to say

maelstroms

not even mentioning deeds

cause then we have vanguard

which is basically civi

[wind grotto]

I don't remember cata being anywhere near as insane as maelstroms but it has been a long time

[raw needle]

a field day for shade

[sinful swallow]

Maelstroms have definitely been cranked up over time too

[raw needle]

you still have broken spawns and whole end events in darktide

remember havoc runs on archivum?

that map is literally empty

ascension riser end event barely spawns shit

so does mercantile sometimes

[wind grotto]

yeah i'm not counting the many months where darktide is just broken because the entire team is working on vermintide 3 or some shit instead of darktide

since vermintide 2 also had those issues for a long time on some patches

i'm just hoping if we ever get a new faction drop ala the beastmen in vt2 that they aren't as annoying as the beastmen were/are

[raw needle]

it still is

[pseudo fiber]

I really think it'd be hard to do that

[raw needle]

im listing current issues

[mossy monolith]

this is a pretty nice sword

i don't see whats wrong with it

[pseudo fiber]

Wrong dump stat I'm afraid

[mossy monolith]

what should be the lowest?
im using the onedrive to check

[raw needle]

last time i remember vermtinide having similar issues is when they added necro

and her skellies counted towards threat level

for like a month

[pseudo fiber]

Cleave targets

[mossy monolith]

lucky its only my first rando pull

[tall torrent]

lol not as much as the other classes

Psyker scales indefinitely with density

Ogryn casually gets x400+% melee damage

Zealot’s core kit trivializes the game more than veteran does

[faint beacon]

Until Death:

[stuck gorge]

zealot also has the silly too fanatical to die

[atomic void]

kid named shout

[faint beacon]

If we removed VOC all together

Veteran would be abysmal dog shit outside of Infiltrate

[stuck gorge]

VoC should give a buff other than toughness to allies

[queen fox]

Voc should give no buffs to anyone

And should only knockback

[atomic void]

chad exec stance vets where you at

[tall torrent]

Vet’s CDR is not as good as zealot’s

[sharp jackal]

Hello!

does Only in death does duty end lowers the radius as a whole, or only the rez' ability?

[stuck gorge]

As a whole

[hybrid plover]

Radius as a whole.

[tall torrent]

Whole

[hybrid plover]

It's bad.

[sharp jackal]

Is it worth taking then?

[hybrid plover]

Like very bad.

[stuck gorge]

no

[faint beacon]

No

[sharp jackal]

Ok

[faint beacon]

Never take it

[sharp jackal]

Thanks o/

[stuck gorge]

It’s better to just shout and revive instead of taking it

[sharp jackal]

I see

[stuck gorge]

You get the space from shouting regardless

[atomic void]

true but if a vet does his job (killing specialists) they'll get voc back fast no?

[hybrid plover]

Not only is regular shout just better.

[stuck gorge]

6 second per kill yea

[sharp jackal]

Felt bad too to me, but wanted to make sure I wasn't sleeping on something

[queen fox]

Only in death would still be mid if it didn't nerf voc

[hybrid plover]

But the very reason you'd use that node. You might end up getting someone killed with it anyway.

[faint beacon]

That’s if the Veteran is only focusing specials

In a high difficulty where there is easily 2-3x more elites in play

[tall torrent]

Do u prefer a standardized x33% CD talent that doesn’t depend on what the game spawns

Or an ability that could technically get u lower CD if the game exclusively spawns specific types of enemies

[hybrid plover]

I would know. It happens to me 90% of the time someone even bothers to revive me with it :^)

[tall torrent]

Be real

[atomic void]

invocation is obviously more busted im just saying vet can do crazy shit

just not as crazy

[tall torrent]

The specialist spawn cap is a lot lower than elite spawn cap

[tall torrent]

Yea, so it is not as good

[faint beacon]

Pretty sure it’s like what

8-12?

[tall torrent]

Saying “it can do crazy shit” is a null point

[atomic void]

fair enough ill concede that one

[tall torrent]

8 in damnation
12 in auric
18 in havoc

[hybrid plover]

Vets CDR is more situational, regardless of what it's capable of doing.

[faint beacon]

Explains a lot

[wanton dawn]

18 trappers upon ye !!

[stuck gorge]

each with perfectly timed nets so that you can’t dodge them all

[queen fox]

18 bursters, all .5 meters behind one another

[tall torrent]

Specialist has an innate spawn allowance cap that’s lower than horde and elite enemies

[faint beacon]

I think it’s more so the fact, yes Veteran can in fact do crazy shit but then compare it to the other classes crazy shit

[tall torrent]

Not to mention vet is more negatively impacted by the loss of breakpoints in havoc

[hybrid plover]

Especially with the garden modifier

Bleh

[atomic void]

im not gonna lie ive been watching CUHRAZY NEW HAVOC 40 RUNS!!! TM on yt and im starting to agree with the nerf CDR gang
dont nuke it but like, all these games are literally unga bunga enough while golden toughness/bubble/chorus/ect are up then unga bunga until u get them back then unga bunga until u spam them

they are trying to go crazy with the diff cause a cordinated team can just spam abilites 24.7 lmao

[faint beacon]

Like yeah you’ll have to sit there and realize the dumbest shit Vet can do is just

Constantly upkeep Golden

We remove that

The fuck does Veteran exist for outside of Shredder spam

[tall torrent]

Garden is not as bad outside of purple captains

Orange fucks breakpoints more than other modifiers

But it’s not as big of a deal

[wind grotto]

I just hope we eventually get a real ass chaos wastes mode because havoc is the kind of difficult that I just don't find fun

[trim badger]

Honestly all cooldown talents should work like Invocation of Death

Still surprised this wasn't done for vet and psyker yet

[faint beacon]

IOD is the busted one

[wind grotto]

I could probably clear 40 if I try enough and try hard enough at that, but I just don't find the absolute slog and incredibly small pool of effective weapons to be fun

[tall torrent]

In the x?% CDR way? Or in the absurdly overturned way

[faint beacon]

Ogryns Bruiser isn’t

[stuck gorge]

rip my old free flat cooldown on crit

[hybrid plover]

IoD is the busted one

[faint beacon]

Insanely busted

[hybrid plover]

Like that would genuinely break the game.

[trim badger]

Yes right but only because the trigger to activate it is easy af

[faint beacon]

But it’s damn strong

[trim badger]

The point is that

The instant 4s was even more stupid

[hybrid plover]

Oh wait

[atomic void]

i love invoc with fotf cause fotf is only gonna affect a single target and give u attack speed so u do wanna be spamming it
invoc with book is just comical tho

[hybrid plover]

I think i get what you're saying.

[atomic void]

turn of game buttun

[trim badger]

I'd rather have this "faster cooldown rate per X seconds after doing something " rather than "instant time save"

[wind grotto]

yeah it was a lot stronger before on zealot when every crit in a massive swing would give you cdr

[trim badger]

^

[hybrid plover]

Yeah you know what. That wouldn't be such a bad idea.

[tall torrent]

This was my restructure design draft

[faint beacon]

“Stealth nerf” and then they just buffed the upgrade nodes to ludicrous amounts

It’s just Zealots refuse to use them

[trim badger]

Piocus cut throat is still busted as well

20% per backstab looool

[wind grotto]

damn my man wants iron will to be even further down the tree, I like that a lot more though

[atomic void]

this is for book?

i dont use it pls dont tell me they buffed book

[trim badger]

They just nerfed using book alone, which forces you to use one extra node now

To not lose effectiveness

[atomic void]

so even more point tax

on the most poin tax heavy tree

we live in a society

[calm shard]

tunnel vision behind camouflage on MF

I'm crying

[tall torrent]

Read the whole thing first

Y’all pick out isolated pockets of things and not think on the grand picture

[trim badger]

I do love that stockpile is a forced node

So good that the best solution is forcing it so no one complains about it being OP

[hybrid plover]

Stamina regen node being put up on the top there. I like that a lot actually.

Would make it a much less contentious pick.

[sharp epoch]

the stam reduction and 15% tdr is pretty busted there 😂

[hybrid plover]

That's part of why I hate Vets tree set up. So much competition on the bottom.

[faint beacon]

100 -> 75 golden

TDR 40% and Damage to 30% for respective upgrade nodes

They nerfed the golden

[tall torrent]

Why

[faint beacon]

But buffed the upgrades

[hybrid plover]

It's really not. That regen node should be a baseline upgrade you get early on.

[faint beacon]

If we look a Zealot and Ogryn

That shit Is pretty normal

[wind grotto]

yeah vet either needs that to be mandatory in the tree early or just change vet to have lower stam regen

[dry cloak]

ogryn is better

[hybrid plover]

Honestly. Vet having that point tax to begin with is stupid.

[faint beacon]

Psyker would really be the only one looking in envy

[hybrid plover]

While Psyker literally doesn't even need a stamina curio at baseline regen.

[wind grotto]

psyker can also just block things with peril bar as well

[sharp epoch]

I'm ok with current the current vet design to be that way, so we dont just become zealot but maybe there should be a way to spec to have more stam reduction on a certain tree

[hybrid plover]

Which is funny. Psyker having the lower regen would fit perfectly with that node.

[wind grotto]

if they want vet to stay at the stam regen that'd be fine if we get like the same level of damage buff ogryn got but to ranged

[hybrid plover]

And yet they have the fastest in the game somehow.

[calm shard]

Okay this may just be a me thing from having already played MF vet way too much, but I still don't think I would want to take camouflage on MF with your rework of it

[stuck gorge]

why does vet have the worst stam regen despite being, ya know, a soldier.

[sharp epoch]

The problem with vet rn is they want vet to be basically in melee most of the time with how ammo is and how weak exe stance is

[calm shard]

So camouflage being a tax node for Tunnel Vision to make myself tankier when killing ranged enemies is a bit irritating

[tall torrent]

It’s not a tax node

[trim badger]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e8bc1e3-fabd-4adc-b4ac-f58e0dd62548/support-zealot-havoc-40-20?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

I love OP supp Zealot

[wind grotto]

I think his rework would make camouflage great if you're not confident at hitting headshots every hit

[tall torrent]

You can take LRR to spend 3 points to get tunnel vision

[calm shard]

oh

[tall torrent]

The design for MF is maximum investment for maximum reward

[calm shard]

yeah and having 60% rending just for clicking heads seems pretty funny

[tall torrent]

I want u to dump points into it

[calm shard]

plus the rework makes MF basically unusable for recon lasgun

so it encourages more ranged weapon variety

[sharp epoch]

superiority complex not being so deep will make it a mandatory take on most builds

[atomic void]

of course it has THE PATHING TM

[tall torrent]

Hell yea

[trim badger]

Of course

[tall torrent]

But you would have to think about what u actually need

[calm shard]

Like it already is, but easier to get to

[trim badger]

What Zealot build would be real if it didn't have the Pathing™️

[calm shard]

Superiority Complex is something that nearly every vet build already takes. It's just a pain in the ass to get to so it's a strain on your points

[sharp epoch]

Nah I don't take it on mine its too far on the left

[atomic void]

WAIT
invoc and cutthroat at once lmfao

[trim badger]

That's the whole point

[atomic void]

actually peak

[trim badger]

Book every 15s or less

Backstab the first guy right after the last book pulse ends

[trim badger]

And it goes down by 12s

Instantly

[faint beacon]

No you don’t understand

[atomic void]

peak

[faint beacon]

Book is still bad

And then this shit happens

Lmao

[trim badger]

I think the main issue is how OP gold toughness is

[wind grotto]

people are just too hardwired to think something is bad because you aren't shooting/slashing while it's up

[trim badger]

If only the extra toughness didn't apply the toughness resistances from talents and nodes...

[wind grotto]

even if it does all the utterly insane shit book does

[trim badger]

It would be a lot more balanced

[wind grotto]

I don't think they can close the gold toughness pandoras box

[hybrid plover]

They can at least alleviate it.

[wind grotto]

no I really don't think they can

[hybrid plover]

Lower quantity. Lower amount of time that the golden toughness exists.

[trim badger]

pushes a plague ogryn off the edge thanks to all the book pulses
As You can see it's bad

[hybrid plover]

Even having one point alone significantly increases your survivability.

[calm shard]

you can't have one point book

it's always 2

[trim badger]

Ok so remove these interactions instead of reducing the time lol

Like, make it not block overheads

[sharp epoch]

You can still door glitch bosses meh

[trim badger]

Make bursters damage through it

[trim badger]

True but what's funnier?

Checmate...

And I ate the K

For the record

[sharp epoch]

I think pushing off bosses is fair too, its every 2 pushes so you have a smaller window than before

[wind grotto]

the day they nerf gold toughness would probably be the day that the game loses like 60% or more of the playerbase and never gets it back, even though I really wish they nerfed it shortly after introducing it, far too late now

[trim badger]

But yeah there is ways to nerf gold toughness without the need to nuke the mechanic

[hybrid plover]

That kinda nukes it. Ngl

[vernal trench]

The day they remove it is the day everyone realizes theyre really actually just bad at the game

[trim badger]

Extra toughness would still be invaluable against ranged enemies

[wind grotto]

I know i'm bad at the game and gold toughness is the only way like 90% or more of the playerbase can beat havoc

including me

[trim badger]

100% of havoc players would still pick VoC and Book even if these nerfs were active

[wind grotto]

because the game is designed around it

[faint beacon]

I’ve been using Exe Stance more and more and barely taking any damage 🚬

[vernal trench]

Yea everyone crutches hard on it and calls themselve the goat

[faint beacon]

Remove Golden toughness and let the masses writhe in pain

[vernal trench]

I wish

[wind grotto]

they should of forever ago

[tall torrent]

Yea u just happen to get barreled more often too

[faint beacon]

Kid named Inferno Psyker

[trim badger]

I think you guys are overreacting tbh

Gold toughness is OP but y'all acting as if it couldn't be nerfed just enough where it's good and not trash

[faint beacon]

Istfg every match is just indiscriminate psyker spraying and igniting stupid amounts of barrels

[vernal trench]

I want it to not exist

[sharp epoch]

on vet and psyker its almost unwinnable without it because one poxburster youre gone, a couple poxwalkers youre dead too. ogryn yeah hes eating 20 poxbursters

[vernal trench]

Weong reply

[vernal trench]

I want it to not exist

[tall torrent]

It’s very easy to nerf

[trim badger]

Why

[wind grotto]

no I don't think they can nerf it to be not op without losing the majority of the playerbase, they could do whatever they want and the game would still be fun to be clear

[tall torrent]

U nerf amount so low that any 1 hit breaks gold toughness status

[vernal trench]

Too overpowered

[trim badger]

No overhead saving
No TDR for that extra toughness

Literally newbies wouldn't notice

[vernal trench]

Or u can actually get downed through it

[tall torrent]

There’s a reason I chose 20 in my draft

[faint beacon]

Golden toughness being at 25 basically gives you 1 get out of jail hit

[wind grotto]

newbies would instantly notice the tdr I think

[tall torrent]

Can’t happen sorry
You’d be unnecessarily complicating code 10x more

[vernal trench]

Instead of it basically giving u immortal status

[wind grotto]

the overhead probably not though

but also I don't care about surviving overheads through it since the only time I get hit by overheads is when the 8th crusher in the pile of them that I can see no pixels of overheads me through the other 7

[hybrid plover]

The overhead saving is what separates golden toughness from actual toughness. You'd might as well just take more toughness nodes then.

[trim badger]

"you're asking fatshark to not be stupid at math"

I mean that is a valid reason ig

[vernal trench]

Snipers, bursters

Or anything

[wind grotto]

which is just part of the really bad fucking design on how crushers can swing at you honestly

[calm shard]

well yeah because the way gold toughness works right now is if you have even one singular point of it you cannot take health damage

[vernal trench]

Bad mechanic

[faint beacon]

If you get hit

By an overhead

[trim badger]

I'm aware yes

[faint beacon]

You deserve to go down

[calm shard]

so even if you only got 1 gold toughness from VoC/Chorus or whatever it would still let you facetank a crusher overhead with zero consequences

[vernal trench]

[trim badger]

Again, then just nerf that lol

[calm shard]

the way it's designed it has to be reworked or removed, both of which would effectively kill it

[trim badger]

I'd still use VoC even if it didn't save me from sniper/overhead/bursters

[hybrid plover]

Ah yes, people never get overheaded by crushers with the dead silence perk.

[trim badger]

Like it's not that complicated

[hybrid plover]

Or that one mauler in a scab horde that does that instant overhead when you can't see them.

Never happens.

Ever.

[hybrid plover]

Look I know the whole deal about not getting hit. I get that.

But this game is bullshit sometimes.

It'll happen.

If anything, that's part of why golden toughness is such a huge benefit.

[trim badger]

Which is why I'd like for gold toughness to be a good counter against ranged but not against stuff that should defenitely knock you out

[hybrid plover]

But then it feels much worse when you run into those situations where it does happen and you have no safety net for it.

That's kind of a fundamental problem with the game as a whole though.

[calm shard]

I mean yeah if you're in such a bad scenario that getting hit by an overhead is unavoidable you kinda deserve it

You shouldn't be able to have a get out of jail free card for any situation

If you fuck up you should die

[faint beacon]

Another Truth Nuke dropped

[hybrid plover]

Again. There are times where you even think that won't happen. And then out of nowhere.

Ninja crusher.

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/david-hasselhoff-true-truth-nuke-spongebob-movie-gif-10152461791604628524

[calm shard]

I have spent the majority of my 1000 hours on Darktide playing right tree Psyker

HP of a fly, no get out of jail free card

I can assure you ninja crushers are very very rare

[vernal trench]

[calm shard]

If you don't hear their footsteps. You can hear their distinct voices

[hybrid plover]

But they do happen.

[faint beacon]

Okay to be fair you have Empathic

So technically you do it’s just different enemies

[hybrid plover]

And that alone is a problem.

[faint beacon]

Crushers? No

You get nuked lmao

[calm shard]

I have genuinely only had a Crusher actually sneak up on me maybe twice ever

And my response was just to...pay closer attention to enemy spawns

And it hasn't happened again since

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but you never forget those moment

[calm shard]

Oh also you can ping enemies that's a good habit to get into

[faint beacon]

Darktide tip from someone who has 2k hours in the game

Sound whore

[calm shard]

Helps a lot with other people not getting snuck up on by crushers

[faint beacon]

Literally

Listen to everything

So you can discern what’s in play

[calm shard]

Yeah that's nice, but I also use the Danger Zone mod for the most chronic offender of not making any fucking sound

which is Poxbursters

[hybrid plover]

And what if there was no indication that it existed until the overhead was already going right over your skull?

This game has some genuine issues with sound prioritization.

[faint beacon]

Oh no I don’t use spidey sense

Never have

[calm shard]

I have the HP of a fly I'm probably already dodging, and if I'm not I've made a mistake in not noticing the 10 foot tall behemoth so I deserve to die

[faint beacon]

I only have danger zone cause of teammates igniting barrels or silent bursters

[wind grotto]

yeah silent crushers I probably only see like once every 80 hours but silent bursters is still very very common

and usually the silent crusher you're just going to see anyway

[tall torrent]

btw my new pc prob coming in 5~10 days

[faint beacon]

DARKTIDE AT

[wind grotto]

I don't use danger zone or spidey sense though

[faint beacon]

SLIGHTLY BETTER FPS

[hybrid plover]

I DUNNO BRO. For whatever reason, I've had so many crushers creep their way behind me lately.

Don't get me wrong.

[tall torrent]

150~200fps without FG
250~400fps with FG

[hybrid plover]

Majority of the time. I hear them.