veteran-class

[lost frigate]

u can be anti shooter horde by terrified blessing and using f skill that tagg shooter

about melee it depend if u got someone taking care of heavy for u, so u can use anti horde melee or if ur team cover the horde for u , u can use melee that good against big guy but power sword does wonder and always realiable

but personally i like small axe

[void dragon]

The Taxe you mean?

[lost frigate]

i forget the name

[void dragon]

Tactical axe

[lost frigate]

yeah

[void dragon]

What about ole reliable and near op knife?

[lost frigate]

with headshot ignore mass it quite decent against horde

i suck at knife

[unreal nova]

I mean, I run CaB.

Is good if you can god dodge melee hits.

Shooters become a joke outside of havoc.

[lost frigate]

or u just try the thing on field test and figure out what is missing which weakness should i cover, since changing perk and blessing isn't that hard anymore

may be my playstyle is differ than u

[void dragon]

The one thing that it has as drawbacks is that it is REALLY ammo hungry for the damage it does

[unreal nova]

It now wants weakspot hits.

[void dragon]

It's reload and sprint speed seems good

[unreal nova]

So funni point blank barrage.

[void dragon]

Classic shove-the-gun-on-the-heretic-faces a classic strategy

[lost frigate]

well u can play as shock troop stealth and equiped with terrified blessing up close and personal

when ur team getting suppress by horde of special behind trash mob

[void dragon]

Yeah, the gun really need something to make the combat roll so it can have a chance to assassinate someone with a rapid mag dump

[lost frigate]

sometimes i play stealth with hellebore, sniping out the serious treat sometimes i used it with autogun rifle. stealth and non treat talent after out of stealth give u lot of space

[umbral parrot]

Hmm....

does anyone have any good tips on HAVOC with Bolt Pistol? Or should i stick with my Plasma.

Mainly to snipe out Gunners.

[formal ice]

Shoot things

Isn't that simple?

[umbral parrot]

Nope, had it been that simple, i'd bring what ever gun i'd like.

Shotgun, Lawbringer. Coolest skin ever.

[formal ice]

But it is simple

What are you doing to make a pew pew gun complicated

[umbral parrot]

Trying to snipe off heads and too focused on melee. I need something fast, flashy, and hard hitting.

[formal ice]

Are you using bleed? The explosive bullet blessing?

[formal ice]

Get a sniper rifle

[umbral parrot]

I am buying the best Bolt Pistol atm.

WELL you see here, there's one issue.

[formal ice]

I can't see

[umbral parrot]

I bought a skin a few weeks back... i kinda want to use it to look cool too.

[formal ice]

Remove all your skins

Then use it

You won't feel guilty

[umbral parrot]

Yea but like, look at this.

Seriously tho, good Bolt Pistol for WP?

[formal ice]

This looks like a uga bunga skin

[lost frigate]

alt atk then shoot to the face feel so good

[umbral parrot]

Weapon Specialist*

[lost frigate]

u mean the right talent?

[umbral parrot]

Yea. So, it's all going hard on crits too.

[formal ice]

Use a sniper autogun

[umbral parrot]

It has to be snappy too~

[lost frigate]

i never play havoc so i cant suggest but snipe headshot with crosshair do wonder. just keep using it.

[umbral parrot]

Sniper Autogun huh? Tempting. I don't see people try it out tho.

[lost frigate]

like a laspistol

[dusty bluff]

Are you hard weapon swapping or casually weapon swapping? You mostly ADSing or Hip-Firing?

[formal ice]

Stop speaking veteran code language

[lost frigate]

traxis..

[umbral parrot]

Well, i'm a plasma gun user. It's all hip shooting.

But i want to use Bolt Pistol.

[formal ice]

Traxis-12?!

[lost frigate]

traxis something something with net

[umbral parrot]

Since no one is really helping atm, i'd try this out.

[dusty bluff]

Cant go wrong with puncture and lethal proximity/deadly accurate.

If you're mostly hip-firing

[lost frigate]

bleeding blessing can do wonder tho

[formal ice]

This implies that somewhere theres a Trapper with another weapon that isn't a net

[umbral parrot]

Stagger is any good? I may go with bleed.

[dusty bluff]

[lost frigate]

and shooting point blank more explosive can be good at creating space if u got teamate that good as sniping far away enemy

or more crit after melee kill can work wonder

[dusty bluff]

stagger is good. It's why I run lethal, so if I miss a shot and hit something next to them, they still get staggered.

[unreal nova]

You gotta ADS with it. And by ADS, I mean ADS, shoot, unADS, ADS, shoot, unADS.

[dusty bluff]

Or hip-fire if you're confident.

[umbral parrot]

Trying that out atm.

[dusty bluff]

Either way, gotta use both methods to get the best result.

Like the Zarona.

[inland orchid]

Try the sideways shooting after you smack a heretic with special action

Extra cool points

[dusty bluff]

Even cooler if you use special action and immediately shoot right after.

[unreal nova]

This is melee shooting. I was talking about shooting things futher away, lul.

[lost frigate]

yeah smack to the face and boom!

cool ah

[inland orchid]

Aw Kark, quick director summon a pox walker in front of me so it still works

[umbral parrot]

Yea....

I'll stick with Plasma. lol

[dusty bluff]

Have to manage that crosshair.

[umbral parrot]

Just because i can shoot more than 8 times.

Maybe... i'll do a HAVOC 30+ on this.

If i die, i'll just say #veteran-class sent me~ x3

[inland orchid]

If u want mag dumping levels of spray the regular bolter could work

[umbral parrot]

Oh no, i want to kill gunners.

[unreal nova]

Wot? Plasma is the same. you minmax and 8 shots before reload.

[umbral parrot]

Yea well, it makes me feel like i have more.

[dusty bluff]

Diff hit box tho.

[inland orchid]

Blue beam of death vs rocket propelled bullet

[umbral parrot]

Actually, speaking of hit boxes. Bolt Pistol broken?

[inland orchid]

Take your pick, eitherway the enemy will feel it in their 2nd life

[dusty bluff]

Gotta miss that bleed. One headshot and you look away, they just die.

[umbral parrot]

I'm shooting the head and it's going Flak.

[dusty bluff]

[umbral parrot]

Yea, it's a bit buggy. It's not accurate. lol

[unreal nova]

You need to ads, shoot, unads, ads again and shoot.

To reset it.

Otherwise the second shot goes wild.

[dusty bluff]

Same thing applies for hip-firing. Except its weapon swap.

[umbral parrot]

No, i mean, the first shot is is hitting the 'head' but it counts as a body shot.

They don't have Flak heads.

[unreal nova]

Don't trust the iron sights, it shoots below it.

[dusty bluff]

^ Especially when Iron Sights in DT is weird as hell

[umbral parrot]

Yep, you're right. WTF!?

[dusty bluff]

Like the Helbore

[umbral parrot]

How am i supposed to land accurate head shots with this? Oh no...

Alright... still going to try it out lol

With bleed too~

[unreal nova]

I mean, i only Bolt Pistol and Flamer, so IDK.

Well, rarely recon.

But we don't talk about that.

[umbral parrot]

I did land a head shot! Ahh man.

Kinda seems like a wonky weapon lol

[unreal nova]

It was fixed once already.

It's just a special lil thing that requires getting used to.

Or just use it to go 'nade happy, yesyes.

'nades'nades'nades.

[umbral parrot]

I use smokes.... :/

[unreal nova]

.-.

The main reason to use the Bistol is shredders.

It works with kraks as well, but not super.

[umbral parrot]

Oh, they work together?

[inland orchid]

Ya lethal proximity effects em

Made them WIIIIDE

[umbral parrot]

Lol that's awesome!

[unreal nova]

BEEG.

[umbral parrot]

Damn, back to plasma then.

[unreal nova]

BEEG FRAGS.

Also med kraks.

Cos normal krak radius is smol.

[umbral parrot]

Ye

Oh well, i'll shelf Bolt Pistol then.

Well, until i use the explosive shredder build~

[unreal nova]

Do eet.

Is fun.

Yesyes.

More so in Mortis.

Yesyesyes.

[inland orchid]

Never laughed so hard at a horde of ragers untill I showed them a bolt pistol boosted shredder

[tropic notch]

She’s tweaking out

[unreal nova]

Many boomies, also healy boomies.

[umbral parrot]

Mortis is lame tho! lol

[unreal nova]

BOOMIES, YESYESYES.

[umbral parrot]

And kills my FPS when Ogryns are around.

Box of nades are crazy.

[inland orchid]

To quote a buddy of mine who played with me during ogryn nade gaming

“I don’t care if my frames are dropping I’m having a great time”

Kept telling me not to feel bad for yeeting boxes everywhere

[unreal nova]

Vets just toss 4 'nades at once.

If you get lucky.

[inland orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/madagscar-penguins-kaboom-gif-9833865

[inland orchid]

Gooood, my grenader habits are being reinforced

Thank you fat shark

[unreal nova]

Always 'nadier.

ALWAYS.

[serene bough]

something is wrong with this psyker

[calm shard]

this buff to kill zone and catch a breath feels pretty great playing gun vet

[winter grove]

Wait you got mods working?

[void dragon]

so what weapons are better for non weapon specialist builds? aside from DS because duh and knife because its a logical option to make space for gun veterans
Edit: also, can i add how absurd is that knife has a +11% dodge distance? i dont think any other weapon reachs even near that numbers

[unreal nova]

Update your mods.

[winter grove]

No I thought DMF itself was the problem

I just gotta find the trouble child

[lost frigate]

which mod u guy recommend ?

i have zero exp using mod

[winter grove]

probably just numeric UI

[lost frigate]

Just return 3 days before this update

[unreal nova]

People use it fine though. But many QoL stuff still aren't updated.

[winter grove]

Holy shit I found the trouble child just now

Fucking weapon customization broke

[unreal nova]

Heh.

[winter grove]

wait but now it's working???

[sleek chasm]

does blocking a melee hit count as being hit for these new perks

[unreal nova]

Everything is a mess, maybe some weird conflict.

[winter grove]

Oh no darktide just didn't load it for some reason

I just checked mod page in bugs section

It's definitely it

[unreal nova]

Ah.

[winter grove]

Oh well just gotta suffer a bit from having uglier guns

[iron marten]

Ya

[winter grove]

Oh and hellbores having abhorrent irons

[calm shard]

already fixed on modding discord

[gilded wraith]

I don't think the mortis buff that has a 10% chance to return 3 grenades on grenade kill works with the shredder bleed, just the initial explosion.

[hybrid plover]

Have tried shredder pistol with WS regarding earlier.

[winter grove]

Oh damn, could you forward me the file?

[hybrid plover]

This is really fun.

[winter grove]

I mean from the discord

[winter grove]

Can't tell if that's a really good sarcasm or an actual statement

[winter grove]

Knowing it's shredder pistol

[winter grove]

tysm

[gilded wraith]

80% ranged damage for 5 seconds after a reload... could be fun with double barrel

[umbral parrot]

Which in specific? I got: animation_events
buy_until_rating
ChatBlock
CollectibleFinder
creature_spawner
InstantAbility
InventoryHider
loadout_config
more_characters_and_loadouts
NumericUI
scoreboard
show_crit_chance
true_level

[winter grove]

I thought DMF itself died so I was a bit confused

Turns out weapon customization was the trouble child

[umbral parrot]

I don't know, i just followed a Youtube tutorial.

[winter grove]

You don't have it so it worked

[umbral parrot]

I just like NumericUI

Very important when counting dodges

[hollow ibex]

it always is lol

[hybrid plover]

I'm dead serious.

[dreamy storm]

are there any known Vet crashs?

[winter grove]

Honestly that's cool

[hybrid plover]

Kinda ammo hungry. But the sole fact that you can sprint while firing means you can abuse suppression so much and that's amazing for a melee build.

And it just melts through anything with flesh like butter.

[hearty trout]

Ayyt I'm a big noob to the devil's claw. Sometimes I do a hella fast poke like a special attack from a duelling sword. Using the Mk6. What the hell is that? It's not in the attack chain that I'm aware of

Also what are the preferred devil's claw for vet? They all seem so similar to me

[tall torrent]

there's no mk6 DC sword

[tall torrent]

IV or VII

[hearty trout]

7 my b

[tall torrent]

VII might be the slightly better pick over IV now

but IV has simpler moveset

[hearty trout]

I'm loving the parry

[tall torrent]

they're not too dissimilar

[hearty trout]

Shit Chews through ragers and small mobs

But yeah I'm still trynna figure out this poke attack because it does solid damage

[tame lodge]

Big fan of 4 personally

[hearty trout]

I don't see any difference per day in damage, it seems like it's just switched heavy attack pattern and a bit different light

Tho I'm also a attack chain noob and have no fkn clue how things chain into one another

I wonder if there's a video that explains it all

[tall torrent]

For VII
Heavy1 -> Light 2 repeat for horde

Light1 -> Heavy 2 -> Light 3 repeat for single target

Parry’s attack chains into Light 3

[hearty trout]

Wait is light 3 the poke?

[tall torrent]

Light 3 is overhead

Poke is push attack

Light 1 is diagonal right to left

Light 2 is diagonal left to right

[hearty trout]

I'm a bit dumb right now

Push attack?

Is that on a perfect block/push?

[tall torrent]

Push attack as in

You push and hold mouse left click

[hearty trout]

Ay bruh

I didn't even know that was a thing

[tame lodge]

Well uh

That's a thing for a lot of weapons

Have fun testing them out

[coarse wolf]

all melee weapons have one

that being said i have no shame in pointing out that push attacking is a core game mechanic and genuinely do not understand how one doesn't know what it is

[frank ledge]

If only people used it more often

[hearty trout]

I just heavy attack everything and dodge everything

And if something's far it gets a revolver shot to the face

Like what scenario would the push attack be better than say a push into a heavy attack?

Unless it does some stagger that I'm missing

It is fast AF though

[tall torrent]

There’re some weapons where push atk nets better group stagger or deal very high single target damage

Examples would be like

Knife

Power sword

Crusher

Combat axe

[austere mica]

Tac axe

[narrow frost]

Picaxe

[hearty trout]

Hmmm only if the game told this

[tall torrent]

Tac axe

[narrow frost]

it does

[tall torrent]

It did

[austere mica]

Tac axe PA's are hilarious

[hearty trout]

Once

In the tutorial

But I mean the actual damage numbers

[junior grail]

They even suggested Advanced Tutorial

[narrow frost]

it says PA damage in inspect

does it not?

[tall torrent]

No

[narrow frost]

Okay

[tall torrent]

[frank ledge]

push attacks also make some horde clears safer

[hearty trout]

Imma assume that's how those zealots do cracked damage

[narrow frost]

imagine if it did

[hearty trout]

I probably forgot about it because the shovel push attack at trust lvl 1 was horrid

[junior grail]

Lore wise I imagine the Zealot pushing the enemy head to stab at the weak neck

[tame lodge]

People would know about Crushers weakspot shenanigans

[junior grail]

Basic shovel push attack kills Crushers faster than Flip Shovels

[hearty trout]

Interesting

I was a noob

First ever melee game I actually play

Shits fun af

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jXO2uJPoqLREsPTT9?invite=cr-MSxwVGcsMTA3NDAxNTcz

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jXO3NlUBnC-xGH8Mx?invite=cr-MSxDaUUsMTA3NDAxNTcz

I think I've hands down found one of the funniest ways to turn the game off as veteran in Mortis Trials

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/speedrun-glitches-gif-18023515

[faint beacon]

Knockback Majoris Augment propaganda

[slow sky]

gale

i found out

one of the mortis trial buffs for brain burst is stupid broken

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah I had someone do that with voltaic iirc

and it was just everything on the map being deleted

instantly

[slow sky]

brain bursting a burning target spreads the burn stacks of that target to everyone nearby
if its a kill, it applies 10 additional stacks regardless if they were burning or not

[faint beacon]

is it infinite with the stacks or is it the normal cap

[slow sky]

this can be paired with the 10 brain bursts nearby on BB kill

[faint beacon]

of 32

[slow sky]

normal cap

but look at this

[faint beacon]

I think the most disgusting thing I've made so far with Knockback

was Pyro + Knockback and Recon

cause it was just shredding the HP all the while stun locking the boss

[faint beacon]

So the explosion is the fire proccing

and then I assume the extra bursts

are a separate Majoris

cause thats fucking disgusting lmao

[slow sky]

it doesnt explode, just adds stacks with no visual

[faint beacon]

Oh

huh

Oh wait that was you using vent LMAO

[pale mango]

Just tried the Heavy Sword and Hellbore Las because of the Vostroyan skins... These have got to be the worst weapons in the game, I feel like they just do little damage for how slow they are.

[lofty gate]

Anyone have any advice on how to deal with the 2 Lieunants that show up in Havoc missions?

Stuck near Havoc 30 due to running issues with dispatching them too slowly

[narrow frost]

They are not, Hsword is probably one of the best mixed horde mulcher melee

Helbore is a bit janky compared to everyother ranged

[slow sky]

i brain burst the boss while hes at 31 stacks
thats spread to everyone nearby, and they die the next tick

[narrow frost]

its plays like a different game

[pale mango]

What set up to go for it then?

[narrow frost]

Deathblow, Head taker. Flak unarmoured (?) dont quote me on unarmored

[faint beacon]

Walking max burn set up

so fucking dumb LMAO

[narrow frost]

will check the perks

[faint beacon]

Flakiac for vet usually

[narrow frost]

Okay

[faint beacon]

Maniac allows for QOL 1 taps on mutants

[pale mango]

You know whaty MK you use? they all feel the same ATM

[narrow frost]

I build for melee so my talent tree is all the melee nodes

[faint beacon]

Flak + elite iirc is the other

[narrow frost]

9

[faint beacon]

I'll check

[narrow frost]

9 is shrimple

[tame lodge]

BB horde clear wasn't on my bingo

[narrow frost]

I personally use 6 most of the time

but 9 is shrimple

[faint beacon]

All of them are fun honestly

Yeah Flak + Maniac/Elite

thats the two you can choose between

[narrow frost]

heavy heavy horde clear, (you can start the combo early with 1 light)

heavy special repeat for armor/single target

(USE THE SPECIAL!!!)

[faint beacon]

Special + Heavy 1

repeat

Single Target combo real! (HS9)

[narrow frost]

REAL!!!!!!!!!!

[faint beacon]

Mutants hate this guy!

Learn how this one veteran one taps them every time

[slow sky]

with pyro its even more stupid
because you can get 70% more damage against burning targets and im pretty sure the burn is affected by that
and 90% more burn damage depending on how many people have it (not that itll last long but itll give a huge chunk of damage for anything tougher)
and 2% of the damage numbers restoring toughness basically instantly restoring half your bar per tick

[faint beacon]

Pyro really just is

a fucking Bread and Butter pick

you can never go wrong with it on any build

Voltaic im opening up to more especially after seeing it has a 5% to instakill anything Minoris

[crude fiber]

Yall seen the boss stun lock from the knock back on ranged hit indulgence? Pretty silly if you have the no ammo Cost on crit with high crit

[calm shard]

I went into it with double shield, EP, brain burst

and then proceeded to not get a single brain burst related indulgence

it was miserable

[plucky sphinx]

Hello, I clicked this together from a youtube video about an easy to play allrounder build, but it's like 4 months old (from TannerLindberg, but idk anything about DT creators, so no idea if it's legit), any idea if this will still work mostly fine?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9e867c39-586a-43f7-996a-cdd3be7109e0

[iron marten]

I'd just like you to know that the saying Tanner here is like saying Voldemort in Harry Potter

Also, that build should work

[umbral scaffold]

He who shall not be named build works

[iron marten]

Hahaha

[iron marten]

I'd say swap the curios around until you get 200hp and just go all in on toughness once you reach it

Stamina not really needed for ds4 as it has pretty good block efficiency

[plucky sphinx]

Oh dear 😅 , alright thanks guys

[umbral scaffold]

The Stam 3 makes you go sonic the hedgehog 🦔

[frank ledge]

Veteran hasn't changed so ye it should work

Just be careful the one who shall not be named

[sharp epoch]

why 200 hp

[umbral scaffold]

For higher difficultys I'm guessing

Havoc modifiers can quarter your hp or half it sometimes

[iron marten]

And snipers too, but that needs sniper resist iirc

[umbral scaffold]

Oh true that actually makes sense

[iron marten]

Personally, I run stupid glass cannon builds so that's about the limit of my generalist knowledge lol

[keen wharf]

i cannot be bothered doing 33 more runs just to get the the last 2 penance, although nade spam vet with nade spam Ogryn makes for a hell of a funny time.

[gilded raft]

Dull grind to make the penance number bigger...

[calm shard]

gonna try a slightly different helbore build and regret not having grenade regen

actually I could just take demo team instead of that minor node and that'd be okay probably

[gilded raft]

Id take grenade regen over that top right node. Helbore pull sucks but a half second won't make a diff, especially since you're not weapon spec, so you'll have it out most of the time

Constant aoe boom beats a few fractions of seconds saved

[placid swan]

Been playing on and off since beta.

Today was the first time I heard the pskyers line about relative quiet met with a Cadian, "SHUT UP"

I spit my coffee 🤣

On a serious note: Any fellow vets got tips for mortis trials?

[keen wharf]

Mortis is easy since you get Abilities that cheese everything, even bully Dh with perma stun and crit spam.

i think its there primarily to get newer players used to Auric Maelstrom.

[wanton dawn]

When opening the loot doors without taking ammo box: tag the location

[keen wharf]

i do recommend shooting the couple barrels that you're constantly going back to each round so you dont get yeeted around or off the map though.

[calm shard]

anyways killzone buff has made the funny one shot kill crusher helbore build pretty nifty

you only need 5 stacks to instantly kill them point blank instead of 7

4 at ~12 meters, and only 3 at ~15

[unreal nova]

Guess who was bored enough to gamble for a gun she will never use.

Yes, it's 8 shots, tested in sedation and ran back to my lethal prox.

[pseudo fiber]

Nice

[calm shard]

okay using this build now

lopsided like someone with scoliosis (like me)

[unreal nova]

Mortis SEA ded, wehhhhhhhh.

[stiff glacier]

ive really enjoyed mortis trials, there could be harder version though

and couple more stages

[unreal nova]

I kinda want less HP and much more targets.

They get too spongy to feel great at a point.

[stiff glacier]

and i hate grenade box ogryns causing my framerate die pitifully

[umbral scaffold]

Hehehe

[unreal nova]

The ones who take bigger box subnode is even more funny.

[stiff glacier]

you mean the nuke box?

[umbral scaffold]

On the new mortis trials w all the grenade buffs it hilarious

[stiff glacier]

oh god

[unreal nova]

No, Bigger box, but it now throws in a free nuke.

[umbral scaffold]

I send 3 at a time against BoN

[stiff glacier]

i had one ogryn who abused vets ammo box refreshing grenades too

my game stuttered 2 minutes straight

[umbral scaffold]

Which all split into 2 which then somehow turns into like 20 BOOMS

[stiff glacier]

i heard my pc's fans intensify

[unreal nova]

20? You mean 200.

[stiff glacier]

but having 3 charges of zealot chorus was funny

[unreal nova]

Bonus, Field improv ammocrates and well, all the nade boxes.

[umbral scaffold]

We'll have to try that some time karien

[unreal nova]

3x shout is pretty broken as well.

Is like perma con stim.

[stiff glacier]

cutthroat seeing pebbles and shout about cadia 3 times

[umbral scaffold]

I have not played any other classes but oggy since the update rolled out

[lost frigate]

i love to play hellebore with stealth and sniping talent act as sniper take out horde of gunner, flamer gunner ogryrn that pin my team, stealth allows the relocation and crucial breathing space. during teammate getting overwhelmed by mob

[unreal nova]

I play Loose Cannon.

Always field improv. I wish there was an obvious tell who has field improv at times.

[fallen plank]

Is the bolt pistol or bolt rifle the better gun to run?

[hybrid plover]

it depends on what you're looking for

[unreal nova]

Bolt Pistol, once you get used to the weird iron sights.

[lost frigate]

bolt pistol can quick swap

[hybrid plover]

bolt pistol is good as a marksman weapon to take out priority targets real quick

[umbral scaffold]

Bolters good for bosses

[fallen plank]

I've been running the rifle and like it but it's just bulky af and I usually don't use it except crowd control

[lost frigate]

but bolter is unparallel for killing horde of crusher in a short time

[hybrid plover]

bolter isn't nearly as fast on the draw but can demolish hordes and bosses with primary fire

[unreal nova]

Bolter mainly for blasting at crusher packs and bosses.

[umbral scaffold]

Try out the bistol you may like it how much lighter it feels

In your operatives hands

[lost frigate]

i never use it on vet tho only zealot the bolt pistol

[umbral scaffold]

Yea for vet just go w plas

I think its the best gun atm

[unreal nova]

Bistol is better for boosting your frags and kraks (much lesser degree), and sniping key targets that isn't cara.

[lost frigate]

i used it to role play as sergent sometime

chain sword and bolter pistol

[fallen plank]

Is the plas actually good? I've been curious on it for a bit

[umbral scaffold]

And constant shouting at teammates to kill in big Es name

[unreal nova]

Crushers takes like 7 shots in my 'nadier build. Normal Damnation.

[hybrid plover]

it's so good that many wonder how it hasn't been nerfed yet

with good reason

[umbral scaffold]

It's over powered

[lost frigate]

it kinda good if but u need to manage heat at decent level for bonus but not overheat killing yourself

[umbral scaffold]

It's a bit sluggish to use so gotta get used to it

[lost frigate]

and u need some practice t snipe the far enemy

[unreal nova]

Be psyker at home 2.0.

[umbral scaffold]

I dont really like how it shoots

Feels weird the delay

[hybrid plover]

there is never a point where you should be overheating because you never really want to use the secondary fire

uses way more ammo for not enough output to really matter

primary fire is perfectly good as is

[lost frigate]

plasma is great but i'm a big fan of hellbore and vigilant autogun

and would be neat if we get bolt actio rifle but..

but it wouldn't happen anyway

[hybrid plover]

could try the agripinna combat shotgun

it's probably the closest we're getting to a bolt action

[lost frigate]

it greaty

very versatile

[unreal nova]

Having to manually special reload, lul.

[lost frigate]

i used to main it during the fire shotgun era

[unreal nova]

Agripinna, the slug one.

[lost frigate]

yeah

i know

everybody use fireshotgun that time but i stick to agripana

[unreal nova]

It's like annoying Boltpistol for me nowadays, lul.

[lost frigate]

it can stagger the crusher, sniping, and make bulwark lost his balance

imo it kinda jack of all trade, good as everything

but not really excel in any aspects

[unreal nova]

Is literally just a more annoying Bistol lul.

Just with better stagger power.

[calm shard]

I LOVE popping executioners stance and then getting 4 non reg headshots in a row

It's SO fun

I LOVE that the server can just say "no" to any shot that I land

[oblique totem]

I'm starting to think you're being sarcastic.

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-cat-cat-knife-cat-knife-cat-angry-gif-9404759922388476738

[oblique totem]

Can't really tell, though.

[warm harbor]

Trappers, Headshot or Stagger?

I go for the headshot

[toxic crypt]

This gif perfectly describes my knife stealth vet

[steep flower]

Skill issue

[steep flower]

Why not both?

[warm harbor]

Cause they never come alone and I can’t focus on them alone

[steep flower]

I mean… they never do come alone in highier diffs ye but cant focus on them alone? What kinda weapon you use you can’t?

[warm harbor]

No I mean

I usually use the Lucius cause
Vibe

And pop their head off

My question is if you guys rather istantly kill them or just damage them so they do not attack

[steep flower]

Aaahhh in a sense it ain’t staggered when its dead

[warm harbor]

And deal with them later

[steep flower]

Always kill if you can

Obviously

[warm harbor]

Duh

I’m a sniper with the Lucius

My favorite targets are other snipers and the Huntresses

[steep flower]

Huntresses

[warm harbor]

I do enjoy blowing Poxbursters up too tho

[warm harbor]

Are they really Nurgle?
Cause that restraining is kinda Slaneeshy

[grand perch]

damn rager be serpentining

[steep flower]

They are a regiment

It does not matter what chaos god they follow

[warm harbor]

Unsure the whole of the heretics are pretty Nurglite

[steep flower]

Mauler for sure

Crusher, scab rager yeah certainly

[warm harbor]

Can’t wait to face a Great Unclean One

Or a Demon Prince

And solve this MF PROBLEM

[steep flower]

Sarcasm btw

[warm harbor]

Getting tired of this Mf planet 😭

I’m tired of this Mf heretics in this Mf hive city!

[toxic crypt]

If the Inquisition doesn't hurry tf up and clear this place, imma call in the Orks and let them fight!

[austere pine]

it's over

just had a 2 minute long bolter salvo

[tame lodge]

Darktide Heavy Bolter

[dry cloak]

Heavy bolter

[austere pine]

storm bolter gameplay

[slow spade]

The 2 charges indulgence is peak as well

[kind scarab]

2 charges are indeed peak

I wonder if full auto gives you infinite ammo, or if it eats out of your reserves

[slow spade]

I wish I got to try

[crude fiber]

Infinite ammo. Had it with shredder and the ranged knock back indulgence and just stun locked bosses till they were tickled to death

[slow spade]

Lol

I got to try that with bolter

[kind scarab]

Tickled? I was running a support build with my shredder and it only took two clips to kill one

With a real build I'm sure it'd eat through them like butter

[tame lodge]

Infinite

Then you handle the recoil of the bolter

And you have a heavy bolter

[kind scarab]

I now know what my favourite build for mortis gonna be going forward then

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-devastator-warhammer40k-ultramarine-heavy-bolter-space-marine-gif-15934478

[kind scarab]

It's time for the glory of shotguns.

Infinite ammo shotgun gonna be hilarious

[austere pine]

full auto just makes ammo consumption 0

and the 2 extra charges is great in addition to full auto, but it's not something i'd ever pick above full auto

[serene pagoda]

got myself a question, been amost two years since i last touched my curios comp, whats the best mainstats to run atm ?

[austere pine]

get to over 200 hp, get some stam fixing (i personally run a curio with +3 stam and do stam regen perk on one curio and sprint eff perk on another)

[serene pagoda]

yeah i got 2 20% HP% with a +3 stamina atm.
running
Cooldown reduction
Tough
Revive Speed
on all 3
do i need to touch any of them ?

[austere pine]

excessive on the hp curios

hp you can regen but with more difficulty

i run 5 toughness and 5 hp perks on all curios

[serene pagoda]

hum.
so. change an 20% HP curio to an Tough curio?

[austere pine]

ye

but make sure you're at least 201 hp

for bursters

[serene pagoda]

currently i have 210 HP.

thanks for the info.

🙇

[crude fiber]

I took off a bunch of the +damage nodes so I could shoot them longer

[faint beacon]

Get Silent hounded, watch the stealth loner zealot literally walk past me to go fight the horde

Total Zealot Death

[void dragon]

me with aprox 150 HP: am I in danger?

[slow spade]

Not really

VoC exists

[void dragon]

im not running VoC on some builds

then again, most are infiltrate ones

[austere pine]

which archetype other than death dealer is actually, genuinely, good?

[hollow axle]

So, what about the medic build ?

[slow spade]

For Vet, Death Dealer and Medic are funny

The elemental ones are dogshit

[upper ginkgo]

hello , there are a player italian ?

[austere pine]

even for other classes the elemental ones seem underwhelming

[austere pine]

i'm sure there are

[upper ginkgo]

how find ?

[austere pine]

the elemental ones seem to be generally just disjointed ideas of "when this happens, proc element"

[austere pine]

i dunno, never tried

just exist within the server and find them, i guess

or browse the other communities

[slow spade]

Fire dashes on ogryn/zealot is funny. That's about it

[austere pine]

it's like

fulminator is a mix of underwhelming choices from both electrokinetic and pyrokinetic

pyrokinetic only gets you so far with its abilities

[slow spade]

Yeah the elementals are just "eh" compared "healing grenades" and "infinite ammo"

[austere pine]

and electrokinetic is all based on stuns and not a lot of damage, which is a problem smite has where it stuns enemies but doesn't kill them

exactly

most guns struggle from having to reload or not having much ammo to begin with and that is how they are balanced, same with grenades, where you only get a couple of them because of how good they are as crowd control tools

genuinely, even though death dealer just feels like shit on zealot, it's still probably zealot's best choice

[tame lodge]

#📌communities

[hollow axle]

This medic build is good or this is memeing ?

[slow spade]

Depends on grenade

[austere pine]

for krak, hell nah

[slow spade]

But you can get "remove corruption" and "regen hp"

[austere pine]

for at least frag? yeah

[slow spade]

Which is bullshit strong and funny

[austere pine]

for box? absolutely stupid ez

[tame lodge]

At least it has the new Catch a Breath

[slow spade]

The "remove corruption" and "regen hp" combo was a lot of fun

Melee dueling ragers and not caring was cathartic

[grand perch]

nah its trash

[austere pine]

if you don't get grenade regen

it's good if you do

[upper ginkgo]

thx man 😄

[austere pine]

because putting down grenades at the speed of sound which not only clear things super fast and stun very often but also support your team by making them die less is great

cleanse corruption is a waste of an indulgence, though, in that a zealot taking an aura they don't mind taking anyway completely erases the need for it

(unless the indulgence clears corrupted wounds)

[marsh shard]

Hmm, aside from nades...

What are the vet's best answers for Bulwarks?

[austere pine]

bolter

afaik you can hit the bulwark's head

[umbral scaffold]

Any support vet build that works solo also (bad teammates for example)

[hollow axle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dab97d4-e787-41b6-a116-d802b6166d19/medic-3

[arctic rampart]

plasma goes through, or pick your melee weapon.. ds4 powersword rashad etc

[hollow axle]

This one is bette r?

[austere pine]

meaning a gun which can stun the hell out of him and make him drop shield is good

plasma does go through but it's like shooting a crusher with a ciag

it can work but i'd rather find another way

[arctic rampart]

well it also goes through 5 bulwarks soo

[hollow axle]

What do you mean ?

[austere pine]

low dmg

[slow spade]

Focus Target never goes wrong

[hollow axle]

👀

[austere pine]

4-shot into body, 6 shot into shield

works but like

[arctic rampart]

focus feels real bad on powersword or other slower weapons though compared to weapon specialist.

[austere pine]

i'd rather not

[slow spade]

"Support build"

[arctic rampart]

The best support is debuffing enemy health to 0. The best debuff!

[void dragon]

are amost all melee options kinda shitty when no weapon specialist side perks are used?

[umbral scaffold]

Build that helps team with shout etc and team nodes

[austere pine]

also, hitting a agri shotgun slug into the bulwark's shield makes him immediately drop cover

[marsh shard]

IMO, no.

The only melees that really "need" weapon specialist are those that have poop mobility

[arctic rampart]

but then you'd have an agri shotgun equipped instead of a good gun

[hollow axle]

The best CC is death 🤓

[marsh shard]

Power Sword without weapon specialist = sus

With = legit

[arctic rampart]

sorry, mostly trolling with shotgun comment. don't hate me 🙂

[slow spade]

Power sword is fine without weapon specialist lol

[austere pine]

legit any and every weapon benefits from WS

[slow spade]

Its just boosted by WS

[marsh shard]

No shit

[austere pine]

some more than others, but if you don't know what keystone to get, get WS

[marsh shard]

Its got dumpster tier mobility without WS. Like, horrific

[umbral scaffold]

I would love to have some lower DMG more team based build just fir alternative play but you need good team for that and I was wondering

[arctic rampart]

I dont feel the need for WS with like ds4 or knife types or even shovel. but weapons with small dodge distance it feels much better with WS. u don't need it, but it is desirable. plus the 10% attack speed usually couples nicely there.

[slow spade]

Then swing your sword?

Boom now the mobility issue is irrelevant

[austere pine]

it's got shit damage without activation

[slow spade]

Then activate it?

[austere pine]

and if you activate without the block cancel, you're taking all of your damage output and mobility and wiping your ass with it

but if you block cancel repeatedly to get actual numbers out of it and don't have ws with the stam talent, you have no stam, meaning no more damage and no more sprinting

[slow spade]

I really don't get the "wah mobility" complaints

[arctic rampart]

how many hours do you have in the game

[slow spade]

Like have you played Aurics? The last thing you're doing is speed running

[slow spade]

900 lol

[marsh shard]

Dodging is literally one of the most important, most basic ass things in dt.

And Power Sword sucks at dodging.

I'm not saying Power Sword is shit without WS, but it benefits FAR MORE than most if not all melees from WS. Similar to how some guns benefit FAR MORE than others from WS

[slow spade]

I'm lvl 770 in true level on my vet

[signal cypress]

You can block cancel the PSword activation?

[austere pine]

on the higher mark onne

[slow spade]

Only the mk6

[signal cypress]

I'll have to try that

[slow spade]

Very handy, I would suggest trying to get in the flow of using it

[faint beacon]

Its why people only use the MK6

[arctic rampart]

right. less experienced players move less optimally, so they get caught more often. the weapon specialist node can help them get out of the shit. but its also true more experience really helps weapon specialist proc have more uptime. it's difficult being a noob 🙂

[marsh shard]

Hours played/true level is irrelevant tbqh.

I'm sure there are true level 9000 smykers, theyre still shit at the game

[slow spade]

Sadly mk3 got dumpstered a long time ago

[slow spade]

Yeah idk why Nikola asked that

[arctic rampart]

I want to find out your a/s/l prepare for my dms

[austere pine]

asl?

american sign language?

[arctic rampart]

age sex location

[austere pine]

wicked

[signal cypress]

Ye, I'll try it next time I run vet
I actually never knew bout that til now

[slow spade]

Lol if you wanted to pull the "noob" callout. I'm the wrong vet

[arctic rampart]

No I guessed you are experienced, and tahts why you can say you don't need WS on powersword (etc) slow weapons

[slow spade]

I mean powersword is a low skill floor, high skill ceiling weapon

[arctic rampart]

thats every weapon in the game tbh

[tardy vine]

is it me or vostroyan hellbore shooting lower?

[marsh shard]

Having doodoo mobility is a huge deal, even for "skilled" players

[austere pine]

just you

changing the mesh doesn't and will never change stats lol

[slow spade]

If that's how we're arguing then why bother compare weapons

[tardy vine]

i mean lower than ironsight

[austere pine]

oh... i dunno

[arctic rampart]

I was trying to /thread the conversation. dangit!

[wind grotto]

I think the answer is yes but only a little bit

[marsh shard]

Like, there a weapons that deal as much if not significantly more damage as the DS4.

Its the mobility combined with the damage that make it stand out

[slow spade]

Yeah but having insane cleave and damage is also a huge deal

[austere pine]

could try taking a screenshot and comparing the ironsight level

[wind grotto]

didn't test it much and the ironsights still suck so much i'll probably just use weapon customization again

[austere pine]

fukin modders again

[slow spade]

Personally why lean into fixing Psword's weaknesses instead of boosting its strengths?

[austere pine]

so...

the activation poke getting a guaranteed crit?

[wind grotto]

because fixing the weakness makes you take less hits?

[marsh shard]

I dont believe there is a melee out there that benefits more from WS than Psword

[arctic rampart]

I got to play like 3 games since the new update. Man the powersword feels better with the activation sticking. Didn't play my best since I actually got hit but it sure was nice to not have it screw over my weapon. mk6 powersword feels like a powerhouse this patch

[slow spade]

Swinging your sword does the same

[wind grotto]

getting hit while swinging still turns the sword off so good luck with that one

[slow spade]

And its not even fully working too

[arctic rampart]

not anymore

[wind grotto]

no, unless they hotfixed it it still does

[slow spade]

Imagine if you didn't get interrupted when attacking too

[slow spade]

Ok? Swing again lmao

Its really not that difficult

[marsh shard]

The goal is to not get hit

[austere pine]

swing the unpowered poop sword?

[arctic rampart]

wait, I'm pretty confident I got hit like 3 times in those games... and the activation stuck? what are you guys saying is it bugged still?

[slow spade]

Well its a good thing you can push

[slow spade]

Stagger into power-up again

[slow spade]

Partially

[wind grotto]

I haven't played since the hotfix but people said here and then playing in mortis trials after that for sure it still loses charge if you get hit while swinging

[slow spade]

It does

[wind grotto]

if you are not swinging and get hit you keep it but uh

[slow spade]

Can confirm :c

[wind grotto]

the use case for that one is useless if thats what they wanted

[marsh shard]

You can push a rager out of its combo?

You can push a mixed horde? Crushers? Bosses?

[slow spade]

Wow its a good thing you have a sword

[marsh shard]

That cant dodge

[slow spade]

That 2-3 hit kills crushers

[slow spade]

Swing

Bruh

[marsh shard]

You got poop mobility and poop stam regen

Everything is poop

[arctic rampart]

I was playing just auric maelstroms. I'm pretty sure I was swinging when I got hit, then swung again and it worked?

[slow spade]

Pick the glass cannon with no mobility melee weapon and you're trying to dodge

[marsh shard]

But my god when you swing that sword it hits like a truck

[slow spade]

Do you really not see the disconnect?

[arctic rampart]

is there a caveat like not having toughness or something? I had iron will level toughness still up

[marsh shard]

You should dodge

[wind grotto]

no I lost it for toughness melee hits

[slow spade]

Nope, it just turns off regardless

Even with yellow toughness and stuff

[wind grotto]

I still really like the sword to be clear, but unless it's a bug the change is functionally useless

[arctic rampart]

that is not what happened to me, at least I think. hopefully I get to play again soon

[slow spade]

I haven't tried with stun immunity

[marsh shard]

Like, ds4 > psword because mobility

[slow spade]

But its not like you get stun immunity often anyways

(Or rather you shouldn't)

[arctic rampart]

ds4 all the time is boring. use a tac axe

[toxic leaf]

i cant wait for the ds4 to be nerfed and then im here pretending the knife has been balanced all along

[signal cypress]

Playerbase will drop by a steady 30-40% when the dulling sore gets nerfed

[fleet drift]

What is Dump stat for Helbore Lasgun?

[austere pine]

does it have stability?

[fleet drift]

Yes

[austere pine]

it's stability

[wind grotto]

I don't know if they'll ever even nerf the ds at this point

it was ludicrous for psyker for a very very long time and they sure didn't care then

[toxic leaf]

psyker is a lot harder to play and are more inclined to stay the entire match with their staves up

[austere pine]

because it was one of the two weapons psyker had

[toxic leaf]

vs zealot and veteran having quick recharging oh shit buttons that paper over bad play

[toxic crypt]

I mean if people can't play without DS that's kinda on them, I understand people not being happy about it but leaving because of it would be a bit silly

[signal cypress]

They could do the biggest funny and be like
"Yea we fucked up, only the psyker gets the ds again"

[wind grotto]

that would be fine

[broken spade]

Game got review bombed when power sword got nerfed
Game will just die when ds gets nerfed

[wind warren]

Weapon wishlist for veteran, grenade launcher, melta gun, hellgun, plasma pistol, and bulldog stubber

[wind grotto]

I want the fucking hotshot lasgun the gunners get

[terse idol]

Well that's hyperbolic

[signal cypress]

What I mean by the biggest funny

Is the backlash would be insane, Zealot chat was literally having an epiphany last night or the other night over the psyker buffs.

Just wait n see if they get their toothpick taken

Goddamn

[austere pine]

for veteran?

[pseudo fiber]

Same I hope that's the vet weapon

[austere pine]

when the zealot is the equivalent to sisters?

[hearty trout]

The more I get used to the Devil's claw, the more I realize the duelling sword really isn't that powerful

[terse idol]

I don't think dt would really die but review bomb because weapon nerf is lul

[austere pine]

when the three weapons the sisters are known for being the bolter, the flamer and the melta?

[toxic crypt]

I honestly want like a more standard pistol, like a ballistic pistol similar to laspistol

[trim badger]

No more Malice players...

[terse idol]

Nooo...

[wind warren]

Stub gun

[austere pine]

yeah, sure, i want it to get added, but it will be added because of the zealot, not because of the vet

[terse idol]

Devil claw's carapace killing is terrible

[hearty trout]

So? You have a gun for that

[terse idol]

And rhe parry starts to falter when there's multiple ragers

[hearty trout]

The more ragers the better

[toxic crypt]

Ah is that what that stub is you mentioned?
I don't know too much about 40k lol I just like the games

[wind warren]

Nar

[terse idol]

Because the devil claw is serviceable but not as good as the DS

[wind warren]

Stub gun is a normal pistol

[hearty trout]

I love parry chaining like 6 ragers in a row

[wind warren]

While the bulldog stubber is a heavy stubber used by arbites

[trim badger]

I think people who say "DS sword is only a little bit better than the competition" don't have a high headshot acc

[terse idol]

Iirc the DS's special attack can stagger ragers...

[hearty trout]

I only poke faces

[trim badger]

And crushers and maulers and specials

[terse idol]

Devil claw parry gets overwhelmed past a few ragers wdym

[hearty trout]

?

[terse idol]

Yes you can't just parry a horde of ragers

It doesn't work like that

[hearty trout]

Yes you can

[trim badger]

And reapers and bullwarks

[hearty trout]

You don't just stand still like an idiot

[terse idol]

I mean

[hearty trout]

You use your dodges

[terse idol]

Ignoring that the DS can just stagger ragers

And saying that you have a gun for crushers... yes that's a clear disadvantage the dclaw has

[hearty trout]

Yeah sure, but you only are staggering 1 rager at a time and absolutely nothing else where as a parry deletes the rager and kills like 2-3 mobs at the same time

And you can chain the parry's like 2x faster than the special attack

I'm not saying DC is better

[hollow ibex]

this is why you use taxe instead

rapid fire special stagger

[hearty trout]

I'm saying the DS isn't crazy OP like people think it is

[terse idol]

You cannot

Your combo is litetally just

H1 Special 1

Spam

It is really that good

Like

[wind warren]

The accatran pattern lasgun that has an underbarrel grenade launcher and can be modified into a sniper rifle would be cool

[hearty trout]

And that's coming from a guy who used it exclusively the DS the second I got it for 80hrs straight

[terse idol]

I just don't think you're considering the damage DS has

And one of its only weaknesses is mediocre horde clear

[hearty trout]

Yeah but I don't see duelling swords 2-3 shotting bosses like the combat blade on zealot

[terse idol]

Uh

Do weakpoint stabs on the DS for bosses

[hearty trout]

You don't say

[terse idol]

[hearty trout]

Doesn't take out half their health bar

[terse idol]

Dclaw isn't

Wdym

[hearty trout]

Dude what's your reading comprehension level

I said Dclaw isn't as good as DS

But the power the DS has isn't as crazy as people say

[terse idol]

No I'm just using the comparison of why the DS is better than the dclaw

[hearty trout]

It's only considered OP because of how easy it is to use

[terse idol]

But it isn't as weak as you're trying to say it is

DS is one of the best weapons rn

[hearty trout]

But other than Carapace, dclaw blows it away

[hollow ibex]

nah. it's broken, dumb, and needs to be nerfed to shit.

[terse idol]

No?

[hearty trout]

For raw damage output

[hollow ibex]

l o l

[trim badger]

DS deals more dmg on heavies and has a higher weakspot multiplier iirc

Knife only has that extra backstab damage

[terse idol]

You have insane damage vs maniacs

Damage vs ragers

Damage vs maulers

Like

[hollow ibex]

sorry but dclaw and ds aren't even anywhere near comparable in terms of power level

[normal bay]

D Claw blowing away DS. What are you doing with DS? Spamming lights?

[terse idol]

I'd probably go as far as to argue that DS has better blessings and dclaw needs a blessing rework

[toxic crypt]

Y'know I wanted to add something to this argument, but imma just sit here with some rations and watch this unfold lol

[terse idol]

Which is an easy enough argument

[trim badger]

Even without blessing DS shreds tho

[hollow ibex]

i really love how this update brought a bunch of people back to the server to argue stupid things

[hearty trout]

Against ragers and anything that isn't carapace, that parry obliterates enemies

[terse idol]

Dclaw with 'impact' 💀

[terse idol]

Which gets overwhelmed when you have multiple of that enemy

[hearty trout]

Which it doesnt

[terse idol]

It literally does

[trim badger]

I used to say nerf DS but now that havoc was made an eternal nightmare I don't mind keeping my crutch :)

[normal bay]

You can just poke and dodge away with DS. Just dance around a DH until it leaves out of embarassment

[terse idol]

If enemies are attacking on different timings you can really get yourself in a situation where you just get hit

Even on a parry

[tall torrent]

Nah, needs nerf

[hearty trout]

Maybe for you, but on the mortis trials last wave I had like 10-12 ragers at me all at once cuz my teammates died and they all got cooked in under 5 seconds

[broken spade]

Didn't they patch that?

[hearty trout]

And maulers + crushers aren't even a danger in this game

[trim badger]

I'm gonna abuse Knife/DS until they fix the crashes on havoc

[hearty trout]

They're less dangerous than pox walkers

[hollow ibex]

ur less dangerous than a pox walker

[terse idol]

Oh they did? Is it more frames can you literally parry 10 ragers attacking you at once now with 1 parry?

[terse idol]

Uh

[normal bay]

My random teammates disagree

[terse idol]

I mean i disagree

[hearty trout]

You can't get attacked by 10 ragers at once

They're always slightly spaced apart

Meaning you can be specifically in the range of 1-2 at a time max if you keep proper spacing

[tall torrent]

U can

[terse idol]

I mean then you can do it with the DS

If it's about spacing

Because you just dodge back and stab

[hearty trout]

Yeah but it's not fun and is slower

And you're only killing the rager

Not extra mobs that can help with not being overwhelmed

[broken spade]

It was a few months ago i think. Your parry lingers during the animation of you parrying something

[hearty trout]

And sometimes you kill 2 ragers with 1 parry

[broken spade]

unlocked and loaded patch

[hearty trout]

The parry with rampage and the Cleave on hit is insane

[terse idol]

Oh

[hearty trout]

It goes through like 3-4 enemies

[terse idol]

But the stamina drain can mess you up still during that duration

[queen fox]

Does this mean parry can block more than 1 attack now?

[hearty trout]

You can hit 3 ragers at the same time and kill 2 and delete the others guys HP bar by like 3/4

[hearty trout]

At the instance of parrying, I never got hit

[marsh shard]

Psykers can infinitely parry

[hearty trout]

And you're able to parry literally immediately after you pull a successful parry

[broken spade]

That's true
although I imagine it got better in those cases recently with the buffs this patch

[marsh shard]

Dclaw is stupid on psyker

[hearty trout]

The buff changed the way it feels entirely

[marsh shard]

The only thing that can harm you as a psyker with a dclaw in a bubble are certain specials and overheads

[terse idol]

But you know what's still stupid on psyker even before it was given to other classes, ds

[hearty trout]

DS is only crazy powerful cuz it's insanely easy to use and requires absolutely no skill

[queen fox]

True

[hollow ibex]

DS was previous balanced by psyker players

[hearty trout]

But I think it should remain untouched, as for me it helped a shit ton in being less stressed while playing so I could start to understand the game a lot more.

And then once I got to a point, I stopped using it

[queen fox]

Ds was previously balanced because psyker was so squishy in melee, and also to take ds you were not taking a force sword with deflector

[terse idol]

Its just not comparable still

[normal bay]

And has insane mobility, huge crit numbers and good armour pen...

[broken spade]

I didn't really like how strong ds was back when it was psyker-only either

[hearty trout]

They would just need to reduce it's mobility

[hollow ibex]

nah it was balanced by psyker mains being universally dogshit at melee

[broken spade]

disgusting non force weapon being meta on my force class

[hearty trout]

Give it 4 dodges and 5-10% less movement speed

[queen fox]

I just think that, thematically, the chainsword should be the op weapon. I'm sure gw would be happy about it

[hollow ibex]

that's the only reason it flew under the radar

[terse idol]

Like the DS's ease of use is also one of the reasons why it's also just needs a nerf too

If anything make the horde clear much worse

[hearty trout]

Can't hit more than 1 enemy at a time

0 cleave

[queen fox]

Except on mk2 ds

Ofc

[hearty trout]

Me not even knowing there was a MK2 until recently

[toxic crypt]

Could be like Branx where you have to do a super weird combo to even get some decent crowd control

[hearty trout]

Picking up the perfect roll from melk and wondering why I don't have a double poke

[terse idol]

Just don't give it crowd control

[queen fox]

Except with ds you'd have to do the weird combo much much faster

[normal bay]

I think tone down the crit and armour pen numbers personally. They're the big outliers when you look at other comparable weapons

[void dragon]

is there a REAL reason why the shredder Apistol is so crappy? dodge and sprint speed near what of Bistol with nothing of its kill potential, no armour piercing capacity, low damage/ammo, its quite hard to like it, am i missing something?

[toxic crypt]

Yeah you could that too lol

[hearty trout]

Or, reduce the maniac damage so it doesn't easy clap 1 hit mutants

[broken spade]

mk2 is actually just as broken as ds4. It's just slightly more annoying to combo but it kills basically the same with a bit more versatility

[terse idol]

Because it hasn't been buffed enough to make it not the worst weapon in the game

[hearty trout]

Keep its armor pen and carapace damage

But make it primarily carapace deleter

[queen fox]

... it's the fastest movespeed weapon with a flashlight

[broken spade]

People just haven't noticed that the ds2 poke got buffed to match ds4 poke a few months back

[void dragon]

wonderful! i can see what in the dark is killing me when i have no ammo

[queen fox]

It's been that way for at least a year

[hearty trout]

Bruh just put flashlights on everything

[broken spade]

it's been a year?

time flies

[queen fox]

Ds4 players simply lack the mental capacity to use the special button

Ds2 needs no nerfs until ds4 gets them

[hearty trout]

I mean it's only useful for certain scenarios

I'd rather just poke the thing to death rather than stagger it which means it's not immediately dead

[void dragon]

make the default vision of the players in dark better, is not like flashlights on body are a forgein archeotech thing!

[hearty trout]

Weapon customization mod should be base game

[queen fox]

Then why not use ds2 and still be able to poke it to death while also having better hordeclear?

[hearty trout]

Because sometimes it needs 2 pokes

[broken spade]

poke special poke

the special takes barely any time anyways

[void dragon]

ripper gun, flamer, Bistol, all with a flashlight

[hearty trout]

That's a lot slower than just poke poke

[queen fox]

Poke special poke

[hearty trout]

Special is great for interrupting an overhead or stopping a rager in it's path

[trim badger]

Poke/poke is faster than Poke/special/poke

The best thing about MK4 is that you can choose which combo you wanna do

[hearty trout]

But when there's 6 crushers and you gotta delete em fast

[hearty trout]

This lol

If you only poke/special/poke you're losing shit tons of DPS

It has its place

But I really don't think the sword needs to be nerfed into the ground.

[trim badger]

I think all MK4 needs is just being less effective against caparace (nerf blessings) and make it not stagger ogryn based enemies/mutants with the special

[tall torrent]

Nerf ≠ nerf into ground

[void dragon]

Btw need to know your opinion folks: is the melee capacity of the veteran ok outside weapon specialist side perks? i know some weapons are powercreeped, but i feel the base melee combat of the class is kinda low already

[hollow ibex]

its ok but very limited selection

[tall torrent]

I say psyker needs 80 nerfs and none is “nerf into ground”

[hearty trout]

Nah removing caparace would remove one of its strong points that makes it so appealing, or make it do like absolutely fuck all damage to non weakspots

[tall torrent]

Veteran’s melee selection is super limited

[hearty trout]

And make the damage far more reliant on crit

[trim badger]

I mean all weapon specialist really does for the melee aspect is the extra attack speed if you pick that modifier

[hollow ibex]

you've got.... power sword, rashad, dueling sword

[void dragon]

so power sword and rashad only... tragic

[tall torrent]

Rashad doesn’t scale as well as the rest into havoc/mortis

[normal bay]

Don't think it's an issue. Heavy sword can do this

[tall torrent]

Enemy health too high

[hollow ibex]

oh rip

even worse then

[void dragon]

so Psword only?

wow

[tall torrent]

U essentially have 1 choice if u want to stand and fight

[hearty trout]

Having to hit a mutant 1 more time when it's a mutant wave and you have to kill like 20+ mutants... It taking an extra hit is massive

Also would probably change rager breakpoints

Iirc rager face is maniac

(dreg)

[queen fox]

It's really not much dps between ds mk2 and mk4 poke chains

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t

[queen fox]

It's like, 10

Or 20

[normal bay]

But it's not out of line for similar weapons

Shitting on crushers and maulers is

[trim badger]

Don't ragers have a 15% headshot resistance

[tall torrent]

I’ll be entirely honest with u @hearty trout
You lack significant game knowledge to be calling for these changes lol

[void dragon]

that...doesnt sound fun tbh, even if the class is mostly ranged shooting (which has its own dilemas i feel)

[hearty trout]

I definitely do

But I still don't think the DS absolutely obliterates shit

[tall torrent]

For example. Mutants have a 3x damage taken weakness from melee attacks

[trim badger]

Look as long as MK4 stays excellent against ragers and gunners I'll be happy

If we keep current mobility

[tall torrent]

That part needs to go too

[marsh shard]

Heavy Sword mk9 aint bad

[trim badger]

Soo just mobility nerf then?

[hearty trout]

Balance shouldn't be for the top 0.01% of players

[queen fox]

Ds4 needs either a mobility or carapace dmg nerf

[tall torrent]

Nah, more

[queen fox]

A big one