veteran-class

[wild vortex]

I am using it to get my MF penance personally, because I detest cheesing penances. At least Recon makes that penance kinda fun

slow, but fun

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah I know but I feel like I can do it much faster with a crab walking PS build

[wild vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-gif-24107071

[orchid hemlock]

Fear me

[tame lodge]

Bootleg dwarf build

[orchid hemlock]

Wait I just realized, Doc u didn't take iron will

[kind scarab]

Base finesse is 1.5x~ on the recon I'm using. First hit without stacks is 209.

With stacks (and no follow up shots)

We hit a crisp 228 (assuming 10 stacks of MF)

Ex Stance brings that up to our first breakpoint of 342 baseline to 2/3 shot most targets

Coupled with the follow up shots actually doing upwards of 500 during the burst, and firing at head height into crowds works out pretty well for my playstyle.

[kind scarab]

Not to mention I can still do this to a group of the bastards if they decide to conga line their way towards me

[orchid hemlock]

Not going to lie that was a bit underwhelming 😔

[kind scarab]

Ofc it is, Carapace is the recons weakness

Everything else is frankly fair game

[orchid hemlock]

Reminds me of this video: https://youtube.com/shorts/5gWalh1NSuI?si=y0dzZKgumPLf3jzv

[kind scarab]

Plus side? I can practically shoot forever

Downside? I need to aim more than just my revolver.

[kind scarab]

I never tried using that keystone at all with high fire-rate weapons. Pretty sure when it first came out the best use-cases for it was with revolver, plasma gun and shotguns

And then I immediately binned it from my subconscious

[orchid hemlock]

Behold the true best Recon build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d799ecb-e636-48b3-b088-df38d767c119/recon-lasgun-jeficus

STAM MAXING

[kind scarab]

Okay, see. You're using deadshot + Stamina maxing for your crits

[orchid hemlock]

Doc that's not my build

[wild vortex]

is this one of those gameslantern memes

yeah it is

holy fuck lmao

[orchid hemlock]

Nah Jeficus is serious

I like how in the videos hes like "good boss damage"

Shooting a spawn in the Psykanium taking 20 years to kill

[kind scarab]

If we're talking meme builds, my meme-iest would have to by full support

[orchid hemlock]

Wait ur build wasn't a meme build?

[kind scarab]

It's a recon lasgun, it's a half meme build

This is my medikrieg meme build

[orchid hemlock]

This whole time I thought.....

[kind scarab]

Your first mistake was thinking

[wild vortex]

the truth is painful sometimes

[vernal trench]

Finally updated my build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e4a3d1f-9782-4719-b898-4456524bae84/havoc-40-duo-infiltratebolter

[vernal trench]

Why not bring the golden toughness as well

[kind scarab]

The one that gives +50 toughness extra you mean?

See, I thought about it, but I wasn't sure whether to go with that or if it'd make me want to use the shout to keep peoples toughness up over what a krieg would do which is only shout at people to do better when they're already downed.

[vernal trench]

Yea

[vernal trench]

U can have both

[kind scarab]

I could, but then I'd have to fight myself to not use it before people get knocked down.

It's a meme build for a reason.

[vernal trench]

True that

Very meme

[orchid hemlock]

u tired this on Havoc?

[red star]

i got long bomb

followed this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv5-vEpcCeM

[wild vortex]

I just accidentally got Long Bomb at some point while playing a grenadier vet setup

[kind scarab]

Congratz

I got my long bomb once while tossing a nade at a friend getting dogged halfway across a bridge

[steep flower]

Thats a build i can get behind

[steep flower]

He actually played it all the time with some minor changes i later on shared with him ;p

But ye solid build

[shell pagoda]

Still need to get mine tbh

[vernal trench]

I did a duo with this

[vernal trench]

Na this is exactly what i used on our duo

but i tweak it here and there sometimes and change guns

Field improv is super useful

for duo anyway

[kind scarab]

This auric was going fine for like, the first 30%

But I am immediately reminded why I don't usually go with randoms

[viscid sparrow]

btw, what blessings on a bolter are good? I assume its Surgical and Cavalcade, for both sniping and spamming...?

[dry cloak]

Pinning fire istead of cavalcade imo

[tame lodge]

It was surgical pinning for the same reason you mentioned
But now it's puncture shattering for brrrrr

[dry cloak]

For yes for spam fire ways its shattering and puncture

[viscid sparrow]

I think I will stick with surgical pinning for now at least, because spam fire would be something I'd only use for mauler/crusher packs or monsters...

[vernal trench]

Cavalcade is good for zealots where all u do is mag dump for the most part

[vernal trench]

Surgical aint that good

U gotta ads for too long

[odd sparrow]

Surgical is great giving you much better BPs than normal cavalcade is not great imo just take pinning if you want to spam.

The brittleness blessing is pretty redundant because bolter has so high ADM against armored targets. If you take the +10% rending the blessing becomes entirely pointless

[tough tiger]

Pinning fire is pointless if you only use bolter for bosses

[vernal trench]

Its good when u got a ton of armored

Surgical is honestly a strange choice

U dont wanna aim long before each shot most of the time unless ur games are empty af

[odd sparrow]

You dont need to hold it to 100% crit for it to be good. Especially coupled with deadshot which is quite nice with bolter for the low recoil

[vernal trench]

Definitely an acquired taste

It sounds like a pretty bad idea on high difficulties tho

Deadshot in general

[dry cloak]

Not really

Used it a lot and combos nicely for nearly 100% crit gameplay

[vernal trench]

I mean thats time ur not gonna have to aim when 30 crushers charge at u

And if u got pus hardened thats another story

[viscid sparrow]

you know, I could always run a different combo than just surgical pinning or puncture brittleness.

I am thinking I could just try different combos of those 4 blessings (brittleness surgical or surgical puncture come to my mind first)...

I know it won't be the most optimal setup, but seeing as I don't dare touch havoc, I think it could work...?

[odd sparrow]

When thirty crushers are charging you just mag dump. Surgical doesnt disable your ability to spray. It just makes it more worthwhile to ADS when you arent getting bogged down

[vernal trench]

No but having another talent is better than having surgical

Different playstyles ig

[vernal trench]

I mean if ur not playing havocs u can literally run anything and make it work

[odd sparrow]

I will grant surgical isnt the best but frankly bolter blessing arent that strong in general

[vernal trench]

Puncture is but other stuff bit less so imo

[viscid sparrow]

not literally anything imo, some builds are too garbage to work on auric damnation/auric mael...

[vernal trench]

I can think of one

Shredder autopistol

[tame lodge]

Funnily enough it works as toughness generator

[vernal trench]

[trim badger]

I finally tried knife on vet and I wasn't expecting it to be this fun

I thought I would only have fun with it on Zealot

[vernal trench]

I tried knife on zealot and its so much better on vet

[tame lodge]

I don't like knife
It's coarse, rough.... irritating

[dusty sluice]

Guh, all my builds got wiped since i last played

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/padme-star-wars-anakin-gif-5048799

[tame lodge]

Tree changed= tree wiped

[dusty sluice]

Going to have to relearn everythingggg since last i played was when bolt pistol was added

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204540553971372072/1337110896920756296/RDT_20241118_2201016645429803181321652-1.gif

[tall torrent]

fixed PS6 finally

[tame lodge]

Hmmm
Never really stopped to analyze how they chain into each other

Kinda feels natural as breathing to just play, you know what I mean

[hollow ibex]

i hate that trappers can still trap you while you're invisible

[burnt vortex]

I mean you're still there. Just not visible

[hollow ibex]

yeah i know, still dumb

if VOC can send a net into the warp

trappers shouldn't be able to lock onto you if you're invisible

[burnt vortex]

You didn't tiptoe quietly enough

[terse idol]

Now to be faiir most builds will work on auric mael

[hollow ibex]

my damn cheeks clappin when i'm running

[terse idol]

Not all builds work on havoc because of uhh hardened

[tame lodge]

I also got caught by net while invisible

Thought it would work like stagger stops net

[hollow ibex]

yeah unfortunately, only voc can make nets magically disappear

voc and ogryn shout ig

patch reminded me to try PS again. man this is why i always want to like power weapons, despite their other... drawbacks

[surreal gust]

Like having to babysit them

[earnest dew]

Man PS feels so slow mobility wise, even though you have enough dodge distance to dodge trappers and dogs. I just use the shovel when I'm pubbing.

[hollow ibex]

yeah i ended up taking both 5% sprint nodes, which helps a bit

but dodges only WS can buff

[bold wedge]

Shouldn't spot you

[hollow ibex]

It's because the trapper was already aiming at me when I went invisible probably

[bold wedge]

Did you lose that run or did you get revived?

[hollow ibex]

Team got me

[bold wedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946091240607330334/1336181494976352358/togif.gif

[hollow ibex]

You just learn stupid things about invis the hard way

Would've been 100% safe with VOC

Naturally

[bold wedge]

I learned that you can still be downed while invisible

Walked right in front of a crush overhead thinking I'd be okay

[grand perch]

also its nigh on impossible to shove bursters while invis

[hollow ibex]

Yup

[vernal trench]

U can be sniped mid invis, trapped mid invis, grabbed mid invis

[hollow ibex]

Learned this the hard way too

[grand perch]

trigger DH invis

underhand throw grenades invis! thats nice

[vernal trench]

@latent parcel dragged one onto me while we were running into a narrow doorway

It was mt fault but it was funny

[vernal trench]

Demonhosts will target u even when invis

Its not like book where u can stun him

[hollow ibex]

Yeah invis used to work against DH

I get why that was removed though

[vernal trench]

Too op

Oh yea i still gotta get u that 40

Ive barelt been playin thr last week and half

[hollow ibex]

next month for sure

[vernal trench]

Probably

[hollow ibex]

im gonna be out soon

[vernal trench]

I been burned out

I beat a duo before i got u a 40 win

[hollow ibex]

yeah im really just waiting for the update

[hollow ibex]

lol grats

[vernal trench]

Im just taking it slow cuz burn out

Ride it out

[vernal trench]

Ty big man

[shadow dagger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/xGdv65d5Gy

new redditor build just dropped

[grand perch]

that thing was tougher than it looked
yeah,about that...

[shadow dagger]

and someone just recommended a tanner video in the comments 😭

[kind scarab]

Plague orgyn't

[vernal trench]

[pseudo fiber]

Lemme see the build this looks funny

[hollow ibex]

Oh God lol

[grand perch]

thats this little number

[kind scarab]

Checks out

Trickshot and SF

I need that on my zealot

[grand perch]

yeah i downvoted that shit but someone goes and upvotes immediately

[grand perch]

you might get too inaccurate without run and gun, since zealot lacks the exec stance zoom in. could ruin trickshooter stacks

[kind scarab]

That is a possibility, but who needs zoom in when you're staring death down the face with your invuln

Can't miss if my fists down their throat clutching the revolver

(Realistically I can, but I'm willing to see where this goes for hilarity sake, and since I have nothing better to do before the update)

[sleek garden]

Is that your own music in the background

[grand perch]

yeah

[sleek garden]

The actual video didn't load just the audio so it was funny to hear that among screaming and rapid revolver shots

[grand perch]

thats the intended experience!

[kind scarab]

Considering I only gave the poor boss backshots from a mile away, that went surprisingly well with the revolver

(on the zealot)

[dusty sluice]

has the ideal blessings on plas changed or is it still blaze and gets hot?

[kind scarab]

This is what's been recommended here a few times already

[dusty sluice]

ig its changed then :0

[faint beacon]

Tbf Zarona, Flamer, and Bolter are like the “Bread and Butter” ranged options for Zeal so you can’t really go wrong with them

Also local reminder to play Tac Axe

[kind scarab]

Oh yeah, I forgot to update my tax setup

[faint beacon]

Taxe 7

You can never go wrong with Taxe 7

[hollow ibex]

I don't think I've seen anyone else here that mains Mk4 lol

[faint beacon]

I used to cause it was funny spamming lights for horde clear

But after getting used to 7

7 is literally just better in every way

[hollow ibex]

4 is better because it doesn't hurt my hands

[wild vortex]

🙋

I too like to turn my brain off and mash light attack all game

[hollow ibex]

That makes two of us

[wild vortex]

I play it on Zealot though

very funny with Piety

permanent FoTF uptime, laugh at Crushers as you attack them 6 times for their 1 attack and cut them down like you're chopping a fat tree

[hollow ibex]

I still prefer taxe on zealot with martyrdom

Actually I prefer every weapon on zealot with martyrdom

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

[wheat stratus]

have to do that op loop with 7, if you don't know the loop you goofed 😌

[faint beacon]

You don’t reach Nirvana till you start looping H L out of PA

Shit feels so good doing with 7

[surreal gust]

Bro don’t got the pink name no more

Either that or discord is sharting itself again

[grand perch]

wish my name was green

[slim copper]

I think discord is having an issue since I seem to be having role trouble in more than one server

[surreal gust]

Yeah prob that

[slim copper]

Looks good to me now the red names just popped back in

[kind scarab]

Someone suggest 2 weapons (other than chainaxe) for me to make a meme build for and throw myself into a maelstrom

As well as a role: Support, Damage or CC

[tall torrent]

[tall torrent]

23 melee weapons left

[dry cloak]

good luck

[tall torrent]

hardest one might end up being tac axe 4

with 3 special attacks

[dry cloak]

thats a new one

first time hearing that

[tall torrent]

power sword 6 was hard because of its 2 special animations chaining into different attacks

and different light atks chain into different special animations

[wheat stratus]

who's this tanner person that just showed up on my feed

[tropic halo]

"Special developer request"

He will make 1-2 hours breaking down on ogryn class but he will do a 20mins and someone else

[tall torrent]

He’s already on a black list lol

[tropic halo]

He said a developer was on contact with him and told to be highly professional for his suggestion balance

https://tenor.com/view/plotting-cat-cat-meme-chinese-cat-feeder-cat-eating-gif-smug-cat-gif-11834773052453785635

[tall torrent]

He lies a lot

He’s been lying more consistently than being honest

[unborn fern]

I just saw that video it seemed like a joke or he just wants people to quit the game 🤣

[tropic halo]

Yeah I am not really believing much of his words anyway

[rose reef]

gamers who played rogue trader, was abelard in love with theodora

[narrow frost]

yes

[tame lodge]

Me with less than a hour:
Idk

I straight up got to Idira, fought with her
Learned that despite carrying a staff she still had a laspistol
Gave her a melee to wield with the pistol

Left to do important stuff

Haven't picked it back yet

The next step of course us to learn everything about the game mechanics

Then record an attempt of

Can you beat Rogue Trader with only Perils of the Warp

You know, just natural progression

[tall torrent]

I'll prob revisit rogue trader when I get pc

game looks abysmally low resolution for some reason

[wheat stratus]

that game has insane builds, quite a few character can solo wipe maps on Daring

[cedar reef]

im guessing the best way to get the 90% no ammo peneance is with a low ammo count slow firing weapon, is there aparticularly good one for it?

im not good enough to do it with any auto fire lol

[tall torrent]

Double barrel shotgun

[cedar reef]

oo good excuse to use it 😄

[normal bay]

And make sure you take off survivalist...

[hot nest]

I do this with the revolver in one game. Just didn't take Survivalist aura and take a look what aura other vets in party runs. Avoid or just leave them if they are use Surv aura.

[faint beacon]

I’m at work and I already know this will make me incredibly upset

Do I even bother looking at it when I’m home is the real question

[wanton dawn]

Ragewatch is still a view

[faint beacon]

True…

[hot nest]

Then why make vid about that in that manner and post it? What's the point?

Also he points on right think. As vet main I strongly agree with what thing should be nerfed or adjusted. but...
Big but. Why didn't make other auras skills or keystones just perform better on vet and didn't nerf it? It not fun to play with least garbage talents. And that's also true.
But nerfing 1/4 of the op talents is quicker that revamping 2/3 of the entire talents for devs.
And I think vet get the same attention to talent rework that ogryn has but maybe next year.

[faint beacon]

I will live in ignorance and still call whatever opinions they are abysmal dogshit

[tall torrent]

because he likes doing it lol

doesn't mean he's worth watching in any capacity

[narrow frost]

Attention

[wanton dawn]

Also ppl keep asking discord opinion on him for reason

[hot nest]

I don't care. I try to listen to everyone and arrive at something cohesive after comparing it with my own experience.

[wanton dawn]

If I need to listen to some incoherent ranting about something I put hours on, I rather get paid for it

[terse idol]

Its still possible with surv

[wanton dawn]

Otherwise I'd just watch the most popular tv channel of [insert your country] where uninteresting ppl are paid to talk about nothing for hours

[terse idol]

Like i did it with a revolver when another vet was trying to do it who brought surv and a bolt gun

What matters is that you put the gun away when you have 0 bullets

And then never take it out

(But yeeesss, no your advice is good)

[wanton dawn]

In any case, got my h40 of the week, back to hibernation

[sonic kayak]

If that's the one I think it is, I just chose a boltgun, went on an assassination mission, and just mag-dumped at the end

[hollow ibex]

I sure wish I had the time to care about what literally insane people think

[wanton dawn]

Aren't you the first to ask about the latest ranting of he-who-shall-not-be-named ?

[shadow dagger]

"how high accuracy, all ammo spent achievement hard"
looks inside
rapid fire, high ammo max guns

[faint beacon]

Kid named low ammo marksman weapons

[wanton dawn]

Ah, I distinctly remember the gun I used for this achievement

🧀 . It was 🧀

[faint beacon]

I used the

Agri shotgun?

Slug variant

[shadow dagger]

the 20 consecutive headshots penance was more difficult

and I knew about the brain burst cheese

[faint beacon]

God I was true level 50 when I did that

[shadow dagger]

[faint beacon]

Now I’m over 1k

Time flies LMAO

[hot nest]

Thats why its easy and not hard

[shadow dagger]

what

[hollow ibex]

Wdym lol. I never see tanner stuff unless it's posted here by someone else

[hot nest]

BB trivialize it still. But yeah, if not BB this will be so much harder

[wanton dawn]

Mhh, maybe I though about another basement dweller. That Is not me

[hot nest]

I think i have 7-8 kills on this headshot penance playing vet, before BB psyker

[shadow dagger]

shove into revolver headshot, repeat

or cooldown stim into double shout into lasering plogryn headshots

who cares

blast through it in 2 games max

[faint beacon]

I got Serial killer through locking in with Graia 7 VA and Exec stance

Though admittedly took ages to get

[tall torrent]

I locked in with MG12 way back lol

[faint beacon]

Back when MG12 was actually decent…

[quaint fern]

Anyone got a pic of skill tree for like a gunner build for the lancer

[latent parcel]

you ready to play with my buffed up ogryn on the 25th or what

[cedar reef]

on flawless execution not being downed, is getting traped or dog pounced count? or just when your hp is dropped and you go down?

[narrow frost]

hp to 0

[tame lodge]

What's a lancer

Plasma?

[quaint fern]

Isn't the laser gun called that I'm bad with the names tbh

[tame lodge]

We have the infantry laser gun
Laser pistol
Helbore
Recons

Then plasma but it's not really considered a laser weapon by the game

[quaint fern]

Recon I believe

[tame lodge]

Recons are full auto

[quaint fern]

Yea

It has like 160 shots

Again apologies bad with the names

[sharp epoch]

no shout wadaflip

[tame lodge]

You could drop that one modifier on the keystone for reciprocity

[sharp epoch]

wait does the left ability still drop on weapon switch now?

[tame lodge]

Nope

You can shoot
Swap to push a burster
Swap and keep shooting

Thx FS

The initial switch also procs weapon specialist

Thx FS

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[sharp epoch]

before was so bad 😭

thats why shredder was good bc it was its own push/stagger

[steep pier]

is mk1 vets best shovel?

[kind scarab]

You want the one that doesn't fold

It'll let you get away with bullying just about anything if you grab brutal momentum and rending on weakspot

[junior grail]

Any suggestion on an off-meta Vet build?

[kind scarab]

What do you consider meta, and I'll toss ya suggestions for something interesting

[ornate ivy]

Is the collateral actual shoot through stat? and does Stopping power do anything besides add ?

[hollow ibex]

cleave is prob what you're thinking of

and stopping power gives damage, don't ever dump it

[shadow dagger]

uhh

vet shovels cant get bromentum

[kind scarab]

I might be misremembering the name, but I know I have rending + ignore hitmass

Not at my computer to check exact names atm

I could also be misremembering that though. I'll wait till I'm home to double check. Only started playing again two days ago after a haitus since November.

[junior grail]

Meta now is recon, plasma and bolter I feel

[faint beacon]

there is no ignore hitmass unless you specifically using the helbore with hotshot which gives all melees you have equipped 50 cleave on weakspot hit

[kind scarab]

Double barrel SG + shovel, right capstone for free reload, stealth for objective / reorientation

[grand perch]

except its not really 50 cleave

[kind scarab]

Then I'm either confusing my blessing loadout for one of my other weapons, or I'm still hella sleep deprived

[faint beacon]

le .5 hitmass ignore instead but they called it fucking 50 cleave cause... fuck you thats why

god I hate their inconsistent blessing naming

[grand perch]

it is very stoopid

[kind scarab]

Probably both, seeing as I sleep anywhere between 4 -> 7 hours

[faint beacon]

I would fucking drink a monster but I'd rather just sleep in a few

[kind scarab]

(With naps through the day)

[faint beacon]

5 hours of sleep

[wanton dawn]

Not at midnight gmt2

[kind scarab]

Why you still awake US boi

Get some snoozes in

[faint beacon]

Cause I can

and I have today off

[kind scarab]

What about tomorrow though?

[wanton dawn]

Darktide is not good enough to destroy your sleep schedule over

[kind scarab]

Also, unrelated note, your name is slightly funny to me given I have a Portuguese friend called Galio

[faint beacon]

I Normally stay up till like 12-3 AM anyways lmao

[kind scarab]

I used to do the same, until I started my new job. Now I gotta be awake at 6am.

My last job I could sleep in till 2pm

[faint beacon]

My current job I dont work morning shifts and if I do I usually sleep early

but its usually mid to closing

[kind scarab]

I'm built for the night owl life, but I work with all these damn morning extroverts.

[faint beacon]

🚬

I get to enjoy being up late

[wanton dawn]

9 to 10 is the morning coffee break. Gotta hear the laest of the office politics

[kind scarab]

At least I get a decent amount of vacation days

[faint beacon]

yeah you're right we get worked to death here

you're lucky if you have 4 days by the end of the year

and you have to use them or they vanish

LMAO

[wanton dawn]

Oh, i need to put my vacation days

[faint beacon]

im taking my birthday off and thats it

[kind scarab]

Give I work as a teacher, every 6 weeks of work I get a week off

[faint beacon]

my vacations are very much, Stay at home

[wanton dawn]

I have 5.5 to use by may end

[kind scarab]

Can't complain

[stiff glacier]

Working 4 years in rotating weekly shifts is really something

Once im lumberjack i can make my own hours

[kind scarab]

Wait hold up

Lemme check the calendar

[faint beacon]

11/03/2025

or 03/11/2025

that is today at least for me

[kind scarab]

I'll have 2 more days of work after update us out, and then I can enjoy the update.

[faint beacon]

I'll be working day of the update unfortunately

[wanton dawn]

Personally i use my vacation to touch grass

[stiff glacier]

Like having one week be morning shift 6.00 to 14.00 and then nightshift starting on sunday 22.00 to 6.00 is awful

[faint beacon]

Nights into mornings are the fucking worse

[stiff glacier]

I hated evening shift most

14.00 to 22.00

Spending free time in morning felt so awful

Like im spending 5 hours preparing for work instead of unwinding

[kind scarab]

Pretty much same, +2 days

Plus side will be three day weekend for me

[faint beacon]

Unsure when I’ll be free then

[kind scarab]

Hopefully you'll have enough time to enjoy the update.

I know I really enjoyed the chaos wastes when it came out, hoping its the same for darktides chaos wastes 2 electric boogaloo

[sharp epoch]

woo

So many ogryns are doomposting on the reddit like didn't they get buffed hard

[kind scarab]

They got mostly buffed from what I read on the patchnotes

From all my math, this is a pretty big net positive for them

[stoic thorn]

Why is ogryn buff taking so long smh

[kind scarab]

I'll definitely enjoy playing oggy more now

[stoic thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[grand perch]

i just accidentlly took a heavy sword mk IX into a scab melee only mission. still had a bolter, but i dont think ive had to block cancel into heavy overhead so often ever before

[kind scarab]

Happy little accident

Good practice for your fingers

[grand perch]

every encounter looked like this

[kind scarab]

I'll watch it when I'm home, since my phones quota is ass

But I can picture it now already, and it's hilarious

[grizzled pebble]

To rub salt in the wound I just played that with ds4 no uncanny and it's so op Xd

[austere mica]

Heavy sword with no attack speed looks so weird

[grand perch]

Well it's a heavy sword. Maybe it's made of uranium unless you take trench fighter drill or something

[kind scarab]

I wish it was made of depleted uranium, if you swung it fast enough or it clashed hard enough you could seriously mess up the enemies with the vaporised death

[thorn lark]

Yes, like a death blow.

[uncut pebble]

You don't have to block cancel, just do h1 special loop for single target.

[grand perch]

Can't test right now but i feel like special is slower than bc

[uncut pebble]

It's not and it's more dps because you're attacking instead of block cancelling.

[dusty sluice]

Whats the skill tree for psword + zarona, or is that still even viable

[kind scarab]

Hard to go wrong with a PS

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-nuke-apocalypse-meme-gif-9579985

[kind scarab]

Us when the ogryns get the deep rock galactic mininukes for their blunderbuss

[dusty sluice]

Yeah, all my skill trrees got wipes since i last played so need to redo everything :(

Fun

[kind scarab]

Ah, I see you're using the extended loadout mod

That'd be why

I stuck to 5 loadouts for now, may god have mercy on my adhd soul

[dusty sluice]

I mean it has been a year and with all the skill tree changes sooo

[kind scarab]

That too will get you resets

[dusty sluice]

Is the ciag still very good?

[kind scarab]

Haven't tried it since November

But last I tried it, i liked it.

[tame lodge]

Name's Vraks now
But yeah, good

[dusty sluice]

Oh hiii again

I remember combat knife and ciag being very silly

Howcome they changed mark names?

[tame lodge]

FS changed names for some reason

[pseudo fiber]

We don't... know.

[tame lodge]

We don't really know why

[kind scarab]

They changed the names specifically to confuse me

Knowing damn well, I forget names all the time.

[pseudo fiber]

GW meddling or to line up with back end stuff or because it's funny you decide

Either way it's still the law bringer shotgun to me damn it

[tame lodge]

Eviscerator 2 became Eviscerator 3

[kind scarab]

Don't even ask me how I remember people's names here.

They get simplified sometimes in horrible ways.

[dusty sluice]

I still remember plenty of names after a year when i see them

[tame lodge]

FS do be trolling though

[kind scarab]

I'm a visual guy. I remember faces and pfps over everything else.

[tame lodge]

Old Columnus (Ciag, the meta pick) became Vraks
Old Graia (least played) became Columnus

💀

[dusty sluice]

Real, did the plas blessings change much or is it still blaze away/gets hot

[dusty sluice]

Ciag still meta? :0

[kind scarab]

Pretty sure i sent you a pic yesterday when I was on the computer

I forgot what was on it tho

[dusty sluice]

I might hqve demenatida

[kind scarab]

Need more ram

[tame lodge]

The now Vraks 5 yeah

[dusty sluice]

Its kidna a shame how my pre-crafting update gear is basically worthless

[kind scarab]

It really isn't.

You can use it to level up your mastery, and as long as the max ranges are correct you can just make them perfect

That's what I'm currently doing

that being said I just finished work and I'm on my bus home, so imma have a small catnap for the next hour.

[dusty sluice]

Atleast nobody else has to spend 600+ hours rolling hwsords now

[placid swan]

After checking the build website and returning rather empty handed, is there a classic Cadian Shock Trooper build guide relatively updated that someone could refer me to? Non-meta is completely fine.

[grand perch]

What's a classic cadian shock trooper to you

[dusty sluice]

Is there a generic build base for vet?

[grand perch]

#veteran-class message

[dusty sluice]

How did the tree even change?

[tame lodge]

One Motion replaced Vanguard

In other words
More draw speed replaced less stamina consumed while sprinting

[kind scarab]

Man, I needed that nap

[unreal nova]

Also, explain how you mangle names.

[dusty sluice]

Is that it?

[placid swan]

Lasgun focused. Mid-far ranged build.

[kind scarab]

Look, my brain just defaults to the closest thing that fits the name I see or the pfp

[unreal nova]

Still, I'm asking how does it end up?

[kind scarab]

Well, you ended up Karen

For example

[wild vortex]

You're talking as though the difference between 70% and 80% damage is game breaking for the average auric game

[placid swan]

Thank you! I'll try it out

[tame lodge]

Ghost+Reciprocity

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-yo-gif-26891796

[kind scarab]

Now that I'm off the work call, a few examples of names my head defaults to funny things would be Karen, BJ, FM, TicTac, Quigon, King (not even close), etc

[unreal nova]

Funny joke is, while this is a real name that I found out much later. I made it from that.

[placid swan]

Does Ghost trigger the dodge condition for Crit chance?

[uncut pebble]

Iirc the only thing ghost triggers for dodges is duck and dive.

[kind scarab]

Now hopefully no one connects the dots on the names I messed up

[placid swan]

Im thinking Longshot is avoided due to this being a L4D zombie horde kinda game?

[kind scarab]

Longshot doesn't give as much results as one would hope at higher difficulties because of how damn close everything is to you

[unreal nova]

Honestly. Is gayming, ppl just take them as typos.

[kind scarab]

But if you run something like the power that gives you wallhacks and shoot enemies from a mile away, it's more useful

[grand perch]

It's nicknamed longshit

[unreal nova]

It works only on very low diff.

[tame lodge]

looks inside
Killzone

You can swap for opening salvo

Since this is basically CRIT infinite ammo build

[kind scarab]

Killzone is SUCH A BADLY DESIGNED PERK

Like GOD DAMN

Like bro this is a horde shooter, wtf you mean no enemies near you

WHEN

In the game journalist difficulty?

While you're in the elevators?

[unreal nova]

Sedation.

[kind scarab]

Yes, Because it fuck'n sedates me

[unreal nova]

You literally have empty maps at that point.

[placid swan]

If Im not focusing grenade perks is the 1 grenade a minute worth it?

[kind scarab]

Yes

[unreal nova]

You always want that.

[kind scarab]

I almost always have that on my build if I can fit it.

Free grenades is huge

[unreal nova]

The rest is just for boomies.

[wild vortex]

There is never ever a time in the entirety of Darktide where that talent is not worth it

[placid swan]

Thanks for all the replies by the way. Really appreciate it.

[unreal nova]

Think about it. Free 17-24 'nades in an avg damnation run.

[placid swan]

Do Cadian backstories get a cool voice line for Voice of Command?

[unreal nova]

Only if you use cutthroat.

[placid swan]

I feel like Im making more of a lore character than a meta.

[kind scarab]

The things I would do to my friends darktide voicelines if I could get access to their computer

[unreal nova]

Otherwise, they get the general For Terra! stuff.

[placid swan]

Is 'For the Emperor' interchangable with Keep Their Heads down? Or is supression on enemies broken?

[kind scarab]

Lemme check the tree again, I don't remember perk names, just what they do

[placid swan]

Bonus dmg to teammates around me vs +50% ranged attack supression

I would think that negating some of the dmg of ranged guys shooting at my team could be more beneficial to nearby dmg boost.

[kind scarab]

Ohhhh you mean the one you proc on using your ability

Yeah nah, on higher difficulties that uptime on attack suppression is way more valuable I'd argue

Most people at higher difficulties already have their breakpoints hit without you giving them an extra 10% anyway

(And it only lasts 5 seconds that you cant guarantee they'll make use of)

[placid swan]

Alright! I think I've personalized it. Time to scream Cadia Stands at bad guys

Mk IX still the goat or is it dealers preference?

[tame lodge]

Got Power crept on

Will use Opening Salvo and Ghost instead of Headhunter

[placid swan]

Would I be correct in assuming for helping horde clear that the Mk VII w/ Ghost/Headhunter would be viable instead of getting into the dogpile?

And a Mk VII Tactical Axe for armored foes?

[dusty sluice]

Im not sure it is now, but what are the weapons/meeles to avoid now?

I used to know

[kind scarab]

Avoid Chainaxe

Ezpz

Shotguns aren't the best but you can certainly make builds to compliment them

chainaxe is the only thing I consider truly unrecoverable because of the sticky attacks unless you're deranged enough to play around them

[dry cloak]

chainaxe is certainly better on zealot

[kind scarab]

Zealot is special tho

[normal bay]

Chainaxe slander

[kind scarab]

Ain't slander if it's true

[unreal nova]

Good chainaxe use is something.

[kind scarab]

If someone is still getting back into the game, and is asking for what to avoid. I'm not going to give them the equivilant of nunchucks, give'em the ole thumbs up and watch them hurt themselves

[normal bay]

Spam lights at elites, EZ

But alright, probably not a beginner or rusty build lol

[kind scarab]

You can only spam lights if you're on the right mark

[steep flower]

Did someone say CHAINAXE!?

[kind scarab]

Or else you gotta spam heavies

Cause they have reversed sticky attacks

[grand perch]

youd think so but they have horrible damage vs carapace

check the pinned guide and get yourself a rashad combat axe

[steep flower]

If you spec into crits & + caparace (yes i know, unorthodox) then it is okay-ish againts the big bois

If you crit that is

Otherwise great for crowd management

Perfect for range focused builds

As a defensive tool + its mobility is ok; can sprint with it easy

[grand perch]

the dude asked for a melee that can deal with armored on a ranged focussed build

dont take tac axe

with more experience, sure

tac axe sprint isnt even particularily fast. you run faster with any sort of pistol out, which is really odd and should be changed

[steep flower]

I meant sprint cost mostly

[steep flower]

I mean if he is a vet with a rapid firing auto weapon he could use onslaught and take the tac axe for defence easily

Or any range weapon that deals with armor

[grand perch]

hes doing a lore focused lasgun build

[steep flower]

Aaahhh

Then not the best choice no

If its infantry that is

[dusty sluice]

HEYYY

[steep flower]

WTF wdym avoid chainaxe!?

[steep flower]

Why?

[steep flower]

Thank you for bringing this to my attention my friend; heres rashuns

[steep flower]

I wanna show you how its done mah man with me chainaxe

[dusty sluice]

I love chaxe :3

Ig its kinda got powercrept thou

[kind scarab]

Like I already said, I ain't telling someone who's coming back or brand new to use the dang chainaxe

Too much juggling to get back into the swing of things

[steep flower]

That was a gud 1

[steep flower]

Fair enough; chainaxe is a thinking mans weapon

[dusty sluice]

If i were to recreate my old builds (worked aroumd the time bolt pistol was added), how vaible would they be (they were mostly the meta skill trees at the time)

[steep flower]

We should play together and pull our chainaxes together

[kind scarab]

Science time, do it and find out

Touching chainaxes sounds hmmmm

dubious

[dusty sluice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1163040688385040446/1169340797964005451/IMG_5730.gif

[steep flower]

What? 2 chainaxes are better than 1

[dusty sluice]

Real

[steep flower]

Very loud? Cause they rev alot

[dusty sluice]

I wonder if my chaxe spreadsheets are still valid

[kind scarab]

Probably are

[frank basin]

And what you and fmis gonna rev together?

[steep flower]

Armor and bosses

[frank basin]

[dusty sluice]

I remeber you

From your pfp

[frank basin]

What about me?

What’s special am I?

[steep flower]

Bord

[frank basin]

Maybe

(Tru)

[steep flower]

But ye my chainaxe offer will remain open; jokes aside

[frank basin]

rizz riff

[dusty sluice]

I mean it would be nice to play with someone to relearn tbf lol

[steep flower]

My rizz is just like chainaxes revv; it pulls out fast, its very loud, does devastating dmg and does not last that long

[frank basin]

Can it be like “can you be my chainaxe? because your noise revving scaring heretic away”

[dusty sluice]

Lmao

[steep flower]

Thats 2 gud

[frank basin]

[dusty sluice]

Why do people hate ds so much?

[pallid jetty]

op

[tame lodge]

Extremely good single target
Safe horde management
Really mobile

[pallid jetty]

op

[dusty sluice]

Surely with other blessings it can be fine right?

[pallid jetty]

there are 3 usable blessings

or even 2

[dusty sluice]

Thats what i mean

Not using the “meta blessings”

Bc it seems fun

[pallid jetty]

then... idk

who even played ds without rending blessing

[tame lodge]

It won't fix the horde clearing problem but go on

[dry cloak]

i did mastering it up the old fashioned way

[tame lodge]

Like Relentless Strike isn't meta but it's strong

[dry cloak]

thrust + rampage

[dusty sluice]

What are the normal blessing/perk picks?

[dry cloak]

for what?

[dusty sluice]

Ds

[pallid jetty]

carapace unyelding

[dry cloak]

picking anything else

[pallid jetty]

rending on weakspot + whatever i think

[dry cloak]

ds4 will corrupt your soul

[pallid jetty]

i like infinite dodging

[dry cloak]

and you will look like dreg bruiser

[pallid jetty]

but i dont like ds anyway and havent played with it for a few months so i dont remember what is the meta for it\

op weapons are not fun

[placid swan]

Cadian Shock Troopers used shovels too right?

[dusty sluice]

So uh

I forgot nvm

[tame lodge]

They do learn how to dig trenches

[steep flower]

Why use DS when you can use chainaxe for armor? Ofc horde clear is gonna be worse but the extra stun that chainaxe provides saved from many overheads in my playtime both me and my teammates

Not to mention insane dmg againts bosses

And bleed stacks

(Srsly; 16 stacks on 1 attack that you don’t even need to finish is borderline underaprecierted)

[silver trellis]

Why use DS at all

[steep flower]

Cause its easy… and does alot of damage

Thats a quote from a meme btw

[silver trellis]

I dont really like the DS

The horde control is horrid

[steep flower]

Shred helps with that

[tame lodge]

No no the horde control is decent, 4.5 cleave on lights stagger bunch of stuff
Horde clear is bad

Because of the Cleave Damage Distribution, your best bet at clearing hordes is killing one groaner or walker per swing

Staggering 5 groaners or 4 walkers is huge

[trim badger]

It just does everything

And doesn't really have any downside

The closest thing to a downside is horde clear and even then it's solid

[silver trellis]

Inb4 Mauler horde

[trim badger]

That's not exactly a horde

[tame lodge]

That's just heavy spam time

[kind scarab]

^

[trim badger]

Like I say this as someone who uses DS 95% of the time, it's just broken lol

I get around 700-900 headshot kills every havoc 40 game

[vestal widget]

feels bad to play a clunky weapon that does one thing "well" and the ds4 is a lot better at doing that one thing and also does everything else well

[trim badger]

I think the easiest way to nerf ds/knife is to just nerf the rending blessings and remove agile

Precog and uncanny are the 2 main ones that need nerfing

Then also Riposte

After that just nerf the special attack to not stagger crushers while they're doing an overhead

[vestal widget]

i kinda wonder what would happen if you gave it a lot less damage base and more finesse and required ppl to hit headshots always to get good performance

[trim badger]

As a bonus buff the other 2 duelling sword overhead strikedowns

[trim badger]

99% of my hits are headshots

It wouldn't change a thing for me

It would still be OP

[vestal widget]

the average player in aurics has a lot lower headshot % tho, assuming scoreboard is vaguely accurate

like most players seem like 50-60% ish

[trim badger]

Well yeah but I don't think allowing players to mow through havoc 40 easily just cuz they have a good headshot rate is ideal either

[vestal widget]

you'd need to combine it with the other nerfs

to some degree or another

still surprised that uncanny on knives/ds didn't get a change this patch

[tame lodge]

DS shares the same critical/weakspot adm
If you buff the Finesse part, you'd just build full CRIT DS and kinda don't care where you hit as long as you crit

[vestal widget]

oof, point

[trim badger]

Even then if we could theorically make it a beast as long as you keep hitting headshots

It would probably still be an issue

[tame lodge]

Funny, we want to nerf ds but we don't have a consensus on how

[trim badger]

So yeah as I said just nerf precog/uncanny, remove Agile, nerf riposte

Buff the strikedown overheads of the other duelling swords

[tame lodge]

Idk about removing Agile, it's kinda of a whatever blessing already
Yes it gives you infinite dodges but you can just stop dodging for 0.85 seconds (or less with talents) and get the same results

[trim badger]

I ger that, I just believe Agile is unhealthy for the game

It would allow people in Havoc 40 to just spam dodges to be mega safe

[vestal widget]

yeah idk if anyone i know plays agile but i don't like it existing per se

[tame lodge]

I do want to see agile or poor mobility weapons though

[trim badger]

Me personally I don't like that

[tame lodge]

Not on taxes and ds

[trim badger]

Now THIS would be good

[trim badger]

I don't think it existing on tac axe is an issue

It's just on DS being an issue with how easy it is to score headshots

Damn this makes me sad because I JUST started playing with the knife

And the fact that if DS is nerfed knife will probably too makes me sad

[grand perch]

I don't see why ds became an all class weapon anyway

Should've stayed restricted to psyker, it was fine there

[hollow ibex]

why would knife be nerfed

[thorn lark]

it was not really fine lol

[grand perch]

Don't know what to do about it now, but I suppose it would be funny to give it psword levels of mobility and dodges

[hollow ibex]

it was balanced because psykers didn't use melee back then lol

[thorn lark]

it's because most psykers are just bad at melee and want to stay behind a staff in a bubble

[hollow ibex]

so nobody knew DS was op

[thorn lark]

like taxe

[grand perch]

Sanguinis would still be alive had he had a tac axe

[tame lodge]

Idk bout that one

If he was running a CRIT build then maybe

Maybe

[radiant chasm]

a few did

mostly multiclassers, specifically zealot

scriers DD ds4 was insane

[hollow ibex]

yeah obviously didn't mean literally nobody

but DS def flew under the radar

because psyker moment

[pseudo fiber]

Because psyker players can't play melee

Yet they all still used it rhmmmm

[frank basin]

I’m pretty much meme build

Turn into like

[trim badger]

It's OP on psyker

Psyker players being bad at melee back then did not justify how powerful the DS was

[frank basin]

If there isn’t ds they gonna use deimos force sword

[trim badger]

Cuz it's also OP, just covered by DS at the moment

[frank basin]

All it was uncanny fault

[trim badger]

Oh yeah I agree

Uncanny, Precog and Riposte are like the main things

[frank basin]

Uncanny bypass armor enemies

Specially crushers

Or mauler

Too much rending

You get 120 rending damage on 5 stack

Against armor

[hollow ibex]

how so

and precog are riposte are fine

it's uncanny that's stupid busted

[trim badger]

Wdym how so it has almost the same damage profile as DS, with even better mobility due to heavy tech

[hollow ibex]

i've played with both a lot, and knife is still a far shot from the DS's damage potential

especially in actual match conditions

DS is just totally braindead to use, whereas knife actually requires a bit more thought due to how short the range is

[trim badger]

In actual match conditions I normally get similar damage on both, with DS being the higher one ofc

[trim badger]

Now now knife not being braindead does not mean it doesn't triumphs over every other option other than DS

[hollow ibex]

it's way easier to solo a crusher pack with DS than it is knife

[hollow ibex]

lol it doesn't

the only thing where knife has a clear advantage is mobility

in terms of sheer damage output, PS and rashad shit all over it

[kind scarab]

I need to atone for some great sins, by absolutely running a meme build and doing well with it

[steep pier]

Some guy named load pumper only has undies on in game

[acoustic carbon]

Is there an unmentioned cooldown for the ''Close Quarters Killzone'' ? Testing it on Psykhanium. I'm constantly using my ability within 5 seconds to see if it refreshes itself each time it's used, like the ''Duty and Honour'' (Golden toughness) refreshes. But Close quarters Killzone didn't stack; infact, it didn't show up at the bottom after constantly using Voice of Command. After about a minute passed, upon using the Voice of Command, I saw Close quarters killzone at the bottom. Didn't understand what happened there. What you think?

[tall torrent]

HUD display is bugged (especially when there’re too many buffs active at once)

For the case of CQKZ

It doesn’t refresh its duration if activated consecutively

[grand perch]

Same with focus targets damage buff

[tall torrent]

It stacks indefinitely

So if u spam CQKZ every second for 10s, you have +150%Ndmg

Each stack is its own 15s duration

They don’t interact

It’s like confirmed kill

Marksman works the same way

[tame lodge]

[acoustic carbon]

I figured as such. Still, looked bizarre not seeing it at the bottom of the screen.

Initially, I've had ''Target Down!'', but replaced the node with CQKZ instead. Will benefit me better & more as I mostly melee.

[kind scarab]

Please tell me you took a screenshot

[tame lodge]

So
There's this mod

[steep pier]

I did

[tame lodge]

You won't find it on Nexus

[kind scarab]

I remember spawning in once back during launch with no clothes on and an Ogryn helmet on my psyker

[acoustic carbon]

How ''close'' is close damage? Any certain data regarding that?

[kind scarab]

I can't imagine where I left that image

[tame lodge]

12.5 meters

[steep pier]

Thats him

[kind scarab]

Thank you, I'm going to send that image to a friend now

[steep pier]

Lol

[acoustic carbon]

That's good. Thanks.

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/mean-cat-cat-fu-gif-23644413

To that naked vet

Of course mf has the knife

[steep pier]

He died

[tropic halo]

Ragequit after?

[steep pier]

No

[tropic halo]

Damn would have been funny though

[steep pier]

But ogryn spammed pick up and stop on him

[tropic halo]

[kind scarab]

Oh no, poor pumper

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-stk-oryx-warhammer-40k-darktide-gif-1008995370648065976

[hollow ibex]

100% damage to 12.5m, then scaling down to 0% from 12.5 to 30m

so it's way stronger than peopple expect lol

[kind scarab]

Well, I guess pumper deserved it

He killed my friend

😔

Made'em laugh too hard

[acoustic carbon]

hah, it appears so! Good to know. It's a shame it's only written as ''Close'' damage. Need more details..

[hollow ibex]

Yeah there's a lot of poorly explained shit in this game

[tall torrent]

30m

Max effectiveness up to 12.5m

Linear falloff towards 0% between 12.5 and 30m

[tame lodge]

close damage
Looks inside
30 meters

[grand perch]

longshot enjoyers crying in the corner

[kind scarab]

Longshot enjoyers crying in the horde

[grand perch]

you can still shoot stuff thats far aways while someone is relocating your face into your guts

https://tenor.com/view/happy-halloween-gif-18812671

[kind scarab]

I'm not flexible enough to survive my face being relocated to between my legs tyvm

I'll stick to dancing around in the horde while taking potshots

[floral token]

The penance "on overwatch" is bugged I just done it took zero melee damage but didn't get it

[kind scarab]

Shouldn't be bugged.

But last time I did it, I had to avoid taking any hp damage in general

Toughness was fine.

[floral token]

I never took any hp damage

Mission difficulty was on malice too

Just didnt get it

[orchid hemlock]

What difficulty where you on?

[kind scarab]

Malice supposedly

[orchid hemlock]

Are u sure?

[floral token]

Yup

The dog and the running dude didn't get me either

[tall torrent]

I can help u do it rn if u want

[floral token]

You think trying it again might help?

[tall torrent]

I’ll just do it for u

[floral token]

Wdym?

[tall torrent]

U jump off map at start & die, I finish the mission without reviving you

Game will consider you as never having taken any melee health damage

[floral token]

I thought that was patched?

[tall torrent]

No, still works

[floral token]

Oh

Sure then

[tall torrent]

What’s ur friend code

Are u on rn?

[floral token]

was Invisible

[tall torrent]

Did u miss a digit or smth

[floral token]

Try now

[tall torrent]

It’s not working

I think you missed a digit

[floral token]

OOOH on darktide MB i thought you meant steam

4219801824

[kind scarab]

Emperor bless my devil claw for i'm boutta do some real stupid shit

[wanton dawn]

Sounds like charity work

Free cheese everyone ! Free cheese !

[tall torrent]

Am stuck in loading screen now lol

[floral token]

F

I got it thank you

May I ask what build you use?

[tall torrent]

It’s not for havoc

[floral token]

Thank you

[kind scarab]

Ran into a Psyker that was so fucking locked in

The man literally killed everything before most people got a chance to even reach it

It was both enjoyable to have an actually good Psyker, but also MY GRENADES

[dry cloak]

give me your kraks

theyre yummy

[kind scarab]

No

I need them for when all the carapace are doing the chimichanga rapidly in my direction

[dry cloak]

but kraks yum

taste like grox meat

but hot

[steep pier]

Random auric psykers are useless they don't bring the shield and just die

[kind scarab]

The one I went into right now got bubble, smite staff, dueling sword

and rocked the shit out of anything that moved

[steep pier]

Smite is trash

It ruins zealot setups

[kind scarab]

Not the blitz, the staff

[steep pier]

okay

[kind scarab]

I think he had BB

Though he didn't ever actively use it

[tall torrent]

BB only exists for KF

[kind scarab]

Either way, he got removed pretty much everything before I ever got the chance to react

Both impressive and disappointing. So many wasted grenades.

I was lucky to have like ~50 elite kills in the one category compared to his 120

[faint beacon]

its more like they run EP Smite

and make the game the most boring fucking match you've ever played in your entire time

EP Smite Gameplay:

🛌

[steep pier]

No they keep dieing

[kind scarab]

I'm terrible with names, what's EP again?

[bleak cradle]

EK staff on regular gameplay. Better than most gun classes. Cause it auto aims for you

[faint beacon]

Enhanced Psyionics keystone

buffs Smite

[ornate ivy]

I started running a no nade gen build and holy moly do i itch for nades constantly

[kind scarab]

Oh yeah, Enhanced Psy

[ornate ivy]

them things are the emperors fent

[kind scarab]

Grenades are lovely.

Can't go without them.

That Psyker is making me regret leveling mastery on my gear and not going revolver

I felt so underwhelming by comparison, sure I picked up people like 8 times, but the kills tho

[ornate ivy]

They should swap smoke nades to something regenable, kinda like how ogryn has rock and zealot has knives

or fix the code

[kind scarab]

We already have lots of grenade regen perks

Grenades on kill, grenades on timer, grenades on loot, grenades on ammo box

[ornate ivy]

oooo, impact nades that are like baby frags and you get base 4/ easier to throw

nice little patrol tenderizer

[kind scarab]

Frags are already pretty "soft" in terms of damage.

An impact grenade feels like it'd be even more underwhelming.

I'd much rather we get another CC option since our smoke CC would be lost.

[faint beacon]

Kid named Shredder

I refuse to take Smoke slander

[ornate ivy]

we already have stun nades for zealot

[faint beacon]

Smokes are genuinely a good choice just mfers want their instant satisfaction kill buttons

[kind scarab]

Oh don't worry, I'm not slandering smoke grenades. I like them in certain situations.

[ornate ivy]

all im saying, is i dont want to download mods to see through them

[faint beacon]

Now my question is how do you use them

[faint beacon]

Walk into the smoke

it lessens the cloud

[kind scarab]

And those situations are a 4man with friends that damn well listen

[faint beacon]

I use them in pubs all the time

have people bitch about it even when I mark where im tossing it

and save them from hound packs LMAO

[kind scarab]

I can't trust pub people, they rush past the smoke and get shit on

[faint beacon]

ungrateful fucks

[kind scarab]

Then complain about smoke not letting them see

[faint beacon]

Smoke User etiquette mark where you're gonna throw it

[ornate ivy]

i try my best not to bitch ingame. i usually seeth silently

[kind scarab]

I pretty much just some the "entry" point for large squads of enemies, so that the ranged fucks holding spots behind the actual melee wave don't have line of sight and have to push up to us

[faint beacon]

Fun Fact

[kind scarab]

Unless ofc I'm with friends in which case, we grab a killzone smoke ourselves in and deal with it

[thorn lark]

I like smoke. It's like I am larping being a njnja

[faint beacon]

you can throw smokes on a Gunner pack

to force them to disperse

cause once inside smoke they immediately resort to trying to get out of it

Had a few incidents where that has helped instead of tossing it at your feet

usually when you're pushing into a Gunner pack

[kind scarab]

I've never really tossed it at my feet before, worst case scenario I'd toss it at a friend who got their ass dropped so I can pick them up without getting burst down from whatever is holding the angle he's at

[faint beacon]

Toss it on people who are being shot at

toss it at your feet if you know the gunner/shooters are now aiming at you

Hound Horde modifier?

the stinger goes off?

wait a second till you hear them

toss it at your feet, now they cant do anything

LMAO

Smokes are so fucking stupid

[kind scarab]

Wait, dogs can't get you through smoke?

[faint beacon]

Nope

breaks their tracking

[kind scarab]

I was not aware of this.

[faint beacon]

Smokes are one of the hardest counters to hound modifiers

[heavy rover]

I understand the tactical advantage of smokes.

However, hahaha bleed stacks go brrrrrrrt

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent Can you send the guide snippet of the smoke blitz

and @ Doc with it

seeing thats a better way to explain how it works vs me vaugely summarizing it

[kind scarab]

I appreciate the enthusiastic summary, it sold me on the blitz I was already a fan of

Oh yeah, I remember now the one gripe I had with the smoke grenades.