veteran-class

[charred mist]

right yes i did think my kit isn’t really scaling past heresy i guess its skill and i still have no idea how this game works only figured out how toughness works yesterday lol

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, just don't beat yourself up. There's a lot to learn.

[charred mist]

i think it protects you from ranged damage but only partially from melee depending on how full it is idk

[forest scaffold]

Essentially

[charred mist]

it’s weird sometimes it takes lots of health hp

[charred mist]

oh cool

[gaunt anchor]

I am still kinda in damnation mainly

[forest scaffold]

Toughness under 100% is just % damage reduction into health

[gaunt anchor]

still got a lot to learn

[forest scaffold]

100% toughness is 100% DR to melee attacks

and then it starts scaling once you lose toughness

[charred mist]

i see

yes tbf i did damnation at like level 25 it might be okay now but idk

[forest scaffold]

You know, assuming you're not trying to eat a crusher overhead with 100% toughness(Don't)

[charred mist]

it’s not the specials i usually nuke them with the plasma it’s the little guys with axes

idk how to cc

[forest scaffold]

Ragers?

[charred mist]

i just spam shove block and swing

[charred mist]

no the regular guys

not special enemies

[forest scaffold]

Bruisers?

[narrow frost]

ragers

[charred mist]

no the default enemies not scabs

the hordes

[forest scaffold]

Ragers are the elites with axes

[gaunt anchor]

Dregs

[crimson pebble]

chat he might be cooked

[forest scaffold]

I mean they're also new

so I don't really expect them to know enemy names yet

The horde enemies with axes are poxwalkers

[gaunt anchor]

What melee weapon have you been using @charred mist

[native robin]

They all end with -er making it confusing.
Except Bulwarks and Hounds

[gaunt anchor]

Generally I remember the enemy factions via
Scabs have flak
Dregs have yellow

[forest scaffold]

I have 1700 hours but I am starting to forget some of the basic stuff lmao - but for a long time I just knew which enemy was what specifically, and that's ideally the goal

Knowing each enemy and what armor type they have so you immediately know where to aim is super important

[gaunt anchor]

I tend to keep a back log of mental notes for enemies.

Maulers always fuck me to though

[forest scaffold]

(Its almost always the head, but Maulers are chesty shooty hitty boys cause carapace head)

[gaunt anchor]

REAL

I always go for the head and maulers just cackld

[forest scaffold]

flamers were made interesting where you can shoot their backpack

if they're in a group of enemies

WHY NO FLAK FLAMER FATSHARK

HES WEARING BLACK ARMOR LIKE THE SCAB FACTION

WHERE FLAK ARMOR

[crimson pebble]

i think bomber also no flak

despite same armor

[forest scaffold]

for a long time bomber was only flak no?

I dunno

[crimson pebble]

maybe iv mixed it up

[forest scaffold]

One of those "forgetting simple things" things

I haven't played darktide in a hot minute

[gaunt anchor]

Scab bomber has flak

Flak chest and legs

Like his model shows

[stoic thorn]

Carapace flamers.

[analog mural]

I'll do you one better. Carapace mutants

[winter sluice]

and when they throw they aim for ledges

[tame lodge]

That amount of armor shouldn't be moving that fast

But then it wouldn't be silent

Aaaaaaaaa

[grand perch]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

ah, the melodious sounds of mutant waves modifier

[serene bough]

Chill mutants beats to relax and study to

[steep flower]

Have you seen mobility tests for late medieval period armor? They move as they were lightweight despite all that plate

And in modern army you’re suppose to carry alot in combat

[tame lodge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Jn8fB3CS1ho?si=VgzFNJUIe44WUsLS

But Karapace armor when

Waaaaaagh summon the Boyz

[charred mist]

chain sword for awhile the rev is good for armoured guys and has decent cleave but now power sword

[charred mist]

ohhhh yes those

elites are okay i just incinerate them with the plasma lol

[plucky tapir]

Any tips of helbore rifle vet?

Will take buikd suggestions, currently copying the kreigsman build but i dont like the shovel

[grand perch]

you could do something like this if youre up for glasscannon gameplay

(replace hotshot with weight of fire)

[plucky tapir]

I prefer something more balanced , this particular lasgun has a cleave melee instead of stabby stab right?

[grand perch]

yup

[vernal harbor]

carapace mutant waves

[steep flower]

Could be done better

[deep bone]

Should I run Infernus of the Infantry LasGun

[steep flower]

His build is meh in some parts too

[steep flower]

Not the best choice

[deep bone]

I am running the Kantreal Mk. IIb

The fast firing one

[plucky tapir]

I guess stuff thats important to me is VOC, balanced, quick and versatile. I know the helbore is slow and i wud have to animation cancel sometimes

[grand perch]

and how, praytell?

[steep flower]

On a phone sadly; hard to share stuff but soon will go home

In like 2h

[deep bone]

What would be the best Traits for the rapid fire infantry las

[iron atlas]

what is the difference buying weapon from brunt armory or sire melk requisitorium? i prefer from brunt since upgrading it is cheaper (i hv abundance of currency), while from sire melk is somewhat limited currency, well of course from sire melk is guaranteed transcendent quality and always max power 500

[steep flower]

Melk boi is primarily used for curio aquisition

Brunt is best for weapons and he has 2 curios each hour

[silver plank]

what stat should i dump on the chainsword and what should i build it?

[steep flower]

Mobility

[steep flower]

Wrath is quite mandatory, bloodletter is my personal choice for second blessing (why would you pass on 14 stacks of DoT on 1 hit?)

[tame lodge]

Flak Maniacs

[silver plank]

thx, what are the combos for hordes and one for single targets

[tame lodge]

Depends on your mark

Mk4 is just heavies for hordes

13g is push attack light heavy

[iron atlas]

stat dump to combat knife? i like running around and kiting enemy

[tame lodge]

Or was it push attack heavy light

Then you'd loop light heavy

[vernal trench]

Pops willy

[tame lodge]

The alternative is getting Shred Wrath on the 13g and light spamming hordes

[unreal nova]

Mobility.

[vernal trench]

Karryin

[unreal nova]

Nu, shush.

[iron atlas]

so perk for combat blade is sprint efficiency and +2 stamina?

[unreal nova]

Wot. You go flak and elite/maniac/cara or something.

Pretty sure it's maniac or elite. I have cara just because extreme hatred for crushers.

[steep flower]

Karien does not like being squished

[unreal nova]

Until death+corruption resist. I do NAWT enjoy being squished. Unlike you guys insta bleping.

[iron atlas]

why the cosmetic of combat blade mastery looks shit?

even the default looks menacing

[unreal nova]

Just buy the khorne red one from the commissary or summthing.

[tame lodge]

Sharp Candy Cane

[steep flower]

Wdym it is like a peppermint candy cane but not gay

[tame lodge]

Where's Waldo looking ass knife

[steep flower]

Cause its straight

[iron atlas]

the color looks gay, even the shape

its like butter knife, not combat

[steep flower]

W r y gay

[iron atlas]

yuo r gey

[steep flower]

Y ar a transgendah

Love that meme

[iron atlas]

where is this? using aquilas? nope

[steep flower]

No the general store next to her stall

[iron atlas]

yeah, thats why i using mr simon pict

[steep flower]

You can buy simple skins for ordo coins

[iron atlas]

fire waste and crucis nightshade, yeahh a lot better than candy cane

[steep flower]

Nightshade best

[unreal nova]

Is why I said to just get those.

[iron atlas]

i swear, only combat blade skin is gey, other mastery skin is better looking

[iron atlas]

[tame lodge]

Idk
Crusher is a lollipop

[steep flower]

There is also twitch skin

[iron atlas]

W R U Geh

[unreal nova]

Am gay, have gf... so.

[iron atlas]

dont care, gey R GEY

[steep flower]

[unreal nova]

Yes and?

[iron atlas]

my opinion stand, so?

[steep flower]

Straight you should add

[unreal nova]

I use the khorne red one and am gay. So there.

[iron atlas]

no i refer to the statement u said abt "have gf", you are she/her, not about using/having red camo khorne means gay

i misspoke/misunderstand

[grand perch]

Lucius MK IIIa Helbore Lasgun / Lucius MK V Helbore Lasgun

Minimum windup time from Start Special attack to Special Light Stab from 0 to 0.1.
Chain time from Special Light Stab to Start Special attack from 0.575 to 0.635.

no buff for IV slash bayonet, sad

[tame lodge]

Can't be good at everything

[tropic halo]

This will be more fun for Psword

[unreal nova]

Oh that. Yeah. Is fine lul.

[plucky tapir]

Is this a buff?

Melee speed applies to special attks now righg?

[steep flower]

Looks like a lil nerf

[steep flower]

The worst one of the all 3 untouched lmao

But ye thats sad…

[plucky tapir]

To incentivize experimenting with them, we changed so that attack speed buffs will now affect these Special melee attacks.

I think they nerfed becuz of this

So lowkey buff?

[steep flower]

They were such a nishe pick to begin with…

[tame lodge]

worst
Hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game
Better iron sights than 3 or 5

[plucky tapir]

I wud imagine the stabby thing

Wud be even faster now

[iron atlas]

the recon lasgun is for cc or bursting elite/special?

cc when is horde

[tame lodge]

Mk14 has 3 cleave, only one good at shooting through hordes

Mk12 with onslaught bursts anything

[iron atlas]

whhat does torrent and rapid fire difference?

[unreal nova]

VLC is meme tiers of ammo efficient. Even if I turn off brain and shoot 90% of the time.

[iron atlas]

on paper the Mk 14 has biggest damage of all 3 variant

[tough tiger]

Does anyone know what the Riposte attack is on the dclaw?

[unreal nova]

Wait. 14 that's blue.

[tough tiger]

And also do dclaw changes mean i can spam parry even harder now?

[latent parcel]

Karien the karry gonna level up her oggy now after changes?!

[iron atlas]

u cant spam parry

[atomic zephyr]

power sword fixed???? we are so back

[unreal nova]

Nu. Shoo.

[iron atlas]

it has delay animation

i tried

[latent parcel]

never

[fading yarrow]

Man
The DT Boltgun really is just a pistol for an Astartes, huh

Just saw a SM2 screenshot of a dead Guardsman using a Heavy Bolt Pistol as a rifle

[unreal nova]

You and Chonky only bulli.

[latent parcel]

you lie!

[unreal nova]

Only bulli.

[latent parcel]

oggy going to be to easy now

[iron atlas]

so what is the blessing and perk for recon lasgun mk 14?

[unreal nova]

Nu.

[fading yarrow]

I think Ghost and Headhunter?

[latent parcel]

they better make havocs way harder then!

[unreal nova]

Nu.

[fading yarrow]

With perks depending on whether you're building for crit or not

[tame lodge]

Wrong

It a Locke pattern boltgun
It's a human boltgun

[radiant chasm]

nerf baseline, buff for right side vets

[fading yarrow]

I'm being hyperbolic smh

[tame lodge]

🤓

I know you are

But the space marine bolters are usually Godwyn patterns

Not Locke

Of course there's a couple others variants

[terse idol]

Kinda but noo

[terse idol]

Oh

[tame lodge]

Common Bistol of a SM would be a Mark 3

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent

https://youtu.be/H38a0vjQbJg?si=ltwgHRiPTn3HtaFL

[vernal trench]

Karien always bullying me and lil stump

[latent parcel]

@unreal nova the bulli

[tame lodge]

Kinda cool that they gave us Locke pattern instead of a Godwyn Deez (or something along those lines) that the sororitas use

[unreal nova]

Nu, you always bulli. ALWAYS.

[vernal trench]

@unreal nova big bad bulli

U bully lil stump

And me

[unreal nova]

You two are the bullies. You humiliate and embarrass me in public all the time.

[tame lodge]

There's also Tigrus pattern

[vernal trench]

Never!!!

[tame lodge]

You know
Same as Tigrus Heavy Eviscerator

[steep flower]

She do be right tho; you do that to me too Chonky

[latent parcel]

karien the karry!

[wild vortex]

Am I cooked or is it possible the Shredder Pistol will be viable for WS Vet

[winter sluice]

Lmao

[unreal nova]

You smoking? It still sprays bullets so meh with WS.

[wild vortex]

Well you can use Vraks full auto with it (or so path recommended ti me a few weeks ago)

If that can work, then why can't a finesse based full auto gun

[unreal nova]

I'm pretty sure one kills in 10 shots. The other, waiting to see if it can kill in 10 shots.

[faint beacon]

Forced to run kraks, that or you have to do Rending and Exploit Weakness to make up for the lack of its Cara damage

[wild vortex]

Was referring to the buffs in the dev notes

Hopefully it won't be so bad noe

[unreal nova]

Yes, it used to take 40 bullets to kill on avg.

[wild vortex]

[unreal nova]

Why godawful for WS lul.

You want a kill in 10 shots at worst.

[grand perch]

graia VII with mf does decent cara damage, dont need kraks

[grand perch]

my shredder pistol m eme build runs WS and it works just fine

its just not amazing

[wild vortex]

I will pray then

I really want to use that pistol

[faint beacon]

its being buffed

so it might end up being really viable for a WS build

well that and Special deactivation on stun

Power Sword got a buff basically

Specials no longer get Deactivated on Mantling and Stun

[wild vortex]

Idk idgaf about the basket of clunk that is power sword

[faint beacon]

Im not fond of its mobility

so im sticking to other melees

LMAO

[wild vortex]

Rashad till I(t) die(s)

[faint beacon]

Rashad, Shovel, Knife, Taxe

like my 4 go too's atm

well and Heavy Sword

technically 5

[calm shard]

oh my

weapon specialist helbore real?

[charred mist]

what’s a rashad

and taxe

[vestal widget]

combat axe

[charred mist]

oh

[vestal widget]

taxe = tactical axe

rashad is specifically the name of the best combat axe

[pseudo fiber]

It seems to be

[vestal widget]

does wep spec buffs still require wep switch tho?

[pseudo fiber]

Yes

[grand perch]

thats me

[unreal nova]

They activate on switch. Don't switch back instantly or you lose the buff.

[faint beacon]

Wait I realized

WS Vigilants

might be good to use also not in the sense of like

[grand perch]

lol

[faint beacon]

to kill but actually defend yourself

[grand perch]

i mean the bash was useful against ragers

but if it might do actual damage thatd be funneh

[faint beacon]

Weakspot lands would stagger them but only one

issue

its a horde of them

[ruby oriole]

hello friends

havent played in a year or so, has the game changed much

[charred mist]

so nobody runs the cool melees?

[tame lodge]

Yeah
You pop ex stance and get WS stacks

[charred mist]

like chain sword or power sword, dueling sword

[tame lodge]

Thx UnL

[charred mist]

they run ugly knives or axes

and shovels

[tame lodge]

Or one of the patches that made exec stance proc ws

[pseudo fiber]

Both power sword and dueling are considered the best melees in the game?

DS is probably the most popular one?

[charred mist]

oh cool

[pseudo fiber]

Chainsword ain't great

bit niche

[vestal widget]

i can't quite visualize how that works; does that let you get the melee buff with bayonet?

[charred mist]

what does psword alternate even do it runs out in 1 swing lol

[pseudo fiber]

Well

you put power cycler on it

and then it runs out after 3

and then you have probably the best horde clear melee in the game

and you can also do this

[charred mist]

oh cool

[vestal widget]

the stab on the 6 also 2 shots crushers (can one shot as a party trick if you sink a bunch of talents into melee stuff)

oh i assume that's what the video is of

[pseudo fiber]

yup

[hollow ibex]

crazy

all those changes

no DS nerfs lol

[pseudo fiber]

They're scared of the last time they nerfed a strong melee

(The game got review bombed)

[hollow ibex]

yeah i suspect that has to do with it

[ruby oriole]

😦

[terse idol]

Well not yet

[ruby oriole]

im a sad vet now

[hollow ibex]

vets going to be the weakest class post-update confirmed

[faint beacon]

God is dead

[faint beacon]

Zealot and Veteran

we share our suffering together

[ruby oriole]

oh no they reset all my talents .. arghaggaag

what the heck are masteries!

[pseudo fiber]

It's where you get your blessings now

so no more gambling

[ruby oriole]

oh cool

its been veery ,long since I played

[hollow ibex]

honestly i think zealot's a bit stronger rn lol

[ruby oriole]

Why does a green devils claw sword have a higher rating than my orange chainsword?

[faint beacon]

we're getting our QOL tree re-shuffle last im calling it

cause we dont need a rework

[ruby oriole]

I cant remember how the weapon rating woprks 😛

[faint beacon]

minus MF

[fresh scarab]

So... No new weapon still? I was hoping we'd get them this update since they told us to wait till 2025 last time

[pseudo fiber]

Rating is tied to the overall stat blocks of the weapons

[hollow ibex]

yeah def

[hollow ibex]

prob summer update

[unreal nova]

Could be Dec 2025...

[faint beacon]

Year of Zealot 2026

[pseudo fiber]

It's probably gonna be like June lol

[faint beacon]

Year of Veteran 2027

calling it

[fresh scarab]

[pseudo fiber]

I don't think Vet needs any real... major changes...

[fresh scarab]

I just want different guns man

[pseudo fiber]

I think tactical awareness is getting shot soonish

[faint beacon]

More just stinker talents that no one uses which are like

less than 40%

and MF needs a rework

mainly just a tree reshuffle to allow for less Point tax on builds cause thats clearly the direction they're headed

they want less point tax for all builds

[terse idol]

Probably a rework of like

Long shot

Make it less ass

[plucky tapir]

What did they nerf

[pseudo fiber]

Power sword

went from 8 swings with pc4 to 3

[plucky tapir]

The goal shud be to balance not just gut stuff. Nerf ds a bit but buff the other melee

[pseudo fiber]

got review bombed because of it lol

[dry cloak]

no

[plucky tapir]

Make some of heavy sword or whatever deal with carapiece better

[dry cloak]

heavy swords weakenss is cara

[plucky tapir]

So ppl dont feel like they need the ds

[trim badger]

Isn't vet the current class with most variety in builds atm?

[dry cloak]

they single one

horde shredded

flak no problem

maniac even less o a problem

[trim badger]

I don't think people use the ds because they feel like they need it

[plucky tapir]

I like how with the ogryn they made changes with all the melee weapons so they feel better to use

[ruby oriole]

can you go further than lvl 30 now? It seems like you need way more talent points?

[pseudo fiber]

nope

[ruby oriole]

oh ok

[tame lodge]

But then Hsword would go up in popularity

[trim badger]

You can't, you only get 30 points

[ruby oriole]

ah

[plucky tapir]

Thats good no?

So ppl arent just using the ds

[trim badger]

Nerf ds people will go back to knife

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plucky tapir]

Rn all ogryn melee seem very gokd

[tame lodge]

Yeah but then you'd have a massive horde clearer with good carapace

[plucky tapir]

Then ppl wud want the knife to be nerfed

[tame lodge]

For free

[pseudo fiber]

People kinda want both nerfed

[plucky tapir]

So remove both of the weapons

[trim badger]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-angry-cat-angry-kitten-violence-violent-cat-gif-1754975238705756693

[plucky tapir]

Is that what ppl want

[trim badger]

But these 2 are my 98% of gameplay

:(

[plucky tapir]

Well too bad

U will use other weapons and like it >:)

Thats what the dt fan base seem to want

[tame lodge]

Like Hsword and DS are on opposite sides of the spectrum

But meeting at elite killers

[plucky tapir]

So u dont want them to buff the hsword

Just nerf the ds

Make the ds 50% less effective against unyielding and carapiece

[tame lodge]

No in fact

I want them to nerf the cleave and unarmored infested adm on the ds

Make it super single target

No horde clear

[native kelp]

WHERE IS THE COMBAT SHOTGUN BUFF, PLEASE FAT SHARK I BEG YOU

[terse idol]

I mean thatd just kill it

[trim badger]

I feel this would only work for mk4 and make the other two useless

[trim badger]

50% might be too much, 30% maybe

[tame lodge]

I mean
That would make Mk2 a good all arounder

[ruby oriole]

why dont I have any mastery PXP on me melee weapons? Ive been playing since launch but took a long break

Mastery XP

[plucky tapir]

Then we can nerf this

[tame lodge]

Because it was based on blessings unlocked

Not time played

[terse idol]

If you didn't get alot of blessings prior to the update you didnt get alot of masteries

Me as I look at my least played ranged weapon with the highest mastery on update

[crimson pebble]

i had every weapon mastered by the time the update came out as everytime id see a weapon w a blessing i didnt already have at brunt id buy it and get the blessing

[gritty furnace]

Finally I can no longer be interrupted by the most random pox walker to have ever existed

[light ridge]

Big buff to thunderhammers

[gritty furnace]

That too

[terse idol]

Damn PS stocks on the rise

[hollow ibex]

helbore bayo stocks took another plunge

[terse idol]

Woah the

0.1 second increase

[tame lodge]

Damn massive nerf

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/crashout-skeleteon-skeleton-meme-skeleteton-crashout-screaming-gif-2819917983570648755

[hollow ibex]

i was really hoping mkiv's bayo would get a buff, but no lol

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-black-guy-tweaking-meme-gif-6022943353035016664

[terse idol]

I just don't think people should be spamming bayo now a days

Its nice to get agile engagement

[tame lodge]

(affected by attack speed)

[hollow ibex]

i just want the mk iv bayo to do a bit more than kill single pox walkers and stagger bruisers

[viscid sparrow]

btw, I just met a stealth vet with Born Leader in auric.

[hollow ibex]

what's wrong with that?

i run that

[plucky tapir]

I mean it stab kills specialist pretty fast

[hollow ibex]

the mkiv doesn't have the stab lol

it has the really shitty slash

[plucky tapir]

Oh

[hollow ibex]

takes forever, and does like 5 damage

[plucky tapir]

Pain

[pseudo fiber]

That slash is so bad lmfao

awful

[hollow ibex]

yeah actually useless

[plucky tapir]

Kinda kills the weapon for me

[viscid sparrow]

I was just left wondering if I should use that too, seeing as I struggle to figure out where to put my last point except for a stam regen delay node...

[hollow ibex]

so i got excited for half a secodn seeing mentions of helbore bayo

and turns out it was just a nerf to the stab bayos lol

[terse idol]

I mean

[pseudo fiber]

It get affected by attack speed now

[plucky tapir]

Hidden buff

[terse idol]

Probably wouldn't be bad if it killed a poxwalker so you could get agile engagement

[hollow ibex]

if you're running invis, you're taking born leader only for pathing, that's basically it

[plucky tapir]

Atk speed now apply to special attacks

[hollow ibex]

takes too long

[terse idol]

Not alot?

Like

You're making it seem like it's gutting the stab

[hollow ibex]

just funny that they remembered helbore bayos, but not the one that actually needs help

[hollow ibex]

no?

[terse idol]

You probably shouldn't be stab spamming imo

[hollow ibex]

idc

about the stab helbores lol

[terse idol]

Man you just said helbore stocks plummeting

[hollow ibex]

this entire time i've been ranting about mkiv if you haven't noticed

[hollow ibex]

that was just me memeing

[terse idol]

How should I take that

[plucky tapir]

The .1 nerf is buffed by all melee atk speed to the stab

[viscid sparrow]

ahhh... I always take For The Emperor (the damage buff to coherency on ult effect)...

[hollow ibex]

in response to your meme

[terse idol]

God damn it

It literally isn't going to affect the helbores much at all, or the stab one

Err

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's really bad with invis

[terse idol]

Or the slash one

[plucky tapir]

It prob feel better to use on weapon specialist

[terse idol]

Because it isn't focused on the slash anyways, it's focused on the high dps pershot maann

[viscid sparrow]

I just now realized that, and idk why I lways thought it would be a decent idea...

[hollow ibex]

tiny damage buff, every 45 seconds at most? born leader way better

or hell, even the suppression node

[hollow ibex]

could be ok with exec stance

since ES comes back up quickly

otherwise never bother with FTE

[sharp epoch]

weapon specialist with helbore sucks with the draw speed

[hollow ibex]

honestly i think it's just too point heavy to go right side

i never end up being able to afford trench fighter on helbore lol

much less go WS

[plucky tapir]

This is true, anim canceling is there tho

[viscid sparrow]

I tend to ALWAYS go for Bring it Down, so I can never afford anything except CQK and the stam regen delay node on the WS leg...

[hollow ibex]

i honestly don't think any of the red nodes are great on infil

the recharge is just too damn long

CQKZ is prob the best, but i usually don't end up taking it

[pseudo fiber]

90 threat is good

[hollow ibex]

sorry by red nodes i mean FTE/CQKZ/Marksman

the infil modifier nodes are generally pretty good yeah

[pseudo fiber]

oooh

[pseudo fiber]

I usually grab reciprocity

[hollow ibex]

same

[unreal nova]

Well, Would this work for the Hellbore then? XD

[hollow ibex]

man that's a lot of investment just for deadshit lol

[unreal nova]

Well, youc an drop that.

[unreal nova]

It's more, path for Trench Fighter.\

[hollow ibex]

well you pathed to avoid reciprocity (very strong)

to pick up duck and dive (presumably for deadshot)

and the stam regen

a useless travel node

and then trench fighter

[unreal nova]

Nope.

For the stam, nothing more.

[hollow ibex]

that's still 4 points dedicated to deadshit

[unreal nova]

You can dump deadshot for the recipro.

[hollow ibex]

i'd just dump deadshit and take the melee nodes instead of going all the way right

and dump stam regen

pick up FT

might not have 2 points for FT/redirect fire tho

[unreal nova]

So, my funni recon build.

I just thought ppl wanted stam nodes and somehow get TF.

[terse idol]

You just take agile engagement anywhoo

[sharp epoch]

It's such a node tax though, no thanks

[terse idol]

What?

You just go left

I mean right

And then take VOC

Then go left for a few talents for like shocktrooper and the standard talents

Imo you have a synergy with agile because bayonett gives you ranged agile engagement and when you shoot you get the melee agile buff

Should always take it

[sharp epoch]

I always thought bayo was a meme build like its not that good at clearing chaff or armor

[sharp epoch]

The revive perk?

[formal ice]

Its the golden toughness one

[sharp epoch]

Oh mb I thought it was the thing on top, the grenade box and regen

[faint beacon]

I was about to say why are you dipping out on Desperado and Recip but you changed it here lmao

[unreal nova]

No, that's just my normal recon build.

The non-meme shoot crushers one.

[terse idol]

Youre not using it as your primary

Its a good supplement to get a stack of agile to make your shots better

[unreal nova]

I did say, so you mean, just go my normal recon build.

Even for Hellbore.

[grand perch]

pew pew

[faint beacon]

No clue who the Zealot was but holy shit that was peak running Close and Kill aura with Knife and a Knife Zealot sticking near you the entire time

Blitzing any hordes that dared rushed the team down

[narrow frost]

your welcome

[hollow ibex]

were the ogryn and psyker afk?

[faint beacon]

Bobo was a late join

he was helpful though

[hollow ibex]

fair then

[faint beacon]

Psyker on the other hand @narrow frost (you)

was on the floor 90% of the match

[narrow frost]

damn

sorry

[faint beacon]

stop carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders 🚬

[oblique totem]

Then who will?

[glacial sigil]

Hello, what are your favorite weapons/playstyles?
I've been trying to level my veteran and I'm kinda bored of the infantry autogun 🥲

[shadow dagger]

what could they do to differentiate iags and recon las balance wise

I feel like the only time I see iags now are when columnus users from early 2024 hop on again

[hollow ibex]

shredder + infil + WS + rashad/taxe/knife + DB

oh wait you're not 30 yet

[kind scarab]

Alternatively, grab a shovel, as much toughness and melee talents as you're comfortable with and do the kriegsman death dance

[shadow dagger]

standard issue shovel my favorite

[kind scarab]

I still need to actually max out my mastery with the shovel. Still rocking all my stuff on it since before the crafting rework.

[glacial sigil]

yeah ;-;

[balmy flume]

Truly the fastest hand West of Atoma…

[dry galleon]

Anyone know how the high voltage blessing works on the shock mauls? Does 'electrocuted' mean only on enemies that are hit by the special attack as in a full on stun?

[kind scarab]

I can at least confirm it works with the Psyker shock on heavy hit ability

[dry galleon]

Hm good to know

25% more might make it worth compared to skullcrusher

[tame lodge]

Hard to do so

Skullcrusher is pretty baller

No competition

Anyways high voltage should proc on the second attack

You see the shock effect around your target then you get the extra damage

If you taze them, you get the damage

[plucky tapir]

anyone got a helbore vet build that doesnt use the shovel?

[atomic zephyr]

just use a helbore vet build and don’t use the shovel

[kind scarab]

^

[shadow dagger]

just use like shockmaul if you're worried about melee breakpoints or something idk

[crisp oak]

For what purpose

(Aurics, havocs, or something else)

[bronze trout]

where are our new guns

[crisp oak]

In the underhive

Go find them

[sleek garden]

time to bring a stupid looking build into auric maelstrom

[plucky tapir]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e08cee7-3443-4279-a634-e3450b786a57/an-actual-good-kriegsman-build-finally

i just went with this

feels decent actually

[tall torrent]

Could be a lot better

Helbore is built wrong

Some unnecessary talent picks

Like rending strikes

[plucky tapir]

whats ur recommendation

[tall torrent]

For mkV helbore, unarmored + maniac, surgical, 2nd blessing up to u

Take shock trooper

[gaunt anchor]

What is a good melee weapon to compliment a VoC recon build?

[tall torrent]

You don’t need both confirmed kill and out for blood, just take one

Rending strikes doesn’t matter much for either weapons being used

[gaunt anchor]

I am using heavy sword rn because it feels good and I don't have the attack speed for combat axe

[plucky tapir]

is sustain fire good?

[tall torrent]

What does the build even look like

[gaunt anchor]

lemme

[tall torrent]

On helbore? No

[plucky tapir]

armorbane?

[tall torrent]

Not rly worth it

[plucky tapir]

the rest are garbage tho

[tall torrent]

People put rending and brittleness on without understanding what they do

[tall torrent]

Hotshot

Weight of fire

[plucky tapir]

for the special right

[tall torrent]

For what

[plucky tapir]

for thhe special attack?

[tall torrent]

What special attack

[plucky tapir]

the stab? range weapons can cleave?

[tall torrent]

Hotshot affects all attacks

[plucky tapir]

actually weight of fire might be fun

[tall torrent]

Including your melee weapon’s attacks

[tame lodge]

Ranged weapons have cleave

[plucky tapir]

hmmm

weight of fire or hot shot?

[tall torrent]

Up to u

[plucky tapir]

guess i gotta try them both

[tall torrent]

Drop superiority complex & focus target, run a knife or smth

[gaunt anchor]

what do I replace then? cause now I got two perks sitting about

[tall torrent]

Replace what

Oh

[gaunt anchor]

Focus target and complex

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity + desperado

[gaunt anchor]

got it

[tall torrent]

Not sure why you’d run recon without reciprocity

[gaunt anchor]

I assume on knife, mark 6 with riposte and flesh tearer?

[faint beacon]

The rare okay build on Gameslatern

like Path stated some talents that aren't needed in there but its relatively decent

[plucky tapir]

i have 2 skill points left

with the help of the person above

im using this mostly for auric/auric mael

[faint beacon]

FT

[plucky tapir]

FT into 8 stacks?

[faint beacon]

Never hurts to take FT

personally no

never take 8

thats a bait talent with FT

[plucky tapir]

target down seems decent

or i can snag

[faint beacon]

Riderect is better seeing its more damage but Target is also nice if you want more Toughness and Stamina

[plucky tapir]

something else

[plucky tapir]

thanks!

[tall torrent]

Uncanny over one of them

[faint beacon]

personally I'd run something like this

spare talent obviously being Target or Riderect depending on what you prefer

[charred mist]

do grenades self damage?

mb wrong reply

[dry galleon]

Grenades don't do self damage

You can throw them at your feet

[charred mist]

ah thanks

[charred mist]

where you gonna put the 30th?

[faint beacon]

^

[charred mist]

oh oops

[radiant chasm]

high voltage+skullcrsuher

[austere pine]

i'm craving a burst fire lasgun

[dry galleon]

Yeah I've been running that for now. Was considering taking the extra impact from hammerblow (i think its called that at least) for easier rager control.

[hollow ibex]

yea fatshart should add one

i think a good name for it will be headhunter

[austere pine]

no, really

[hollow ibex]

headhunter lagsun

[austere pine]

it should be a vigilant lasgun. we have infantry autoguns and infantry lasguns. we had headhunter autoguns and now we have vigilant lasguns, so logic goes that we should get vigilant (headhunter by the old naming style) lasguns

all we'd then be missing are helbore and recon autoguns and braced lasguns

[dry galleon]

I'm craving a lasgun that actually feels good to use.

[austere pine]

infantry lasgun kantrael mk vii, the goat

or, if you're a conformist, the mk 2b

[radiant chasm]

coudl be alright for vet, then you'll want skullcrusher it stacks up to 80%

electrocute applies to any swing that staggers the enemy or if you use your special or you have psyker heavy attack smite talent

hence why it's taken

you just hit things with ti

[dry galleon]

I like them but they feel like ass. A lot of recoil, bad reddot sight and not enough damage output. I like the laspistols and I'll use infantry lasguns from time to time but I don't think they feel good in the current state of the game. I doubt they have been touched in a while.

[dry galleon]

Hammerblow + skullcrusher and electrocute + skullcrusher both seem like pretty good options.

[austere pine]

the thing about the infantry lasguns (at least the mk7) is that recoil ultimately almost doesn't matter, because it shoots slow enough to the point you're back at what you were aiming at with your first shot by the time you can shoot again

or you are with a minimal adjustment

what makes them not be great, in my eyes, is their reliance on actually aiming to kill things. they deal a lot of damage, you just have to hit a single shot that deals a lot of damage, compared to many that deal less but fire fast or others that deal more damage but are bigger (plasma, bolter). also can't deal with hordes for the life of it, but that's just the weapon family and not something fixable, i suppose

what i used to run it as was a dedicated ranged disposal tool. any fucker with a gun or any specialist just gets shot in the head once or twice and they're dead. worked super well before gunners could move. now it's just bad

(that playstyle, that is)

[dry galleon]

That's true on the slowest one but as soon as you get to the mg1a it starts to become noticable, especially when you run it with any kind of rof increase. Lets not even talk about the one with the highest rate of fire, that thing has horrible recoil.

Even if you do want to go click heads I find the headhunters and hellbores a lot better.

[austere pine]

helbores are yucky and headhunters suffer from a serious lack of pew pew

damage is great but i am NOT reloading every 20-something shots

also, i did mean what you callled mg1a when i said mk7. they renamed them and i don't know who's new and who isn't

[dry galleon]

I was already bad with names before they renamed them but I do know that the mg 1a is the middle child.

[dry galleon]

Depends on playstyle I guess. I've always had a soft spot for the headhunters.

[austere pine]

i can't do the burst vigilants at all, but the semi auto one has only about 20 bullets in the mag, which is a painfully low number in higher difficulties where you need to shoot a bajillion enemies

[dry galleon]

Yeah I agree for the most part. Burst ones are kinda meh. I like the semi auto. Feels snappy to me especially compared to the lasguns.

[gaunt anchor]

Dumdum infernus onslaught recon lasgun against a beat of nurgle from behind is so funny

[shadow dagger]

not to self diagnose but im definitely winning rn

[charred mist]

which skin/charm shall i use

[tall torrent]

they're the same pic

[charred mist]

mb

[tall torrent]

use the red mastery skin lol

[charred mist]

ok

i think i need to get 2 more mastery levels to unlock it

[remote sonnet]

The semi one is quite fun for gun psyker if you play that class.

Helbore has a near unlimited ammo build.

[austere pine]

tried gun psyker with a vigilant and almost skinned myself alive

[remote sonnet]

Oh well...

[austere pine]

so infantry las will probably feel similar

i can imagine liking a well-built vigilant for full left vet, though

[remote sonnet]

Nah, it is not good.

Most issues with vigilant comes from its blessings.

[austere pine]

i mean for like an anti-ranged build

where the aim is to kill everything exe stance lights up so your allies (who likely can't aim well) don't have to get killed by them and can deal with melees

[remote sonnet]

Lasgun deals more damage at range while vigilant does less at range.

[gaunt anchor]

Ah thanks

the void

[scarlet crescent]

which one if i were to cope

[vernal harbor]

First

[tall torrent]

last, the one with 70-70 split

only 1% off from perfect, no big deal

[vernal harbor]

If you go stat by stat and see it’s changes based on % you’ll see it really doesn’t matter

[scarlet crescent]

thanks

[scarlet crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/adult-swim-this-is-fine-casual-flames-life-gif-5794951

[vernal harbor]

ive accidentally run grey shit stat weapons and i always expect to get annihilated but i hardly feel it unless it’s damage

[oblique totem]

Disregard numbers, embrace teamwork.

(unless the weapon does very low damage)

[uncut pebble]

What model and what were you struggling with?

[remote sonnet]

The semi and the 2 rounds burst are the 2 usable.

[hollow ibex]

i think they're all pretty usable

hitreg kinda fucks the single shot one for me tho

#veteran-class message

Yup lol

[remote sonnet]

The 3 shot burst has highest dps, but the 1st burst kick is too much, and if you don't shoot fast, you have to wait for recoil recovery.

[cloud thunder]

Oh nice

Psword got buffed

[cobalt lance]

Does veteran get any bonuses for shooting?

[tawny badger]

fatshark trying to make iron sights that don’t make me want to rip my skin from my bones

[cobalt lance]

Is there a point in bringing bolt pistol if every other class can use it too?

[tawny badger]

well, yeah, in the veteran class’s perk tree

[cobalt lance]

It sucks

Except the middle ground of grenade lobbing regeneration and screaming at enemies

Which has little to do with shooting

[tawny badger]

I don’t know how to explain this but left tree is right there and serviceable, maybe it’s just not up to your tastes

[cobalt lance]

It has kill zone perk

Which only works if you dont have an enemy within 8 meters

When in darktide dont you have an enemy within 8 meters?

Also the end of the line perks tell you to stand still

Is this joke

Ah

I guess devs just dont play their own game

[tawny badger]

where is everyone else in this channel-
Anyway, granted, I don’t run kill zone

And marksman’s focus doesn’t require you to stand still

Just keep up the headshots

[broken spade]

most of veterans bonuses is just for everything
just be happy the buffs aren't restricted to only shooting

[tawny badger]

It’s not even like you instantly lose all your stacks of marksman’s focus if you take a step or whatever

[cobalt lance]

But you cant sprint

[tawny badger]

refer to this

Actually, let me ask you this

Did you try using marksman’s focus in a match

[cobalt lance]

Yes I usually spam it

But I dont give it to allies

They want to steal my kills

[tawny badger]

I don’t think you know what I’m referring to

[cobalt lance]

I see it in their eyes

You mean the uhhh end of the line perk?

[tawny badger]

The left tree keystone, yes

They’re called keystones

[cobalt lance]

More like gaystones if you ask me 😎

[cobalt lance]

Anyhow those tell you not to move when shooting

[arctic rampart]

Real servents of the emperor don't allocate any of their points. Leave it for the emp to use.

[cobalt lance]

I look at them in disbelief

And choose another line

[tawny badger]

You only gradually lose them if you’re moving, and it’s very easy to regain stacks

You’re running bolt pistol

Just shoot literally anything in the face

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[cobalt lance]

Yes but it has little ammo and long reloads

[narrow frost]

You got this ragers

[cobalt lance]

I prefer to use lasgun

[arctic rampart]

I usually find pistol type weapons work real well with weapon specialist. the main feature is quick draw right so play into that and use both melee & ranged.

[cobalt lance]

Even though it doesnt oneshot

Las pistol is also fine

[arctic rampart]

run & gun feels way better and you take less damage than being a dipshit turret thing

[cobalt lance]

Autopistol should be deleted from the game

[tawny badger]

autopistol…

[narrow frost]

And now they slander my fav gun

[cobalt lance]

And the dev who came up with it executed using one

All three magazines to down a dreg

[arctic rampart]

if your favorite gun is autogun then you must be a masochist 😄

next you'll tell me shredder is really engaging!

forget about using metal, toothpicks ftw

[narrow frost]

Who needs a range weapon when melee solves all problems when you get good at melee combat

Shredder has the best utility

[cobalt lance]

I prefer to use my ranged weapons the darktide way

[narrow frost]

Instant toughness from inspiring, 2 bullets to stun ragers

Instant swap and fast reload

[cobalt lance]

Pull it out in the middle of swinging and shoot a special

[narrow frost]

And a ton of ammo

I don't think I've picked up ammo in the past 5 weeks

[cobalt lance]

But other classes can do it without veteran skill tree

[narrow frost]

Everyone can

[arctic rampart]

when you're weapon is so shit it does nothing, you don't need ammo

[cobalt lance]

Well it tickles the heretics

[unreal nova]

Crabwalk.

[arctic rampart]

I guess if flak or less it can do "stuff" but I mean why bother. bring a ranged to do at least 1 function

[radiant chasm]

frag nading

[glacial sigil]

okay after getting to level 14 I can see why Vet is fun

The regenerating nades and voice of command is so goodddd

the early levels were rough so I was in constant doubt of whether I like this class or not lmao but damn this is fun

[junior grail]

You've become the Darkest of Tides now, son

[glacial sigil]

"These tides.... are dark.... but my grenades... are krak..."
-John Darktide

I'm excited to try more guns and builds down the line

[junior grail]

I remember my genuine surprise starting with some crappy 20th century bullet gun then discovering the joys of pewpew recon as well as power of plasma

Then coming right back round again to appreciating the raw dps of said 20th century dakka dakka

[hollow ibex]

once you get to voc

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-where-the-fun-begins-star-wars-anakin-sassy-excited-gif-4830492

but yeah it's pretty ass up until then

[austere pine]

2-round burst. was bugged for me somehow so most shots fired in rapid succession (like when there's a rager in my face suddenly) sounded like one, so i was giga confused for most of the match

[uncut pebble]

So step 1, don't use vigilants on dreg ragers. (the maniac adm is horrendously bad)

[austere pine]

then i gave the semi one a go on psyker and cried right after. played melee for the whole mission because it just wasn't dealing damage, even with scrier's

[steady wolf]

wtf?! new power sword mark

[glacial sigil]

Yeah I've been able to comfortably use my gun more often now

I relied purely on melee otherwise

[austere pine]

it was a "like" situation. say something appears in your face and it's not made of carapace so you just shoot it before it gets a hit off or you're forced to dodge

[unreal nova]

I rather the autogun than getting the inf las.

That felt like dook for ages.

[steady wolf]

need power fist so badly (at least ogryn punch finally got buffed)

[austere pine]

there's a reason dreg gunners, ogryns and all manner of space marines still largely prefers to shoot a big meaty (metally?) round of gun

no, we don't need power fist. we need 2hand chain axes, 2hand and 1hand power axes, a hotshot las, more bolter variations, more plasma variations, more flamer variations, a melta gun and variations, more double barrel variations...

could go on, won't go on.

[light ridge]

Anyone bored enough to check out Tanner's newest 10 hour talent tier list?

[junior grail]

I... kinda still wanna fist an Ogryn tho...

[junior grail]

The femboi's throat can really take a long pounding eh?

[winter sluice]

Since orygns nades have upgrades. Imagine if kraks or smokes had nodes to change what they do

Like smokes making enemies suppressed or something. Or making it poison like dreg bombers but for the enemy

[junior grail]

I want smokes to mark targets like Ogryns taunt

[unreal nova]

Grenade tinkerer though.

How would it work with that, lul.

[winter sluice]

Another idea I had was making the smoke coat enemies with like idk some gasoline gas (think the gas passer from TF2) and when you fire with a lasgun or ballistic weapon it applies fire stacks

[unreal nova]

Nobody liked the gas passer though.

[winter sluice]

That's a different game

For different reasons

[junior grail]

Or it has incense-based smoke which boosts our toughness gen inside it

[winter sluice]

Yeah that would be good

Or makes enemies take more finesse damage inside because they are all confused

Would work with the right side tree alot

[junior grail]

If the enemies were in the smoke radius on detonation, they get confused and have a chance of attacking each other hehehe

[winter sluice]

That would be cool. One of my ideas was that if enemys are too close they stagger as if they are running over and tripping eachother

[unreal nova]

Choking gas.

[winter sluice]

That's cool

[junior grail]

I can hear the 3 stooges theme already

[winter sluice]

Yeah lmao

The possibilities are infinite. I love playing with smoke nades

[junior grail]

As for Krak, perhaps a shorter fuse time modifier?

[winter sluice]

Maybe a node for kraks would increase their radius and damage massively but they don't stick to carapace. And they only stick to monstrosities

[winter sluice]

Could work. Or insta det on target

[junior grail]

Insta might be too strong, unless it is exchanged for smaller blast radius

[winter sluice]

Makes sense

So you gotta snipe the crushers instead of using it for horde clear

[junior grail]

True antitank moment

[winter sluice]

A node that makes kraks better at anti boss would be cool af

[junior grail]

I still have hopium for a multitube Grenade launcher for Vet

[winter sluice]

That would be cool

What I'm hoping for is some kind of flamer equal. I love flame weapons in this game

But I main vet

And I love the immolation grenade but if I wanna be a grenade man I gotta play vet. So either I want a way to use nades more as zealot or I want an aoe effect for vet for nades

[gritty mural]

plasmas basically the flamer competitor with its cleave

[winter sluice]

Plasma is aight

I like the damage over time focus tho and infinite cleave

Plus you can't really build around only flamer for zealot. Vet has so much ranged stuff and ammo gen

[gritty mural]

im hoping if they add a melta gun it'll be like boltguns and sm2's versions

[winter sluice]

I don't know much about the melta gun

[gritty mural]

it shoots a giant plasma cone

[winter sluice]

I see

The gun I wanna see most for vet tho is the scab gunners heavy lasgun

A braced lasgun would go hard

It's even on the vets left side tree art

[gritty mural]

they'll probably give vet the backpack lasguns and a melta for zealots

[uneven cloud]

las volley that locks out melee...

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

[junior grail]

Meltaaaaa~

Hinted since the beginning of the game but forever an enigma haha

[winter sluice]

Yeaaaaa

[cedar reef]

with the adept assassin is it literalliy the next shot only or just for the next 5 secods? i been using recon las just wtiched to this penance so should i change my gun ?

[gritty mural]

I hope they make it you can switch between ranged and melee with using the gun to block and kick like the scab gunners

[junior grail]

2 vet weapons that were hinted since beginning

Melta - basically an energy antitank shotgun
Longlas - laser sniper rifle

[winter sluice]

Long las would go hard

[junior grail]

Would make ME hard

Outsnipe the Sniper

[uneven cloud]

until the sniper gets a lucky shot and you dishonor your entire bloodline

[junior grail]

I can imagine the clips when Vet and Sniper both take each other out at the same time

[steep pier]

good day for me

randomly threw a frag grenade as vet across the map and got the no bounce on grenade penance done by sheer coicendence

i wasn't even trying to get it i just randomly threw one

thats a w for me

[stoic thorn]

Oh hell no I hope it's like the artwork version

Where you get to piss out the melta flames

[steep pier]

lol depends on the model of the metla gun

the guardsmen get a weaker variant then what space marins use

[stoic thorn]

I'd rather PISS OUT MELTA FLAMES than haha melta shotty

[steep pier]

and the main point of the melta gun as a whole in 40k

its for dealing with armored things

its a anti armor weapon

[stoic thorn]

Last I checked

We aren't dealing with Leman russes

Or chimeras

[steep pier]

lol

[stoic thorn]

Hells the 6th isn't using sentinels on us

Whatever we have can deal with monstrosities fine

[steep pier]

but yes tank hunting squads typically carry them

[stoic thorn]

Let the 53rd and 21st have the meltaguns

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lol

i want em to

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Because they might be actually be facing armour

Plus the locally produced Demolishers have the best loadout

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honestly

we may get a inferno pistol

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Isn't that absurdly expensive

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either

that or a basic melta gun

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Meltaguns are expensive as hell I don't think we can salvage much of those from dead battlefields or buy it off mfs

The fact we can get plasma guns from battlefields around the domain is excellent

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facts

the inferno pistol

is a cheaper version of the melta weaponry

but its primarly used by the blood angels

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Do we have places to buy it from

That are within the domain

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not sure

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The fact the demolishers have multi meltas

Probablt mean we have the melta ammo laying around

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the infernus pistol

is a special weapon

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Hand flamer

Hand flamer sounds likely tbf

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some astartes like

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I'd get behind the hand flamer

But you'd have to reload a lot

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lol

fair

im still waiting for a new class

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We've scraped the prison ship dry atp I don't think we can find a new guy

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it might be someone who just joins the team

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Some ARMY more like

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rather then a outright new reject

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The mechanicus definitely aren't joining us directly

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nah

im hoping for a ratling

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They'll probably fuck off and do their own thing in tertium

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Too sneaky and slippery to be caught try again

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lol

facts

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Plus map isn't made for their asses

Most missions are cqc

And sniper class

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they do work with the guards

quite often though

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The ratlings are probablt with the 53rd

Ratling SUPPORT is a hell yeah

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also

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Counter snipers

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the highest mortality rate in the imperium

isn't astartes etc

its much worse

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Workers

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the faction of the imperium that does aerial combat

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Yeah

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they have the highest mortality rate

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The aeronautica imperialis

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correct

have you seen a lot of the things they have to fight

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They're so good they even had their own game lmao

Yes

Yes I have

Heldrakes

I read the fall of cadia

First day air war

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true that

and that eldar ship

that kills enmass

by a sound it makes

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We literally have like

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horrible horrible stuff

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Flak artillery

For AA

I'm pretty sure there are also AA lascannons

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probably

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Ogryn doesn't need a power fist ngl

They already hit haed