And you don't need marksmen
#veteran-class
terse idol
umbral scaffold
I'm still thinking 🤔 3 more hours and I will play gonna see what set I will choose 🙂
terse idol
if ya want to run onslaught on recon, play keystoneless vet amd take every talent th!t gives you things to support the recon
fiery raft
i understand but im just saying i feel like keystones are so good yk?
i could be wrong, im not a high level player necessarily
calm shard
vets keystones are eh
Marksmans Focus is good on very specific guns, and worthless on everything else
Focus Target is good on very specific weapons, and kinda okay on everything else
Weapon Specialist is good
fiery raft
i love wep spec mostly
terse idol
You can get by without keystones,
Honestly focus target is pretty good regardless
hollow ibex
i'd say vet keystones are still pretty good overall
terse idol
Full recon build doesn't need any keystones imo
calm shard
certainly better off than Ogryn
hollow ibex
outside of recon las, i take them on pretty much every build
terse idol
Hhh I'm not on puter 
fiery raft
👲
unreal nova
You want a not so terrible but still terrible idea for a recon build?
unreal nova
fiery raft
what's witht he field improvisation?
unreal nova
All the rending, also field improv is just because I run it.
fiery raft
alrighty
light ridge
fiery raft
seems neat, ima try it
unreal nova
Feel free to switch to 5% more crits or reciprocity.
unreal nova
And yes, you can shoot crushers with this, lul.
light ridge
It works
unreal nova
Look, it's a funny build.
solar monolith
i trust her builds
fiery raft
respectfully im going mk12
solar monolith
shit just Works ™️
unreal nova
They'll get a serious one from someone else later, you know.
fiery raft
its the most fun
fierce walrus
underhands only redeeming quality is that it doesnt break stealth
unreal nova
mk6 recon with onslaught 😓
Wait wat, I mean the blue one. The brrrrrrrr one.
light ridge
respectfully im going mk12
Both VIc and XII work well with Onslaught
light ridge
I slightly prefer the VIc because it is ever so slightly more ammo efficient and has a faster reload
But XII is a very efficient laser
hollow ibex
yeah mk vi with onslaught. not great.
fiery raft
ive been using the vraks for a little while so im making the switch to lasguns for experimentation
fiery raft
yeah mk vi with onslaught. not great.
she meant the blue one
hollow ibex
she meant the blue one
talking about aenion's build
fiery raft
oh ok
light ridge
yeah mk vi with onslaught. not great.
I got better results, mostly depends on which side the crits fall
light ridge
Depends on why you take Onslaught, I tend to have 3 more players with me who are more or less helping me defeat the mission
dawn garnet
underhands only redeeming quality is that it doesnt break stealth
seriously?
no way thats intentional
fierce walrus
yeah if they didnt patch it out
hollow ibex
she meant the blue one
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3a17a9-c4c4-4f9b-855b-c37250ad14f2/basic-bitch-recon-las
if you want a more standard recon las build
boring, but effective
fierce walrus
you can use infiltrate, toss 2 grenades and get out of a sticky situation
hollow ibex
you can use infiltrate, toss 2 grenades and get out of a sticky situation
still works yeah
i think it's intentional
at least i'd hope so
unreal nova
yeah if they didnt patch it out
Or maybe they didn't care enough to bother. Not breaking anything anyway.
hollow ibex
not like it's really op or anything
light ridge
oh, you actually trust pubbies
I also usually run Infiltration because I don't trust them to run the objectives or keep me alive
hollow ibex
based
i still think VOC is objectively just stronger than infil
but i've stopped running VOC
hollow ibex
i usually don't have points to take the damage boost sadly
and tbh the TDR node is just worse than low profile
though i run the TDR node anyway instead of low profile
calm shard
think of the damage though
You can have almost the level of damage boost that a SG psyker gets by existing
for 5 seconds
hollow ibex
fiery raft
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3a17a9-c4c4-4f9b-855b-c37250ad14f2/ba...
what would i use the recon lasgun as?
like horde clear, boss shred, etc
hollow ibex
Recon with onslaught is okay!!!
if you're going to take onslaught, take mk12 please for the love of god
hollow ibex
what would i use the recon lasgun as?
general anti-shooter/gunner/reaper/ranged weapon
ideally you're using your rashad 50% of the time, recon las 50% of the time
the biggest mistake i see recon las vets make is just shooting their damn gun the entire match
hollow ibex
terse idol
Welll that's fair
fiery raft
but yeah i do see that a good amount unfortunately
hollow ibex
i mean, cant blame them for how fun the gun is to shoot lol
yeah, it's a fun gun
fiery raft
i see now
hollow ibex
you can use it to also apply burn stacks on bosses and bulwarks
for some incremental damage
but definitely get stuck in the melee when you can
saves ammo, and you'll prob do more damage anyway
narrow frost
fiery raft
will do
hollow ibex
what i run at least
i think you don't need unarmored, and can take elite instead
but it might make your rashad build dependent to work
i haven't tested
terse idol
i think you don't *need* unarmored, and can take elite instead
You need unarmoured
terse idol
At least for scab brusier 1 shot bp
terse idol
terse idol
just out of curiosity, what about tactical axe?
Its good
hollow ibex
ive never given it a shot
very fun, great survivability, weaker in terms of dps overall
fiery raft
At least for scab brusier 1 shot bp
bp?
terse idol
Like i sleep on it, because the rashad is like using a nuclear weapon
hollow ibex
still very good though, i really like it
hollow ibex
Like i sleep on it, because the rashad is like using a nuclear weapon
same
terse idol
But taxes is acceptable
hollow ibex
ignored taxes for too long
fiery raft
i understand
fiery raft
yeah no worries lol
its weird to explain
is there a specific tac axe mark to use?
or is it just choice
hollow ibex
lazy fucks like me use iv
if you want to put some effort, use vii
i heard ii's worse than vii, but i never tried
iv is just light spam basically
fiery raft
okay
twilit roost
would anyone be able to hop in a vc with me for a sec and help me see if my gear rolls are any good?
keep being told by randoms that my build is shit or that I am trolling
I've jsut started playing the game again after this gear rework update
with the mastery thing
gonna be in Strike Team 1 VC
sleek garden
is there a reason to take executor over uncanny strike on a knife
hollow ibex
for the memes
loud belfry
gonna be in Strike Team 1 VC
can try posting pics of your build here, much more likely to get a response
umbral scaffold
Still thinking about the perks I will finish mastery on this today but how can you not be trigger happy with this one? 
It so sweet
Don't look at stats just blessings
Mine is a bit different
Max everything except colletral dmg
light ridge
This build seems to have become my comfort zone
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3a3bd2-df95-4725-ad39-67d22dc95324/infiltration-recon
fiery raft
i just wanna ask since ive never used it
what's the point of infiltrate?
besides meme
light ridge
And yes, I have been trying the mk XII quite a bit today, it is probably better than the VIc but its ammo economy is worse
terse idol
besides meme
Objective clearing, toughness regain
The ability to reposition into more defensive or aggressive areas
Safetly
personally wouldn't use it to revive people unless it's safe from melee
light ridge
what's the point of infiltrate?
- Objectives
- Team mate pick up
- Toughness regen
- Making sure I can unload my recon in a bosses weakspot without being knocked about
- Suppression
light ridge
*personally wouldn't use it to revive people unless it's safe from melee*
Suppression from breaking Stealth helps and also Shredder at their feet
terse idol
1. Objectives
2. Team mate pick up
3. Toughness regen
4. Making sure I can unloa...
NOW TO BE FAIR
You don't reeeallly want to be shooting bosses with recon
Its better to uh, melee and dance with the boss in melee
wheat stratus
recon burn is very nice on bosses
light ridge
Recon with Infernus melts bosses
umbral scaffold
think it's worth using for fun?
You can do amazing DMG to Boss enemies
light ridge
Recon with Infernus melts bosses
And I'm stacking Onslaught to help the rest
hollow ibex
the dps is actually quite low
wheat stratus
it's respectable, nothing spectacular like the bolter
umbral scaffold
I was thinking infiltration
hollow ibex
it's low, the main redeeming factor is that you don't need to do anything to maintain burn stacks basically
so it's still not bad
but it should ideally only be a supplement rather than the main source of boss damage
wheat stratus
if you going to meme with infiltrate might as well just use bolter
umbral scaffold
if you going to meme with infiltrate might as well just use bolter
I used super shotgun for fun
umbral scaffold
the dps is actually quite low
Let me get back to that one moment
wheat stratus
hmm you empty one clip of recon into cspawn butt that's 1/2 its hp
bolter about 1/4, but a lot faster
light ridge
With reload time recon should win out
wheat stratus
did not expect recon to come this close to bolter, wow
guess I like this gun even more now
hollow ibex
with headshots on plogryn, i'm getting half the ttk with bolter compared to infernus recon las mk xii
with ES
and with only bodyshots, ~31 sec for bolter, ~47 seconds for mk xii
i'm not sure how you're building your bolter
but you're building it wrong
wheat stratus
i'm not sure how you're building your bolter
what's the optimal boss bolter, it's cascade and bleed no?
hollow ibex
it's more down to the talent tree, i'm not even running a dedicated anti boss bolter
pinning fire doesn't proc on boss
also, bolter really likes headshots, makes less of a difference for recon, given recon being a low finesse weapon
fiery raft
You can do amazing DMG to Boss enemies
any specific weapon you recommend with infil?
unreal nova
pinning fire doesn't proc on boss
Not even if you VoC stagger or something?
umbral scaffold
Ok sorry I've read something the wrong way don't mind it
wheat stratus
I timed mine: las 31s bolter 30s, just unloading into cspawn butt
that is way too close
why the hell would I use bolter on my zealot now, I'll just recon there as well 🤔
hollow ibex
Not even if you VoC stagger or something?
I don't run VOC so idk
unreal nova
I don't run VOC so idk
It was mostly out of curiousity.
hollow ibex
I timed mine: las 31s bolter 30s, just unloading into cspawn butt
It's prob down to the talent tree
wheat stratus
It's prob down to the talent tree
it's the same tree, I just switched weapon, you got dumdum on recon btw?
because I do
unreal nova
Cos if you could VoC and trigger it, that's 5%-25% more damage or something.
hollow ibex
it's the same tree, I just switched weapon, you got dumdum on recon btw?
Yea
And the two guns should absolutely not be using the same tree
vernal trench
what's the optimal boss bolter, it's cascade and bleed no?
I think cavalcade and shattering impact maybe
If u cant stagger the boss
hollow ibex
Idk if brittleness does much for unyielding
vernal trench
Anyone plays helldivers 2 here
unreal nova
Same for kraking then shooting the boss.
vernal trench
Idk if brittleness does much for unyielding
It does to anything
Brittleness buffs ur damage to the boss
hollow ibex
Well yeah
hollow ibex
The question is whether it's worth over puncture
hollow ibex
Was it u siro guy
Nah I don't like helldivers
tropic halo
Whos the guy that i was gonna play helldivers with
Smorgas?
vernal trench
The question is whether it's worth over puncture
I bring puncture and shattering for mine
Might try different dtuff
hollow ibex
I bring puncture and shattering for mine
That's what I run on zealot
potent tusk
what is the best blue keystone for veteran?
tropic halo
Man got pinged
vernal trench
Had to check
hearty panther
wepspec is the coolest and situationally the best but focus target is just raw and easy output
tropic halo
They were talking about HD2 the other day with me though, could be someone else still
light ridge
The question is whether it's worth over puncture
During the Beast of Nurgle event Shattering and Cavalcade allowed my Zealot to kill them with 1 mag dump, Puncture didn't
vernal trench
They were talking about HD2 the other day with me though, could be someone else ...
U wanna play some hd2 with me?
Im doin bugs
Tryna get to 2 mil xp slowly slowly
tropic halo
I have not played for the game for while due how it has been a bit content drain
tropic halo
I really cant play the game today, maybe tomorrow
tropic halo
Oh wait I think i typed badly, I meant that i have not played the game properly like for few hours straight as i used to
tropic halo
Like few weeks?
umbral scaffold
i was pinged
tropic halo
I know we got the new warbond and the now new bug subfaction
But i am kinda wish we get more proper content
umbral scaffold
in the most degen channel in the server
dafuq
which one of you inbred squidbillies beckoned me
tall torrent
I timed mine: las 31s bolter 30s, just unloading into cspawn butt
Boltgun wants exe stance normally
umbral scaffold
Any death krieg korps build?
umbral scaffold
Any death krieg korps build?
just use the hellbore
light ridge
Bring Shovel , Hellbore and Shredders
vernal trench
in the most degen channel in the server
Noob
vernal trench
glad your neurons could fire off and produce that for you
hearty panther
does VoC give veteran MaxToughness + 50 or does it give them MissingToughness + 50
curious because born leader
hollow ibex
love how god damn ammo efficient ES graia is
tall torrent
does VoC give veteran MaxToughness + 50 or does it give them MissingToughness + ...
100% of max toughness + 50 toughness
the 50 toughness is not accounted by born leader on first activation
on 2nd activation (assuming the +50 toughness from first activation is still active)
the 100% of "max toughness" would include the +50 toughness from first activation
the +50 toughness from second activation is not included
hearty panther
so assuming youre still at max and gold toughness for that second shout right
Oh okay, that was confusing for my brain a second
mam born leader kinda rocks
in havoc anyway
umbral scaffold
Wow didn't think dead Korps build las gun shovel would be so good I hated las type but using bayonet change it all it is such a great weapon
And shovel during use for a year I forgot how universal and deadly it is
iron silo
Wow didn't think dead Korps build las gun shovel would be so good I hated las t...
Happy gas mask noises
viscid sparrow
Wow didn't think dead Korps build las gun shovel would be so good I hated las t...
which bayonet lasgun?
umbral scaffold
I used mk V
It's like a universal weapon to all distance
It's quite mobile
Even
And shovel
Mk III
But shovel is my favorite such massive DMG on special use
I crushed skulls like they where nothing big or normal enemies
Buy now I see that helbore Las is a weapon for master veteran
wheat stratus
Helbore pullout with that fast swap talent is actually pretty tolerable
umbral scaffold
I just also give you distance and you are not exposed so much to attack
Like hitting with revolver. It requires close range
Special attack
It's give much more control on moment facing horde
potent tusk
pepolz what is the best between theese 3 blue big perks
umbral scaffold
Because you can set enemies a the distance you want or killing if needed pushing away by combo with stabbing discreet power shooting that's why it's a master weapon
Tactical maybe in even in other words like playing chess with enemy
tame lodge
pepolz what is the best between theese 3 blue big perks
Rending or Bring it down
Depending on weapon
vernal trench
those arent big blue perks
tame lodge
Those are purple
You asked for the blues
Anyways it's weapon specialist
FT on some weapons
potent tusk
oh
tame lodge
MF is very niche
umbral scaffold
I want flamethrower for vet now !
potent tusk
im clinically colorblind so thats why sorry XDS
XD
i see yhose above as white/blue sky and those below as blue
umbral scaffold
I need to burrrnn🔥
wheat stratus
if you go WS make sure you pick guns that have big dmg, don't pick recon 😂
unreal nova
im clinically colorblind so thats why sorry XDS
Wait, so we shouldn't be telling you things liek the blue recon and such?
tame lodge
And if you pick Recon don't go for keystone 💀
potent tusk
if you go WS make sure you pick guns that have big dmg, don't pick recon 😂
hey,how do you know im using recon
unreal nova
if you go WS make sure you pick guns that have big dmg, don't pick recon 😂
Bolt Pistol has beeg damage?
wheat stratus
Yes and Yes
potent tusk
Wait, so we shouldn't be telling you things liek the blue recon and such?
there s only some colors i have troubles seeing,also,its not really that big of a difference
unreal nova
there s only some colors i have troubles seeing,also,its not really that big of ...
Ah, is mostly because i remember them by colors instead of the marks, lul.
potent tusk
oh well i dont know any name XD
i only know a few of them because i really like them
like agile engagement
i love that
(still lvl 27 tho)
is this good?
ops last message arrived first
wheat stratus
dear god
terse idol
is this good?
For what weapon
potent tusk
recon
vernal trench
insaen build
terse idol
Nooo
potent tusk
AHAHAH
terse idol
😭
That could almost work with
Revolver
If you took away the one random node you have in the middle
vernal trench
clinicall insane if u use it
terse idol
And took always prepared
potent tusk
clinicall insane if u use it
ahah
hey its my first build tho so its going to be iconic
terse idol
i cooked now
Unironically better
vernal trench
now im ready for havoc
tall torrent
i cooked now
What even is this
potent tusk
what do you want to see about my recon
potent tusk
What even is this
HE SAID ITS UNIRONICALLY BETTER
tall torrent
What is ur full build
potent tusk
wait thats a new recon i didnt even build it
tall torrent
How come u don’t have reciprocity or crit chance boost on a recon build
potent tusk
What is ur full build
i geniounly dont think you wanna see it
potent tusk
How come u don’t have reciprocity or crit chance boost on a recon build
IM NOT EVEN LVL 30
😭
tall torrent
Recon doesn’t scale great with any of the 3 keystones
potent tusk
terse idol
tall torrent
Don’t take longshot
terse idol
Is it just better to run recon without any keystones at this rate?
tall torrent
Is it just better to run recon without any keystones at this rate?
Tbh, if u had to get a keystone, just 1 point into WS
potent tusk
he's got grenade regen he's got shout he's havoc ready
THATS BECAUSE I PLAY PAYDAY 3 INFINITE GRANADE BUILD
terse idol
potent tusk
AHAH
tall torrent
Focus target takes 2 points to be good (needs redirect fire)
Marksman focus scaling with recon is meh
tall torrent
Reciprocity should be a top priority for any build with at least 1 weapon with major crit benefit somewhere
potent tusk
wait
i removed longshot
but what is redirect fire
oh found it
removed logn shot and put redirect fire
why is long shot bad tho?
its 20 per cent ranged damage
tall torrent
its 20 per cent ranged damage
No
potent tusk
whell as long as you re far away
tall torrent
It’s +0~20% damage against enemies 0-30m away
potent tusk
It’s +0~20% damage against enemies 0-30m away
THAT FAR
tall torrent
It stays at +0% damage until 12.5m away
potent tusk
HE DOESNT TELL THO
tall torrent
At ~13m it’s around +0.6% damage
potent tusk
It stays at +0% damage until 12.5m away
ok thats bad
tall torrent
I’ll let you take a guess if that’s useful
potent tusk
anything else i should change tho?
well,exept of course the entire build
unreal nova
Why move faster over survivalist?
Determined vs weak spot damage?
More suppression over shout means boss melts?
potent tusk
Determined vs weak spot damage?
unironically changed this just now before you telling me
i was chechking stuff and tought the same thing
i tought that weak spot was more important but wasnt sure as im using the recon
potent tusk
Why move faster over survivalist?
where is it??
unreal nova
Aura... The left one.
unreal nova
charred pulsar
Best pwoer sword mark?
unreal nova
vernal trench
Best pwoer sword mark?
12
charred pulsar
The lil one?
tropic halo
Power sword mark that has overheads from push block when
charred pulsar
I can only see 3 and 6
vernal trench
Shiny one
terse idol
The 6
vernal trench
3+6=12
charred pulsar
Aig and perks and blessings?
tall torrent
Best pwoer sword mark?
VI
charred pulsar
Got it, normals are no good right?
unreal nova
means whatttt? X
Check the images. Might be easier than explaining. And no, my recon build is an not uber terrible but still kinda terrible idea.
tall torrent
Got it, normals are no good right?
What are “normals”
faint beacon
And either BM or Sunder
Either Or
charred pulsar
Non power up swings
terse idol
potent tusk
Check the images. Might be easier than explaining. And no, my recon build is an ...
ok
done
i ve read what everything do
unreal nova
Non power up swings
If you don't power that up, it's like a pool noodle.
potent tusk
and changed everything
charred pulsar
fighting game terminology in my darktide
You got me
past oriole
You got me
make sure to spend your meter on the voice of command super as much as possible
unreal nova
Honestly, if you don't want survivalist for whatever reason, Fire team is still better than Close and Kill.
charred pulsar
✋🏼 🗿 🤚🏼
terse idol
You can certainly get away with recon build without survivalist if you have
Shocktrooper
And take fire team
faint beacon
1 per cent doesnt seems much when killing an elite
You should be meleeing more than shooting so you quickly get back a lot of ammo if you're playing Auric Damn
past oriole
does that make heavy attacks command normals
terse idol
1 per cent doesnt seems much when killing an elite
1% of maximum ammo
Recons have alotta max ammo
faint beacon
On the XII thats like 12 bullets
potent tusk
thats true
faint beacon
thats quite a bit if you're running Shocktrooper
charred pulsar
does that make heavy attacks command normals
Heavys are just attacks with 20+ frames start ups
past oriole
Heavys are just attacks with 20+ frames start ups
potent tusk
also another question
faint beacon
also another question
This a recon build?
potent tusk
how does "for the emperor!" work?
like,it says that it only lasts 5 seconds?
potent tusk
This a recon build?
ye
faint beacon
how does "for the emperor!" work?
like,it says that it only lasts 5 seconds?
when you use your ability it activates as a buff for yourself for that time
charred pulsar
Why not onslaugh?
faint beacon
Why not onslaugh?
Recon you always take it
potent tusk
its a nice buff
faint beacon
well "always"
potent tusk
dont know what onslaught is XD
faint beacon
its generally strong but you can make builds that dont use it
charred pulsar
Recon you always take it
Ye and bro is not using it
faint beacon
one moment
potent tusk
tryng to learn new perks here ahah
charred pulsar
It feels real nice, give onslaught a try
potent tusk
so that im not complete shit at the game XD
faint beacon
Recon XII is a gun where you generally go Keystoneless
potent tusk
Recon XII is a gun where you generally go Keystoneless
becaudse of its firerate?
vernal trench
so that im not complete shit at the game XD
I think ur ready for havoc 40 now
potent tusk
I think ur ready for havoc 40 now
ahahaha surely
vernal trench
ahahaha surely
faint beacon
becaudse of its firerate?
mainly cause the keystones dont- really massively benefit it
frigid hamlet
I love the recon
potent tusk
focus target says that you have to tag an enemy
faint beacon
Recon isn't finesse based, WS kinda goes against how it plays but it "works", and FT is just a good neutral pick but like- you can invest else where
potent tusk
how do you tag them
faint beacon
Anyways I run something like this
faint beacon
how do you tag them
Check PC or Controller binds and look for "Tag"
potent tusk
Anyways I run something like this
are krak granades bad for my build or its preference?
faint beacon
Focus Target just buffs tagging
potent tusk
Focus Target just buffs tagging
ohh aifght aight thks
faint beacon
are krak granades bad for my build or its preference?
If you're running onslaught your gun is Anti Carapace
Cause Brittleness is a debuff you're putting on the enemy that makes their armor overall weaker
vs Rending which is a Self Buff
potent tusk
tryng to find onslaught but not finding it XD
potent tusk
Cause Brittleness is a debuff you're putting on the enemy that makes their armor...
ohh ok ok
faint beacon
Anyways I run something like this
^ @potent tusk Refer to this
potent tusk
usually for carapaces and armored i use the heavy button on the katana
tall torrent
how do you tag them
Look up ur keybinds
faint beacon
usually for carapaces and armored i use the heavy button on the katana
Basically with Onslaught you just dump like
potent tusk
^ <@647513934680555523> Refer to this
found it
faint beacon
a few rounds into a Crusher to weaken them and then you can melee to kill them
tall torrent
a few rounds into a Crusher to weaken them and then you can melee to kill them
A few is 16
Well no, 17
It starts stacking from 2nd hit
faint beacon
Yeah true its not considered Continous till Second onwards
vernal trench
how do you tag them
Alt + f4
faint beacon
but XII fucking spits lasers insanely quickly
But I highly encourage using your melee more over your gun and you'll always have ammo on standby
good etiquette to get into with Veteran anyways
surreal gust
which grenade should I go for
vernal trench
which grenade should I go for
Gas
serene bough
Shredders are the most useful
potent tusk
a few rounds into a Crusher to weaken them and then you can melee to kill them
seems reaallly good
vernal trench
U can try out the new drone grenades in the new freedoms servants warbond too
potent tusk
cuz it seems really good
surreal gust
U can try out the new drone grenades in the new freedoms servants warbond too
i mean darktide grenades dude, for veteran
potent tusk
should i still change it to close quarters
vernal trench
i mean darktide grenades dude, for veteran
Batman
faint beacon
should i still change it to close quarters
You need to path through CQKZ in order to get Onslaught and TFD
faint beacon
Anyways I run something like this
Again just refer to this
tall torrent
i mean darktide grenades dude, for veteran
What weapons are u using
surreal gust
bit of everything
tall torrent
Narrow it down a bit pls
surreal gust
just using the emperor's stuff as I level up
tall torrent
Ok then krak for levelling
vernal trench
Double barrel shotgun is the havoc 50 meta rn
potent tusk
Again just refer to this
copied it
potent tusk
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jI2riL0EVDbgXcHAW?invite=c...
damn poor guy
ahahaah
faint beacon
You use Special Attack on shovel to apply Skullcrusher cause it effects your DOT output further
tropic halo
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jI2riL0EVDbgXcHAW?invite=c...
the amount of loadout sets 
faint beacon
the amount of loadout sets <:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
I like my loadouts
potent tusk
You use Special Attack on shovel to apply Skullcrusher cause it effects your DOT...
do i also need something else?
cuz i dont know if its working
faint beacon
tropic halo
I like my loadouts
I thought with the more extra loadouts mod only gives 7 more
potent tusk
i sure as hell am doing a lot of damage to him
faint beacon
I thought with the more extra loadouts mod only gives 7 more
You can go into the file and change it to any number
LMAO
I set it to 30
indigo totem
Sir yes sir o7
faint beacon
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jI2riL0EVDbgXcHAW?invite=c...
@slow sky You have any other tips you can give regarding your point and click veteran Recon build for @potent tusk
potent tusk
onslaught seems really good for any enemy actually
slow sky
It's more important than any keystone for infernus recon
It makes it viable against every enemy
faint beacon
onslaught seems really good for any enemy actually
Its extremely niche for very certain weapons which are literally just the Recon Las and the Vraks V Autogun
everything else doesn't get enough value out of it
potent tusk
Its extremely niche for very certain weapons which are literally just the Recon ...
well the weapons that have a high fire rate
makes sense
still those 2 weapons are meta right?
trim badger
Oh yeah... progress is being done quickly... now I just need 2 17% toughness curios
faint beacon
still those 2 weapons are meta right?
Recon and Vraks V? I mean yeah even outside of Onslaught
past oriole
ive been looking for 17% toughness curios for like ten (one) months
trim badger
ive been looking for 17% toughness curios for like ten (one) months
LOL
past oriole
trim badger
I'm gonna bet my entire contract points into it if necessary
unreal nova
Not enough points.
I am not dropping Field Improv.
Also, that flesh tearer and uncanny is just my standard red knoife. The blue one has mercy killer.
If you want, I can change it to my DS4./
faint beacon
Then just run Lacerate
Does the same thing you just have to condition yourself into Going from Body to Head with each swing
does the same exact thing as Un + FT
unreal nova
I don't wanna find another knoife. >_>
I already have 2.
The only reason I have two was the game mocking me.
I made my shiny 500 knoife.
Next mission, emperor gives me a 470 mobility dump knoife.
I'm not even kidding.
faint beacon
Just buy a bunch of knives and sell the ones that aren't Mobility dumps
thats what I do
unreal nova
I rather fish for other weapons to collect them all. >_>
faint beacon
It takes me not even like 3 minutes to get a dump
unreal nova
I never had any real luck.
Is why I usually avoid play gachas that people I know play.
Cos it takes me 3 years to get the same-ish pulls as they will in 6 months.
Cos I always hit pity.
wheat stratus
I thought the single digit warp res purge was gatcha
then there is that optimal plasma
holy shit
tall torrent
then there is that optimal plasma
loud belfry
@tired egret @summer lance
summer lance
<@658630856222572547> <@472745170455232543>
bro named himself the build
my plasma gun on vet is 60 on charge
and im too autistic to use anything that doesn't have even numbers, so i think ill stick with what iv got
tall torrent
isn't optimal plasma charge rate?
Nope
loud belfry
nope. but different marks have different damage numbers
summer lance
Nope
my ass aint spending 3 mil on a perfect plasma gun man, im still broke af
speaking of broke, iv gotta get a havoc mission done today for the cache tommorrow
trim badger
Weapons have a random max stat distrubtion as long as everything adds up to 380
loud belfry
if they have the exact same stats and are the same exact weapon then they will be the exact same except their mark could differentiate them
summer lance
500 weapons are weapons that have their stats upgraded to their full potential
if the stats are different, i.e., you have a max of 60 mobility on a melee, but on another of the same type and mark has 80, then when those are fully empowered to 500, then they will have a different mobility stat
trim badger
if they have the exact same stats and are the same exact weapon then they will b...
he's asking if 2 same weapons can have different stats
unreal nova
he's asking if 2 same weapons can have different stats
Technically, yes.
loud belfry
he's asking if 2 same weapons can have different stats
yeah, i assumed he wasnt since it's somewhat obvious that if they have different stat distributions then they'll be different
though i guess if one doesnt know what it means to be fully empowered then it's a fair enough question. fully empowering doesnt make your weapon 80 at each stat, a fully empowered weapon is still missing 20 points from one stat or a combination of multiple stats
trim badger
ye
pseudo fiber
forgot high havoc this week lol
latent parcel
High havoc for life
pseudo fiber
games have been poor
15 reward for me yippee
oh shit my clearance is gonna be 15 next week god damn it
unreal nova
High havoc for life
Carry me when?
unreal nova
wheres papa willy at
You know it can be like 20 hours from now or something. I'm mostly joking rn. Probs on the eepier side.
latent parcel
You know it can be like 20 hours from now or something. I'm mostly joking rn. Pr...
ok
unreal nova
No, I just scrolled down to check. He usually is still on helping ppl at this hour.
fiery raft
High havoc for life
Should I try high havoc?
tall torrent
Trying new builds , could use some recommendations
beginner level veteran for non-havoc
unreal nova
Should I try high havoc?
By that you mean skip to 40... uhh, depends on how good you are?
fiery raft
i mean, I'd like to try it just to see if I've got what it takes
because I don't really know how to gauge how good I am
tall torrent
because I don't really know how to gauge how good I am
are u struggling in auric or no
latent parcel
Should I try high havoc?
It's all I play nowadays but I got a ton of hours in the game.
unreal nova
You could cheese it with carries basically.
fiery raft
are u struggling in auric or no
Not really
tall torrent
Not really
are u carrying auric frequently
fiery raft
how can you tell?
tall torrent
how can you tell?
does ur name show up on top left killfeed the most
or if u have scoreboard mod, are u performing the best overall
fiery raft
let me check
unreal nova
I don't think that matters though. Isn't it more, how well can you clutch if things go down bad.
thorn lark
What's your average DMG taken score
fiery raft
or if u have scoreboard mod, are u performing the best overall
not frequently
hollow ibex
bring rashad and frags
play aggressively and melee all game
if you don't die you should get top or second most damage
fiery raft
What's your average DMG taken score
350-400
thorn lark
With shout?
You should aim for 200. But that's not bad. However you should really not start with h30+
fiery raft
im actually not sure ive been switching alot of builds and playing with new weapons
but probably for the most part yeah
ill try that for now
like mid havoc
thorn lark
H25 is ok
viscid sparrow
Oh yeah... progress is being done quickly... now I just need 2 17% toughness cur...
wait... what is this "sainted" rarity? modded, or havoc-exclusive?
thorn lark
So you can get a feel of the gunners
fiery raft
wait... what is this "sainted" rarity? modded, or havoc-exclusive?
mod
you can change the color
fiery raft
So you can get a feel of the gunners
will do, ty
viscid sparrow
you can change the color
I didn't ask because I wanted to download it, I asked because I was just curious.
nonetheless, thx for the clarification.
fiery raft
if you ever do then
trim badger
Rate my degeneracy (this is all I have in ranged)
unreal nova
Rate my degeneracy (this is all I have in ranged)
You want a bolt pistol round to the head, is it? 
trim badger
You want a bolt pistol round to the head, is it? <:Eula_Stare:825800593591238656...
and this is my only melee...
tall torrent
Rate my degeneracy (this is all I have in ranged)
Wrong build
trim badger
Wrong build
works well for havoc 40
tall torrent
works well for havoc 40
Drop carapace
trim badger
in favour of?
tall torrent
Unarmored
tall torrent
U decide if one shotting dreg tox bomber and dreg shotgunner is worth it
trim badger
kk
tall torrent
kk
Also
I think thermal dump is a safer pick than charge rate dump
If you have no resources to build a perfect plasma
trim badger
I got used to this charge rate so
tall torrent
Thermal dump is 1 less shot until vent, starting from 0 heat
Charge rate dump is lower dps
trim badger
Charge rate dump is lower dps
I would have ammo issues if I shot a lot anyways
tall torrent
Obv build a perfect plasma if u can
trim badger
What's the perfect plasma for havoc 40 tho?
tall torrent
But if u can’t, charge rate > thermal resist
tall torrent
What's the perfect plasma for havoc 40 tho?
this is perfect plasma roll, period
topaz hollow
I thought charge rate was only for held ?
trim badger
got itt
tall torrent
I thought charge rate was only for held ?
It’s not
topaz hollow
Huh fun
trim badger
this is perfect plasma roll, period
I'll try to get this then
topaz hollow
Now see theses are among many things i wish wete explained in game
Played since veta and was my main weapon for a good part if it and i didnt even knew that
tall torrent
Now see theses are among many things i wish wete explained in game
It is written in game
hollow ibex
there's worse things in the game that aren't explained
topaz hollow
It is written in game
Where
tall torrent
Where
Go inspect weapon
Look at what charge rate says
Affects hipfire and braced fire
Hipfire is left click
hollow ibex
i wonder what percentage of players actually get that far lol
topaz hollow
I mean wouldve i been wrong to have simply assumed it was just charged shots?
hollow ibex
it's like nested within a menu of a menu of a menu
topaz hollow
Charge rate. Charged shot
tall torrent
I mean wouldve i been wrong to have simply assumed it was just charged shots?
Yea, that’s where most people start to be wrong
Assumption ≠ truth
topaz hollow
It should be something that pops up when you over the stats
Not like siro says. A menu in a menu
tall torrent
Of all things they don’t explain properly
This is one of the few things that are actually in the game
The more egregious example would be every single stagger value displayed in damage inspection tables being wrong
topaz hollow
I mean with the states the blessing were in half thr time i trusted nore was written here
Cayse half the time it was garggled up code instead of descriptions
unreal nova
and this is my only melee...
.-. And here I thought my bolt pistol spam was bad. I at least have a recon.
trim badger
.-. And here I thought my bolt pistol spam was bad. I at least have a recon.
Level 31 vet ready for Havoc 40s 
(already did the 40 one of this week)
unreal nova
And god knows how many 500 melees on my vet. Why do I have more maxed melees on my vet than my Zealot again?
trim badger
this is perfect plasma roll, period
Almost almostr
I need to keep going...
The addiction is now real
charred pulsar
Is iron will a must in each vet build?
charred pulsar
I want the extra 10% speed node but idk what else to sacrifice
trim badger
WELL WELL WELL @tall torrent
hollow ibex
what weapons are you using?
hollow ibex
WELL WELL WELL <@366562874039992331>
bruh i spent 2.5m
still don't have a perfect plasma
trim badger
Now u hope hadron doesn’t change its stats
happened with my duelling sword
if it happens I'm killing myself
charred pulsar
what weapons are you using?
Recon lasgun, and I'm trying different weapons that aren't knife or dueling sword, these are in other builds
trim badger
Now u hope hadron doesn’t change its stats
AAA YES
hollow ibex
Recon lasgun, and I'm trying different weapons that aren't knife or dueling swor...
drop skirmisher and go without any keystones, recon las doesn't need keystones
charred pulsar
drop skirmisher and go without any keystones, recon las doesn't need keystones
But it feels sooo good to stack the 10 stacks of keystone and go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
charred pulsar
Is not viable or does it waste too much ammo?
hollow ibex
you're already spending 3 points to pick up onslaught
hollow ibex
Is not viable or does it waste too much ammo?
a lot of things are viable, but not necessarily recommended
trim badger
gonna do that
charred pulsar
Could you elaborate on the why not recomend for the keystone when recon las
I'm curious
hollow ibex
Could you elaborate on the why not recomend for the keystone when recon las
it simply doesn't synergize much with keystones
like this is what a basic recon las build looks like
unreal nova
Could you elaborate on the why not recomend for the keystone when recon las
WS does nothing cos 10 shots in half a sec of low damage. You might buff your melee.
Focus is just focus, if you ping lots, I guess. Problem is recon uses too much talents.
trim badger
Yea u can sell every other plasma now
I'm gonna be sad when selling the old one
I even gave it a goodbye name
unreal nova
I even gave it a goodbye name
Just keep it.
trim badger
Just keep it.
for what purpose
tall torrent
I'm gonna be sad when selling the old one
The old one was nowhere near perfect lol
tall torrent
60% charge rate is ~8.5% slower fire rate than perfect roll
unreal nova
for what purpose
Because old best friend? I'm sentimental like that.
trim badger
60% charge rate is ~8.5% slower fire rate than perfect roll
1.4 vs 1.29
charred pulsar
Goodbye 10 stacks of BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
hollow ibex
Will give it a try and see how it goes
remember, you should be using your melee a good amount
charred pulsar
Aye
hollow ibex
biggest mistake i see from recon las players is overdependency on the gun
and then ending up bottom damage, with most ammo taken lol
tall torrent
1.4 vs 1.29
Yea. Around 8% better fire rate
Given how much of a boost 10% melee atk speed is for most weapons
That’s not a small thing
trim badger
Will probably re-do a duelling sword
tall torrent
With different blessings
trim badger
just for that 1% difference of me getting FUCKED by hadron
charred pulsar
Hey yo
unreal nova
just for that 1% difference of me getting FUCKED by hadron
Hi, hadron bricks my bolt pistols.
charred pulsar
I somehow ended up with the 10% atta speed node and a keystone
unreal nova
4 of them to be exact.
charred pulsar
Wtf
unreal nova
i feel you
My OCD meant I straight up rerolled a new one.
charred pulsar
did you miss the crit chance node?
The first at the right side? Yeah, but I'm using onslaught
fiery raft
oh okay
fiery raft
My OCD meant I straight up rerolled a new one.
i see
charred pulsar
Using this
fiery raft
you should probably switch shocktrooper for superiority complex
ive heard that survivalist is good enough to replace it
charred pulsar
ive heard that survivalist is good enough to replace it
What about the 2 working togueter for even more ammo
trim badger
OK DONE
fiery raft
What about the 2 working togueter for even more ammo
i mean, ive never used recon much
unreal nova
@tall torrent Recon suppression talent sucks, RIGHT?
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> Recon suppression talent sucks, RIGHT?
What
KTHD?
It’s ok for recon
charred pulsar
Should I swap duck and dive for the node in the middle so I can pick up the more crits and finesee dmg node?
tall torrent
Should I swap duck and dive for the node in the middle so I can pick up the more...
get CQKZ over duck & dive
desperado also very good
reciprocity also very good
charred pulsar
Hope I can still get onslaught
Let me check
Dang Im short 1 point
Want onslaught
charred pulsar
You are good until 25
unreal nova
Mine is 400 and people say is a fake one
Fake. Count in psykhanium and then join a sedation mission and count again. Leave after.
charred pulsar
Aig
unreal nova
All my sub 410s were fakes.
Sedation mostly cos nobody will be playing them. Though if you see a newbie and wanna help, up to you.
charred pulsar
Oke practice area says 6 rectangles
Lets see in an actual mission
Dang 5 rectangles
unreal nova
Yep, a fake.
azure stream
they said they were gonna think about it irrc , well figure out a way to make curios meaningfull
but fatshark time is like valve time
uncut pebble
If they release a curio rework, I hope for things to cap out at
25% hp
20% toughness
2 wounds
3 stamina
This being said, you would now have the possibility to run into 8 wound vets and psykers.
9 wound ogryns, 10 wound zealouts.
azure stream
hollow ibex
i hope they rework curio acquisition
charred pulsar
Let us fashion our curios too
Let us choose the thing inside the casquet
Also with each upgrade a purity seal i added
Hell, sell premium curio fashion at comodores too
tall torrent
Hell, sell premium curio fashion at comodores too
wtf no
charred pulsar
I want to play barbie rejects
tall torrent
quick question, why reload dump on revolver?
I didn't write that
orchid hemlock
I think it makes sense since you will probably use always prepared with the revolver
fiery raft
I don’t update word document now
you just wokring on the steam guide now?
hollow ibex
yeah he's focusing on DK2 the steam guide
tall torrent
you just wokring on the steam guide now?
Yea
I updated all talent sections in steam version recently
Gonna revamp blessing sections
Then melee weapons (?)
fiery raft
alright sweet
best of luck
what's a havoc build i could use?
or i guess instead
what are some weapons for havoc
tall torrent
what are some weapons for havoc
Combat axe III
Power sword VI
Duelling sword IV
Combat blade VI
Plasma gun
Recon lasgun VIc / XII
Boltpistol
indigo totem
Combat axe III
Power sword VI
Duelling sword IV
Combat blade VI
Plasma gun
Reco...
are you kuli on steam ?
tall torrent
are you kuli on steam ?
No
indigo totem
got a link for your steam guide my friend
tall torrent
But I’m working very closely with him on my guide
indigo totem
awesome !
tall torrent
got a link for your steam guide my friend
Unfortunately it’s like maybe 40% done
It’s missing very large sections like
Half of intro
The entire melee weapon section
The entire curio section
The entire enemy breakdown section
The entire havoc related section
Also I’m maybe 10% done with revamping blessings’ sections
indigo totem
Unfortunately it’s like maybe 40% done
is there no link for now ? i'd still be happy to have it on hand as you update it, very much interested 🙂
tall torrent
is there no link for now ? i'd still be happy to have it on hand as you update i...
The only way to see it rn is to be a contributor so yea
I can send u parts if u want
Just ask
I have all talents and ranged weapons done
indigo totem
The only way to see it rn is to be a contributor so yea
that's fine brother, i can be patient, if there is something i want to know in the mean time i'll 100% send you a message here, much appreciated mate, looking forward to it ! 🙂
tall torrent
that's fine brother, i can be patient, if there is something i want to know in t...
Wait maybe 3-5 months unironically
indigo totem
Wait maybe 3-5 months unironically
i'm 100% ok with that, i respect the effort truly
tall torrent
I think by the time I finish it Fatshark will drop their first major update of 2025 so I’ll need to adjust accordingly
But tbh the biggest section I’d need to do would be melee
Need to figure out a way to display attack combos
hollow ibex
i think the way ogrynomicon or atheneum does it works just fine 🤔
tall torrent
Yea I’ll look into theirs
More like idk how to do graphics designs yet so I’ll get there when I get there
Good news is melee weapons have far fewer breakpoints to talk about
Bad news is melee weapons have far more intricate details to talk about
hollow ibex
More like idk how to do graphics designs yet so I’ll get there when I get there
just rip it from ogrynomicon
tall torrent
I think 7 of my ranged weapon sections are just a few characters away from limit
potent tusk
hello! people of the darktide
Beneath the shroud of flickering light,
Where steel meets bone in endless night,
The Darktide swells—a cursed flood,
Drenched in sweat and steeped in blood.
i have a question for yall today!
are krak granades good? if yes,when/where do you use them
hollow ibex
More like idk how to do graphics designs yet so I’ll get there when I get there
pretty clear imo
if you need help with a template or something lmk
indigo totem
But tbh the biggest section I’d need to do would be melee
Oh actually now that you mention it there is something i'd like to ask if you know, if i apply falter on my shockmaul, "Additionally, increases ranged stagger strength by 30%."
and i have a ranged weapon equipped in hand, does that improve stagger strength on my ranged weapon or my shredder grenades ?
and does falter even work with shredder grenades at all ?
I cannot for the life see a difference but don't wanna call it quits on it yet
tall torrent
Oh actually now that you mention it there is something i'd like to ask if you kn...
Falter for shock maul doesn’t affect ranged
potent tusk
no one answered.. ):
hollow ibex
hello! people of the darktide
Beneath the shroud of flickering light,
Where stee...
they're good. and it depends on how many kraks you have/how much you invested in nade generation
indigo totem
hello! people of the darktide
Beneath the shroud of flickering light,
Where stee...
in lower levels before you get access to all weapons/talents, sure there is a case to be made, you can absolutely make them work in the highest difficulty, but no they are not good, shredder grenades + uncanny do a better job 🙂
tall torrent
It makes shock maul’s melee attacks on weakspot add a further x0.1 multiplier to enemy’s stagger reduction
So for example, against dreg rager
hollow ibex
but generally, you use them on walls of bulwarks, crushers, bosses
just be careful not to krak something that's being deleted by the duelling sword zealot lol
tall torrent
They have 10 stagger threshold and 50 reduction
By default all weakspot hits ignore 50% of stagger reduction
But this is still not enough for shock maul to stagger dreg rager with heavy attack
With falter, it now can
potent tusk
but generally, you use them on walls of bulwarks, crushers, bosses
yea thats why i wanted to use them
i have troubles killing bosses and
tall torrent
It’s ok for mk III shock maul since the other stagger blessing (hammerblow) doesn’t hit new stagger breakpoints and takes time to stack
indigo totem
It makes shock maul’s melee attacks on weakspot add a further x0.1 multiplier to...
sad, does it work if i have it applied for ranged weapod, have ranged weapon equipped, does it then affect shredders ?
and yeh that is a very nice threshold to note
tall torrent
sad, does it work if i have it applied for ranged weapod, have ranged weapon equ...
I’m 99% sure falter only works while the weapon is in hand
And it won’t affect shredders
Since it’s weakspot hit only
Explosion cannot weakspot or crit hit
indigo totem
And it won’t affect shredders
Dammit LMAO, oh the stagger strength is only weakspot?
the additionally part of the blessing
damn that sucks
but does explain why i noticed piss all when i tried it
Much appreciated brother thank you !
fiery raft
Combat axe III
Power sword VI
Duelling sword IV
Combat blade VI
Plasma gun
Reco...
what's the idea for bistol?
sounds interesting
indigo totem
sounds interesting
lethal proximity + grenade tinkerer for BIG BOOMS on shredder grenades 🙂
you don't have to have it equipped you just always get 14m radius shredders (just under ogryn frag bomb)
fiery raft
and i assume puncture as well?
indigo totem
correct although execution does work while equipped for bleed damage
i still think puncture is better though
fiery raft
what's the talent tree look like?