veteran-class

[vernal trench]

The groan too

[tropic halo]

[wild vortex]

Oh no

Loyal Protector on D tier, okay buddy

[vernal trench]

Lmfao welcome to tanners world

Surprised he didnt make a special tier just for shout with how hard he crutches on it

[light ridge]

It is, it's in game breaking

[tropic halo]

Must use golden toughness...

[wild vortex]

I want to see this video but i dont have 3 hrs of my life to waste

[vernal trench]

Dame

Same

[tropic halo]

No timestamps for each ability just makes me not wanna watch it lol

[vernal trench]

I wanna see his dogshit takes and see what goes on in his tiny mind

But its not worth 3 hours of yapping

[light ridge]

I either listen to a director inform me of something I already know or waste time on Tanner

[vernal trench]

Lmfao

[tropic halo]

I would like to see how he switches tone when he starts to talk about ogryn and i would bet he spends like 1 hour and plus complaining about ogryn entirely as a class

No timestamps though so not worth the watch to skip sections

[tame lodge]

Hold on

A havoc list

With loyal protector on D?

Lmao

[tropic halo]

No idea if it is a havoc only list but would not be surprised if it is

[light ridge]

He has a Havoc and casual rating

[tame lodge]

Crit Aura on B

Bacon on D

What am I looking at

[tropic halo]

5 hours video Tier list of all class weapons when just to see when he talks about ogryn

Actually 8 hours

[light ridge]

TLDR: only play exactly one list of each class, it might be mid but Tanner says it's the best

Zealot Shroudfield Game breaking tier
Veteran Infiltration D tier

...

Dps monkeys and (arguably) one of the most tanky classes get to break aggro without added utility
Vet needs to shout

[wild vortex]

"I think coherency should be removed from the gane and auras be a universal effect" - truly a Tanner take of all time

[vernal trench]

these poor lost souls in his comments

why is it everyone who complains just has a massive skill issue

[wild vortex]

Coward Culling so bad, free +20% damage aura so bad

[vernal trench]

these poor noobs

i feel bad for them

its easier to blame the game design than ur own skill issue

[haughty marlin]

brunt always has just what I need

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-441666516964176409

They cant be saved anymore

[vernal trench]

[vernal trench]

god roll holy shit u gotta get this one dont miss out

[haughty marlin]

fr no cap

[hearty panther]

It's pretty bad. All Ogryn auras are, really, and it's still better than the toughness replenish aura, but it's still bad.

Wait wrong quote.

[austere pine]

just tried my hand at h40 and it wasn't as bad as i thought it would be

[vernal trench]

tanners enemy breakdown videos are good

but his view on the game abilities are so dogshitly horrendous

[vernal trench]

na its pretty chill tbh

[hearty panther]

It's not global 20% damage that's for sure. It's 20% damage against enemies that are suppressed who can be suppressed. That's a very small list of enemies

[austere pine]

the difficulty tapers off at around 25

[wild vortex]

I am aware, but that list includes dangerous enemies like gunners

[vernal trench]

ur an ogryn ur gonna be suppressing or staggeringeverything

[hearty panther]

Stagger isn't suppression.

[vernal trench]

probbaly 30 imo

[vernal trench]

idk i dont play ogryn

[tame lodge]

Shoot at hordes of Groaners

[vernal trench]

lmao tanner put smokes in D

[hearty panther]

Here's what can be suppressed:
Gunners
Reapers
Scab Shooters
Dreg and Scab Stalkers but only while their gun is out.
That's the list.

[tame lodge]

He's a certified smoke hater

That's that

[austere pine]

i think starting at 18 (about where i'd put auric damnation), the difficulty ramps up till about 25 (but could be 30 as chonky said)

[steep flower]

H40 Horror made manifest, 40k Century, colorized

[pseudo fiber]

So that's why someone asked about that in general earlier

[austere pine]

and then it's just what auric maelstrom does as extra, a ton of elites and specials

[vernal trench]

u playin?

[austere pine]

groaners can also be suppressed

oddly enough

[hearty panther]

Oh yea I forget that. Since it's pretty pointless lol.

[vernal trench]

they get scared sometimes

[austere pine]

yeah i mean

[tame lodge]

They are just civilians in distress

[austere pine]

it's just kinda silly that suppression should, in theory, apply to every sentient unit

[tame lodge]

Now ignore Moebian 21st Groaners being suppressed

[hearty panther]

But yeah that's all you can score 20% damage against with that aura.

It's not a very good aura.

[austere pine]

(poxwalkers and monstros being the only ones that wouldn't feel suppressed)

[tame lodge]

Dreg Bruisers should be suppressable
He's just a fanatical dude with a melee weapon

[vernal trench]

tanners been crying abot smokes for 10 mins straight lmfao

[tame lodge]

Now Scabs

[light ridge]

Crusher, Maulers, Ragers, Shotgunners, ...

[austere pine]

they are sentient so should be suppressable

[hearty panther]

Yeah no I'd rather if every gun didn't become Smite with ammo cost.

[steep flower]

Soon; i will try helping ppl get TS

[austere pine]

shotgunners should be suppressable

because suppression is the feeling of "OH SHIT I'M BEING SHOT AT" regardless of whether or not the shots are actually hitting

and shotgunners aren't nearly armored enough to ignore this feeling

[tame lodge]

They have high morale though

[light ridge]

I don't disagree but those bastards clearly don't care until they fall over

[tame lodge]

"You're not even a real soldier"

[austere pine]

maulers, crushers and bulwarks, seeing as they're basically impervious to all conventional weaponry, don't need to care

i think a commissar would be suppressable

[vernal trench]

wehn

[austere pine]

because fucking

[vernal trench]

i wont be on for long

[austere pine]

you're getting shot at

[tame lodge]

Don't worry, most weapons have like 0.something suppression value

[austere pine]

a single shot means you're as good as dead

[steep flower]

10 MINS

[vernal trench]

oh ok

no problem ime ating anyway

[tame lodge]

While others just have high on kill suppression

Like the slug having 10

[vernal trench]

lmao if i made a tier list nothing will be below b tier

[tame lodge]

"Oh shit this dude got sniped by a slug"

[vernal trench]

u can literally run anything anywhere in the game

[austere pine]

well, if you see a guy's head get a hole through it and the projectile that caused it got embedded in the wall behind the guy, you'd also be scrambling to run the fuck away

[austere pine]

autopistol

[vernal trench]

yea na that shit sucks

[austere pine]

one item in c tier

[vernal trench]

that gets a F tier

dude i need to make an autopistol buiild for havocs

its gonna be so troll

[tame lodge]

Born Leader with the Toughness on Firing blessing

[austere pine]

i had a vet use it

[tame lodge]

[austere pine]

and i kept asking myself "why is this guy not shooting down specials and snipers? he literally has a ciag!"

and then i notice, at the final objective that no, he does not, in fact, have a ciag

[vernal trench]

autopistol is gonna tickle the enemies on a 40

lmfao

[austere pine]

3 toughness/s

[tame lodge]

The SAP SFX gets ingrained in your brain after some time

[austere pine]

suppression beast

[tame lodge]

You learn to hate it

[vernal trench]

not even with how little ammo u get

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-annoyed-hopeless-sigh-ironman-gif-14047096

[light ridge]

Reginald brought Autopistol to H40, it was both amusing and pointless

[austere pine]

if they gave the gun 2k backup ammo it'd be good

[vernal trench]

holy fuck dude

this guy took 2.6k damage wtf

[austere pine]

i swear to god the worst part of the gun was thinking how i'm only getting like 120 bullets per pickup whereas every other guy could be killing a bajillion people with less bullets from a pickup

[austere pine]

it's as zealot

[vernal trench]

is it on youtube?

[vernal trench]

2.6k is insane

even 1k is insane

[vernal trench]

hes not running martydom

or whatever that is idk

[austere pine]

efficient spam of revenant

[vernal trench]

na he was just bad lmfao

[austere pine]

second wind

[light ridge]

Should be, was with Zealot. Autopistol and the bad chainaxe

[vernal trench]

there was at some point that guy fell off

i got him up

he fell of straigth aggain

and downed and died for like no fucking reason

[austere pine]

some people's access to the internet should be revoked i swear to god

there's no way the people enjoy being miserably bad at the game

like, surely some people would prefer playing stuff like terraria

[vernal trench]

@unreal nova

i think hes talking to u

tanner says infiltrate literally does nothing

[austere pine]

bro

BRO

i'm truly something

[vernal trench]

he literally cant think even half outside the box

[austere pine]

here's what i've been using. sure, it's built correctly, but the stats could be improved

i decide to get myself another relic blade and upgrade it where the dump stat is mobility

[vernal trench]

idk i dont use relic blade i wouuldnt know

[austere pine]

i upgrade and empower it

[light ridge]

Reginald also recently did a melee-only all vet H40 run without gold Toughness or shredders allowed
Smoke carried them through

[vernal trench]

💀

[austere pine]

but because of a weird bug happening, when you exit a sub-menu, you select the top weapon in the list, not the one which you were just looking at (pisses me off to no end btw)

and guess fucking what i have

already had, should say

[vernal trench]

this guys a whole circus i cant even click off cuz evrything he says is so clownable

[vernal trench]

sounds like someone who actually knows his shit

[austere pine]

"game breaking"
survivalist, aka an upgraded base-kit veteran aura, and shredder frag, an upgraded base-kit veteran grenade

i have a feeling this guy thinks veteran is the most op class in the game

[vernal trench]

lmfao for sure

veteran is probably the weakest or second weakst behind zealot

if ur talking about absolute max potential play

[light ridge]

Reginald and his mates seem to know what they're doing and how to have fun doing it

[austere pine]

i've just spent maybe 4k plasteel getting something i already have

[vernal trench]

lmao yea

[steep flower]

[vernal trench]

u done yet papa

[steep flower]

i am

[formal ice]

Money waster, could have given to me that money to buy warpstone

[austere pine]

so you can get high?

[vernal trench]

aight give me a sec

[austere pine]

the emperor does not support this action

[steep flower]

Petty beggar

[formal ice]

You use stimms

[austere pine]

which are stimulants, not drugs

[formal ice]

Literally drugs

[austere pine]

the emperor does support stimms, as the adepta sororitas use them to bring people to the right path, the path of repentance

[formal ice]

Theres probably a random ogryn out there buying a stock of red stimms because it makes him more strong

[austere pine]

it's the bully ogryn most definitely

[vernal trench]

aight papa im ready

get in here u willy

[formal ice]

If I put warpstone around a metal case and called it Magic Stimm would it be legal

[steep flower]

Gunlugger; cause for some reason when you inject a foreign substance into your body your gun performs better too

Makes sense

[austere pine]

gunlugger bully yes

[vernal trench]

i wish the stims went up ur azz instead or god knows where

itll have a greater effect

[steep flower]

where?

[austere pine]

i doubt they even work as intended for ogryns

[vernal trench]

lets go 10

[vernal trench]

join us

lets do havoc 40s

[austere pine]

because there's no way something that works well for human injection

that would also work for ogryns and vice versa

EU?

[tame lodge]

The machine spirit isn't real muhfuhs when my gun wants drugs

[vernal trench]

yea

were ins trike team 10

well i am

pap is comin

[wild vortex]

I was trying to see the Tanner video but I can't man

I just can't

[minor stump]

Does electrocuted count as stagger for the purposes of shock maul(alt attack) + skullcrusher?

Imma ask psyker chat. Psyker love electricity

[neat stratus]

I like to imagine that the lore reason is combat stims make them aim better, but the ogryn brain can't comprehend that they're missing so they think whatever they shoot at is getting hit with every bullet

They think the stim makes them do more damage, when in reality they're just hitting more shots

[orchid hemlock]

ORK LOGIC CONFIRMED????

[unreal nova]

Wat?

[thorn lark]

why?

[hearty panther]

Even with the built in crit bonus it doesn't proc reliably enough and only really matters against Crushers, where the ttk gain is incredibly minimal

[hollow ibex]

sad talent

[hearty panther]

If it stacked four times maybe we'd care.

Either way it competes with a +25 toughness node for pathing and that's a really good pick and you shouldn't feel bad for taking that instead.

Boring, sure, but effective.

[shadow dagger]

just watched a qper in iiiveg comment every time he got hit by a special or elite

or basically every time he took more than toughness damage

mate theres a second burster right behind the first one

stop trying to say wtf or spam question marks in text chat

[fair river]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-update-nothing-dissappointment-gif-9922939

@
its nothing new

[tame lodge]

So glad they release that

Character art is goated

[vernal trench]

@austere pine

[inner temple]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-soldier-soldier-meet-the-team-gif-5973890219255947351

[radiant chasm]

Electrocuted, stunned, and staggered are all different conditions

Stagger is simple, and stun is as well since there is not a lot of sources for it

Electrocuted is weird

[clear lantern]

indeeds, hogs were ridden

[vernal trench]

many of them indeed

[clear lantern]

30-50 by my count;' feral too

[vernal trench]

feral at first

but we tamed them all

and rode them once more

[clear lantern]

made 'em pigs

[vernal trench]

beautifully large porks

[clear lantern]

baconators

[vernal trench]

they reside in our stomachs now

[clear lantern]

we are the Hams of Theseus

[vernal trench]

beautiful

brings tears to my eyes

[radiant chasm]

First, any shockmaul swing that staggers an enemy will apply a 0 dps electrocute debuff, as well as smite and electro staff rmb. This will let you proc high voltage

You can proc electrocute on any enemy with special action with shockmaul, and this form will have a small dps damage overtime. This also goes for the smite extension heavy attack talent

[vernal trench]

ferret

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-running-away-running-escape-animal-gif-14844387

[inner temple]

What if I used a ton of bullets on a nurgle puppy?

[grand lintel]

60 hours playtime and i only just now have the penance for 2500 kills with 10 stacks of marksman's focus lol

[brazen steppe]

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/bvndit-dead-chat-dead-group-chat-lol-gif-26075659

[shadow dagger]

hours don't really mean anything when it comes to those penances

not only because those usually get done within single digit hours after starting them

but also because nobody ever seems to use marksmans focus

so the only way most people get that penance is if they go out of their way to do so

[native robin]

I just crouched walked a lot since that doesn't cause the stacks to decay and shot at every horde with a recon lasgun. Definitely one of the shittier penances and keystones because who the hell stays still and just fires continuously in a tide game? Sure it gives headshots an even bigger incentive but by the time you're at full stacks you get maybe a few kills in before it's time for melee unless you're playing malice or below

[vernal trench]

marksman fuzz

[vernal trench]

they dont go down as long as u pop a headshot kill every few seconds

[native robin]

True but 2500 kills at 10 stacks plus is a drag because the only reason to use marksman's focus is for the penance

[vernal trench]

it goes well with exec stance

[native robin]

Sure, maybe you've got great aim and great teammates that allow you to stand still a lot but seeing the number barely change and realising you're stuck with this bad keystone even longer is depressing

[vernal trench]

its not for everyone so yea

[grand lintel]

i had exec stance, i just mostly used the recon lasgun for focusing ranged and specialists rather than horde clear, I'd only pick off small groups to build up the 15 stacks quickly

[native robin]

Wow, worst ability synergises with worst keystone. Doesn't make it better

[vernal trench]

exec stnace is really good

just very hard to use

[shadow dagger]

infiltrate is right there

[native robin]

To be fair I play mostly melee centered builds so my experience will definitely be worse than others

[vernal trench]

are u tanner on an alt?

[wanton dawn]

The hell is this

[shadow dagger]

thats a new member icon

for flair

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, that's my point

[shadow dagger]

whats this supposed to mean 😭

[vernal trench]

he has teh most dogshit takes and thinks shout is teh ebst thing ever

[shadow dagger]

whats that have to do with

[native robin]

Who's tanner?

[shadow dagger]

with me trying to make a joke by saying infiltrate is a bad ability

[wanton dawn]

someone that got a bit too much sun

[vernal trench]

infiltrate is absolutely goated

[native robin]

Shouldn't that make that person tanned?

[shadow dagger]

it was a joke

not a great one

but a joke nonetheless

[dapper plank]

i dont get the shredder grenade hype... sure it's always stagger, but with 1 it's never more then stagger right. 2 is horde clear, 3 + uncanny strike kills everything, but has a setup of 10 sec.

[wanton dawn]

Man, vet chat being snarky today

[vernal trench]

its extremely good on havocs

[tall torrent]

Wannabe YouTuber. Horrible person

[vernal trench]

cuz u can spam so much of them

[shadow dagger]

because its not kraks its as close to a normal grenade as you can get on vet

[dapper plank]

saw a video just now using lots of it, h40, it was just used as stagger

[vernal trench]

kraks usefullnes fall of really hard in higher difficulties

[vernal trench]

it has bleed stacks taht can weaken an entire horde of crushers

[shadow dagger]

neither of the alt blitzes actually do anything about the horde trying to stick its fingers in your mouth

[vernal trench]

or kill them

[dapper plank]

once used to do tiny dmg to 4 bulwarks that died a second after the second grernade was thrown.

[uncut pebble]

Infiltrate is bad and only sees usefulness if you are planning for failure. Do not @ me, I am correct.

[tall torrent]

Bleeding 20 elites for 1.5k damage each (besides crushers) plus stagger

[uncut pebble]

🚬

[tall torrent]

With 3 capacity

[vernal trench]

if u say so buckeroo

[tall torrent]

Krak has 2 and has much lower AoE in comparison

[uncut pebble]

Do you understand the concept of a damage disparity and how it works?

[grand lintel]

how does finesse damage even work?

[vernal trench]

if u use shredders it can take up to a third of ur damage output the whole game or more

[dapper plank]

sure, but my krak kills 2-3 of them and staggers most of it, only 1 grenade, no need for uncanny or investing in that situation, just throw when they are on the way 30m away.

[tame lodge]

Vaguely explaining
Weakspot and Crit damage goes up

[shadow dagger]

finesse influences how much headshot, crit, and crit headshot damage you do

[dapper plank]

throw and forget

[vernal trench]

on low difficulties sure

one krak cant even kill a bulwark

and theres tons of armored elites at any point of the game

[tall torrent]

Great question https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1336946414613430353/Screenshot_2025-02-06_012727.png?ex=67ace820&is=67ab96a0&hm=5491d116abc3a81edf5a967214310362b4f30cdd0a8717aebed63e2250537639&

[vernal trench]

were talking 30 crushers maulers bulwarks or more

[shadow dagger]

kraks dont kill more than like 2 or 3 crushers at a time even if you stun and stack em directly on top of each other

[vernal trench]

kraks are useless in havocs

[dapper plank]

i've never thrown a krak without killing a bulwark, unless it was the green havoc kind.

[midnight totem]

Funny thing is you can crouch walk and melee and itd be easier to get

[vernal trench]

it wont kill one in havocs

[grand lintel]

of course they made it this complicated lmao

[dapper plank]

what level of havoc

[vernal trench]

if u see the amount of armored elites in a high havoc ull understand

[tall torrent]

It’s one of the less complicated things in the game

[wanton dawn]

am blind

[vernal trench]

35-40

not sure if 30 a krak can kill a bulwark

[grand lintel]

exactly

[midnight totem]

I once killed 12+ maulers with two kraks

Insta patrol wipe

[grand lintel]

generally if you can't visualise the impact a stat has without a calculator and a graph it's too complicated for a game imo

[dapper plank]

so the one situation shredders is GREAT, is havoc 30+ against groups of 20 crushers/bulwarks, assuming you run uncanny.

[tame lodge]

The 4800 bulwark getting 7200 HP on havoc goes crazy

[vernal trench]

u dont need uncanny

uncanny just buffs it

[dapper plank]

afaik bleed does no dmg without uncanny

[vernal trench]

it does a lot of damage

and the blast radius is big

[dapper plank]

it's a very big radiu stagger.

[tame lodge]

#zealot-class message

[tall torrent]

It’s not hard to visualize without a calculator

Is the number between base and weakspot damage a really big number?
If so, +finesse is good

[tame lodge]

When in doubt check bleed table

[dapper plank]

so far worse then stunstorm in that situationm

[shadow dagger]

good thing you can equip stunstorm on vet

you dont have to use shredders

[tall torrent]

Nah

[vernal trench]

stagger plus a shit ton of damage

[uncut pebble]

Bleed does good damage, just not to carapace.

No uncanny = you won't kill crushers with shredders.

[vernal trench]

u can still weaken them extremely and put out a ton of damagge

whereas kraks u throw 2 to kill like 2 bulwarks and wow good job now u still got the 20 crushers behind him

[dapper plank]

1 shredder = awful version of stunstorm.
2 shredder = equal to fire grenade
3 shredder + uncanny +10 sec setup = wipe the screen.

[tall torrent]

This has to be bait or smth

[vernal trench]

2 shredders already does way more damage than a fire grenade

[vernal trench]

probably

[tall torrent]

Nah

[grand lintel]

now compare it with +10% finesse damage and +30% can you still visualise that? And you'd also just need to know the weakspot damage at the top of your head. It's a good thing the meat grinder is in the game because it's much easier to just compare changes directly than try to gauge anything on your own

[tall torrent]

Fire nade does more

[vernal trench]

does it not

it still does a shit ton anyway

[dapper plank]

sorry, 2 shredder is equal to fire PLUS stagger, so definitely better.

[tall torrent]

You can inspect weapons’ damage in game

The 2 numbers u mentioned are additive like I showed so it wouldn’t be hard to understand

[tall torrent]

Nah

[vernal trench]

i think this guys just trolling lamo

[tall torrent]

Fire does more

If u can keep them inside fire long enough

[vernal trench]

yea but u can spam shredders like theres no tomorrow

[tall torrent]

Requires more setup

[uncut pebble]

Fire grenades do a lot of damage. The issue with them is their pathing and the fact that zealout has no grenade sustain so you can't get any back without pickups.

[dapper plank]

i respect the 3 shredder uncanny combo, it's just so niche and slow.

[tall torrent]

Shredder’s advantage is that it’s damage + stagger + tons of regen because u are veteran

[midnight totem]

Hey vet steam guide

[grand lintel]

yeah, but that still involves consulting the grid of damages against their respective armour types lol. Do you not see that that's overly complicated in a game

[midnight totem]

What are people actually arguing about?

[vernal trench]

theres no way for u to really understand until u play a high havoc with kraks and not shredders

thats when ull really understand

shredders provide a solid crowd control for so many situations

[iron silo]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-brooklyn-nine-nine-grenades-anger-weapon-gif-16979865

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s “overly complicated”

Overly complicated would be the way they word what damage bonuses are actually belonging to which bracket

[grand lintel]

in any other game if you were having to go through that much effort you'd be min-maxxing. But in this case it's just trying to understand the impact that finesse damage does, a whole keystone revolves around boosting that stat lol

[tall torrent]

Idk I didn’t come in here for like 2 days

[vernal trench]

Ur here everyday bro

[tall torrent]

Not rly yesterday

You guys are too boring compared to DoorKickers2 1.0

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[dapper plank]

how do you personally use shredders in h40

[terse idol]

All that really matters is testing in the psycanarium imo

[shadow dagger]

i think im missing the finer details of the conversation but like do you really need to know the specifics of exactly how and how well finesse works on damage

[dapper plank]

1 at a time or 3+uncanny

[shadow dagger]

you just need to know it does more damage

[dapper plank]

against bulwark groups mainly?

[terse idol]

And in this regard it still is minmaxing

[dapper plank]

slow damage

[shadow dagger]

yeah hitting new breakpoints is good but thats for the minmaxers to figure out for you

im not talking to you

[terse idol]

Just need to know if finesse is worth it for your weapon

[grand lintel]

it's all just so tedious is all. The mechanics are too complicated to just look at the numbers and do it in your head

[terse idol]

I mean you don't gotta do it in your head imo

[shadow dagger]

do you need to do it at all is the question

[terse idol]

Also there's alooot of information already out there

[tall torrent]

Not a lot

[shadow dagger]

follow a build guide from people who have already done all the work

[terse idol]

All it takes is, testing the bps with talents

[terse idol]

The one guide 😭

[tall torrent]

That part is easy

[terse idol]

Or erm 2

[tall torrent]

The hard part is figuring out what u actually need for which breakpoints

How to spend less to hit for more

[thorn lark]

Yeah. it's like having a second shout with o4b.

[terse idol]

Its thankful all the works tested for the general playerbase

Or at least most

[vernal trench]

Itd be nice if u can test breakpoints for havocs but thatll never happen

[terse idol]

Isn't havoc just

[tall torrent]

I finished talent section overhaul in steam guide 2 days ago

[terse idol]

Get the most damage the game?

[tall torrent]

Now I need to do
Melee weapons (all)
Blessings (revamp)
Curios (all)
Know your enemies (all)
Example builds (all)
Havoc (all)

Oh yea and finish the introduction parts

I’m like 6/13 on that

[vernal trench]

Wdym

[tall torrent]

It’s already ez

[vernal trench]

So another 3 years

[tall torrent]

U just figure out how much damage u actually do

[vernal trench]

Yea but i aint got the effort i wish i can just select it in psykanarium and shoot them

I dont wanna sit therr with a calculator entering numbers

[tall torrent]

Basic maths

[vernal trench]

u underestimate how lazy people are

[tall torrent]

But also 99% breakpoints don’t matter in havoc

[vernal trench]

Yea thats kinda what i learned tbh

Just kill them and think about it later

[grand lintel]

wouldnt crits just defeat the point in working out breakpoints in the first place

[tall torrent]

There’s only 1 breakpoint weapon in havoc and it’s plasma (1hs trapper and shotgunner)

[vernal trench]

Real question is if they will make more havoc levels

And the enemies at some point end up with like 2x health

Cux thatll be aids

[tall torrent]

You can figure out the exact amount of damage u do on weakspot, crit and crit-weakspot so u know under which conditions u can kill in how many hits

[vernal trench]

Only 1?

[tall torrent]

Yea

Nothing else is proper 1 tap

[vernal trench]

What happened to the other weapons

Damn

[grand lintel]

but unless you want to work out an average dps, any shot can just be a crit and throw it off?

[loud belfry]

all i should say is: im back

[vernal trench]

I can think of hellbore 4 exec stance but thats it

Thats the only other rhing ive used that can 1 tap most enemies

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/peachvitty-gif-24343442

[vernal trench]

[tall torrent]

2 shot or more

[tall torrent]

Throw what off

[vernal trench]

Bolter 4 shotting on pus hardened

[grand lintel]

How many shots for a kill

[tall torrent]

On what

Which weapon

Against which enemy

[grand lintel]

It depends

[shadow dagger]

dentge

[dapper plank]

is it possible to make dueling sword consistently oneshot crushers in h40?

[tall torrent]

Give like a specific example

[tall torrent]

No

[grand lintel]

But obviously will impact weapons that do less damage per shot more than ones that do more

[tall torrent]

Yea, they have variable dps with crit, but you can find a general dps range for them

You simply don’t build breakpoints on them anyway

So I don’t get what ur trying to argue

[wanton dawn]

I just saw 3 ppl dying one after the other by trying to rez ppl down on a open field covered by snipers in a daemonhost vicinity

[vernal trench]

Can u even 1 shot a crusher with ds4 on 40

Im pretty sure its not possibke

[dapper plank]

do you manually disable the ping every message you reply to?

[vernal trench]

LMFAO

[tall torrent]

No, am lazy

[grand lintel]

I don’t see the point, aside from the plasma gun it seems a lot of effort for every other gun since it would vary too much depending on crit chance/damage

[dapper plank]

how do you disable all reply-pings ?

[tall torrent]

Boltgun, revolver, boltpistol, helbore, vigilant autogun 7

[tall torrent]

I don’t know, if I knew I’d have done it already

[loud belfry]

there are ways i have heard about in passing in minecraft

[broken spade]

I think you theoretically could, although it probably wouldn't be something practical
I think they have 1.5x hp at h40

[vernal trench]

I love minecraft

[tall torrent]

5400 health carapace

[vernal trench]

If u being a whole build just to 1 shot crusher maybe its possible

inconsistently

[broken spade]

For vet it'd probably be something like red nodes, focus target max stacks, thrust on a crit weakspot

[vernal trench]

Idk tho ive never tested ut

Uncanny and thrust and tons of finesse or whatever idk

[broken spade]

could go even further and take infiltrate damage node, agile engagement, cara+elites on the sword

at this point your build would be dogshit but it would likely achieve the goal

[vernal trench]

Itll be such a stupid build just to reach 1 inconsistent breakpoint lmdao

Inagine if powersword had uncanny tho

Thatll go insane

[broken spade]

assemble the worst build imaginable specifically to kill 1 enemy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/487110864504094730/1311384845204848853/illisi_propaganda.gif

i've seen what stupid buffs can do

surely ds4 could do it

[vernal trench]

Lmfao

Itll be a crazy build for sure

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t even matter

Not as good as BM or sunder for it

[vernal trench]

Is it cuz its already got really good rending?

[tame lodge]

Maybe if you're a thrust Precog Duelist zealot

Surely you can hit for 5400 HP against carapace with that

[vernal trench]

On zealot proabbly

[fervent hemlock]

is stab dump for hellbore lasgun

[dapper plank]

won't be consistent with precog

[tall torrent]

It has high adm across the board when energized

[tall torrent]

Yes

[vernal trench]

Oh ok

[dapper plank]

stability or ammo imo, ammo if you run shocktrooper

[fervent hemlock]

why not charge rate?

[vernal trench]

Cuz that directly affects dos

Dps

[tall torrent]

Do u want to shoot faster or slower

[fervent hemlock]

how does surgical work with faster/slower charge rate?

[tame lodge]

Just dodge lol

[fervent hemlock]

is it on click or on shot launch

[tall torrent]

Surgical works when u aim down sights

[fervent hemlock]

yes but when does it stop

when the bullet shoots

or when you pull the trigger

[dapper plank]

dodge what

things are dead or staggered

[vernal trench]

When it reaches max stacks

Its per shot

[terse idol]

me as I butt in for a moment for my 2 cents

We just test without crit

Its not that hard

[fervent hemlock]

sigh

[dapper plank]

ill be curious to see your uptime on precog, how many hits got the finesse bonus. it's definitely a lot less for heavies then assumed

[terse idol]

That's the safest bet for bp

[vernal trench]

Sigh x2

[latent parcel]

When we duoing h40

[vernal trench]

I got a 39 rn

[latent parcel]

not a 40

nty

[vernal trench]

Noob

U got a 40

Do urs

[latent parcel]

let me check

[tall torrent]

When u get max stacks

Or when u shoot

It’s only crit chance for the imminent ranged attack

So you repeatedly gain stacks between shots fired

[fervent hemlock]

"Dischargest stacks upon firing" = when the bullet leaves the gun, or when you start charging the shot

[tall torrent]

When the shot leaves the gun

[fervent hemlock]

thank you

[tropic halo]

useless karking gun

[tall torrent]

If ur thinking slower charge rate means more surgical stacks

It’s not worth it

[tropic halo]

I dont really know all icons but some of them means the effective agaisnt type of enemy armor such carapace and flak

gameplay help also works

#gameplay-help

[burnt vortex]

You can hover over them in the combos section. Light one is a "vanguard" attack that's for killing multiple mobs but does little to no stagger, the heavy one is a "strikedown" which is used mostly for single target dps.

[tame lodge]

That's the profile

[burnt vortex]

Didn't notice they were different images. The one with like the image of a swordslash is the vanguard attack, the one that looks like a pixilated blast is strike down.

[tame lodge]

The sun one is Strike down

The sword one is Vanguard iirc

The 3 arrows are relentless

[burnt vortex]

I think it's supposed to be a rough approximation of the damage diff between light and heavy attacks but those attacks are usually situated in combos so there's nuance sometimes.....fatshark being fatshark with game info.

[tame lodge]

Alternatively it could just show the First light/heavy

[terse idol]

Common type of attack?

Doesn't it just show you the combo chain and their damage profile?

[tame lodge]

There's also the assassin profile

So vaguely bunching them up

Assassin and Strike downs have good damage against single targets

Vanguard and Relentless are good against multiple targets

Blah blah blah exceptions, adms

Well assassins are more like low damage high speed

[tall torrent]

Attack’s general performance

Vanguard is sweeping cleave damage
Strikedown is high single target
Assassin is bad
Relentless is sweeping stagger

[tame lodge]

I never really noticed the difference on stagger

Maybe I'm too cooked

[shadow dagger]

tide games have had a history of accurately displaying attack profiles

[burnt vortex]

@tall torrent "Assassin is bad" is it really?

[tame lodge]

Usually they are low damage high speed

The second target takes like no damage

However

I find the DS lights pretty good for assassin profile

[burnt vortex]

Is there no extra crit chance? You'd think with a cool name like that

[tame lodge]

That I wouldn't know

Also the Mk2 tac axe has less crit chance on the L3 iirc

Lemme check pins

Yup L3 less crit chance

For some reason

[light ridge]

Dagger, Force Sword, DS all have assassin and are considered some of the, if not the, best weapons in the game

[tame lodge]

Yeah not for their lights

Lmao

[burnt vortex]

Push attack for days with knife

[calm shard]

Obscurus and Deimos force swords have good light attacks

[tame lodge]

If you compare them knife has the worst lights

While the other assassins will easily meet breakpoints for Groaner reasons

And walkers

[dapper plank]

charge rate on plasma gun... that makes it shoot slower/faster on normal left clicks right?

not just the right click?

[calm shard]

yeah

[dapper plank]

great, i just spam it mostly

thinking ill invest in the one with 60 thermal

[tall torrent]

Low damage
Supposedly high finesse but overall low dps
Low cleave
Low stagger

Usually pretty bad attack angles too

Uppercut diagonal, no thx

[uncut pebble]

Deimos and obscurus lights can oneshot groaners and poxwalkers, sure, but they don't cleave for shit. Same thing goes for knife and ds lights, plus those two weapons can't oneshot chaff with lights.

So assassin attacks are not very good.

[tall torrent]

lol no

Second target is like 84 damage on weakspot

[tame lodge]

Yeah but the first one is like 275

Easy Groaner bp with some melee buffs

(At the end of the day you don't really pick DS for hordes anyways)

[faint beacon]

Usually why you run them with Warp Splitting and SG cause of it boosting cleave and further boosting finesse

[uncut pebble]

Counterargument, why would I try and milk cleave out of a low cleave moveset when I could just use a weapon with high cleave and get more damage out of it instead?

[faint beacon]

Cause that’s boring as fuck 🚬

[uncut pebble]

Nothing boring about big sword.

[faint beacon]

Also running Slaughterer Uncanny on Diemos letting you drop crushers in incredibly quick speeds

[uncut pebble]

You know what else lets you drop crushers at incredibly quick speeds?

Big sword overhead looping.

[faint beacon]

Doesn’t have Uncanny though

Which straight up lets you bypass carapace

That and FS give you more mobility to work with

[uncut pebble]

Uncanny is boring as fuck. 🚬

[viscid dome]

does weapon rarity levelhave an effect of the mastery gained when you sacrifice a weapon?

[uncut pebble]

Yes, and it also depends on what type of weapon you are sacrificing. Sacrificing a combat axe to get devils claw mastery is a bad idea.

[terse idol]

Rarity and it being the same weapon should increase the amount of mastery you gain

[uncut pebble]

Ideally you want to sacrifice green items to the same weapon class.

You can buy greens and blues from brunt fairly cheaply, and, failing that, buy whites and consecrate them to greens to sacrifice.

Takes ~25 greens from no mastery to get max.

[viscid dome]

lol its a 300exp dif from green to orange not worth it

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/jJCvpCM

[terse idol]

If you have extra from missions may as well

[uncut pebble]

Did I ever say that force swords didn't do good damage?

[calm shard]

uh

n-no?

[uncut pebble]

Also 5 stacks of uncanny and 3 stacks of slaughterer.

:P

[calm shard]

shovel gets uncanny it doesn't magically do not shit armor damage because of it

actually it might be the only weapon with uncanny that has bad armor damage

hm

[faint beacon]

Deals okay damage cause it’s held back from Unyielding being terrible

[uncut pebble]

Comparing apples to oranges there.

Shovel isn't a finesse weapon, it's a defensive tool.

Force swords are finesse weapons.

[faint beacon]

Didnt top score damage you’re shit lil bro 🚬

[calm shard]

and defensive tools

[faint beacon]

We say watching them use shovel

[uncut pebble]

They're only defensive if you're bad. 🚬

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-mbt-syria-shut-up-firing-gif-2622405693088866287

[faint beacon]

Not top scoring shut up you have 0 opinion 🚬

[grand lintel]

Shovel does a bit of everything

Not too bad not excellent

[faint beacon]

It’s a good tool in general just

It struggles against monstros

[winter sluice]

Veterans born after the fall of cadia only know
🔥 PUT THE KARKIN BOOT IN 🔥
⏩ CLOSE, KILL AND DO IT AGAIN ⏩
🥑 AMMO? I NEED THAT! 🥝

[grand lintel]

Jack of all trades, it’s special isn’t terrible for single target damage but it’s def not what you’d use it for primarily

[hollow ibex]

Shovel is just peak mid

[faint beacon]

That’s honestly the best way to explain it

There’s some many other things that overshadow it that just make it feel mediocre however if it’s a playstyle you find yourself enjoying its very fucking fun playing

[tame lodge]

WEAPONS UUUUP!!!!

[sullen jackal]

with attack speed, knife particularly, even a single extra effective cleave can result in large benefits for horde clear

...this usually means that weapons are better on psyker, though, because psyker has the stamina properties to spam psuh attacks, and push attacks usually have strong properties for that.

[grand lintel]

I wish you didn’t slow down for a fraction of a second with the special attack, when you do the second instance of damage as you yank it out

When I used the shovel to get its mastery up that caught me out a couple times fighting ragers and crushers

[faint beacon]

I think he foldable variants need the same mechanic the Chain weapons have where you can dodge to cancel the pulling out of the stab

Cause that move is a massive commitment that can and will get you killed if you don’t time it correctly

[grand lintel]

Yeah definitely a balancing act when you have more than one after you

Satisfying to use overall, but unfortunately better tools out there for the individual roles

[faint beacon]

Ragers and mutants like instantly fucking fold to a well placed folded landed

But god help you if it’s a rager pack on you

[grand lintel]

Yeah that’s where it got me once, I’d staggered a pack to pick some off but rather than leaving 1 unstaggered an extra snook through and got me while I was stuck in the animation

[faint beacon]

I want to like the foldable variants more but the Mk1 is just leagues better

[pseudo fiber]

MK1 greatest of all time

[loud belfry]

(dead chat image)

[loud belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1334746741072855091/mrMoNjg.gif

[wild vortex]

experienced Vets, is this build fine or am I trolling my team: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9e30e280-9c71-4537-841b-6527242979ec

(I want to do the MF penance in an enjoyable fashion)

[tame lodge]

That's pretty much a standard Lasgun build

[wild vortex]

okie dokie cool

I have to get used to playing zoomed in on enemies, mostly I play WS Vet so first game with this build I died twice lmao

[hollow ibex]

rashad reaaaaally wants attack speed

[wild vortex]

yeah true actually, but I don't like most melee weapons on Vet

except shovels I guess

also, is Exhilarating Takedown bad?

[hollow ibex]

yeah and you're gonna need something to deal with carapace

[hollow ibex]

it's ok

[wild vortex]

if I take Kraks then I have to give up +5% crit

[hollow ibex]

prob the worst of the three early toughness regen nodes, but still ok

[hollow ibex]

you could drop surv

not like surv is particularly important on a crit recon las build with shocktrooper

[wild vortex]

[hollow ibex]

what you have rn is prob overkill in terms of ammo efficiency

then again ig you're spraying into hordes for MF penance

[wild vortex]

yes actually

[hollow ibex]

yeah should be fine then

[wild vortex]

think I got +150 on the counter in that mission, despite sucking ass

[dapper plank]

DS oneshots loads with uncanny

[tall torrent]

Enjoyable fashion is spawn camping mercantile kitchen for 25 minutes

[tall torrent]

What

[wild vortex]

No

[tall torrent]

It’s fast and enjoyable

[wild vortex]

I want to actually play the game

And obtain it

[terse idol]

what'cha meann

[normal sparrow]

Not enjoyable, but least griefing ans fastest

[winter sluice]

I take ultimate ammo efficiency on recon lasgun c shock trooper etc to shoot into trash mobs and play like left 4 dead for the meme

[solar monolith]

Is the kitchen actually better?
I've been using the first hole for kill penances

[frank ledge]

Helbore mk1 consumes no ammo

[hollow ibex]

what the fuck is wrong with the irons in this game

how is this a miss

[burnt vortex]

Emperor abandoned you

[hollow ibex]

yeah i think the emperor is the servers

feels fine in the psyk

[solar monolith]

fatshark needs to appease their servers' machine spirits more often istg

[tame lodge]

Bro got hit by FS hit reg

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[hollow ibex]

see i remember mk vii feeling super inconsistent

but i never realized it was this blatant lol

[grand perch]

I think that's an issue with that specific skin?

[loud belfry]

try the crosshair remap mod. might be a mismatch between the crosshair and the model of the gun,

[hollow ibex]

too much effort for a class of weapons i hate anyway

and it felt fine in psyk so not sure

[uncut pebble]

Hitreg of vigilants in live lobbies is dookie.

[gleaming adder]

What way can you build infiltrate?

[hollow ibex]

a lot of ways, but i tend to either go frag or krak, and then weapon specialist

[winter sluice]

I go meme infiltrate and use smokes and the ultimate to go for saves and fuck on gunners

[wild vortex]

damn, recon las is incredible fun

am I trolling myself I go Exhilarating Takedown instead of Confirmed Kill

I feel ET is more consistent toughness replenishment and TDR than the middle branch?

we lost but I think I was doing okay-ish

[hollow ibex]

ET's good if you're just spraying the entire time

but if you're in melee, it's going to start feeling bad

not bad at all, for no ammo taken on a vet

still ended up with more ranged damage than the zealot that took 250% ammo taken

and more overall damage than the vet with 575% ammo taken

[wild vortex]

that went a bit better, fellow Vet was also a recon las

this thing racks up like 70-100 MF kills per game, damn

[latent parcel]

[wild vortex]

which weapon was this? Helbore?

[hollow ibex]

double barrel

and kraks

[wild vortex]

ohhh

WS Vet is my favorite way to play Vet

[hollow ibex]

yeah DB synergizes extremely well with WS as well

[wild vortex]

it's like playing a nimbler Ogryn

[hollow ibex]

yeah quite fun, i would've done more damage with rashad or something

but tacaxe is very fun with WS

[wild vortex]

I love taxe on Zealot but not on Vet

on Vet it just feels like sadder Rashad

[fiery raft]

what's the recon lasgun build?

generally

im gonna try to up it's mastery

[austere mica]

Why play the game for mastery when you can just

Drop 300-400k dockets

[wild vortex]

not even that much unless you're starting from actual 0

[austere mica]

Exactly

[vagrant whale]

stormtrooper

[austere mica]

Money is the solution to a great deal of problems

[fiery raft]

well i'm trying to fully master it

trying to master a couple weps

so far i've done bolter, powersword, and infantry autogun

[wild vortex]

what I'm using: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9e315371-3ae0-4df8-b238-0176cf57a48a

left path is probably a bad idea, likely better to go Confirmed Kill

but uhhh

I suck and I need the crutch of Exhilarating Takedown

[fiery raft]

i like to go down the right

for out for blood

[gilded wraith]

Why is Dum Dum recommended over Deathspitter for buffing Infernus?

[wild vortex]

Deathspitter requires kill while Dumdum just needs you to hit, is my guess

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha, it's just so hard to skip a Strength buff.

[sick isle]

probably also bc of playstyle if youre going for infernus, youre likely to be spamming a bunch of shots into one target to stack up the burn, and dumdum trigger condition suits that more than deathspitter

[wild vortex]

can just go Dumdum/Deathspitter but I like the burns

[normal sparrow]

Slaughterer vs headtaker - pewpew version

[fiery raft]

isnt this dumpstat?

[faint beacon]

Mobility so no sadly

[fiery raft]

damn

[white musk]

squeak (hello frens, rat is new to vet)

squeak (rat assumes the dump stat for most ranged weapons is mobility?)

[latent parcel]

RAT back to psyker you go.

[white musk]

;-;

squeak (is rat not welcome?) D:

[latent parcel]

kidding. hope rat is doin well

[white musk]

T^T

[latent parcel]

iron mike misses playing with rat.

[white musk]

squeak (rat is well thanks)

squeaK (rat misses mike too)

[latent parcel]

mobility is usually the dump stat depends on the gun though

[normal bay]

Generally, yes. But you have some more unique weapons like Plasma, Hellbore and possibly bolter

[white musk]

squeak (which weapons are an exception to that rule?)

squeak (also what does mobility affect)

[white musk]

squeak (what will be the dump stat for those?)

[normal bay]

It has a minor effect for movement. As long as you hit 50%, you have full dodges, hence its a dump stat typically

[pseudo fiber]

Stability on helbore
Bolter is mobility (so standard)
Bolt pistol is collateral
Plasma gun is 69% thermal resistance and 71% charge rate

[white musk]

squeak (why so specific on plasma gun?)

[latent parcel]

there is no dump on plasma

69 71 is perfect stats

[pseudo fiber]

At 68.some decimal plasma gun gets 8 shots before over heating (which is the maximum) so that gets rounded to be safe you put the rest into charge rate

Thats if you want it literally perfect you can run 70/70 without any issues

[normal bay]

Me with my 68/72 Plasma gun (finding a perfect stat weapon has been expensive)

[white musk]

squeak (how interesting, thank you for your help fren) 😄

[latent parcel]

here rat you can borrow mine i rarely use it anyway

[white musk]

xd

[pseudo fiber]

Have fun!

[latent parcel]

i wanna see rat run around with a psword and plasma!

see him scurry around

[white musk]

squeak (perhaps next stream tmmr or so)

squeak (will have to see, rat is just setting up all the masteries and weapons for vet)

squeak (will be weird to learn vet, just like rat did with zealot)

[pseudo fiber]

It'll be fun to watch though.

[white musk]

squeak (what about the shredder autopistol?)

squeak (collateral seems like a close dump stat option to mobility)

squeak (rat has never used it before so doesnt know how good it is with hoardclearing)

[pseudo fiber]

It's pretty awful

The autopistol is definately the worst weapon in the game

[white musk]

D:

squeak (hecc)

[thorn lark]

RAT

you can check the pinned guide and ask @tall torrent when he's around here

[white musk]

.0.

squeak (will do thanks keet)

[normal sparrow]

Suppression tool
But why suppress when you can kill

[fiery raft]

bolt pistol

i want to use

[pseudo fiber]

You can everyone can

[high mulch]

Revolver and dueling sword for the win

[silver trellis]

[grand lintel]

how far is longshots max damage?

[iron silo]

30m

[grand lintel]

i c, so not very useful? I imagine most engagement where you're picking off ranged it would be at around 15m

[fiery raft]

what would i use for wep specialist double barrel and chainaxe?

ive never used either much so idk how to set them up perkwise

[tame lodge]

Not even a good suppression tool

[white musk]

squeak (what is the dump for shovel?)

[north nimbus]

respect on using that weapon 😄

[fiery raft]

mobi

[white musk]

;-;

[fiery raft]

what's that mod that tells you what strength does and such?

[white musk]

squeak (rat cant scurry fast with it then)

[iron marten]

Is this the Rat I see in OCE

[white musk]

o.0

squeak (yus)

[vernal trench]

Rat

[latent parcel]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/210

[vernal trench]

Hi noob

[iron silo]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-spinning-horizontally-gif-25424411

[latent parcel]

[normal sparrow]

I dont say its a good one

[white musk]

squeak (what is your ign? rat might remember you fren)

[iron marten]

AnimeFanGooner/ShiranuiFlareSimp lol

[white musk]

squeak (ah yus rat remembers the first one)

squeak (quite hard to forget haha)

[iron marten]

Hahaha

[white musk]

squeak (hello fren) 😄

[fiery raft]

ty!

[iron marten]

Hello, thanks for the carry in the games you end up with me

[white musk]

squeak (haha you are welcome, but everyone does their parts)

squeak (tis always a team effort) ;D

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-hamster-meme-elmascapito-amasar-hamster-hand-gif-24915812

[white musk]

squeak (what are the 2 dump stats for power sword?)

squeak (rat says two because likely the main one is mobility) T^T

[tame lodge]

Cleave Targets

It only dictates your cleave value
Except powered mode has max cleave (11.7) regardless of the CT stat

[white musk]

❤️

squeak (thank you kindly fren)

[fiery raft]

what would you run with chainaxe?

blessings and perks wise

[tame lodge]

Headtaker Slaughterer

Mk12 is also able to use Thrust for rev heavy reasons

Carapace then Maniac/Flak

Defences as dump stat

[fiery raft]

is there a dichotomy between the mks?

or is it just use one and never the other

[tame lodge]

They kinda have inverted move set

Mk4 lights for single targets and heavies for hordes

Mk12 lights for hordes and heavies for single target

[fiery raft]

alright, thanks!

what about the doublebarrel?

[pseudo fiber]

Or defense

Since you want to go fast

[white musk]

squeak (thank you) 😄

[tame lodge]

Maniac + Flak/Infested

Man stopper + Flechette/Scattershot for Weapon Specialist shoot through hordes infinite cleave play style

Or Deathspitter Both Barrels for other keystones

[grand lintel]

65 hours and i've yet to work it out, what does the green thing below the missions mean?

some have 1,2 or 3 chevrons and others have a skull where some don't have any

[tame lodge]

Highest difficulty you completed that mission

[ashen kiln]

I have Lacerate IV on my combat knife, but can’t decide if I should take Mercy Killer or Flesh Tearer. Any suggestions. And before you ask, no, I do NOT dodge often, I just forget to and can’t seem to make myself remember.

[tame lodge]

I'd recommend not using bleed blessings

Anyways Uncanny Flesh Tearer

You see
Knife is a weakspot weapon
Lacerate doesn't like weakspots

So you're just nerfing yourself by having lacerate

And if you pick Serrated Blade talent on the right, you can go Uncanny Mercy Killer

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/hermeserenato-durodematar34-gun-big-gun-gif-1240431693317549788

[grand lintel]

aah, explains why i stopped seeing the lower ones. Don't think i would have ever noticed that

96 missions and only 12 of them without any downs, this one is gonna take the longest i think to achieve lmao

[tropic halo]

How many you hours you got to be that progress still?

I honestly did not bothered with dream team for like few months when I was around 60 out 100 or something while doing speedruns or playing low diffs

[grand lintel]

i have 66 hours in the game, really the main issue is other people being downed

i only checked the achievements because i got the penance/achievement for 15 missions in a row without being downed

[tropic halo]

I like to show my dedication and time investiment so I am proud of my achivements that noone else cares

[pseudo fiber]

It took me 550 hours to get it lmfaooo

[light ridge]

1050 hours and still don't have it

[minor stump]

I am having stamina issues with knife compared to on zealot. Not sure what the difference is...?

Probably some base stat(s)?

[unreal nova]

More like the long delay if you don't chase nodes to lower it.

[minor stump]

You think it'd be better to grab a node or two, or spec into curios regen? Or are the nodes practically mandatory?

[unreal nova]

I just use +3stam.

[minor stump]

I mean duck and dive is one node away so that's doable without any real sacrifice

[normal bay]

You're assuming the other players on lower diffs won't go down...

[unreal nova]

Bots are better on sedation.

[uncut pebble]

+3 stam and some stamina regeneration perks on your curios is what you want. Vet is too strained for talent points to afford the nodes, most of the time.

I run 2 perks, if that matters.

[calm shard]

Veteran has the slowest base stamina regen delay in the game

[minor stump]

Oh it's the regen delay, that makes sense... Duck and dive and 1/4 second delay reduction are opposed desperado 😢

Guess I'll try doing both. The melee specialist, +20 stamina might be more economical, though

[minor stump]

2 stamina regen perks?

[uncut pebble]

Yes.

[hearty panther]

Equal to Ogryn

If you can reach the delay nodes, those are much more impactful than stam regen. Sprint Efficiency is also very good.

[unreal nova]

You can just run 3.

[minor stump]

Yeah, Seems like with 1 delay node, the stamina regen just kicks on after a dodge, just shy of breaking even with the move tech shenanigans.
But then again I'm not that great with move tech, so one node is probably not enough, really.
Idk if that's even a good benchmark for regen, but it's all I have in my head atm haha

[hearty panther]

No it's a good benchmark. You want it to kick in inbetween regular actions if possible.

E.g. knife loves to push attack spam, but you need both delay nodes to gain stamina inbetween pushes.

You can therefore grab two nodes, or you can mix up your combo as push attack + heavy so that the stam regen can have time to kick in

[faint beacon]

Could argue Taxe also encourages this but it’s less to a degree on Mk6’s. You usually use PA in the middle of a combo to continue horde clear or to reset a combo but Veteran really doesn’t feel the extreme downside of the stamina if you run a delay node with it also

[hearty panther]

ye taxe also loves push attacks but it has an ace up its sleeve

that special stuns everything and it costs no stamina

[hollow ibex]

i've just been using the special ngl

what am i missing out on with the push attack?

[faint beacon]

So fucking peak, decided to pick it up again and instead of using Mk4 did Mk7 and just went

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-danny-devito-oh-my-god-gif-7680438033688249755

[hearty panther]

yea MK7 took a while to click for me

i still really love the MK4

[faint beacon]

I just enjoyed the brain dead clicking of 4 and then when I realized how fluid the 7s combos were

[hearty panther]

push attack is identical to a heavy attack in all respects

[faint beacon]

Absolute cinema

[faint beacon]

Resets the combo

[hollow ibex]

does it have better stagger than the special?

[faint beacon]

So if you fuck up you can do a PA into your heavy for Horde Clear

[hearty panther]

except you can chain them out faster, with crowd control, and on the mk4 and mk7 specifically they are more horizontal

[hollow ibex]

i just lmb spam with mk4 anyway

[faint beacon]

Example H into H causing a strike down instead

So I just immediately push attack to get some control

And to reset the combo

[quartz nymph]

I took taxe into training last night and I don't think i got it

Am I stupid?

[hearty panther]

yes

it is a weapon requiring immense iq

all the marks have their own flow to them

[light ridge]

Left click, left click, left click?

[hollow ibex]

that's just mk4, and even mk4 has its own combos

(beyond lmb spam)

[quartz nymph]

Makes sense. Is it a death by a thousand cuts type of weapon?

[hearty panther]

kinda

[quartz nymph]

I feel I wasn't getting a ton of damage out of it. Probably being stupid or somethin'

[hollow ibex]

taxe really likes attack speed

you want bottom right melee talents + WS and ofc AE if you can take it

if you run it without those talents, it's mainly going to be a survivability stick with poor dps

i say poor but it's usable, still 900-1.1k dps against crushers

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[ashen kiln]

Looking for an “invincible” melee combat knife build. Anyone have anything?

[hollow ibex]

you want to be invincible? just take voice of command with golden toughness node

ez

[orchid hemlock]

Scream into the Void

[ashen kiln]

Im not a great player

How bout a really good melee knife build?

[orchid hemlock]

I have this: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d67f64e-5960-41d8-bb1f-6e991d65ea76/main-character-syndrome-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

But I feel like builds are hard to maximize until you learn the fundementals

[ashen kiln]

Thanks. I’ll check it out

I have most the fundamentals except dodging, I can never remember to in the heat of the moment

[hearty panther]

you can take the weapon in a lot of different directions (imo) but as far as damage goes, it's absolutely a finesse weapon in every respect

reciprocity, desperado, and precision strikes go a very long way

[orchid hemlock]

This build is also unorthodox, it sorta requires you to play in a specific way and exploit WS

[hearty panther]

and i dont remember all the math off hand but brutal momentum on the mark 2 and 7 can work quite well

[light ridge]

I want to run TAxe on my Scrier's Psyker with Agile and something else

[radiant chasm]

Agile just really isn’t needed

It slapped on weapons that already have amazing dodge stats