every time i think i can go out of my way and grab agile engagement i remember how plentiful the default vet build is with spare points
#veteran-class
vernal trench
Very
tall torrent
It was ok
dapper plank
is there a bug when using plasma gun? i have DC'ed twice now in 10 min
tall torrent
Just server playing tricks on u
tall torrent
3 hours of yapping just to be wrong is crazy work
visual remnant
vernal trench
3 hours of yapping just to be wrong is crazy work
Lmfao what a noob
austere mica
3 FUCKING HOURS???????
vernal trench
Took half a look and already know this tierlist is bs
tall torrent
It’s a very Reddit-tier take
vernal trench
It’s a very Reddit-tier take
I dont even use reddit and i dont even wanna know how shit the players are on there it must be real bad
shadow dagger
my favorite tierlist
vernal trench
my favorite tierlist
Real
austere mica
Like BoP only being good in havoc
vernal trench
Yea
steep flower
Tierlists are incapable of accounting for nuance and niche usages
Unless you talk about them and acknowledge them
vernal trench
Havoc is very different to auric
steep flower
which Tan did not fully
austere mica
Unless you talk about them and acknowledge them
Who the fuck is sitting through a 3 hour tanner video
vernal trench
Unless you talk about them and acknowledge them
U can literally play everything and make it work a tierlist is pretty stupid
steep flower
I did
austere mica
You poor soul
austere mica
I hope you recover soon
austere mica
To the mind of a fucking insane person, sure
steep flower
To the mind of a fucking insane person, sure
*Asperger syndrome, not insane
vernal trench
Not at all; it gives insight
Na i dont think tanners insight is worth much
barren nimbus
Honestly scavenger isn’t even needed if you play with two psykurs
austere mica
I don't think aspergers is all to blame for his extremely poor behavior everywhere he goes
austere mica
Honestly scavenger isn’t even needed if you play with two psykurs
Honestly scavenger isn’t even needed if you play with two psykurs (outside of havoc)
steep flower
Na i dont think tanners insight is worth much
it is in a perspective of how he may influence other ppl into potential belief/prejudice; Same for Mr.E and other popular Darktide content creators
vernal trench
it is in a perspective of how he may influence other ppl into potential belief/p...
I love mr e
The best book zealot
barren nimbus
Honestly scavenger isn’t even needed ~~if you play with two psykurs~~ (outside o...
I assumed this is havoc only, because that veteran weapon swapping perk is also dog shit outside of plasma gun dueling sword
austere mica
I assumed this is havoc only, because that veteran weapon swapping perk is also ...
Alright this is an insane person take
Weapon spec is amazing
Confirm crits for low mag weapons
vernal trench
Weapon specialist is good eve try ehere
barren nimbus
It’s not good at all for most of veterans kit
vernal trench
Everywgere
austere mica
And dodge distance + damage in melee
steep flower
Remember it is an old take and he corrected it way later
tall torrent
Tierlists are incapable of accounting for nuance and niche usages
Nah
Mine can
steep flower
just saying
vernal trench
It’s not good at all for most of veterans kit
If u shoot a lot its not good
If u stand there and actually dump mags
austere mica
Nah
Mine can
You make better graphics than 99% of this community
vernal trench
Remember it is an old take and he corrected it way later
About what
tall torrent
U just have to sort them in an informative manner instead of S/A/B/C/D
steep flower
You make better graphics than 99% of this community
he knows how 2 code
tall torrent
It’s really not hard
steep flower
About what
about many things in the tierlist like WS
vernal trench
Idk what ur talking sbout
austere mica
It’s really not hard
If its not that hard than why does everyone seem incapable
Oh right
vernal trench
The video i sent from him was uploaded like 30 mins ago
austere mica
Lazy asses and letters look better
barren nimbus
Bubble in C when most shitters absolutely require bubble in havoc 40
vernal trench
lmfao
steep flower
Idk what ur talking sbout
WAIT A SEC; THIS IS A NEW ONE; NOT THE OLD ONE FROM 3 MONTHS AGO
I am too tired it seems...
austere mica
We said that like 3 times please sleep it must be an unholy hour of the night
shadow dagger
i think he said in the old one that hed do another one of em for literally every node on every talent tree
which like wdf
vernal trench
WAIT A SEC; THIS IS A NEW ONE; NOT THE OLD ONE FROM 3 MONTHS AGO
Yea its the new one
tall torrent
If its not that hard than why does everyone seem incapable
The average human being on the internet is incapable of perceiving nuance as a concept
austere mica
i think he said in the old one that hed do another one of em for literally every...
18 hour video
austere mica
The average human being on the internet is incapable of perceiving nuance as a c...
(this was a rhetorical question)
vernal trench
Papa needs sleep
steep flower
We said that like 3 times please sleep it must be an unholy hour of the night
it is 5.23 am, been gaming for 10h today
vernal trench
how many 40s did u win today papa
steep flower
Don't judge me 
steep flower
how many 40s did u win today papa
Many losses
vernal trench
Average day of playing havoc 40s with random people
i had like 5 losses today
One i was throwing real hard cuz i was dogshit
And then 2 where i wasnt throwing but they all wiped within 2 minutes on clandestine
it was a lost cause
steep flower
Average day of playing havoc 40s with random people
Not really; just very 'unlucky' in that regard; there was improvement with many players i played today as I observed the gameplay (and some did notice that too)
steep flower
Honestly; none i think
steep flower
almost won 2, wiped at the end event; ppl either panic or scatter
vernal trench
Ill never forget that psyker that just threw because he went down and blamed the team
vernal trench
almost won 2, wiped at the end event; ppl either panic or scatter
Lmao my first game we made it all the way to the very last battery on clandestine
steep flower
but they also learned & listened well; thats improvement and it showed
vernal trench
But me and the ogryn was throwing so hard we kept dying and we wiped
vernal trench
but they also learned & listened well; thats improvement and it showed
ur too much of a nice guy
I wouldve just left and taken a break and be very unhappy
Im trying to get my damage up lately
steep flower
ur too much of a nice guy
I'm understanding & patient, not nice 
even tho i may not sound like so
vernal trench
Powersword gives a ton of damage output
vernal trench
I'm understanding & patient, not nice <:ogryn_pathetic:1083359691742122014> even...
Na ur pretty nice by my standards
@latent parcel wouldve cussed me out and legt
Left
Na im joking he is just very aggressive towards me and me specifically
steep flower
Na im joking he is just very aggressive towards me and me specifically
He can just smell the bamboozling coward that you are; very pungent
gleaming adder
Not really; just very 'unlucky' in that regard; there was improvement with many ...
I'm a returning player, I tried havoc once. Is the general strategy is to be constantly moving? I had a 3 zealot team that kept going forward without stopping once, no exceptions
vernal trench
He can just smell the bamboozling coward that you are; very pungent <:KEKW_ogryn...
Na i dont even go invis no more most of the time
austere mica
I'm a returning player, I tried havoc once. Is the general strategy is to be con...
No
vernal trench
I been getting better at just fighting whatever the fuck
austere mica
There are many occasions when standing still or even pulling back are the best course of action
steep flower
I'm a returning player, I tried havoc once. Is the general strategy is to be con...
No; those are 'Single players'; they don't account for teamwork
they may be insanely good at the game but teamwise they are horrid
vernal trench
Speedrunners
austere mica
IE: big swarms, duo boss spawns (captain+normal spawn), otherwise fucked shit
Moving forward will just kill you faster
steep flower
There are many occasions when standing still or even pulling back are the best c...
Strategy
vernal trench
Dying is the best option
austere mica
All big spawns are progress based, so raging through a level will bring the entire thing down on you
gleaming adder
Yeah that's what happened to me, I was playing sharpshooter vet with those three zealots running ahead, had one time where they spawned right on top of me
vernal trench
Lmao yea
Speedrunners tend to do that
Shit ones at that
Who speedruns through low havocs
Do it on a 40 atleast u get a bit of a challeneg
gleaming adder
I was on havoc, that was my first run too
steep flower
I had one guy like that today; apart from book he was running forward alot, lacking communication
gleaming adder
A lot of Chinese/Cantonese players do that in asian darktide servers
steep flower
He left after we lost; I hope he will do better teamwise next time cause solowise he was using all tricks he could (apart from rezzing the psiker instead of the zealots first)
vernal trench
Hate when people do that
calm shard
fucking shroudfield in the same tier as shedders and VoC oh my goooood
gleaming adder
They usually scream something to me in Mandarin before dipping
vernal trench
He left after we lost; I hope he will do better teamwise next time cause solowis...
Was he good atleast
steep flower
ye
calm shard
I don't actually use venting shriek on psykr ever but I also somehow doubt it's comparable
vernal trench
fucking shroudfield in the same tier as shedders and VoC oh my *goooood*
Shroudfield really is broken tho
vernal trench
ye
Then howd u lose
I mean if some dude runs ahead and he doesnt die and he actually clears stuff i dont give a shit
But 9.9/10 they just run ahead just to die
And it pisses me off
steep flower
he was good; but no matter how insane you are; this is a team based game; if you wanna do solo just install a mod or find similar ppl no offence
austere mica
or go play aurics
vernal trench
he was good; but no matter how insane you are; this is a team based game; if you...
Was he in this discord?
If hes really good tho he wouldve just soloed the game
steep flower
Then howd u lose
he rezzed the psiker which could not survive, then did not went for rezzes and was circling at the end event (refinery delta); he got headbutted by the plague ogryn off the edge ( the was alsoa captain & a nurgle beast)
vernal trench
he rezzed the psiker which could not survive, then did not went for rezzes and w...
LMFAO
Thats actually sad
Thrown off the map
unreal nova
<@201514447121022976> wouldve cussed me out and legt
Wait, he cusses? I thought he just mocks.
steep flower
that was on him; plague ogryns charge sound is very audible; he should have been more careful
vernal trench
Wait, he cusses? I thought he just mocks.
U should see the words he uses in our dms
Its ungodly
vernal trench
that was on him; plague ogryns charge sound is very audible; he should have been...
Yea
its funny tho lmfao
steep flower
payed the price of his own hubris
vernal trench
Was that his only death?
steep flower
yes
vernal trench
I mean everyone makes mistakes
steep flower
it is what it is; as i said; i hope he will do better teamwise in the future
vernal trench
Yea that too
barren nimbus
Not hosting havocs is asking for idiots to ruin your day
vernal trench
If u charge ahead solo u better make sure u can win the game by urself
unreal nova
U should see the words he uses in our dms
He doesn't even reply to me there lmao.
vernal trench
Not hosting havocs is asking for idiots to ruin your day
yea i learned that the hard way today
vernal trench
He doesn't even reply to me there lmao.
yea thats stompt to u lmao
funny goofy guy
He could be watching this chat rn and we will never know
steep flower
Not hosting havocs is asking for idiots to ruin your day
its not that; i welcome all who have their gear ready (as in; maxed out char & weapons)
barren nimbus
Hosting and social inspect mod does wonders
vernal trench
its not that; i welcome all who have their gear ready (as in; maxed out char & w...
I do not welcome people who die and throw the game
on purpose
vernal trench
Hosting and social inspect mod does wonders
Only ones i wont accept are zealots with no until death
vernal trench
The guy i played with was trolling and purposefully doing nothing after dying once
Real shithead
steep flower
ouch
barren nimbus
Only ones i wont accept are zealots with no until death
They might be goated though. I leave it on just in case
vernal trench
i remember his name it was epher something
vernal trench
They might be goated though. I leave it on just in case
Na idc how good u are u always bring it
steep flower
They might be goated though. I leave it on just in case
most of the time they are not
barren nimbus
With a really good team it’s pretty mid tier when you can freely take the boss killer perk instead
But on an average day its good
vernal trench
Im just sayin ive never seen a single zealot with no until death that was even half decent
unreal nova
It will save a pickup/rescue if you get overheaded doing it. Don't ask.
steep flower
most picked up excuse for not taking until death is 'Not enough points' or 'There are better things that it to pick'
vernal trench
Theres nothing better to take than an extra life
steep flower
and when they die... i guess i don't need to prove my point do i? They did it for me by planting themselves flat on the ground
barren nimbus
I was playing yesterday with my friend and we both got overheaded and I called him dog shit even though the only reason I didn’t die was because of zealot
steep flower
vernal trench
I was playing yesterday with my friend and we both got overheaded and I called h...
Until death protects
barren nimbus
A crusher horde literally spawned behind us and overheaded us both
barren nimbus
Zealot is a pretty powerful class
vernal trench
Its pretty impressive not dying in a 40 the whole game through
vernal trench
Ogryn is a different beast
unreal nova
Its pretty impressive not dying in a 40 the whole game through
Isn't that how True Survivor be like?
steep flower
Isn't that how True Survivor be like?
I did not die either
vernal trench
Isn't that how True Survivor be like?
Yea but doing that consistently is where its at
unless u lose
Cuz u gotta die to lose
steep flower
the other 2 did
barren nimbus
I rage quit
steep flower
I rage quit
vernal trench
i think like the last 6 wins i had i havent downed or died its whenever everyone folds and i cant clutch infinitely and we die
unreal nova
Yea but doing that consistently is where its at
Well, when we were tryharding for it, never once downed on winning runs. I guess I went slack but not now.
steep flower
Well, when we were tryharding for it, never once downed on winning runs. I guess...
Do i tryhard? I don't feel like it personally
vernal trench
I mean its not hard not downing or dying
steep flower
trully
austere mica
This is my most soulcrushing game, ended in victory somehow but was a total corpsedrag to finale
(Not havoc)
vernal trench
But havoc 40 is punishing enough if ur playing bad ull go down pretty easily
just cuz reaction time and gamesense matters so much
unreal nova
I mean its not hard not downing or dying
No bubble, it is hard.
steep flower
This is my most soulcrushing game, ended in victory somehow but was a total corp...
23 deaths...
vernal trench
If ur used to it it makes no difference tbh
austere mica
23 deaths...
I just stopped picking people up close to the final elevator to the riser
Not worth the 5 second meat shield
vernal trench
This is my most soulcrushing game, ended in victory somehow but was a total corp...
I cant even see how many downs or deaths
wanton dawn
But havoc 40 is punishing enough if ur playing bad ull go down pretty easily
I am regularly getting carried in h40
steep flower
thats just auric; good lord
austere mica
I cant even see how many downs or deaths
23
wanton dawn
It is fine
vernal trench
Fucking hell dude they had 100k while u got 800 what is this
austere mica
thats just auric; good lord
It might have been fucking normal board is the worst part
wanton dawn
Ye
vernal trench
Do u go down a lot
wanton dawn
Im bad
vernal trench
Na
wanton dawn
4 times yesreday
vernal trench
u werent bad when i played with u
vernal trench
4 times yesreday
Happens to anyone lmao
vernal trench
Kikinetter
hearty panther
oh no he's having a stroke again
wanton dawn
oh no he's having a stroke again
Again ?
hearty panther
see, your memory goes every time it happens smh
vernal trench
1.5 hours wtf
steep flower
we won but... i had to carry 4 times solo in it; it was painful in the end
steep flower
Xris was good; he a good pal, had lags due to connection issues sadly
vernal trench
When everyones dead and u gotta do it all by urself
steep flower
me 2; got disconnected twice (hence the low numbers)
unreal nova
But but but, they at least do damage.
wanton dawn
see, your memory goes every time it happens smh
Je n'oublies jamais rien. Sauf quand j'envoies quelqu'un dans le vide avec un tonneau d'explosifs.
Rofl
vernal trench
Dsmn
wanton dawn
Foreign language leaking
unreal nova
U and ur 300k
Look, the damage is accurate. It's always been 150k-300k.
unreal nova
DS4 only, yes.
vernal trench
I seen people get like 400-600k and thats already low
steep flower
Look, the damage is accurate. It's always been 150k-300k.
You are the best Team Morale Mascot; thats enough for me for sure
vernal trench
U dont even need to do damage just stand there and book
unreal nova
I mean, I have all the auras, right?
vernal trench
Ur whole purpose
steep flower
I mean, I have all the auras, right?
Oh yes you do
unreal nova
Ur whole purpose
And free crits.
I will argue with anyone who disagrees about me taking it.
vernal trench
I just noticed one of my games earlier the zealot took more ammo than me
Unacceptable
steep flower
wanton dawn
u werent bad when i played with u
Also you havent seen my 3 games worth of experience dbs performance
vernal trench
Whats dbs
vernal trench
Ok time 2 sleep
Gn
steep flower
vernal trench
wanton dawn
Double barrel shotgun
vernal trench
Thats fonna be insane
hearty panther
id reply in french but i feel like continuing to speak in french would be rule breaking
vernal trench
Yea ill ban u
wanton dawn
id reply in french but i feel like continuing to speak in french would be rule b...
Good lad
hearty panther
mais assui je suis TERRIBLE en francais quand sa viens a l'ecrit
zero french education lmao
wanton dawn
Yeah i figu... nah it is not so bad
hearty panther
i read les pass partout and tintin growing up, and i tried finishing les mis in french
that's literally it
wanton dawn
I don't write much in french either
hearty panther
conjugation trips me up hard
vernal trench
No more french
wanton dawn
Don't worry about it too much. It trips french ppl as well
hearty panther
whoever codified french was a fucken sadist
hearty panther
"yea make sure every possible tense has a different spelling"
"and sounds different?"
"nah make 90% sound exactly the same lmao"
wanton dawn
There is the one that makes everything sound like an insult
austere mica
Waiter Waiter more silent letters please!!!!
wanton dawn
Waiter Waiter more silent letters please!!!!
Coming from english that is rich
austere mica
English on its way to somehow incorporate elements from every language on the planet in the least good way possible
unreal nova
I really should nap, gotta be able to poke for 300ping H40 carries, yes. (Just pain keeping me up atm.)
wanton dawn
Spanish is probably the best for actual pronunciation with arabic alphabet
wanton dawn
I really should nap, gotta be able to poke for 300ping H40 carries, yes. (Just p...
Go to sleep !
unreal nova
Go to sleep !
You try that with a shattered back tooth, hrmph.
wanton dawn
You try that with a shattered back tooth, hrmph.
I dont like bringing health issue, it's cheap 
So i guess continue playing through the pain !
unreal nova
I dont like bringing health issue, it's cheap <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207...
I'm not playing. I just have an idle game running.
I'm just waiting for the pain to subside as usual and will probs be out cold by then.
wanton dawn
Well, good luck
unreal nova
Plus, can't play while eepy anyway. That's a recipe to be Cladded.
ocean hornet
Anyone got any tips for the On Overwatch penance? I just can't seem to go a whole mission without some sneaky poxwalker coming up and bonking me from behind 😦
barren nimbus
I just did the twins with good teammates and played super cautiously
Anything short
unreal nova
Anyone got any tips for the On Overwatch penance? I just can't seem to go a whol...
VoC and dodge spamming.
barren nimbus
Toughness and blocking will null the melee hit. I think you need to take actual health damage from a melee hit
ocean hornet
I assume VoC means Voice of Command, which I use, and yeah, I listen closely for that sound that indicates an incoming hit and dodge like crazy
Yeah, I can soak one hit with Toughness, but if another comes through, that chips away at health
unreal nova
Gold toughness? That gives you even more chances.
barren nimbus
The twins is honestly one of the easier missions if you have friends
unreal nova
The left talent for VoC.
ocean hornet
Oh, yes, I run that
Unfortunately, I don't have friends that play Darktide, so I'm stuck with Quickplay matches
unreal nova
It lets you take at least 2 hits before you actually get hit.
But yeah, the rest is just dodge+block often.
barren nimbus
If you play enough I’m pretty sure lots of people got it by just joining missions at the end etc
ocean hornet
I'll just keep trying. That one and "Make Every Shot Count" are killing me
barren nimbus
The plasma gun is good for that
ocean hornet
I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the tips
unreal nova
If no boss, carefully shoot at hordes.
tough tiger
@ocean hornet use melee weapons with the agile blessing (dodge refresh on headshot)
M1 dodge m1 dodge
Repeat until mission over
And voc, that too
vernal trench
Ds4
tough tiger
The bolt pistol with lethal prox blessing lets u knock over trash enemies if u shoot anywhere near them, or u can just shoot at your feet if you are surrounded
At that point u only have to worry about bosses and elites
vernal trench
Damn is it that good
latent parcel
Damn is it that good
Not as good as the godgryn
vernal trench
Not as good as the godgryn
The godgryn ull never become
latent parcel
why u so mean to me
vernal trench
why u so mean to me
Bro
Im sorry buddy
Ur the best godgryn i ever seen
Believe in urself!!
latent parcel
bro im not even a godgryn
vernal trench
U are now
latent parcel
you said i need to hit 1.8mil
vernal trench
when u gunna make an ogryn
Never
Imma quit on my invis vet
When i get the green insignia
Ill miss u then stompy
unreal nova
why u so mean to me
I thought you were the mean one to him? I'm confused.
wanton dawn
Everytime ppl write "mk6=bm/mk3=sunder" I feel more and more discouraged
unreal nova
Everytime ppl write "mk6=bm/mk3=sunder" I feel more and more discouraged
Knoife user being confused here.
wanton dawn
Well, i only play powersword so
latent parcel
Well, i only play powersword so
mk6 bm mk3 sunder maff
latent parcel
I thought you were the mean one to him? I'm confused.
Nah i would never!
wanton dawn
mk6 bm mk3 sunder maff
latent parcel
wanton dawn
Reddit being based for once
pallid jetty
just a few hrs ago we were talking about how this post is dumb af
wanton dawn
Well, discord takes are barely better
wanton dawn
just not technically correct use of the meme format
Depend how high you put the bell curve ig
Also brainrot gatekeeping is kinda sad ngl
honest pine
I made a build for the first time is it alright if I post it and have it trash-talked or whatever?
Or is there a dedicated place for that I'm too blind to spot
wanton dawn
I made a build for the first time is it alright if I post it and have it trash-t...
Oh yes
Don't forget to say it feels good to use for max engagement
rancid egret
Cadia stands!
honest pine
I mean
it does
FemScoutTF2.jpg
A lot of my builds come from just trying to figure out how to enjoy a gun that doesn't feel that good
rustic beacon
I‘d highly recommend you grab tactical awareness and iron will
honest pine
I hate reloading the shotgun so I built a talent build that lets me never need to reload
honest pine
I‘d highly recommend you grab tactical awareness and iron will
Can't fit it in, never felt like I need it
I usually take those for the faster cooldowns and toughness strength buuut
Duck, dodge dive, never get hit, win game
And the +1 charge to Infiltrate even with the 33% increased cooldown time I just never felt like I didn't have it when I needed it
rustic beacon
Duck and dive and invigorated are easy drops. Throw 2 out of twinned blast, field improv and on your toes on top and you got it
rustic beacon
Sure, but then why ask?
honest pine
I'm allowed to disagree with you 😛
Your input is noted tho
Normally I take tactical awareness in just about every build I do but I just haven't felt the need for it in this one
You're constantly getting burst toughness heals from other perks and having 2 infil charges feels like more than enough to me
And I really like the utility of Field Improv
The only talents I really feel like I could get rid of and not feel much difference is Duck & Dive & Covering Fire and that's not enough to reach tac awareness. If I get rid of Field Improve or twinned blast I could get born leader which'll share my burst toughness regen instead of covering fire and then tactical awareness which would let me invis more but I pretty rarely need to invis that much in missions 🤔
tame void
Sure, but then why ask?
Ask what
honest pine
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e2f3bea-a0d2-46f3-9f02-9630d1e0c9f0/sc...
Feedback on this
honest pine
That one time Ster_ screamed "Why are there so many scooty booty men?!" after being mobbed by Scouts is stuck in my brain forever
https://youtu.be/sclE51FomWw?t=177
Sorry its "There are so many scooty booty men." mis-remembered but still stuck with me forever.
tame void
FOR CADIA!
honest pine
||(Cadia is overrated)||
honest pine
Nah
Cadia is the ultramarines of imperial guard
I will take this opinion to the pyre
atomic void
Damn you're praising it
tame void
This is why kayex calls us pre servitors
plush gazelle
I made a build for the first time is it alright if I post it and have it trash-t...
u have that little faith in your build?
honest pine
Not really lol
I know I love it but idk some auric 5 solo gods might think its trash
lone yoke
does out for blood work with born leader?
vernal trench
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e2f3bea-a0d2-46f3-9f02-9630d1e0c9f0/sc...
Crazy build
U got reload speed as dump stat no wonder why u dont wanna reload lmfao
Serrated blade and covering fire why?
And why field improv
U should take out invigorated, serrated blade, covering fire and field improv
Take for the emperor, tactical awareness, iron will and demo team
Take precision strike and fully loaded if u can
Oh yea get rid of twinned blast and duck and dive
Duck and dives only real use case is when everyones dead and u have to infinitely run on a havoc 40 and u actually need that stamin
Also why bring 3 toughness curios?
honest pine
U got reload speed as dump stat no wonder why u dont wanna reload lmfao
Even with reload maxed it feels so slow especially when the baddies are in your face (the most optimal place to shoot your shotgun)
And I'd rather have all the other stats over reload speed
So eliminating reloading all together is hella
honest pine
Also why bring 3 toughness curios?
Cause I want to maximize toughness to get the most value out of % toughness restoration (and cause I'm kinda bad and the safety net is nice)
honest pine
Serrated blade and covering fire why?
I'm a simp for bleed and I like team oriented support talents
vernal trench
Cause I want to maximize toughness to get the most value out of % toughness rest...
What difficulty do u play on?
vernal trench
And I'd rather have all the other stats over reload speed
However slow it is its not gonna be slower than a boltgun and even then thats managable
U have infiltrate, reload during invis
Keep dodging when reloading normally
honest pine
What difficulty do u play on?
Whatever difficulty I can get a queue pop on lmao, anywhere from heresy to auric 5
honest pine
Keep dodging when reloading normally
Or I could hit dudes while dodging get a stack of ranged specialist and get a free instant reload
Higher DPS
vernal trench
U dont need the stamina for reload
honest pine
It'd be even better with a melee weapon with agile
vernal trench
Invigorated only replenishes stamina
honest pine
Stam is for pushing
vernal trench
Whatever difficulty I can get a queue pop on lmao, anywhere from heresy to auric...
Ur not gonna survive on high difficulties with this build
honest pine
I've been doing pretty well
vernal trench
But thats only if u wanna start playing those in the future
honest pine
So skill issue I guess
vernal trench
Ur playing auric damnation u can use half a skill tree to play those
vernal trench
Stam is for pushing
Bring a stamina curio
Ur gonna need tactical awareness
auric has so little shit its not strictly necessary but once u start going into havocs its a necessity
Ur gonna start folding with this build even in mid havocs u need to put more points into survivability instead of teamplay or serrated blade
U should always just have a +3 stam imo
3 17% toughness isnt worth it
But if u just play lower difficulties then just use whatever cuz literally anything can work lmao
neon current
am I the only one who uses +2 stam perk instead
neither DS, nor knife needs both perks to function
such a no brainer to me
vernal trench
am I the only one who uses +2 stam perk instead
Just use a +3 stam curio
vernal trench
no, I just use 21% HP instead
3 hp?
Hp doesnt matter nearly as much as toughness
Ur priority is to keep ur toughness up
neon current
huh no
1 hp 2 toughness
if my teammate fails to push a burster on H40, you'll just instadie without HP lel
neon current
just a better distribution of stats to have +2 stam on DS / knife instead for me
vernal trench
Stamina is too useful in every case not to bring
neon current
and other melees don't really need the +2/3
neon current
exactly, you don't need +3 either for PS
vernal trench
Its better to have than not
Extra running distance and more blocks is useful for a lot of cases
neon current
what I say to 1 hp 2 toughness yea!
vernal trench
I dont need that much toughness
i barely take damage if im not playing dogshit anyway
neon current
ionno, if you are forced to stand there blocking, you are likely fucked anyhow
+3 stamina won't help you
a nade or teammates will
honest pine
Sorry I was in a match, I'll go read your post now
neon current
exactly
north nimbus
what are like golden standard for talisman to have ???
vernal trench
U what
neon current
curios?
vernal trench
what are like golden standard for talisman to have ???
Theres none
north nimbus
yes
vernal trench
bring what u want
neon current
whatever playstyle you got accoustomed to
vernal trench
but that +3 stam can mean clutching a 40 or not
So i always bring a +3 but its not 100% necessary
honest pine
auric has so little shit its not strictly necessary but once u start going into ...
Okay well the highest I've gotten on havoc so far is like 15 so I'll just have to take your word for it, on aurics and maelstroms this build has been performing just fine, even saved more than a few runs 
north nimbus
ok but like blessing should have hp or toughness
vernal trench
Okay well the highest I've gotten on havoc so far is like 15 so I'll just have t...
Havoc 15 is easier than auric maelstroms
neon current
15 is heresy my man
honest pine
Well if it comes to that time then sure I'll see if I gotta
neon current
20+ is damnation
vernal trench
And using a double barrel shotgun and a shockmaul will mean its even harder to play it
neon current
and it doesn't kick into full gear till 30+
honest pine
20+ is damnation
Ah I see well as I said I also ran this on Auric 5 & maelstroms so again 
vernal trench
Ah I see well as I said I also ran this on Auric 5 & maelstroms so again <:Shrug...
I mean itll work fine on that
wheat stratus
20+ is when things are not boring, 30+ is when things becomes fun
vernal trench
If u wanna keep playing that then just keep ur build
But its super unoptimized for high difficulties
vernal trench
20+ is when things are not boring, 30+ is when things becomes fun
I cant even stand 30
Theres like nothing there the whole game
i didnt realize how big the change was between 30 and 35+ until i played a 30 a couple weeks ago
honest pine
Alright well if I ever get into those Havoc 30+ missions I'll see how I do
neon current
ok I just checked the build, you gonna get slaughtered with that
vernal trench
Alright well if I ever get into those Havoc 30+ missions I'll see how I do
U prolly wont even survive in 20 or 25
honest pine
But I don't think I was really intending it for high havocs just like Damnation+
Cause that's what most people play
As far as I've heard Havocs aren't even that popular
neon current
its not no
vernal trench
As far as I've heard Havocs aren't even that popular
Its for people who like playing difficult stuff
honest pine
Getting groups for them is kind of a pain in the ass
vernal trench
Most people dont like that
neon current
-75% ammo in a game where most players are terrible at meleeing
vernal trench
ok I just checked the build, you gonna get slaughtered with that
Yea lmao
neon current
is gonna make it unpopular
wheat stratus
it's very popular, for the people that likes it
it forces teams to actually play like teams
neon current
I don't touch anythign else
honest pine
Ah well I'll probably stop climbing on Havoc when I pass the auric 5 difficulty tier
wheat stratus
where as in auric you can just solo blitz through the map
neon current
shootfest outside of havoc is fkin boring
vernal trench
U got some real dogshit players on havoc 40s tho ill tell u that
vernal trench
So many people get carried onto it and suddenly think theyre even a half decent player
neon current
relying on their cheese
vernal trench
zealots and psykers
its always the psyker
neon current
I just play ogryn
honest pine
I kind of unironically hate some of the optimized builds like where you just skid around charged meleeing everything in the face with a dueling sword on zealot
vernal trench
I just play ogryn
3 toughness stam?
neon current
its so mind numbingly boring
neon current
3 toughness stam?
yea ofc, 140/240 makes one chunky boi
honest pine
You know its bad when an ogryn says a build is mind numbingly boring
vernal trench
notice anything
The psyker wasnt actually dogshit
neon current
ogryn is fun
vernal trench
for once
wheat stratus
The psyker wasnt actually dogshit
keep looking
neon current
ogryn fun comes from the slow dance of death
having to always dance around charging heavies for max efficiency
dusty sapphire
Immunity to suppression. Any good?
honest pine
Just play smite psyker and auto-battle the level
vernal trench
Hwo tf do u take 2.5k damage lmfao
wheat stratus
11 downs, 5 death
vernal trench
Just play smite psyker and auto-battle the level
I love those
wheat stratus
he had a 40 clear btw
vernal trench
Stand there and smite one single tox flamer
honest pine
I love those
I've had people leave Auric 5s because "smite psyker makes it too easy"
Find it hilarious when its dueling sword zealots saying that shit
wheat stratus
alright let see
vernal trench
23-13-1
Ill literally eat every ammo i can find if u let me lmfoa
its just how i roll
neon current
yea, why I don't play vet often
wheat stratus
it's bad but not that ogyrn lvl lol
neon current
I don't function well on the selfish classes
vernal trench
altho i can play games with 2 vets and 2 zealots just fine wiht ammo
its just if u let me eat all of it i actually will
vernal trench
I don't function well on the selfish classes
Any class is pretty selfish if u play selfish
neon current
I suppose
vernal trench
it's bad but not that ogyrn lvl lol
Na that psyker was dogshit
I was facepalming all game and i wasnt even playing good that day
neon current
I'd feel bad playing fotf zealot on havoc, so I just do ogryn instead
I prefer to be low econ
so my pugs can just gobble up everything
vernal trench
I'd feel bad playing fotf zealot on havoc, so I just do ogryn instead
How much those guys were dying they were at constant half ammo anyway
vernal trench
I'd feel bad playing fotf zealot on havoc, so I just do ogryn instead
Psyker has 0 ammo intake entirely why not do that lmao
wheat stratus
play charge zealot on high havoc is heresy
neon current
Psyker has 0 ammo intake entirely why not do that lmao
well yea, that's what I do
psyker or ogryn
vernal trench
fair enough
neon current
I cba to chorus my zealot
vernal trench
I just dont enjoy the psyker playstyle i like shooting shit
neon current
and I don't much like shooting
vernal trench
I cba to chorus my zealot
Charge zealot
neon current
vet is a bombardier on havoc anyhow
vernal trench
lmfao yea
I had a game yesterday where the zealot took more ammo than me
It was diabolical
neon current
the good thing about vet, no one is expecting you to bring anything specific
as logn as you have shout
vernal trench
I didnt even notice until i checked the scoreboard
neon current
you can do whatever the fuck you want
vernal trench
as logn as you have shout
Shout sucks
wheat stratus
vet need to take care of the ranged criters/gunners
vernal trench
i hate using it so i just dont use it
All abilities are viable but no one is even half decent at the game so they all just crutch on shout
neon current
I play shout cuz I don't enjoy vet much
wheat stratus
all abilities are viable ONLY if your team already have enough cc
neon current
everyone is gonna wanna shoot anyhow
vernal trench
If u bring exec stance ur either dogshit or just insane cuz the survivability on that is so low ur compensating entirely with skill
neon current
so most of the time, I end up meleeing on vet
vernal trench
all abilities are viable ONLY if your team already have enough cc
All abilities are viable aside from maybe exec stance where u really will rely on ur teamates to survive
neon current
for which exe stance has no use
vernal trench
lmao thats why ur a 1700 zealot
glad gale
i like bolt pistol that a build i need to collect to play on high sertain death ?
neon current
Ogryn is just a force of nature
insane melee dmg stagger cleave
scales best into havoc after psyker imo
he is just too clunky for lower difficulties, whereas everything stats clicking on high havoc
neon current
well no, you can just run cleaver for non havoc
vernal trench
Those 2 can compete with each others damage
neon current
and zoom alongside humans
vernal trench
Speedy big man
vernal trench
Only scriers gaze psyker
vernal trench
A normal inferno psyker wont kill nearly as fast
tame lodge
well no, you can just run cleaver for non havoc
And bring a Can Opener Ripper
Cleaver will stop existing against Crushers
vernal trench
scrier does nothing lel
Its broken op if u know how to use it
vernal trench
Essentially immune to range eternally and the damage boost is scary
tame lodge
GG is also nice
vernal trench
If osmeones down theyre as good as dead majority of the time
neon current
but all this ogryn weak cry is just that
really bad players having skill issue 😦
bad at meleeing, that is
vernal trench
They havent seen the ogryn that does 1.8 mil damage
neon current
and yea, his builds are limited
vernal trench
Thats when i knew how strong ogryn can carry
neon current
but who cares as long as its fun
for me the fun comes from piloting the slow ogryn dance of death
minmaxing your movement and attacks
neon current
ogryn dodges are actually the longest
it's just all the melees have negative value
and shorter linger
unless they've changed that
funnily enough, your best dodge weapons are gauntlet and rumbler
and rock
rock has good dodge
vernal trench
ogryn dodges are actually the longest
Yea but hes also way bigger
Lmao rock is funny
neon current
but thats not what I'm talking about
I'm talkign about dodgesliding and charging heavy during
to minimize dmg downtime
heavy hitter ogryn will have 63% TDR charging heavies nonstop
vernal trench
Idk id ont play ogryn
neon current
thats without curios
neon current
how you survive high havoc without shield
always.charge.heavies
implacable OP
15% DR during attack windup, double dipping into TDR
vernal trench
Ogryn op
neon current
you literally have 63% TDR at all the time charging heavies
vernal trench
All these noobs complaining about this and that but they all just got a skill issue
neon current
at 140/240 on H40
neon current
heavy stubber
is a beatiful thing
you can just also taunt all of em if you can commando in range
sneaky ogryn
steady grip is also 8% like catch a breath because of server tickrate
vernal trench
Heavy stubber gud
vernal trench
What about best gun for psyker
vernal trench
I love my plasma gun psyker
neon current
why use ammo, when you can just not
neon current
it doesn't
tame lodge
Well it would work against bosses
neon current
gun psyker has terrible ammo econ
best gun would prolly be laspistol
but still runs empty too quick
tame lodge
Vraks 5
neon current
and inf AR?
tame lodge
Got all the burst you want
neon current
I1m talkign about ammo econ
thorn lark
bistol works well
neon current
vraks, you'd be 0 ammo in a blink
neon current
okay
thorn lark
recon too if you mix with assail
neon current
I haven't seen a single gun psyker yet and I have this:
vernal trench
Me neither
neon current
vernal trench
Maybe in a safe pre made team environment it works
tame lodge
I guess a Gunker would be more melee focused with occasional gun burst
neon current
the best ammo econ on a gun psyker is not using a gun at all
vernal trench
Ive probably queued around 400 havoc games and ive seen less than 5 infiltrate vets 0 exec stance vets and 0 scriers gaze psyker 0 gun psyker
neon current
why would you, you have inferno and trauma
vernal trench
why would you, you have inferno and trauma
Trolling
thorn lark
are we still having an anti gun psyker moment like in 2023?
thorn lark
why would you, you have inferno and trauma
boring
tame lodge
Nah
Psyker best boss weapon is a gun
thorn lark
also, diversity
tame lodge
So if you're a flex pick you can be on boss killing duty with psyker
vernal trench
If it works it works but i just havent seen it
Doubt i will see it cuz everyone just plays the same boring shit
tame lodge
Melee everything
Use assail for annoying ranged enemies
Pop Scriers and burst a boss
Then you'd search for ammo for the next boss
vernal trench
Do u play gun psyker?
thorn lark
Ive probably queued around 400 havoc games and ive seen less than 5 infiltrate v...
the lack of exec vet is sadge, as for gun psyker i can understand, it;s the same for gunlugger
but that's havoc being bad and killing diversity
calm shard
Ive probably queued around 400 havoc games and ive seen less than 5 infiltrate v...
not surprising
vernal trench
the lack of exec vet is sadge, as for gun psyker i can understand, it;s the same...
Exec stance is so hard to run
calm shard
they're strong abilitie, but havoc specifically is super unfavourable for them
vernal trench
I wanna see how u handle ammo econ mostly
calm shard
SG and Exe Stance are both actually good in Havoc but they're so much fucking harder than just running bubble/shout
thorn lark
Exec stance is so hard to run
in havoc, yeah i would not try it without a premade
vernal trench
Exec stance is a glass cannon even i wont run it in pubs
Especially when everyone dies constantly
I cant clutch with exec stance ill just die
thorn lark
use bolter exe with pinning fire + inspiring barrage
vernal trench
Altho i might just queue up some games for practice and see how it runs since i havent played it in a while
thorn lark
also O4B
vernal trench
I use hellbore 4 with mine
I use mf + exec stance with it
Hits harder than a truck
calm shard
Yeah with exe stance I would say that Bolter, Infantry Lasgun, and Helbore are the obvious choices
calm shard
Bolter is especially fun because you can almost 1 mag most monstrosities
Very useful for the totally 100% guaranteed Beast of Nurgle spawns at the start of Gloriana
vernal trench
Bolter is especially fun because you can almost 1 mag most monstrosities
Theres no way ur doing that on a 40
not even full headshots on a chaos spawn
calm shard
well yeah that's chaos spawn being fucking impossible to headshot
because they're shittily designed
vernal trench
Exec stance survivability is just way too low
thorn lark
i run that with bolter + hsword
vernal trench
I mean its probably possible to solo a havoc 40 with it but i doubt anyone on the planet is good enough
thorn lark
Exec stance survivability is just way too low
bolter + inspiring barrage, it's almost like ye ol' sustained fire
vernal trench
i run that with bolter + hsword
No demo team?
pastel yew
Exec stance survivability is just way too low
lower for sure but it highlights all the important targets, increases your damage
a lot of the vet talents that regen toughness proc on those targets
thorn lark
No demo team?
i run demo stockpile instead
pastel yew
plus killing them faster removes the threat
vernal trench
lower for sure but it highlights all the important targets, increases your damag...
yea exec stance is gonna have the highest damage output out of anything
pastel yew
it's not a panic button
vernal trench
i run demo stockpile instead
Run the 60 sec regen + demo team
thorn lark
but i could run demo team tbh
thorn lark
Run the 60 sec regen + demo team
points points
vernal trench
Its not strong when u have no time to shoot and only run for the most part tho
thorn lark
but yeah, with a rashad
vernal trench
Cuz ur entire team folded
pastel yew
yeah but the idea is that should be less likely to happen when you use it
plus you could always take a melee weapon to account for it
vernal trench
but yeah, with a rashad
Damn no highlights?
thorn lark
Damn no highlights?
only for elites and specialists
vernal trench
yeah but the idea is that should be less likely to happen when you use it
Yea if ur team is doing what theyre supposed to
calm shard
somewhat related question to the bolter discussion earlier
what is actually the best boss damage setup for it
vernal trench
only for elites and specialists
Use human sized enemies or whatever that highlights the little shooters if ur playing havoc
pastel yew
if they're not doing what they're supposed to then you're going to be in a tight spot regardless
and like I said, combat blade
vernal trench
what is actually the best boss damage setup for it
Fire team exec stance bolter
vernal trench
if they're not doing what they're supposed to then you're going to be in a tight...
Yea
thorn lark
Use human sized enemies or whatever that highlights the little shooters if ur pl...
ohh, i am not playing havoc with exec stance
pastel yew
the absolute best boss damage setup is the cowboy revolver
pastel yew
but its a pretty meme build
vernal trench
Ur survivability is so shit its near impossible to clutch cuz u have no passive stamina regen
thorn lark
i use shattering puncture on zealot and shout vet motsly, and pinning + inspiring for exec
i like using puncture because it can also benefit zealots and ogryns
thorn lark
Ur survivability is so shit its near impossible to clutch cuz u have no passive ...
3 stam curio + 36 regen stam goes a long way
vernal trench
i use shattering puncture on zealot and shout vet motsly, and pinning + inspirin...
Yea same for my bolter
Shattering + cavalcade will probably be the best for bosses actually
tame lodge
You'd damage with direct hits from the Bolter
Then shattering would debuff the boss
Then bleeding would just ravage the boss
vernal trench
3 stam curio + 36 regen stam goes a long way
Yea but its havoc 40 solo were talking about
vernal trench
Shattering + cavalcade will probably be the best for bosses actually
If u wanna kill him within a mag dump this is prolly the best bet
And then bring it down and unyeilding damage
thorn lark
Shattering + cavalcade will probably be the best for bosses actually
never tried it actually
vernal trench
It works but i need the bleed for pus hardened
calm shard
yeah testing it puncture+shattering is better for normal enemy breakpoints
cavalcade+shattering is better into bosses
if you can somehow actually hit their head chaos spawn take 12 shots to die lmao
thorn lark
why the crit recon talent lol
?
calm shard
helbore build without changing anything
thorn lark
i would take reciprocity with it
calm shard
I am not going through the nonsense to test reciprocity in the psykhanium and I don't actually want to use the bolter
I don't like the bolter on exe stance entirely because its ammo economy doesn't favor mercilessly gunning down every single ranged enemy on the map by myself
light ridge
if you can somehow actually hit their head chaos spawn take 12 shots to die lmao
Where's the head anyway?
calm shard
the part they eat you with
light ridge
You sure that's the head?
tame lodge
Where's the head anyway?
Slightly above center mass
tough tiger
Their head is their tiny face
tropic halo
Scab only mostly ranged units, gotta say it really fun using smokes
Starting to have the hang of it more and like them ton
calm shard
smokes are cool and fun but absolutely miserable on your point economy, and also not shredder grenades
better than kraks tho
tropic halo
better than kraks tho
vernal trench
Scab only mostly ranged units, gotta say it really fun using smokes
Damn i thought itll reach like 1 mil damage with how many armored elites there are
Smokes on scab only is kinda a waste tho
Barely shooters
calm shard
as evidenced by the 106 gunner kills you have
tropic halo
thats fine
vernal trench
as evidenced by the ***106*** gunner kills you have
Oh yea
Thats almost havoc 40 levels of gunners
tropic halo
But it was a pretty fun mission, throwing smokes while using Psword just cutting every gunner like butter when stacked up
vernal trench
Smokes is pretty good
tame lodge
better than kraks tho
But big boss damage funny
vernal trench
Kraks fall off hard as u go up higher in the difficulty tho
If kraks had better range itll be eay better
calm shard
kraks fall off hard when your teammates aren't ass on lower difficulties too
vernal trench
Lmfao
calm shard
vernal trench
kraks fall off hard when your teammates aren't ass on lower difficulties too
Yea but ur more liekly to win the lottery than that
calm shard
related clip of me playing psyker
friendly vet threw a krak grneade at a horde of big armored enemies
and I still killed them all before it went off
vernal trench
Thsts ehy kraks fall off hard
calm shard
it didn't kill any of them lmao
vernal trench
Yea and the range of it is atrocious
tame lodge
Deimos propaganda go crazy
fervent hemlock
Scab only mostly ranged units, gotta say it really fun using smokes
is this a standard breakdown?
thorn lark
Deimos propaganda go crazy
don't forget obscurussy
tropic halo
is this a standard breakdown?
wdym?
austere pine
party lead takes ages to get people in. we finally get a full party for havoc. party lead leaves.
tropic halo
It is a mod
tame void
If your game don't have it, is a mod
vernal trench
party lead takes ages to get people in. we finally get a full party for havoc. p...
Lmfao
tropic halo
The serotonin boosts and ADHD activation while using Psword never stops being so good for me
vernal trench
The serotonin boosts and ADHD activation while using Psword never stops being so...
Why do u use infiltrate in the worst way possible
tropic halo
Just to stagger the horde for a short time 
tropic halo
Nuh huh 
vernal trench
Bigger stagger bigger radius and golden toughness
I saw a video of a guy using infiltrate just like that on youtube
And it was so painful
tropic halo
Golden toughness too overrated, me like to switch between exe stance and infiltrator 
vernal trench
Golden toughness too overrated, me like to switch between exe stance and infiltr...
Yea but not when ur using infiltrate entirely wrong
I was watching him play and hes using infiltrate like its shout and its so pointless
Hes not even using it right and also dies a couple times with it
glacial ferry
ye he should be using it to skip through most of the level or hit obj
vernal trench
ye he should be using it to skip through most of the level or hit obj
Na thats the basic way of using it
U can do so much with infiltrate but no one ever knows how
It carries on a havoc 40 if used right
tropic halo
I mainly use infiltrator for escapes or revives but i was just having a moment with that clip in particular with the massive horde and the beast
vernal trench
U can get away with it in low difficulties
But if u run out of charges on h40 u can die
U always want to keep atleast one charge left if u can
And that means extending the invis to its full duration
tropic halo
Not like I dont play H40 either way and dont really plan to
tropic halo
I am comfortable with auric mael alone
glacial ferry
it can carry h40 so well by running through the level and doing obj
tropic halo
I would give H30-40 an attempt but personally i am not too smart and thoughtful with how intense and stressed can be for me
inland orchid
That’s pretty smart and thoughtful
Not stepping into territory you assume/know you won’t enjoy compared to others
vernal trench
it can carry h40 so well by running through the level and doing obj
Thats barely doing shit
vernal trench
I would give H30-40 an attempt but personally i am not too smart and thoughtful ...
Just play what u want
If u dont enjoy it dontplay it
Havoc isnt for everyone
tropic halo
Just playing H25 already proves to me that is the max i can reach
glacial ferry
their way looks more fun anyway
vernal trench
If u wanna get better at the game then play high havics
If u dont then no need to play it
Its just for people who like playing the hardest difficulties
Or people that like carried onto it and ruin other peoples games
light ridge
Tanner made a new tier video
Queue influx of fotm build gatekeepers
tropic halo
Oh boy
3 hour video of all skill trees abilities, keystones, auras and blitz is insane
grand perch
tropic halo
Is that Feel No Pain on D tier?
grand perch
I think I'd rather watch 3 hours of pimple popping videos
austere pine
smite a tier
tropic halo
BB on B tier but Smite in A tier is insane
tropic halo
I do love how the majority of ogryn stuff is almost on lowest
grand lintel
tropic halo
I would not be surprised if this tier list is only ranked for high Havoc
vernal trench
smite a tier <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Infiltrate and taunt on D too
vernal trench
I would not be surprised if this tier list is only ranked for high Havoc
Its ranked for high havocs i think and a shit ranking at that
Tanner doesnt know what hes talking about lmao
tropic halo
vernal trench
tropic halo
Itchy
vernal trench
Hell yea