veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

for horde clear

if you want single target damage, mk7

[fervent hemlock]

feels like that takes too much set up to be useable

[hollow ibex]

all the shovels are kinda mid tho

[calm shard]

clearly the solution is to nerf the damage on the sweepy heavies but give them real cleave by base

[hollow ibex]

i think it's more just the moveset mk6 gets is far superior

[tall torrent]

Jump off map, teammate speed run without reviving u

[fiery raft]

why that

?

[hollow ibex]

sweeping heavies for horde clear + super fast push attack for single target

[fiery raft]

i just tried it

what an improvement

[hollow ibex]

vs. the mk3's light attacks for horde clear (low cleave, horrible at hitting weakspots) + heavy attacks for single target (slower than mk6 push attacks)

[agile forge]

Honestly I think my Zealot will switch over too

been dogmatic about the 3 without even trying the 6

[fiery raft]

what would i do for building combat knife?

never done it

[tame lodge]

Uncanny with Riposte or Precognition

Mobility 60%

Always aim for weakspots

[hollow ibex]

knife's also pretty talent point hungry

[fiery raft]

why's that?\

[hollow ibex]

depending on the build you need to grab stamina regen delay reduction, precision strikes, serrated blade, and then trench fighter

so basically all over the place

[fiery raft]

alright

also

personal question

best shovel mk?

what do you guys think

[faint beacon]

Mk1 no argument there

Mk3 and 7 exist but they just get outclassed by other melee options and Mk1 kinda has its own thing going for it

[remote sonnet]

Even mk1 is outclassed, but it is more versatile than the other 2 with the usable special.

[supple laurel]

tanner suggesting onslaught:

(i know he does because i fell into that trap from him)

[agile forge]

Serrated Blade is just for if you wanna go mercy killer iirc

but that's a fun way to build it

[tribal tangle]

Mk7 Shovel fun. Crusher 1shotting fun

[serene bough]

i dont think mercy killer is worth

uncanny + riposte/precog/FT is good enough

[hollow ibex]

MK is pretty good but yeah, taking serrated blade can hurt

[terse idol]

if yer maining for mercy killer it's not the wooorst

Uncanny Mercy killer with serated

[serene bough]

its not bad damage im just not a fan of the serrated blade talent tax

[gilded wraith]

Serrated Blade had some odd (negative) interactions with brittleness when Reginald tried it out with Bloodletter on the chain axe.

[faint beacon]

There’s only like 2 guns that make it work outside of that never touch Onslaught

Tanner and the consequences he’s put on the Veteran community

[tall torrent]

it's not

riposte and flesh tearer are both better

[faint beacon]

Literally only for Serrated synergy that’s it

It serves 0 purpose outside of that

[frank ledge]

everyone*

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah you’re right he touched Zealot and Ogryn

Idk about psyker

But Veteran was his ground 0

[tall torrent]

he made psyker vid first

then veteran

[faint beacon]

Seriously

[tall torrent]

but he got flamed harder for the veteran one because veteran players are more mathematically obsessed

[faint beacon]

YEAH THAT SOUNDS RIGHT LMAO

Probably why I never heard of the “end all be all psyker guide” from him

[tall torrent]

but also

psyker players never agreed on anything

so trying to do a conclusive guide for them is basically impossible

pygex's guide is pretty controversial amongst psyker players

(he also got a lot of things wrong)

[frank ledge]

[tall torrent]

but frankly that's almost every guide by everyone except like 5 or so people

[frank ledge]

A lot of psykers don't know the truth about taxe

[faint beacon]

Taxe is so incredibly fucked on Meleeker if you run Zarona

[tall torrent]

A lot of psykers don't know the truth about taxe anything

[pallid jetty]

i dont think any reject cares about taxes

[frank ledge]

They should, the administratum may send one of their ships to Atoma in 200 years if Ranick refuses to declare his taxes

[topaz hollow]

i think atoma might be soon due to their tithe

if were retaking all of the tank factories and capturing abandoned ones to restart production

besides the inquisition is already there. if anything theyd be aware already theres something going on

and wouldnt push too hard for the tithes since... its already ongoing

this whole thing that is

[tall torrent]

tithe could be an interesting plot point for sure

for now the focus is on the cult tho

[topaz hollow]

im certain theres going to be a noble at some point later that will betray, one of them at their hands in this afterall

[tribal tangle]

Theres an ogryn rework coming with the next major update right?

[tall torrent]

a good ogryn rework would have at least 10 of their weapons being massively buffed

let's see if fatshark is willing to go that far

[tribal tangle]

well we can dream anyway

Make charged pmaul with thrust 1shot crushers with a heavy. Why not, it might actually get used

[supple laurel]

i mean

they put the effort of nerfing ogryn into the fucking ground

im sure they have the effort to buff them

[frank ledge]

Even with weapon changes, Ogryn issues are core level

[tall torrent]

ogryn being weak is wildly exaggerated

most problems are with their weapons being overwhelmingly underwhelming

and not having dodge linger mechanic whatsoever

[tribal tangle]

And them moving the explosion radius so I cant get it with the rumbler and my melee build anymore

[frank ledge]

Ogryn perks are generally less impactful

After the bleed and rending changes Ogryn's 2 main damage avenues were cut

Ammo economy and havoc hp scaling hit Ogryn the most

with gunker been a close second

[latent parcel]

Ogryn is fine in high havocs just needs more weapon variety

[tall torrent]

give bully club cleave through carapace, uncapped cleave dmg distribution, and make haymaker target all enemies including ogryns
let's find out who's the real high roller

[tribal tangle]

Gunners are gonna make pretty much anything but shield a pain in the diiick

I'm sure you can use anything though

[latent parcel]

Pickaxe ogryn is problay strongest melee ingame

can almost do psyker level of damage just cant compete with infinite cleave

[frank ledge]

Karsolas*
Branx has low horde dps
Boro has lower both

Even Karsolas pales in comparison to zealot dps due to talents/ability usage

[austere mica]

Specifically because of finesse

Hard to compare when zealot has an entire extra avenue to stack damage

[frank ledge]

Which goes back to the main issue, Ogryn rending and bleed changes made him loose dps, use his generally meh talents to compensate the dodge cooldown

Don't forget critical hits

Poor Ogryn can't crit build either, outside of Glugger range*

[latent parcel]

Nah ive done more on zealot but thats cuz i was duoing

ogryn puts out massive dps

[tame lodge]

Haymaker to the Cleavers

[tribal tangle]

bring back monstrosity slap stunlock

[frank ledge]

Outside of glugger, not as much as zealot.

[faint beacon]

Savage sweep haymaker

Holy peak

[latent parcel]

in havoc? Maybe if u spam ur flamer 24/7 but ogryn pickaxe is still stronger melee

[frank ledge]

Relic blade has better performance with mass maniac and even armor.
Hsword has better horde and maniac performance

[latent parcel]

Then a karsolas?

You must not play ogryn

[frank ledge]

[latent parcel]

show me a zealot putting out 1.8mil

with a relic blade or heavy sword

[frank ledge]

And that's the issue, lack of oveproof

[frank ledge]

Instead of looking at e peen measuring, look at the weapon cleave values, dps.

Karsolas won't sustain the upper hand the moment anything but pure trash comes, mixed hordes, the norm in havoc lowers the dps heavily due to poor maniac scaling like most ogryn weapons are. Even basic flak armor lowers karsolas dps due to mass vs cleave

Add in the occasional charge burst and finess multipliers+crit and zealot is outputtinf 1.4x times our possible average

[latent parcel]

I guess if u say so

relic blade zealot aint out putting that kinda damage

[frank ledge]

This is the issue and why Ogryn hasn't stood up yet, only a handful of us have done the actual math vs other classes

Scoreboard ain't mattering, we talking about ingame stats, not per match performance

[latent parcel]

lol ok i wont even argue then.

[wanton dawn]

Arguing is tiring

[frank ledge]

It really is when you constantly see the same bs thrown about instead of using data provided

[wanton dawn]

No data, only duel sword !

[latent parcel]

the day i see maff use a dueling sword may be the last day of darktide

[frank ledge]

I'm sick of seen 3 mits and 3 dueling swords in havoc

[topaz hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/teaclub-borzoi-booboo-bear-gif-21566123

[wanton dawn]

Whats a mits ? A shortened name for wool gloves ?

[latent parcel]

no idea

[frank ledge]

I wish those would be cool on our ogryns for gloriana

Mitigation, VoC, bubble, Chorus

[latent parcel]

i cant wait for ogryn buff though. that way i can do more dps then psyker!

[wanton dawn]

Right

[frank ledge]

Could count loyal protector too, but that's more of a dps increase that Fatshark didn't anticipate

[wanton dawn]

VoC has been the best vet ult since talent tree rework

[latent parcel]

Maff said hes bringing exe stance next time into havoc

[frank ledge]

Yes

But it's boring

[wanton dawn]

I said dbs but yeah, i could

[topaz hollow]

if they had made different animations for other melee weapons id been using them so tired of having the characters use the fist cuff stance like its any good on all the weapons

https://tenor.com/view/its-time-to-eat-garfield-knife-and-fork-eating-time-dinner-time-gif-19321135

"im hungry for battle ahh"

[frank ledge]

Dueling sword is also among the best weps about, but it's boring

[topaz hollow]

dueling sword animation so zesty 🙂

[wanton dawn]

I don't like ds that much. Not what i look for in a melee

I had more fun with shovel

[latent parcel]

i only use DS when i want my overkill to be higher then my actual damage

[topaz hollow]

oh yeah most other weapons have something interesting about them but all of their 3rd person iddle animation are ass

[wanton dawn]

Otherwise i just pick ps6 and be done with it

Worse defensively sure

[frank ledge]

Have you considered shock maul, results may shock you

[wanton dawn]

Nah. Its crap on bosses

I hate having poor dmg against an armor class

Low infested on boltgun was tolerable cuz it never mattered

[frank ledge]

Lord chaxe calls then

All 3 of it's left users would appreciate you

[wanton dawn]

I did try it. Shame to have such good blessing on a weapon with such crap properties

Plus it is a shorties weapon

Look dumb

Make it 2 handed ffs

[frank ledge]

[latent parcel]

Maff u play ogryn so i can play my vet next time we do h40's

[frank ledge]

Almost forgot lsword exists

[wanton dawn]

Ill need a build that i actually enjoy

Plus why me playing vet prevent you from ?

[latent parcel]

u take all the ammo

[wanton dawn]

I can adjust eh

Am usually the only dude with an actual "ranged" so yeah

Those specialists won't kill themselves

[frank ledge]

You could run the build JohNoAmmo uses

Altho helbore for havoc is a bit iffy

[opaque cypress]

i main psyker so playing power sword is my way :)

infantry autogun my beloved

[frank ledge]

Havoc gunker

[opaque cypress]

also i have opened my third eye to marksman focus

[latent parcel]

straight in the trash unless ur the only one slurping up ammo

[opaque cypress]

oh come on

its 1 bullet per thing that's not armored

[latent parcel]

i meant havoc gunker

[opaque cypress]

add in MM focus and it really feels fun

oh goodness i dont play havoc yet 😓

im stuck in heresy/damnation being my comfort zone

[latent parcel]

ya play what u have fun with

[opaque cypress]

:)! i will

i play games to have fun

[latent parcel]

name of the game

[opaque cypress]

i just learnt recently that marksman focus isnt bad

im just bad.

if i hit my headshots, its really fun

[latent parcel]

ive never used it

[opaque cypress]

wha

you should give it a try

and dont go recon lasgun, try the autogun

[wanton dawn]

Well, it is the weakest vet keystone

[opaque cypress]

well i enjoy landing a bullet at max stacks between a gunners eyes at super long range

[latent parcel]

Maff how many hours u got in DT?

roughly

[wanton dawn]

1500

[opaque cypress]

i have 200 T_T

[latent parcel]

lol fuck

[opaque cypress]

almost*

[latent parcel]

i missed the auric time

musta gave more

xp

your vets true level is higher then all 4 of mine

[opaque cypress]

i dont care if its weak, i like shooting faces

[latent parcel]

and i got way more hours

[wanton dawn]

Well, idk. I just like playing vet

[latent parcel]

Nah i mean i quit before aurics came out

i have like

60-70 aurics done total

[wanton dawn]

I got like 5 hours with infiltrate though

[latent parcel]

i didnt know they must give alot of xp for true level

[wanton dawn]

I mean, does it matter ?

[latent parcel]

nah

[opaque cypress]

only? D:

that skill felt so fun when going through the penance

[latent parcel]

i just thought u had way more hours then i did at ur true level

[wanton dawn]

Idk. I just play, get lvl

And i guess i zoom more with good success rate ?

Over that much hour it compound

[latent parcel]

Ya possibly

[wanton dawn]

Like path.exe do like, half his time is the training psy

[latent parcel]

ive only seen like 1 other person with as many hours as me

which makes me sad

i need a new game

[wanton dawn]

Well, i do think that from time to time

But whatever. Ill stop when i get bored

[latent parcel]

Ya im close to a break

Making an ogryn for havoc kept me around alot longer then i thought it would

[wanton dawn]

Technically i did stop. I rarely play outside of group

Then havoc dropped and i started playing more again

[night timber]

Need some sessy hot lasgun build for my veteran. Any recommendations should be great

[latent parcel]

Havoc only reason i came back to play

Only reason im still playing lol

[wanton dawn]

I think the lasgun fans are sleeping rn

[opaque cypress]

HAVE YOU HEARD OF

MARKSMAN FOCUS

[latent parcel]

🤣

[wanton dawn]

Well, dont force yourself is all

[opaque cypress]

i will shill it until i get punished heavily for using it, but the better i aim, the better it feels

[wanton dawn]

Game are meant to be fun so... stop when it isnt

[latent parcel]

Ya when monster hunter drops this month ill problay be takn a break

unless feb update is good

Ogryn problay gonna be OP

[opaque cypress]

so how good are you at hitting heads

[opaque cypress]

wait theres an ogryn update coming?

please?

give my boy some love?

[wanton dawn]

On that good discussion,i need to get up and prepare working

[latent parcel]

I think so everyone talking about it

[wanton dawn]

Need to prepare a ppt presentation and i HATE that

[latent parcel]

sounds terrid

i need to sleep

[night timber]

Uhm hard to say it like 40% hs for scout only from cs2

Is it count

[opaque cypress]

nah marksman focus is a lawnmower with a high fire rate gun

plus a long range murderer if you can hit your shots

[wanton dawn]

Aight, peace

[night timber]

Uhm that interesting

[opaque cypress]

look, you CAN run a helbore lasgun

but it really kills your crowd clearing potential

i have yet to try MM focus on recon lasgun

im still like really new to the game lol, i just recently picked up marksman focus and how to play around it + executioners

[night timber]

Auric damnation is kinda headache for me lately. So I'm trying for some build that has the most impact dps

[opaque cypress]

do you care about ammo conservation or nope

[night timber]

Well I do if it related to lasgun

[opaque cypress]

i dont have my own build on hand rn

but running crits so far in damnation/heresy with most skills on the left, has been fun :)!

and viable enough if the scoreboard mod isnt lying to me, real high offense scores

[night timber]

True

[opaque cypress]

seeing the funny purple number stack up from nothing makes me happy

still debating whether camouflage or 15 stacks is better

i mean obv if i get a 100% headshot ratio, 15 stacks > camo

but i also run infantry autogun

....hmmm now thats an idea

how well do shotguns work with MM focus

[tall torrent]

very funny

[opaque cypress]

funny good?

[tall torrent]

can't say that

it's just

funny

[terse idol]

Gotta play that recon lasgun

[thorn lark]

This is what vindication feels like.

[pseudo fiber]

Watching ChocoB's new video and their DB heavy sword build is interestign

[thorn lark]

link?

[frank ledge]

People on their way to easily be misinformed

[pseudo fiber]

https://imgur.com/a/J4xoZul

[pseudo fiber]

^

[thorn lark]

Eating Mr Slop food

[thorn lark]

that's interesting

[viscid dome]

hi , which mark and which stats/blessings should i use for this ?

[iron atlas]

charge rate go brrrrr

and maybe armour dmg bonus

[pseudo fiber]

Check pins it should have an answer

[iron atlas]

does crit is rng or when u hit weak spot (head) it proc?

[silver trellis]

Whats better for Bosses / Carapace / Bigger enemies. Spearhead Boltgun or Plasma?

Compatible for Havoc preferably

[winter sluice]

I think bolt gun. Just because of the auto fire. Running cavalcade and the other mag dump one

But that shits through ammo on havok and plasma is more efficient

I could never just not use my gun barely at all during havok so I run weapon specialist melee focus revolver so I don't have to worry about ammo ever

[silver trellis]

I have that one, I was wondering if Plasma was a better alternative

Do you have a build for Plasma btw? Wanna try something new

[wanton dawn]

Boltgun is better at shooting but boltgun requires a lot of dedicated talent to support it. Build variety is worse and your melee perf suffers

[dry cloak]

Boltgun is good for exestance builds. At least in my experience

[wanton dawn]

Boltgun loves ES but it works on voc build

[dry cloak]

I did a stupid thing once

Played plasma with weapon spec

[wanton dawn]

It is not stupid

[dry cloak]

It worked suprisingly well

Possibly gonna farm low havocs today

[wanton dawn]

Ws plasma is basically a melee build except you got a gun that is good at picking target at any range

And you end up with hybrid dmg profile

With arguably 0 investment on the ranged side

I think the closest thing you can compare to would be dbs. Except dbs is worse at range

[dry cloak]

Laspistol is nice with ws

[wanton dawn]

Laspistol arguably benefit more from ws ranged. Plasma is better easier at activating melee though

Plasma is also great to abuse agile engagement

But again, the main advantage is the 0 investment part

[dry cloak]

My loadout for ws now is Dc7 laspitol and kraks

[wanton dawn]

Am trying dbs and ps6

[dry cloak]

Also good combo

[fervent hemlock]

Ranged crit damage or ranged weak spot damage?

[pseudo fiber]

Neither

[grand perch]

Dead stats

[tropic halo]

rare sight of people actually chatting

[dapper plank]

the worst possible damnation maelstrom equal to what havoc? ?

i've only done h20, way easier then damnation maelstrom

[tropic halo]

I dont think it is even that close

[tame lodge]

A couple more bosses on Havoc

So 3veg but not weakened

Ranged enemies are shooting more

Nurgle blessing adjacent

So 3 veg

More specialist spawns on havoc

3veg has special waves

[crisp oak]

The worst is probably 30

[tame lodge]

Havoc stagger threshold is also high

[crisp oak]

Malleus monstrum

[tame lodge]

And 3veg Nurgle blessing makes enemies hard to stagger

[crisp oak]

And like vent purge

And nurgle blessed

[dapper plank]

is there a diff between high intensity shock troop damnation, and the same thing in the auric area?

or a big diff?

[vernal trench]

Generally 20-25

Its nowhere near 30

[crisp oak]

Could see nurgle blessed with extra monsters being that

(30)

[vernal trench]

Thats nowhere close to 30

They die almost instantly anyway in maelstroms even blessed

No ammo pick up is closer a bit to 30 but still not close

[crisp oak]

Oh yeah forgot about ammo

[vernal trench]

No ammo has pretty much the amount of armored elites u see in armored spawns in a 40

So its not even anything special plus they get less health

[crisp oak]

My last no ammo was almost exclusively reapers and snipers

With a side of bulwarks

thanks fatshark

[tame lodge]

Auric director is less merciful
It'll probably spawn waves of specialist more often

Maybe less ammo or health thingies as well

[vernal trench]

Idk it feels like the same amount of specialists

[tame lodge]

I mean
I don't keep score

But imagine that one Simpsons scene where Moe throws Barney out of the bar

Now set everything on fire

[vernal trench]

Wdym

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/moe-and-barney-gif-1906520640494690925

I killed a bomber just to see another turning around the corner

[gleaming adder]

is shock maul good on vet?

[serene bough]

Shock maul is mid

[tame lodge]

It's a decent low investment weapon with boss problems

10/10 would play it

[light ridge]

Like shock maul but it lacks punch against Ogryns and Bosses

[thorn lark]

If you use a a bolter why not

[remote sonnet]

One of them has heavy attack overhead only, it was one of my to go in "mostly Scab melee" Maelstrom modifier. It bonks the ogryn very well.

[tame lodge]

Probably Muni one

[grand perch]

when your mate joins up for havoc 40 with this build and claims he isnt taking the piss

recon + knife. 2 stam curios cause deadshot obviously

[hollow ibex]

[tropic halo]

Never let them cook

[iron silo]

certified Piss Purloiner

[supple laurel]

the "fuck my team build" ultra deluxe edition

[hollow ibex]

I just realized they skipped O4B

[grand perch]

unironically he says its a team build cause hes the stealth ambulance and smoker

[hollow ibex]

And only dipped into the center bottom to grab suppression

Jfc

[grand perch]

and its legit the worst build ive ever seen i think

[hollow ibex]

Dude needs to go back to heresy and learn the game

And two points to grab crit on reload

It keeps getting worse the more I look

[wanton dawn]

Looks like advanced trolling

I see purpose on these bad choices

[gleaming adder]

Never let bro cook again

"let him cook" and bro gives you this

[tall torrent]

I can show u worse

[faint beacon]

Deliberately avoids middle and left

holy based

[pseudo fiber]

They took yhe +25 toughness tho

What is the worst build you could make spending 30 points

But you have to pick a blitz, Aura and ability

[grand perch]

still has trench fighter

could be worse!

get exploit weakness in this bad boy

[tame lodge]

Path through longshot into smokes, then all the way to Exe stance, no modifiers, then path all the way to Skirmisher

And uh

Idk

Ooh Inspiring Presence as well

Through the suppression node

On a weapon with low suppression value

[severe gale]

tbf exec with no modifiers isn’t really bad since relentless is innate now

[tame lodge]

The alternative are revive shout or just infiltrate

Still doing something for the team

Or 8secs of invisibility

Well it does have 45 seconds cd

[iron silo]

so close 😦

[tall torrent]

this is fine

as long as it gets 8 consecutive shots

[iron silo]

I was told you need 69% TR for that 🤔

[austere prairie]

This is peak wdym

[tall torrent]

its 68.?%
so the safer recommendation is 69%

yes decimals are a thing

even though not shown

[iron silo]

welp

would have been nice to know that before I scrapped it

back to the grind

[grand perch]

ofc you want thermal 69 cause thats the funny number

[light ridge]

Go down, wondering why everyone is struggling with one crusher, switch to Zealot throwing knives at a Crusher...

[hollow ibex]

Plink Plink plink

[light ridge]

While holding a DS4...

[narrow frost]

I mean

you can 1 shot crushers with Tknives

[light ridge]

Not this guy though...

[narrow frost]

but not that guy

yeah

[light ridge]

now watching a bolter vet walk passed a sniper, 2m from him in plain sight

[vernal trench]

lmfao it was all good until i saw marksman focus

[thorn lark]

What blessings and perks do you use with your vigilant ag?

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/perception-check-tom-cardy-dnd-d%26d-nat-20-gif-743814158884523264

[light ridge]

This was by far the saddest run I've had in a while...

[thorn lark]

With surgical and hand cannon you can do a lot of DMG but one shotting?

[narrow frost]

yes

one sec

[light ridge]

Got burstered twice because the guys in front don't know how to push, then two of us get netted and the zealot just keeps killing

Until he can kill no more because he doesn't know how to push a burster

[thorn lark]

Damn... Console player?

[narrow frost]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1325968684128403519/Darktide_2024.09.25-18.52.mp4?ex=67ab33d1&is=67a9e251&hm=6f014935c23dc7f6b17dd3e8fc6f802497c009cdd1f58e5912b7b1d3084342cc&

[light ridge]

No idea...

[narrow frost]

3600

[thorn lark]

Holy. You had carapace and elite on that gun?

[narrow frost]

idk

thats @slow sky

[thorn lark]

I know

He proced duellist

[narrow frost]

it might have cara

probably not elite

[thorn lark]

Yeah. Cara + duellist should be enough to destroy that crusher.

[charred pulsar]

Finally beat havoc40 but I don't feel good what's going on

[terse idol]

Throwing knife funni

[vernal trench]

u didnt beat it hard enough

[charred pulsar]

Feels weird, like when you finish a series and have nothing to do

[tame lodge]

It's like

[terse idol]

Is that getting affected by surgical and cara?

[tame lodge]

A carefully played out victory

[thorn lark]

Time to start one piece then

[terse idol]

Or errm deadly accurate?

[dapper plank]

is smoke greande ever actually GOOD? other then some meme speedrun challenges

[tame lodge]

Probably hand Cannon

60 % rending knife

[narrow frost]

duelist, surgical, hand cannon + whatever perks on the gun

[tame lodge]

Because

[terse idol]

Its even okay for havoc 40s

[dapper plank]

my last experience with smoke grenade is that i could not see anything from where i stood

[charred pulsar]

Actually no, it doesn't feel like this, I feel empty but not in that way

[thorn lark]

Tknives are affected by the blessings and perks of the equipped weapon

[tame lodge]

You stand inside the smoke

[terse idol]

Well you gotta put the smoke ontop of your team

[tame lodge]

You're immortal*

[thorn lark]

He probably had anoint too

[dapper plank]

someone else were throwing smoke and i had to actively move out of it to do anything

[terse idol]

I mean

Its like a trade off

[vernal trench]

beat havoc 50

[narrow frost]

no

[terse idol]

You could throw it in between you and the enemy or ontop of your team

[narrow frost]

look at buff bar

[dapper plank]

what happens inside smoke if specials and disablers come, wich they are constantly.

[terse idol]

They get confused

Tracking

[narrow frost]

[terse idol]

Trappers get confused in the smoke

[narrow frost]

wait

[terse idol]

Same as dogs

[narrow frost]

Idk if path put it in the guide yet

[dapper plank]

and do ranged units move into the smoke, or just stand where they are, and increase in numbers?

[terse idol]

Ranged units will try to move past the smoke or sometimes they just kinda stand there not shooting the smoke

If they're already shooting iirc they'll shoot at your last known location

It blocks snipers too

Who lose tracking

[tame lodge]

Dogs and flamers will not attack if you're inside the smoke
Trappers will have to hug you before shooting

[charred pulsar]

Imagine if smokes were more of a big colateral effect area, or does it work like that already?

[thorn lark]

You're right. He waited for the 15 stacks of IJ too. So duellist, surgical, hand cannon and IJ. You would probably have to take anoint on a BP build tho.

[terse idol]

Smokes are a big area

[narrow frost]

Thanks path

[tame lodge]

Toxic gas also has the same concealing effect

But well

[terse idol]

What happens if the players and the enemies aren't in the smoke but it's blocking los

[tame lodge]

It's toxic gas

Stay away from it

[terse idol]

You don't gain the benefits of concealed I'm guessing

[tall torrent]

U get shot

[terse idol]

Is it purely reliant on the concealment buff?

[faint beacon]

Surgical/Headhunter + Deadly Accurate

Maniac + Elite

[terse idol]

visual effects are purely cosmetic

I swear i threw smokes towards snipers and it liked

Blocked for the team

[thorn lark]

I wonder: if you kept just one bullet in your crucian + hand cannon, would you have a high crit base for your knives

[terse idol]

Without people actually inside the smoke

[thorn lark]

That's on the 2 or 3 burst HH?

[light ridge]

Trying Mk1 shovel again
I'm learning that I struggle with weapons that use heavies for horde clear...

[narrow frost]

it doesnt use heavies for horde clear

[tame lodge]

If we assume that the smoke is interpreted as a "wall" by the enemies then they would move around trying to get LoS

But needs a good amount of testing

And we'll end up chanting get inside the smoke

Because that's more reliable

[eager osprey]

is all 80% possible?

[thorn lark]

No

76 is perfectly balanced tho

[eager osprey]

so in a chainsword it should be 60 mobility?

[thorn lark]

Yes

[eager osprey]

so all 76% stats is possible?

[faint beacon]

2

[light ridge]

But 70+ gives 5 dodges

It's why I keep using my imperfect XIIIg

[tall torrent]

51 and higher

[light ridge]

Really?

[eager osprey]

This is fine?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[tall torrent]

Distribution is fine
Perks and blessings are horrendous

[eager osprey]

yes, I just got that and entreated it, I'm still level 9 mastery so I didn't bother upgrading it yet.

[tropic halo]

Maybe switch to bleeding stack after special attack?

[tall torrent]

But then again it’s a chainsword so I don’t have too many good things to say about it

[light ridge]

Need to check again then, there was a reason I liked the 70% mobility

[eager osprey]

is this also fine?

as long as the worst stat is mobility?

I mix dodge and block so I don't really rely 100% on dodges

[tame lodge]

Chain Axe worst stat is defences

[eager osprey]

Ok, so general rule of thumb is melee weapon = 80 all stats except mobility?

[tame lodge]

Unless the melee weapon has defences, then defences should be 60%

[narrow frost]

some weapons are different

but they are few

PSword dumping cleave targets

[tall torrent]

Chainaxes dump defences

[thorn lark]

Considering how horrendous the mobility on the chaxe is yeah... Don't dump it

[hearty panther]

i recommend even splitting mobility and defences, or if you normally dump mobility anyway, then dump it

on the chaxe12 specifically anyway

if you arent taking advantage of that push attack then dont bother with the entire mark tbh

[thorn lark]

I have been insulted here for having that argument not so long ago

[tame lodge]

Times change

[light ridge]

What are the heavies for on mk1?

[narrow frost]

Stagger

best for mixed horde

but horde clear is faster with lights

If you want to use a combo

Heavy light

is the best horde clear

[light ridge]

Thanks
What about heavies on mk3, I never seem to use them, only folded heavy

[narrow frost]

I only use mk1

[dapper plank]

yeah, but i think that is way more rare then 60/80/80/80/80

[tame lodge]

We don't really use mk3 around here

[wanton dawn]

The shovel ?

I tried it a bit this week-end

I just spam m1 cuz cleave is stoopid and decimator stack fast. Heavy with folded i guess.

[tame lodge]

Mk3 is like anti armor specialist or something

[wanton dawn]

Am not a good shovel player

[light ridge]

I prefer Mk3 over Mk7, light works well for killing chaf
Heavy special is accurate

[terse idol]

Mk1 shovel is just

Heavy spam on hordes

Uncanny, skull smasher

[wanton dawn]

Then i went back to ps6 cuz i like having dmg on boss

[terse idol]

(Hotshot on hebore)

[light ridge]

My recon takes care of bosses

[terse idol]

My learning

I thought the best combo vs hordes was heavy spammin

[tall torrent]

Vs dense hordes yes

[terse idol]

Oh so for mixed hordes its mixed heavies and lights?

[light ridge]

Mk1 Decimator or Skullcrusher to go with Uncanny?

[hollow ibex]

Skullcrusher imo

deci is a fucking pain

[hearty panther]

deci skullcrusher is maximum funnies

[orchid hemlock]

https://youtube.com/shorts/z-lisATX-pA?si=buxJuf_oudWiF_uS

[hearty panther]

uncanny i only take if i have shredder grenades

[light ridge]

I always have shredders...

[supple laurel]

i take shredders or kraks depending on the build

[crisp oak]

I miss when krak spam could onetap a captain

[dapper plank]

i have never taken shredders, but i always take uncanny

[hearty panther]

on standard shovel it's not that much of a benefit

already had good damage against everything that isnt carapace, and you have much better options to counter carapace than an uncanny shovel

the pokey shovels are different of course

[inner temple]

Shredder on stealth is fun

[wanton dawn]

DBS is h40 viable, noice

I am not viable with it though

yet

[sharp epoch]

double barrel shtogun??

[wanton dawn]

ye

[sharp epoch]

i dont think its viable unless u got some other person on the team good at killing specialist long range

[hollow ibex]

Are you watching chocobs video lol

[wanton dawn]

Well, I don't say it is viable unless I have actually won a game with it

[sharp epoch]

you can take anything if your teammates can carry u mostly

[wanton dawn]

True, I love getting carried

[sharp epoch]

like I had a vet with bolt pistol and knife on a havoc 40

😬

[wanton dawn]

Boltpistol is viable in h40 too though

[sharp epoch]

and laspistol catachan was another

[wanton dawn]

knife as well, though ds4 is usually the preferred option for this kind of gameplay

laspistol catachan is less common

[sharp epoch]

it just gets gapped by other weapons/builds though

and doesn't really add much to the team

chorus zealot has less damage but its actually useful to keep enemies stunlocked and have corruption regen

[wanton dawn]

I play tag plasma, tag bolter, ws plasma and now ws dbs

[latent parcel]

Nah just tag plasma. Don't lie!

[faint beacon]

Tag in general is good for your team even if you’re not focusing damage

[wanton dawn]

I prefer bolter tag

DBS is a nice change of pace though'

[hollow ibex]

ES DBS would be quite funny

[wanton dawn]

mmmhhh

Lemme check

[meager quarry]

returning to say that I've used this build and it's awesome, helped me a lot

thank you!

now I'll aim for that juicy 500 bolter and 500 chainsword

[wanton dawn]

I could try smth like this. Dunno about grenade choice though

Can go any of the 3 anyway

Shredder probably not good cuz you grabbing the 60s regen is costly

[hollow ibex]

Oof 3 points for AE

But AE is very good...

[gentle yoke]

Finally maxed out all my penances. Trying to get good at damnation aurics rn. Helbore is hard to master

[wanton dawn]

The 10% melee damage is not lost either. Though yes, it cost a lot

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I might try a DB ES build for shits and gigglez

[wanton dawn]

Probably use kraks over frags

[hollow ibex]

Helbore def takes some adjusting to yeah

[hollow ibex]

Yeah might be better given DB

[gentle yoke]

I love the thing but with all my points into damaging stuff I feel slow a lot of the time

[wanton dawn]

and maybe replace 30% weakspot with tinkerer if you take kraks

Otherwise I dunno if you can actually kill

[hollow ibex]

Yeah idk havoc breakpoints at all lol

[rustic beacon]

Nice, great to hear!

[summer lance]

@stable talon sorry, didn't know what else to tell you about leveling, its really just a slough through quickplay man :(

[fiery raft]

what would a bolt pistol build look like?

and a revolver one

and how would they compare?

im choosing between

[formal ice]

Revolver crit

Bolt uhhhhh bleed?

[fiery raft]

how do they build?

[formal ice]

Well uhhh...

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-bye-disappear-good-bye-gif-17598781

[fiery raft]

[tame lodge]

Zarona>>>>>>

It's just that good

However

Bolt pistol is more akin to a side grade

[inner temple]

Simple trust. 4 rounds and they slide right in the cylinder. Ez

[fiery raft]

why's that?

[inner temple]

Because its bolter rounds what you expect a 8 round cylinder?

[fiery raft]

no i mean why is boltie a sidegrade

[inner temple]

Gonna have a cylinder extender hah. O because it a side piece

I jest too much

[terse idol]

Bolt pistol is typically built for lethal proximity

And puncture

For a grenadier build

Since lethal proximity increases the radius of shredder grenades

Puncture itself is to help for break points

Puncture or run and gun

Take shredder grenades, tinkerer, the 60s free grenade

Twinned blast for memes

And demolition team for a chance to make more grenades

[pallid jetty]

just checked the stagger on tac axe special

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

stunlocks all ragers and bulwarks

no stunlock but possibility of stagger on maulers and crushers

the most useless against reapers

[tall torrent]

Slower draw to fire
Worse 1 tap breakpoints
Worse crit chance
Worse cleave
Worse firerate
Worse recoil

[fiery raft]

i see

what abt revolver?

how would one build that if bolt pistol is just bomba pistol?

[tall torrent]

Unarmored/elite
maniac
point blank
Run&gun

[fiery raft]

what would using it be like?

i assume its not a hordeclear wep

[terse idol]

Gotta run it with like always prepared in a weapons specialist build

Shoot all high prior enemiess

Constantly gain bullets back in your revolverr

By melee

[hollow ibex]

Join the tax axe cult

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1320852161265143878/axe.mp4?ex=67abb46f&is=67aa62ef&hm=1e23d0bd6722c28fb9854ef678291c9bfe9681f0818d3fa9e999760ffc8a39e6&

[fiery raft]

oh that seems pretty fun

what's the talent tree look like?

i'd like to try it

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/984525651904176209/1327912507150565436/IMG_2005.png?ex=67abaea5&is=67aa5d25&hm=27043a2dc2105334bb8896b2c612d860548079265f97d9b8aed51c97904c67e4&

[fiery raft]

alright, thanks

i appreciate

u

[burnt vortex]

There any weapons that go from mid to amazing with weapon specialist?

[pallid jetty]

imagine having increased melee speed with melee weapon

[hollow ibex]

Double Barrel

[pallid jetty]

oh if ranged then yeah, double barrel is the only one i guess

[hollow ibex]

Try mk 4 taxe with martyrdom

[burnt vortex]

Does the db actually hit break points with ws? Seems to be the massive problem with it as well as the effective distance

[hollow ibex]

Guaranteed crit is good for dealing with distant specialists

And also shredding hordes

Breakpoints aren't a huge concern on DB imo

[burnt vortex]

Double barrel it is

[fiery raft]

how fun is db in this revolver build im doing?

if i replaced revolver with db

[hollow ibex]

Just remember you'll still need to be shooting at stuff from point blank besides squishy specialists

[hollow ibex]

It'd work just fine. Make sure you take always prepared for both guns

[pallid jetty]

0 ammo in shotgun - kill 1 fentanyl hobo with your melee - draw shotgun - 1 shell appears

[burnt vortex]

The Emperor provides

[hollow ibex]

Psykers aren't the only ones with warp powers

[pallid jetty]

actual fucking magick

but its one of the most sick combos in the game

[fiery raft]

what would be a good melee to use?

im assuming most

but what do you guys recommend

[pallid jetty]

Veteran: kills 1 fentanyl hobo in melee while having no ammo in the gun
Little ratlings in his pocket: **YEP, HE GOT THE KILL BOOOYS!!! **put 1 singular shell in his gun

[hollow ibex]

Rashad is the default pick that does everything well

[pallid jetty]

tac axe, knives

combat axe i guess

chain sword i think

anything some-what fast

[burnt vortex]

I'm gonna try knoife. Go full cod gremlin

[fiery raft]

i was thinking nife

mainly because im trying to get used to using it

along with mastery

[pallid jetty]

cool thing to master - make use of fist-light 1 spam on the pointy knife

cant really spam this on green knife but its still useful

with the colorless you can go full Michael Myers mode

[calm shard]

tac axe isn't really that great on veteran I thought

[faint beacon]

its useable and can be fun

you just lack carapace options

[pallid jetty]

you just need to spam attacks

it doesnt have any big hits

then its good

works good with brittleness on crit weakspot hits perk also

[faint beacon]

Pretty much

if you can combo your hits extremely well its great, also Exploit Weakness is not worth it on Taxe tragically

ask Ainz

he loves using Taxe on Vet and I even asked to confirm if it was even worth it

[hollow ibex]

You can still get around 1k dps against crusher

[faint beacon]

20% is just not enough

[hollow ibex]

It's not tragic

[pallid jetty]

its for teammates

overall dps of your team is gonna increase

[hollow ibex]

Nah fuck the team

[faint beacon]

Exactly

LMAO

Honestly I'd rather go down the Rending Strikes path mainly cause of FT and obviously everything else there is just generally a more solid pick instead of Exploit

but obviously TFD is pretty tasty on Taxe

[pallid jetty]

FT

TFD

SKIBIDI

RIZZ

the hell is ft and tfd

[faint beacon]

Focus Target Keystone

[pallid jetty]

now thats better

[faint beacon]

Trench Fighter Drill (10%+ Melee Speed)

[pallid jetty]

keep it this way

[faint beacon]

Im still abbreviating it

🚬

[pallid jetty]

dont

[hollow ibex]

Trench fighter + 15 percent attack speed from WS

Still not as funny as martyrdom but pretty good

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah WS is pretty nice on Taxe also

[pallid jetty]

playing on my nerves on purpose

morons

[frank basin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/Z9i1RDUJ5s

Hmmmm

[hollow ibex]

I don't think OP understands the meme template

Well better than some memes I've seen with that template at least

[pallid jetty]

no, he doesnt understand how weapons are banalced in the game

[frank basin]

Should it switch “nooo boltgun bad” to low iq-jak, “Boltgun best” to average iq-jak?

Or swap to the high iq-jak????

[hollow ibex]

Average IQ should prob be saying something like: noooo there is no best weapon in the game

[midnight totem]

you know whats the toughest challenge in the game?

weekly six runs with nobody on the team dying

(with pubs)

[shadow dagger]

the toughest challenge is easily doing the 16 book challenge without thinking about rerolling it at all

this feels about right outside of missing one motion + tac reload but iunno what to drop to squeeze out the points i need

i can probably drop desperado but what else

am i missing a breakpoint actually

i cant tell

[terse idol]

taxe?

[pallid jetty]

tactical axe

[terse idol]

no yeah, I just thought it was pretty bad

Considering the rashad exists

[pallid jetty]

skill issue

[terse idol]

what skill

It's just bad

[faint beacon]

You're basically comparing a Nuke to a Bunker Buster

Taxe is pretty good over all just lacks carapace obviouly

and then there's rashad

it just kills everything

[hollow ibex]

Yeah taxe is just fun

[fervent hemlock]

bruh

doing some of these penances is trash

[hollow ibex]

i just ignore penances

[fervent hemlock]

i can't

my ocd+autism demands i have 60/60 veteran

[pallid jetty]

just 60/60 veteran...

from hard ones that are left for me - twins kill with no grenades bombing and in 5 seconds simultanius kill

true survivor also

and others are just grind - auric 250 missions, 50 operations, missions in the void

and that will be it

[vernal trench]

Grinding penance is such a sad thing to do

[normal sparrow]

1.5k reaper?

[pallid jetty]

done with all ogryn penances during the first days of the ogryn event

[normal sparrow]

Damn
Still need 400 reaper

[pallid jetty]

could care less about it to be honest

they appear pretty frequently on normal aurics

[vernal trench]

The bulwarks too me weeks longer to do than reapers

[pallid jetty]

also...

[vernal trench]

Im like 700k away

[normal sparrow]

Its like 5 kills per auric mission for me unless im specifically targetting them
Just need vent purge marlstorm

[vernal trench]

U get 5 stacked on top of each other constantly on reaper spawns in havics

Sometimes u see like 10 of them at once

[normal sparrow]

I hate it when they nerf the portrait to 500k kills
Ive got like 950k at that point, achievement denied

[pallid jetty]

well, the poxbreaker makes up for it

i like it even more tbh

[vernal trench]

More insignias would be cool

[dapper plank]

Dumpstat for plasma gun?

[vernal trench]

None

Its a weird stat if u want the perfect roll

[calm shard]

man if only there was some guy we could ping to figure it out

[vernal trench]

There isnt

Give up

[dapper plank]

i have 3 atm, 60 thermal, 60 ammo, 60 stopping power.

ammo is never an issue for me so maybe ammo dumpstat

[calm shard]

@tired egret

[vernal trench]

Theres ur answer

[shadow dagger]

i dont remember needing to use bring it down to two tap crushers with psword

did something change or am i misremembering

[vernal trench]

U dont

[dapper plank]

ew, why not 70/70 :[

[vernal trench]

Push attack

[calm shard]

69 thermal resistance gives you the max amount of shots, and charge rate is your fire rate

[shadow dagger]

i... yeah that was the assumption

[vernal trench]

Why not 80 on both?

[vernal trench]

Ur prolly not aiming at the right spot

[calm shard]

because everything else affects your damage

[vernal trench]

Its top left of his head

[calm shard]

you're not gonna dump ammo because it's your ammo

or damage because you need that damage to hit breakpoints

[shadow dagger]

wgat

[calm shard]

and stopping power is armor pen which is also needed

[vernal trench]

Is there no mobility stat on plasma gun?

[shadow dagger]

[calm shard]

nope

[shadow dagger]

bodyshot crit is orange

[vernal trench]

F

[shadow dagger]

both of the numbers on the screenshot are yellow

and heads dont have even smaller headshot sections for bonus damage

[vernal trench]

Idk why u cant 2 shot them

But i can and i dont even have the elite damage node

Sp u must be doing something wrong

[shadow dagger]

@tall torrent hello mister guide person

i hope youre awake

[vernal trench]

Send a video of u killing the crusher

[vernal trench]

Oh u dont have 25% carapace tjats why

[calm jolt]

Idk if I should switch

Sry for goofy font

Had to translate alat

[vernal trench]

Dump cleave target for powersword

[unreal nova]

Dump mobility for DC.

[calm jolt]

Idk about this one too tho

[calm jolt]

Huh

I dont think I have it

Oh I do

I need to watch some guides,idk tf I'm even doing

Too many perks, buffs and other stuff

[vernal trench]

Yea

[calm jolt]

Today I found out that its more comfortable for me to use BAYONET on lasgun than using devil's claw

ultimate solution xD

[vernal trench]

Hellbore bayonet is pretty op

[calm jolt]

1 punching mutant

[hollow ibex]

helbore mk iv says hello

[calm jolt]

Its not even fully upgraded damn

[calm jolt]

Who th even use it

It sucks in all aspects

[hollow ibex]

it's the only helbore i use

[tall torrent]

whats up

[vernal trench]

Thsts what i use lmao i never use the bash

[calm jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-you-need-jesus-thats-what-you-need-gif-11003249

[hollow ibex]

jesus? sounds like a heretic

[vernal trench]

U can 1 tap reapers and 1 tap crushers with the right build

[calm jolt]

If u manage to charge it in time

Very limited use imo

[vernal trench]

Consistently if i have to

I use it with exec stance and mf

[calm jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1142557283843313814/1309857242861932654/togif-1.gif

[vernal trench]

Ur survivability is shit but its probably the highest damage build out of anything

I dont use it much or at all cuz i dont trust my team enough in random games

[dapper plank]

waaaaait, plasma gun just vents when you shoot normally at 90+%.... wtf is the point of 80 thermal resist then

[calm jolt]

What's the point of nurgle btw

[vernal trench]

U shoot more shots

[vernal trench]

What

[orchid hemlock]

HAHAHAHA

[dapper plank]

barely, maybe 1 more shot until you go 2 shots per ''minor discharge''

[calm jolt]

Im sorry my brain melts

[shadow dagger]

because it gives a really nasty vent animation that isnt as fast or safe as just manually venting

[calm jolt]

I wanted to ask about zealot

[shadow dagger]

also i think if you do it too much you blow up? but i honestly have no idea how you explode w plasma its never happened to me before

ive never blown up with plasma because i actually have trigger discipline

[dapper plank]

seems perfectly safe, and pretty much as slow/fast as a reload, if you count 5 of the small cooldowns

[vernal trench]

Yea

[shadow dagger]

#veteran-class message from here onwards

tldr psword not 2tapping with elite and no bring it down

i remember it doing so before but idr

[vernal trench]

U need carapace and elite damage

U dont even need bring it down or superiority complex

[tall torrent]

do u have superiority complex

[tall torrent]

nah carapace is not required

[shadow dagger]

i posted the lower half of my build a bit further down from where i linked i think

[shadow dagger]

buhh

[vernal trench]

It wont be enough damage if u dont got superiority or bring it down tho

[grand perch]

I do

https://youtu.be/LF7nbK2mI9g?si=zNaGNH5fM7WVHSPQ

[dapper plank]

wich power sword is reccomended

[calm shard]

the Mk VI

[vernal trench]

Exec stance hellbore has potential to hit 1.6 or 1.8 mil

On a perfect game

[tall torrent]

yea u should have either of these of 10% melee atk up top normally anyway

if u don't then u messed up somewhere

[vernal trench]

Yea normally

My build doesnt have points for it so i bring carapace and elite damage for my ps

That guy had superiority tho and hes barely missing damage to 2 shot a crusher

[tall torrent]

if it's superiority complex only, might not be enough
but then again u prob would grab desperado if u don't have BID so it should be just enough

[vernal trench]

Idk if he has that

He sent his lower half of the build tho

Na he has desperado too

If he replaves elite damage with carapace he can 2 shot crushers

[shadow dagger]

top half if necessary

[vernal trench]

It wont affect damage from top half

Switch out 10% elite damage for 25% carapace and ull be able to 2 shot a crusher

[shadow dagger]

yeah i heard that

unfortunately carapace only works on like what

2 enemy types across the board?

[frank basin]

Scab rager

The torso only

[vernal trench]

Yea

Depends on what mode u play ig

The higher difficulties are gonna be filled with carapace so its a good choice bringing it

[tall torrent]

it's fine, go for carapace then

u can pretty safely drop maniac

[vernal trench]

They die in 3 hits even in havoc 40 so it doesnt reallt make a difference tbh

3 swings

[frank basin]

@tall torrent what’s your experience on Brutes Conscripts?

[shadow dagger]

no beasts of nurgle

10/10 event

[vernal trench]

Are brute conscripts gone after the event?

[frank basin]

About to

Take time for it

[vernal trench]

I thought the event was just to kick off brute conscripts

[frank basin]

I already collected dia and plas

[tall torrent]

why

[vernal trench]

He wants to know

[frank basin]

Is more of reviews

‘How you feel about playing the x’

That