veteran-class

[vernal trench]

Zealot u got until death

[soft trellis]

Called it

[vernal trench]

Ur gonna end up on 2 hp anyway

Or 1

[unreal nova]

Won't die but go down.

[soft trellis]

1 if corruption does all the damage

[steep flower]

Weaves were an unbalanced mess

[vernal trench]

U wont even go down with until death

U just tank it

[soft trellis]

Maybe, but, havoc just feels like a better balanced version of them...

[steep flower]

At the end ones you would be 1 shot

[unreal nova]

Naw. Just a third of my bar.

[steep flower]

Because it is

[unreal nova]

I would just purify it via aura.

[vernal trench]

Idk what u mean by tanking overheads i gotta see a demonstration to understand it

[soft trellis]

and even tho it is better balanced... it still feels like weaves for me... and weaves weren't fun for me(even if you had them perfectly balanced)

[unreal nova]

Ask Chaos for like last week or so H40.

[vernal trench]

Idk who chaos is man

[soft trellis]

agentchaos

[visual badge]

is this a decent build for vigilant autogun

I can oneshot gunners in head

[vernal trench]

Still dont know who that is

[visual badge]

but maybe feels like I can optimize this a bit more

[unreal nova]

I just panic 2 hp for awhile till medikit.

[steep flower]

In havoc 40 you need maximum def buffs to tank an overhead; othervise you die like any other char

[vernal trench]

For ogryn?

[steep flower]

Yeah

[vernal trench]

Dont u down

And not die

[soft trellis]

#veteran-class message

[vernal trench]

At most

Ive seen him talk once or twice

Idk who he is tho

[soft trellis]

I don't know how they are, per say, but I have seen the name enough to know who they were talking about

[steep flower]

With 6 stack of delight in destruction i was left with like 70~ hp out of ~ 220 + 166 toughness

Don’t forget feel no pain stacks

[vernal trench]

Thats pretty good

[soft trellis]

I knew it, I've had the least messages here of all 4 class channels lol

I have 3k in oggy and psyker

only 2.6k iirc here

[steep flower]

And heavyweight perk for 30% dmg reduction from crushers

[vernal trench]

I just chat here when im bored

[vernal trench]

Did u do ur 40 last night btw

[soft trellis]

Meanwhile, in zealot...

[visual badge]

I feel like you guys need to get off discord sometime

[unreal nova]

I enter Zealot by mistapping on phone.

[supple laurel]

Eating shit from an overhead is a classic first death in havoc

[visual badge]

do you guys even play the game

[soft trellis]

I spend time with my wife, watch youtube, and sleep... and work... :/

[unreal nova]

Since middle of vet and psyker.

[soft trellis]

Not as much as I used to

[supple laurel]

I know this because my first death was from an overhead in like havoc 30 something

[steep flower]

Yeah but i would like to play more; played with zealot with no until death; went down first, ending true survivor attempt

[soft trellis]

Only have 1915 hours in darktide, just not as motivated to play as I used to be

[vernal trench]

Lmfao lemme see the scoreboard i gottw see this

[visual badge]

only 2K brother

[vernal trench]

600 for me

300 since havoc came out

[soft trellis]

Meanwhile, for ror2...

[supple laurel]

I got 300 total hours 🗿

[steep flower]

Its always nice to hear 1 crusher and then another emerges from behind him silently doing the same overhead animation (that happened btw)

[unreal nova]

I never die/down unless last one alive. Too paranoid and trying to cockroach for TS.

[vernal trench]

I love it when i get overheaded by a mauler through a bulwark

[steep flower]

[soft trellis]

[steep flower]

Wojak mauler; gogetter mauler

[unreal nova]

I mean, I panic hearing the revs, even with Syllo carrying on psyker.

[steep flower]

[soft trellis]

I haven't died in havoc yet because I've only played 1 run of it... and only the psyker went down that havoc 16 run due to blowing up

[vernal trench]

Yea u should play with papa willy

[steep flower]

We gotta play one day ye

[vernal trench]

Hes gonna be revving his chainaxe all game

[steep flower]

I wanna scare ya with mah chainaxe revving

[supple laurel]

BRO😭

[unreal nova]

Meanie, you are all meanies.

[soft trellis]

I'll probably die on like havoc 20 something due to poor teammates if I ever play havoc again lol

[vernal trench]

I played with a psyker earlier

Holy shit he was strugglign the whole half game

[supple laurel]

Real

[vernal trench]

Before we wiped cuz i got overheaded by a ninja crusher from the back

[unreal nova]

Why do you think I keep looking back and if you hear an eep, there's a pack somewhere behind us.

[vernal trench]

The thing is there was nothing there when we dropped off

I had no idea where he came from

He appeared out of thin air

Lmfao

[steep flower]

Ninjagryn

[vernal trench]

love them

Comes outta nowhere

[steep flower]

If you use party finder then yes

[atomic void]

they need to tone down flamer going FIRE DEATH RENEWAL and raise volume for others

[soft trellis]

I know I could get a pro team and roflstomp havoc, if I really wanted to. :/

[vernal trench]

Ur gonna be losing most games on partyfinder on havoc

[soft trellis]

I just don't want to play havoc lol

[vernal trench]

What do u play normally

[steep flower]

Then do et; i’m at your disposal

[soft trellis]

Full randos? heresy or damnation depending on how chill I want it to be. At least 1 competent player? anything

[vernal trench]

Idk havocs made other gamemodes look stupid

I cant even play auric maelstroms theyre so boring

[steep flower]

Not stupid; easy, easier

[vernal trench]

Aside from when i need money i just do it for money

[vernal trench]

Stupid to me especiallt the teamates

I would see like 8 people rotate around the game

Die and leave

Every game

[soft trellis]

Not surprising for auric

[steep flower]

Shame leaving i call it

[soft trellis]

for heresy most of the time they just die and watch me drag through the mud

[vernal trench]

Ragequitting i call it

[soft trellis]

otherwise they don't die and it's super chill

[steep flower]

They stay; thats what you suppose to do not abandon the team like a coward

[unreal nova]

They can come from far behind.

[soft trellis]

I do... The only time I leave a run is by disconnecting by crashing

[vernal trench]

Lmao people rage quitting havoc 40s is the best

[soft trellis]

I'm in it to win

[steep flower]

And then you can akways rejoin

[vernal trench]

Literally so trash at the game they gotta leave it

[soft trellis]

I do

[steep flower]

I did not encounter yet such specimens

I hope i won’t

[soft trellis]

I've never really got the whole rage quitting thing

[rustic beacon]

One guy on my friend list did this once while I was playing with him. Needless to say he is not on my friend list anymore

[steep flower]

They have cotton covered boots

[soft trellis]

I get people do it, but, I am not really a rage quitter

[rustic beacon]

In havoc 40 I mean

[steep flower]

Very silent

[inland orchid]

When so distraught by failure, quitting is always an option

[vernal trench]

Dude i see them every 20 games

[inland orchid]

This is my logic to seeing rage quitters

[vernal trench]

Happeend jist like a couple days ago

We held out so long too with one bot

Guy mustve been pissed he coudlnt start anotther

[steep flower]

Cause you use nob finder

[soft trellis]

Ah. I've gotten to the point that I literally expect nothing from randos, so how can I be distraught by them failing miserbly? I had no faith in them to begin with lol

[unreal nova]

Yep. Sneaky.

[rustic beacon]

Yeah, dying a stupid death is already embarrassing. Why double down and make it so much worse by rage quitting

[inland orchid]

Not that way as in “dang these guys failing got me feeling down”, I’m talkin in their shoes

[unreal nova]

I can understand doing it in normal games after dealing with 2 stealth loner zealots... But H40?

[steep flower]

Now i wanna learn how 2 blender and animate a crusher doing a tippy toe sneaky walk

[inland orchid]

Being the one failing

[soft trellis]

Ah

I've died in malice due to a barrel... and yeah it sucks but oh fucking well

[inland orchid]

Many men would’ve ragequit because of that barrel

[unreal nova]

Happens. Glare at shooter for abit after.

[soft trellis]

I guess I am either stronger willed or dull to the pain lol

besides... barrel deaths can happen on every difficulty lol

[steep flower]

More like at his barrel… from his weapon

[unreal nova]

Could be accident.

[soft trellis]

I got exploded off the map by a flamer tank before lol

[steep flower]

Trapper deaths too

[soft trellis]

Yep

[unreal nova]

Is when they keep doing it...

[inland orchid]

We both have too many hours to take mistakes/consequences to big consideration

So I don’t blame u

[unreal nova]

That would be funny though.

[soft trellis]

besides... I'm in it to win and have fun... rage quitting isn't fun, so fuck rage quitting

[steep flower]

I confess on lower diff since its soo chill and uneventfull i blow barrels and watch ppl fly

Especially if its a zealot with the fanatic voice set

[latent parcel]

you did that to me on a havoc 40

[steep flower]

The ‚alllaaa’ is 2 gud

[steep flower]

It was an acceleration barrel so you could move faster you slug

[latent parcel]

ogryn to fat

[vernal trench]

Dude they flock to me

Every game i find noobs

[steep flower]

I think there was one instance when i blew the barrel and pushed a teammate out of being stuck in crushers

[vernal trench]

Like i recognize most people queuing 40s at this point in eu

[steep flower]

Maybe even many more times; i recall one for sure

[latent parcel]

chonky thats cuz u are a noob

[vernal trench]

Hell yea

Im a fat ass noob

i relish in my noobness

[steep flower]

He aint a noob; hes a bamboozling coward

[latent parcel]

oh true

i get those confused

you shoulda saw him get sniped last night and throwing a game at the end of smelter cuz he thought low profile would work

[vernal trench]

I was half asleep man

It was crazy

[steep flower]

I heard it from Cookie

[vernal trench]

na cookie was dying 50 times lmfao

[latent parcel]

poor cookie had the roughest game on psyker

not even my ogryn could carry that

wait my ogryn sucks

[vernal trench]

I threw that so hard man

[steep flower]

Serious talk tho; low profile does not work when you are the only target

[vernal trench]

Stompt was raging

[latent parcel]

i had to leave the call

no words

[vernal trench]

The sniper was locked onto his downed body i thought it was chill

[vernal trench]

Does it not

I know shooters ignore u

[unreal nova]

@latent parcel You failed. I got my TS carried on a double TS game.

[vernal trench]

Melee will instantly spot u pretty much

Shooters u can stab them and they wont see u

[latent parcel]

hell yeah! whats a double TS game even mean

[steep flower]

No; if you are away from your team and you will be closer to them they will attack you

[unreal nova]

Double True Survivor, both on controllers.

[latent parcel]

Grats!

Now ur offically h40 retired

[steep flower]

Controller turn; how dreadful

[vernal trench]

Damn really

[unreal nova]

My weekly box though.

[steep flower]

Wdym; i wanna see the performance

[unreal nova]

Pifft, we had best carries so...

[vernal trench]

u aint wanna see the 300 ping performance trust

[latent parcel]

Karien was the best carry

[steep flower]

[unreal nova]

Nu. Shush.

[latent parcel]

i heard she put out 1.5mil damage on a book zealot!

[unreal nova]

Nu. Stop lying.

[vernal trench]

Goddamn

That i gotta see

[unreal nova]

Stop listening to him reeeeeeeeeeee

[steep flower]

Impressive; i want her in my team tonight!

[unreal nova]

Reeeeeeeeeeee

[vernal trench]

Just do a duo

[latent parcel]

hell yeah lets all play with karien

[vernal trench]

U guys got it

[steep flower]

In 2h will be home; be ready

[unreal nova]

I blame @latent parcel.

[vernal trench]

karien plays best on 300 ping

[steep flower]

Blame all you want; i will be the one judging

[unreal nova]

I don't.

[vernal trench]

Na stompt aint no godgryn yet

[unreal nova]

Fine, you get bottom barrel heresy player.

[vernal trench]

U cant count on his ogryn

[latent parcel]

ya i wont play ogryn

my ogryn cant carry silly infiltrate vets yet

[vernal trench]

I was half asleep u cant blame me

[steep flower]

He needs to practice more the art of ogrynmancy

[unreal nova]

I play graveyard hours, wdym?

[steep flower]

Excuses are lies we tell all

[vernal trench]

I was playing graveyard hours that game

[vernal trench]

Naw

[unreal nova]

And?

[vernal trench]

i was jumping like a lil desert kangaroo whole game lmfao

[steep flower]

More like a bunny

[vernal trench]

A stupid one

[unreal nova]

Tiny and white?

[latent parcel]

Screw this im going to the ogryn channel where they complain ogryn is to weak

then maybe theyll buff my ogryn

[vernal trench]

Lmfao

Ogryn carries bro

Godgryn does

[umbral grove]

[vernal trench]

That guy that does 1.8 million damage is a legend

True legend

[steep flower]

I had one dude saying ogryn lacks utility

[unreal nova]

GL with that.

[latent parcel]

Karien buff my ogryn

[vernal trench]

Yea they also say u need meta builds for havoc

[steep flower]

Bubble always

Otherwise lose

[terse idol]

I meaaannn

[lyric portal]

bubbel too comfy

[terse idol]

You can't just run annyything

[unreal nova]

I don't work for Obese Megalodon.

[vernal trench]

Yea u can

But with varying levels of success

[terse idol]

Not on the highest havoc

[vernal trench]

Yea u can

[terse idol]

You won't have ammo

[vernal trench]

[vernal trench]

Who needs ammo

[terse idol]

Brother

[steep flower]

Stompa played charge zealot and was good, chonkyvplays infiltrate and is good

[vernal trench]

Just keep dying to reset ur ammo

[unreal nova]

Best I can do is chorus and free crits.

[terse idol]

You can say that about the base game

[vernal trench]

Papa plays ogryn is good

[terse idol]

Havoc is a different beast

[umbral grove]

Do 2 mil damage and become more of a legend

[latent parcel]

my best game was 2 charge zealots 1 infiltrate vet and a taunt ogryn

[vernal trench]

Dude i bet hes done it

[terse idol]

On havoc?

40?

[latent parcel]

ya h40

[umbral grove]

Im telling you to do it lol

[vernal trench]

Stompt makes me sad bro

He shits on me cuz he better than me

[vernal trench]

hell na i aint got no ogryn

[umbral grove]

They should give Ogryn a earthquake stomp that knocks all enemies down

Replace the charge

[terse idol]

Oh taunt gryn for defense

I mean sure

[vernal trench]

Was i in that

[latent parcel]

nah i was the vet

[vernal trench]

Thats crazy

Stompt on infiltrate

U never play that i cant see it

[latent parcel]

that ogryn had no cc

[steep flower]

Like chonky on shroudfield

[latent parcel]

and he cleaned house

[vernal trench]

Lmfao my solid 14 games on zealot

[terse idol]

Damn i wished you had

A recording

How did yall survive the gunners

With no cc

[vernal trench]

Just slide and dont get shot

[latent parcel]

you just charge them with fotf

and i shoot them

[terse idol]

Emperors dying light when-

[steep flower]

You can play with us tonight

And see for yourself

[latent parcel]

my favorite h40 games are no chorus no bubble on ogryn

[terse idol]

Eh naw my havocs not that high

[unreal nova]

Hiss.

Wanna win and go back to heresy reeeeeeeeeeee

[unreal nova]

You haven't done 16?

[umbral grove]

Has anyone?

[vernal trench]

How do u even get those everyone just brings meta ahit

I cant go a single game without a book zealot

[umbral grove]

I've done havoc 20 and that is really where i draw the line

Im just trying to do a havoc 40 and be done with havoc mode forever

[vernal trench]

Havoc is life

[unreal nova]

Ah hah! See. You won't accept my clearly holding an icon with a book zealot.

[vernal trench]

Na ill accept it but i just never get into games with no golden toughness

Like very rarely

its fun but everyone just folds if we do get into those games

I aint soloing the game with a powersword im not that good

[unreal nova]

I'm not going to do much but be free crits, purification, 4 sec damage reduction every 10 secs and chorus.

Not kidding.

[vernal trench]

I mean were all learning stuff

Im still tryna improve

i only really been playing since havoc cane out

[unreal nova]

And panic, loads and loads of panic.

[vernal trench]

Dont play when ur tired cuz the difference is insane lmfao

[unreal nova]

Although less now based on Chaos and Sutv.

[vernal trench]

Just get used to it i mean thats like the only way

[terse idol]

I have 16 cooked

But like, well

[unreal nova]

Yes, panic never goes away. I just show it less.

[terse idol]

Finding a lobby at 16

Yeah not easy

I should try to host

[unreal nova]

I was about to say that lul.

[quartz nymph]

Could I get some feedback on my commisar build?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1fe03c-d097-4022-9abb-df1df723afd0/sebastian-yarrick-but-a-lady-2

[pseudo fiber]

Looks good to me

Maybe precognition over reposte?

[steep flower]

No demoteam

[quartz nymph]

Makes sense. I don't have much crit chance outside of it so it's probably not as beneficial

Also whoops I should add demo team

[latent parcel]

Papawilly doesnt even play vet dont let him fool you

[quartz nymph]

Updated:

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1fe03c-d097-4022-9abb-df1df723afd0/sebastian-yarrick-but-a-lady-2

I'll probably change the dueling sword perks to cara+maniac

[austere pine]

make your own character 😦

why leech off of yarrick

[quartz nymph]

It was just a dumb title lol

[austere pine]

you can be weird and also have warhammer OCs

[steep flower]

Played enough to know whats good

[latent parcel]

[warm bolt]

Cause Yarrick is fucking cool

Up there with Gaunt

[steep flower]

The who

[warm bolt]

You dont know Sebastian Yarrick?

[terse idol]

Would recommend taking 1x sniper res

[umbral grove]

Lol not for me

That shit is for tryhards that have been playing forever and wanted something harder

Im just a casual, auric heresy is my stomping ground

[umbral grove]

I know your mom

She's a nice lady

[vernal trench]

Naw

[latent parcel]

Your playing shout vet until ur good enough for infiltrate now

[formal ice]

What a karker, stealing ork tech

[umbral grove]

I mean it is, past havoc 20 atleast

Havoc 20 wasnt any worse than a auric heresy really

[agile forge]

So I wanna do a crazy vet grenadier build with all grenade synergies

I'm building a bolt pistol for it

[warm bolt]

[agile forge]

so obviously lethal proximity

but what else? Puncture or deadly accuracy maybe?

[vernal trench]

Lmfao i do better on shout vet its just boring

[visual badge]

smoke grenade with all grenade talents

be your own toxbomber

[agile forge]

Execution?

[pseudo fiber]

Puncture for killing gunners

[warm bolt]

Strategically Transporting Equipment to Alternate Locations*

[vernal trench]

U just shower golden urself with shout vet

[warm bolt]

There's only one thief in th army, the rest are trying to make up for whatever he stole

[visual badge]

surgical + deadly accurate and just headshot everything

[agile forge]

I'm doing a gimmick bomb specialist, so I need the radius increase. Whole reason I'm using the bistol

I do like what you are saying but that's not the bistol I'm building today

[steep flower]

Always puncture

[pseudo fiber]

If you're doing bomb build you can do run and gun too

[atomic void]

could be placebo but i like the spread reduction from run n gun

[hearty panther]

not placebo at all

its equivalent to what xstance gives you

[agile forge]

just for more damage while sprinting?

while the bleed ticks

[atomic void]

i took it off yesterday and i was missing everything

[agile forge]

on the other hand, Puncture can add more bleed too. Does the stagger radius inflict bleed too?

[terse idol]

Imo

[pseudo fiber]

Again it let's you hit onetap gunner break points at close range.

[terse idol]

You should play puncture and lp for bistol

[pseudo fiber]

I don't believe so no

[terse idol]

If you're taking surgical you should just use bolter

Or

Revolver with surgical and handcannon (and always prepared)

[agile forge]

Any melee weapons that have particular synergy with a grenade themed build?

Any bugged talents like lethal proximity?

like any shock maul shit?

[terse idol]

DS lines up nicely with your talent choices

Or the knife

Wait not knife

[formal ice]

Demoman uses a sword

Use a sword

[latent parcel]

powersword

rn

[formal ice]

No

[terse idol]

PS sword ew

[formal ice]

Heavy Sword

[odd sparrow]

IIRC no it doesnt

[formal ice]

Make it accurate to Demoman

[vernal trench]

Powersword

[agile forge]

Main weakness will probably be Crushers so there's an annoying point to taking DS4

[terse idol]

The lethal proximity for your grenades
But no, it seems like it's pretty consistant that AOE from guns don't apply dot effects

[agile forge]

power sword is a pain in the arse imo and the grenades eat its lunch a little

[terse idol]

Bistol with puncture does okay vs crushers

[agile forge]

My favourite weapon is the trauma/voidblast staff with blazing spirit so yeah :D

that's probably a quite unique interaction

[errant carbon]

Could take the knoife if the Dueling Sword offends you aesthetically (I know it does for me)

[agile forge]

I like the duelling sword is the thing

it's just I've got it in another loadout that really needs it and I don't like to double up lol

but I'll just suck it up

[normal bay]

Heavy sword IX, my beloved

[terse idol]

Imo

You want trench fighter with the mk6 knife

[errant carbon]

He needs something for Carapace

[terse idol]

The bistol build doesn't go that route

And DS only really needs like repi

[heavy rover]

i like the rashad if you want to avoid knife and duelling sword. Rashad heavies stagger crushers out of their overhead

[terse idol]

Shredder grenades

Ds4

The bistol kills cara

[terse idol]

Rashad is better but still

[errant carbon]

It was sounding like he didn't want to take DS4

[terse idol]

You want trench fighter to smooth it out

[heavy rover]

i don't take trench fighter lol

[terse idol]

Its good!

For rashad

[heavy rover]

i mean I've got it with trench fighter in another build, but my main havoc build doesn't have it

[errant carbon]

+10% Attack Speed is good for literally everything, the only obstacle is talent point cost if you weren't already getting WS

[normal bay]

Grenades and bolt pistol should be enough, no? Unless he's running smokes

[terse idol]

I mean

Some weapons don't need the 10 attack speed

[heavy rover]

yeah, I tend to go for focus target keystone

[errant carbon]

Fine, he was asking for something else against Carapace

[terse idol]

I'd probably argue most because most melee weapons are fast enough

[normal bay]

Oh, missed that bit, my bad

[terse idol]

The weapons that need trench fighter are like pretty slow

And you really have to go out of your way for trench fighter

[agile forge]

Maybe duelling sword is the way but it doesn't feel like the demoman sword without the fury of the faithful charge

[serene bough]

I always grab trench fighter if I can

[agile forge]

I mean, heavy sword

didn't realise how much veteran bolt pistol murders crushers, zealot one isn't quite as punchy

[serene bough]

Theres not really a reason to avoid taking it, all the buffs from recip/ckz down to trench fighter are vital for vet melee efficiency

[agile forge]

Left and middle trees too good though

[serene bough]

You still go middle or left

[agile forge]

if I'm going weapon spec then I take it

not or

and :D

[serene bough]

But the 4 point investment to the right is always worth it imo

[agile forge]

this is probably why I'm not a good veteran

I get too greedy trying to stack all the multipliers together on the left

[serene bough]

I mean if you're talking about essential talents for optimal builds, you take middle down to tac awareness, left for precision strikes, and right for the path down to trench fighter

After that, whether you go further down the trees is dependent on what build you're aiming for

[visual badge]

what melee would you recommend with helbore

rashad is good, but doesnt seem to fit well

I can't go for trench fighter so it's not worth

[rustic beacon]

Optimal perks for plasma if running superiority complex would be unarmoured+elite then right? If I understand your table correctly there is no BP benefit for running flak if I have SC

[terse idol]

I mean imo

You don't need every melee talent to make a balanced build... because ds4 exists

Or to even need to make

A dedicated melee tree for vet

If you're not running to take ws

[rustic beacon]

Even without ds4, shovel and ps also don‘t really need the melee talents. Sure they are nice, but defo not mandatory

[cloud thunder]

who said they trusted auric exemplars? 💀

[visual badge]

doesnt count

clearly the true survivor fault

[terse idol]

@serene bough (frankly I thought just taking repi was enough to make vet way proficient in melee, what else are ya taking?)

[hollow ibex]

heavy sword is a very good match for helbore

[terse idol]

Standard shovel

Take hotshot

On your helbore

Boom free cleave for shovel

[hollow ibex]

gonna be real, shovel, even with hotshot, is not good

[terse idol]

Uh

Its really good

Uncanny skull smasher and hotshot

At least imo

[cloud thunder]

Was hard carryiing until a plague ogryn knocked me off the map with everyone dead and horde on me

[terse idol]

Special attack staggers crushers too

[wanton dawn]

Need a big shot to carry me and az in havoc

[terse idol]

Iirc ragers

[wanton dawn]

especially az

[hollow ibex]

hotshot doesn't save its cleave damage distribution

you're ultimately still just whacking things around

[wanton dawn]

too late

[terse idol]

This is why

[visual badge]

so ds4 like always

I hate the meta

[terse idol]

I choose the standard shovel

It makes the horde clear actually decent

[hollow ibex]

yes, using standard shovel

[terse idol]

And I use the helbore or grenades for crushers

[hollow ibex]

that's the only shovel i use lol

heavy sword horde clear is always going to be way faster, because of funny brumentum things

[visual badge]

what about devil claw with helbore

helbore is good against everything but youre missing defense

[hollow ibex]

devils claw is pretty bad

unless you like taking like 3 hits to kill bucketheads

[visual badge]

thats why you have the helbore

I barely use melee so devil claw can save me with parry

[hollow ibex]

you won't be using helbore when 20 bucketheads swarm you

[visual badge]

I dont play havoc, so I never encounter that many

[crisp oak]

You can have that happen on regular damnations

[visual badge]

well if I do, I have 3 teammates and grenades as well

[hollow ibex]

exactly

[visual badge]

at best they're gonna distract them lol

[hollow ibex]

just to be clear, talking about these guys

[visual badge]

I thought you meant maulers

[vernal trench]

Melee block

[vernal trench]

Handsome fella

[visual badge]

never had a problem with devil claw killing fodder

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah no, dclaw's going to be even more painful against those guys lol

[hollow ibex]

3-4 hits

have fun

hsword's a reliable two hits

this is all assuming you're doing horde clear combos

[agile forge]

Maybe a devil claw would work for my grenade build actually

[vernal trench]

Tbh devil claw is barely viable in havocs

[queen fox]

Does parry still work and block dmg on overhead swings?

[vernal trench]

Powersword goes in hard tho

[visual badge]

I wll not stand for the devil claw hate speech

[agile forge]

This grenade build will never be taken into havoc anyway lmao

[vernal trench]

Havoc is its own demon

[queen fox]

This isn't hate speech, this is an educational lecture

[agile forge]

I wanna meme around in enhanced blitz maelstroms

[hollow ibex]

depends on whether you get perfect parry and have enough stamina

[queen fox]

Dclaw is mid once you get to auric mael

[hollow ibex]

i WANT to like the dclaw, but the flak damage is fucking horrible for no discernible reason

[agile forge]

I'm actually contemplating the chainsword 4 with it

[vernal trench]

Use powersword

Powersword good

[agile forge]

I hate the depower bug

[vernal trench]

3 hit crusher in havoc 40

or 4 hit idk

[agile forge]

when they fix it I will take power sword again

until then it can gtfo

[vernal trench]

What bug

[agile forge]

I love my chainsword 4 though

when you get hit, your weapon depowers

affects a lot of powered state weapons

affects chainsword too but you barely rev it

[vernal trench]

Oh damn

[agile forge]

it's not as disruptive on that

and chainsword is underrated as fuck imo

[vernal trench]

Just dont get hit

Block and dodge

U die in 3 hits in havoc 40 with vet anyway

[serene bough]

At least desperado, but I recommend all the way down to trench fighter

[agile forge]

I'll think about havoc 40 builds when I play more havoc

[vernal trench]

Its a struggle powering it up and swinging it on high ping

Cuz they hit u before u even know it sometimes

Goofy pings

[agile forge]

My main veteran havoc build so far is plasma/chainsword vet

[vernal trench]

I despise plasma cuz its meta

[agile forge]

with obligatory shout frags and focus target

I'm shit so I have to lean on meta for havoc

since there's more at stake

[vernal trench]

Try bolter its good

I love using it

Mag dumps go crazy after exiting infiltrate

[agile forge]

I'm using bolter on my relic blade chorus zealot

[vernal trench]

Yea but bolter is so much weaker on zealot than vet

[agile forge]

It's a different tool really

[vernal trench]

Somewhat maybe

Just how u play

Recoil with bolter is pretty nuts if ur tryna hit stuff from 50+m away

Gotta wait for it to reset before every shot

[agile forge]

I've got throwing knives at least but they're unreliable at that distance too

I'm getting decent with them at hitting moving and distant targets but it's a struggle

[vernal trench]

I cant hit shit far away with knives

[hollow ibex]

just git gud bro

[vernal trench]

I got a whole 14 games on zealot

[hollow ibex]

calculate the parabolic trajectory of your tknives while sliding through 20 gunners

[agile forge]

I fucking love throwing knives honestly, the skill cap on them compared with your actual ranged headshot weapons is insane

[terse idol]

Throw every long ranged knife to get the deal for it

[vernal trench]

Throwing knives is pretty good

[hollow ibex]

tbf i've seen some pretty crazy people with tknives

[terse idol]

That's the advice I gotta give

[vernal trench]

Sometiems i wish i can throw one on vet

[agile forge]

like you can just fire a plasma in the same room that somebody's head was in once and it's a headshot

[hollow ibex]

the skill cap for it is the fucking sky

[vernal trench]

Instead of waiting 2 seconds to pull out my bolter

[agile forge]

but throwing knives actually have to hit the fucking head

[hollow ibex]

they just delete every specialist

[vernal trench]

thats why i hate plasma gun lmfao

The collateral is insane

[agile forge]

The entire war could end if Jimmy Space fired one Zarona revolver bullet from his throne

every heretic would be simultaneously headshot at once

hitbox the size of the fucking universe

[vernal trench]

Crazy skin

[cloud thunder]

I k now but I had a horde of crushers, i had to kite it and he charged at me at same time

[vernal trench]

Fly away

[cloud thunder]

If you saw the chaos, you would understand

[tall torrent]

still unarmored + flak

[vernal trench]

I can imagine it

Atleast u didnt get thrown off the map by a mutie

[terse idol]

See we just need sly marbo

[ocean ferry]

what blessings should i put on my chain sword and perks?

[agile forge]

Which chainsword?

I use the mark 4 with Flak/Maniac, Shred/Rampage

[ocean ferry]

XIII g?

[agile forge]

Shred is really important on chainsword, it has unusual behaviour with its crits on multitarget that make it work a lot better

eh, idk about that one

The guide says wrath/shred

[tropic notch]

Unless I’m zealot I wouldn’t put Maniac

Id go flak unyielding

[agile forge]

The guide suggests maniac, not sure what its reason is

I guess it also depends on what you're using it for and with

maybe hits a breakpoint on special light attack vs dreg ragers or something idk

[vernal trench]

Idk i dont read guides cuz they tend to be bullshit all the time

[agile forge]

number crunching to get weapons past breakpoints is a level of effort I'm unprepared to go to for myself in this game lol

[tall torrent]

mine isn't

[agile forge]

I'll happily resort to guides for this purpose

[vernal trench]

I aint reading it anyway reading takes effort

I got a question imma just throw it here

[agile forge]

Single page infographics for each weapon family is pretty low effort for us

The big 3 darktide guides are all great for instant reference but I like the veteran one a bit more (although I did prefer the old 2-page version with the longer optional write-ups)

Low effort to read I mean

[vernal trench]

My efforts are so low ill play a weapon completely wrong and somehow make it work

[agile forge]

A lot of effort to put together I imagine lmao

[tall torrent]

oh no it's not gonna be single pages in steam version

I have all ranged weapons' sections done

[steep flower]

@unreal nova I'm home... time 2 play!

[agile forge]

just don't be one of those specimens I see sometimes who runs an antax or rashad combat axe... without brutal momentum.

[vernal trench]

U should go to asia and enjoy the 300 ping

[agile forge]

in auric maelstrom

[vernal trench]

Idk what i got for mine

[vernal trench]

I forgot

[tall torrent]

(this is what the least detailed weapon section looks like)

[vernal trench]

Least detailed he says

[steep flower]

isn't distance from Europe to US almost the same as it is from Europe to Asia in terms of servers? at worst i had 100 ping or so

[agile forge]

It also has the immediate table information

[vernal trench]

Just solo it

[agile forge]

you don't have to read all the text

[vernal trench]

Oh no ue gonna be enjoying 300 on asia

[agile forge]

if you're trying for a quick reference

but it's nice to be there if you actually like and benefit from that stuff

[vernal trench]

Just look in the regions in mission panel

[steep flower]

this recoil is yuck... one of the main reasons nobody uses infantry lazguns

[vernal trench]

It goes up to 330 for eu players

[tall torrent]

yea

[steep flower]

mind giving a link to the guide?

[vernal trench]

I dont got enough brainpower to read allat

[steep flower]

would love to see progress

[tall torrent]

it's unfinished

and I can't give access without making contributors

[vernal trench]

I swear ur names been the same for atleast a year

[steep flower]

still; i put it in my favourites

ah i see

fair enough

[vernal trench]

Papa will help with the guide

[tall torrent]

besides

[tall torrent]

this table

actually looks like cursed languages

on my end

[vernal trench]

It looks cursed enough as it is

Too many boxes and words and numbers

[vernal trench]

This is like me when im tryna edit a plugin for my minecraft server

Its all cursed

[visual badge]

@tall torrent what do you think about this helbore build

wait no I did it wrong

[steep flower]

no demoteam

[visual badge]

I didnt go movement speed

I went +1 stamina

at the top

[tall torrent]

I am too lazy and would probably take O4B and drop close order drill & CK

[steep flower]

good 4 stamina

[tall torrent]

if tac reload is what u want

opening salvo standalone pick is wack

[steep flower]

tac reload is not needed; its convenient but not needed

[visual badge]

I cant deny it works

[tall torrent]

which helbore is this

[visual badge]

lucius

[night ledge]

Which weapons are good bros

[tall torrent]

all 3 are called lucius

[night ledge]

Im bolt pistoling rn

[tall torrent]

which helbore is this

[visual badge]

mk iv

[steep flower]

unless you use the slow firing mark then it will help cause reload on those is oof

[tall torrent]

I honestly think helbore is the only gun where running exe + MF at the same time is legit

[visual badge]

not big fan of % perks

[tall torrent]

mkIV helbore can hit crusher 1 taps

[steep flower]

me neither; but this one delivers

[visual badge]

I did use exe a lot with helbore but honestly

[tall torrent]

takes massive investment tho

[visual badge]

voc is not bad because it lets me get everything around me staggered

and I can pick off ranged enemies

[agile forge]

Vraks 5 baby

[vernal trench]

Thats what i run so it must be true

[grand perch]

sad vigilant noises

[hollow ibex]

It's not too bad tbh. Just need exec crit and like 3 stacks of FT

[agile forge]

it's so janky but your dps is absolutely crazy

[visual badge]

MF and exe is really good

but I feel like you tunnel vision a bit too much

[agile forge]

you need a duelling sword 4 with it pretty much imo but this build is the most fun I have in darktide

[tall torrent]

only III and VII tbh
but for VII I feel it's overkill like 50% the time because u only need it for flamers

[vernal trench]

Thats just exec stance in general

[agile forge]

you do, but on the other hand enemy shooters literally do not exist

[vernal trench]

Ds4 BAD

[agile forge]

I've found that every other melee weapon gets you killed

[steep flower]

marksman focus keystone; remember

[agile forge]

you need the OP to cover how one-dimensional you are

[vernal trench]

I run it with knife

I can be speed

[agile forge]

Ok knife would probably work too

[visual badge]

sadly I am not that good at hitting heads consistently

[agile forge]

but this build uses vraks 5 without the brittleness talent

[visual badge]

MF is hit or miss at times

[agile forge]

so I want the anti-crusher power too

[vernal trench]

Idk what vraks 5 is

[agile forge]

I know knife isn't bad at it but still

Vraks 5 Infantry Autogun

[steep flower]

There is a reason nobody runs marksmans focus

[agile forge]

used to be Columnus 5

[tall torrent]

u can forego MF and just run exe, it's a very strong bonus to helbore
bring a low point cost horde clear melee that can vibe check carapace

[vernal trench]

Just use hellbore

[visual badge]

which melee would you recommend

[agile forge]

Rapid fire appeals to me more

[vernal trench]

Hellbore deletes everything aside from bosses

[visual badge]

rashad is too slow

[steep flower]

combat axe

[terse idol]

Take trench fighter

[tall torrent]

power sword
mk7 shovel
shock maul 3

[terse idol]

Boom

Qol

[vernal trench]

Idk how other hebores do against crushers but 4 just deletes them

[steep flower]

its the fastest of its category

[visual badge]

would but my build doesnt allow it

[grand perch]

dont forget crushers

[terse idol]

😭

[agile forge]

hang on I'll link my silly exec stance build

[vernal trench]

Combat axe is genuinely so slow its sad

[tall torrent]

turbo rending gaming

[agile forge]

this build WILL get you killed but the dps is absolutely insane

like it shits on gun psyker

[visual badge]

I'll try, so far the build I have is decent

it'S been a while since I used exe helbore

[vernal trench]

Eveeyones gonna be crying when they nerf ds

[tall torrent]

majority players yea

what can they do without a carapace dps stick

[vernal trench]

Exec hellbore on havoc 40 does insane damage

Literal glass cannon

[vernal trench]

Dir

Die

[hollow ibex]

Until pus hardened. Then it's just glass

[vernal trench]

Lmfao

[calm shard]

honestly MK IV Helbore overkills enemies by so much that it can still one shot headshot some pus hardened enemies

[agile forge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9e200935-12f0-48df-a1c3-5a473074a2b2

[tall torrent]

nerf duelling sword (all) and 90% players suddenly don't know how to fight crushers anymore

[vernal trench]

U can prolly do 1.6-1.8 mil on exec hellbore on a 40

[vernal trench]

I cant wait

[agile forge]

Just bear in mind that your toughness will shit itself in melee

[calm shard]

I know it can still one shot headshot scab gunners and both shotgunner types even if they're pus hardened

[agile forge]

I wouldn't run this in havoc ever

but auric maelstrom it's fun to be a pure glass cannon like this

[tall torrent]

can very easily bypass this by taking o4b

[vernal trench]

Insane build

[grand perch]

ive not dared to go exec + mf in h40 without my premade

[agile forge]

idk about the perks on finesse, I forget it now

[tall torrent]

instead of exhilarating takedown

[agile forge]

uh, perks on duelling sword I mean

[vernal trench]

I aint using it even with premade imma sh it the bed

[tall torrent]

they're prob not gonna do it

[agile forge]

The purpose of this is to avoid melee as much as you can tbh

[vernal trench]

Fuck

Everyone crutching on one weapon makes me unhappy

[agile forge]

I mostly just try to headstab crushers, maulers and mutants and anything like dogs that break through, and I swishswish hordes if I have to, but I wanna be shooting elites specials and shooters all day and being slightly greedy with ammo (but not as greedy as a lugger)

[grand perch]

i will be exec + mf main till the die i die...or uninstall

[vernal trench]

Tbh id bring powersword for exec hellbore build

[agile forge]

I like exhil takedown as a change of pace since nobody ever takes it, it's good for shootouts

[tall torrent]

the avg player is not good enough to not crutch on duelling sword lol

[vernal trench]

That crowd clear will let u survive hordes and armored shit

[hearty panther]

i refuse to believe it wont be nerfed but i mean, who fucken knows with fatshark sometimes

[agile forge]

And I take camouflage over long range assassin because it's easier to keep up vs bosses

[calm shard]

No kidding. Even with it some people just straight up don't seem to have survival instincts

[visual badge]

@tall torrent would you actually recommend uncanny strike + thrust on the shovel?

[vernal trench]

Fatshark does what fatshark wants

[hearty panther]

it doesnt even need to be gutted necessarily but the ds4 in particular is so far outside the norm for damage

[visual badge]

or is it just beter to go decimator

[vernal trench]

Most*

[tall torrent]

which one

[crisp oak]

Best part with the dueling sword is.... Ive never really liked it

[visual badge]

mk7

[hearty panther]

like twice as much crit headshot damage than its nearest competitor (a different mark of dueling sword)

[tall torrent]

I think decimator is more general purpose
even though I'm a dedicated decimator hater

[crisp oak]

You need thrust to onetap crushers

[terse idol]

It'll be nerfed with the tagline:eventually:

[visual badge]

I imagine thrust + switch mode

[vernal trench]

Best part is i thought i needed it until i realized i just have a skill issue

[crisp oak]

With any sense of consistency

[terse idol]

I will also say like

Nerfing is creates waves of nerfs

[steep flower]

on mk III shovel deci/skullcrusher helps with horde clear

[terse idol]

Fat shark has made their own issue

[tall torrent]

play axe for 1200 hours it'll clear ur mind

[terse idol]

Brcause you gotta balance it for 3 classes

Instead of 1

[crisp oak]

Does it still onetap what it needs to onetap though?

[vernal trench]

I aint doing that

[agile forge]

I miss the duelling sword being the psyker's secret weapon

[hearty panther]

it wasnt balanced for psyker either, the needed nerf(s) wouldve been the same

[vernal trench]

I played axe for a few hours and powersword is just a better ace

Axe

[terse idol]

Unless they want to balance the weapon per-class

[tall torrent]

nah

[terse idol]

Oh

[tall torrent]

quite the opposite

[agile forge]

Nothing is balanced with disrupt destiny tbh

[vernal trench]

Axe is so slow i cant use it

[terse idol]

axe doesn't need a battery

[crisp oak]

Axe is better when shit hits the fan

[visual badge]

I probably am the only one who doesn't like power sword

[terse idol]

You do need trench fighter

[vernal trench]

I run as slow as mt bolter

[vernal trench]

movement slow

[crisp oak]

Nah I hate it, its boring

[agile forge]

You can get by without trench fighter if it's an emergency weapon rather than a primary

[terse idol]

The PS mobility

Is somehow worse

[hearty panther]

DD itself is pretty balanced so

[terse idol]

Than the caxe

[crisp oak]

So is the powersword lol

[agile forge]

but you really want anything with attack speed on it

[tall torrent]

ur just crutching on DS lmao

[visual badge]

not boring, more that having to constantly active it is annoying

[vernal trench]

Yea but i run faster but dodge worse

[agile forge]

I absolutely love that shit either way. Best keystone in the game imo.

[vernal trench]

I dont even use ds

[crisp oak]

Tbh though my favorite vet melee is the mk7

[terse idol]

Like i feel gross running axe cause I feel like I'm clutching on axe

[crisp oak]

Chonky is a knife user

[agile forge]

Gameplay-wise rather than power

[terse idol]

Yeah?

[vernal trench]

Ds is such a shit weapon

[hearty panther]

im lost and confused when i dont have the game giving me bluebois to go kill

[agile forge]

but I feel like it's more powerful than people give it credit for

[terse idol]

If you wanted to run fast you'd just take a knife

[tall torrent]

then knife crutching which is honestly worse

[terse idol]

Cause that's pretty kino

[vernal trench]

Yea but crutching on speed is stupid

[terse idol]

What noo

[vernal trench]

Na i use powersword

Powerswords the real shit

[terse idol]

I see alot of saved runs with knife

[agile forge]

I realise so many times I make the split second decision between shooting dog on my friend first or blue groaner first

[tall torrent]

yea just axe 0.8

[agile forge]

and I end up letting my friend get that one extra bite

[hearty panther]

blueman comes first every time

[vernal trench]

I like the cleave and push attack

[hearty panther]

if my teammate wanted to be saved they shouldve been attacked by more valuable targets

[agile forge]

It might save me one bullet shooting the dog with the extra damage boost!

(meanwhile: already at 15)

[hearty panther]

im always running 25 stacks lol

[vernal trench]

i dont even care about charging it up its just so satisfying to delete moebians

[agile forge]

I'm not spicy enough for that

[hearty panther]

thats when DD gets REAL wild

[crisp oak]

Anyway mk7 with uncanny->thrust with tag is great

[agile forge]

I find the hardcore versions of those stacking talents struggle to maintain vs bosses

[crisp oak]

Just wish its heavies had more cleave tbh

[hollow ibex]

M7 shovel horde clear is pretty bleh though. I didn't know shock maul could counter carapace

[agile forge]

the casual ones are just a huge amount of free power

[vernal trench]

Ds2 better than ds4 change my mind

[agile forge]

if you cook the swings a little for thrust it's not bad

[tall torrent]

3~4 hits vs crusher

[crisp oak]

Yeah the mk7 heavies do work though(especially with thrust on it)

[agile forge]

like 2 stacks maybe?

[steep flower]

don't forget the special action stun that lasts for 4 secs

[visual badge]

shock maul special can hit through shield

its good support

[crisp oak]

Still not good, but also not terrible

[steep flower]

if not more

[vernal trench]

I gotta try shockmaul itll be insane

[crisp oak]

I just hate how the shock maul feels to use

[vernal trench]

How do u make it kill crushers?

[visual badge]

special + heavy hits to head

[steep flower]

use heavies

[hearty panther]

thats a given, the question is uptime overall. if you actually do hit 25 stacks in combat where stacks can be earned (ie. not in pure hordes or against a lone monstro) then the 25 stacks will still give you more output than 15 stacks for the first 40s, and in those 40s if you were running the 15 stack variant you'd be down to 11 stacks, so you're still ahead with 25 stacks until 56 seconds since your last blue kill

[vernal trench]

How many hits

[steep flower]

it has dope combos; can show ya

[visual badge]

3-4 mby

[vernal trench]

Thats not too bad

[steep flower]

wanna vc? i wanna plya not type crap

[vernal trench]

Not home

[tall torrent]

3~4 in damnation

[vernal trench]

How many in h40 tho

They be tanky

[crisp oak]

I wonder if the mk7 can oneshot havoc 40 crushers

[tall torrent]

do the math urself buddy

[vernal trench]

8 hits

[tall torrent]

stop guessing lmao

[vernal trench]

Idk how much more health they got than damnation

I got no healthbar mod

[crisp oak]

Crushers have 1.5x hp

Right

[vernal trench]

Dont they have 4000 in damnation

And 7200 in h40

[steep flower]

3600

[crisp oak]

Ah so its 2x then

[tall torrent]

3600 damnation
5400 true havoc

[steep flower]

what about mutants in havoc? do you know?

[vernal trench]

Dont they have rhe same health as reapers im so confused

[hearty panther]

what about super duper true havoc

[tall torrent]

6k

[vernal trench]

i thought reapers had 7200 in h40

[crisp oak]

Thats 6-8 then

[tall torrent]

u thought wrong

[vernal trench]

Idk im just saying what people told me

No way i can check myself

[narrow frost]

It all makes sense now

[tall torrent]

people that hard crutch on DS told u wrong

[normal bay]

5400 in Havoc

[vernal trench]

Yea fuck those ds users

[vernal trench]

Free stat boosts

[crisp oak]

DS with agile

Never use heavies

[hearty panther]

so sick of DumbSword

[crisp oak]

Never stop dodging

[vernal trench]

Ds with agile is so stupid lmfao

[terse idol]

Just take hotshot

[vernal trench]

Its so stupidly op

[terse idol]

On the el'bore

[crisp oak]

Used it to mastery farm my voidstrike

Just spammed lights and dodged and "made people sick"

[vernal trench]

Ds needs a nerf so bad

[hollow ibex]

Thats pretty good. How's the horde clear?

[tall torrent]

[hollow ibex]

I assume mk7 has the same cleave damage issues standard shovel had

[tall torrent]

it would be good horde clear
if it had 2x the cleave

[hollow ibex]

Oh

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btw am I dumb or does chaos spawn not have a weakspot?

[calm shard]

it does

[vernal trench]

Their head

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what part of them is their head bro

[calm shard]

it's just the smallest and hardest to hit of any monstrosity

[hollow ibex]

Maybe I'll be desperate enough to try mk7 again

[calm shard]

especially with how much it moves

[hollow ibex]

Prob not

[vernal trench]

their head

[crisp oak]

I might be making this up but I think the mk7 heavy has worse cleave than the mk1

[vernal trench]

Isnt shovel basically useless against carapace

[hollow ibex]

Idk what makes it worse but I'm pretty sure mk7 has even worse horde clear than ml1

[hearty panther]

is mkI the default

[hollow ibex]

Mk1

[crisp oak]

Yes

[hearty panther]

yea

[hollow ibex]

Standard shovel

[hearty panther]

so its attack speed

thats why its better

otherwise im pretty sure the numbers are the same

[crisp oak]

Heacies have less cleave, and lights do more stagger but less damage I think

[vernal trench]

Uncanny?

[hollow ibex]

Gonna need help from frags ig

[crisp oak]

Uncanny and the push attack one looks like it

Tbh though the shovel has good dodges

[tame lodge]

Slightly above center mass

[tall torrent]

same cleave (10.5), slightly worse attack speed

[vernal trench]

Axe seems fun to use but idk what u need for u to kill crushers quickly

[crisp oak]

Same damage profile too?

[calm shard]

both of the good variants are pretty alright into carapace

[tall torrent]

[crisp oak]

Huh

[hollow ibex]

So same bad cleave damage distribution?

[hearty panther]

i think only the MKIII has unqiue profiles but idk cause that thing is ass