veteran-class

[dim tiger]

the Emperor is a psyker too, so it's canon

[willow canyon]

Like spam stunning a whole horde?

[uncut pebble]

(this is not a joke, you can literally have infinite EE duration with gunker, it's so broken)

(your only limit is how much ammo you have)

[errant carbon]

New enemy special (Null), proximity disables all Psyker abilities and talents that depend on the Warp ||as well as Exe Stance highlights and Chorus||

[loud belfry]

yeah some shit that disrupts the magical abilities we all have

[uncut pebble]

Psyker mainly needs infinite cleave on purg and trauma to be removed and smite needs to jump slower.

Now you solve infinite scaling vs density and smiteker idiots.

[willow canyon]

Chorus and exe depend on the warp?

Well maybe chorus but stance?

[loud belfry]

some of them are quite mysterious as to the source of their function

[north iron]

Lmaoo what, psyker is something I've kinda not went too deep on, curious how that works out

explains the absolute batshit gunkers ive seen tbf

[willow canyon]

I mean I think exe stance maybe your vet just puts on some special goggles or smth

chorus makes sense tho

[loud belfry]

that is sorta what it seems like, yeah

[errant carbon]

Sisters of Battle Miracles depend on the Warp so Chorus may well depend on it too.

Half joking about Exe Stance, but it does allow the Vet to see enemies through walls. Psyker could LARP as a Guardsmen who discovered he was a latent psyker so why not the other way around?

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-snake-huh-kept-you-waiting-huh-big-boss-gif-8511432494893653427

[uncut pebble]

Psyker has a talent called empathetic evasion, it makes you immune to ranged attacks for 1s on any crit, whether it be melee, ranged, or assail (bb and smite can't crit). This means with the 37% or so crit chance scriers adds up to, plus true aim, a recon lasgun can make you immune to bullets for as long as you have ammo.

[north iron]

Ahhh right, definitely goofy

[hollow ibex]

high skill gameplay

[uncut pebble]

Or an infantry autogun, I don't judge. I just find recon to be better due to infernus.

[willow canyon]

I think I just suck but I find pskyer the hardest to play

My least played class

[north iron]

Still trying to figure out a build for psyker that feels fun for me

[uncut pebble]

Psyker is the least forgiving of mistakes because you are made of tissue paper.

[errant carbon]

I guess that's another thing, DOTs ignore Pus Hardened Horseshit and Psyker has the easiest time applying them

[north iron]

I wish brain burst was good

[errant carbon]

Speaking of ignoring mechanics

[willow canyon]

Yea,and I’m on Xbox so my movement isn’t crazy like pc

[faint beacon]

tbf SG is literally just a better Exe stance with how fucking insanely powerful it scales

Suppression immunity also lmao

dont forget that

[willow canyon]

It’s not? I use it all the time 😭

[uncut pebble]

Well pus hardened is a shitty fucking modifier and needs to be reigned in, I don't mind abusing infernus to get around it.

[errant carbon]

Said everyone since the earliest Darktide betas

[hollow ibex]

psyker's the strongest class overall, only mildly harder to play than other classes tbh

[tropic halo]

Psyker has a lot of micro managing and if he is played very well, he is really the strongest class

[north iron]

Psykers def something I want to get into more outside of just some boring ass assail spam lmao

Just hard to figure out a style for me

[willow canyon]

I have a build on psyker with the fire staff and the bubble and I sit in the bubble and pop heads of problem elites with empowered psyonics and the one talent that makes your brains burst faster on using your ability

[uncut pebble]

I play psyker and only throw assail under 3 circumstances.

I just popped scriers and throw 2-3
I am under the effects of warp unbound
several dreg ragers are attempting to touch me
Otherwise I don't use them.

[errant carbon]

Depends heavily on how you build. Are you trying to squeeze maximum efficency out of a whole bunch of moving parts? Are you making a safe but still very strong Inferno or Trauma build? Or are you going full on Smitebot?

[tropic halo]

If you are a psyker using assail all the time more than your melee and ranged then I am sorry but I will hit that barrel when you are close to me

[willow canyon]

[errant carbon]

Assail makes low difficulties tolerable for the leveling-up Psyker and intolerable for everyone else in their game

[uncut pebble]

I am going to throw all 10 darts when warp unbound goes off, you cannot stop me.

[tropic halo]

[uncut pebble]

In fact, I am much faster than you, as I get faster with each of the funny blue men I murder, with each crit, and when I am under the effects of scriers. You will not catch me.

[supple laurel]

whats frog yapping about this time

[uncut pebble]

I am speed.

[supple laurel]

fast asf boi 🗣️

[uncut pebble]

Nyoom.

[visual badge]

psyker sucks ass

all youre good for is the bubble

[uncut pebble]

L take.

[willow canyon]

Crazy take

[supple laurel]

debatable take

[tropic halo]

what a take and i dont even play psyker

[uncut pebble]

If you say psyker sucks then that's literally admitting that you are bad at the game.

[willow canyon]

a class isn’t ass when you can sit there and hold a button and stun everything in the game except bosses 😭

[loud belfry]

isnt psyker just objectively the strongest class in the game? the highest damage game ever is probably a psyker doing it

[supple laurel]

when you see how useful the bubble is in havoc youll say otherwise

[tropic halo]

There is more than just the bubble

[errant carbon]

Psyker DPS scales infinitely with enemy density

[uncut pebble]

Bubble is actually completely unnecessary, Lumii just doesn't know how to not get shot.

[visual badge]

I'd rather you force me to play vet with the shredder than to play psyker

I got 20 levels before I decided to go 100% vet

[supple laurel]

he has a skill issue rn 💔

[supple laurel]

okay now ik you dont know anything after saying that

[tropic halo]

brainburted twice before even arriving the half of the mission

[uncut pebble]

Like we could absolutely clear h40 with two books, a voc, and me running gunker.

Lumii just doesn't want me to hoover all the ammo because he's a noob... 🚬

[willow canyon]

Two voc or a voc and a book is invincibility

[tropic halo]

Dont use all abilities at same time

[willow canyon]

I know

[north iron]

we could totally clear if i have fun shooting things and i have 2 chorus cucks and a voc cuddling me and whispering sweet nothings

absolutely based

[dapper plank]

what are some good blessings for power sword

[tropic halo]

Golden toughness is overrated, i like me chaining toughness regen

[north iron]

(i always get relegated to a chorus build i hate it here)

[uncut pebble]

The more things that enable my shenanigans, the better.

[dapper plank]

im guessing thrust and power cycler?

[tame lodge]

Power Cycler

[uncut pebble]

Power cycler brutal momentum, run mk6.

[tame lodge]

Sunder or Brutal Momentum

[visual badge]

brutal momentum always

if you want to actually have any horde clear

[vernal trench]

Tf

[uncut pebble]

Mk6 is activate > block cancel > light attack for hordes, or activate > PA > light attack for single target.

[dapper plank]

idk

[uncut pebble]

2shot crusher bp, it's mind numbing.

Slaughterer also does good work if you would prefer that over bm.

[visual badge]

DS also lets you 2 shot crushers

except you dont have to active it each time

[uncut pebble]

Didn't ask.

DS users are shit.

[tropic halo]

DS that, DS this

[uncut pebble]

:P

[visual badge]

oh what's that?

just saved you from that monster

you're welcome brother

[tropic halo]

Have you thought shutting down the DS

[visual badge]

yes, I have 100% all melee on vet

[wanton dawn]

PS has better boss dmg, better push, better cleave, better block and better reputation

[uncut pebble]

Brother, I have a force greatsword that two taps crushers.

You aren't "saving" me from anything.

In fact, my PA poke can oneshot them.

[tropic halo]

Meanwhile I got a giant pickaxe that I can stun them by pulling them infinitely

[uncut pebble]

You should pull bursters into smitekers.

[tropic halo]

[uncut pebble]

It's funny.

[tropic halo]

They rely too much on the smite so they would not know what it hit them

[uncut pebble]

Smite actually instantly makes bursters fall down and pop, if you didn't know.

They don't get to jump if you touch them with it.

If I didn't decide to take a nap a few minutes ago I might have taken you up on that offer.

:P

[tropic halo]

[wanton dawn]

FU

[tropic halo]

huh

[uncut pebble]

Oh cool Az's bot that deletes their messages made me look like I'm crazy.

[narrow frost]

schizo

[hollow ibex]

why are y'all talking to yourselves

freaks should go to #psyker-class

[hollow rose]

my team wipes, im left solo with one wound, boss and fuckton of snipers. Killed the boss, managed to progress solo to the rescue point. Team instantly splits up and dies in the span of 30 seconds

and my fkin ogryn shushes me when i tell them to stay together

[visual badge]

better yet go to #zealot-class thats the spot

[faint beacon]

100 more to go

[wanton dawn]

I play too much

[vernal trench]

cant believe im doing auric maelstroms cuz i need the paycheck

[hollow rose]

poxbreaker

new ASS title

[wise wren]

What do yall run blessing on the MK4 dueling?

Riposte im running for sure but im thinking precog as well

not too sure about what the perk combo is from the doc

[rustic beacon]

Uncanny+agile

[wise wren]

fair, was running it for crit chance but I just realized how uncanny works

also for reciproc
does dodging bullets count

[faint beacon]

tf you mean thats True Survivor

[hollow rose]

both

[faint beacon]

every True Survivor I've met immediately goes down cause they're 90% of the time bad

Handful of Poxbreakers I've seen are actually fucking good

[hollow rose]

tbh last few days i met like 12 different poxbreakers, 9 of them we're constantly playing 100 meters away from the team and dying to random trapper

[unreal nova]

Cos most ppl cheese it by dying. Only crazy ppl do it hardcore. Or ehm, idiot build with too much HP and corruption resist that you won't even lose a wound to an overhead so you now have 2 hp and half a wound corrupted.

[hollow rose]

As i said before, Poxbreakers got enough hours to be good, but also mountain-sized ego and think they can solo the game

[faint beacon]

Cause you can?...

its not like VT2 where you need to stay in a group

[hollow rose]

they how come they die solo and quit?

[faint beacon]

DT you can very easily split off into small groups or by yourself

cause they're bad

LMAO

[hollow rose]

I'm not saying it's impossible

[hollow rose]

which circles back to my point

[tall torrent]

some, yes

[tall torrent]

nah it's the closest one to meaning anything

long playtime doesn't necessarily equate to skill, it just means long playtime

u can think of it however u want

[narrow frost]

titles, frames, level. Nothing matters

[hollow rose]

I'm just saying from what I've seen people do

[faint beacon]

Nothing ever happens.

[wise wren]

ah
the MK 12 recon gun is fun but the one thing ive been having issues with is if I do fall low on ammo the reload dt can kill my stance

[tall torrent]

recon lasgun has a reload cancel trick

[wise wren]

Oh I guess that might help
I keep resetting the animation when I tried figuring out if it had tech instead of cancelling

[wise wren]

What the shit

[hollow ibex]

i can't get this right 😭

[hollow rose]

counterpoint: Shrek matters

[tall torrent]

I showed both reload speeds for comparison

too lazy to edit for side by side

[hollow ibex]

are you sprinting the moment you tap the battery or something?

[tall torrent]

yea

[hollow ibex]

i can never get the timing right

i'll have to try again

[tame void]

Life doesn't matter

[indigo garnet]

can the "Be Methodical" penance be done with Executioner's Stance?

[tame void]

Whats that again

[indigo garnet]

extend duration of Volley Fire to 20 seconds, 5 times total

I would assume so, I don't think the basic Volley Fire ability extends from kills but I know the Ogryn's improved Box Of Hurt is not the same as the basic one for that one Penance

[tame void]

Yeah, it'd be silly for it to be with the basic lol

Volley fire doesn't extend afaik

[summer lance]

what the fuck fatshark
no guardrails in this ONE spot??

entire team went in this same spot, me included

[hollow rose]

bro didnt watch his step 😔

[fading yarrow]

I'm starting to think I'm not allowed to not play Shout Vet with randoms in Auric

I'm trying to have fun with Krak, Płasma, Knife and Stealth but my team just collapses if I mess up

And I'm not even playing particularly bad, half the time my team just buzz off in random directions

[tame void]

Just don't mess up, carry them, ez

[trim steppe]

It's always rough when carrying a group and then the first mistake you make is a wipe.

[fading yarrow]

It's happened twice in a row tonight so far lol

[trim steppe]

I had that happen and I got netted. Instead of freeing me the guy tried to kill the trapper then got stuck in a horde, fought it for like 20 seconds with me wriggling at his feet. Then a flamer came and I was no more

[tame void]

Stealth vet is already a hinder on the team, sending extra stuff at them. So yeah, they might have a rough time if you make a mistake

[terse idol]

Thaaat much is a good point

[cloud thunder]

Had this happen to me earlier. I got trapped in a horde (trapper) and the ship was right there. All they had to do was ignore me and just get on ship. But no, they tried to res me even though I said go. And we all wiped. Right at ship. After I basically played like ultra instinct the whole game up until that point

[terse idol]

You gotta pull your weight playing infil

[tame void]

Team is fighting extra stuff thanks to you, no room for you to extra mess up

[trim steppe]

That stings

[cloud thunder]

Yeah was annoying 💀

Hate when people don’t have basic common sense

[trim steppe]

Like at least leave 1 guy in the chopper so if the fun rescue fails it's not a total loss

[cloud thunder]

Yeah

[vernal trench]

Had that happen to me just now

[tame void]

Leave no dwarf behind

[vernal trench]

Couldve won the game but the guy wouldnt die

[cloud thunder]

All good

I just carried the next one

[vernal trench]

Scriers gaze psyker goes hard on havocs

[cloud thunder]

Last game for me

[trim steppe]

I played a mission once on excise vault. It was like 50 minutes of attrition, my teammates racked up around 15 deaths. Then, while 3 of us are IN THE EXIT ELEVATOR, the bottom wrung teammate decides to rack up some kills standing just outside the elevator. After about 15 seconds a horde swarms in and boxes us all in, and we can't call extract because enemies in the elevator. Then a bomber chucks a fire nade in on us while we cant leave and we wiped

[cloud thunder]

I’m enjoying recon with knife

[lost seal]

I can't imagine playing psyker for 988 levels

After 2 games I want to swap off the class

[narrow frost]

I cant imagine playing zealot for 5000 levels

[cloud thunder]

💀

[lost seal]

You lack faith in the Emperor

1000 sufferings upon you

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-uno-uno-reverse-card-uno-cards-uno-reverse-card-meme-gif-12483429616104088768

[lost seal]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-ben-jammins-reverse-uno-are-you-sure-gif-3989233587515378102

[lost seal]

lol that is a good sticker

[narrow frost]

I love it

[tropic notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1288287202249408616/1328580520300249088/speed-2.gif?ex=679e4ac7&is=679cf947&hm=ed2826a1049ab5f780d924d91bd4fe4cb2fc0b9289060bb6048ae224e52b49a7&

Need a bon reskin and it’s this

[trim steppe]

Like the lvl 1400 vet I saw with weakspot damage perks on both his weapons, who died 3 times in the first 10 minutes

[tall torrent]

it happens

lv1400 could be playing malice with a single class for 2 years

[tropic notch]

The carry

[narrow frost]

titles, frames, level none matter

like look at eva

[lost seal]

Celine 💀

[tropic notch]

I had a lvl 1200 smite only psyker

[lost seal]

[tropic notch]

I run reject with like the lvl 10 frame

[tall torrent]

I ran into them one game and blocked immediately after

[lost seal]

Same here

[tall torrent]

hammerblow + trauma crusher

insane

[lost seal]

Worst zealot in the game

[tropic notch]

Who

[lost seal]

I rebuke them

[tall torrent]

lv4000+ zealot who doesn't know how to play the game

[tropic notch]

holy carry

[tropic notch]

That’s crazy

[tall torrent]

we wiped within like 2 mins of the game we got into with celine

blocked and begone

[tropic notch]

How do you put so much time into a game and character and still not know how to play

[tall torrent]

I think they legit just keep queueing auric and doesn't care about win/loss

and one trick zealot the entire time

[lost seal]

Or they use the MMT mod and farm levels with premades

I am aware of people who do that to farm

[tall torrent]

farming levels in this game is genuinely pathetic ngl

[tropic notch]

My zealot is lvl 250+

[tall torrent]

of all game u could farm levels in u chose the one where levels don't even display after 30 without a mod

[trim steppe]

Considering they provide nothing and you need mods to even see them,

[lost seal]

I am here to farm the plasteel

It is my food source

[trim steppe]

I love havok because it has freed me from my chains of being a greedy loner loot goblin in every auric I play. Now I don't give a shit if I only like 400 plasteel instead of 900 because at the end of the week I get 36k

[cloud thunder]

Well

[steep prairie]

depend on your teammates really

[cloud thunder]

Aurics also most likely becomes pug gauntlet where you gotta carry most of the time

[steep prairie]

if you have 3 clowns running around perma dying, maelstrom is still hard

[cloud thunder]

In a way, havocs is easier

[trim steppe]

In that case there is still no teamwork

[steep prairie]

proof or ban

[tall torrent]

he actually did

[steep prairie]

damn

okay gamer

[tall torrent]

it just took almost 2 hours

[steep prairie]

archivum sycorax doesn't count okay

holy gamer

[vernal trench]

Where

[steep prairie]

look at mr top 0.01% over here

but i am mainly speaking from perspective of a normal player

[hollow rose]

Teammates: "You're overreacting, we dont die that much"
Me:

[vernal trench]

No damage solo havoc 40 when

[hollow rose]

Pacifist run Havoc 🙏

[vernal trench]

LMFAO

That i gotta see

Pacifist run is crazy

How many tries it took tho

[hollow rose]

at least 1

[steep prairie]

the real questiion is

is there an Ogryn solo run

now that is what I am interested in

[vernal trench]

Hell yeah

Thats gotta be insane

[steep prairie]

eh that is good enough

at least it is possible

[vernal trench]

Anythungs possible if u set ur mind to it

[cloud thunder]

considering II just started a month and half ago

I'm going tto try duo maels with a friend

then maybe solo maels, then havoc someday

[steep prairie]

technically all 3 marks of hstubber are pretty viable

[vernal trench]

I should try duo havocs but im lazy

[steep prairie]

3 ranged weapons viable for havoc

[vernal trench]

Why play havoc when u can jump off the map and die

[steep prairie]

i feel like it just take forever to kill anything with kickback

the stagger is still nice though

using a kickback to kill a scab gunner is just painful

lol

[vernal trench]

I just noticed illenium

Illenium goes hatd

Hard

[fading yarrow]

Brute Conscripts was moved to non-Auric?

[tropic notch]

How infamous must you be to be known like that

[tropic notch]

Yeah to give the people who don’t have access to auric the opportunity to get the event rewards

[tropic notch]

Havocs are fun

Except cranial

I hate when they can’t be stunned or suppressed

[vernal trench]

Yea i love havocs

How do u do true duos

[tropic notch]

Not even chours stuns them so you can just pop it and live you risk going down because they are still shooting you

[vernal trench]

Just queue in like normal?

[tropic notch]

Basically

[vernal trench]

So u only get 3 tries

[tropic notch]

All you need is a psyker or zealot

[vernal trench]

Is there a mod that gives infinite tries for duo

[tropic notch]

Vets good as well

[tropic notch]

Mmt probably

[vernal trench]

Mmt?

Whats that

[tropic notch]

Many more try’s

[vernal trench]

Oh damn let me look

How eould that work with havoc 40 tho

[wise wren]

Yall need an opinion on what to improve here
using Recon XII but I cant figure out how to get to onslaught properly from here

Thinking of switching out rending strikes for desperado here

but honestly atp thinking of just going for the marksman keynode

[normal sparrow]

Golfing stick

[tall torrent]

what melee

[wise wren]

duelling

[tall torrent]

u don't need 6 points in starter section

u would also be better off with Catch a Breath over GBITF

[wise wren]

Fair
Most of this setup was with everything to make up for a lack of training wheels sorta

I think its fine to just kill the right section entirely right?

[tall torrent]

well

not having grenade regen

is one of the choices of all time

[wise wren]

Listen I wanted a build that would just let me pop combat abilitiy and tunnel vision to get some penances done by accident

[tropic notch]

Please fatty fish remove point tax

Let me become unkillable

[wise wren]

True I could go no keystone actually

No superiority complex or bring it down tho

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent what bp does that 15 elite damage even reach?

[tall torrent]

which weapon

[tropic notch]

Well what weapons use it

Ds?

Combat axe ?

[orchid hemlock]

u dont need onslaught

[tropic notch]

Those are what I normally run with it

[wise wren]

XII recon lasgun

[hollow ibex]

u dont need onslaught

[tall torrent]

not much for combat axe on its own

[orchid hemlock]

u dont need onslaught

[tall torrent]

too cringe for me to bother checking

[cloud thunder]

got on for another game, just fun stuff

[tropic notch]

[tropic notch]

Pw?

[orchid hemlock]

here tho:

With Onslaught: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Without Onslaught: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39a0c4-39ed-417d-bb6d-838991d8fb09/femboy-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tall torrent]

what's pw

[wise wren]

What the shit

[tropic notch]

Oops power sword

[tall torrent]

I think it gives easier access to both shotgunner 1hit and both rager 2hit

the only melee worth checking breakpoint for is combat axe

the rest not so much

[tropic notch]

Combat axe is so good

Love it on my vet

And knife

[fading yarrow]

Penile warts

[tall torrent]

and even for axe it's not for most enemies either

carapace and unyielding's breakpoints can get messy because of reciprocity and axe's tremendous total crit dmg against them

plus red nodes

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[tropic notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1288287202249408616/1328580520300249088/speed-2.gif

[orchid hemlock]

Here u go Fyre: https://youtube.com/shorts/ZQs-XUZC1PQ?si=aVX896Q6O-UNRGbD

[tropic notch]

Holy peak

Soft cat

https://tenor.com/view/sogga-egg-serval-serval-cat-gif-17345993264165789002

[wise wren]

how good is marksman focus btw

[tropic notch]

Me playing with my

My uh

Frag bombs for orgyn

[hollow ibex]

bad

worst vet keystone

might as well not exist

[tall torrent]

effect genuinely not bad
but is overall awkward to play

[hollow ibex]

i mean sometimes FT is just straight up better

[tall torrent]

for breakpoint weapons usually yea

but it's a lot of extra dmg

[wise wren]

75% finesse sounds like alot

[tropic notch]

It’s alright but ws blows everything out the water

[tall torrent]

u can reach like 300%+ bonus to crit-weakspot dmg

[wise wren]

again I just want a loadout where I can lock tf in in exec stance and just kill crushers with the duelist sword

[tall torrent]

what and what

[wise wren]

?

[tall torrent]

what's the focus of ur build

penance hunting?

[wise wren]

Penance hunting but honestly im enjoying just going all in on executioner stance's counter fire

[terse idol]

If you're running keystoneless recon onslaught is fine

[pure kindle]

TBH I'd probably recommend Psyker or Zealot for that for a variety of reasons. Ogryn with a pickaxe for even more.

Veteran doesn't really have the means for "locking tf in with the dueling sword" short of getting a generic shout+nade build and keeping them knocked down long enough to stab them in the faces while they're trying to get back up.

Any build you take with the Executioner's Stance is going to be pulling away pretty significantly from the branches of the skill tree that reward melee the most.

[terse idol]

What no way

Hold on i gotta

Like you got some okay options, for exe too, ilas with ghost and exe can clear waves of gunners

Dueling sword is like

Probably one of if not the best melee weapons even if you don't need to knock down crushers because that's how good the poke is

[winter sluice]

Ds cracked beyond belief

Ws plus Ds is insane. I like to run rev plus Ds usually

[wise wren]

I moreso meant with the Recon XII
either way I think im gonna run this and see where that gets me

wrong row

No nade regen, no melee just pure hatred and the whill to mow down the poor

[pure kindle]

That is . . . such a build.

[wise wren]

Nothing but a mag dump and a dream

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-18890916

What is that

Where key stone

[wise wren]

Onslaught and 200 ammo in the mag is my keystone

[tropic notch]

What are those 2 points doing up there

Below the auras

[pure kindle]

Emphasis on the "dump" and "dream" aspects.

I can't help but feel that the demands of the Recon and the . . . desires for anti-Ogryn are pulling you all over the place and satisfying neither.

[wise wren]

5% crit and danage reduction

[tropic notch]

Put them into marksman’s focus

[hollow ibex]

cringe

[tropic notch]

Or sum

[plain agate]

Best melee weapons? Idk what to use

[tropic notch]

Those 2 points will not do anything where they are

[tropic notch]

On vet?

[plain agate]

Yeah

[hollow ibex]

rashad

[plain agate]

I have a fully upgraded powersword but im tired of using it

[pure kindle]

The ones you like. You don't need "the best" unless you just want to sling opinions around this channel.

[tropic notch]

Mk4 dueling sword, Rashad combat axe, power sword mk6, knife

[plain agate]

Thanks

[wise wren]

Could just take em off and go focus target instead but again I'd be missing out on fuel for shock trooper

[tropic notch]

Highly recommend the combat axe with brutal momentum and head taker

[hollow ibex]

rashad specifically

[plain agate]

Thank you I already wanted to use the axe but I didn’t know which mk to use

[tropic notch]

That recon crits in 3 s I believe and you’d get more dps from marksman or weapon specialist

[wise wren]

gonna just test out with and without but most likely might just go for marksman

[hollow ibex]

marksman as in MF?

bad for recon

[calm shard]

I always run recon keystoneless

it's just better that way

[tropic notch]

Yeah the Rashad mk3 is amazing and very reliable for perks I go unyielding and crit/whatever you want

Elites are good for it

[tropic notch]

Really? Huh

[hollow ibex]

yeah MF is good for weapons that benefit from finesse scaling, which is not recon

[tropic notch]

Ohhhh

[hollow ibex]

(though MF in general is not great)

[calm shard]

recon does crit a lot it just doesn't really crit hard

[wise wren]

At most if im taking anything it would be focus target but honest to god with onslaught im even burning crushers really fast

[tropic notch]

Yeah so weapon specialist would be better

[calm shard]

eh

also not really

recon crits a lot WS or not

[hollow ibex]

recon doesn't really need any of them

[tropic notch]

Damm

[wise wren]

also isnt weapon specialist like on the next shot?

[calm shard]

and target priority damage boost doesn't really matter that much for recon's damage

[tropic notch]

I mean he is wanting crit

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's crit on 1 shot

so it likes big alpha strikes

[wise wren]

Yeah for the sake of shock trooper tho

[calm shard]

reciprocity on its own is enough crit for recon

crit strings give it an insanely high effective crit chance even if you have zero crit boosts

[wise wren]

I get reciprocity however I havent figured out what causes it on succesfull dodge when it comes to ranged attacks

Like I know most of the time the enemies rush you n everything so it still triggers alot but

Yeah still think id be better off with recipro over a flat 5%

I just imagined being true backline but

question how good is Duck and Dive?

I know vet with recon does get alot of mobility and stamina but ive been holding executioner's stance for a really long time in most cases

[hollow ibex]

unnecessary outside of deadshot memeing

and the pathing sucks

[wise wren]

Alright switching to killzone

[wise wren]

What triggers reciprocity in ranged fights fyi or is it just melee dodges

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's a good one, though i usually take reciprocity

pretty sure its' anything lol

[calm shard]

Whenever the fuck fatshark decides it procs

[wise wren]

This has been the most honest statment ive recieved in this entire channel when it comes to buildcraft

all right so here it is

went right side for the reload at first but atp fuck it once I tier this thing up it wont be an issue

Seriously infuriating that the EXP curio nodes dont give you more weapon xp

[frank basin]

I’m one of the light spammer

[solar monolith]

@atomic void

no embeds in zealot chat

[atomic void]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-right-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-5292336

[wise wren]

Honestly enjoyable as shit setup

Counterfire is geniune peak adren

v fun considering I was using 300 gear on auric

[lean forge]

Offering a sacrifice of two servitors to fatshark to bring back the Death Korps Of Krieg outfits

[mental cloud]

Ogryn has made me a heavy spammer now. 😭

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/swat-fbi-payday2-gif-22048003

Yes this why

[mental cloud]

But the clubs too. I want the cleavers buffed so I can spam the mk4 light chain again and it do damage lol

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jBBfRNe49wsIsXhlD?invite=cr-MSxwRTMsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Shit will never get old with Super Impact

[solar monolith]

fellas i require your rootinest tootinest shootinest agri rev build for yeehawmaxxing

[hollow ibex]

lmao

spawn into a game

instantly kicked

what the fuck

[crude arch]

best blessings and perks for chainsword and shovel for popping crushers? and sometimes wave clear ty

[grand perch]

i reckon y'all want to use this lil beaut, pardner

kills bosses good like the devil wouldnt believe

[indigo garnet]

right, i've been trying to get the Be Methodical penance for Veteran (Volley Fire lasting 20 seconds, 5 times). I've previously gotten 1/5 done, but having played using it today for 4-ish hours of gameplay and I have not progressed it. This is ofc playing exclusively Heresy+ Difficulty, aiming for Shock Troops and other Spec/Elite spawning mission modifiers, and focusing on progressing the penance by delaying special enemy kills until the timer is low, timing my reloads appropriately, using high-capacity weapons, and so-on.

Is the Penance currently bugged, or am I missing something?

[uncut pebble]

For the emperor would get you better damage than close quarters killzone for your gun when you pop exe stance.

Also no desperado hurts bad for melee.

[grand perch]

oh yeah forgot to change back from born leader

[uncut pebble]

Get the counter fire aux node.

[grand perch]

yeah but this is revolver maxxing

[uncut pebble]

You're probably falling just short of the 20s mark.

[indigo garnet]

does that extend the time-extending effect of Executioner's Stance to normal ranged enemies?

[uncut pebble]

Yes.

[indigo garnet]

Damn.

Ok.

[uncut pebble]

That's exactly what that does, actually.

[indigo garnet]

That probably solves every problem I am currently having

[uncut pebble]

I can drop a little build for counter fire maxxing but it's kind of a meme.

Deadshot value go brrrr.

[indigo garnet]

yeah oop I misread Exec Stance, it procs on highlighted enemy kill not Spec/Elite kill

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[uncut pebble]

I run this with the green ilas, flak unarmored ghost headhunter. Ghost counts you as dodging for duck and dive so you can get infinite deadshot uptime as long as you're hitting heads.

Melee is mk1 shovel.

Could probably drop determined if you want to afford something like rending strikes.

I just like starting off on the aggressive foot rather than trying to fish for a ghost proc when facing down a bunch of shooters.

[solar monolith]

may all your yees be haw'd in the emperor's name, pardner

[indigo garnet]

i'm tryna nab as many penances as possible atm, so i'm currently running Marksman's Focus as well

[uncut pebble]

Don't do both the volley fire and mf penances at the same time.

You are asking for a headache.

[indigo garnet]

I in fact already have a headache, it cannot get any worse

[uncut pebble]

Mf, unironically, should be done with a shotgun or the brown recon/agri infantry autogun.

[indigo garnet]

bullet hoses

[uncut pebble]

Shotguns don't care how your aim is as long as one pellet hits the head, the recon and autogun models I mentioned have cleave so you can aim at head level and just mow a horde down.

[vernal trench]

I was doing auric maelstroms earlier u could get it up to a minute in some cases

Hellbore gives u the time to aim

[uncut pebble]

It's counterintuitive, considering high finesse weapons like helbore or ilas benefit the most from mf, I know, but for penance purposes, those are your best options.

[vernal trench]

Bodyshots still instant kill the little gunners

[indigo garnet]

no I know that part

[uncut pebble]

Oh, also, funny thing about exe stance, you can refresh it in melee.

[indigo garnet]

more headshots = more uptime, more bullets = more potential weakspot kills, more mag size = less time spent in downtime

[solar monolith]

crabmaxx

[indigo garnet]

also got that part, thought it was funny

[vernal trench]

Yea just run up to them with a knife and stabbthem to death lmfao

[solar monolith]

crouch slide and swing at em

[uncut pebble]

Shooters highlighted by counterfire still count for refreshing if you beat them to death with your shovel lol.

And the game doesn't care if you bleed or burn something to death either.

Shredders can refresh it.

[indigo garnet]

also Recon lasgun with Deadshot + Tunnel Vison (mf) = infinite deadshot

[uncut pebble]

That's a waste.

[vernal trench]

Crazy thing about havocs is if u do havocs with exec stance ull be doing that penance multiple times over in a single game

[uncut pebble]

Recon has plenty of crit to begin with, especially with reciprocity.

[vernal trench]

Honestly id just ditch deadshot

[indigo garnet]

deadshot has gotten me killed many times now

it is no longer on the list

[vernal trench]

u got exec stancs it already zooms u in and gives u more stability u dont need deadshot

Yea its pretty useless imo

U gotta take extra talents just to use it and its not even that good

If u time ur shots and have good ish aim u can dodge around and still tap headshots

[calm shard]

it'd be an obnoxious but usable talent if it didn't turn off at 0 stamina

[hollow ibex]

dead shot's good for the memes

[vernal trench]

I can give u a build i use for good survivability as long as u have a team alive to protect u from melee half the time and u keep tapping headshots

It uses hellbore 4 tho

[uncut pebble]

I'd be fine with the sway reduction alone remaining at 0 stam tbh. That's actually the main reason I use it.

[vernal trench]

Eating stamina just means ur gonna be fucked if u exit ads at the wrong time

[indigo garnet]

naw I'm fine, I just need to go kill basic infantry goons until the penance works for me, because I was putting in way more effort than was actually needed

[uncut pebble]

He could use mine and not need protecting. :P

Ilas >>> helbore.

Especially for counter shooting.

[indigo garnet]

also I feel like I should share the obligatory "man I didn't think the revolver was good until I started using it and suddenly enemies didn't exist anymore"

[vernal trench]

I mean urs is okay for survivability for exec stance

Its gonna start struggling more and more with higher difficulties tho

[calm shard]

you're right but also one shotting reapers and bulwarks makes me feel things

[uncut pebble]

I drop them in 3 shots.

[vernal trench]

Weapon specialist for exec stance is an interesting choice

[uncut pebble]

I run it in auric maels with 0 damage taken. :)

[vernal trench]

Depends on team ofc

[uncut pebble]

Don't have the points to afford ft or I'd take that instead.

[vernal trench]

take the left side forgot the name

Its good if ur getting constant headshots

[uncut pebble]

Plus ilas still does enough damage to chaff with a crit at point blank with a headshot to instakill them and set off melee specialist.

[vernal trench]

Which is what u need for exec stance

[uncut pebble]

Like the gun doesn't care if it's a bruiser or not. It dies in one headshot if I crit, which I will.

[vernal trench]

Ilas is good tho i dont use it personally

[uncut pebble]

There's nothing on the left side I need that I didn't already take.

[vernal trench]

Hellbore is more satisfying for me when using exec stance

The left keystone

[uncut pebble]

Took precision strikes, determined, and deadshot. Determined could be dropped but I prefer being the aggressor over fishing for a ghost proc.

[hollow ibex]

ilas is annoying to build for

[vernal trench]

Its good when ur tapping constant headshots ull be punching extremely hard against anything with it

[vernal trench]

Its a good weapon but i just cant find a use for it

[uncut pebble]

Yeah no I'm not running mf, there's zero purpose to run it with ilas.

I comfortably hit gunner 2tap bps, 1taps with crit headshots, 3tap reaper bps, and 1tap shooter chaff. That's all I'm aiming my lasgun at anyway, outside of specialists, and those die in 2 shots, max.

[vernal trench]

Which ilas are u using

The faster one?

[uncut pebble]

Green one.

IIb iirc.

[devout dagger]

trying to make a nice revolver build with veteran and am wondering what would be the best paired melee weapon with it beside the duelling sword, any suggestions?

[vernal trench]

Which one is that

[uncut pebble]

Blue one struggles to hit the 2tap bps on gunners and brown one struggles to hit 1tap bps on gunners.

Green is objectively the best model.

[hollow ibex]

fast firing one

[vernal trench]

Idk which ome that is

[uncut pebble]

No, fast one is blue.

[hollow ibex]

ok IIb is the fast one

[uncut pebble]

Blue is fast, brown is slow, green is middle ground.

[vernal trench]

Xii?

[hollow ibex]

that's all i remember

idk colors

[uncut pebble]

I dont bother remembering model names anymore.

[calm shard]

weird that it's the only on dodge talent that seems to do this

[vernal trench]

Duck and dive is good

[uncut pebble]

The only gun models that matter to me are agri and vraks autogun.

The rest can be referred to by color, it's easier that way.

[uncut pebble]

Can you imagine how busted zealout would be if ghost proc'd duellist?

[vernal trench]

I dont even look at the model so i can never

[hollow ibex]

it might then be on par with psyker

[vernal trench]

Does it work with second wind?

[uncut pebble]

No.

The only dodge talent ghost procs is duck and dive.

Which sucks unbelievably bad.

[vernal trench]

Lmao

[uncut pebble]

Vet favoritism yet again.

[hollow ibex]

hmm interesting, do you need stam curios for it?

[vernal trench]

U always wabt +3 anyway

[calm shard]

also blue ilas doesn't really have that hard of a time getting the gunner 2 shot

[uncut pebble]

I run a 3 Stam and 2 17% toughness on all builds. I never run hp or wounds.

[vernal trench]

I like my hp

[calm shard]

superiority complex+either of the 2 damage keystones gives it

[uncut pebble]

I dont even run hp perks on them.

[vernal trench]

I dont enjoy having 80 healh on havocs without health curio

[calm shard]

can also use exe stance

[uncut pebble]

Counterargument, you have iron will, don't let your toughness get broken.

[vernal trench]

Its gonna happen all the time

[uncut pebble]

:)

[tough tiger]

Bro

[uncut pebble]

No damage taken until 3/4 of the way through h40.

[vernal trench]

Iron will wont save u from even one shotgunner if u accdienrally get shot

[tough tiger]

U die in 2 hits in havoc

[faint beacon]

@uncut pebble Cause I can't send images in #zealot-class, the art for Trench Crusade goes incredibly hard

[uncut pebble]

Then don't get hit.

[tough tiger]

Focus on not getting hit instead of being 1 hp tankier

[uncut pebble]

OH IVE SEEN THE ARTILLERY WITCH FROM THIS

[vernal trench]

Easy to do seeing how u like stacking golden toughness

[faint beacon]

Thats an Iron Sultanate Assassin FYI

[calm shard]

and brown ilas hits one shot breakpoints again with minimal effort

[faint beacon]

what I sent

[tough tiger]

Here he goes with his gold toughness elitism again

[uncut pebble]

You got a problem with that, agro dumper?

[calm shard]

brown ilas just sucks because green ilas hits the same one shot and has better ammo/handling/fire rate

[uncut pebble]

What are you gonna do? Infiltrate when things get sketchy?

Noob?

[vernal trench]

Iron will wont save u much when u got no golden toughness

[grand perch]

may you countersnipes be accurate and your bosses melt away

[uncut pebble]

Yeah it will lol.

You're just bad.

[faint beacon]

Yeah this thing? LMAO

[vernal trench]

Lmao says the one that crutches on shout and 2 books stacked on top of each other

And still complaining about emperors fading light

[uncut pebble]

I avoid damage by having golden toughness and not getting hit, you avoid damage by running infiltrate.

[grand perch]

ive come to prefer brown ilas in h40, at least on exe + mf build

[uncut pebble]

We are not the same.

[uncut pebble]

Yeah that shit goes hard.

[vernal trench]

I dont even go invis most of the game

I use it strategically

id like to see u play and get that no damage taken

[uncut pebble]

Jokes aside I do not take melee damage unless something gets really, really fucked.

[vernal trench]

Mind backing up ur claims

And get on and do a 40 rn

[quartz nymph]

This a cowboy build?

[uncut pebble]

Like all the damage I take is ranged damage in havocs.

And thats because I'm used to auric thresholds for getting toughness cracked.

[vernal trench]

sounds like a skill issue cuz thats the most avoidable damage

[uncut pebble]

50 shooters:

[vernal trench]

Ur a vet

Dont let them stack up to even 20

[tough tiger]

Bro is talkkng out his ass lmao

[calm shard]

you cannot avoid ranged damage in this game unless you are playing perfectly on veteran specifically

[uncut pebble]

Yeah he's got a bit of an ego on him.

[calm shard]

if you miss ONE headshot you're gonna get shot

[vernal trench]

Shoots dont damage ur health until ur toughness is fully broken

[vernal trench]

Position urself in a good spot

[uncut pebble]

Runs infiltrate like a huge noob, says golden toughness is a crutch, and likes fading light despite it being a shite way of executing difficulty.

[tough tiger]

And they break it how fast? 2 - 3 shots?

[uncut pebble]

This is why I run gunker and just remove fading light as a mechanic.

[calm shard]

enemies can, and will shoot you through microscopic gaps in terrain that you cannot shoot back through

[vernal trench]

Its most avoidable but im not saying its completely avoidable ur gonna get ur toughness broken atleast a couple times by gunners a lot of games

[uncut pebble]

Havocs are so much more enjoyable that way.

[tough tiger]

Bro is giving tips that he read off an ai chatbot now

[calm shard]

if you've ever played any of those sandy maps in the past...foreverr you know exactly what I'm talking about

[vernal trench]

Refinery delta?

[uncut pebble]

My group runs 2 books to skip that giant first room in refinery delta, it's so fucking nice.

[vernal trench]

theres only one sandy map on havoc

[uncut pebble]

That first room is straight aids.

[vernal trench]

Thats why i said iron will is good if u got golden toughness but its nowhere near as reliable if u dont

[vernal trench]

Just pull them back into the hallway

[uncut pebble]

No, we skip that shit.

It's so much easier to have everything bottleneck itself in the stairwell.

[vernal trench]

its better than fighting them upstairs with all of them following u if they spawn a boss and a captain

[vernal trench]

they can hop in behind u through the doors

[uncut pebble]

The boss never spawns until after you take the elevator. :)

[vernal trench]

Yea it spawns as soon as u reach the medicae area

[uncut pebble]

Then you skip the giant open room, bottleneck everything in the stairs, and then you can take the elevator once everything is dead.

The only things that will take doors are shooters.

[vernal trench]

U can funnel them through the chokepoint before going into the giant open room

[uncut pebble]

Melee elites will chase you up the stairs.

[vernal trench]

i mean ig that works too

[uncut pebble]

Shooters will position to have LOS on the door you hold at. Taking position atop the stairs forces them to take a door to get LOS or come up through your bottleneck and die.

[vernal trench]

Can never predict what randoms whana do so theres no way ill do that

[uncut pebble]

Then don't play with randoms. :)

[vernal trench]

I gotta do my havocs and not everyone is on whenever i play

And sometimes randoms is fun even tho they are frustrating most of the times lmfao

I just dont get why complain about emperors fading light

Its avoidable most of the times if u have good positioning and its what makes havoc havoc

[uncut pebble]

I've made my point several times.

It's not a good way to execute difficulty.

[vernal trench]

U never provide better and alternative solutions

[uncut pebble]

I have several times, actually.

[vernal trench]

u wont stand there and let melee hit u why do that with gunners

[uncut pebble]

You just don't listen. :)

[vernal trench]

Well i didnt see them so type them out

[uncut pebble]

Ok, so the first issue is fatshark needs to fix spawn mechanics.

Then audio engine issues.

Both are extreme issues.

[vernal trench]

Yea sometimes

[uncut pebble]

Not even sometimes.

[vernal trench]

Hows that gonna increase the difficulty

[uncut pebble]

It's an extremely prevalent issue in high difficulties.

[vernal trench]

Itll make it easier cuz u can actually hear silent bursters

[vernal trench]

it is in specific areas

[uncut pebble]

Do you understand that a working audio engine means they can spawn more things without people complaining that it's unfair?

[vernal trench]

Most of the time it works as intended tho

[vernal trench]

They dont because of hardware

[uncut pebble]

No.

Hordes are gimped because of hardware.

Specialists and elites are not.

That's an entirely separate issue.

[vernal trench]

They cant infinitely spawn even more stuff the game will lag

[vernal trench]

Yea but theyd do that anyway if they wanted to

They already increased specialist spawns a lot on havocs

[uncut pebble]

Specialists and elites have horrible spawning and positioning mechanics atm.

[solar monolith]

honestly i just want em to make crushers make more noise

[vernal trench]

Lmfao yea

[uncut pebble]

For example, bursters spawning in places where they physically can't get to you.

So they just sit there, tick, and explode without ever being an issue.

[solar monolith]

it's hard to hear em stompin when some dipshit is screaming FIRE DEATH RENEWAL right into your ears from a mile away

[vernal trench]

Fatshark too lazy to spawn burtsers separately

[uncut pebble]

Also, the choices the director makes on elite spawns is TERRIBLE.

I do NOT want to fight 4 bulwarks at the same time.

[wanton dawn]

I do

[vernal trench]

Yea but its hiw the game is

[uncut pebble]

Especially when the director says "here, I'm gonna wedge a dreg rager inside this bulwark's asscheeks, fuck you."

[vernal trench]

Id do a while bulwark game for shits and giggles if i can

I mean its why bulwarks exist

To fuck u

It just sounds like u wanna have whatever u find difficult to change

[uncut pebble]

Bulwarks should be a displacement elite, not enable another enemy to be fucking invulnerable because they stand inside their hitbox.

[vernal trench]

Gunners are hard, lets change it so its somehing i like more

[vernal trench]

they do push u around a ton so idk what u mean

[wanton dawn]

Well, sounds like displacement to me

[vernal trench]

Exactly

[solar monolith]

bulwark shieldbash should have knockback like bon tailswipe imo

[wanton dawn]

They did fix the shield hitbox

[vernal trench]

if u dont let it displace u and u just stand in one spot to fight 5 bulwarks and a horde its a positionijg issue

[uncut pebble]

Bulwarks should not allow other enemies to sit inside their hitbox.

That's what I'm getting at.

[vernal trench]

They do that with crushers too

[uncut pebble]

This means a bulwark and another elite can hold the same cell on you and hit you at the same time.

[wanton dawn]

Trapper through horde do be a bit bullcrap sometimes

[uncut pebble]

That isn't "difficulty," that's bullshit.

[vernal trench]

Lmao ive had a mauler overhead through a bulwark

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, and thats bs, it shouldn't happen.

[vernal trench]

Lmao

[hollow ibex]

man this is why i love flamer/infernus

bulwark racism

fuck bulwarks

[vernal trench]

Yea but aside from that bulwarks are good

[uncut pebble]

So before you can properly even look at what good difficulty is, you have to address issues like that.

[vernal trench]

I just chuck my grenades and call it a day

[vernal trench]

well be here all day

[wanton dawn]

Aren't we ?

[vernal trench]

Id like them to keep emperors fading light 2

Even bump it up to 3 for future havocs

[uncut pebble]

I think bulwarks have a slight bit too much hp but that's just a me thing. Outside of their hitbox jank, lock on mechanics are also annoying. They can walk through your hitbox and just force you to sit still until they either kill you or someone kills the bulwark for you.

[vernal trench]

But they should add special enemies just for higher havocs instead of infinitely deleting our health and toughness

[uncut pebble]

Like you physically can't move.

The only thing you can do is throw a grenade at your feet, and, failing that, pray.

[vernal trench]

That never happens to me cuz i dont get close enough they shield bash me to lose all my stamina

just dont let them walk straight up to u

[uncut pebble]

They lock onto teammates and walk through me all the time.

Like, why is the bulwark locking onto the smiteker in the rear?

[vernal trench]

Back up if u see one why would u let him just walk through ur team

Ull back up if u see a crusher or fight it

[uncut pebble]

Are you like, purposefully dumb, or is it natural?

Genuine question.

[vernal trench]

Ur telling me ur letting a bulwark walk straight up into and past u to get to a guy in the backlines

And that guy is a smyker thats smiting

Wtf

[uncut pebble]

I'm not letting him do anything.

[vernal trench]

.

[uncut pebble]

Im giving a hypothetical.

[uncut pebble]

Again, not letting him do anything.

[vernal trench]

Then dont let the hypothetical be a real thing

Its a non issue

Idk what ur talking about man

[uncut pebble]

I dont think you can comprehend hypotheticals.

[vernal trench]

just dont let them get close

[vernal trench]

Why hypothetical if u can avoid it tho

consistently and should be

And whats with the name calling saying im stupid or whatever

[uncut pebble]

Go ahead and take the zealout pill and see what you can do to stop a bulwark from walking through you. :)

[vernal trench]

Id just dodge next to him to hit his left side

[uncut pebble]

(here's a hint, it's nothing if you aren't running hammer or crusher)

[vernal trench]

hes not walking into anyone

like ur complaining about gunners which u can just not stand in open for

[uncut pebble]

You do realize he will still keep going the direction he wants to and won't stop for you, right?

[vernal trench]

Bulwarks that u can just dodge away or just find another way to kill them

[vernal trench]

Thats how u kill them my guy

U dodge to the left and stun them if u can

Or let them swing open their sheilds to hit them

[wanton dawn]

Could be worse. Could be a head tentacle reaper upon ye

[vernal trench]

[uncut pebble]

You're saying you can stop them lol, if you don't have a method of stunning them, you aren't stopping them if they're not locked onto you.

[vernal trench]

Yea thats pretty bad

Those guys do be reaping

Ragers be ragin

[wanton dawn]

Gunner be gunnin

[vernal trench]

Yea u just back up away from them

[uncut pebble]

My point with this is enemies lock onto players they reasonably shouldn't.

[vernal trench]

ragers are skidrow members who got taken away from their tents

[vernal trench]

muties running through u lmfao

[uncut pebble]

You would think the ogryn or zealout holding the front line would be the first people melee elites choose, but I've seen entire groups of ragers just say "fuck you" and run through my team to rip my face off when playing psyker.

[wanton dawn]

I dont get this one mate

[vernal trench]

i mean it is what it is i dont really see an issue with an enemy locking onto someone thats further away from u cuz they backed up away from u

[vernal trench]

U gotta experience the skid urself to understand

[wanton dawn]

The only ski i experienced ended up with head toilet

[vernal trench]

U sure theyre not jsut attacking u because u damaged them with ur staff?

Thats how locking on works

[uncut pebble]

Completely untouched, fresh spawns.

[vernal trench]

No please

they do be like that sometimes

[uncut pebble]

Note that I main gunker on psyker. I don't touch staves outside of CIVI or when I'm on bubble duty.

[vernal trench]

funny but happens

[faint beacon]

its mainly cause they prioritize whoever they saw first or hit hit them first

Psyker is notiorious for having any of their damage just happen to hit an elite

[uncut pebble]

That's the thing, though. They didn't see me first and I didn't hit them.

[vernal trench]

I mean i dont reallt see an issue with the lock ons like ur saying

[uncut pebble]

The director just says "fuck you" and makes 12 ragers target me lol.

[vernal trench]

Its goofy but its just part of the game

[faint beacon]

They also swap agro depending on who has dealt more damage to them

[uncut pebble]

Again, fresh spawns.

[faint beacon]

Unlucky I guess

[vernal trench]

They prolly saw u first

[wanton dawn]

Rofl, i think brainwave are different on this one

[uncut pebble]

I can understand them swapping if I hit them, but I hadn't hit them.

[faint beacon]

cause at that point its more so just director spawns and chooses a person

[uncut pebble]

They walked through 3 people to get to me lil bro.

[vernal trench]

[faint beacon]

they go after that person till said conditions are met

[vernal trench]

Well what is ur team doing letting hem do that

[vernal trench]

Is this based in code?

[uncut pebble]

Do you comprehend that people don't let elites do anything?

You physically cannot stop 12 dreg ragers without having something like chorus/shout/smite ready and prepared to drop them.

[vernal trench]

Stun or kill them

[uncut pebble]

Actually, no, you wouldn't comprehend that, you'd just infiltrate at the sight of them.

[vernal trench]

yea thats true at that point keep backing up until uve killed all of them though

[uncut pebble]

:)

[vernal trench]

na id mag dump or hit them lmao

And dont u use shout on vet?

Just spam it and get that golden toughness while knocking them back

[uncut pebble]

I dont play vet in havoc. I play gunker.

Again, fading light sucks, I remove that mechanic to make the game fun again.

[vernal trench]

Sucks sometimes

[uncut pebble]

No, sucks all the time.

[vernal trench]

Its havocs unique mechanic

If u cant handle it

Just dont play havoc

havocs an optional gamemode

[uncut pebble]

Brother you main infiltrate, actually stfu.

[vernal trench]

I can play literally anything lmao

Infiltrate just has the best ability to solo clutch a game

[uncut pebble]

"If you can't handle it" I've very clearly handled it many times already, doesn't change the fact that it's a shitty modifier.

[vernal trench]

Clear frontlines and provide support

get on rn imma see how u handle it lmao

on ur gunker

[uncut pebble]

You? Clearing frontlines? With infiltrate? Are you sure we're talking about the same ability?

The ego on you is immeasurable man.

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[vernal trench]

U gotta open up ur mind a little bit lmao

[wanton dawn]

Looks like a cock fight rn ngl

[vernal trench]

u cant even comprehend how good infiltrate is

[vernal trench]

hell yea

https://tenor.com/view/cock-fight-namma-veettu-pillai-kodi-pandem-pandem-kollu-hen-gif-2044224703685810025

[uncut pebble]

Ah right dumping aggro is so good, I'm sure my team loves it when I do that.

[vernal trench]

Hes getting pretty heated tbf im just wondering why hes so pissed for no reason and calling names

[wanton dawn]

🤷

[vernal trench]

I mean u play gunker and eat up all the ammo on a psyker

[uncut pebble]

Cry about it, nothing gets to shoot at you.

[vernal trench]

If i see someone doing that in pubs they better not be dying

[vernal trench]

then why complain about emperors fading light

And whats with the aggressive tone

[uncut pebble]

Critical thinking aint your strongsuit, is it?

fading light sucks
I play the class that removes fading light as a mechanic

[vernal trench]

Why are u acting like a child calling me names when we are just having a conversation?

[vernal trench]

Only class that really struggles with it is ogryn

but some good ogryn players out there can just find a way to deal with it

[uncut pebble]

Said ogryn players have people that remove shooters for them.

[vernal trench]

Its always fun to play with a godgryn and get ur ass carried

[uncut pebble]

Or they take 4 hours to clear.

[wanton dawn]

Am gonna watch a video. Get up. Take a shower. Breakfast. By the time i get back vet chat will be back to death state, hopefully.

[vernal trench]

Na

U havent seen the godgryns

Those guys just go in and go in hard

[uncut pebble]

Are these "godgryns" in the room with us now?

[vernal trench]

Real carries

[vernal trench]

Yea but i aint bouta ping them for no reason

[uncut pebble]

I've never met a competent ogryn main.

[vernal trench]

just cuz u havent seen it or dont understand how it works

Dont mean it isnt a great choice

[uncut pebble]

I'm not saying they don't exist, they just must be actual unicorn rarity.

[vernal trench]

Yea cuz u dont even play pubs

[vernal trench]

I mean so are good players though

Havoc pubs*

[uncut pebble]

I play pubs all the time, most players in them struggle to breathe and walk at the same time.

[vernal trench]

ogryn is a difficult class so yea theres very little really good ogryn players

But some of them can straight carry or solo the game cuz somehow they just can

[uncut pebble]

"Somehow." (they kill things)

(Pickaxe and shield are op)

[vernal trench]

Well yea but ofc its not that simple if ur that good on ogryn

U said u havent even seen a good ogryn

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, they're actual unicorns.

[vernal trench]

Op if people use it right and it still takes a lot of skill

yea they are

[uncut pebble]

It does not take a lot of skill to heavy attack the entire game.

[vernal trench]

Takes a lot of skill to get good on an ogryn

[uncut pebble]

What does take a lot of skill is knowing when and where to pop indomitable, position your big ass so you dont get ripped apart by bullets, and manage every melee elite this side of atoma when inevitably your teammate eats an overhead.

[vernal trench]

If its just as simple as spamming heavies and calling it a day we would be seeing godgryns left snf right

[vernal trench]

then why dont u do it?

[uncut pebble]

Because I can't stand how slow ogryn is.

[vernal trench]

U got such an ego and talk down on others like good ogryn players which are very hard to get to that point btw

[uncut pebble]

I run all the speed stuff on psyker so I move like a daemon.

[vernal trench]

But u complain about simple stuff like gunners shooting faster

I just dont understand u man

[sullen jackal]

    disabled = -2,
    distance_to_target = 3,
    occupied_slots = -2,
    stickiness_bonus = 12,
    stickiness_duration = 8,
}```

[uncut pebble]

I never said anything about gunners or reapers being an issue.

I said chaff shooters should not be able to down you by themselves.

As in one, single guy.

[vernal trench]

Gunners shooting faster is caused by emperors fading light

[vernal trench]

Im stupid so what does this mean

[uncut pebble]

Formula for rager targeting, it seems.

[vernal trench]

Theyre shooting at u why shouldnt they

U can get downed by a single little scab guy

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, one single chaff shooter should not be able to down you.

That's dumb.

[vernal trench]

a single chaff melee unit can too

[uncut pebble]

Gunners and reapers ripping off your face is fine.

[vernal trench]

Why cant a shooter do the same

[uncut pebble]

How many times must I remind you that the director throws 30 shooters at you at a time and then makes them fan out and take cover?

[sullen jackal]

Rager targeting. They dislike targeting disabled targets or targets with a lot of occupied slots already. Distance matters slightly more than horde targeting, stickiness matters a lot and they'll try to stick to a target for 8 seconds before moving to another one.

[vernal trench]

U wont stand there and let a single melee unit hit u to death why would u let a single chaff shooter shoot u to death

[uncut pebble]

The difficulty scaling there is significantly different.

[sullen jackal]

can we like be a little less aggro maybe and possibly try to understand other people and what they're saying

[vernal trench]

So does this make them target someone in the backlines straight from spawning?

[uncut pebble]

I've said it like 17 times and he seems to still not understand it.

[vernal trench]

Hes been namecallingnme for like 30 mins now cuz im giving him valid solutions to trivial problems

[vernal trench]

Yea its kinda how shooters work

[pure kindle]

TBH it helps a ton that nobody can even take the safety off their lasgun in a 200m-radius from you without getting a huge BWEEEEEECROUCH AND SLIDE RIGHT NOWEEEEEE sound effect, but the only indication there's a Crusher ready to wreck my shit directly behind me is when the rest of my team looking over my shoulder and pulling out their Bolters.

[vernal trench]

Idk why u would expect them to all stand still in a straight line and not shoot u or whatever

[uncut pebble]

So 30 enemies that can down you by themselves, each, from a range of 30 or so meters, being thrown at you at the same time, doesn't even register in your head as a little bit unfair?

Note that they aren't elites either.

Just chaff shooters.

[vernal trench]

A single shooter aint downing u from 30 m away

Their shots are inaccurate

[uncut pebble]

Yeah they are lmao.

[sullen jackal]

Sort of. Perception matters, so they'll generally from the time they see someone lock onto them for 8 seconds, then prioritize based on distance and not being as occupied.

[vernal trench]

ah i see

So if they see someone first, they lock onto them?