veteran-class

[austere mica]

Its a super minor difference either way so do what you want, just don't dump the damage stats

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[candid trout]

need that armoured leather jacket from vestaments though

or chemdog jacket

[austere mica]

Chemdogs jacket is really nice

Highest collar so it fits well with helmets

[candid trout]

why did you kek at my fit :(

[hollow ibex]

wdym why

that's the reaction you wanted right??

[candid trout]

kek means u laughing at it :(

@faint egret babe sirosky just laughed at my fit can you please thousand rat death attack them for me

[shut roost]

do krak grenades stick to targets or do they bounce around on the floor like normal grenades

[candid trout]

read the decription

[soft trellis]

It says pretty accurately in the description what it homes in on and what it sticks to

[faint beacon]

Darktide try not to crash challenge impossible

[tawdry jackal]

how's the current state of the game. I took a bit of a break

[tall torrent]

Game is overall fun but needs better optimization
Havoc can use some changes

[tawdry jackal]

gotcha, ty

[karmic egret]

i feel like my game slowed down with many fire effects

[tall torrent]

Could use mods to help with that

Maybe

[karmic egret]

i should probably just lower the settings

i noticed today playing on higher difficulties like auric damnation

[tall torrent]

I run mostly medium/low

[terse pagoda]

dump stat for revolver mobility?

[formal ice]

Ofcouse

[shrewd nova]

@tall torrent Oh, do you have a good talent setup for revolver/rashad btw?

[orchid hemlock]

reload if you are using WS

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/1327912507150565436/IMG_2005.png?ex=67954525&is=6793f3a5&hm=abb732f2d66df77bd282f8ad97706c62ab212a3a383b02838c88fa386302eab9&

[shrewd nova]

Okay, not too different than what I thought then.

ty so much

[shut roost]

green or blue recon lasgun for veteran?

[faint egret]

i just woke up sorry

[trim steppe]

Does revolver benefit from Determined's suppression immunity?

[tall torrent]

Yes

It’s nice to have

In a pinch when u have to snipe a gunner

[trim steppe]

Ok good to know I haven't been wasting that point lol. I like being able to eliminate any threat regardless of positioning

[shut roost]

does the toughness and damage boost from covering fire also apply to me? or is it only my allies?

[formal ice]

Only allies

(I am holding to not say duh)

[austere mica]

If it applied to you it would actually be good, but it doesn't

[shut roost]

ive encountered stuff like this in other games (mainly warframe) where the wording doesnt really match what it actually effects (like abilities that affect allies also affecting you) so I wanted to make sure

[austere mica]

FS games are riddled with it

I don't think you could find anyone in a live game who could accurately describe what Skullcrusher does

[formal ice]

Tbh true

I'll let this slide then

[tall torrent]

Only teammates

[sleek garden]

you have to hit an enemy that is already staggered

so if you are fighting one enemy, if your first hit staggers, your second hit will apply skullcrusher, and then only after that do they take increased damage

[austere mica]

I know this

And you aren't in a live game now are you

[sleek garden]

no i just got off after failing auric hishock rolling steel thrice

[austere mica]

Oooofff

[sleek garden]

i can only shoot so many elites and throw so many grenades

skullcrusher good for shock maul

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/bvndit-dead-chat-dead-group-chat-lol-gif-26075659

[dapper plank]

FINALLY

[loud belfry]

yo......

[warm bolt]

What are the blessings for the braced autogun?

and the build if there's any

[hollow ibex]

standard brauto

build you can center around VOC or exec stance

[warm bolt]

Uh huh, i see

Thanks mate!

[dry cloak]

graia the best brauto

[next vortex]

Boltgun or Bolt Pistol?

[dry cloak]

depends on what you want

[hollow ibex]

ngl graia braced with exec stance is almost not a meme build

almost

actually pretty damn solid

[hollow ibex]

they do different things, bolter is better as a primary, bistol is better as your secondary

[thick rose]

pistol is really fun for lower level havoc grinding. just zoom around hip firing

works nice with always prepared weapon specialist

[next vortex]

Gotcha, was thinking which is better to pair with Dueling sword. Seems like Bistol is better for my playstyle

[hollow ibex]

if you're going to be using the DS as a primary then yeah take bistol

bolter is very strong but really shines with exec stance

[proven garden]

Is there a “best gun” for exe stance or are there just a couple that give the same results

[hollow ibex]

wouldn't say there is, since exec stance provides super generic (but good) buffs

[proven garden]

Bet

[hollow ibex]

bolter exec stance might be one of the strongest vet builds in the right hands

but so many guns work well with exec stance

you could even do revolver exec stance

[proven garden]

I was thinking hellbore for some reason

Maybe hellbore doesn’t even need it ngl i heard it already oneshot pretty much everything

[hollow ibex]

helbore would be good

exec stance also has the huge benefit of instant draw

[wanton dawn]

Bolter is probably the gun that benefit the most from exe stance

[hollow ibex]

which offsets helbore's bullshit

[remote sonnet]

Exe Stance can make ILG very strong because it cuts down many break points.

[proven garden]

Oh true that’s sick

Slide a boltgun build rq

And a hellbore one too if you got that

[slow depot]

surgical on a bolter is killer

[hollow ibex]

i can't stand helbore

[remote sonnet]

Nah, shattering impact and puncture.

[wanton dawn]

Basically, bolter has great ads, not bad dumpfire, no falloff, "one shot one kill", can gain one shot on ogryn, etc...

[remote sonnet]

By the time surgical gets into effect, you are a piece of Swiss cheese already.

[wanton dawn]

Surgical is like, 20% base if you are aiming

Sorry, if you are waiting for the gun to settle

[hollow ibex]

3 flex points

this is what i use on bolter

for melee, dclaw or heavy sword

actually you can prob get away without rending strikes

[remote sonnet]

It is 0.3 sec/stack for bolt gun, slow as hell.

[hollow ibex]

so 4 flex points

[wanton dawn]

Ah ! Mine is way stupider. I do know your version though

[wanton dawn]

It's 0.2

[tough tiger]

Cringe

[hollow ibex]

tbf shattering impact and puncture is very funny against crushers

[wanton dawn]

Anyway, I know the mark version of the bolter exe too

I have another one for mark

2s

[hollow ibex]

yeah you can do mark too, idk if it makes much of a difference

[tough tiger]

Using bolter on crusher is a waste of ammo

[wanton dawn]

I meant mark as tag

my bad

Marksman focus i write mf

[hollow ibex]

oh aight

[wanton dawn]

Makes ppl flinch, its funnier

"That's what exe does to a mf"

never ending pun fun

[hollow ibex]

depends on the team and the situation, it can be fair game

shattering impact + puncture is really good on zealot

[tough tiger]

There is no depends, it just isnt good

[remote sonnet]

Exe Stance with las weapons are usually my go.

[hollow ibex]

nah there's definitely room for nuance

[wanton dawn]

Here's the bolter mark idea:

Using tag to feed stamina to deadshot

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah deadshot bolter can be funny

be sure to take redirect fire

[wanton dawn]

This version does less damage than mf, but it might be better for team

[remote sonnet]

Deadshot on helbore, big crit time.

[wanton dawn]

This version though, is funnier:

[tough tiger]

Why run mark if u already use exec stance for bolter

Ur not gonna kill anything faster

[wanton dawn]

I just answered that

[wanton dawn]

Right here

[tough tiger]

U wanna know what really helps the team? More grenade talents

[wanton dawn]

U wanno know what really helps the game? VoC Plasma tag

But playing meta all day is tiring

[hollow ibex]

i can't live without demo team

[solar monolith]

Run onslaught recon to help the team with crushers

+deadshot to help the team with extra ammo management

[wanton dawn]

You meant stockpile ?

[hollow ibex]

oh yes

the 60 sec regen

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, it is gun commitment

It is bad at clutching

Tag variant is more balanced

[hollow ibex]

mfers when they're expected to move to stay alive

https://tenor.com/view/exhausted-sleep-haggard-gif-8501838

[remote sonnet]

Just a question, why Take them down instead of Rendering?

[wanton dawn]

Cuz rending barely helps bolter

Im pretty sure you hit dimishing return cap on all armor type

[remote sonnet]

I see, also I think I run different blessings.

[hollow ibex]

yeah once you hit 100% the benefit drops off massively, or something like that

[solar monolith]

Doesn't it turn into +damage or am i misremembering something else

[wanton dawn]

So getting take them down helps more against reaper at range. And boss

Well, more than rending would

[hollow ibex]

well it technically all turns into +damage, it just drops off horribly after you hit max rending

[solar monolith]

Fair

[wanton dawn]

It get 25% efficiency after cap

Also by nature of rending, the more you have the worst it becomes

so yeah, once you hit cap, 10% rending is like 2.5% more dmg

but if you had like, 200% dmg against flak

that would only be 1.25% more dmg

Carapace being the exception cuz you hit cap at 50%

[solar monolith]

Gotcha gotcha

[wanton dawn]

So yeah, rending at cap still bring you 10% more dmg

[proven garden]

Can you explain

[wanton dawn]

Which is worst than bring it down on crusher for bolter

[craggy relic]

fellas

I will say with great pride and honor

thanks to your help

Ive finally done good

[hollow ibex]

it's prob not worth getting trench fighter, so that limits your options in terms of melees you can take

[wanton dawn]

No problem. Pay us a round of moushwash sometimes

[hollow ibex]

basically it just ends up up being dueling sword, dclaw, hsword and power sword

but you really want horde clear so it's just dclaw, hsword and power sword

[remote sonnet]

I go with puncture and do 2-3 round burst.

[proven garden]

How does dclaw and h sword compare to each other

[hollow ibex]

and i hate psword so it's just hsword/dclaw

[proven garden]

Why do you dislike peeped

[hollow ibex]

hsword's better overall

dclaw still kinda sad as an actual sword, but the parry can be very nice

[hollow ibex]

personal pref, just feels bad for me. it's really janky

[remote sonnet]

Dclaw has parry, which is life saving in some situation.

Psword has better damage, but for some reason, when I use it without power on, it doesn't feel much better than most other melee.

[hollow ibex]

psword is a wet noodle without power on

so checks out

[remote sonnet]

Hell even Mk2 shovel is more useful overall vs Psword.

[proven garden]

Got it

Psword powered can stagger attacking ragers right

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[proven garden]

Psword it is

[quartz nymph]

Does anyone have a decent exe stance build? Working on the last few veteran penances

I think I'll use infantry autogun as the weapon

Agripinaa

And use mf

[proven garden]

https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046912126746374274/1332612339672809514

[quartz nymph]

Oh cool, thanks! Thinking about dropping the focus target for MF so I can double dip penance duty

[proven garden]

if its for the penance anything goes

i suggest taking camoflauge on mf to make things slightly easier

probably dont use a boltgun for this and something with either a big mag or a fast reload like a shotgun or lasgun so you can melee with mf without needing to crabwalk

[quartz nymph]

What's crabwalking?

[wanton dawn]

ppl attempting to get value from one of mf node the wrong way

[proven garden]

just permacrouching

since i think camoflauge makes it so that you dont lose stacks when crouching and walking the lazy way to do that penance is just waddling around the map stabbing or shooting everything that comes near

it really hurt my finger though and a couple guys in vc kept laughing when they saw me like that so i eventually stuck to just getting a headshot every 5 seconds

[versed merlin]

hey gamers is there a enemies bp spreadhseet for each weapon?

i remember there was an rough one back then, i just want to see mainly the last released weapons since the fanning revolver

[undone swallow]

Hey whats the dump stat on the Boltgun?

[odd sparrow]

collateral or mobility

[undone swallow]

cheers

[versed osprey]

why is that in red?

[dry cloak]

hes a slaanesh cultist so dont bother

mods most likely

[quartz nymph]

I have 246 toughness. Is that too high? It seems pretty high

[warm bolt]

They put hexcode before the message most likely

[rustic beacon]

Iirc there is a mod that automatically writes messages in the chat for you when certain things happen and they can be colored

[crimson wyvern]

Depends if you feel like you need it. I started with going for builds surrounding high toughness but eventually you feel comfortable with lowish 120's. I run +3 stamina in every slot now and it feels right

More toughness will make it great for your ranged threats but its not strictly much better at much else, unless your build is built around regenning it

[wanton dawn]

It is a tradeoff. You get less health and less stam by going with so much thoughness

[crimson wyvern]

These days the only way im going down is I put myself in a bad situation that means I get one shot, disabled, miss my parry on a crusher / mauler etc.

Doesnt matter how much health I would have had x)

[wanton dawn]

It matters if you get hit by 2 buster point blank

[crimson wyvern]

God I hate bursters

[wanton dawn]

200 damage, 100 corruption

[crimson wyvern]

Yeah thats another thing, health to me is now just a crash bandicoot lives system. How many bursters can I take...2? ok great.

Will my teammates repeated shoot the bursters in front of my face when they can clearly see me going for the shove

yes, great, thanks team

unironically the hardest enemy in the game is your teammates sensabilities sometimes

[quartz nymph]

I run usually 2x tuff 17 curios and a 3 stam or 21 health

I think my veteran builds are borked

[austere pine]

21% health 💔

[wanton dawn]

Curios major barely matters

They all have values

"Except wounds 🤓 "

[pastel yew]

honestly bad teammates are the hardest enemy in the game all the time, some people are shocking

I had a game yesterday running some friends through the special assignment on damnation

[wanton dawn]

"Except zealot wounds" 🤓 🤓

[pastel yew]

and we had a psyker who was smiting one of the twins.. trying to stun it as it stabed them to death

[austere pine]

had a psyker actively using crystalline will (blow up but don't go down) with a singular +1 wound curio

it wasn't working well but like

there was strategy in it

[quartz nymph]

I know the veteran guide mentions trying to get 200 health. I'd probably need to drop a tuff curio to hit that

[latent parcel]

You ready for my ogryn yet.

[wanton dawn]

Well, it gonna have to be later am gonna have lunch

French lunch

[latent parcel]

Couple hrs?

[wanton dawn]

The long kind

[rose flax]

@crimson wyvern Taking the last heal up when they have 80% health and got 5% and corruption at the Medicare stations.
The biggest if a trapper get someone in a net
just free them
It takes 2 secs
So many players
close to net ,leave ,attack the trapper or fight the horde or revive other players away from the netted player then failing
Ending the game
such an easy thing to get you players back into the fight.
Bad team mates are definitely the hardest to overcome.

[austere pine]

okay why would you specifically want 200 health?

[wanton dawn]

At least

[wanton dawn]

2 buster without instadying

[austere pine]

so you can take 2 bursters?

[latent parcel]

Sounds good. Need to take care of dog soon anyway

[austere pine]

i've taken many bursters directly and taken 0 damage from them

[wanton dawn]

That's called yellow thoughness

Buster does between 20 (30?) to 50 corruption dmg

[austere pine]

xd

[wanton dawn]

I mean... fs fault for punishing ammo hungry guns

[crimson wyvern]

plasma gun is just sickeningly strong in every aspect pretty much i dont blame people

the only downside it has roughly is the reload speed but the trade off is great in every other stat so why wouldnt you use it

(and the reload speed can be cheesed)

[austere pine]

the point of the screenshot was that i went into auric mael thinking "surely no one else will be like me and run a hefty ranged weapon. that'd be stupid!"

[warm bolt]

It's only stupid if it doesnt work

[unreal nova]

Truest words here. Heh.

[frank ether]

I do, its tasteless

[crimson wyvern]

if I had it my way

id be using helbore lasgun allt he time

i just suck with it

[wanton dawn]

I blame ppl that cannot peel for my crappy builds

[frank ether]

I used to, and then fatshark decided the bayonet was having it too good

its fine to have morbillion cleave weapons though

[wanton dawn]

Maybe I should revisit the hellbore

[frank ether]

the fast one is still aight

I just don't see why I'd ever touch it over lasp

besides larping

I only ever see krieg larpers use it anyway

[wanton dawn]

I am considering a hellbore/axe with ws, but then I remember the crap swap

[frank ether]

fixing swap speed would work but its also rather boring

Ideally I'd like to see a double down on bayonet but I don't think that will happen ever

here is a funny thing the animation is borked btw

if you use the swap speed talent

you don't have to wait for the full animation you can ads before it finishes

[tame lodge]

The revisionism about to go crazy

Anyways, remember to try the funny Hotshot melee interaction

Think I'll play No Respite Bayo after I'm done with 14+ stamina Ogryn

Hmmmm

If I get Armourbane

I shoot once

Then stab away with No Respite

Hmmm

Bootleg Can Opener

[serene bough]

helbore will never return to its former stabby glory

[tame lodge]

Brutal Momentum is definitely fair and balanced

[latent parcel]

bring it to havoc 40 rn

[wanton dawn]

Nah. It feels like shit

[latent parcel]

just doesnt feel like that juicy plasma ps

[tame lodge]

Make a very convoluted build where you use Exe stance to proc WS on your helbore

[wanton dawn]

Good thing we only see the top 3

[warm bolt]

What would the havoc build for helbore be?

How would you even use it

[warm bolt]

I only ever see plasma and duelling swords on vets so not even that

[inland orchid]

I’ve been sticking with my shovel, haven’t let me down yet so I’ll keep using em

happy to see new/old vets giving the dueling sword a shot tho

I’ve had my fill with it on psyker already so I don’t feel the urge to make one on my vet

[warm bolt]

Oh right

[cloud thunder]

Will probably do power sword and lasgun on mine when I make a vet

[grand perch]

Oh yeah I should try that

[dapper plank]

is frag grenade supposed to be used with uncanny, so it can clear just trash mobs? i don't get the appeal other then the short stun

[radiant chasm]

2 nades with uncanny wipes out everything below a bulwark

[unreal nova]

Bolt Pistol roomwide stagger and bleed.

[radiant chasm]

one nade softens up everything and kills horde

[dapper plank]

yeah i figures you use 2

[queen fox]

Use runngun and proximity on bp, sprint in while firing to suppress an entire ranged horde while you close to melee

[unreal nova]

3 'nades will clear anything but crushers. Assuming your team isn't hard AFK.

[queen fox]

Works every time, don't even need to hit anything, shoot the ground if skill issued

[radiant chasm]

i prefer puncture on a nade build, just for easy breakpoints

[unreal nova]

Puncture is safer to nick things though.

[radiant chasm]

lethal prox+ puncture+ vet doesn't suffer from sway as much as the other classes

[unreal nova]

Run&gun feels better on my Zealot.

[queen fox]

To me, bolt pistol is an elite/ranged delete tool, and runngun adds another role in one slot

[unreal nova]

I throw a frag and pray for twinned.

[queen fox]

Another tool I can use if I need it

[dapper plank]

i dont see how frag kills bulwalks

i can't keep uncanny up while throwing 3 nades

[light ridge]

Throw the nade, start stabbing stuff with uncanny dagger, rinse repeat

I personally don't find it reliable either

[unreal nova]

Or throw all three and stab the bulwark after you.

[radiant chasm]

how so

you just, have it stacked from melee, throw nade, stab a head, throw another nade, stab to refresh

[dapper plank]

did, bulwalk down 60%

[radiant chasm]

also i said below bulwarks but anyways, it's for softening and killing low tier elties and horde

if you have an uncanny weapon, every single one is good vs bulwarks

[rustic beacon]

I saw people mention a cowboy revolver build where you delete bosses. How does that build look like?

[dapper plank]

it's crazy how good veteran talents are

[formal ice]

Probably is from pysker

Because the revolver have some strong crit blessings and pysker have part of the tree about doing even more crits

[rustic beacon]

Ah that would make sense

[dapper plank]

what do you think

[forest scaffold]

show crate

(Did you buff it)

[dapper plank]

what's crate

[forest scaffold]

The ammo crate talent

[dapper plank]

you can see that in pic

line comes down from crate

[forest scaffold]

oh you are right

very good

[dapper plank]

figured grenades are everywhere, and team utility on that one is insane

20% chance double grenade is such a joke

should be 20% chance to not consume a grenade, way better. but maybe even 50%

[forest scaffold]

this is what I used to run on vet

with ol reliable, plasma gun and either rashad or power sword 6

[hollow ibex]

i would very strongly suggest dropping competitive urge and skirmisher

[tame lodge]

Skirmisher is weird and often not impactful

While Competitive Urge is gambling

[hollow ibex]

skirmisher is horrible

[terse idol]

Longshot is pretty bad

[sleek garden]

why do people say this about longshot

is 20% not a lot

[terse idol]

Because the damage increase to the maximum

Is so marginal

The minimum range

What like 8m or 12m?

To get 1% damage

[hollow ibex]

12.5m

[terse idol]

That crazy

[tame lodge]

12.5m yeah

[terse idol]

For 1% damage

[hollow ibex]

you only get the 20% at 30m+ lmfao

[tame lodge]

So basically it has inverse falloff

[hollow ibex]

yup

[sleek garden]

it helps with infantry lasgun/helbore

[terse idol]

I mean

[hollow ibex]

and most of the time, you'll be fortunately to even get a 10% damage bonus from longshot

[terse idol]

Not for the ilas

You're already built for the bps

So you'll still be able to 1 tap gunners before Longshot can help

[sleek garden]

depends on range for me still

i cant do it up close

[terse idol]

Longshot certainly isn't helping that

Naturally

[hollow ibex]

yup

[sleek garden]

exactly

i shoot people from far away

[terse idol]

So those people far away are gonna die still

Because you' have like +20% on flak

(Iirc)

And you got headhunter

Its like not good!

Wait wait

And I just rembered you also take superiority complex

So Longshot reaaalllly doesn't matter

Cause you're stacking the +flak and the +weak spot damage

[grand perch]

Longshit

[sleek garden]

heafhunter

i have falter because i cant one shot flamers without exy stance

[vernal trench]

Why r u a crocodile

[tropic halo]

crocs are cool and silly

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/petting-aligator-crocodile-gif-25954785

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/gator-smack-running-crocodile-shovel-funny-scared-gator-smack-running-scared-gif-12012005928439407074

[sleek garden]

huh

crododile?

[tropic halo]

I guess it not a crocodile but in fact a dragon

[vernal trench]

Crocodile

[tame lodge]

Shovel gameplay

[rocky arch]

Hey, what's a good melee weapon choice for squad leader veteran with Boltgun as main weapon?

survivalist, voice of command, focus target

[tropic halo]

Devil Claw is a fun one with my boltgun exec stance build

[rocky arch]

exe stance is an option as well
sadly it does not mark everything (god i wish)

[tropic halo]

You can use the perk that will mark all regular shooters

[rocky arch]

always

I have combat blade, chainsword, devil claw and pwoer sword already maxed out on veteran, I am thinking of something new

[tropic halo]

Dueling Sword is a good one but you did not heard it from me or people will start hunting me
But tbh devil claw, power sword and chainsword are good options

[rocky arch]

I guess I'd go for little thin blade then (wish veteran had something like Relic Blade or Great Forcesword)
it will be useful for some other classes as well, as dueling sword seem to be quite oftenly used tn psykers

[tropic halo]

Maybe next major updates, veteran get more fancy blades

[rocky arch]

especially since I play Assail and whole crit stuff

[terse idol]

DS is like

One of the best weapons rn

For vet

Dclaw kinda... sucks

For carapace

Chainsword is kinda bad

[tropic halo]

On armor is terrible but i like just for fun parries

Until a single crusher overhead depletes nearly all my stamina

[tame lodge]

Flak adms

[rocky arch]

my top melee weapon of vet so far is combat blade

the blood must flow

[terse idol]

Just perfectly parry it

[tropic halo]

My exec stance available with a crusher patrol coming in my way and activating pulling my bolter out:

https://tenor.com/view/i-started-blasting-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-danny-devito-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-blasting-gif-24425727

[rocky arch]

gotta exp my boltgun, haven't played it too much for now
played bolt pistol though, really nice

you know, my last vet was "comissar", and I took bolt pistol with chainsword just for the style points

[terse idol]

Respectable

[sleek garden]

if shouldnt deplete all your stamina if you time it right

but yeah it takes a minute to kill crushers with a devils claw

you can kinda make it faster by swinging heavies and followup attacks while crusher is recovering

but devils claw is reliable for most other things

unpopular choice but i like vicious slice or hammerblow because if you get close to a gunner your attacks won't stagger him if hes shooting

same with shotgunners

[quartz nymph]

Plasma Gun perks are Flak+Unyielding, correct?

[ebon umbra]

maniac?

[proven garden]

Flak/maniac and unarmored/elite

I don’t remember why and I don’t remember what breakpoints you hit

[grand perch]

you need unarmored for dreg gunner 1hs

[proven garden]

Good info

[pure kindle]

Chainsword is great. Slap Wrath (cleave on hit) and Bloodletting (almost maxxed bleed stacks on special) and you have a lawnmower that goes through hordes and doesn't stop until you hit an Elite that needs to be shredded: typically dying from either the special alone or the bleed after.

Even takes crushers down in two specials.

[grand perch]

shamelessly stolen from WIP video

plasma BPs

[proven garden]

Release faster inshallah

[terse idol]

Blood letting when crusher hordes will still body you

Like the whole one at a time

Saw bit

Pulls it down

[proven garden]

I mean you have a gun and you have a grenade surely you can designate one of them to handle crusher hordes

Maybe a krak to kill one and knock the rest down to let you saw a few

[terse idol]

See like

[proven garden]

Or a boltgun to just clean them all and call it a day

[pure kindle]

That's what the flak nades or plas/bolter for mass stagger are for.

Or y'know: not using mobility as a dump stat and just kiting them right.

[terse idol]

Maybe one time I believed that but the closer you can bring both weapons to do what you want the better imo

[terse idol]

not using a mobility dump stat on chainsword

Wait a minute

I talked to you before about mobility dumps

[proven garden]

If I wanted to do that I would just run dueling sword lmao

The game isn’t hard enough that it requires both of your weapons to tackle all content

Only hav 40 asks for that a little and it’s separated from the main meat of the game

I don’t need my melee to be able to one shot every enemy I can be satisfied with it only being good for horde clear

The game doesn’t throw enough enemies to make it matter unless I’m sitting in a corner waiting for the spawns to pile up so that everyone else can die and I get to clip a cool clutch

But if I wanted to do that I would just play true solo

[terse idol]

I'm just being realistic about what the weapon does

I mean it's okay

Its certainly a weapon

[terse idol]

Well now to be fair auric is a different story

The forbidden mixed hordes

[proven garden]

Yea if Grendel suddenly tells you to fuck off and play without a grenade and gun then those crusher packs start to look really terrifying especially with the rev sticking you in place

But Grendel doesn’t care enough to do that

[terse idol]

But ahain

That's why I'm mentioning a weakness

It is a weakness to be stuck revving on a single crusher

[proven garden]

No lmao aurics are still piss easy
Might be because havoc makes you shit yourself so hard that the rest of the game becomes kind of miserably boring

I think playing havoc actually made me worse at the game on account of how dogshit I play when I get bored

[pure kindle]

Damage really isn't that critical on most weapons unless you're super into breakpoint economics.

In the case of weapons like the Chainsword, missing breakpoints usually means

• "Oh no, I didn't kill that Scab Trooper in 1-2 hits! Now I'll need to make one more swing I was going to make anyway because there's 12 poxwalkers around them to cleave through!"
• "Oh no, I was 10% short of killing that elite with my spec- aaaaaaand the 14 stacks of bleed got them."

[terse idol]

Well if anything because havoc is so different from regular gameplay

[proven garden]

Yea true that

[terse idol]

I mean

[proven garden]

Enough enemy spawns to actually force some semblance of team play

You love to see it

[terse idol]

Cleave is difficult

[proven garden]

Heavy evis with the 4 enemy cleave damage cap

[dry cloak]

as long as it goes down to in 2-5bolter shots im good. bosses dont count

[proven garden]

Why did they do that to the weapon

[hollow ibex]

why do 90% of ogryn weapons suck 🤷‍♂️

[unreal nova]

They thought it was OP.

[pure kindle]

That and outside of the Psykanium White Room, most breakpoints you barely miss will be covered by constant Soul Blaze/Flamer/Autogun or Recon or Heavy Stubber spam/some Zealot stabbing asses constantly.

[proven garden]

Weapons are either outdated or because a large portion of their damage comes from talents and not the actual weapon

[grand perch]

class OP needs nerfed weapons

[proven garden]

And the players are too busy roleplaying to complain so everyone thinks it’s fine

[hollow ibex]

it really isn't even op though

[pure kindle]

It's definitely weird as hell coming from Vet who can crit/finesse boost their melee on top of bonus damage to elites, ogryn, and weakpoints, or Psyker's being finesse/cleave machines, ZEALOT, and can therefore make the Traitors regret ever turning from the Emperor's light so long as the Reject grabbed a particularly sturdy fork from the cafeteria with most of the tines still intact.

Meanwhile, Ogryn feels like they should at least be closer to Dynasty Warriors by way of Garfield. Why doesn't my Subber have an anti-aircraft mark so that each shot has Bolter AOEs? Where's my Brittleness on every hit? If I get enough crits: give me AOE suppression as anything short of Elites comes up to pick a fight, shits their pants, and thinks better of it!

[warm bolt]

Wait stubber doesnt have aoe?

[sleek garden]

whats wrong with 72% on all stats anyway

[hollow ibex]

it's just a big gun in DT

[pure kindle]

Hella suppression, no AOE on like . . . anything besides the grenades (Rumbler/Gauntlet).

[warm bolt]

Bruh

[sleek garden]

why would a gun throwing bullets have aoe

[pure kindle]

Flak

Shrapnel

[faint beacon]

Bully clubs with 3

[pure kindle]

Explosive payloads

[faint beacon]

lmao

[sleek garden]

its a mounted mg being carried around not an aa gun though

[terse idol]

I mean ahh

[warm bolt]

Make it a blessing i say

Cause dumdum is a type of rounds only stubbers have, but in darktide different guns can get them so it wouldnt be that much of a stretch

[terse idol]

Like this is why we build for breakpoints anyways because you can't always account for any trickle damage from your team, it's like more efficient to be able to handle your "horde" although yesss the game is a team game

Ranged weapon bps are different

[proven garden]

Wallahi

[terse idol]

And like cleave as a stat is just important to be able to take care of yourself easily in a horde

Worse cleave weapons and pox walkers will literally clog you

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeyquote-gif-17287897282409113653

[dry cloak]

then let us ogryns have fmj that just give plus 4 pierce of enemies

[terse idol]

Leaving you suseptible to flamers grenadiers, hounds, trappers etc

[dry cloak]

because fuck you

[warm bolt]

An ogryn is now carrying a chimera

[pure kindle]

I want that AA gun.

If you want a really bad idea: Give Ogryn (though it is a concept I have for a Beastman capstone) a Talent that lets them make their magazines and reserve ammo the same pool.

Stubber with 700/0 bullets loaded. Go wild, big g- Weird, I haven't found a single ammo pick-up the whole match and only open crates.

[warm bolt]

Cult of admonition get fucked

[dry cloak]

still im gorgonum twin stub enjoyer and nothings gonna change that

[quartz nymph]

Bless. Thank you. Looking at the BP image that other user posted it seems flak+unarmored w/ rising heat+gets hot should cover most bases with my build

[tall torrent]

flak + unarmored

[proven garden]

Just remember that venting will take away a small bit of your toughness

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1332793433277993102/losslessscaling.exe_2025.01.25_-_14.23.31.01.mp4?ex=67968c1c&is=67953a9c&hm=b0547d0906953b14bda95e34c9450f60242c0bd7f5cd929416f200624421bcdf&

[warm bolt]

[gilded peak]

Does anybody have like a class video recommendation? Like a really short and sweet this is what a veteran is.. I’m afraid the old two-year-old class video from fat shark is outdated, but something along those lines

Friends are trying to get into the game and I really like to give them a short and sweet thing to help them decide between classes for themselves…

[vernal trench]

Whats that frame

[tall torrent]

would this help
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1320852161265143878/axe.mp4?ex=6795f3af&is=6794a22f&hm=0eca17d863935d577c89880e433234f81c576d4a0d6c0e2b4857be2e45b26b6e&

[gilded peak]

YES

thats awesome

[tame lodge]

What the fragging hell is reloading 🗣️

[grand perch]

dodges as a green block bar

absolute heresy

[tall torrent]

It looks so clean wdym

[tough lagoon]

what does ranged finesse strength from marksman's focus give exactly

[timber herald]

Except no attack speed

[tall torrent]

This is not true

Finesse affecting attack speed is only in weapon RNG stat

[tall torrent]

Increases the bonus damage u get from weakspot, crit and crit-weakspot hits

[timber herald]

You just retyped what it says lol

[tall torrent]

Atk speed not included

That’s why

[tough lagoon]

so if i got 15 stacks this node effectively doubles the dmg amp from those sources?

[tall torrent]

Finesse damage is only the “bonus damage” from those attacks

For example if u do 50 base damage, 50 extra damage on weakspot hit (for 100 total on weakspot hit)

The finesse bonus only applies to the “50 extra damage on weakspot hit”

Not the 100 total

[tough lagoon]

alright thanks

[tall torrent]

@timber herald sorry abt correcting u too fast

[sly orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-laughing-don't-laugh-don'tlaugh-ishowspeed-laughing-gif-15284676702826611657

[grand perch]

Two similar looking bars so close to each other in light green and white are really hard to tell apart at a glance. At least for me, maybe it's the colour blindness

[hybrid plover]

Disclaimer that this also applies to stuff like "critical hit damage" and "weak spot damage" so they're not as big of gains as you might think.

If only Fatshark explained that better.

[tame void]

how many krak grenades does it come with the perk

[tropic halo]

2 kraks

Though I think you can have one more extra with another perk in the middle of the tree

[austere pine]

it's something you get used to

i don't use mods cuz that's all heresy for people who are too lazy to just git gud

but it's something i can imagine myself getting used to

[tame void]

so when exactly do i get good enough to know the exact amount of ammo and hp my teammates have

[austere pine]

why would you need that?

[tame void]

why not

[austere pine]

why yes?

[tame void]

knowledge is power

[austere pine]

what does this knowledge give you?

[tame void]

knowledge

[tall torrent]

Numeric UI mod

[tame void]

you missed the point

[austere pine]

knowledge for the sake of knowledge is useless

[unreal nova]

Probs to yell at someone who has orange ammo but still more than his orange ammo for stealing the ammo bag.

[tame void]

very ignorant mindset, but you do you

[austere pine]

gathering massive amounts of frankly useless knowledge, which in this case seeing the actual numbers of ammo and health is, is something that's cluttering up your brain with things that slow down your decision making process

[tame void]

bro how much ram does your brain have that knowing that slows you down

i have no issue with it

guess i got a better set up

[austere pine]

"this guy has that much ammo, that guy has that much ammo, that one that much..." and your brain is trying to remember all the specific numbers when you could just check the color of the ammo counter next to their nametag and boom, 100%, above 50%, below 50%, 0%

[tame void]

that slows you down?

[austere pine]

it's literally basic psychology that simplifying things like that makes people's brains not dwell on them that much

[tame void]

im sorry about that

guess im built different

[austere pine]

i'm sorry for you

[tame void]

sure

im faster, no need

[hearty panther]

yea i never saw the need

pickups are percentage based. the colour indicator is also percentage based. seeing a number instead provides me no new usable information

[austere pine]

i can see it be useful in literally 1 singular instance and that's when there's 2 people with flame weapons (flamer, purg) that are holding off a horde and overlapping their shooting could let the horde come too close in their downtime

[tame void]

i see, grenadier, thank you

[quartz nymph]

We don't get mods on console

..or button mapping 😦

[austere pine]

but 1. it doesn't happen enough to warrant cluttering up your brain's short term memory with numbers constantly being on screen 2. rarely is actually dangerous because a horde of groaners isn't a problem and you would both be shooting at once if it was more than just groaners or poxwalkers

[tame void]

"cluttering" 🤣

bro cant handle numbers on screne

[austere pine]

i can't with people who don't understand psychology...

go live in your world where you're a genius and perfect

[tame void]

damn right

not perfect by any means, but clearly faster faster brain

[cloud thunder]

That’s a very ignorant take. NGL

[austere pine]

i love it when a visibly sarcastically radical message gets taken literally by people ❤️‍🩹

jusst pile into me idc

[cloud thunder]

Yes. Because tone is very well translated across text? Also people who usually say that only tend to be backpedaling after being piled on.

[austere pine]

"heresy" "git gud"

[austere mica]

People unironically talk like that enough

[cloud thunder]

^

Many people talk like this and they’re serious. Because that’s the only thing they can say to “elitists” in their minds

Like a mocking tone

[vernal trench]

Havocs

Knowing how many dodges u have

[austere pine]

if you read above you'll see me defending this specific use case

[pure kindle]

If nothing else, I cherish that mod for knowing if I'm refilling a gun missing a full third of it's ammo . . . or if 20 bullets are going to be wasted and the person I can see is only at 40/88 boltpistol shots needs it more.

(Also didn't know how high/fast various debuffs applied, so I'm able to waste less time getting over the max 🩸 / 🔥 / brittleness stacks)

[tall torrent]

Which talent are u talking about

[pure kindle]

No specific talent. I'm talking about the Numeric AI mod and the various ways you can apply stacking debuffs to enemies.

[tall torrent]

Numeric UI doesn’t show debuff

[hollow ibex]

oh christ the helbore sights are really bad

[tall torrent]

There’s a separate mod that shows debuff stacks

[pure kindle]

Oh hell: I'm mixing up it, the debuff counter, and healthbars.

They all seem like such "no duh" features I have to remember them as mods, or even as different mods since they blend together so well.

[hollow ibex]

man i missed out on the P2W helbore skin with better irons

reeee

at least the mk iv's sights are a bit better

[tame lodge]

Get the 4

[sleek garden]

hmm i wonder what my teammates hp is

[tame lodge]

[sleek garden]

i look down to the long white bar and see it is half empty

must be half health

problem solved

[hollow ibex]

yeah iv's sights are def better

the two side posts help

[terse idol]

cough I mgith be late, but isn't some of the issue that the percentage like

It can be tricky because you could be

"yellow"

But because your maximum ammo is lower you're actually nearly out or less than what the colour should be

[terse idol]

also uhhh

I guess you don't play moba's

😭

[timber herald]

Yay, finally won the lottery

[hushed sparrow]

Discord didn't notify me of this response >:c

Uh, what was it

It felt like it for a while there. But I tried it again recently and it feels great

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/bvndit-dead-chat-dead-group-chat-lol-gif-26075659

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-dead-chat-xd-alive-chat-alive-chat-xd-gif-19178329

[ebon umbra]

dump ammo on plasma gun

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-jarvis-gif-22373764

jarvis start a new game in 7 minutes

pre havoc i could say you could dump ammo but idk anymore

[gilded wraith]

Any easy way to spam push attack?

[ebon umbra]

weapons with more stamina bars, increase stamina bars, weapon specialist? I'm curious tho, why do you wanna spam push attack?

[halcyon blaze]

Also context based, if you had one person who's gun has a lot of ammo but they're missing a lot, vs maybe an Ogryn who has a Rumbler, and is consistently shooting Ogryn enemies or knocking down groups of gunners, which person picking up ammo is more worthy of it?

[forest turret]

How can I create the avatar of the Krieg regiment?

[ebon umbra]

Krieg skins are in the store sometimes. They were in the shop last darktide anniversary celebration

[amber egret]

Just wondering if anybody has any tips or recommendations for the "Make Every Shot Count" penance

[shut roost]

how's the plasma gun? ive got one in my requisitorium

[ebon umbra]

use a weapon with high penetration and low ammo. Try to shoot into hordes, maybe try monstro modifier as well to inflate your accuracy.

Crutch on your melee, use the gun for the achievement.

[amber egret]

10-4, thanks for the info

[shut roost]

ill take that as a no

[tame lodge]

It's top 3 vet weapon

[shut roost]

neat you could have started with that

[tame lodge]

Damn, I wonder what that video said.....

[ebon umbra]

plasma strong

#veteran-class message

[fading yarrow]

DCed from a Havoc 40, RCed, DCed again in the loading screen after Zola's spiel

Ty Fatshark, very cool

[warm walrus]

Is tactical reload on its own fine? I was thinking of pairing it with volley adept for bolter/plasma but that might be overkill

[hard merlin]

What’s the dump stat on the Power Sword?

[vernal harbor]

if i run out of ammo i just leave and join a different match tbh

[tame lodge]

Cleave targets

It'll only dictate your cleave iirc

But when you power the sword it gets max

[fading yarrow]

Ran another H40, Warren 6-19. Three of us DCed at the same time when we were a stone's throw away from the final phase, our fourth died before we could RC

[hard merlin]

Thank you

[fading yarrow]

I'm thinking it's Joever

[vernal harbor]

but dont you want a little portrait decoration lad

what if you don’t have the cosmetic

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-care-dont-care-sigma-bully-maguire-gif-tobey-maguire-gif-27232630

[quartz nymph]

I took a double barrel. Didn't bring survivalist. Shot into hordes for the most part. Didn't take ammo pickups. Crossed fingers for no vet survivalist teammates in quickplay

[hollow ibex]

this is the way

[fading yarrow]

One more try

If someone actually puts up another H40 in the next ten minutes, that is lol

[vernal harbor]

shotguns unless fixed, will screw you on that penance 9/10 due to not counting rounds right

take a revolver with survivalist, in the ready up lobby once you’re the only survival vet, swap to the non-survival build and ready up

🚬 penances > being considerate

[fading yarrow]

Playing with a Vet who has the Seer Psyker voice

What is this witchcraft

[warm walrus]

Poke

[hollow ibex]

you don't need both

esp on plasma

plasma arguably doesn't even need any of them

tac reload is enough for bolter

[warm walrus]

really? huh, alright, plasma reloads a bit slow so thats why i asked

got it

blaze away/gets hot, unarmored... flak?

[hollow ibex]

it does, but you have a big fucking mag so you effectively don't need to reload that often

and the reload cancel shaves a good chunk off the reload time when you do reload

[warm walrus]

gotcha

[hollow ibex]

i'll defer to path's guide on the rest

#veteran-class message

[warm walrus]

but yeah which perks? im thinking blaze away and get's hot-ooh

[loud belfry]

plasma gun is hard to use if you have the urge to reload when only missing 1 bullet

[hollow ibex]

see the item's build section in the video

[warm walrus]

ignore perks and blessings

[hollow ibex]

the biggest struggle with the gun

[warm walrus]

i didn't quite god roll stats but it's good enough

i think

[ebon umbra]

this needs more attention

what

[warm walrus]

latent psyker

[hollow ibex]

yeah until you get a better one

rolling plasma is aids

i dumped 2m and still don't have a perfect one

[warm walrus]

i hear you

[vernal harbor]

the hardest truth i had to swallow this week was finally looking at the hard numbers and acknowledging how many weakspot hits simply never even registered

it’s really discouraged me from playing tbh because im such an excellent shot and it’s almost every 3rd enemy atp that im watching and hearing my hits blow their brains out and yet 0% dmg is recorded

[sleek garden]

when youre running ghost lasgun and you shoot a sniper in the head and nothing happens is unbelievable pain

its gotten me killed several times

in havocs it will instant kill you to have a headshot not register

[vernal harbor]

makes you want to you turn your mic on and start defending yourself 🤣

[vernal harbor]

stopped at 29 because of this, if I could havoc 40 without playing the (1) way I would

[hollow ibex]

it really does feel like this

[vernal harbor]

plasma and ds is so god DAMN BORINGGG

[sleek garden]

i beat a havoc 40 one time basically hard carried

i tried my best but i really wasnt that helpful

[versed merlin]

Are infantry lasguns any good? And what about the headhunters?

[sleek garden]

my builds dont work in havoc

inflas is my favorite ever

headhunter is

something i want to be good

[hollow ibex]

they're all mid

usable, but mid

[sleek garden]

lies and deception

[vernal harbor]

refer to what I said above for my answer

[sleek garden]

non registering headshots will get you killed

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/a-few-good-men-you-cant-handle-the-truth-jack-nicholson-gif-19436076

[tall torrent]

Play axe

[sleek garden]

but otherwise enjoy your 1.5k damage headshots with 30 in the mag

[hollow ibex]

yes, specifically tac axe

[sleek garden]

no

achlys combat axe

[tame void]

set a macro

[versed merlin]

Wait what didn't know that was a thing

[vernal harbor]

as a man who’s died on the kantrael hill several times it’s so humiliating to know they can hear me dump 10 rounds into a ranged non-elite and it’s still not dead because all 10 shots didn’t get picked up by the server

i will still die for my kantrael lasgun and pistol but Jesus Christ the opposition is not wrong

atp im on the heretics team with how much im helping fuck us

[sleek garden]

im also a devils claw user

[versed merlin]

Same

[sleek garden]

life is tough for the little guy

[versed merlin]

But i only run it on zealot

Vet i like the folding shovels

[sleek garden]

why do veterans keep running stupid duelling sword plasma and kraks and then leave when they die to a horde

how are they dying with voice of commands

[versed merlin]

But yeah its rough, thought that after all this time since last i played vraks and kantrael would be in a good spot somehow

Sucks they still suck

[sleek garden]

they are perfectly good

with marksmans focus and current exy stance they're probably the best theyve ever been

its just that they got power crept to hell

like assail does the same job with higher suppression

[versed merlin]

Whats assail?

[sleek garden]

voice of command sends everyone running and you cant lose toughness to shots

[hollow ibex]

they can be ok/usable, just not meta

[vernal harbor]

go ahead

swing that overhead

i wish you would

[tough tiger]

Dclaw gang

[vernal harbor]

the haters trusted sword

[barren nimbus]

You could probably beat havoc 40 with a bolt pistol/gun or revolver tbh. Just plasma works best with veterans dog shit keystones

[vernal harbor]

no matter what happens to anyone else at the very least someone’s getting cut the fuck down in this next exchange

[hollow ibex]

vet keystones are good though

[versed merlin]

Well yeah that's the thing. Whats the difference between the meta and the good? My comfortable difficulty is auric t5, sometimes maelstrom and i dont run plasma as gameplay is boring asf so my fav loadout is the sniping shotty (forgot the name) with shovel and i do just fine. But with something like kantrael, from when I played it before, i didnt do shit with it and struggled a lot to deal with specials during hordes

[hollow ibex]

besides MF at least

[versed merlin]

Sorry, was replying to this

[vernal harbor]

yeah but then i started asking myself “why give a fuck” since every havoc 40 ive met have been pre-servitors

[shut roost]

how are my weapons?

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-punching-kicking-beating-up-gif-23663820

[tough tiger]

I have tried, it doesnt work. Ammo expenditure is not worth it

[vernal harbor]

until you can get the masteries to max don’t even worry about it just have fun and you’ll hardly even notice

[tough tiger]

X1.5 elite hp screws with you bad

[tall torrent]

can be a lot better for sure

[shut roost]

do tell

[tall torrent]

flak
crit chance
dum dum
infernus

for recon XII

as for melee I think ur better off with an anti-armor option than chainsword if u want to run recon

[shut roost]

my current loadout seems to do fine, I like the extreme fire rate of the recon lasgun because I can burst down an elites forehead or clear a horde

[barren nimbus]

Tbf it’s not like the plasma gun does a lot of damage either. It can take like 5 shots to kill a gunner

[shut roost]

not going to clear a horde with the recon lasgun of course but in a pinch it works

[tall torrent]

Takes 2 (up to 4 if pus hardened) for both gunners unless u built it wrong

[tough tiger]

Plasma can do sth no other gun can, cleave through a line of enemies

Thats where the efficiency comes from

Its amazing against a funnel of shotgunners

[versed merlin]

Revolver can cleave, no?

[tough tiger]

After the enemy mass buff and in havoc? Yeah forget about that

[versed merlin]

Oh mb i dont know anything about havoc

[tall torrent]

Much lower cleave than plasma

[shut roost]

why dumdum?

[tall torrent]

Get +30% close damage by playing the game

Headhunter is bait on recon

It’s nowhere as good as people think it is

[tough tiger]

Is the recon 12 the slow one? Is it good at procing infernus even?

[vernal harbor]

the greatest trick the meta sweats every pulled was convincing the world they should give a shit

[tall torrent]

it's the high firerate one

[tough tiger]

U wanna know why ppl give a shit? Cuz u lose deployments if u fail

Run off meta all u want as long as its your deployment

[shut roost]

recon 12 is the high fire rate one, almost a solid laser

[tough tiger]

Yeah makes sense for infernus then

[fading yarrow]

AAAAAAAAA.

AAAAAAAAAAA.

[shut roost]

it does less damage than the other one but I like the extreme fire rate, means if I miss a shot it doesnt matter, ive got like 800 rounds to burn through

[tough tiger]

I think the burn stacks do half of your dps tbh

Cuz base dmg is low af

[hollow ibex]

6 and 12 are both good for infernus

[vernal harbor]

that being said if im doing someone’s havoc beyond 25+ ill default to meta because its considerate

truly if you’re joining someone and are readily about to dump 30-45 minutes to this hard task you better give a fuck

id also say if you’re hosting 25+ and you’re fucking off you can suck my penance

[barren nimbus]

The inspect from social mod is a godsend

so many legit fucking idiots trying to do high havoc

[narrow frost]

sorry

that was me

[tough tiger]

@narrow frost you're forgiven, now come help me with gloriana blight, pus,tox gas

[narrow frost]

playing the better tide game rn

[tough tiger]

Saltztide 2

[quartz nymph]

Looking fly

[tame lodge]

better tide
Looks inside
VT2

[tough tiger]

Yeah lets all go back

[tame lodge]

No

I'm salty

[tough tiger]

No, i'm salty

Go bplay knife ear

[tame lodge]

The rat seer got hands

I was this close of unlocking Cata

[quartz nymph]

Okay, I'll pick up the healing draught

[tough tiger]

Thanks bardin

[normal sparrow]

Knife pyro

Ngl much better than dt version

[tame lodge]

Ugh

Attempt number 10 at unlocking Cata

Don't wish me luck

[verbal burrow]

There’s people who have not unlocked cata?

[calm shard]

pyromancer getting that fat movement speed on crit with knifes constant forward momentum from attack spam

is very funny

why yes this "ranged" career has the highest movement speed in the game and ludicrously high crit on their melee

[normal sparrow]

Push attack spam to get ahead of the team

Then infinite cleave with h2? Its been ages

[lime marsh]

What’s the meta for veteran havoc

[calm shard]

there's a few options

[tall torrent]

combat axe III
duelling sword IV
combat blade VI
power sword VI

plasma gun
recon lasgun VIc / XII
boltgun
boltpistol

[lime marsh]

And talent wise

[calm shard]

also varies

differen weapons will want different talent builds

the only universals are going to be shredder+survivalist+VoC

Exe stance also works but trust me if you are asking you are not that guy

[tall torrent]

depends heavily on ur weapons

For axe & knife, bottom right side talents are required so u have less room for other nice things

For duelling sword & power sword, they need far less investment so u can take more utility talents

[calm shard]

I use bolt pistol knife personally, and my havoc build is this

which veteran steam guide will probably judge every slight flaw with

[tall torrent]

it's ok

[calm shard]

actually would rending strike/BiD be better than superiority complex

[tall torrent]

I don't think so personally

I like superiority complex + marksman a lot more

covers more enemies & more generally applicable

[lime marsh]

This is what iam using at the moment.

[calm shard]

I would not use weapon specialist with plasma+psword

neither weapon really substantially benefit from it

[hollow ibex]

i mean not necessarily

[calm shard]

at least relative to the skill point investment

[hollow ibex]

psword benefits a lot from the improved dodge

and guaranteed crit also benefits plasma breakpoints

[tall torrent]

kind of but in havoc ur just gonna default shoot twice

crit 1 shot kill is more of a nice bonus than smth to spend 6 points to get

[hollow ibex]

oh right this is havoc shit

spawn into the game

3 bots

im in a corner

3 bosses up my ass

can you fucking not game?

[wanton dawn]

That's where your wrong

[latent parcel]

[shadow dagger]

i wonder if the revive augment for shout would see any use even if it buffed the range instead of nerfing it

[tawny badger]

the swap time on plasma and the time to charge the psword take up way too big of a chunk of weapon specialist's timer for my taste

[wanton dawn]

Ehhh, ppl will rediscover the fire thing and ditch it

[shadow dagger]

...the fire thing?

[calm shard]

waow the attack speed on the powersword isfaster now I can sit and stare at the power up animation twice as anxiously while I wait to swing

[shadow dagger]

i think im missing out on some crucial information

[latent parcel]

Maff only uses revolver and axe in high havocs. dont listen to him

[tawny badger]

relic blade charge 😋

[wanton dawn]

You should avoid commenting on stuff you dont play though

[sleek garden]

do you need a buddy

im also newish and garbage at vt2

[coarse wolf]

wait a minute

db shovel vet is fun

[wanton dawn]

If you shout rez in a fire, the guy will just die again

[sleek garden]

take a swing on wood shovel is fun

[tawny badger]

I mean
can the vet just not do that

[coarse wolf]

if you res in fire at all
the person you res will die instantly

[wanton dawn]

Shout has other usage like, peeling ? Giving thoughness ?

Helping rez ?

[sleek garden]

guys whats the best way to use the ability that knocks everyone down gives damage buffs and gives everyone huge toughness

the answer is any time

[wanton dawn]

Basically forcing yourself to tie an arm behind your back

[tawny badger]

if
shout cooldown == 0
then
shout

repeat forever

[sleek garden]

because you're going to kill 5 people and have it back

shout to revive people is fast

yeah the cooldown is longer

[wanton dawn]

The guy asked. I answered

[tawny badger]

imagine

[sleek garden]

you right dont res in fire

thats about it

im just saying stuff not trying to antagonize

[wanton dawn]

But i wanna do it

[sleek garden]

do waht

[latent parcel]

isnt it 5 a.m for you? what u doin awake

[sleek garden]

rez people with shout?

[wanton dawn]

Antgozin

[tawny badger]

support vet ✨

[wanton dawn]

I must tell ppl they're wrong on discord

[latent parcel]

again? you needa chill

[wanton dawn]

Also just wake up so brain is in slow mode

[tawny badger]

evil maff be like
"I must agree with ppl on discord"

[chrome thunder]

helbore dump stat?

[trim steppe]

stability

[wanton dawn]

Stability

[chrome thunder]

plasma gun perks?

[tame lodge]

Flak Unarmored

[coarse wolf]

vets of darktide
stop fucking ping spamming you are ruining focus target stacks IT DOES NOT MAKE IT WORK BETTER
that is all

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[versed merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[winter grove]

Nah

I'd ping

[vernal trench]

U suck

[tawny badger]

binding ping to mousewheel

https://tenor.com/view/meme-horrors-beyond-our-comprehension-low-tier-god-mods-banned-gif-8530537273735940092

[coarse wolf]

i've left games because of that

in other news

decimator on shovel

why the fuck can it chunk boss hp bars

[tawny badger]

funny shovel alt fire

[coarse wolf]

standard issue

not the sapper

[tall torrent]

All 3 are called sapper shovel

[coarse wolf]

they got combined

[tall torrent]

It was always called sapper shovel

standard issue munitorum sapper shovel

[coarse wolf]

mk1 shovel is the one i am talking about

[tall torrent]

How much

[tall torrent]

Yea, it was always called sapper shovel

[coarse wolf]

full decimator stacks was hitting for like 1500-2k per light

decimator uncanny mixed anyway

[tall torrent]

Nah no way

[narrow frost]

aint no way

[tall torrent]

I need to see a recording of that

It’s around 600 per light atk

At full uncanny + decimator

[coarse wolf]

not lights im fucking stupid but i was surprised

[tall torrent]

PA is around 1250

[coarse wolf]

hitting him over the head then quick swapping to shotgun to kill some trash before going back to melee

[tall torrent]

U would need skullcrusher + stagger to hit higher than that

And unyielding perk

[coarse wolf]

this was on a captain at the end of an assassination mission

[tall torrent]

Captain is not unyielding

[coarse wolf]

flak

yeah i know

[tall torrent]

On flak it’s ~1.5k with flak perk

Since neither superiority complex nor BID applies to warlord enemies

With agile engagement up yea prob ~2k

[coarse wolf]

agile weapon spec

hence the shotgun QQ trash delete

[shut roost]

how should I build the plasma gun?

[wanton dawn]

might have hit a mutie