veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

So god damn disingenuous

[terse idol]

HOWEVER

You're literally ignoring me

When I'm saying

I'm skipping keystones

[hollow ibex]

No. It's worded the other way around lol.

[terse idol]

And still insisting it's a wasted point

Damn weapon builds are tough out here

[hollow ibex]

You can use it with these specific weapons. BUT this is why it's still a bad talent.

[terse idol]

The value is low but I'm LITERALLY

[hollow ibex]

There's a reason why that section is structured that way

[terse idol]

Making a build

Without keystones

For the recon

[hollow ibex]

Funny. Same.

[terse idol]

So i can also mag dump crushers in the head

[hollow ibex]

But I don't take onslaught

[terse idol]

Cool

[hollow ibex]

Because I got better things to use my points on

[terse idol]

Literally what else

Like I'm taking every single talent to support

The recon

Even including a low value talent like onslaught

[hollow ibex]

Too many options. Vet gets some incredible talents and you're acting like opportunity cost isn't a thing lol

[terse idol]

For slightly higher ability to mag dump crushers

I ain't wrong

I mean

I've filled out all the talents I thought I needed which still does include the rending talent and other stuff

[hollow ibex]

Path posted his keystoneless recon build a while back. I couldn't be arsed to dig it up.

[terse idol]

Like zamn I'll be alright being wrong though but I'm not literally original sin to have taken onslaught if my main goal is to build around the recon

[hollow ibex]

But neither he nor I take onslaught for the reasons discussed

I use a slightly different build

And both of us also consider mk vi better

Because it is

If you specifically want an onslaught build for the lolz memes that's a different story of course

[terse idol]

#veteran-class message

Yes

The keystonless

Recon build

With

Onslaught

[hollow ibex]

Yeah that's him making deadshot build for someone else that specifically requested it

[terse idol]

Okay

Like

You have onslaught

I don't take deadshot

[hollow ibex]

Oh mb it's a build specifically for onslaught lmao

[terse idol]

This build

Doesn't have deadshot

Dude

[hollow ibex]

Why would you take longshit

[terse idol]

I literally have this build

[sleek garden]

deadshot + zarona shotgun + marksmans focus tunnel vision modifier

[terse idol]

Like yes paths keystoneless recon build

[sleek garden]

huge gameplay value

[hollow ibex]

I've done this before

[terse idol]

Looks like my keystoneless recon build

With onslaught

You couldn't be asked to fetch the build, I did

[hollow ibex]

Not the standard build he runs. But keep coping.

[terse idol]

Its keystoneless recon with onslaught okay?

You said

That it's a build he made for someone else with deadshot

It doesn't have deadshot

Just don't run onslaught

If you don't like it

I've literally built my entire build

For the recon

Okay?

I will admit he said it's not particularly good but it's fun
I've made it worm

[unreal nova]

There's precision strikes if you wanna skip deadshot.

[terse idol]

In auric maelstrom

[unreal nova]

Or determined.

[terse idol]

So no I'm not litetally bad for having chosen onslaught

Damn I'm about to go down with the boat for onslaught man

But fuck it, I'm doubling down

[hollow ibex]

You can and should do that without onslaught

[proven garden]

why do you split your sentences into so many messages btw

[terse idol]

Yes I'll magdump crushers with onslaught on my dedicated keystoneless reconlas build

[proven garden]

my sibling talks like that but they never explain it

[terse idol]

Uh

[sleek garden]

unironically this with smokes is great for rolling steel

its a gigantic hallways

[terse idol]

I think it puts more emphasis on the words

Its also funny when you get a good line going

When the words get smaller and smaller

So you're building an upside down pyramid

[proven garden]

fair enough ill give it a try sometime

[terse idol]

I wouldn't, some people haaate it

[hollow ibex]

If you're not unironically trying to argue that it's good then idc

[unreal nova]

It's just the way the mind works at times... You type, then add to it.

[sleek garden]

i will always take longshot i will shoot people from far away

[terse idol]

Yeah

[proven garden]

hating the way someone types is some crazy shit lmao

[hollow ibex]

But that def wasn't the impression I got from the two of you earlier

[terse idol]

Like kariens saying

Tbh

Well because one line typing fills up the screen very fast

[unreal nova]

And then you are sitting at 4 lines later.

Just feeling it's normal, but everyone else is questioning it.

[loud belfry]

zoomie brain (i do this too sadgely, the youtube shorts have done a number on me)

[terse idol]

Sure

Me as I get heated because I took 1 (One) onslaught

[unreal nova]

I'm too old for that.

[sleek garden]

hotshot on the infantry lasgun would be so fun

[loud belfry]

same, i guess. im not a zoomer but i do it anyway

[sleek garden]

i can imagine full auto firing down a hallway of shotgunners and killing 3 a shot

[unreal nova]

Eh, it's just funny to just spray at everything. I just miss Keri's inf ammo shortbow nonsense.

[unreal nova]

Could be the fact I do have some level of Autism.

[loud belfry]

yep, that definitely impacts your ability to communicate tone, even through text. i think im the same way but ive just adapted to have a more fluid and active typing style. like adding a period at the end of my posts? never

[terse idol]

Yeah that's why I built the ultimate laser pointer

[unreal nova]

I mean, I can barely read tone from others at times, unless it's pure insults.

[unreal nova]

But don't you wanna bap the screen doing it?

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/bvndit-dead-chat-dead-group-chat-lol-gif-26075659

[formal ice]

Why don't you make the chat not dead?

[loud belfry]

[silk plinth]

posting a mega paragraph is unhinged

(I should know, I do it all the time)

plus zoomies

[unreal nova]

I mean, sugar helps.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-dead-chat-xd-alive-chat-alive-chat-xd-gif-19178329

[silk plinth]

monster too

full fat fruity sugary one

[loud belfry]

diabeetus

[unreal nova]

Can't have that, between my heart freaking out and hurting and causing me to crash out asleep.

[silk plinth]

it's the only thing that's kept me functional at times

[unreal nova]

It's likely to just kill me.

[silk plinth]

I shall drink in your honour then

[reef portal]

In the Deadshot passive, what does it mean by "alternate fire" for a weapon?

[austere mica]

Right click

So ADS or braced stance

Some weapons don’t work with it though, like Plasma

But the list is very small

[tall torrent]

GLORIOUS PROGRESS

[austere mica]

I can't wait to beat people over the head with this when its done

[slow spade]

I mean you still can

They'll probably still put weakspot damage perks though

[crisp oak]

thats alotta damage

[normal sparrow]

Boltpistol version?

[tall torrent]

this is for plasma gun

I gotta slowly update everything I've completed to this new format

[normal sparrow]

Im aware, saw the plasma blessings

[tall torrent]

I'm only gonna include R.dmg boost and Precision Strikes as prerequisite for breakpoints

since that's basically the 1 constant across almost every veteran build

[vernal harbor]

they call me the veteran

[sleek garden]

do you have to take bring it down

[vernal trench]

I dont think i did for this one

Mightve tho

[sleek garden]

did you still wanna play

my aim was so off today

[vernal trench]

Ah i got off already

Tmr?

[vernal trench]

Oof

[sleek garden]

probably

they cancelled class due to snow

[vernal trench]

Damn

What buuld do u run again i forgot

[sleek garden]

something bad

[vernal trench]

Like wat

[sleek garden]

i am testing my build in the psykhanium right now

against scab gunna

15 meters seems to be the ideal point for one shotting scab gunners

[vernal trench]

Thats pretty good but id take +25% weapon pull out just for safety

Ah nvm u got infantry las

[hollow ibex]

MF is influencing the results here tho

[sleek garden]

yes

because this is without executor stance

which lets me one shot them at 15 meters

actually i think it starts at 12

marksmans focus and distance also helps a ton with muties

the difference in shots needed to take one down close vs far is like 3shots

i wish this one one shot flamers though

only the heavy inflas can do that

[hollow ibex]

oh ic what you mean

[sleek garden]

i kind of assume that i always have a few stacks of marksmans focus

with 10 stacks of marksmans focus+all sorts of headshot bonuses, i have to be ~35 meters away to score an instakill on a dreg flamer

wtih exy stance i can be like 5 meters away

the bonus from exy stance is massive

actually i need to be 15 meters away in exy stance with 10 stacks of marksmans focus to one shot

the inflas appreciates personal space

shock maul is a weird weapon

it benefits a lot from skullcrusher

like

100 damage to 1000 damage on a crusher type benefit

huh

if if youre sprinting while you swing heavies with the shock maul it has a different pattern

[tall torrent]

[proven garden]

This fucking shotgun is not it

What weapon can I use to get the kill shot ready penance done with as little suffering as possible

[loud belfry]

i think a guy just rage quit cuz another guy totally wasted a large ammo pickup at the pre-finale preparation location, leaving him with yellow ammo

[unreal nova]

This is why I just not shoot unless Psyker or my vet tbh. Less issues.

[grand perch]

That is going to be extremely helpful

[tall torrent]

check the video

[sleek garden]

which one is this again?

[proven garden]

2500 kills with 10 stacks of that tunnel vision keystone

I forgot the actual name

[sleek garden]

marksmans focus

[proven garden]

So far I been just getting a single headshot every 5 seconds and trying to get as much melee kills as possible

[sleek garden]

my recommendation is infantry lasgun

[proven garden]

Because the shotgun is not it

[sleek garden]

and to shoot people in the head

[proven garden]

Why lasgun instead of the vrak

Or whatever the bullet one was

[sleek garden]

take exy stance and the modifier that highlights soldiers

because lasgun is precision and will actually kill in one shot on many enemies

to the head

[proven garden]

Is infantry the full auto one

[sleek garden]

no that's recon

let me show you real quick

[grand perch]

do you need help with your workaholism

[tall torrent]

maybe

I need to update like every weapon into the new format

fortunately, it's quite easy to make changes

[sleek garden]

yeah, it is gonna be slow, but it becomes a game to snipe specialists and hordes of shotgunners at midrange

[tall torrent]

and only the breakpoint ones need testing

I'm not sure if I should include rager & mauler breakpoints in there

[sleek garden]

that said zarona shotgun build is just serviceable

[tall torrent]

I also am not including crits in there yet

I might? if it's a big crit breakpoint

like revolver 1 bodyshot dreg rager

[proven garden]

How’s the ogryn damage on that thing

Also isn’t that malice difficulty

[tall torrent]

but if I include crit in there then it gets messy really fast

[sleek garden]

this is damnation

[proven garden]

Or do you just run a wound curio

[sleek garden]

i use a wound curio

[proven garden]

Wallahi

[sleek garden]

"dont die" fellas when they get trapped through a chainlink fence and set on fire

i like my redundancy

[grand perch]

you could compromise and only include crits on guns where you recommend surgical or something

or when WS builds are recommended for guaranteed crits

[sleek garden]

the heavy inflas does more against unyielding

this is middle

[tall torrent]

crit will only be included when it's required for a specific breakpoint

[sleek garden]

from 3-6 shots to 3-4

[unreal nova]

So, when other classes... Heh.

[proven garden]

Why should I use middle over heavy

Faster fire rate?

[sleek garden]

faster, more stable, more ammo, still one-two shots nearly every major enemy

mine doesn't one shot ragers at close range, but thats because i put flak instead of maniac

[proven garden]

So heavy just helps for doing more damage against ogyrn enemies

[tall torrent]

it's not relevant

[sleek garden]

huh

[proven garden]

Damn

[sleek garden]

i mean it kinda helps when you're shooting a mosnter in the back

i hate slugs

but also you dont need a lot of the fancy stuff to one shot a scab gunner

i had to do a bunch of stuff to one shot scab gunners at 15 meters

with the middle

in short if you're speedrunning that penance yeah you can do the mind numbing thing people do where they think they have to crab walk everywhere and melee enemies

or you can actually just

shoot them one by one very fast and be useful

[calm shard]

yeah but that's hard

crab walk easy

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-people-south-park-gif-25989008

peak vet gameplay

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent what mod is it that says something like “fyre dropped a ammo crate”?

Quick chat?

[tall torrent]

I think scoreboard

[tropic notch]

Like in chat? It’ll type it out?

[solar valve]

you can adjust where if you use the custom UI mod

[tall torrent]

pretty sure the top left message is from scoreboard

as for chat

idk

[tropic notch]

Because I wanna tell the silly billys that don’t have mods

[tall torrent]

I think "For the Emperor" extension?

which I don't use

[warm bolt]

Forgot to change my build, threw a havoc game

[tropic notch]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/161

[tall torrent]

I don't use that one

[tropic notch]

ah.

[sharp echo]

ok I feel like the mkiv helbore is rlly satisfying but so hard to use normally in a match

like as soon as i get the hang of it im sure im popping every single specialist but it's hard to get used to

[calm shard]

yeah because of all the partial charge breakpoints

and you're wasting time and ammo if you don't have them down to muscle memory

[grand perch]

I don't consider partial charge breakpoints at all

You're an ammo efficiency machine anyway, and while you're acquiring your next target your already charged to full most of the time

[tall torrent]

barely got it under word count limit

[pseudo fiber]

Juicy look at that

[sharp echo]

exactly what I encounter while I play when I'm in the zone it's just i'm still leveling it and got low charge rate (80 potential, just not max lvld gun)

[tall torrent]

Fortunately

I don’t think any other breakpoint gun

Is nearly as complex as boltgun

[sharp echo]

boltgun it's complex

[tall torrent]

In terms of building for 1 taps

[sharp echo]

I see other people using it it doesn't look complex?

just tap tap tap heads

[tall torrent]

It’s what u actually need for the 1 taps that’s complex

[sharp echo]

o

[tropic halo]

Big gun go blast blast

[sharp echo]

idk i feel like if u play veteran and ur like me and ur aim is terrible either play recon las and cope or idk

I main psyker anyway

[tall torrent]

Recon is easier for sure

Recon’s section might be half as long as boltgun’s

After I’m done updating

[sharp echo]

ok so this it's nice?

[tall torrent]

Works?

[sharp echo]

i just got it to max

i will try it

[grand perch]

That's pretty much my setup

[tall torrent]

I can prob finish updating boltpistol into new format tmr

and work on the shotguns

or I can speedrun all the automatics since they can skip the entire breakpoint table

debating if I should consider XIV revolver as a breakpoint gun

cuz it honestly is so bad at 1 taps

[sharp echo]

what melee do u recommend with this cuz i feel so slow i might just take combat knife

[grand perch]

Good question. I guess I would like with any low rof gun

[rustic beacon]

I just can‘t decide which helbore I prefer. I keep switching between 3 and 4..

[vernal trench]

Take maniacs off

[normal sparrow]

Please ping

[sharp echo]

what to replace?

[vernal trench]

I put unyeilding on mine

Hellbore 4 punches hard u wont need maniac damage

[dapper plank]

TACTICAL AWARENESS... DOES THIS ONLY APPLY TO WHEN I KILL SPECIALS, OR WHEN ANYBODY KILLS THEM?

felt like i had to shout that

[latent parcel]

You kill them

[dapper plank]

then i guess im on special duty now

is that the general meta?

[tropic halo]

I never tried the combat shotgun until now, what is the special supposed to do? Is it like a huge stagger pellet to knock down targets

[rustic beacon]

Tac awareness is not meta. People take either confirmed kill or out for blood

I usually go for out for blood, especially if I an playing frags

[dapper plank]

where is out for blood and confirmed kill?

why not take tactical awareness when iron will exists, it's insane paired with gold toughness

[coarse rose]

How to do Smoke Screen penance without griefing your team mates?

[tropic halo]

Wdym griefing

I dont see any problem when using smokes

[coarse rose]

Okay, I'm not gonna get into that discussion. I think they're worse than useless, but there's a penance that incentitives using them a lot.

[tropic halo]

They are fine, really the weakest out of the vet grenades

[coarse rose]

They alter the behavior of enemies in unpredictable ways and hide them from view. That's my main issue with them.

[tropic halo]

The penance is simple enough to complete i just threw them when they were enough amount of shooters

[coarse rose]

Lobbing them into a bunch of shooter at a distance is alright I suppose.

They should give empathic evasion to anyone standing in them.

Anyway, that's another discussion.

[rustic beacon]

Ignore me, I am stupid, I mixed up names. Yes, tactical awareness is meta

[tame lodge]

They stop any shooter/gunner/reaper/sniper/flamer from shooting

Lmao

Just stay inside the smoke

[dire olive]

Depends on the mark, green one loads a high damage slug, blue one loads a shot that spreads in a horizontal line, brown one loads a dragon's breath round

[tropic halo]

I picked the Mk VI which is the blue pellet

So it is more used as a crowd control tool?

[dire olive]

Yeah

With manstopper blessing and a crit it can wipe out swathes of chaff

[tropic halo]

Sounds fun

Now the problem is i am fully out of dockets so i gonna need to play lot of missions to earn and easy grind the mastery

[warm bolt]

Lol

I suggest doing auric if you're able tbh, a real gold mine

[rustic beacon]

Never tried combat shotguns so far, now I gotta, that sounds cool

[tropic halo]

I did one and what a profit

[warm bolt]

Yep, really juicy

[austere pine]

literally fucking peak weapon

thank you fatshark

this is what knives have to do to mimic a fraction of rashad's power

[native wagon]

How the hell you deal with 3 ogryns in my team I cannot see anything

[unreal nova]

Exe stance or just play support and watch the back.

[grand perch]

Pick ogryn too

[native wagon]

Whats exe stance?

Sorry Im kinda new

Just hit level 30

[unreal nova]

Executioner's stance.

[native wagon]

Failed my first auric

[unreal nova]

Is the left tree ult.

Or just cheat mod in it without.

There's a highlight enemies mod.

[tame lodge]

You just play the game, once you get used you'll just tune out their existence

[spice wadi]

It used to be worse

A lot of weapons now can cleave through a friendly ogryn

[hearty panther]

there is no friendly hitmass anymore

so all weaps cleave through everyone

[austere pine]

darktide players will do literally anything but get good at the game

[unreal nova]

I don't mod, annoys some. But I sit on b/w mode needs an accessibility option to be turned off without mods.

[austere pine]

b/w mode?

[unreal nova]

Last wound corrupted.

[austere pine]

ah. i dunno it's a bit weird but you're literally close to death

[unreal nova]

The effect is what I call b/w.

It blinds me worse than vent purge.

So I'm basically dead then.

[austere pine]

and that i do agree with that it might be something not to taste for many people

but enemy highlight mod is one of the most disgusting "i suck at the game so i need third party help" shouts i've probably ever heard

you can literally get ping to be bound to an accessible button and spam it whenever you wanna shoot something

[unreal nova]

Why do you think I call it a cheat since it's basically a free ult effect?

[austere pine]

thing is, you understand it but the mod was created in the first place

[unreal nova]

Executioner's stance is the legit way to get it.

[austere pine]

just

use eyes and use ping

the game teaches you to use ping in the tutorial

you as in general not just you karien

though pinging is something that should be taught better to everybody because it's free wallhacks and enemy outline

[umbral scaffold]

I'm on xbox so mods are out of the question 😭

I spam the ping tho lol

[austere pine]

yeah spamming ping is one of the best things an ally can do

[umbral scaffold]

Makes it easier to snipe snipers and what not

[unreal nova]

Just don't do it to the point of annoyance.

[umbral scaffold]

Only on things that can ruin the teams day

[unreal nova]

You know the classic tag on shoot or tag on interact stuff.

[austere pine]

makes people aware of an enemy they might not be aware of, highlights this enemy to either know which to focus down or which to avoid (if the player can't deal with a faraway threat or carapace, for example)

[unreal nova]

Not sure if they can be changed by the game bar, but yeah.

[umbral scaffold]

I only do it when I'm trying to kill said mob so I can actually see it haha

[unreal nova]

Trying to ping a sniper is totally legit.

[umbral scaffold]

I use the boltgun

So it's hard to see things usually

[austere pine]

sniper, trapper, bombers, gunners

everything is valid, except maybe maulers and scab ragers

because you hear them so clearly it's not necessary

mutants too

[unreal nova]

I don't care who or if everyone trying to it it. Makes it easier to put a long distance bullet into.

Crushers.

The stealth ones are really bad.

If you glance one or more, just ping one.

[austere pine]

crushers don't really like stealth but i've been jumpscared by maulers way too much in my time

[unreal nova]

Is just they can be silent.

[austere pine]

dudes standing behind corners with a kniife like

[umbral scaffold]

Ragers are a real problem

[unreal nova]

You only know you are dead because you lag and saw the block coming down.

[umbral scaffold]

Especially when there's a bunch

[austere pine]

mauler pov:

[unreal nova]

Then dead 0.3-0.4 secs later.

[umbral scaffold]

Ugh maulers

Handy having lightning when there rushing you

[austere pine]

grenade spam for the win

frags are a cc godsend

[umbral scaffold]

Or using the stun mace but yeah I just chuck a krak at them

Is frag better than stun you reckon?

[austere pine]

first of all, stun mace is a fine melee but there's many better ones

frag, however, stuns entire damn hordes

while weakening or outright killing numerous amounts of enemies

[umbral scaffold]

I switched to the combat stance I think it's called where you shoot and get dmg for range then switch and get dmg for melee it honestly shreds w the dueling sword

[austere pine]

uh?

c

combat stance?

[umbral scaffold]

Nearly one shotting maulers in the head , one shots mutants and that

[austere pine]

talent?

or the keystone?

or ability?

[warm bolt]

I think he means exec stance

[umbral scaffold]

Its on the veteran skill tree You get a bonus to range dmg for 3 seconds then you get 5 or 6 seconds to Melee damage

[austere pine]

weapon specialist

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah pretty sure that's it

Pretty much commisar build

I'm still very new to darktide , well only just starting to understand it

[native wagon]

Do special assignments count when doing on overwatch and other penances?

[tropic halo]

"Sah we are proctecting you sah!"

[tame lodge]

But there's tons of Tox gas

And Rinda

[tropic halo]

and bosses fights

multiple

[umbral scaffold]

I was playing w a zealot yesterday that was 2 shotting demonhost on heresy

Had the hammer and the revolver dude was Olympic level player

[native wagon]

True

So just regular assassination mission is cool?

[tropic halo]

probably also using the martydrom by the sounds of it

[umbral scaffold]

Made me make a zealot lol, still havnt played him yet tryna get my psyker to 30 first

I only have a lvl 30 veteran a lvl 14 psyker and a lvl 1 zealot lol

[tame lodge]

Well just remember to get the Thrust blessing on the hammer

🫡

[umbral scaffold]

It's pretty hard to find relevant builds ngl

Kinda have to test what's right

[tropic halo]

You can find community made builds from darktide lantern website, it is helpful

[umbral scaffold]

I'll Google it now thank you!

[tropic halo]

Theres a lot that you can choose with what builds and weapons wanna go for

[umbral scaffold]

That's one of my fav things about darktide tbh

So much freedom to build whatever you want

[unreal nova]

Why else do you think I like it.

[slow spade]

Imagine using builds instead of what the God Emperor naturally gave you 😔

[unreal nova]

Gremlin boom spammer who totally did not steal commissar stuff.

[grand perch]

dont be lead astray by popular "good" gameslantern builds

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly I just go with what feels fun

At the moment I'm enjoying the dueling sword and bolt pistol w commisar build I'm sure it's not the greatest but I have heaps of fun

And I'm running a assail psyker he's only like level 14 so far

But the psyker is heaps of fun

I'm still very new to darktide so pretty clueless lol

[tropic halo]

I feel that when i was also new and clueless with most of classes perks

[umbral scaffold]

Keep blowing my psyker up when I panick 😆

[tropic halo]

If you got the venting shriek you can use to cancel before you are about to explode

[umbral scaffold]

Yah I usually keep that there for those moments but when I get swarmed it's to easy to spam the assail or the voidstrike 😆

[normal bay]

I've had to be careful with Psyker builds. Had assail and a staff and blew myself up 2 or 3 times in a mission lol

[hearty panther]

shriek has to be upgraded before it can save you

[umbral scaffold]

I'm down to 1 time a mission hahaha

[hearty panther]

something i rudely rediscover sometimes when i roll a hardcore

[umbral scaffold]

From like 2 -3 times 😆

[normal bay]

Progress lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly I feel like I'm gonna enjoy zealot alot

Seems like he's quite strong

After playing with a God level zealot anyway shit was crazy he was 2 shotting demonhost , we'd try ignore them and he'd go and badda bing badda boom dead demon

Nurgle must have not been impressed

[normal bay]

Then you level zealot and realise not many weapons can do that lol

[umbral scaffold]

He was using the hammer and revolver u can ads

But yeah I had that feeling that he's just really good haha

[vernal trench]

Hammer can 1 shot tons of stuff

[uncut pebble]

Crucis hammer has a janky ahh build for boss oneshots.

[tropic halo]

Depending the build

[uncut pebble]

I would not attempt to do that build if I were you. You sacrifice so much of your normal utility that it's just not worth it.

[vernal trench]

Yea

[tame lodge]

It's worth the maniacal smile every time you hear a dh or a boss spawn

[umbral scaffold]

Kramer would make a great zealot

Might have to make a zealot called Kramer now

[hearty panther]

I've got Daemonhost problems, Jerry! Every time I turn around there's another set of dark whispers yapping in my ear! Of course I bring this hammer with me everywhere I go.

[umbral scaffold]

😆😆😆😆

Charlie off it's always sunny would also make a great zealot 😆

[warm bolt]

Is this build good? Now that i know gameslantern is kinda eh i really dont have any idea where to go for builds so i had to make-do lol

[tame lodge]

Inspiring Presence is really meh

Drop it for Demo Team

Also Get Back in the Fight is also meh

[umbral scaffold]

Inspiring prescence can come in clutch

[warm bolt]

I see, thanks!

Already have demo team though

[warm bolt]

Honestly i took it because my brain went "well it's a straight path to focus target so i'll just choose it first and think later" and spoiler i did NOT think later

[vernal trench]

What weapons do u run

[umbral scaffold]

How did you know 😆

When you don't understand what does what yet lol

[uncut pebble]

The node above survivalist, change to the other one. Drop the left node next to for the emperor in your middle tree and the middle and left aux nodes on focus target. You now have 3 points you can spend on nice things like grabbing reciprocity.

If you'd like I can make a build for you using the same pathing.

[umbral scaffold]

Nah I feel like it does Give alot of dmg to teammates

[tame lodge]

Gbitf wants your toughness to break but you have tons of toughness replenishment

[umbral scaffold]

And a big toughness boost momentarily

[warm bolt]

Normally plasma, sometimes helbore/ilas/boltgun/what have you occasionally

[warm bolt]

I have general idea but mostly i just wing it lol

[umbral scaffold]

Yes me too I just google my builds and go from there haha

Play round w what feels good

[warm bolt]

Would like to see it, i dont really mind the pathing though, i just picked anything that sounded sorta useful

[uncut pebble]

Plasma is very breakpoint intensive.

[vernal trench]

U should get bring it down

[uncut pebble]

Need a specific weapon to build for.

[umbral scaffold]

I want a plasma pistol for a veteran

We need a plasma pistol

[warm bolt]

oh

[uncut pebble]

There's a lot of damage talents for vet to work with but they mean nothing if you do not meet breakpoints.

[umbral scaffold]

The plasma gun feels too clunky imo

[warm bolt]

Real

[uncut pebble]

Gimme a minute, I can give you the build Path (vet guide writer) gave me for plasma.

[umbral scaffold]

I tried a couple times to use it and it felt horrible

Same with the boltgun

Only comfy w the bolt pistol

[uncut pebble]

You run boltgun with executioners stance to get around the long draw time.

It is also a point hungry weapon, like plasma.

I also believe it is better than plasma, except in the case of cleave.

[umbral scaffold]

Boltgun deffs imo over plasma but I love the new boltpistol

Feels amazing

Run and gun and bleed

[warm bolt]

I mean if plasma is really that intensive i can switch to a different weapon, im just worried i'd be worse and worse in like mid-high havoc

[umbral scaffold]

Plasma is really viable I just struggle getting it to do what I say when I want it to

[unreal nova]

Ah yes, the delay.

[warm bolt]

You see, there is your weakness

You try to think

[unreal nova]

It's extra bad if you play with lag.

[warm bolt]

I just picked optimised cooling and blaze away and LMB like a caveman

[umbral scaffold]

Can u over charge them?

Like in the lore

[warm bolt]

Yep

Which is why i only LMB

[umbral scaffold]

Ah that's cool

[unreal nova]

You go down like a Psyker.

[warm bolt]

If you explode you also deal damage around you

[unreal nova]

Like a payker.

[vernal trench]

Exec stance survivability goes straight down the drain

[unreal nova]

It's actually just perils of the warp but not.

[umbral scaffold]

Same principle really if u think about it

[unreal nova]

Some say doing it also unlocks that penance if you kill something with it.

Well, an elite/specialist.

[warm bolt]

Wait psykers also do damage around them with perils of the warp?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[warm bolt]

I might have an idea

[umbral scaffold]

When you blow ya brain up yep

[unreal nova]

You are a worse krak basically.

[uncut pebble]

This is not true. Just don't crutch voc.

[umbral scaffold]

Will take down a bunch of mobs closest to you in a circle

[vernal trench]

Shout is overused and also survivability is pretty bad if ur the last one alive

In auric maelstroms u can have pretty good survivability with exec stance if u use it with the right builds and have the skills

But in havocs ur a literal glass cannon

[unreal nova]

Pray on the big boomies to save you, and maybe you can crutch it.

[umbral scaffold]

Psyker really is a glass cannon eh

Gotta play smart

[vernal trench]

Yea if u bring exec stance into high havocs u need a good team that wont go down constantly snd can protext u while u deal most of the damage of the game

[vernal trench]

Yea kinda

[unreal nova]

Is why, if your frags can't delete.. GG.. If they do delete, you might have time to pick someone up.

[vernal trench]

Yea frags are most of ur survivability somewhat

[umbral scaffold]

U reckon frags over krak?

Iv been using krak

[vernal trench]

Depends on what u play

[umbral scaffold]

Handy w bulwarks

[vernal trench]

Low difficulties like just regular damnations or auric heresy u prolly should just bring kraks

in high havocs kraks are borderline useless

[umbral scaffold]

I'm not even on auric yet 💀 still on the 4th difficulty

Heresy I think it's called

[vernal trench]

Theres not enough grenade regen for lower difficulties to be spamming frags

[vernal trench]

Yea heresy

[unreal nova]

Is just 5% lul.

[umbral scaffold]

Felt like a climb just getting there

[vernal trench]

Auric maelstroms i just use frags they work well enough but doesnt regen as fast as in high havocs

Sometimes i can throw 4 grenades in havoc 40 and get all of them back instantly if im lucky

[vernal trench]

Once u get used to it itll be easy

[umbral scaffold]

My kraks regen

Which is handy

[vernal trench]

Yea 1 minute timer

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah

[unreal nova]

Or you get crazy lucky.

[vernal trench]

But demo team has a 5% chance to regen a grenade on elite kill or whatever

[umbral scaffold]

Not fast but if u don't spam them it works

[vernal trench]

Demo team makes it so u can spam dozens of grenades in a game in high havocs because they spawn so many elites and specials

[umbral scaffold]

Oh demo teams the alternative to Inspiring presence hey?

[unreal nova]

What is gun?

FRAGS.

[vernal trench]

What does inspiring oresence do again i forgot

[umbral scaffold]

I may have to try it

[unreal nova]

YOU GET A FRAG, YOU GET A FRAG AND YOU GET A FRAG.

[hearty panther]

you dont really 'want' demo team until havoc tbh

[umbral scaffold]

Um toughness dmg and regen I think to teammates and you

[hearty panther]

otherwise its just an alternative to stockpile cause you arent building through VoC

[vernal trench]

It works somewhat in maelstroms

[hearty panther]

since some grenade regen is still better than none

[umbral scaffold]

Reload speed I think too?

[vernal trench]

But it really pops off in havics

[vernal trench]

Is it the 15% toughness for teamates

Whenever u regen

Is it that one

[hearty panther]

thats born leader

inspiring is 10% extra regen for everyone

[vernal trench]

Ah

[hearty panther]

its very not great tbh

[unreal nova]

Born leader is good if you stack toughness, but the one they mean is.

[vernal trench]

Yea its pretty dogshit imo

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah i think it's just regen

[unreal nova]

Boost toughness regen.

So coherency things.

[vernal trench]

Thats toughness rgeen for purely coherency right

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah it's for your teammates nor really you

[vernal trench]

U dont wanna rely on coherecy regen most if not all of the time anyway

[hearty panther]

no its all toughness regen

[umbral scaffold]

Oh damn really is that it

[hearty panther]

if i as a psyker kill three targets with a warp attack (7.5% x 3) inspiring gives me an extra 10%

[umbral scaffold]

Here's me thinking it does alot more haha

[vernal trench]

It can be a little tiny bit useful then

Not worth an extra point to bring imo

[hearty panther]

its not especially valuable though because nobody is kitting themselves out thinking "well, ill need a veteran with inspiring presence to round out my regen"

[umbral scaffold]

So I'll deffs be swapping that out

[hearty panther]

whereas born leader, you can be the battery

and lean into it deliberately

[vernal trench]

Born leader is the 15% regen for teamates for whatveer toughness u rget?

[hearty panther]

ye

[vernal trench]

So does this count as if someone shouts me

[uncut pebble]

Survivability isn't bad. The skill of the player using executioners stance is typically bad, though.
As for havocs, everyone is a glass cannon. It comes with the territory of shooters being able to burst you down in one go.

[vernal trench]

They get an extra 10% of the 50 toughness i get

from their shot

[uncut pebble]

No.

[umbral scaffold]

I honestly just liked the stagger it gave me 😆 came in handy on my difficulty but I guess as I progress ots gonna be uselss

[uncut pebble]

Shout grants a set amount of overtoughness, period.

[hearty panther]

you have 200 toughness, you get brought to 0 and you vet shout, you regen 250, you give everyone 50 from your shout, and youre giving everyone an extra 37 toughness on top of that too

[vernal trench]

Na because exec stance provide pretty much 0 toughness regen on ur own

Shout and infiltrate gets u full toughness back or more

Vets survivability is already low enough

[uncut pebble]

Do you understand how vet's toughness generation even works?

[vernal trench]

Its good if u have a team that can play well

[uncut pebble]

Genuine question.

[unreal nova]

You kill.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[vernal trench]

Try killing when ur clutching a game solo

U wont have time

[hearty panther]

what else are you gonna do but kill lmao

stand and block?

[vernal trench]

Run

[unreal nova]

'nade and run.

[vernal trench]

u gonna stand and kill a boss and a captain and 50 crushers in sime cases?

[unreal nova]

Use kraks like frags if you must.

[vernal trench]

u can kill in low havocs sure

Good luck doing that on a high havoc

[hearty panther]

you need to just

completely ditch havocs from this equation

[umbral scaffold]

Even w a good team ?

[hearty panther]

were talking with a dude who is playing a new 30

[crisp oak]

Get stuck in a corner, throw 3 frags, and then die

[unreal nova]

Havocs just need a good team.

[umbral scaffold]

U can't kill on high havoc?

[vernal trench]

well u wont need to clutch solo or duo with a good team

[unreal nova]

I rather just think of auric games as baseline for talking pugs.

[umbral scaffold]

Ahhh ok that's good to know

[vernal trench]

ur not gonna be killing if ur clutchign solo on a high havoc

U kill as u run at most

U dont hold a position and kill or even back up and constantly kill

[hearty panther]

lol

genuinely bad advice

[umbral scaffold]

Just run and nade

?

[crisp oak]

Clutch=kiting the horde

[vernal trench]

I mean fair enough but its still good info to know in the future

[hearty panther]

hold position, certainly not

run back and manage what's on your plate, yes

[crisp oak]

Yeah do a controlled retreat

[hearty panther]

if you run forward you're just going to pull in new aggro and get fucked

[umbral scaffold]

Cause when I try run I get smoked haha

[vernal trench]

What havocs do u play on im curious

[hearty panther]

40

[umbral scaffold]

I gotta manage my mob carefully

[hearty panther]

and frankly clutching havocs period is so far out of the realm of expectation

ive done it maybe thrice?

excluding times where it's just like, a respawn one room away

[vernal trench]

Well then its why u cant clutch a havoc

U dont retreat and kill them unless its specific situations

[hearty panther]

nah

[vernal trench]

A lot of times i revive the entire team after clutching the entire area just for them to die again

[hearty panther]

i dont know what else to say other than do not listen to this man

if u rush u get fuk, its a simple truth

[vernal trench]

Yea if u got a team

[unreal nova]

Unless you plan to stealth run with the 3 others.

[vernal trench]

What else do u wanna do when ur alone

[versed merlin]

bro why does zealot chat has slowmode enabled lmao what happened

[vernal trench]

All 3 of ur teamates are in the next area over

[versed merlin]

that used to be the best source of information for this game back when i played

[unreal nova]

Read the pins there. We aren't going to talk about it.

[vernal trench]

kill everything including a captain and boss that will spawn before u even get to ur teamates?

[umbral scaffold]

Cry

[versed merlin]

ahh ok

makes sense

[vernal trench]

I mean thats one solution

[versed merlin]

well, i want to ask how is the game looking nowadays. i stopped playing shortly after the orthus offensive and wanted to know if its worth coming back

[umbral scaffold]

It's gotten so good

[vernal trench]

Havocs brought me back into the game imo

[versed merlin]

back then game was fun but the crafting was fucking horrendous

[umbral scaffold]

Not even lieing

[vernal trench]

Yea u can max out a weapon and get the best roll easily now

[versed merlin]

oh

dont tempt me

[unreal nova]

Is now, RNG max stats and pray Hadron doesn't screw your item over.

[vernal trench]

And if u like high difficulties u got havoc 40s to play

[versed merlin]

whats havoc?

[vernal trench]

So imo this is the best state the game has been in l

[versed merlin]

its something harder than auric maelstrom?

[vernal trench]

Its basically an endgame mode

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[versed merlin]

damn

[vernal trench]

significantly

[versed merlin]

damn

[umbral scaffold]

New game mode the new hype atm

[unreal nova]

If you like it hard and raw, you get it there.

[versed merlin]

i was pretty shit in auric maelstroms tho ngl

[vernal trench]

auric maelstroms are boring if u find havoc 40s fun

[vernal trench]

i mean its not for everyone and it takes time to learn the mechanics

Map knowledge is extremely important

[versed merlin]

oh are there new maps as well?

[umbral scaffold]

It's like on spacemarine 2 the new max difficulty

[vernal trench]

Theres clandestine gloriana and dark communion

[unreal nova]

Dark Communion.

[umbral scaffold]

I think they added a train map

[vernal trench]

I think the 2 latest maps

[umbral scaffold]

Where ur on a train

[vernal trench]

yea rolling steel

[umbral scaffold]

Choo chooooo

[versed merlin]

shit thats cool asf dude

[vernal trench]

That ones fun but doing it with randoms is rough

[unreal nova]

Is like.

[vernal trench]

With a good team u can do it with a bot or two

[unreal nova]

Normal map, everyone wants to speedrun rush.

On Rolling Steel..

[umbral scaffold]

I noticed everyone tried to rush that one

[unreal nova]

Let me stand here and whack mobs while timer ticks down.

.-.

[umbral scaffold]

Like speeds past everything

[vernal trench]

Theres a timer

U need to rush it

timer runs out and u dont clear it u lose

[umbral scaffold]

Ohhh

Damn I'm a noob lol

[versed merlin]

ok its looking promising

[umbral scaffold]

It doesn't lag so much now

[vernal trench]

Na ull learn everything with time

[versed merlin]

i so much miss darktide but the clunkiness and the game looking in a state kinda dead back then were such a downer

[vernal trench]

Its ina. Good state now imo

[umbral scaffold]

Clunkiness is on its way out

[vernal trench]

Low havocs are comparible to auric maelstroms too

So theres more options

[unreal nova]

Naw, still clunky.

Unless they update everything with the sprint attacks and such.

[versed merlin]

well i can tank the clunkiness to an extent

[vernal trench]

yea u and ur 300 ping

[unreal nova]

HRMPH.

[umbral scaffold]

Less clunky imo tho

[vernal trench]

its fine for me aside from the rare disconnects in havocs

[versed merlin]

with crafting in a better state, new content and getting some regular updates from fs i wont mind

[vernal trench]

Yea i enjoy the game a lot

Craftibg was a pain before

[umbral scaffold]

Like I don't really lag anymore I might get a freeze here and there but yeah

[vernal trench]

Now dump 400k into mastery and rerolling a weapon and u got a maxed god roll weapon

[versed merlin]

i wonder how much the meta has shifted

[vernal trench]

Depends on what u play ig

[versed merlin]

i used to roll crusher zealot and agri shotty vet

[vernal trench]

By all means fuck the meta

Run what u like and make it work and work well

[umbral scaffold]

That's what I like about darktide

Meta isn't everything

[vernal trench]

Dont listen to youtubers telling u what to use and what not to use

[umbral scaffold]

U can do what u want

[vernal trench]

Especially mister e

[umbral scaffold]

Just might not work so great

[vernal trench]

That guy got no idea what hes talking about half the time

[versed merlin]

oh yeah, agri shotty never were on meta, but was fine to work with

like i hated plasma gun because it made aurics way too boring

[vernal trench]

Yea i dislike plasma gun

Too op and just stupid to use

[versed merlin]

absolutely

[umbral scaffold]

Sometimes I feel like the meta is just stuff people havnt experimented with

[vernal trench]

its what makes the game easiest

Skilless essentially

[versed merlin]

the only dt youtuber i ever listened to was telopots and some chocob videos

[umbral scaffold]

I feel like there's alot more we can do tho

[vernal trench]

U see a shout vet with plasma gun and dueling sword almost everytime in havocs

Its so boring and takes no skill

[versed merlin]

dueling swords huh?

[umbral scaffold]

I ise dueling and bolt pistol

Have been using shout but I might change

[vernal trench]

Yea its the best melee weapon for the most part

[versed merlin]

damn so theres a lot of new stuff here

ok im sold lol

[vernal trench]

I dont use it because survivability isnt good for what i play

[versed merlin]

ima download dt tonight during my sleep

[umbral scaffold]

I got a God rollone from the weekly contracts

[vernal trench]

Yea go for it

[versed merlin]

im super excited for it

[umbral scaffold]

It's like nearly 80 everything with 500 score

[vernal trench]

Theres tons of new stuff if last time u played was twins

[vernal trench]

U wanna get 60 on a dump stat

[umbral scaffold]

They added some cool weapons for zealot and psyker

[vernal trench]

u can roll them easily with like 200k coins in the brunts armory

Most of tge time

[unreal nova]

Just steal Chaos stuff, ezy.

[umbral scaffold]

Oh so 80snot ideal?

[tough tiger]

dont hate the player, hate the game
havoc is the reason why you always see that setup

[vernal trench]

Everything 80 with a dump stat 60 is ideal

For most weapons

[tough tiger]

maybe if fatshark wasnt so stingy with the ammo, ppl would use other stuff

[vernal trench]

I mean its not

[umbral scaffold]

Whats dump stat mean

[unreal nova]

Only plasma needs the most ridiculous gamble.

[umbral scaffold]

Smh I'm so new

[versed merlin]

a stat you have no use for

[vernal trench]

People just dont wanna experiment and use it just so the game is easier

[versed merlin]

or its not important

[umbral scaffold]

So dump stat for vet would be?

[vernal trench]

Survivalist is pretty mandatory but not shout or plasma

[unreal nova]

69 thermal 71 charge.

[tough tiger]

what if i tell you that ppl have and they have come to the conclusion that only plasma, heavy laspistol and recon is worth your time?

[versed merlin]

ahh survivalist

didnt they nerf that passive sometime ago?

[vernal trench]

Well then they dont know what theyre doing

[unreal nova]

BOLT PISTOL.

[umbral scaffold]

I really feel like the bolt pistol is slept on...

[vernal trench]

U dont need meta to play havocs

[unreal nova]

I WILL COMMISSAR YOUR ASS.

[vernal trench]

If u wanna make it the easiest sure

Maybe aside from exec stance cuz the skill level for that to survive and clutch in situations is insane ive never seen anyone use it

[umbral scaffold]

It's really satisfying to use

[vernal trench]

Exec stance is actually situational depending on the team

[vernal trench]

Idk its just not for me

[umbral scaffold]

It goes great when my teammates are alive

[vernal trench]

Only thing good about it for me is reload speed and speed

[umbral scaffold]

But when I'm solo I struggle w it

[vernal trench]

I run bolter myself and it works well with how i play

[hearty panther]

i see more bistols than bolters in havoc at least

[umbral scaffold]

That's what I like about it tbh

[unreal nova]

Make boomies better.

[vernal trench]

I almost never see bolt pistols and i play a ton of havocs

[umbral scaffold]

I can get around well w it

And shoot accurately

[vernal trench]

Yea bolt pistol works really well with a slow melee weapon

U get that mobility u need while ur melee can horde clear

And u can quick switch and dump a bullet or two

[unreal nova]

Just throw 3 frags.

[tough tiger]

bistol ammo economy holds it back, the bolter is just a better option

[vernal trench]

Or do that for a horde

[umbral scaffold]

That perk that makes you able to shoot while sprinting and lowers the bullet spread

[vernal trench]

Yea but some builds ud wanna be running bolt pistol for the mobility

[umbral scaffold]

Plus the bleed stacks

[unreal nova]

Nu, Lethal prox and Puncture.

[vernal trench]

Bolt pistol buff ur frags like crazy too

[umbral scaffold]

That's the explosions aye

Close kill explosions

[vernal trench]

Yea

[umbral scaffold]

Or kill explosions

[unreal nova]

It also makes things that should not be bleeding bleed.

[vernal trench]

Im not a big fan of only 8 shots tho so i rarelt use bolt pistol

[unreal nova]

Because bigger radius.

[umbral scaffold]

Yes that's what I saw a YouTube say it makes your grenades better

[vernal trench]

Yea it does

[unreal nova]

It does.

Also works with kraks.

But not as well.

[versed merlin]

im guessing revolver got nuked to the ground since no one mentioned it

[unreal nova]

You can now use kraks as emergency horde clear.

[hearty panther]

revolver still very strong

[umbral scaffold]

Ah neat nice to know i have some synergy goin

[hearty panther]

it just doesnt dome through four shotgunners anymore

[vernal trench]

Its still good outside havocs but bolt pistol is a better option in havocs

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah revolver still very strong

[versed merlin]

oh interesting

so new breakpoints in havoc is that it?

[vernal trench]

ammo economy is shit with revolver

[umbral scaffold]

I was using it on my psyker till I could unlock the voidblast

[versed merlin]

there must be a really huge gap between builds from auric to havoc then

[vernal trench]

High havocs i think enemies have double health

Not sure cuz they dont tell u

[versed merlin]

holy shit

[tough tiger]

just.... no

[unreal nova]

You have like 2/3rd HP and toughness.

[vernal trench]

But reapers and crushers have 8000 i think

[faint beacon]

It’s not an insane difference but for example

[tough tiger]

[unreal nova]

Everything has like 2-3 x HP.

[vernal trench]

Na

[faint beacon]

Damnation to havoc difficulty aka 35+

[versed merlin]

wait so in the training room, are the enemies that stand there for you to shoot and test stuff using t5 health or havoc health?

[faint beacon]

Makes a crusher go from 4000 to 4800

[unreal nova]

It just feels that way.

[tough tiger]

x1.5

[vernal trench]

U sure about that

[vernal trench]

i keep hearing people say reapers and crushers have 8k health

[faint beacon]

It’s enough to permanently fuck over BPs

[vernal trench]

Thats double

[faint beacon]

Pus hardened

[vernal trench]

I dont have healthbar mod so idk

[faint beacon]

Makes ranged deal .5x damage

Aka

Doubles their health

[versed merlin]

man thats insane

[vernal trench]

So their health without pus hardened is 1.5x?

[faint beacon]

You have to melee or DOT in order to bypass that

[unreal nova]

It's still 5 DS4 pokes to hed per crusher.

[vernal trench]

yea

Or just shoot it more

[vernal trench]

Na

[unreal nova]

4-5.

[vernal trench]

I think 2-4 with thrust and uncanny somewhere around that

Hard to tell cuz i dont use healthbar mod

[unreal nova]

I don't use thrust.

[tough tiger]

dont bother with thrust

[unreal nova]

Uncanny yes.

[vernal trench]

Its good depending on how u play

[tough tiger]

by the time u get max stack thrust, u would have done 2 heavies already

[vernal trench]

Ur not gonna be spamming 2 heavies sometimes

Easier to 1 tap something a lot of times

[unreal nova]

H1, special, h1, special.

[tough tiger]

this

[vernal trench]

Still

[tough tiger]

the solution to everything

[vernal trench]

Or just kill them before u even special them

dueling sword is too overused anyway

[tough tiger]

real rejects run agile to dodge the 5 crusher overhead chain

[unreal nova]

Oh, you guessed my other blessing.

[vernal trench]

Just time ur dodge refreshes

No point wasting a blessing for something u can time imo

[tough tiger]

chonky here speaks a lot of theory, i wonder how much practice he has

[unreal nova]

300 ping with possible packet loss.

INF dodge go.

[vernal trench]

Everytjing i say i do

[versed merlin]

you can parry a crusher overhead with the catachan parry

never managed to get it right tho

[vernal trench]

Yea na just shoot the crushers at that point

[unreal nova]

I have flamer.

[vernal trench]

Ur not a zealot u dont wanna be meleeing 6 crushers 5 bulwarks 5 maulers at once anyway

Thats stupid

[faint beacon]

Uncanny Bleed Knives 🚬

[unreal nova]

Do you you really want me to flamer crushers?

[tough tiger]

real

[vernal trench]

grenade them fall back and shoot

[vernal trench]

Yea thats what i run

Mk 6 knife as well

Better than mk 3

[tough tiger]

what do u shoot them with tho?

[faint beacon]

Nothing I love more than watching the DOT ramp up from 12 to 200+ cause I slashed a maulers face a few times

Lmao

[vernal trench]

Well depends on ur build

i use bolter

so i have no problems wiping them out with my bolter

Even easier with plasma gun

[unreal nova]

Also, shooting them with bolt pistol will do nothing.

[vernal trench]

grenades is also good when an armored horde comes

[unreal nova]

In damnation, it's min 7 shots, assuming 1-2 crits.

[faint beacon]

If it’s havoc that’s probably not too well on your ammo Econ

Hence shredder spam is like the gold standard for veteran

[tough tiger]

running bolter in havoc means no one else gets to take ammo

[vernal trench]

Im the vet, im gonna be taking a large portion of the ammo anyway

[vernal trench]

Not if ur team is smart and ur smart with how u use

[faint beacon]

4 bullets

[vernal trench]

When to drop the 2 ammocrates when u need it

Survivalist gives enough ammo regen for most other people

Plus a couple pick ups here and there

[unreal nova]

1 drop of fuel every 5 secs...

[faint beacon]

Exact reason I run Recon Infernus ammo efficiency build so the Zealot can help with extremely bad mixed horde build up

With the flamer

[vernal trench]

Most zealots run flamer or bolter

I play in games with 2 zealots pretty often

Only time ammo is an issue is if an ammo crate spawns late and we have beast of nurgles or extra bosses