veteran-class

[tame lodge]

Unless mk5

[tall torrent]

Surgical
Hotshot
Weight of fire

[sharp echo]

what abt the mk5

[tall torrent]

Same exact blessing choices basically

[wanton dawn]

Even vrak inf is kinda struggling atm. H40 do be like that

[sharp echo]

ok

whatrt abhytou the perks

[tall torrent]

Which variant are u using

[sharp echo]

idk

i will t est which one i like

and then i will come back here

[tame lodge]

Check the bayo as well

[topaz smelt]

Good one is low dmg fast charge speed don't recall the mark

It's the first one

[sharp echo]

ive played helbore a long time ago but i forgot everything about it so im just rediscovering

[topaz smelt]

The others take too long to pick up on weight of fire so it feels clunky and bad

[sharp echo]

There is a bug when i am changing marks??

did i win the video game?

why is all 100%?

[wanton dawn]

Well, if look like a bug

[sharp echo]

ok mk 4 is slashing bayonet

cooll

[topaz smelt]

Ita a bug with the extended weapon customization mod, remove it and it's fixed

[sharp echo]

oh

they update the mod yet or do i just need to remove

because i use that mod always

[topaz smelt]

I used to keep it but still not fixed for me, some people say it's working

Not for me anyways so I just don't use it

[sharp echo]

it doesn't affect the game any way right so i can ignore

i know the stats it has

[topaz smelt]

Also, weight of fire blessing increases DPS

[sharp echo]

ik i need more mastery

[topaz smelt]

It speeds the charge

[sharp echo]

ok so it looks like Mk V is the fastest

and MK IV is slowest but does more damage

[tame lodge]

Hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game iirc

[sharp echo]

I like the mk iv

[tame lodge]

[sharp echo]

it feels satisfying

it's the same feeling the recon lasgun gives with the celerity stim but like

reverse

holy this basically 2 shots crushers

oh i think that's was surgical giving me crits

or some other talent

[hollow ibex]

Prob surgical

[tall torrent]

It can 1 tap crushers

[pastel pumice]

What can

[tame lodge]

Helby 4

[tall torrent]

Helbore IV

[pastel pumice]

I'm missing out

What are the bps

Could use that for my krieg build

[tall torrent]

Needs exe stance + marksman + rending + marksman’s focus

Unless u take carapace on it for some reason

[pastel pumice]

Carapace on Helbores is crazy work

[tall torrent]

Elite is gunner 1HS while also helping vs crusher

Maniac is flamer 1HS

[pastel pumice]

Do you usually go Maniac and Unarmored

[tall torrent]

No

Unarmored is only for mk V

[pastel pumice]

Ahh

[tall torrent]

IIIa and IV use elite + maniac

[pastel pumice]

Maniac + Elite

Wordd

Another day, another enlightenment

[wanton dawn]

Apparently we are the less unhinged class chat eh ? Maybe ignorance is bliss

[pastel pumice]

it's factual

orgryn chat is just funny

[faint beacon]

Ogryn chat is a mixed bag

Psyker chat is getting the Zealot refugees

[tall torrent]

I blame ogryns only having 2 good melee weapons on them not complaining hard enough

[faint beacon]

Nothing ever happens here which is why veteran chat is superior

[wanton dawn]

Proud to be boring

[tall torrent]

I also blame veterans only having 4.5 good melee weapons on us not complaining hard enough

[faint beacon]

On fucking god 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[pastel pumice]

I more or less complain about the weapons we didnt get/dont have so far

[pseudo fiber]

I hope I get a power fist

[wanton dawn]

Ehh... remember first talent tree update?

[pastel pumice]

Where is my powerfist

[wanton dawn]

I sure was complaining

[tall torrent]

Yea Vraks III was running wild

Then they nerfed it into dogshit

[latent parcel]

I miss my vraks

[pseudo fiber]

I miss it a lot

[tall torrent]

One mag plague ogryn
4 burst crusher
1~2 burst almost every other enemy

[wanton dawn]

I still miss old bolter. And bayo

[tall torrent]

People legit thought recon was the problem when Vraks III was deleting everything off the map

[faint beacon]

BM bayonet….

[wanton dawn]

Getting accused of cheating was my highlight

[latent parcel]

I only play with Maff cuz he cheats

[wanton dawn]

ShhhhhhhHHHHHHHH

Don't say i play healtbar

[latent parcel]

His powersword has 12 charges like the old power cycler

I've SEEN IT

[pseudo fiber]

he's got the mk6 with infinite swings

[wanton dawn]

AH ! He never seen the infinite

[latent parcel]

Ya

[pseudo fiber]

for the like 5 days that was a bug

[latent parcel]

Oh I wasn't around for that

I'm talking about the old school power cycler that nobody had.... I had it though

[wanton dawn]

Doing 80 swing in psy to check if it ever stopped

[latent parcel]

Lolol

[wanton dawn]

I have another good one. Lemme find it

[latent parcel]

You playing Maff?

[wanton dawn]

In 30m i gurss

Ah, found it #veteran-class message

[latent parcel]

Kk

[wanton dawn]

Twas me memeing on 120 crushers solo

Then thunderous got nerfed

[tame lodge]

[lilac kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoOonQfZZTM

[tame lodge]

That bug still in the game for the ripper and Heavy Stubber

[wanton dawn]

That was meta though

[tame lodge]

So if you get a Flechette ripper with the crit node you can bleed waves at 0 ammo still

You just gotta click fast

[lilac kayak]

Oh

[frank ledge]

There is no flavour without sport
-Rinda

Can't wait for fatshark to fully animate grogball minigame on the next map

[lilac kayak]

Speaking of karnak twins
Havoc would be hell if they replaced the melee boss with the Melee twin instead

[wanton dawn]

Meh, she is not the hard part

[pseudo fiber]

Rodin's shit bombs

[lilac kayak]

Well she would make clutching hell for sure

[wanton dawn]

Rodin is the real threat

[tall torrent]

Nah Rinda is just sword captain with a dash

Rodin however

Would be really bad to fight

Fortunately he’s dead asf

[narrow frost]

Hardest part of twins is rodin's mines

[wanton dawn]

Definitely dead

[pseudo fiber]

thank god

[tall torrent]

Orthus offensive came out with Rodin’s model having gore settings

[wanton dawn]

Imagine if we saw him again

Would be bad

[tall torrent]

So he’s 100% turbo dead

[wanton dawn]

Yeah

Definitely

[lilac kayak]

Who's to say they would dare bring the karnak modifier back?

[wanton dawn]

They would NEVER

[faint beacon]

Casually ignore the fact Rodin died for our sins in the Dark Communion mission

[tame lodge]

I mean
Did we get his body or just left there

[wanton dawn]

There is NO sign that we would EVER reexplore the twins at ALL

[faint beacon]

It vanishes cause of some stupid Nurgle magic

So that’s up in the air what exactly is happening to his corpse

[wanton dawn]

Eheheh... "up in the air"

[lilac kayak]

Rodin 2.0 resurrected

Jk

[tame lodge]

Well
No body no kill (except he's dead lmao)

Had a nice voice though

[wanton dawn]

Cantcwait to see him bully wolfer

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-darktide-rave-40k-kruber-gif-26978274

And the music

[tiny junco]

Finally trying Lucius hellbore, running a mk5 with Surgical and WoF. Thinking about getting Rending Strikes and Onslaught in Talents. Thoughts?

[wanton dawn]

Onslaught ? eeehhh

[latent parcel]

Maff runs onslaught with his plasma dont let him fool you.

[tall torrent]

Dreg cultist boss reusing rodin’s gas traps

[faint beacon]

Rending strikes I mean fair? But not really needed

Onslaught never use

[tall torrent]

Not worth

[faint beacon]

Never on Helbore

[crisp oak]

Onslaught wont proc fast enough

Rending strikes is ehh

[topaz smelt]

I crave some plasma pistol bruv

[wanton dawn]

Keep in mind that onslaught need 5 shot to get even with rending strike

[tall torrent]

Nah his soul got turbo killed in dark communion’s end event

He’s as dead as one can be in 40k universe

[pastel pumice]

Bro the captains have some sort of

Volkite pistol

[tiny junco]

Oh hell, good thing I didn't take Onslaught.

[pastel pumice]

That's badass

[topaz smelt]

Yeah id pay cash to get that as as skin

[tall torrent]

Nah, just plasma gun

[pastel pumice]

Ah

Unfortunate for the captains

[wanton dawn]

One day I will really run a 3 wound onslaugh plasma chainaxe build just to scare pubs off

[topaz smelt]

It does look somewhat smaller than the plasma gun

[wanton dawn]

With infiltrate smoke and speed aura'

[latent parcel]

hell yeah

[tall torrent]

Moebian 6th is supposed to be an elite fighting force

I want them to give scab gunner carapace torso

[faint beacon]

Pure right side vet

[wanton dawn]

and shredder pistol and mf

[faint beacon]

Holy peak

[topaz smelt]

I will try my build on a havoc 30 and come back with results

[wanton dawn]

Fear me

[latent parcel]

hey thats my build

wait no... i took deadshot over precision strikes

[faint beacon]

It’s funny you post that MF combo when it actually works on aggressive builds LMAO

[wanton dawn]

I am doing some adjustment

[tame lodge]

Armourbane

[wanton dawn]

ill need to build a chaxe and shredder. Later

[tame lodge]

8 to 12 stacks of brittleness basically instantly

[wanton dawn]

Am in btw.

[tame lodge]

Hmm
Support helby v Armourbane Vet but I support a Recon vet without Onslaught

Hmmmm

[latent parcel]

loading up

[wanton dawn]

I shall do my favorite game in the meantimes

checking rando build

Here is one:

With 1 wound curios, infernus headtaker mk7 kant

Nice

[faint beacon]

The illusion of choice

[warm walrus]

hey, does demo team work now?

it's the 5% for a free grenade whenever you kill an elite

i remember it was bugged

[pseudo fiber]

it nemver was

[faint beacon]

It’s been for ages you might just be getting unlucky

[warm walrus]

rog, then my memory's faulty

more stuff
plasma

what's a good dump stat?

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t have one

[tall torrent]

Perfect roll plasma

80 damage
80 stopping power
80 ammo
68-69 thermal resist
71-72 charge rate

[warm walrus]

thank you

[warm walrus]

im dumb. i realized you had a guide and im looking it over rn

[tall torrent]

I hope I enjoy reading

[warm walrus]

flak+elite

thinking of optimized cooling and blaze away too

[tall torrent]

Nah

Unarmored + flak

I prob should update my word guide but my focus is on steam guide rn

[warm walrus]

ah gotcha

unarmored covers like maniac/unyielding?

[tall torrent]

No

Unarmored is just unarmored

[warm walrus]

ah okay

[proven garden]

theres a link in the pins that mentions the armor type of every enemy

[halcyon blaze]

It ain't easy being the Cutthroat Vet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBy0xvlR7e0

[topaz smelt]

you can dump charge rate

since youll be left clicking

[tall torrent]

Charge rate affects hipfire’s prefire delay

[unreal nova]

And it feels dook with 80 already.

[topaz smelt]

never noticed it

you mean the cadency increases right

[tall torrent]

Pre-fire delay (time between clicking m1 and shot actually going off)

[topaz smelt]

but why is that a thing

[tall torrent]

Well. It is written in game

[topaz smelt]

time between pulling the trigger and the thing coming out of gun

is kinda weird

[tall torrent]

And going above 69% thermal doesn’t change anything

You still get same 8 shots until vent

So it’s pointless

[topaz smelt]

ic

[tall torrent]

Might as well make ur gun shoot faster

[topaz smelt]

makes sense

given the spaghetti code

[tall torrent]

This is ultra min max that most people will not need to get into

If broke on resources I think thermal resist dump is better

80% charge rate feels so much better than 60%

And u only lose 1 shot in continuous fire

After u reach max heat it’s the same 2 shots from 1 vent tick

So core function is unchanged

[stiff merlin]

Okay, if this has been said before I don't think it got pinned anywhere, what is the point of Melk now?

[dusty hedge]

lets you skip Empowering a weapon to 500, saves some dockets

only if you find a perfect roll in there though

[stiff merlin]

or close enough to perfect, I mean I heard rumors that he can have weird shit like straight 75%s but like, idk if I want to trust the reddit on that lol

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent is this the updated born leader build? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c4013c8-2411-40b7-b11b-d7dca0c52b62/healing-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[proven garden]

You buy his gold weapons and then sell them for diamantine

That’s like his best use lmao

[tall torrent]

Why duelling sword

Ur not getting enough value out of o4b

Get a power sword or smth

[orchid hemlock]

oh true

i forgot to change the melee weapon

[stiff merlin]

I guess he's also a good source of curios if you can find a good one and I guess if you need stuff to sacrifice? And leveling your other less important classes lol

[proven garden]

Is power sword dump still cleave damage or do I dump mobility now

[unreal nova]

Is cleave target.

[faint beacon]

Either mobility or cleave target but you do massively notice mobility dump

[pseudo fiber]

you learn so much looking at randoms gear

[proven garden]

oh its actually useful for psword?

thats wild

how do I choose between bm and sunder

[pseudo fiber]

mk6 bm mk3 either

[faint beacon]

BM if it’s Mk6

Sunder or BM if Mk3

[proven garden]

dont remember marks rn its the one that has light spam horde clear

[hollow ibex]

BM then

[faint beacon]

Light spam is BM

[proven garden]

bm it is

[faint beacon]

Heavy spam is Sunder

[proven garden]

alright htanks

elite maniac?

[hollow ibex]

I believe that's what I use as well

[mellow adder]

I'm sacrificing some old weapons for Mastery and was wondering which one should I keep? Left or right?

[visual remnant]

Neither

Chum them

[terse idol]

Imo kill both of them and roll for a mobility dump stat 😌
If you're on a budget though keep left imo

[mellow adder]

just found this so I guess ill sacrifice them both until i find something better than this one lol

[pale pecan]

Ngl

I dump Shredder on my chainswords

I rarely use the special and I definitely get more value from the extra mobility.

I should consider making a mobility stick CS

[proven garden]

Smoke grenade goes kinda hard ngl

[heavy bridge]

Ive been trying double barrel

i don't think I'm very good at it though lol, soometimes I feel like I need to be in melee range to kill specials

[hollow ibex]

Run it with weapon specialist to guarantee crits

That'll help extend the effective range

Against squishy specialists at least

[heavy bridge]

that's what im doing, but still feels like is whiffs sometimes

I think Boltgun has just spoiled me

[tall torrent]

It has very short range
Against most specialists you can hipfire 2 tap them up to ~9m

The braced double shot is more for elites and mixed horde at very close range (almost point blank)

[orchid hemlock]

if u switch back to melee will this still proc?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tawny badger]

switching out of ranged no longer makes you drop exec so uhhhhhh ye

[heavy bridge]

oh that might be my problem, I was always double shotting because I assumed you'd want tog et max value from the Weapon Spec crit

[proven garden]

Can I get a couple builds for penance completion

Need exe stance, infiltrate, close and kill, marksman focus and focus target

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/bvndit-dead-chat-dead-group-chat-lol-gif-26075659

[orchid hemlock]

go to zealot chat

[loud belfry]

cant post a dead chat image :((

[orchid hemlock]

yeah but it isn't dead there

[loud belfry]

true, it was for like 9m when i posted this one though

[orchid hemlock]

https://youtube.com/shorts/8BgN8T1zo6o?si=Y2EFvknXChrROq4z

[proven garden]

2 million ordo dockets and i still cant get the plasma gun godroll

ill just dump heat resistance ngl im not even gonna use this weapon once i max the mastery

[hollow ibex]

yeah i spent 2m as well, still no perfect roll

path spent 5m

[narrow sand]

What’s the dump stat for the las pistol and assault chainsword?

[proven garden]

I have discovered that I cannot count to 20 while also counting my shots

Hate this place

[formal ice]

Mobility

Easy pick

[narrow sand]

Ahh thank you and what’s more commissar themed for the melee weapons out of curiosity

[formal ice]

A weapon that could be used by a commissah?

Probably any lasgun

That thing is overrated for the humans

[narrow sand]

And melee?

[formal ice]

Chain weapons and knife

Mostly chain sword

[proven garden]

Does plasma gun count as a las weapon

[hollow ibex]

negative

[fading yarrow]

Is it bad to feel oddly titillated about a team of three True Survivors playing like trash

[hollow ibex]

nah, i get it

because they aren't ASS

[formal ice]

What the heck man

[pure kindle]

Nah, it feels great. I don't think I've ever seen someone with True Survivor or Auric Storm Surivor who played like you'd think that person would play.

[loud belfry]

(ignore the guy with 66, he left after going down within like 3 minutes)

[hollow ibex]

5k damage wtf

ogryn?

[hollow ibex]

i've seen plenty of people with ASS play like ASS

[hybrid island]

How does one take 3k or 5k damage

[loud belfry]

nope he was a veteran

[hollow ibex]

that's counting hp damage right?

[loud belfry]

by being carried very hard i guess. these dudes were dead half the game

[hollow ibex]

how lol

[loud belfry]

it was only auric 4 too

actually no, normal maelstrom E I III VII heresy

(i have no clue what the numbers mean :) )

[hybrid island]

Most times the worst player I can see would take over 1k

But 3k

They need to die a lot to achieve it

[loud belfry]

quite impressive to get 5k damage taken despite only dying 5 times total, knock down numbers are actually the exact same too

[tall torrent]

Down, get revived, down again, get revived, die, get rescued, down, get revived, repeat

[glad orchid]

which recon lasgun mark is best after XII?

[lyric portal]

late night havocing be like (wait 30 min for 3 people)

[formal ice]

Wednesday

[hollow ibex]

none, because XII is the worst 😉

[formal ice]

Are you sure?

[lyric portal]

30th min at the havoc table ^

i only need 23 zealot matches and i can move to vet

[formal ice]

99% of havoc hosters leave before getting a full team

Keep going

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[lyric portal]

[formal ice]

Huh, I always thought that was the best

At least for crits

[hollow ibex]

too bad fatshart couldn't be bothered to make a proper matchmaker

[hollow ibex]

well if all you want is crits to proc infernus and literally nothing else then yeah XII's prob better in most circumstances

[formal ice]

Nobody wanted to use the team finder so they forced everyone to use it when doing havoc

[hollow ibex]

yeah i'm pretty sure they added a new gamemode to force people to use party finder

or discord

for matchmaking

[formal ice]

Finally Fartshark made their players make friends to play

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent Realizing im attempting a rashad build but this literally isn't needed cause of BM right?

[tall torrent]

u get 3.6 instead of 1.8 cleave at 100% peril, with 5 stacks of Headtaker

[hollow ibex]

on rashad psyker i didn't take warp splitting either

wait rashad lights only have 1.8 cleave?

oof

[faint beacon]

Doesn't really fucking matter with BM?

or just grab it

[tall torrent]

1.5

headtaker +25% melee strength

goes to 1.8

[tall torrent]

BM is unrelated to cleave

[hollow ibex]

that's brutal

[tall torrent]

however

there is 1 thing

rashad PA is 8 cleave

with max headtaker u get 10

with 100% peril warp splitting, u get 20

that's 5 dreg ragers staggered

or 2 scab ragers

[faint beacon]

So its actually kinda fucking worth it

[tall torrent]

well

I think usually not

for axe

partly because it's really hard to maintain high peril with rashad in the first place

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-suffering-from-success-this-so-cute-what-a-lovely-morning-oh-ma-gad-gif-11233135040670052230

[tall torrent]

if u take by crack of bone u extend scrier's gaze tremendously

[hollow ibex]

yeah not being able to get high peril easily because of rashad really is just peak suffering from success

[tall torrent]

to the point where u might spend more time building scrier's gaze than for scrier's gaze to be at max

[lyric portal]

[faint beacon]

I took notice

In pysk saw I was sitting at like

fucking 30 SG stacks for a solid

5-7 seconds

[hollow ibex]

it's how i got the SG penance lol

FGS gets all the glory now

but rashad was the original bonker weapon

[faint beacon]

Rashad will always be busted

lmao'

[hollow ibex]

playing melee psyker before it was cool

[tall torrent]

not rly for psyker

but it'd be really funny if their best generalist melee ends up being a kinetic flayer rashad

[hollow ibex]

psyker rashad does kinda struggle against crushers and maulers

but against everything else, it's still a rashad lol

[proven garden]

Does plasma even blow you up if you overload I tried killing myself but it just made a beep noise and auto vented a little

[tall torrent]

left click can't blow up

has auto vent feature if u try to shoot at 100%

[proven garden]

nuts

should I take overwatch on infiltrate if im trying to spam it as much as possible

or do i just keep it on one charge and pop it whenever its ready

does vet have any cdr talents besides tactical awareness thats worth getting

[faint beacon]

Rashad Focused Psyker did pretty well

I only had incidents when it was reaper spam but thats about it

[loud belfry]

no weakspot rate smh

[proven garden]

What gun would be best to do 2500 kills with 10+ stacks of marksman focus

[faint beacon]

I just had an incredibly

meth head induced vision

and Path is going to hate that im going to consider it

EE is hilarious abusing right, what if I got a melee (Cough cough Taxe)

that could abuse it as much as humanely possible

[grand perch]

EE being?

(also absolutely do it with taxe)

[wanton dawn]

Vrak inf autogun imo

That's how i did it. Was pleasant

Then i saw all post of ppl complaining about it being too long with single shot weapon like ilas

How ppl think farming 2k5 hs kill with single shot precision weapon would be a good idea...

[grand perch]

i did it with vigilant graia VII (the single shot)
that took a while

[hollow ibex]

i tried it, didn't work well

though granted i'm lazy and used mk4 for light spam

and you just don't get the insane attack speed bonuses on zealot to make up fro the lack of horde clear

[tall torrent]

Not enough uptime

[proven garden]

alright thanks

[faint beacon]

Empathic Evasion aka Ghost as a talent on Psyker

the most busted Talent Psyker has

[dry cloak]

Remember melee kills also count

[austere mica]

Lawbringer

[proven garden]

what is lawbringer

[austere mica]

Flat alt shells that can easily do 20 kills a shot

[dry cloak]

Zarona combat shotty

[proven garden]

dont i need to stand perfectly still to avoid losing stacks in melee though

[austere mica]

Oh this poor generation

Living with the new shitty combat shotgun names

[dry cloak]

With upgrades no

[proven garden]

i have poor memory even if i knew it by the old name i probably forgot somewhere along the road

[dry cloak]

Its still preferae but less required

[dry cloak]

If fat shark decided name changes were in order they did. We cant to anything

[austere mica]

It was most likely a GW decision

[dry cloak]

Also fun fact flavor text still uses old names

[austere mica]

Win

(make sure you ADS for deadshot crit chance)

[proven garden]

what add ons do i take for the keystone

[austere mica]

I might be fucking stupid hold on

[austere mica]

My dumb ass forgetting you need a keystone

[proven garden]

ay caramba

sweet its got infiltrate i can do two penances at once

actually im gonna fiddle with it a bit to take scavenger so i can do 3 penances at once

[austere mica]

Pop infil to fire uninterrupted

[proven garden]

I been popping it to run into the biggest horde I can find for suppression

[hearty panther]

oh hey

i got make every shot count

entirely by accident, playing normally

only took 3850hrs apparently

[pastel pumice]

Good job fellow veteran

[hearty panther]

thats funny as hell actually

like i had actually picked up ammo during the escape, on dreyko

and wouldve boarded with 2 shells left in the DB if not for the zealot who was flamethrowering the horde from the dropship ramp getting dogged

which made me go "eh" and double-blast it

little did i know, i was several steps ahead of even MYSELF

[pastel pumice]

We love to see that

[wanton dawn]

Finally got the carapace helmet eh ?

At least it doesnt smell like cheese

[hearty panther]

goes to show how little i care for the penances lmao

[wanton dawn]

I still havent got 4 leaf clover

[dry cloak]

then get leveling

[wanton dawn]

no

[dry cloak]

fer enof

[hearty panther]

"you got me there"

[calm shard]

CAMOUFLAGE

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288287202249408616/1328580520300249088/speed-2.gif

@tall torrent do you know what this is?

[wanton dawn]

A strange looking beast of nurgle

[loud belfry]

literal caterpillar

[vernal trench]

this guy put infiltrate in griefing tier for havoc 40

guy knows nothing💀

[loud belfry]

"you are either goated or griefing"

[wanton dawn]

I realize i never used ds4 in havoc yet

[vernal trench]

he put it in straight griefing

[loud belfry]

oh ik just think that sentence/tier is funny

[wanton dawn]

I mean... it is vet chat. You know youtube take get immediate dissaproval

For good reason but still

[proven garden]

I feel like plasma would be really ammo hungry in havoc

It’s already ammo hungry normally

[raw needle]

It's alright

There's a fuckload of elites

[wanton dawn]

The thing is... "not really"

[raw needle]

You don't notice it at all compared to a regular run

[vernal trench]

if u need golden toughness constantlyto not die u suck at the game lmfao

[wanton dawn]

In any case, i put infiltrate at griefing tier too. Cuz ppl only play it when i am exe stance

Makes me angry

[proven garden]

Exe stance sounds cool as shit but in reality you instantly lose hair the moment someone kills your target

[vernal trench]

exec is insane but u need a good team

[proven garden]

5 seconds is somehow a lot of time and way too little time

[vernal trench]

infiltrate u can carry the entire team if they suck ass and keep dying

[sleek garden]

Exy stance in havoc 40 with a good lasgun works great until some jackboot shocks a shotgunner and you're trying to hit his head but he's jerking around

[proven garden]

Exec reminds me of zed time extension in kf2 but more focused on helping yourself

[vernal trench]

thats the definitiion of a skill issue

[sleek garden]

and then you've spent 5 straight seconds trying to headshot a single dude

[austere mica]

Mmmmm I love mister e and his utter shit takes

[proven garden]

Only used exec with hellbore and that was for the two penances

[wanton dawn]

The problems of exe are solely on the survability side

[vernal trench]

u can hold an executioner stance for over a minute straight a ton of times in high havocs

[sleek garden]

Me too

[proven garden]

I was struggling with them until I realized that melee kills counted for the extension

[vernal trench]

yea ur survivability is shit

[proven garden]

Then I just died because I was trying to rush with power sword

Whoops

[sleek garden]

I'm just saying sometimes the enemy gains a kind of hyper awareness and they hit a 180° turn on a dime when you're trying to walk them into your gun

[vernal trench]

lmao yea it happens but executioner stance is still really good but a glass cannon

[wanton dawn]

Exe stance with bolter, viag or brauto is a fun adventure

[sleek garden]

I like it with bolter

[proven garden]

Doesn’t the bolter have a small mag and a slow reload

[sleek garden]

15 rounds yeah

[wanton dawn]

Doesnt bother me on exe

[sleek garden]

but it's not a 5 second reload

[proven garden]

Or is the mag “larger” because you are aiming

[sleek garden]

You will have to be tight with the immediate followup shot

[proven garden]

Instead of unloading the entire thing into a crusher pack

[sleek garden]

Thump thump thump thump

Dead crusher

thump thump

[vernal trench]

15 shots is a lot more than u would think when ur actually using it

[sleek garden]

dead reaper

[proven garden]

Haven’t used it on vet yet so I can’t say but on zealot it always feels like too little

[sleek garden]

I've probably built mine wrong, takes up to 4 headshots to kill a crusher

[vernal trench]

its definitely ammo hungry tho

[wanton dawn]

I like exe bolter but you are a slow paper that eat ammo

[vernal trench]

well zealot u just dump a mag and go melee anyway not like it matters

[proven garden]

Yea

https://tenor.com/view/grand-pa-old-man-ohh-kill-em-gif-15634821

[sleek garden]

as veteran it's more like a giant dmr that has wide stagger and suppression

[proven garden]

Dmr weapons are cool

[vernal trench]

they need to make it so u dont get true survivor if u straigght die

u got noobs everywhere running it its so stupid

[sleek garden]

Blow the head off a shotgunner and all his friends stumble

[proven garden]

Isn’t that how it works though

[vernal trench]

no

[proven garden]

Or have people already found out how to cheese it

[vernal trench]

they done that since day one

[wanton dawn]

Well, "cheese" is a big word

[vernal trench]

most of the true survivor titles are from cheesing

[sleek garden]

I've yet to get it

[wanton dawn]

You still need good ppl to carry your auric storm survivor

[vernal trench]

the amount of people with it that just dies constantly is insane

[vernal trench]

no u dont

if someone runs ASS they are ass

[sleek garden]

You can get true survivor and die in the same match?

How

[vernal trench]

die doesnt count

down does

[wanton dawn]

Instadeath

[sleek garden]

Oh

[vernal trench]

thats why people instant die and still get it

[sleek garden]

Crusher

[vernal trench]

all it means is they suck at the game

[proven garden]

So like hav 40 crusher overhead dead?

[raw needle]

yes

[proven garden]

That’s wild

[vernal trench]

u should not go down or dead at all to earn the title

[wanton dawn]

Fun interaction with corruption

[vernal trench]

even then its still cheesable but u get less trash players with it

[raw needle]

that's almost on the same level as blowing your plasma up to get the psyker achievement

almost as funny

[wanton dawn]

Remember every shot count cheese ?

I sure do

[proven garden]

I haven’t used the charge fire for the plasma gun yet ngl

[vernal trench]

what cheese

[proven garden]

I just been tap firing it

[raw needle]

There was also the no melee damage taken cheese

[sleek garden]

I promised myself I'd beat a havoc 40 with an exy lasgun build

[raw needle]

Flesh wound cheese

xd

[vernal trench]

theres cheese for everything tbf

[sleek garden]

Hasn't happened yet

[vernal trench]

thats not hard

[proven garden]

Flesh wound cheese?

[vernal trench]

just need a good team

[proven garden]

Elaborate on that

[wanton dawn]

Disconnect at the end with 1 ammo left used to be the cheese

No longer work

[raw needle]

You'd die at the start of the match iirc

[loud belfry]

can you still cheese make every shot count by shooting at a human boss's shield?

[raw needle]

like vet's no melee dmg taken penance

[proven garden]

Like go down or instadeath like falling off the map

[raw needle]

then the other 3 just play normally

[sleek garden]

Most of the time it's just the typical one mistake spirals way out of control

[raw needle]

anything works but you don't get rezzed

[proven garden]

Ok

[wanton dawn]

But even hm twins can be carried by 3 ppl

[proven garden]

I’ll try that sometime

[vernal trench]

yea thats havoc 40 for u

[raw needle]

idk if it's still around but when it wasn't private it worked

[wanton dawn]

Even h40

[raw needle]

rn it's easier to just run train for flesh wound

[proven garden]

Havoc 40 made me worse in normal games ngl I get so bored I play too recklessly and die

[sleek garden]

I got really close one time but a lone shooter dropped onto a platform above me and one clipped me

Never saw it coming

[proven garden]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-one-piece-anime-gif-4502646032764566609

[vernal trench]

thats a skill issue XD

[proven garden]

Yea I’ll just sprint forward and stab anything in my way

[vernal trench]

watch ur positioning

[wanton dawn]

I also rush more in lower diff

Cuz ppl are slow af

[raw needle]

true

[sleek garden]

This was on the final bridge section for the newest map, we were all standing under it and nobody got shot

[wanton dawn]

I dont even sprint. I just walk ahead

[proven garden]

Don’t remember maps unfortunately

[raw needle]

then you get dogged and the team wipes from like two maulers......

[vernal trench]

dark communion bridge is notorious

[raw needle]

cause rush prevention....

[vernal trench]

thats where runs fail if ur not careful

[sleek garden]

Dark communion

[proven garden]

I don’t remember a bridge

I remember darkness

And the finale

[sleek garden]

Had a match where a teammate expertly baited a crusher into a prestigious 3 man instakill

[proven garden]

Masterful gambit

[raw needle]

Chef's kiss

[wanton dawn]

I mean, if i have to tell ppl to open event door to be able to path towards death spawn in auric maelstrom

Maybe skill issue is shared

(Logistratum vaccum capsule)

[vernal trench]

auric maelstroms are just skill issues

[raw needle]

vacuum capsule

[sleek garden]

My skill issue is when I get whacked in the back of the head because I was slow to react and when I turn to face the assailant I get whacked in the back of the head again by a different guy who was not there a second ago

[vernal trench]

its so easy but people still die its insane

[raw needle]

sometimes I ping those and it makes me smirk

[wanton dawn]

Sound... wacky 😎

[vernal trench]

dodge

[sleek garden]

Every time I play auric maelstrom as non veteran I swap to veteran because nobody is killing specialists

[grand perch]

I saw a vacuum capsule once

[sleek garden]

I love fighting 6 flamers in tox gas

[vernal trench]

u dont need a vet to kill specialists tho

malestroms are easy enough u can just make tons of mistakes and not die

[sleek garden]

I don't but I like to kill lots of them fast

Lasgun is good for that

[vernal trench]

i met a psyker that can do that yesterday

[lilac kayak]

Plasma diff

[vernal trench]

he just kills everything

[wanton dawn]

U dont need to play to win

[sleek garden]

I play to stab a bad guy and step back and watch him play a canned death animation and then flop over

[lilac kayak]

Revolver zealot would be kill stealing your special kills before you can press the trigger on em

[sleek garden]

I do fine

[wanton dawn]

Revolver zealot exists ?

[lilac kayak]

Not on havoc but auric yes

[sleek garden]

And when I don't do fine it's because my maniac psyker zealot teammates are speeding around with duelling swords and bolt pistols

[dry cloak]

I run fan fire volver to kill ogryns and mosnters

[raw needle]

I thought they all evolved into bistol zealots

[dry cloak]

And heavy sword

[vernal trench]

i gotta see how u play executioner stance im curious

[sleek garden]

I stand away far back out of coherency and die

Yeah

I win

[vernal trench]

u on rn

[sleek garden]

But also I tend to take stuff like dclaw I don't move fast

[sleek garden]

No

I don't think I want to try with you because you seem very judgy

[vernal trench]

dclaw is good never used it tho

[vernal trench]

if u dont cheese the game idc

[sleek garden]

I am not actually trying hard I just like to play that way

[dry cloak]

I use the devil claw knife on my vet

[sleek garden]

Havoc 40 is too hard so I just do auric maelstrom

[dry cloak]

Devil claw ,,sword,z is a knife on catachan

[vernal trench]

how does it do against crushers and stuff

[sleek garden]

Garbage

[dry cloak]

Not good

Kraks are in order

[sleek garden]

The parry is serviceable

[vernal trench]

oof

[dry cloak]

Parry lets you kill ragers fast

[sleek garden]

does about 1/5 HP

Of crusher

[vernal trench]

ig u gotta shoot ogryns then

[dry cloak]

In a pinch yo will kill him

[sleek garden]

I don't play with this blessing combo anymore but hammerblow+Skullcrusher made it quicker

[dry cloak]

Devil claw is good at flak killin tough

[vernal trench]

cant u block and parry curhser overheads with a dclaw

[sleek garden]

But it's an excellent weapon for basically every other issue

[sleek garden]

You can

[wanton dawn]

Now imagine if you were a youtuber

[vernal trench]

thats pretty good if u can time it right

[dry cloak]

You can

[sleek garden]

It does ~25% stamina on a good timing

[vernal trench]

yea cuz u got youtubers who dont really know what they doin but htey preach this and that and misinform people

[dry cloak]

In you need further explanation. Check jctlives guide on d3vil claw

[vernal trench]

yea i saw it but idk if its the same on havocs

[sleek garden]

We can play it tomorrow if you want

I never claimed to be good

I just shoot people

[dry cloak]

Havoc has it owns laws

Aurics? No problem devil claw is puts work in

[sleek garden]

I actually very much like the devil's claw for exy stance specifically because when I'm focusing on shooting and some little dude runs out you can basically instant parry them and go back to shooting in the span of a second

[vernal trench]

yea idc but im just tired of seeing people who cheese the game and then die a ton lmfao

[vernal trench]

one time i blocked a crusher overhead with a knife idk how that happened

[dry cloak]

Emps protec yoy

[vernal trench]

i should try dclaw sometime it sounds fun tbh

[vernal trench]

hell yea

[sleek garden]

People like the one that has a heavy overhead but I use the gold handle one

[dry cloak]

Its really fun

[sleek garden]

Dual sideways heavies

Chops lots of heads

[dry cloak]

You use mk1. Mk4 is what most people use. I use mk7

[vernal trench]

i run knife most of the time and its not good clearing hordes

[sleek garden]

Is the mk7 the one with a stab attack

[vernal trench]

whenever i use ps its so nice i can just kill tons of shit

[dry cloak]

I believe so

[sleek garden]

Horde clear is what I look for in melee, I just can't bring myself to like the knife much

[dry cloak]

May be wrong

[wanton dawn]

Whenever i try knife i wish i had something else. Not my jumbo

[vernal trench]

its for preference yea

[dry cloak]

Eh i dont like knife

[sleek garden]

You see the clips of people slaughtering crushers in like .2 seconds

[dry cloak]

Not my playstyle

Too fast

[vernal trench]

i jsut need the speed from knife

[sleek garden]

and then you look at someone in your game and they are very very slowly trying to kill everyone in a horde

Devils claw is crazy fun in Zealot

It crits a ton

[wanton dawn]

Well, they look like mosquito

[sleek garden]

With a bleed build and blazing piety it's ridiculous

[dry cloak]

I use dclaw on vet

[sleek garden]

just spam lights

I use it on both

[wanton dawn]

Bring back bayonet btw

Pls

[sleek garden]

Huh

[vernal trench]

hellbore?

[wanton dawn]

Use to be like ds4. If heavy was a light and if it had cleave

[vernal trench]

i use the mark that just bashes so no bayonet for me

[sleek garden]

The chop one?

I use that for the scab melee only no ammo missions

[wanton dawn]

I had a dedicated bayo build

[proven garden]

I love one shotting crushers with the parry

[sleek garden]

Yes

[vernal trench]

idk its the middle one i thinj

its good cuz 2 tap crushers

[sleek garden]

They all have bayos

[wanton dawn]

Now bayo cant do crap against horde

[sleek garden]

Are you thinking of headhunter auto

[vernal trench]

mark 4

na

mark 4 hellbore bashes

it doesnt stab

[dry cloak]

I still beed to learn dclaw more

[sleek garden]

You are lying

Like to my face right now

[proven garden]

The slow sniper right

I think mk4?

[sleek garden]

I have 3 and each one has a bayo

[proven garden]

The one that doesn’t stab and you instead do this sorta chop that you can hold

[dry cloak]

One slashes

[vernal trench]

yea u cant stab with mk 4

[dry cloak]

And does not stab

[proven garden]

Idk if holding it does more damage

[vernal trench]

it has a bayonet but u bash

[wanton dawn]

Slash bayo is trash bayo

[wanton dawn]

A bit

[proven garden]

That’s crazy

The gun part is good though right

I was told it did the most damage out of all the marks but fired slow

[sleek garden]

Are you sure you mean bash and not slash

[wanton dawn]

[proven garden]

One shot headshot flamers or something

[vernal trench]

uyea

2 tap crushers

[sleek garden]

Huh

[vernal trench]

2-3 in havoc 40s

[sleek garden]

Mine doesn't 2 shot crushers but I'm not using focus target

[proven garden]

With the gun right

Not the bayonet

[vernal trench]

u dont even need it to 2 tap a crusher

[vernal trench]

gun eya

[proven garden]

Sounds good

[sleek garden]

What do you need

[proven garden]

I’ll look for a build with it one day when I get my dockets back

[sleek garden]

It takes me 3 at least

[dry cloak]

I may need to try blue helbore

[sleek garden]

The middle helbore has a beautiful sound

I like listening to it in the grinder

[proven garden]

Blue hellbore?

Like blue rarity

[sleek garden]

It has that weird pop that echoes

[proven garden]

Or something else

[sleek garden]

No the one with a blue receiver

Lightest mark

[vernal trench]

u can 1 tap reapers with exec stance focus target hellbore 4

[dry cloak]

Yes

[sleek garden]

Pig sticker bayonet

[sleek garden]

My phone is just showing black but I hear it

[vernal trench]

lmfao

restart ur dc

[sleek garden]

Didn't work

It doesn't show lots of things

[vernal trench]

lmao rip

but hellbore 4 u can 1 tap reapers and 2 tap crushers consistently outside havoc

[dry cloak]

Tanbore is nice but conplete lack of cleave is bad

[vernal trench]

yea but u got melee weapons too

[dry cloak]

But when youre going for trapper and poxwalker eats the shot

[stoic thorn]

Every FUCKING TIME I END A GAME IT STICKS ME TO THE LOADIN SCREEN

[dapper plank]

is this decent?

what even is colateral

[queen fox]

Collateral is the stagger damage stat

[dapper plank]

don't i need to enable +dmg to staggered with blessings or talents?

i never noticed stagger damage bonus

[queen fox]

No, I mean it determines how much you stagger the enemy

It does not affect dmg, my b

[dapper plank]

i mean i stagger everything with spearhead anyway, or it dies in short order.

mobility is dodging and stamina usage?

[rustic beacon]

But bolter typically runs pinning fire, which increases your damage if you stagger. The usual dump stat is mobility

[tame lodge]

Something something 3 shots to open bulwarks instead of 4

I don't remember

[dapper plank]

when rolling profane items, is it always 80/80/80/80/60?

[grand perch]

Not Plasma

@tired egret

[unreal nova]

Why did someone...

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

Collateral matters for bulwark stagger especially with exe stance so I would recommend mobility dump on boltgun for veteran

It’s also like the only gun in the game where collateral actually does something notable

[raw needle]

@stoic thorn no image perms there so i'll just do this

[last marten]

inflation hittin the eshop even

[warm bolt]

40000 in warhammer 40000 is actually the inflation percentage

[vagrant wolf]

ok wtf is the point of ranged veteran if it's shit fuck tier anyway

[unreal nova]

Is like ranged Keri, you delete important enemies, you let team care for the rest.

[tame lodge]

Kill everything important at range

[vagrant wolf]

braced autogun

yeah

[tame lodge]

Not to be confused with psyker kills everything at range

[tame lodge]

Funny exe stance reduces spread

However exe is a little bit on the eh side

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/turk-took-our-jobs-jerbs-gif-10165889

Psykers takin our jerbs!

[unreal nova]

Just shout, all you are good for now, isn't it?

(I'm joking btw.)

[cloud thunder]

Who said this?

[obsidian saddle]

Vet Plasma gun is one of the best ranged weapons in the game :3

[tame lodge]

Real

The only downside is that it gets repetitive

That's when you try a charged shot only run

[tough tiger]

real

someone blows up but it aint the psyker this time

[pseudo fiber]

It's so boring

[stoic thorn]

I wish exe stance plasma was better

[unreal nova]

It confused me the first time that happened. I was like, did the Psyker go down but nope.

[dapper plank]

how rare is this roll? i just bought in case i want this kind of weapon at some point

[loud belfry]

regardless of how rare it truly is (idk math) it's a perfect chainsword

[sturdy furnace]

Is anyone available to help with On Overwatch penance

[dapper plank]

is this ideal too? or should i find one with 60% collateral/stopping power?

[loud belfry]

probably a collateral dump

but i dont think the autopistol is very good

and by "i dont think" i mean i actually have no idea but ive seen people denigrate it

[dapper plank]

bought one with 60% mobility, in case it gets buffed 😄

[odd sparrow]

its one of the worst guns in the game atm. Only real positive is the large supress it does which could matter in havoc

short range, low dmg, not even that great ammo either. Shit crit/weakspot multi so you cant even buff it to anything significant

it does feel nice to play with the handling is great aand reload is short but its a bullet hose with emphasis on the hose part

[austere pine]

peak

should get deleted imo

it's literally just general 2 for unhinged people 90% of the time

[loud belfry]

brave

meanwhile, lore chat: (gay stuff)

[serene bough]

they really should change plasma to be more focused on charge shots over M1 spam

its such a 1 dimensional weapon

[vernal trench]

I remember a long time ago when it was the meta and everyone was running it

[barren nimbus]

does onslaught pair well with shredder grenades

[odd sparrow]

yeah the 2 power blessings it had were for some reason 10 times stronger specifically on that gun so you could reach like 200% power increase

[odd sparrow]

bleed does no longer apply it, they mentioned it in a patch i believe

[vernal trench]

Tbh makes me wanan try it in havic now

It sucks ass even outside it

I wonder if theres any way to make it work

But the range of it is really the issue

[odd sparrow]

it works ok as pull out to make all the nearby gunners stop but thats about it. Its ok for shootin specials it does actually have decent maniac damage

[vernal trench]

Yea hats waht i remember it for

Its really good for maniacs but u cant shoot shit even somewhat far away

[odd sparrow]

sucks at flak tho

[vernal trench]

Makes vet useless if u cant even shoot a sniper

And they spawn them 80 meters away constantly on some maps

[odd sparrow]

yeah

[vernal trench]

It may work for infiltrate buuld just for the memes cuz ur damage will be low with it

Maybe i should try it

[tawny badger]

mfw the snipers actually snipe

[vernal trench]

The bridge on mercentile

They spawn all the way across from u

80-90m away

[tawny badger]

oughhhhhhh don’t remind me

[vernal trench]

Its fun as hell cuz u avtually snipe a sniper and theyre not rigt infront of u

[tawny badger]

darktide snipers hitting the

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-kill-sniping-fps-mw2-gameplay-footage-gif-14443552

this shit is unintelligible

[vernal trench]

They hit u as u drop off ledges too

Trickshots

[quartz nymph]

I'm going for the exe stance penances to finish off vet. Anybody able to point me in the direction of a decent build? Do I just build down the left tree?

[austere pine]

tried my damn best

no matter how good you make the weapon, you run out of bullets immediately

and while reloading is fast, you shoot similarly to how recons shoot with at best like 60% of the ammo supply, if not even less with the one that has over 1k bullets in stock

[vernal trench]

What build did u use it on

[austere pine]

a very specialized build i devised specifically for it

all stuff that helps with close range encounters (not just melee) and like weapon specialist i think

[vernal trench]

Tell me about it

Did u try it on havocs or maelstroms

[austere pine]

i have it removed already because it was garbage

nope it sucked outside

i had no ammo like 60% of the match because it took so long to kill anything with the perfect setup

[vernal trench]

Yea i tried using it a while back snd its ass even on maelstroms

[austere pine]

and havoc makes ammo even more scarce

[vernal trench]

What did u use with it tho

[austere pine]

absolutely not bringing it outside

[vernal trench]

What ability

[austere pine]

voc

i know i didn't use exe stance because there's just no point to it

[vernal trench]

Infiltrate will definitely work better

[austere pine]

might, might not

it's like

[vernal trench]

U gotta get close with shredder autopistol

[austere pine]

what are you trying to achieve with the gun?

[vernal trench]

And infiltrate allows that

[vernal trench]

Just making it servicable

[austere pine]

sure i get that but you still deal no damage

[vernal trench]

For the memes

[austere pine]

not happening

[vernal trench]

What blessings or perks did u run

[austere pine]

it's serviceable enough if you're playing with zealots who don't shoot, psykers with staves and ogryns who also don't shoot/run grenade launcher

[vernal trench]

I gotta test it atleast in psykanarium

[austere pine]

outside of that, you're literally a parasite on the team's ammo reserves

[vernal trench]

Lmao yea id imagine so

But i already do that with a bolter

[austere pine]

shooting bullets that deal 1/5 (at best) of the damage anybody else could do with the same ammo amount

check the guide that's pinned

[vernal trench]

Whats it weak against

[austere pine]

uh

fucking everything lol

[vernal trench]

Carapace i imagine but what about flak

[austere pine]

except for maniac. it's good into maniac

but like

all maniac is weak

[vernal trench]

Cuz it stuns them?

[austere pine]

nope it has good maniac damage

[vernal trench]

Ah

[austere pine]

i just got declined to a lvl 6 havoc my life is ruined

[vernal trench]

Lmfao how tf

They accept anyone

[austere pine]

they didn't want a lvl 21 i guess

rank 21 not level 21

levels aren't a thing i ever think about anymore

[vernal trench]

I think i know the problem wiht running knife on my buuld

I gotta use 2 +3 stam curios

[austere pine]

yeah

[vernal trench]

Cuz its always whenever a group of chaff comes into me and i cant even push them cuz im out of stamina

[hollow ibex]

just run +2 stam on knife

[vernal trench]

Idk i like that unyeilding and carapace damage

[hollow ibex]

you really don't need stam curios outside of deadshit builds

[austere pine]

trust me if you suck, stamina regens enough for another push attack by the time you finish your "last" one

[vernal trench]

Na +3 is always good imo

[hollow ibex]

unnecessary

[vernal trench]

Good for blocking stuff

[hollow ibex]

i used to always run +3 stam

[vernal trench]

Well ig it depends on what weapon u use

[hollow ibex]

but i've stopped doing that

took it off, and realized... i don't need it lol

[vernal trench]

Yea but ragers and chaff take a ton if u tryna get out of some situations

[hollow ibex]

dodge and push more

idk, i rarely just block