veteran-class

[orchid hemlock]

Nah wait, I just saw this guys's status

Bro unironically thinks he's the white death

Has worse main character syndrome than Kanye

[warm bolt]

Cutting soap vids in warhammer would go hard

[terse idol]

#veteran-class message

[warm bolt]

[wanton dawn]

The hell is going on here

[terse idol]

Basically, pretty good if you run standard shovel with uncanny

[orchid hemlock]

Nah fam, the only thing you are "strangling" is....

[terse idol]

But like hotshot only really works with some melee weapons

You can't just put it on a ds4 and have it cleave a bunch

[neat sphinx]

You're pathetic.

[warm bolt]

Are you saying that the meme krieger build is fucking legit

[terse idol]

I don't think Janintti was talking about the guide

Just the game

[terse idol]

[neat sphinx]

Yes, I've never even seen the guide, I don't care about it.

[terse idol]

Oh also, I learned from path that agile engagement applies to your bayonett

So for helbore you just shoot and with agile you can use the bayonett and get extra damage

I also don't think it's like meme

Helbore is pretty ammo efficient

[orchid hemlock]

Bros never seen the guide but thinks it's shit

10/10 analysis

[neat sphinx]

You're butthurt and illiterate. Quite the combination.

[orchid hemlock]

Hey man, I think your "Communist killing" skills would be much more appreciated in 4chan instead of here

[warm bolt]

Imagine if it had the lore accurate auto mode too

I will try the funni out though, just gotta get a good shovel, thanks for telling me

[terse idol]

Calm down guys don't gotta fight

He just doesn't like the guide

Dats okie

[neat sphinx]

I dont have anything against the fucking guide, Jesus

[terse idol]

Well yeah

There we go

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah but he doesn't like the guide for literally no reason

[terse idol]

Its just a misunderstanding

He just doesn't like using guides

[orchid hemlock]

Literally admits to have never read it

[terse idol]

Dats okie

[wanton dawn]

Hey man, you are throwing oil on the fire. Not cool

[orchid hemlock]

How can u disagree with something you never even attributed?

[terse idol]

Vets when we gotta stop the psyker from blowing up our minds

[neat sphinx]

Orcka get that fucking log out of your ass and act civilized, like everyone here is.

[warm bolt]

Idk my brain is simply too smooth to be affected by the brainblast

[orchid hemlock]

U were the one complaining about someone else trying to get advice in here 💀

[terse idol]

Well its more like the disagreement that I suggested someone use the guide rather than Janintti's method for just letting folks do something without the guide

[warm bolt]

Slide cancel that bish

[terse idol]

Its okay!

It's different philosophies

[orchid hemlock]

It's not a philosophy, it's called: "stubbornness"

[neat sphinx]

YES, thank you

[wanton dawn]

Nah, its just cockfighting

[terse idol]

Its okie!

Ahhh!

[orchid hemlock]

🐓

[void dragon]

where can i see some example builds for the class? I currently only have like 3

[orchid hemlock]

gameslantern

[terse idol]

What are ya trying to build?

[void dragon]

probably at least one build that make use of each keyperk, i have leaned on focused target so far

[grand perch]

is it time to post squad leader build again?

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[void dragon]

a comissair build?

[orchid hemlock]

Here I'll give u a build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[unreal nova]

WHEN CAN I AIM AT TEAMMATES TO BUFF THEM?

Especially with a Bolt Pistol?

[terse idol]

Like what weapons ya thinking of

[orchid hemlock]

What's a Commisar build?

Me shooting my own teamates? 🤔

[void dragon]

for a comissair build would be power sword and boltpistol, but for the builds im asking i dont have a limit...except not dueling sword

[void dragon]

it would be "I SAY KILL THAT YOU PEASANTS" more, we want to be the good kind of comissairs, so we only remove rations privileges if they dont follow orders

[terse idol]

You could hit up a VOC with Focus target build
Any time you're building a bistol the breakpoints are a little tough so you'll need to check thoose much

[orchid hemlock]

I dont think this game is built out of RPing 😔

[terse idol]

VoC with the added yellow toughness talent, no revive shout

I can't make a build rn

I'm on my phone

Its stinky

But your bistol you're definetly looking for like at least

Lethal Proximity (or run and gun) with puncture

Lethal proximity plays into a grenadier style gameplay since LP affects your grenade

[unreal nova]

BOOMIES?

[wanton dawn]

Someone's looking for a build ?

[unreal nova]

BOOMIES?!

[warm bolt]

SOMEONE CALL FOR A BOOM?

[supple stag]

GRENADE OUT

[warm bolt]

ONE WORD, I'LL MAKE IT RAIN

[supple stag]

Speaking of Bolt pistol tho, WS is nice with it

[void dragon]

name of the game would be "variety", want to have many builds that are fundamentally different, gear included

[terse idol]

Give a concept for a build and we can certainly help ya

There are like common keystones for weapon builds

Like the zarona playing with Weapon spec

With always prepared

Same as the double barrel shotgun

[supple stag]

Combat shotgun fits there too, bolt pistol

[unreal nova]

But if you want BP and VoC and like grenades.... I can shove you my FUN.

[supple stag]

Love me weapon spec

[wanton dawn]

Here's one for bolter. It's not "meta", but it is the most fun way to play the weapon imo. Surgical, pinning/puncture, unarmored/flak (can vary). For melee PS or DS I guess

I recommend 2 stams as well

[supple stag]

Weapon Specialist included, very based

[unreal nova]

You can take auto reload if you are not fun and dump Field Improv.

But then I don't like you anymore.

Well, unless i'm there then it makes no diff since I always have it.

[wanton dawn]

Note that ppl either take OtB or CK for thoughness on bottom. Don't ask which one is better

[unreal nova]

Also, you can take the brittleness over more toughness if you can make use of it better.

I'm just BOOM and stab so, heh.

[supple stag]

Br*ttleness

It has brit in it, therefore it's awful

[unreal nova]

Well, I should actually try it some time to see if it's good for me or not.

Considering KNOIFE.

[supple stag]

It probably won't matter too much

Considering you can just exploit rending to bleed the shit out of elites anyway

[unreal nova]

I guess. Uncanny is funny.

[supple stag]

For my grenadier build I prefer mk1 shovel

Bonk

I love that weapon now

[unreal nova]

I just be gremlin with too many boomies.

BOOMIES.

[supple stag]

Now I wanna play Darktide

Considering grenade spam

However playing by myself is uhh, not so enjoyable

[void dragon]

i dont think the marksman focus need that camouflage perk, but will give it a run anyway, thanks (you think other weapons can work well or better with this?)

[inland orchid]

pub's are a acquired taste grinch

i dont blame u one bit

[wanton dawn]

camouflage ?

[unreal nova]

Doesn't matter if you play with ppl who are bad here too. Don't listen to whatever Stomp says.

[void dragon]

the lower right perk

[wanton dawn]

I use the stacks on not moving cuz it stacks in melee so I can frontload my stacks. The other is for stamina regen on deadshot

[terse idol]

You'd have to test the BP's for the funny crusher H1, H2 PA H1, L1 combo

[supple stag]

Who?

[terse idol]

I think uncanny is too good to pass up

[supple stag]

I can't be bothered to remember people on this discord for my own sanity

[wanton dawn]

Marksman focus is also fun with Vrak inf autogun

[unreal nova]

I use MK6 so dunno if it's the same.

[terse idol]

That is the knife for the comboo yuhh

Since you can 1 combo crushers if you land the combo on the head

[unreal nova]

@latent parcel HIM. Dook, I just pinged him.

[supple stag]

I don't know people around these parts, besides Ainz

[unreal nova]

That is like gambling. Crushers make me panic so even worse.

[unreal nova]

It's really more he keeps being embarrassing to be around. I'm actually really bad at the game tbh, more so when lagging to heck.

[wanton dawn]

He is ?

[supple stag]

I see

I'm mid at the game myself, I'm better at the other tide game

The better tide game I mean

[loud belfry]

WOAH

[unreal nova]

I mean you know how he's like around me.

[loud belfry]

darktide feels better gameplay wise imo

[supple stag]

That's your opinion

[unreal nova]

I see new WW happening. Imma boom myself a trench to hide now.

[supple stag]

I like fantasy more

[wanton dawn]

Fair

[supple stag]

Darktide reminds how every single shooter throws cod like movement to them nowadays

With all the sliding and so on

[unreal nova]

To be fair, without it, you'll need bubbles way WAY more.

[supple stag]

Well, I suppose it's time to try my luck in pubs

I still need to finish this boring af event

[wanton dawn]

Got the event portrait a few hours ago

The event is okay

Idk why limited to auric thougj

[supple stag]

Feels uninspired tbh, but oh well

I'll just go through it with shovel + bolt pistol + grenade autism

[grand perch]

it should have been ooops all ogryn instead of just sporadic ogryn patrols

[wanton dawn]

I tried a few things but ps got me through smoothly even with pubs

[unreal nova]

Probs cos of the issues you get now. Too hard for normal.

[unreal nova]

Weaken them a little, but every heretic is a chaos oggy.

[supple stag]

Having noone I can trust makes me less motivated to play this eh

[unreal nova]

And then we also get new oggy specials, yes.

[wanton dawn]

Instead we get lvl 36 h1 in aurics

[unreal nova]

Basically.

[wanton dawn]

And i have to take my big boy build to avoid dmg anemy

[unreal nova]

Also, excuse me, I'm not even 100 (Last I asked.) IDK why ppl think I should be in auric Damnation. >_>

[faint beacon]

It’s so fucking funny watching people adapt to the Brute Conscripts event

[supple stag]

What a good start, error code 3013

xdd

[wanton dawn]

I don't care. I make do

[faint beacon]

They always fold to the first spawn

[unreal nova]

That includes base 30 lvls.

So worse.'

[supple stag]

I guess I am not playing today

Error code 3013 my ass

[unreal nova]

Did you try again?

[supple stag]

Multiple times

Multiple operatives

I guess that's what I get for being European

[unreal nova]

Guess it's just quality servers then.

[supple stag]

Going to Psykhanium first helped, somehow

Weird game is it

this is gonna be fun, truly

also other vet runs plasma ew

[terse idol]

Well ahhhh

Its not gambling it's learning to bust in the muscle memory required to perform the combo

[odd summit]

i apologize combat knife, i wasn't really faimiliar with your game

[terse idol]

Its not bad, but then I added in trench fighter to make it faster and I got scared

[unreal nova]

I blank out hard and push buttons when panicking. Ask anyone who has seen me in h40.

[terse idol]

I'm running the bleed talent in the tree, mercy killer and uncanny

[unreal nova]

Also all the panicked "Go away, I don't like you. shoo go away, I hate you." Spam at hordes and bosses. Well, everything not friendly.

[warm bolt]

Same

[faint beacon]

Imagine not running the VA and shutting down plasma users

[unreal nova]

Because 260+ ping means if I do get surrounded, I'm dead since things take too long to actually die, and they aren't considered dead so they cause collision.

[terse idol]

Like I'll be honest my fingers forget about the push attack combo when the horde is maulers crusher mixture

And then dead

[unreal nova]

At that point, if I'm on my vet, it's 3 kraks and praying for twinned.

[faint beacon]

Kite and Retreat

[unreal nova]

If it's havoc. "CHAOS SENPAI, HALP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[faint beacon]

That’s literally my only suggestion

You can’t rush an Ogryn pack

[unreal nova]

Because, I have DS4 and flamer. And half my hits don't actually hit.

[unreal nova]

Can't retreat if already at the 'lift'.

[supple stag]

Watch this

throws 4 grenades and dies

[unreal nova]

It's frags, what did you expect?

Unless you get 4 smokes as well.

Maybe I should make a smoke...

Sees 5 loadouts. Eh.

[faint beacon]

Shredder and VOC till you see the smallest opening to slip through

Cause look my team dies they die

I got out it’s that simple

[grand perch]

i have like 20 now. thanks mods!

[unreal nova]

To be fair, I have a slot that's not actually used, but... smoke will kinda take away the fun I have on vet. Which is BEEG BOOMIES!

Kraks kinda count, since getting lucky and killing like 7 crushers with a twinned...

[supple stag]

It wasn't too bad

Shame that Plasma Vet kept stealing elites

[unreal nova]

I mean, that's a reason to run 1 shot kill bs.

Take all the kills.

[supple stag]

🥱

Yeah, one game of DT is enough

Time to play something more fun

[snow cypress]

Hi guys,what weapon would you recommend for a sniper/distance playstyle?

[hollow ibex]

helbore, ilas, revolver, bolter

[lilac kayak]

Voc plasma shovel standard

[faint beacon]

I think it’s more fun to be able to drop entire waves of enemies with a gun or melee that still has a drawback instead of a Swiss Army knife

It’s why I do not like plasma

[arctic rampart]

not an answer but from the offical forums https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/known-issue-error-code-3013/82837/31

[vernal harbor]

whenever y’all are ready, ill show y’all a thing or two of how i got to get he best

[sleek garden]

ogryns dont show up until i think malice or heresy

okay, on my devils claw do i put shred or rampage

[faint beacon]

The events used to be just normal board is why

Now it’s strictly Auric

[unreal nova]

Is why they could have just limited it to heresy or damnation.

Normal.

It's not too big of a deal and well, it's still less punishing than Hi int STG with it.

[terse idol]

Imo it's probably because of the crusher reaper horde calls

Which sound oddily similar to when the sniper squads get dropped off during vent purge

[unreal nova]

Look, don't remind me.

15 lasers and a crusher/bulwark pack.

[terse idol]

My point being, I guess they wanted it to only be on auric so they can send the THICKEST amount of ogryns at us

[unreal nova]

_>

[terse idol]

Hence the "Ogryn Conscripts"

[unreal nova]

Yes, vent purge.

Saw the Psyker who dared go out get rail gunned.

Still, any dev with half a brain cell would know forcing it would just push people who can't do aurics into aurics trying to get the event rewards.

So ruining the game for everyone in sense.

And who really cares if the normals are easier. If you want easy finishes for it, just go for it then.

[terse idol]

I kinda like pushing people into aurics 😌

[unreal nova]

It doesn't hurt the people who casually play aurics since they don't need to have to deal with new, not ready for or bad players.

[odd summit]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e01fa7c-75cc-4db0-ba85-1c2e60c3c14c/veteran-sniper-5 i've finally come around to the combat knife, i needed to change my mindset when using it, and it compliments this build so well

[terse idol]

Like, ahh the only way folks will ever try is if you put these kinds of incentives in

[unreal nova]

So you are like THEM. I'm not even lvl 100 reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[faint beacon]

You can still get HISTG + Brute Conscripts

That shit is peak Darktide

[terse idol]

Most players even more new to like aurics imo can do

Auric heresey

(Poooossssiiiibbllllyy on on ogryn conscripts histg but it's hard)

[terse idol]

I thought it was always histg ogryn conscripts

[faint beacon]

You should naturally get into Aurics if you even have a hope of playing Havoc

[terse idol]

You're telling me there are ogryn conscript missions without histg

[unreal nova]

Wait, where's the blind or blind modifiers?

[terse idol]

Oh, also on a side note I did play

Or try to play

Lights out ogryn conscripts histg with my friend

Holy fuck

[unreal nova]

Excuse me? Why are you all lying, there's always lights out or vent purge!

[terse idol]

No

[tame lodge]

Uncanny Strike is recommended on knife

[unreal nova]

(Look, I'm not being serious. It's just they roll more often than the 'normal' ver.)

[faint beacon]

Pay attention to the event modifier

[odd summit]

noted, i'll give it a go

[terse idol]

I tried to play 1 ogryn conscripts histg with lights out and that was horrifying

[faint beacon]

It’s usually Brute Conscripts and X

[terse idol]

Huh

I only ever got histg

[faint beacon]

Or you’ll get the easy Hi-Intensity Brute Conscripts

[terse idol]

And then histg + lights out

[faint beacon]

My past 8 matches have been

[unreal nova]

You mean blind or blind.

[terse idol]

What's blind

[unreal nova]

Or crusher packs with 50 billion doggos.

[unreal nova]

Lights out/Vent purge/Fart gas.

[faint beacon]

Hi-Intensity Brute Conscripts and Hunting Grounds

Word for word

[terse idol]

Oooh

[terse idol]

I didn't mind those actually

Since I played purge staff psyker for most of these missions

Lmao!

[faint beacon]

Hi-intensity Brute Conscripts (Power Supply Interruption)

[terse idol]

Easy doggo killing

[faint beacon]

That’s lights out

[terse idol]

Yeah I never heard of "blind" before

[unreal nova]

Is just jokes for not having any real vision.

And to be fair, Vent purge is extra bad on some maps for me. I can't even see bullet trails then so...

Since they just blend into the vent purge thing.

[faint beacon]

It’s only bad for one thing

Snipers and Brute waves share the same stinger

So it’s a coin toss of walking into a firing line or getting stampeded

[unreal nova]

Well sure, but it's more an accessibility issue in my case.

[terse idol]

Oh yeah, with the small difference if you can pick out

The snipers turning their laser pointers on

I love that stinger though

The valk dropping the squad in and zooming off

[faint beacon]

They share the same exact stinger for spawns

[terse idol]

Oh

qHAT

I haven't played vent purge in long enough

[faint beacon]

Imo they should’ve just made stomping followed with metal clanking like a march for a brute wave

[unreal nova]

I just know when someone gets railed to the stars by 15 shots at the same time.

[faint beacon]

Brute Conscripts Sniper Vent Purge compliment each other pretty fucking heavily

Cause if you get unlucky enough they can absolutely kill you

[unreal nova]

Cover? Well, you get forced out by the crushers.

[faint beacon]

Bulwark wave pushing you directly into the sniper pack sight line

It’s vicious

[unreal nova]

Then you have to pray you have enough dodges to deal with all the dook.

And hope a small dook isn't blocking said dodge.

_>

[tall torrent]

Sure, where

[unreal nova]

Read above that poke. Was there to see it.

[orchid hemlock]

https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046912126746374274/1330583039167954995

he never read it tho, so maybe u can just ignore it

[tall torrent]

Ya that’s fine

I’m looking for legit criticism and things I can improve upon

[orchid hemlock]

[thick needle]

Silly goofy fun time Bolter build I farmed Brute Squad with

[orchid hemlock]

That actually looks standard, except for the top left side

[thick needle]

Gotta have my reload speed

[orchid hemlock]

Don't u already get that on the right? 🤔

[thick needle]

Only if you have ammo left in the chamber

[faint beacon]

Tac reload is always good for Bolter

Though longshot is questionable now ever since it’s nerf from the close range changes

[peak tree]

What grenades are you all preferring on higher end havoc these days?

[faint beacon]

Shredders or Smokes

Those are the two good choices for 30+ on Havoc

[thick needle]

With the amount of specialists, Volley is pretty much always on

Plus it stacks with Tac Reload

[calm shard]

shredder spam

with bolt pistol for 14 meter radius

[thick needle]

Wdym

[unreal nova]

BEEG BOOMIES.

[thick needle]

The Bistol's point blank explosion thing or does it buff grenades somehow?

[unreal nova]

It buffs grenades yes.

[hollow ibex]

lethal prox buffs nades

[thick needle]

Ooo I was not aware

[unreal nova]

Even Kraks.

[peak tree]

I'm going through a phase of chasing down my veterans class achievements, both for funsies and to try out all the abilities in various combos, but looking to get back to actual challenging skill progression.

Not much left to finish vet achievements.

[thick needle]

Vet is the only class I platinum'd

[faint beacon]

God do I have to dig up the ancient video of me testing LP

[thick needle]

No I believe y'all

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iqGAqYZrwsxo-_dGh/d1337QNPDdSL?invite=cr-MSw2NnYsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Found it

[unreal nova]

You can easily test in psykhanium anyway.

[faint beacon]

This was like Day 2 SOTMG

Iirc

Wasn’t even testing Grenade Tinkerer btw

That also impacts LP value even more

[dry cloak]

those were wierd times in darktide

[unreal nova]

When you have both, is funni.

[dry cloak]

when gloriana was the main map fo a week

[thick needle]

Bolter supremacy indeed

[dry cloak]

on vet i prefer the bolter

[unreal nova]

Ehm, Bolt Pistol. Bolter no lethal prox.

[dry cloak]

bolt pistol does not work for my builds

[thick needle]

They're both bolters in spirit

[dry cloak]

for my exe stance i want something that can delete thing quickly

[thick needle]

I should try DS Bistol WS in havoc

[dry cloak]

i.e big bolter

[thick needle]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[faint beacon]

If you’re doing shredder spam that’s literally the meta for H40 Vet

Most effective Vet build for H40 at least

[calm shard]

it's so goddamn fun too

any moderately inconvenient enemy spawn just throw 2 or 3 shredders at them

everything dies and you probably get them back

[hollow ibex]

tanner doesn't know shit

[unreal nova]

Basically above. There's no point in using the current combat shotgun except for fun.

[faint beacon]

A summarized version of why we don’t like them is because they genuinely give questionable to bad takes even though they have the skill of a player who knows what they’re doing, issue is when you’re unironically telling people to use plasma gif horde clear you’re fucking insane

[tame lodge]

Better at what?

[faint beacon]

Nothing Higui

That’s the joke

[tame lodge]

Wrong

Try again

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/buzzer-alesha-dixon-amanda-holden-simon-cowell-britain's-got-talent-gif-8976357544528389493

[faint beacon]

I know it’s got goofy synergy with very very specific builds but that’s about it

[tame lodge]

Anyways

[unreal nova]

Making ragers fall over in a funny way... For a vet.

[tame lodge]

Combat Shotgun has better specialist and boss prowess that DB

While DB is just elites

[faint beacon]

For veteran or in general cause I refuse to believe that when a DB SG player is in my lobby

[tame lodge]

Oh and CS uptime is also higher

[unreal nova]

Look, you can't argue a slug shot doesn't make things fall over in a funny.

[tame lodge]

All this shotgun talk makes me want to play Surety Shotgun

Off to Psyker we go

[faint beacon]

Ask in here or the Guide we have in pins

Eventually being implemented to Steam

So for an actually full blown updated version Post 2025 blah blah blah await the steam version

[latent parcel]

Why'd u tag me?

[unreal nova]

Someone just asked who I was referring to.

[latent parcel]

Oh

[unreal nova]

Yep.

[latent parcel]

@vernal trench you still playing or what

[vernal trench]

na i done like 4 40s today im out lmfoa

[latent parcel]

did u clear any

[void dragon]

Question: what are good weapons to use for veteran builds? Power sword feel good but chainsword not so much

[vernal trench]

lmfao yea

[latent parcel]

lol

bet u got carried by ogryns like usual

[vernal trench]

there was a really good ogryn that just charges ahead like crazy

[latent parcel]

did you res him into a crusher overhead?

[vernal trench]

this guy

na we didnt die

[void dragon]

Ogryn proving we strongest

[vernal trench]

yea if u get a gogod ogryn theres no way u can top the damage

they just kill fucking everything lmao

[latent parcel]

atoma losing to an ogryn

figures

[void dragon]

Cho-cho-gryn is a Space Generation machine

[vernal trench]

cant horde clear with a knife

[latent parcel]

you used a knife again?

[vernal trench]

i only use a knife now

[latent parcel]

just to make the game harder?

[vernal trench]

it does a bit but i run faster

lmfao

harder to kill crushers when i cant stun them

[latent parcel]

no wonder ur getting out damaged. u just run from everything!

[vernal trench]

hell yea cuz theres an insaen ogryn

[latent parcel]

ive only ran into 2 insane ogryns in the time ive came back. you ran into 2 in 2 days

[vernal trench]

lmao i ran into 2 back to back

they just run in with a shield or pickaxe and kill everything

this one doesnt even wait for u

[latent parcel]

hell yeah

why wait for the team when you are the team

[vernal trench]

we just ran in ahead while the psyker was dead and the zealot was behind tryna keep up

lmfao fr

[latent parcel]

[vernal trench]

ogryn is badass

[latent parcel]

i need to get good at it

i suck

[vernal trench]

just get gud

[latent parcel]

you should make a zealot

[vernal trench]

i might make an ogryn honestly seems so fun

[latent parcel]

or an ogryn

[vernal trench]

i feel like if i made a zealot its gonna be so easy

only problem i got with vet is no toughness regen naturally

[hollow ibex]

i can't stand ogryn

[latent parcel]

you can make zealot harder though

just go marty

[hollow ibex]

big, fat, shit weapons

[vernal trench]

lmao i aint good enough

[vernal trench]

yea but when u run into a good ogryn a havoc 40 becomes easier than a maelstrom

[latent parcel]

a godgryn

[vernal trench]

2 godgryns in 2 dayys is legendary

they both used pickaxe too

[hollow ibex]

nah psykers are the ones that carry in havoc

ogryn is prob the worst class for havoc tbh

[vernal trench]

if the psyker is insanelyy good

[latent parcel]

the dead psykers are carrying!

[vernal trench]

psykers arent even needed msot of the time

[hollow ibex]

not even, their kit is just totally braindead

[vernal trench]

ogryn tho ill love to have on every game

[vernal trench]

uve never witnessed a godgryn do 1.8mil damagge

[latent parcel]

did he say ogryns kits are brain dead? or psykers?

[hollow ibex]

psyker

[latent parcel]

ogryn is the hardest class to play

ya they are brain dead

[vernal trench]

yea godgryns are beloved

[hollow ibex]

not even half that, so no, never

[vernal trench]

once u see it ull love ogryns

[latent parcel]

i dont think sirosky plays alot of havocs though

[hollow ibex]

enough to know that ogryn's not meta there

and enough auric/AM to know that ogryn isn't meta there either

[vernal trench]

its definitely not meta but a godgryn is a godgryn

[latent parcel]

doesnt need to be meta lol u dont need meta for havoc 40

[vernal trench]

at this point ive played more havocs than maelstroms lfmao

infiltrate is so slept on

[hollow ibex]

k

[vernal trench]

if ur bad u need the meta

[hollow ibex]

true

[calm shard]

everyone running meta for havoc 40 means the team has kinda shit horde clear cause everyone has dueling swords

[hollow ibex]

well that's why people want psykers

you can run the crutch melee and still have horde clear

[latent parcel]

i dont even trust the psykers

[vernal trench]

a good ogryn will clear a horde betetr than a psyker

[latent parcel]

they have the most deaths and knocks per game usually im in

[hollow ibex]

a good ogryn doesn't have infinite cleave

[vernal trench]

uve never seen a good ogryn

[hollow ibex]

ok show me an ogryn build with infinite cleave

[tame lodge]

shield

[vernal trench]

ive seen good psykers that can solo the game like once or twice

[vernal trench]

why need infinite cleave

[tame lodge]

literally shield

[calm shard]

slab shield does have infinite cleave innately on H2 doesn't it?

or damn near infinite cleave

[hollow ibex]

are you really asking why you need cleave in a mode where hit mass is increased by muiltiple times

[calm shard]

don't think I've ever seen that attack stop on anything

also brutal momentum H1 mulching hordes because brutal momentum, good cleave, and high damage

[vernal trench]

u sound like the type that would force people to bring meta cuz u cant survive on ur own

[hollow ibex]

literally just listing out facts buddy, no need to project

[vernal trench]

play more havocs and dont die and maybe ull run into a godgryn one day

[hollow ibex]

lol

is this godgryn in the room with us right now?

[vernal trench]

that guy

[tame lodge]

You do know that shield H2 has infinite cleave, right?

Just checking

You know

[latent parcel]

oh man that godgryn made u guys look like shit

[hollow ibex]

yeah except shield's a pain in the ass to use, and has nowhere near the reach of purg or trauma

and still won't cleave through shit like bulwarks or crushers

[tame lodge]

Still Infinite cleave
Which is what you asked for

[calm shard]

how is shield a pain in the ass to use it's probably the mo0st braindead melee in the game

[tame lodge]

So whatever

[calm shard]

you press heavy

and then heavy again

maybe block to do that first heavy if you want damage

[hollow ibex]

you forgot to mention that terms and conditions apply

on this "infinite" (not really infinite) cleave

[tame lodge]

Nah it's infinite

[vernal trench]

lmfao dude just carried

cant do nothing theres nothing for me to kill

[tame lodge]

Carapace stopping cleave is property of carapace

So yes

[vernal trench]

poor dude getting owned lmfao

[tall torrent]

Nah duelling sword is not even meta

[tame lodge]

Ogryns have infinite cleave

[tall torrent]

Meta is relic blade zealot + combat axe veteran

[tame lodge]

Like you asked for

[mortal horizon]

what would you guys say is the overal best gun for high havoc
plasma? recon las?

[vernal trench]

plasma gun cuz its the easiest and most braindead

why is recon las evne mentioned lmao its not great

[tame lodge]

Infantry Lasguns

[calm shard]

recon las is arguably better than plasma at high havocs because of ammo economy and pus hardened skin

[mortal horizon]

thought it was one of the best for havoc vets

[latent parcel]

you forgot to put CHARGE relic blade zealot 😄

[tame lodge]

Ammo economy

[mortal horizon]

yep

[tame lodge]

Infernus

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[mortal horizon]

infernus burns through hardened

[vernal trench]

it does piss damage against pus hardened

[calm shard]

infernus ignores it

[mortal horizon]

you just shoot to stack and move on and they die to infernus

[vernal trench]

i dont use the fast one

[tame lodge]

That's 90% of ranged weapons

[hollow ibex]

which psyker can bypass

[tame lodge]

Lmao

[vernal trench]

what about recon lasgun psyker??

[calm shard]

well that's probably why you think the reconlas is bad because the fast ones are the good ones

[latent parcel]

no

[mortal horizon]

XII

[vernal trench]

fuck u

[hollow ibex]

owned by what

[unreal nova]

If you can deal with 1 chorus, I guess?

[vernal trench]

the middle one is better for not pus hardened

[mortal horizon]

really good in auric but i think ammo economy sucks on it in havoc thus not very good

[latent parcel]

no chorus for anyone!

[vernal trench]

ive never even seen a gn psyker in 40

[hollow ibex]

why play gunker in havoc

[tame lodge]

If you're flex pick
Then you're better off with a boss killing role
Get the Vraks 5

[calm shard]

yeah because nobody will play gunker in high havoc because of the ammo economy

[hollow ibex]

unless you're memeing and just want to have fun or some shit

[unreal nova]

[hollow ibex]

with no ammo

[tame lodge]

Assail exists

[vernal trench]

4 gun psykers in havoc 40 when??

[latent parcel]

i think i deleted my chorus loadouts actually

[unreal nova]

They are just Smykers.

[calm shard]

and locks you out of psykinetics aura

[vernal trench]

i [layed with one that only smited the whole game

💀

[mortal horizon]

ive heards this, just so underwhelming to me, slow ttk, low dmg output. only good at picking off basic shooters

[tame lodge]

Yeah I know

[mortal horizon]

which ya is important

iand i guess you rely on grenade spam in big packs

[hollow ibex]

ilas infernus is kinda cursed, but havoc is weird

[mortal horizon]

but man its such a boring gun, nice it has a place in the meta tho finally

[calm shard]

it has ludicrous finesse modifier you need to be clicking heads and critting with it

mine on my vet can one shot gunners on the IIb

[hollow ibex]

even with crits ilas is pretty meh tbh

[mortal horizon]

i havent used one since beta tbh. what model, blessings, perks?

[hollow ibex]

II, and then infernus and ghost for havoc

[mortal horizon]

ive seen some good vets using bolt pistol in 30+ and doing well too

[calm shard]

IIb (the fast one), deadly accurate, and ghost

[hollow ibex]

prob because they're spamming frags

[mortal horizon]

oh for infantry las? oh you and sirosky use different models/builds

[hollow ibex]

and that's why they have the bistol

[calm shard]

yeah nobody really uses the bolt pistol for the sake of it being a gun

[vernal trench]

bolt pistol is great

[hollow ibex]

same model

[calm shard]

lethal proximity grenades

[mortal horizon]

gotcha

ya the lethal proximity thing is cool

but its a decent gun too idk, pops heads

i havent used in high havoc tho

[hollow ibex]

bolter's just the ultimate meme blessing interactions weapon

[mortal horizon]

but in auric i rock it with surgical + the bleed one. I dont like deadly accurate too infrequent procs even with surgical bc i only use surgical here or there

[hollow ibex]

i hope they never "fix" it

[mortal horizon]

the puncture breakpoints are nice

but i havent tried it in havoc

[unreal nova]

To be fair, it's basically what it has going for it.

[vernal trench]

boltgun is used a ton in high havocs

oneof the best weapons out there

[mortal horizon]

so, torn on dump stat on bolt pistol

on first glance mobility seems obvious

but tbh collateral doesnt do much

and it could be nice to have that boosted dodges etc

[tall torrent]

DA not worth

[tall torrent]

Collateral

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-staring-cat-stare-stop-staring-at-me-please-gif-9315292369693569596

[tall torrent]

It just isn’t

[unreal nova]

I dumped mobility, but to be fair, i just swap to knoife for GASGASGAS.

[mortal horizon]

thats what i was thinking, but wondering if theres any stagger breakpoint not having 80 misses, like maybe it doesn't knock out a reaper of shooting if pus hardened, but would if 80 collat, for example

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/crunchy-cat-monkeycatluna-monkey-cat-luna-cat-judge-judgy-cat-gif-2738017550527444003

[mortal horizon]

was what i was considering

[tall torrent]

?

[calm shard]

I like big number

[tall torrent]

Yea that bit is obvious from ur name

[unreal nova]

Honestly, the dump depends on your melee. If you go Powersword, you rather just dump collateral. If you use knoife or DS4, you can choose to dump mobility.

[calm shard]

psyker should get plasma gun

[tall torrent]

Collateral doesn’t change stagger breakpoints

So it doesn’t matter

[calm shard]

I NEED to see the 25 stack disrupt destiny scriers gaze shot

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t matter much given it’s not a finesse gun

[calm shard]

damnit you're right

helbore

[tall torrent]

Play marksman focus then

[calm shard]

I do

fully charged MK IV helbore headshot on the basic groaner

[pseudo fiber]

I love full team crashes on havoc 40

another challenge from fatshark

give me harder battles

[unreal nova]

-1 life straight up.

[mortal horizon]

ok so ya this good?

or different perks?

figured wanted reaper dmg and flak is universal

gunners, shotgunners, flak scab shooters

[vernal trench]

tbh infantry alsgun does little damage imo

[mortal horizon]

or is unarmored wanted for yellow shooters/yellow elite gunners?

[calm shard]

don't need reaper damage infantry las has decent unyielding

most go flak+unarmored/maniac

[hearty panther]

ilas have reverse damage fall off

[mortal horizon]

not what i normally run but i hear it fills a nice niche in high havoc and im bored of plasma, recon, revolver, bolter, etc

so was trying something new

[calm shard]

maniac because the infantry las have absurd maniac damage and it makes it even better

[hearty panther]

so their damage table is somewhat misleading

[hollow ibex]

gonna feel like a worse recon tbh

but it's different at least

[mortal horizon]

was told for high havoc its better at headshot gunner countering

heard more than once its one of the better vet weapons/more viable ones in high havoc

but ya also was something different

from plasma/recon

[uncut pebble]

Change unyielding to unarmored so you can comfortably hit gunner 2tap bps (assuming this is the green model) and infernus to headhunter.

Unless youre doing havoc stuff and this is a pus hardened ilas.

In which case you shouldnt be using an ilas. :P

[mortal horizon]

yes i was building it for high havoc

was just told its a viable high havoc gun bc of infernus and consistant anti gunner lmao

[calm shard]

fun gun

[latent parcel]

Making a pickaxe when I get home. Godgryn inc

[mortal horizon]

but i figured reaper dmg was important

[calm shard]

(this is the MKVII)

[mortal horizon]

but ya i can see unarmored being good

[calm shard]

it is but like

infantry las already has good unyielding

[mortal horizon]

I was told MK IIb is good

[calm shard]

p sure the slow one can 3 shot reapers with MF+exe stance

[mortal horizon]

is that not it?

[hearty panther]

reapers youre gonna manage with infernus really

[calm shard]

IIb and VII are the good ones

slow one is the bad one, but it's still fun

[tall torrent]

infernus not worth imo

[mortal horizon]

i mean its the blessing that makes the lasguns even viable in high havoc

so i really disagree lol

[tall torrent]

doesn't crit enough for infernus to be valuable

[mortal horizon]

recon las would be trash without it

[tall torrent]

headhunter + shock trooper is much better ammo econ

[mortal horizon]

ah, that could be the case

bc lower fire rate

[tall torrent]

nah

[mortal horizon]

sounds like you're theory crafting

[tall torrent]

just recon

[vernal trench]

i mean yea use it for fun

[mortal horizon]

and i have advice from people who USE it in havoc and say its good with this build tho

so idk, ill test it out

[vernal trench]

ull never reach godgryn statuus u need me to rescue u

[tall torrent]

laspistol has some crit chance to run infernus but not really reliable enough

[latent parcel]

Ya

[tall torrent]

u need rapid accumulation of burn stacks for infernus to do anything

the only gun that does that is recon

[mortal horizon]

figure i could just drop the weapon specialist reload perk

and pick up deadshot

seems good with it

but idk

[tall torrent]

not worth

[calm shard]

I have mine built like this for MF+exe stance infantry lasgun

though only reason I went out for blood is because I was using the helbore

close order drill+confirmed kill is prob better

[tall torrent]

flak maniac
ghost
headhunter

DA is mid value because the gun doesn't crit often enough without headhunter, and ghost is basically half the reason to use this gun

Infernus is even less value than DA because u want even more crits to use it in the first place

[vernal trench]

u got a lot of fatih in ur teamates to rune xec stance

[tall torrent]

if u gotta farm deadshot/reciprocity to get value out of a blessing on ur gun I feel u went wrong somewhere in ur build

[calm shard]

I run it because I don't trust them to kill shooters and know damn well I am not dying in melee

[tall torrent]

what melee

[calm shard]

usually power sword

heavy sword if I'm using Mk IV helbore

[tall torrent]

what's reciprocity for then

crit farming?

[calm shard]

yeah

[tall torrent]

kinda meh tbh

[calm shard]

I like infinite ammo it's a nice novelty

[tall torrent]

headhunter already does that for u

u can prob get more value out of rending strikes + BID

I don't think u necessarily need determined if u take exe stance

it's already not necessary on helbore

[calm shard]

yeah obv

determined is only there because I switched to infantry las

[tall torrent]

and for inf las, given u have shooter highlight, u shouldn't need it

[calm shard]

and laspistol which is probably why reciprocity was there in the first place

[tall torrent]

normally u don't even need subnodes for exe stance

and if u take exe stance u don't need determined

born leader is pretty low value with exe stance as well

might as well take FTE

[calm shard]

Yeah I took counterfire entirely because gun vet is my go to build for when I'm sick of being shot by random stalkers in dark alleys

[tall torrent]

is that for havoc or base game

[calm shard]

for havoc I run grenade spam most of the time

[hearty panther]

take born leader for havocs

your psykers will thank you

well, i will anyway

[tall torrent]

nah

[hearty panther]

i only have 60 toughness lmao

[orchid hemlock]

fuck ur teamates

[calm shard]

I used to run exhilarating takedown, but ended up switching off it because it only applying on ranged kills sucks

[tall torrent]

for some guns (like recon)
KTHD kinda does more

[tall torrent]

then u can just melee rush shooters

[calm shard]

yeah

if need be I suppress them with bolt pistol

[tall torrent]

then u don't need shooter highlight or determined

[calm shard]

if they decide to tell me to go fuck myself and shoot me anyways just VoC

[tall torrent]

more point save

[calm shard]

No I mean I don't run exe stance build for havo

at all

[tall torrent]

yea so that build is for base game

[calm shard]

I use this with combat knife/bolt pistol

[tall torrent]

and for base game u don't need a lot of things in there

[calm shard]

oop wait

not field improvisation

I use bring it down instead

[tall torrent]

rending strikes not worth

[calm shard]

right forgot that was there too

I've been playing with friends a lot on vet and helping them get penances

this is how I run it normally

close order drill/confirmed kill up top

[tall torrent]

I don't think tinkerer is worth 2 points to grab personally

for boltpistol u kind of NEED superiority complex

it's just so astronomically fucked in terms of breakpoints if u don't

I also think WS is better off for boltpistol assuming u do take superiority complex

always prepared is just neat

especially for an 8r mag gun that reloads quite slow

[calm shard]

reload doesn't feel that slow to me

[hearty panther]

3.5s? for eight rounds that's not much

something like that anyway

[calm shard]

it's definitely not a fast reload, but it's not like revolver or DB shotgun where I feel like I need to have that

[hearty panther]

it's tiered at least so it isnt on the revolver's level of being slow, but you also cant feed in just one or two bullets and cancel it if that's all you needee

[tall torrent]

inspect says 2.48s

but it feels really slow

[hearty panther]

yea couldnt remember

[tall torrent]

why does my character need to do that mag spin

[hearty panther]

i dump reload on it anyway

flair

[calm shard]

have to be cool

[tall torrent]

why does he need to tap the mag after inserting for the ammo counter to update

it's so annoying

[hearty panther]

heretics will be like oh shit that's sick as fuck and take psychic damage

[tall torrent]

That mag tap is so unnecessary

[grand musk]

man I can't stand leveling veteran. Only class I need to max all 30s but it's just so boring at low levels.

[hollow ibex]

it's a pretty bad early experience

honestly they should just grant an xp bonus for every character you have

[unreal nova]

Well, could say the same for Oggy.

[tawny badger]

^

genuinely cannot fw ogryn

[tame lodge]

Sad but understandable

[sleek garden]

when i started this game i wasnt very good so it was a challenge until after i started my veteran

was too afraid to go past heresy for a while

all the classes feel the same at first but id say the psyker feels the hardest to play early game

it felt cool to just blow up a maulers head though

maulers were minibosses

and everyone only had like a tac or combat axe or devils claw

[mortal horizon]

if farming lower level havocs, like 16-20 man

vet just carries so hard lol

later havocs i feel like its psyker carries harder but

those lower tiers where the plasma still has better breakpoints you just crush

[calm shard]

how though

all of ogryns best talents are right at the start of their tree except for like bruiser/attention seeker

[barren nimbus]

vet is pretty important in high havocs for ammo

[calm shard]

don't need ammo if ogryn is turning every ranged enemy into a poxwalker

[unreal nova]

No dodge, super slow and boring. WAY too heavy attack focused.

Switching to gun is like trying to pull out flamer.

By the time I'm ready to shoot, it's better to just switch back to melee or the targets are long dead.

Really, I got used to knoife.

Oggy is like, feels fragile since you eat so many shots.

And as said, I stopped at lvl 8, so you can really only consider lvl 1 to 6 weapons.

[vernal trench]

skill issue

the godgryn pulls out agun and shoots shit like a vet

[crisp oak]

never made it to the mines smh

[unreal nova]

I mean, everything before already made me feel like I'm either falling asleep or doing nothing but smacking around things with 0 damage.

[crisp oak]

fair

thats why you play a ripper bayonet ogryn

[unreal nova]

For the most part, think i was stuck with a bully club and the kickback.

[crisp oak]

yeah tbh the pickaxes are the best feeling weapons to me

[unreal nova]

Do note that I made the oggy when i basically had no resources to like, willy nilly buy stuff.

[crisp oak]

mainly because their heavies look nice

[unreal nova]

And the shop offerings are even more bully clubs anyway.

[hollow ibex]

all the ogryn weapons are so god damn slow

but yeah karsolas is the best i'd say

followed by shield

[unreal nova]

Honestly, at lvl 8 I might just buy a cleaver just to see how 'fast' it is.

[crisp oak]

shield makes me fall asleep

there is always the cursed way of levelling him

[unreal nova]

You mean find someone and just fail twins?

[barren nimbus]

dueling sword is the most boring dog shit weapon ive ever used in a video game

[unreal nova]

Then don't use it?

[crude fiber]

Is failing twins a fast way to level up?

[crisp oak]

agile makes me play like a crackhead

[crisp oak]

yes

[crude fiber]

That's silly

[barren nimbus]

then just die to maulers pog

[unreal nova]

Eh, I just stab with knoife.

[crisp oak]

tried rashad, or power sword, or devils claw

or knife

or heby sword

or mk7 shovel

[unreal nova]

I would say Chainaxe memes, but that's just... spicy to use

[hollow ibex]

there's so many weapons that can kill mauler tho

[crude fiber]

I've been loving the 2nd chainax in the new modifier. 1 special heavy can kill anything if you build it right on vet

[pseudo fiber]

Yummy yummy effortless plasteel

[unreal nova]

So when joke team of I hate X char and want to lvl them us death runs on Hard mode twins?

[crisp oak]

it also gives the most mastery per minute

and ordo dockets

[unreal nova]

Wait wut.

[crisp oak]

found that out by accident

[unreal nova]

So you are saying, just skip to boss and commit sudoku?

[crisp oak]

yup

~2:30 per run including loading screens and in exchange 3k exp, 9.7k ordo dockets, and I think 3k mastery exp

[unreal nova]

Considering a run, assuming carries speed running like heresy is still 17mins for like 5x that...

In XP.

[crisp oak]

yup

however

no mats

[unreal nova]

Eh.

1 weekly h40 will compensate.

[crisp oak]

pretty much

[unreal nova]

Not like I'm going to seriously build my oggy, RIGHT?

[crisp oak]

depends on if you find some of the pickaxes fun

or gunlugger

[unreal nova]

The joke is, I'll just make a "KNOIFE" and then find out it's still slow and can't dodge.

[crisp oak]

this may be the case

[unreal nova]

Then be like, it'll get me to my death faster so i can have my 'free' penance points.

I think the only problem is that it needs 2 ppl.

[crisp oak]

preferably 4

because bots arent good at dying

[unreal nova]

Just do hard mode twins.

[crisp oak]

like I had a bot survive for 5 minutes

[unreal nova]

They'll die faster, RIGHT?

[crisp oak]

in twins

hardmode

[crisp oak]

some botsd are built different

[unreal nova]

Are you telling me the bots are better than the pugs I got?

[crisp oak]

yes

[unreal nova]

.-.

[crisp oak]

I've also had bots revive me

[unreal nova]

Not kidding btw. Funniest part is, i have no clue what even is going on and they still died before I did.

[crisp oak]

I'm not surprised

when I first tried twins we didnt make it to the cauldron....

[unreal nova]

Because the only time I did twins was 1 in uprising and 1 in heresy.

And that's just for penance with the latter.

The 1 wound zealot thing.

[crisp oak]

oh yeah twins is good for that

[unreal nova]

Second try with just full Psyker mains team, "easy" win.

[crisp oak]

I've done hard mode a couple of times, and have been carried twice (once by hamdolson and the other by ainz)

mostly did ogryn

because ogryn is..... really good in twins

[unreal nova]

I never touched it again, lul... Well, uprising more just for less than 3 fart bombs and kill those two at same time.

[crisp oak]

yee

[unreal nova]

The bot ruined the first run.

Then got a fourth and lul.

[lime pendant]

How do we feel about stacking these on heavy laspistol?

[crisp oak]

meh

[calm shard]

if you just use ghost so that you are immune to bullets on headshot you don't need to get toughness back on kill :)

[crisp oak]

^

this

[lime pendant]

Oh fuck I honestly hadnt even noticed. I'm grinding out mastery on all weapons so I'm unfamiliar with all the blessings of Heavy Laspistol. Thanks!

[tall torrent]

Dum dum is almost mandatory
Desperado is ok
Ghost is rly good tho

[hearty panther]

yea reassuringly accurate isnt that bad in theory but you have better options with similar defensive results

[lime pendant]

So if I stack Ghost with Desperado? I like to move a lot and I mainly melee.

I'll swap to ranged if I need to drop a machine gunner or a sniper across the map.

I like heavy lazpistol because it makes me feel like a gunslinger without the ammo restrictions of the revolver.

though revolver armor penetration is bonkers.

[loud belfry]

wtf there's a blessing called desperado and a vet talent

[tall torrent]

Works, but I think dum dum is too good to pass usually

Consistently 30% extra close damage for basically free

[calm shard]

yeah

[proven garden]

what perks and blessings for revolver and caxe

[calm shard]

combat axe is brutal momentum headtaker obv

revolver is I think hand cannon and point blank?

[tall torrent]

For combat axe III
Carapace
Elite / unarmored
Brutal momentum
Headtaker

For revolver IIa
Maniac
Elite / unarmored
Point blank
Run ‘n’ gun

[proven garden]

Can you explain why unarmored is considered

And the revolver blessings

[tall torrent]

For which weapon

[proven garden]

Both

[calm shard]

for revolver it's so you one shot dreg gunners, and for caxe it's for scab bruisers

[lime pendant]

We only preach the gospel of our lord and savior the Shovel here.

[calm shard]

garbage shitass weapon

don't even wanna use it to master it

disgusting

[proven garden]

And what breakpoints do I hit if I take elite instead

[calm shard]

I dunno I ain't a numbers guy

[tall torrent]

For axe u get easier access to scab bruiser 1hs, Dreg gunner 2hs and gets you closer to havoc M21st groaner 1hs

For revolver, unarmored gives u Dreg gunner 1hs if u don’t take superiority complex (in which case elite is enough)

[tall torrent]

Could have won siege of vraks 10 years earlier if they had combat axes instead of shovels

[proven garden]

Alright I’ll take unarmored on revolver and elite on axe then thanks

I think one of the shovels has a folding mode like the ogyrn right

Is that better than the other shovels

[tall torrent]

III and VII have fold

VII is ok

III is pretty bad

[lime pendant]

Vraks fell after the appropriate amount of souls had be properly sacrificed to The God Emperor.

[calm shard]

ogryn shovels are better anyways

[lime pendant]

Yeah thats a fact.

[proven garden]

Is there a recommended shovel that’s just better than the rest or do they all have their own purpose besides mk3

[lime pendant]

But for real I only like shovel because I can bonk a MF'er.

[tall torrent]

Why do u need to use shovel

[lime pendant]

Because bonk.

[proven garden]

Trying something new/leveling up mastery the slow way

[tall torrent]

Use I or VII then

Both are pretty mediocre but usable

[proven garden]

Alright thanks how do they compare with each other

[tall torrent]

III is one trick folded heavy and has ~20% worse horde clear than the other variants in a weapon family that already doesn’t kill things very fast

VII is slightly worse horde clear than mk1 and has no stagger tool but has better single target damage

[proven garden]

I could go for some single target damage

[swift halo]

Hey, any tips for a support build Veteran?

[calm shard]

build for your own personal damage

support your team by killing more enemies

[proven garden]

Can the stagger stop a attacking mauler

[swift halo]

Nah

[calm shard]

VoC alone is naturally enough support especially with the cooldown reduction from Tactical Awareness

[lime pendant]

VOC w/ rez, krak, target highlight, be liberal with application of stims.

[proven garden]

Just build gold shout and your team is now permanently immortal

[tall torrent]

U should really just go look in my guide

[proven garden]

The hammer of the emperor?

[tall torrent]

Yea
Kill enemies so well they stop being problems

[tall torrent]

Yes

[proven garden]

Got it thanks

[tall torrent]

There’re some parts out of date

But

Mostly accurate

And if it isn’t

U can ask

[swift halo]

Thank you!

[lime pendant]

I also recommend double barrel shotgun if you're running support. get in and get out real quick.

[tall torrent]

Don’t play VoC with revive subnode

[swift halo]

why

[tall torrent]

The rest are pretty generalist advice

[tall torrent]

You are better off supporting yourself & the team by getting to use VoC much more frequently

[swift halo]

Take me as someone who knows nothing

[calm shard]

It lowers the radius of the ability, and only provides value if someone is already down

VoC is a very spammable ability thanks to Tactical Awareness

[proven garden]

You want to spam voc so they never need to be revived in the first place

[calm shard]

You feel that radius every single time you use it. You don't always revive someone with it

Also it has high stagger so that can usually get you a free revive anyways without the revive node

[tall torrent]

You’re better off frequently using an ability that literally prevents all damage while active

Compared to giving it much longer cooldown just so you can maybe revive one unfortunate teammate once in a while

[calm shard]

Is it longer cooldown? I though it just made the radius smaller

[tall torrent]

30s base
45s with revive node

[tall torrent]

Big difference

[calm shard]

oh

gross

man

mercenary kruber just had to worry about opportunity cost with their revive shout in VT2

but using it here just actively destroys the abilities entire purpose

[tall torrent]

There’s no opportunity

Just cost

[normal sparrow]

Funni fold damage
https://youtu.be/ezehxYseT14?si=DYN0gLPFhm5qPozx

[tall torrent]

Most of those enemies take 3x melee damage

[tame lodge]

Why's bro qqing 😭

[normal sparrow]

Im aware

[loud belfry]

interesting buff indicator placement

like a blindfold made of buff icons