veteran-class

[sterile tendon]

Thank you

[orchid hemlock]

Uh

I'm not sure what u mean by that but ig?

[sterile tendon]

Is it ment for healing

[orchid hemlock]

Braced is sorta like a specialist/wave clearing tool for mixed hordes

[icy lance]

Anyone has a good build for a shock moul vet?

[sterile tendon]

I looked at it

@orchid hemlock it will be perfect

Won’t be able to pull it off completely till I am a higher level

[grand perch]

heres what i do. ranged weapon would be bolt pistol in this setup

(actually i use exploit weakness instead of 25 toughness but shht)

feel free to go one motion > out for blood > movespeed node at the start instead

[past oriole]

lord give me strength

[tall torrent]

It’ll prob be fine

[grand perch]

But it's not the mighty @tired egret

[past oriole]

will it grant me the juicy extra +1 shot

[tall torrent]

If thermal resist doesn’t drop, yea

[past oriole]

its like my third day trying to roll for the 69 71

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-hell-gif-8356693125066769156

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-blade-runner-darktide-when-you-find-me-gif-13647306158287826208

[past oriole]

[tall torrent]

Still fine

[past oriole]

[tall torrent]

U get like 10ms extra pre-fire delay

No big deal

U have to be a special kind of special to tell that difference

[past oriole]

i am neo the frames breathe through me

[icy lance]

Theres NO WAY!?

[tall torrent]

Me when I miss Boltpistol 1 tap breakpoints

[hearty panther]

you got it right

[tall torrent]

yea

I think

[hearty panther]

ye das it

[tall torrent]

I'm now only 42 weapons away from finishing the weapons section

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[thorn lark]

Where is the most recent version of your build?

[past oriole]

wow dont think ive ever gotten a score like this before

[thorn lark]

Wait

I played with you at some point

Someone called you sgt clutch

[faint beacon]

Path summoning me for the Agri IX Vigilant section

Lmao

[thorn lark]

Are you a taxe user or something?

[past oriole]

nah i hate t axe

i use rashad and shovel usually

[thorn lark]

Ok it was an axe

[past oriole]

yeah rashad is insanely strong and easy

fun to just lmb into hordes

[austere mica]

I like thinking when I play

[orchid hemlock]

time to turn off my brain then:

[past oriole]

this game was shovel though

shovel is my favourite wep

[knotty bay]

What melee weapon should I grind so far I've only really used the dueling sword

[heavy rover]

Rashad combat axe

[thorn lark]

Combat knife

[arctic rampart]

power sword, knife, rashad are the next best pick your poison. I heard shock maul is supposed to be nice? (I didn't try that one yet).

got the shovel, heavy sword, chain sword, chain axe, tac axe, etc. next tier weapons that people enjoy but are not the same level

[hollow ibex]

Smaul is meh

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[tame lodge]

Just bring something for monstrosities and Smaul will go bzzzzt

[radiant chasm]

smaul is meh besides it counters bulwarks

which is uhh, something vet doesn't struggle with usually

[pseudo fiber]

But it is fun

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-is-it-though-thor-bruce-banner-gif-14242312

[lime marsh]

What do you guys recommend for the every shot count penence

[tall torrent]

Double barrelled shotgun

[lime marsh]

Does every pellet count towards acurracy

[tall torrent]

As long as 1 pellet hits something that wasn’t dead, it counts as that shot having hit an enemy

[lime marsh]

Can I did comet and reconnect to reset acuracy or did they fix it

[tall torrent]

not sure

[normal sparrow]

Thats been fixed for ages

[lime marsh]

What map do you recommend for this or the easiest way to get it done

[normal sparrow]

Just do rolling steel or twins so you have less time for pain
Keep blasting your low ammo gun

[charred pulsar]

Which mark of the recon lasgun is the most ammo efficient?

[hollow ibex]

unless you're purely relying on infernus for damage (who does that), mk vi

coincidentally, also my preferred mark

[visual remnant]

Post ur pfp

Pos..

Pls..

[stoic thorn]

God why is the shotgun so ass

The slug one is so ass 💔💔

Actually all of them are

[radiant chasm]

Cause they are all balanced around manstopper

[stoic thorn]

What

[radiant chasm]

Agri turns into a railgun that competes with zarona outside of cara/unyielding

Accatran turns back into a decent weapon

And zarona (formerly lawby) wipes horde and low tier elites with ease

[radiant chasm]

They are carried by their blessing

Manstopper

A metric shit ton of cleave if you crit, and vet can force a lot of ranged crits

[tame lodge]

Try aiming down sights

[tall torrent]

This is a game where a revolver has better hipfire than a shotgun

[radiant chasm]

Also yea agri shotgun still oneshots trash shooters at mid range with it’s normal rounds, sure they aren’t the best weapon but they aren’t ass

[radiant chasm]

But is it booming

Hell even in havoc i think a meme manstopper flechette could still do work no?

[tall torrent]

DB works

[radiant chasm]

Force crits, bleed goes through pox hardened

Yee

[tall torrent]

Because DB actually kills things

Unlike combat shotguns

[radiant chasm]

Yea but that’s havoc 40

[tall torrent]

Nah even in base game

[radiant chasm]

The havoc 40 meta is basically it’s own game

[tall torrent]

Combat shoguns’ consistency is wack

[radiant chasm]

I think all the combat shotguns besides like

Accatran

[tall torrent]

They’re not consistent at all

Which is their biggest problem

[radiant chasm]

Cause kanty just ate too much nerfed before the name change

[tall torrent]

Their ammo pool would be fine if they were consistent headshot 1 tap weapons

Because every other headshot 1 tap weapon has ~same amount of ammo as them

Excluding the mk7 v.auto

[visual remnant]

PEAK

Tank u

@severe gale

[stoic thorn]

How can I force crits on vet

[tall torrent]

Weapon specialist

[stoic thorn]

Is it just weapon spec

[tall torrent]

Or deadshot

[stoic thorn]

I think there's a node above exe stance for 10% crit chance for 20% of clip after reload

[radiant chasm]

Recip deadshot scattershot

[severe gale]

holy awesome

[radiant chasm]

Or weapon spec

[radiant chasm]

Trash node iirc tho im not sure how it functions with stage reloads

[stoic thorn]

It's fun on plasma I think

Big clip = funny

It triggers more than 20% damage if noones within 8m of you

[tall torrent]

Nah

[stoic thorn]

Because there's always someone within 8m of you

[radiant chasm]

Doesn’t plasma take more ammo per shot

[tall torrent]

Opening salvo is

[radiant chasm]

So the value isn’t even that good

Lol

[stoic thorn]

Idk

[tall torrent]

Pathetically mid outside of a few weapons

[stoic thorn]

Plasma vaporises

I also ran it for like recon las

[tall torrent]

It really only matters for Helbore / recon / laspistol

[stoic thorn]

Fastest firing mark

With infernus

[tall torrent]

With shock trooper

[radiant chasm]

Idk id rather just take recip

[tall torrent]

And maybe the Vraks 5

But that’s if you’re going through exe stance in the first place

[radiant chasm]

Your always dodging

[tall torrent]

If u don’t take exe stance, it’s not worth 1 point

[radiant chasm]

Yea also true

Exec stance stinky

When shout exists

[stoic thorn]

I love exe stance

Very good with my plasma

[tall torrent]

Exe stance plasma is very sad

[stoic thorn]

Or my infantry las

[tall torrent]

Mainly because it’s like 5% damage off every breakpoint

[stoic thorn]

I need it for shooting people worth shooting

[radiant chasm]

Exec stances mega hard investing for bps

[tall torrent]

You don’t need it to shoot at stuff

[radiant chasm]

Shout vets accepting they just need to shoot one more time if they barely invest

[stoic thorn]

But I need that vetovision

[tall torrent]

Exe stance’s whole schtick for plasma is to pre-fire wallbang

If you’re not using it for that purpose it’s sorta just not great

[stoic thorn]

Infantry las is better though right

For it

[tall torrent]

The +25% damage is additive, not multiplicative, so it’s actually like 5~8% damage off from major breakpoints

[tall torrent]

I think the best exe stance gun is Boltgun

[radiant chasm]

^

[stoic thorn]

I am not running boltgun

[radiant chasm]

inflas can just use it’s middle ground mark

And go shout

[tall torrent]

Exe stance Boltgun is prob the highest damage build on veteran

[stoic thorn]

I quite like the highest damage one

[radiant chasm]

I see a lot of people who juice what used to be the meta lasgun (highest damage)

[stoic thorn]

Rewards precision

[radiant chasm]

The king of fell off weapons

[stoic thorn]

What

I think ill

[radiant chasm]

But it’s just 10x easier, more ammo efficient and higher rof

[tall torrent]

It’s not very good

[stoic thorn]

Just stop playing this fucking game

[radiant chasm]

To go down to the middle ground mark

Lol lmao

Knowledge is a curse

[stoic thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/was-gif-25190641

[tall torrent]

Lasgun IX is the same shots to kill as VII but with much slower firerate and more ADS sway

[radiant chasm]

It dont even remember it got nerfed, more so power crept and people solved the game

[tall torrent]

[stoic thorn]

At least I still have my chainsword

Kills the horde

[tall torrent]

Oh no

[stoic thorn]

The true cadia

[radiant chasm]

It’s basically do you want to do the bare minimum investment and get 2shot bps with mk7

[stoic thorn]

Power sword sucks ass

[tall torrent]

Cadia fell because they had chainswords instead of axes

[stoic thorn]

Gotta power it up first

[radiant chasm]

Or do you super hard invest to barely hit mk9 inflas breakpoints

[stoic thorn]

Cadia fell because they all ran shout vets.

[radiant chasm]

That’s its gameplay loop

[radiant chasm]

No they were stealth vets

[stoic thorn]

If they all went exe stance they could've shot the Blackstone fortress out of orbit

[radiant chasm]

Cause they vanished into dust

[tall torrent]

If they did abaddon would have gotten stun locked

[radiant chasm]

Diablo 2 barbarian moment

[stoic thorn]

Cadia fell because they didn't get the stealth zealot with the thammer

Abbadon would've been cooked

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/barbarian-shout-shouting-carbot-gif-26857635

[tall torrent]

Chainsword is prob one of the worst options on veteran

[radiant chasm]

Ehh

[stoic thorn]

I'm fucking killing myself

[tall torrent]

So iconic
So one dimensional

[radiant chasm]

Idk about worst

[stoic thorn]

I am about to shoot someone

[radiant chasm]

I think there is a couple things worse

[tall torrent]

One of

[radiant chasm]

Than chsword

[stoic thorn]

What's next

The chainaxe

[tall torrent]

It would be good
If it had 2x the single target damage and stagger

[tall torrent]

Is also pretty meh for veteran

[stoic thorn]

On my zealot

[radiant chasm]

Chaxe has always been iffy on vet

It’s great on zealot tho

[stoic thorn]

Good

I was about to start tweaking

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t call it “great” on zealot

[radiant chasm]

Cause it likes attack speed and damage stacking

[tall torrent]

More like, fine

[radiant chasm]

It is

[stoic thorn]

I keep fucking dying on zealot

[radiant chasm]

Unless you factor in havoc

[stoic thorn]

I can't dodge

[radiant chasm]

Then you are just, limiting your fun

[stoic thorn]

I keep running tf out

[tall torrent]

The damage distribution cap is still just so wrong

[radiant chasm]

Learn to pace yourself

And not panic

[radiant chasm]

Yea but it has significantly more stagger than evi to compensate

[stoic thorn]

No I just like fury of the faithful and jumpscare myself into the horde

Blood for the god emperor

I'm trying to just spam heavies

[radiant chasm]

And mk4 chaxe is extremely safe single target because it can light spam

[stoic thorn]

Because that's how I think I get my toughness back

Mainly

[tall torrent]

I think it’s just “fine”

[radiant chasm]

Which is the biggest downside to chain weapons is their long activation+activated shred animations

[tall torrent]

B tier pick

[radiant chasm]

A- tier

[stoic thorn]

God I hate psyker

It's like a plasma gun but worse

[radiant chasm]

Just run second wind, duelist, good balance, and inexorable judgement dodge extension node

Force urself to dodge

Stop panic dodging

Learn the timer where all your charges regen at once

Ultra instinct requires a calm mind and body

[stoic thorn]

I wish one of my vet weapons weren't so ass

Like the plasma or highest dmg infantry las

Or make exe stance better

[radiant chasm]

I learned via brute force, pre nerf chaos spawn when i was using chaxe when it had the worse dodges in the game

[tall torrent]

Plasma is good

Just wouldn’t run it with exe stance

[stoic thorn]

God please buff exe stance

[tall torrent]

It’s playable

[radiant chasm]

Plasma is one of the better weapons lol you just dont know what makes it good yet

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s fine where it is

The problem is pathing

2 bad nodes

[radiant chasm]

No thanks it had it’s time in the sun back in the feats era

[stoic thorn]

I want to vaporise specials and elites

I am not fucking running psyker

[radiant chasm]

75% DR infinite duration confirmed kill at 25% instant /25% overtime that stacked

Instant reload

[tall torrent]

If u rly want to play exe stance I think Boltgun is by far the best gun for that

[radiant chasm]

Just run bistol

Puncture lethal proximity

Nades and bistol solve all your issues, my melee is the mk1 shovel

[stoic thorn]

Plasma and chainsword was the reason I bought this game

[radiant chasm]

I mean that’s a fine build

[stoic thorn]

I saw that shit once and went "man I want to fucking gamble"

[radiant chasm]

Plasma and chsword cover eachother’s weakness

[stoic thorn]

I'm very disappointed because there's no gambling in the plasma

[tall torrent]

I wish chainsword was better

[stoic thorn]

Factual

[radiant chasm]

Honestly i dont

I fear one buff will make it like the recons

[stoic thorn]

Die

[radiant chasm]

Where everyone starts running it

[tall torrent]

Plasma is the only gun in the game that requires serious gambling for perfect roll now lol

[tall torrent]

Nah

[radiant chasm]

Edited to the right gun

[stoic thorn]

The plasma exe stance functions well enough for me atm

[radiant chasm]

Chsword crit dmg doesn’t fall off with cleave any substantial buffs risk it being the dominant meta

[stoic thorn]

I just need the chainsword to be buffed

[tall torrent]

Give it more chain-revved damage
Give it enough stagger to interrupt rager combo on weakspot hit with heavy atk
Give it more single target damage outside of chain-rev

[radiant chasm]

Im pretty sure it will be the next recon if buffed except abused by zealots

And psykers and vets lol

[tall torrent]

That’s fine

That’s many fewer duelling swords in use

Which is quite good

[stoic thorn]

Please buff the chainsword it'll be the only cadian boon this edition

[radiant chasm]

At least the fucking weapon swap macro was killed by fatshark

The macro abusing chsword users were annoying

And they have all become quell cancel macro users

[tall torrent]

Because as it stands Chainsword’s anti-elite is just miserable

[stoic thorn]

Is the chainsword good for hordes

[tall torrent]

It’s a one trick horde clear

And not even the best at it

[radiant chasm]

Yes

[stoic thorn]

I rev it from time to time because God damn it's so satisfying

[radiant chasm]

It’s basically only chaff clear

[stoic thorn]

Bruisers?

[radiant chasm]

It falls off when you start putting in bruisers

[stoic thorn]

I'm about to kill myself

Actually that's fine

5 dodges

Plenty

[radiant chasm]

I mean 13g with wrath or mk4 with rampage shred or rampage sweep can handle it

It’s just, a nose dive

[tall torrent]

Combat axe has 5 dodges & same mobility
Way better anti-elite
Way better single target vs carapace & unyielding
Still faster horde clear

[radiant chasm]

Compared to it’s poxwalker/groaner clear

[stoic thorn]

I don't need allat I have the plasma for that shit

[tall torrent]

Run exe Boltgun, it does that better

[stoic thorn]

I will die before thay

Boltgun stinky

I say with a maxed out boltgun

[tall torrent]

Ig if u just don’t care about optimizing builds that’s fine

[stoic thorn]

It works for aurics

I think

[tall torrent]

Auric doesn’t need that much build optimization

[stoic thorn]

I don't want to go havoc

[tall torrent]

U can beat 3veg by getting carried randomly

It’s how much u want to carry

Where optimization starts mattering a bit more

[stoic thorn]

Being a plasma user from the get go made me very focused on targeting elites and specials

Honestly bistol doesn't sound all too bad

I used bistol when I was zealoting

Not too shabby

[tall torrent]

Boltgun hits every 1 tap breakpoint that plasma normally doesn’t
And it’s not like chainsword needs much melee investment for veteran anyway

Even if u turbo invest into melee talents, chainsword is still just chainsword

[stoic thorn]

It goes brrr

And dreg bruisers look very tasty

Hit them with an overhead from like the mk13 while revving it and sparks come flying out

It's very

Satisfying

So is repeatedly hitting crushers with it with the revving on

God I hate gunners

They don't die to one hit plasma

[tall torrent]

They do tho

[stoic thorn]

I can't hit headshots so uh

Not with the plasma

For some reason

[tall torrent]

With exe stance it’s 1 bodyshot kill pretty sure

[stoic thorn]

I go monkey mode with plasma

[tall torrent]

If u build talents correctly

[stoic thorn]

Sometimes it is

Sometimes it isnt

[tall torrent]

Nah

[stoic thorn]

Maybe I've got the wrong blessins

I run flak/unyield

So I can deal with ogryns and contribute more with bosses

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s built wrong

Too bad

[stoic thorn]

What the fuck

Is it then

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + flak/maniac

[stoic thorn]

What the fuck

[tall torrent]

Normally anyway

If u run exe stance and don’t care about headshots

[stoic thorn]

Who tf got unarmoured

Unless it's like

[tall torrent]

I guess flak + maniac?

[stoic thorn]

The dreg gunners

[tall torrent]

You guessed it

[stoic thorn]

Maniacs I already beat the shit out of

[tall torrent]

And Tox bomber

[stoic thorn]

I alr oneshot that fucker anyway so

Maybe

[wanton dawn]

Unarmored flak in h40 for me

[stoic thorn]

Flak/Unarmoured

Blessings?

[tall torrent]

Flak + unarmored is the standard build

Rising heat + gets hot

[stoic thorn]

I think I got those

Then I'm useless for bosses

[wanton dawn]

Stop shooting bosses

[stoic thorn]

I am not fucking meleeing the bosses

I don't want to get vored

By the beast of nurgle

[bleak cradle]

Bubble bubble. And/or dodge throw up

[tall torrent]

U can melee plague ogryn and chaos spawn pretty easily
Well, chainsword would be harder but still fine usually

[stoic thorn]

I can run Psword

I've got it maxed out

[tall torrent]

anyways this is ur plasma exe stance 1 bodyshot

[stoic thorn]

Peak

[wanton dawn]

You marked it

[stoic thorn]

I think I'll send my build later

[tall torrent]

Yea what else are u supposed to build

[stoic thorn]

I run weapons spec

[tall torrent]

It needs redirect fire for bodyshot breakpoint

[stoic thorn]

Oh

Change of plans

Then it's focus target then

[tall torrent]

it's very very basic

u can take either exe stance pathing talent, both are ass

[stoic thorn]

I dont

I take the right side

[tall torrent]

killzone doesn't matter much for this build's breakpoint since it's hard carried by redirect fire anyway

[stoic thorn]

Right side to trench drill

[tall torrent]

yea too bad

[stoic thorn]

What

[tall torrent]

built exe stance just to miss 1 taps

[stoic thorn]

What does Rending do again

[tall torrent]

u don't need it for plasma

[stoic thorn]

Oh

[wanton dawn]

I dont like this build

[tall torrent]

I don’t either

[stoic thorn]

Anyway imma go home and read what weapon spec actually does

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t run exe stance for plasma in the first place

[wanton dawn]

It makes your melee go brrr

[stoic thorn]

So the stacks for weapon specialist matter for the ranged attack speed or

[wanton dawn]

And your first shot go crit

[tall torrent]

Yes
Not much for plasma

It’s more for automatics

[wanton dawn]

Noticiable on autogun but... not super useful ?

[stoic thorn]

So the main point of weapon spec is the crits

I'm guessing like after 3 stacks of ranged spec it's just a guaranteed crit

[tall torrent]

Main point is ranged crit and melee bonus

[stoic thorn]

Aight

[tall torrent]

But unfortunately you got a chainsword so

That melee side bonus doesn’t make that huge of a difference

[grand perch]

You know how much pain it is to build for those.

[tall torrent]

I actually found it to be simpler

The downside is u have to take superiority complex

It’s way way way harder without superiority complex

Also I just finished braced autoguns’ stagger breakpoints

So much pain and suffering

[grand perch]

kinda my point. i dont want to miss out on WS + subnode / bring it down + rending strikes / or demo team + other just to get superiority

not when the taxe is the focus of the build

[tall torrent]

rending strikes is not needed for tac axe

[tall torrent]

u just gotta accept that it will be bad vs carapace & unyielding no matter what

[grand perch]

so this outdated?

[normal sparrow]

Numbers?
I dont even remember boltpistol bps, maybe elite gunner headshot

[tall torrent]

Basically u need 2x 5% ranged damage nodes, puncture and superiority complex

Everything else is simple from that point on

I think 2nd blessing is build dependent

Best use case is obv lethal prox with frag grenades

But if u want it to be revolver 0.8

Point blank is genuinely not bad

Lasts quite a while and allows u to crit bodyshot 1 tap things

Can’t 1 tap bodyshot dreg rager like revolver tho

So it’s still not as good as revolver but for auric that kinda doesn’t matter

[normal sparrow]

I think i only have 5% ranged damage node in mine, the one over/under ammo aura
Oneshot carried by weapon spec crit

[tall torrent]

Well

One of the 5% ranged damage nodes can be substituted by fire team

[normal sparrow]

Also puncture to finish off trapper bodyshot

[tall torrent]

So it’s not hard to get

[normal sparrow]

Just checked, 5% ranged and puncture

[tall torrent]

I think that requires puncture to bleed flamers quite a while?

[normal sparrow]

Its 2 shots or a crit headshot iirc

[tall torrent]

Nah flamers are in 1 headshot territory

[wanton dawn]

Can you even not get 2×5% ranged or ranged+fire team on a build that tries ?

[tall torrent]

Without superiority complex, it’s hard to build breakpoint

[normal sparrow]

I just put it at good enough

[wanton dawn]

I guess if you go speed aura ?

[tall torrent]

Redirect fire + fire team is missing 12 damage on scab gunner for 1HS

Smth like that

[normal sparrow]

Path frags > ammo aura > right/middle nodes for weapon spec

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but not taking left for weakspot is also hurting melee

Left tree weakspot, ammo and complex are great for ws build

[normal sparrow]

Replaced the 30% weakspot talent for nade regen + tinkerer

[cobalt bay]

dump stat on spearbolter?

[tall torrent]

Mobility

[cobalt bay]

thanks for the info!

[frank ledge]

Darcy was right

Buff veteran

[stoic thorn]

Me watching as the bitch ass psyker leaves me nothing to kill

[wanton dawn]

I dont think you really know what it feels like

[dry cloak]

what is he using?

[wanton dawn]

'Member talent tree introduction psyker ?

[faint beacon]

Surge Macro Spam

Thats the new age version of it lol

[wanton dawn]

There's like, 3 psykers that knows how to use it.

[frank ledge]

Reminder to the m1 macro users

There's people banned over it's use

Drop it

Oh and guys if you see one, report em

[narrow frost]

I saw a quell cancle once

[wanton dawn]

I dont think youll get much reach here

[dry cloak]

i always play as devs intended

[wanton dawn]

With locks on

[dry cloak]

yes

[frank ledge]

[dry cloak]

jokes aside

i once encountered 2 zealots that teleported through checkpoints

[wanton dawn]

I once got accused of cheating for playing limbsplitter bm bayonet.

[iron marten]

Never forget what they took from us

[wanton dawn]

[frank ledge]

[stoic thorn]

The staff that shoots big blue balls

[dry cloak]

the best staff

[normal sparrow]

Assail gaming?

[wanton dawn]

Bingo

Though arguably the voidstrike (ball one ?) was even worse during the same patch

[normal sparrow]

That requires gear
Assail only need talent pathing, then you just throw funni shard for 20 mins while exploding a few times

[unreal nova]

Lrn2emergency vent and lvl that penance.

I was bad at it though, never actually hit over 100% lul.

[normal sparrow]

Im not the one exploding
Both heresy and damnation (auric doesnt exist yet) are populated with these assail monkeys that literally hold w and m1 assail
The worst part? Thanks to how busted assail and prenerf talents was you can literally do this until you either explode or gets crusher/bulwark spammed

[unreal nova]

But the penance. (Was a chore.)

[dry cloak]

i did it easily

when learning psyker

[unreal nova]

I had 3 by the time I was done being a complete nub.

.-.

The rest was done by just running around with EK/Strike purposely going over 100%.

[normal sparrow]

An extra cast is not a chore for me
I think i did it in 2 runs?

[unreal nova]

Muscle memory keeps making me quell at 97-98% lul.

Also the loud boom.

[dry cloak]

i got used to playing scriers gaze

so i sometimes explode

[grand perch]

i had a vet explode at havoc 30 or so

quite embarassing

[unreal nova]

Plasma related accident, I see.

[grand perch]

why was he charging up shots in the first place

[unreal nova]

More damage?

I dunno, I don't use it.

I do know it can trigger perils penances.

[grand perch]

pointless waste of ammo on higher havocs

[pseudo fiber]

Love of the game it seems

[frank ledge]

Meets crusher breakpoints for cleave

But outside of that yeah

[unreal nova]

Ah. Never saw one in higher havocs so no clue really.

[wanton dawn]

No reason to charge in h40

Its fun on long bridge

[tacit sonnet]

Isn't it actually less damage?

It was like x2 damage for x2.5 ammo or something like that

[unreal nova]

No clue. But more meant in a per shot basis for bp.

[fickle narwhal]

is bolter executioner posture viable on havoc?

[crisp oak]

found out there is a way to glitch carnival 1 (so you can skip most of the first third), still not sure how that works

[dry cloak]

This was on hab dreyko and they were naked spamming vaccum capsule

[light ridge]

In a 1000 hours I think I've only had 2 runs with macro spammers
Once two vets, stuff died suspiciously fast and the tag spam was nuts
Once a psyker, didn't help him much in the end...

[gritty mural]

i remember a vet using tag spam, that shit was annoying to hear

[sturdy karma]

If I’m running focus target and I tag a mob and someone kills it before I get to shoot my bolt pistol is saddens me that if I had just shot instead of spending the 0.5s tagging that would have been my kill

On the Asia central server those guys love a ping/tag

Guess it makes sense since I assume they all speak different languages

[grand perch]

tagspamming is annoying as fuck

you can turn it off in the sound options but that shouldnt be on me. i want to hear pings, just not 10 per second

[crude fiber]

Ran into too many M1 and location spam pingers to leave the audio on. I ping enemies a lot but not the same 1 over and over again

[weary hornet]

is hadron getting corrupted by nurgle??
i just bought this recon with 60 collateral 80 ammo, after max upgrate i get 62 collateral and 78 ammo

[dry cloak]

Loife

Hadron needs to eat to

[weary hornet]

I even turned off mods to see if I was tripping

[twin ingot]

By the emperor who ever thought of giving the head hunter guns 2x zoom should 2x zoom their necks themselves this gun is unusable now, when did they kark up the zoom on it

[tame lodge]

Bruh

Get the 9 then

[umbral grove]

You know how much work that is

[crimson wyvern]

my last pennance to clear as vet

god I hate this

[pallid jetty]

lmao just take some autogun and wait for every horde

ez

[warm bolt]

Cant you also cheese it with melee?

[sturdy karma]

2nd this… stick on Vraks IAG and play it run n gun

[pallid jetty]

the penance is so easy, you dont need any cheese

[sturdy karma]

You can have the penance done in like 8 aurics maybe less if you hip fire hordes in the face

And it’s also fun because when you do get 10 stacks on an IAG oh baby the shit goes

The emperors lawnmower

[tropic halo]

I used a recon lasgun while waiting for massive hordes on damnation

Having to stad still and doing a lot of missions to complete was pretty boring

[crimson wyvern]

standin still in darktide is really hard to do even with the 6 sec grace period

[midnight totem]

Eh

Stand next to a spawn door

[sturdy karma]

It’s good if you wanna get netted or dogged

[crimson wyvern]

Yeah, its making me play worse by trying to conform to the keystones playstyle

Its aweful lol

[sturdy karma]

I just ignored the grace period and relied on the fact the IAG headshots are so frequent and pretty much one tap into hordes even if your stacks start to decay it fills straight back up

[crimson wyvern]

IAG?

[sturdy karma]

Treat it like gun psyker scriers gaze

Vraks infantry auto gun

[crimson wyvern]

Ahh

ive been cheesing it a bunch by standing still and slashing at hordes and using shredders

[sturdy karma]

If you hip fire that into hordes at head height it shreds everything

[still crater]

Vet penance cringe

[sturdy karma]

And your benefiting from the increased reload speed

[sturdy karma]

I found the armourbane the Krak penance the worst for Vet

[still crater]

Yes they're all bad

Vet pennances cringe

[sturdy karma]

I think Ogryns overall are the worst because it’s so Grindy

5000 kills with hard hitter max stacks shit like that

[still crater]

I didnt mind the ogyn ones because I played ogryn at the time. The taunt one was dumb but fast, just playing normally and the other 2 just happened

Hh is free you dont even have to think about it most of the time

[sturdy karma]

Yeah unless you specifically want the penance done so you can stop playing ogryn 😂

[unreal nova]

Crabwalk one.

[still crater]

Made me want to kms for real

Boring as shit

[unreal nova]

Even armorbane was saner.

I was using kraks into scab hordes anyway.

[sturdy karma]

The zealot fire nade was also awful. When I done it the immo nade had to actually get the killing blow, it took like 30 games or some shit to do then I saw in patch notes it was supposedly a bug

It wasn’t supposed to be like that

[unreal nova]

I think it only counts the initial impact kills.

Anything walking in after lul.

[sturdy karma]

It was some bullshit whatever the bug was because I’d be throwing like 12 a game and get 20 kills

[fleet thicket]

at this point

only class that unironiclaly using shock mauls

is the vet

that weapon died

[unreal nova]

Naw funni smykers.

[crisp oak]

Thunder with thunder and some more thunder

[unreal nova]

Shock mauls are so awful to use, IDK how I used it before.

No dodge, okay blocks. Weird st moveset if you don't start with special.

[pseudo fiber]

Because it had lightning reflexes which was really cool

[tame lodge]

2 special attacks gunner breakpoints

[unreal nova]

10 secs tazing them slowly to death.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/payday2-pd2-cloaker-you-call-this-resisting-arrest-we-call-this-a-difficulty-tweak-gif-5699362801933530758

[unreal nova]

They just roundhouse you though.

[tame lodge]

Then beat the shit out of you while you're downed

Hnmmm

Maybe FS should make gunners hold the trigger if electrocuted

[unreal nova]

You want to die, is it?

[warm bolt]

[tame lodge]

Just don't get shot

[warm bolt]

-Sun Tzu, the art of war

[unreal nova]

Since unless you stealth taze, you are getting shot.

[tame lodge]

Just taze and get out of the way

They'd still be electrocuted

And apply that to smite as well

https://tenor.com/view/lasers-concert-lights-gif-5102526

[unreal nova]

This is evil though.

[sleek garden]

Are shock mauls actually bad

I haven't taken one into havoc but I normally used like Skullcrusher and the one that has a chance to stun on hit

[crisp oak]

Just mid tbh

[sleek garden]

Currently taking the troll blessing that stuns on timed block

[crisp oak]

I dont like them

[sleek garden]

It's funny

[crisp oak]

Idk why but the range doesnt feel right to me

[sleek garden]

It only applies to one enemy so if a poxwalker hits you right before the rager you only stun the poxwalker not the rager

[crisp oak]

Yup

But I mean like its lights and heavies

Just feel so short

Compared to say, chainsword/shovel/knife

[sleek garden]

I didn't notice, is it shorter?

[crisp oak]

No idea

[sleek garden]

The main thing I look for in melee is usually horde clear which it has kind of a struggle with but not too bad

[crisp oak]

So shovel mk1

[sleek garden]

Duh

but I like to try out new things

[crisp oak]

Yeah

Did the masteries for the maul

Wasnt fun for me

[sleek garden]

Shovel doesnt really horde clear

It horde controls

The mk1 devils claw horde clears but the lights are lacking in killing power in comparison to shovel

[crisp oak]

Yup

[sleek garden]

and the parry is more situational

And lately I tried out the green flip shovel

Was interesting

[crisp oak]

Weapons I liked during masteries: shovel, combat axe, dsword, knife, csword, dclaw

[sleek garden]

Might try it again

I don't really like the power sword

[crisp oak]

Weapons that I went ehhh on: power sword

[sleek garden]

Its powerful but you need stuff staggered before you fight with it

[crisp oak]

Weapons I didnt like: taxe, smaul

[sleek garden]

So it's useless without tossing a frag first or taking voice of command

And I like executor stance

[crisp oak]

Dont like it but I still use it in my 40 vet build

[sleek garden]

Worst weapon in the game to be ambushed with is power sword

[crisp oak]

For braindead horde clear

[sleek garden]

Yeah but activation takes so long and it has horrible blocks and dodges

if you aren't using frags or voice of command you just die mid horde because the unpowered strikes are ridiculously weak

[crisp oak]

Yup

You need good spacing and methods of cc

[sleek garden]

I was taking it with frags and I ended up running out of frags because I would rather toss frags then use the sword

However against like crusher hordes in the one auric maelstrom it's pretty serviceable

I always take sunder

[crisp oak]

I dont use heavies with my psword

Just lights

[sleek garden]

I'm using the one with the fat blade

[crisp oak]

Same I think

[sleek garden]

the heavies are straight across

[crisp oak]

Ah

Maybe Im using the other one

It has horizontal lights

So its super braindead

[sleek garden]

You should be using the other one because the fat blade is really really bad

[crisp oak]

Power->light->light->light

[sleek garden]

The other one got buffs and left the old one in the dust

[crisp oak]

As everything combo

[sleek garden]

I think it's munitorum vs scandar

Scandar is fat blade

I forgot

[crisp oak]

Dont remember the name, just the moveset and combo

[sleek garden]

Yeah

[crisp oak]

Overead heavies

[sleek garden]

The one you use goes from activate to block smoothly

The scandar doesn't

yours also has innate block stamina cost reduction

Scandar doesn't

[crisp oak]

Oof

[sleek garden]

I have no idea why the disparity is this high

Difference in usability is night and day

But the straight across heavies with sunder is great for lots of heavy armor

Good luck fighting even a single rager though

4-5 hits to kill a bruiser with diagonal lights

[crisp oak]

Yikes

It takes 4 lights to kill 2-3 crushers

[sleek garden]

I mean unpowered

[crisp oak]

Ah

[fleet drift]

Need advice on how to build an infantryman lasgun

Is it good an a Sniper rifle?

I like the scope a lot

[warm bolt]

From what i got yeah you basically snipe anything you dont like

Elites, gunners, mildly threatening goons

I wish it got it's cannon fire mode switch though

But as for the build what i was recommended is dump mobility, get ghost and headhunter

+25% for maniacs and +25% for flak armour

[fleet drift]

Is it good idea to use Deadly Accurate instead of Ghost or will I get overwhelmed?

[warm bolt]

Dont think im competent enough for that, sorry, but i do remember it being proposed as an alternative

[crisp oak]

If you hit heads it works

[heavy rover]

I recommend Ghost instead of Deadly Accurate. Especially for Havoc. With the mk iid in particular, the faster fire rate helps with keeping Ghost up

[sleek garden]

Definitely take ghost

Go way down the left skill tree

You need insane amounts of headshot damage

I use flak and elite to one shot scab gunners

[crude fiber]

If you run maniac and unyielding with headhunter, deadly accurate on a marksmans focus build you can 1 shot anything in the game outside of crusher, maulers, and bosses. Need the crit for reapers

Bulwark will barely survive I think

[pallid mango]

300 yellow health xD

[sleek garden]

this looks like a moba screen

[crude fiber]

1 overhead will still eat it all though lol

[pallid mango]

try out recon one. its very fun

[sleek garden]

goodness gracious

This is legendary

But not necessarily

[crisp oak]

Plz dont lie to the newbies

[sleek garden]

With executor stance, you have no suppression, you can get rid of determined

[crisp oak]

They need grenade tinkerer with kraks

[sleek garden]

What

No

[crisp oak]

[sleek garden]

They need grenade regen

For frags

[crisp oak]

Yeah was joking

Just slow on the phone keyboard

[sleek garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1325525515708399637/image.png?ex=67875016&is=6785fe96&hm=54e08163e26b53af7a25e01659f2469777c33c097d4afdbc65845313635e3224&

[crude fiber]

Longshot is bad imo, don't need the share highlights for exe stance but can run it if you like. Don't recommend deadshot. Determined is not needed on exe stance. The 10% rending at 10 or more stacks is is meh but use it if you like

[sleek garden]

Here is what I use, not necessarily the best

[sleek garden]

longshot is good specifically for the inflas

but yes no Deadshot

[crisp oak]

No iron will is sorta rough

[sleek garden]

Probably not the 10% rending modifier for MF

Not necessary

[terse idol]

Hmmmm

[sleek garden]

it'll only help with carapace

[crisp oak]

Personally I would just go down the middle path

And take longshot as a 1 pointntax

[sleek garden]

he's looking for am inflas marksman

[terse idol]

What bps are even there for long shot with an ilas that blessings won't get ya?

[crisp oak]

I know

[crude fiber]

Are you saying it's good because of its reverse damage fall off?

[sleek garden]

This is left side skill tree stuff

[terse idol]

You can have better value going middle and then left for exe and mf

[sleek garden]

Yes, I like mowing down troopers from 20 feet away with bodyshots with the blue inflas

[terse idol]

Oh

If it's a marskmens focus build you're going for headshots anyways

[sleek garden]

it one shots after a certain range

[sleek garden]

Yes

[terse idol]

I don't think it justifies Longshot personally

[sleek garden]

it helps

20% damage isn't small

I use mine as anti infantry, I stand there and shoot tons of gunners shooters and specialists and as long as I can hit a head consistently I can't be killed

[empty root]

I posted the build already discussions over

[sleek garden]

Your build has no exy stance

they want a sniper build

[empty root]

You don't need exy stance to snipe

And hellbore is more of a sniper than inf lasgun

[crude fiber]

Oh I just noticed I replied to someone else and not the guy looking for a build, my b

[empty root]

Inf las is more a battle rifle

Ex stance is pointless in that voice of command exists

[sleek garden]

Let the other three voc veterans do that

[crude fiber]

Boring way to look at it

[empty root]

And trying to play as a true sniper in this game is a trap

[sleek garden]

in fact why even bother trying to play anything other than plasma gun and voc and duelling sword

[empty root]

Everyone is a melee combatant first and foremost

[terse idol]

Well

Its 20% damage at maximum range

[viscid sparrow]

btw, which Recon las would you guys take for a Exy Stance crit-focused build?

I know that Shock Trooper gives the free shot per crit chain, which is why I'm asking about this, because otherwise I would just go for mk12 recon (the very fast firerate one) because of its dps alone...

[empty root]

You can literally play any ranged and melee weapon with voc

[terse idol]

Starting at like what is it 8 or 12 meters

At 1%

[crude fiber]

Blue fast one

[terse idol]

OR LOWER

[empty root]

You can not take voc if you purposefully want to make yourself worse I guess

[viscid sparrow]

so mk12, good to know...

[terse idol]

Like the things you're shooting with Longshot

Will just die with a headshot anyways

[sleek garden]

True

[terse idol]

And the enemies sitting at maximum Longshot range are like

Snipers

[unreal nova]

But 4 1 brain cell VoC shouts in panic against boomers is funny though.

[terse idol]

There are better things like back for blood even

i will admit to being wrong though

[burnt stump]

How do I properly use Infiltrate

[terse idol]

Long shot even in its best case doesn't seem good

[sleek garden]

People tell me that it's better, I think it's definitely better if you are primarily melee

[burnt stump]

Also how long do I have to talk to get image perms I have something very funny to post that happened to me

[terse idol]

With how ilas is built like

[sleek garden]

With veteran I'm always trying to shoot and when someone gets close I just parry with the devils claw

[terse idol]

You just gotya talk enough to get the red name

[sleek garden]

But I think I will try maniac on my inflas though

[burnt stump]

I figured a lot of servers do that

[sleek garden]

My one shot on ragers is unreliable

[burnt stump]

Hopefully this one isn't excruciatingly long

[empty root]

Rescue downed people, do objectives, escape sticky situations, pop a dangerous specialist at ranged when your swamped in melee

[terse idol]

Its like because most ilas builds are running like HH and Ghost

[burnt stump]

Cool thanks

[sleek garden]

Can you try it in #darktide-pics-vids

[burnt stump]

Nope

Tried that already

[sleek garden]

Darn

[terse idol]

You can't post until you posted enough message to automatically get the red name

Naturally a precaution against raids

[sleek garden]

I liked to use infiltrate to run straight to groups of enemy shooters and start swinging

[burnt stump]

I know

[terse idol]

[sleek garden]

It suppresses them so they won't fight for a moment then try to melee

[burnt stump]

Majority of the servers I'm in have the same security measure

Anyway Voice of Command is goated I hope everyone agrees

[dry cloak]

Voc is for people you cant melee

[sleek garden]

Nobody uses anything else

[burnt stump]

Veteran ngl, best and easiest class to play

[sleek garden]

I don't think anyone is arguing

[burnt stump]

I noticed

That or people don't use the wall hacks one

[dry cloak]

i dont use voc

infiltrate all the way

[sleek garden]

I like exy stance to shoot people but I have played vet more or less the same way since the game came out

[wanton dawn]

You don't

[sleek garden]

I've tried all the different styles though

[faint beacon]

Is the best class at an overall average

Basically perfect jack of all trades etc

The actual best class in the game is psyker cause a good psyker can straight up shut down a server

[sleek garden]

psyker outkills everyone because they have a meter that blows themselves up so they get a massive boost to compensate

Ogryn is like

Unkillable if you aren't stupid

[burnt stump]

I think people just forget to use Stance

I've seen people use Infiltrate but rarely

[sleek garden]

If you play right you cannot lose exy stance

[faint beacon]

That’s incredibly situational to be fair but if a horde spawns

Absolutely yes

[sleek garden]

Yeah you're right

[faint beacon]

Ogryn is insanely unkillable

[sleek garden]

When there's 4 shooters ogryn loses 200 HP if there's nobody to punch

[faint beacon]

They get caught out by shooters in an open area

It’s so fucking over

[sleek garden]

Dude every time I'm not playing veteran it feels like nobody is dealing with mobs of shooters and it drives me crazy

I either use rumbler or ripper gun

Rumbler maybe staggers a couple then they keep shooting

The ripper has zero suppression

[faint beacon]

Using rocks on shooters is justified if they’re pissing you off that much

That’s my take

[sleek garden]

But nobody else has to deal with them

Zealot literally farms toughness by dodging

[fierce walrus]

I've only used infiltrate to low toss grenade without losing steaith

[sleek garden]

Infiltrate can be awesome used well

But most of the time you also have voc vet and book zealot

[warm bolt]

Is braced autogun/regular autogun worth using in havoc and if yes how?

[sleek garden]

So far, I can't justify using my favorite autogun in it

But braced auto has good suppression i suppose

[crisp oak]

The main issue is ammo

[faint beacon]

Not really tbh

[wanton dawn]

I dont think autogun are cutting it for high havoc

[faint beacon]

I’ve noticed the Vigilants have good ammo Econ

That’s kinda about it

[sleek garden]

I think it's pretty sad that weapons just become unusable in havoc

[faint beacon]

They’re mediocre

But good ammo Econ

[crisp oak]

They also look cool

[sleek garden]

I've stopped playing it because weapons I like aren't helpful

[sleek garden]

I cannot make them work

[crisp oak]

My havoc build is just plasma, psword

[sleek garden]

At least the burst variants

They just feel so bad

[warm bolt]

Aw shit

[faint beacon]

Agri IX is objectively better than the III

[warm bolt]

Wanted to try something new cause plasma started to feel funky

[sleek garden]

If you miss the head you shoot a dude in the chest 10 times

Nothing

[faint beacon]

The Vigilants gimmick

[burnt stump]

I know

[faint beacon]

Click on head or suffer

[wanton dawn]

I wanna try bolter but i fear for my ammo eco

[sleek garden]

yeah

[burnt stump]

Recon Lasgun+Stance+headshot=kill everything that has two legs

[sleek garden]

Even then hitting a 3 round burst on a maniac with 2 shots landing on the head won't kill

This isn't a rager this is like

Flamer

[faint beacon]

In havoc?

[sleek garden]

I bet bolter vet is pretty good for havoc

[wanton dawn]

In h40

[burnt stump]

Also why does Tox Flamer and Rager and Mutant have "Maniac" armor

What is that

[faint beacon]

Incredibly risky but possible

[empty root]

Bolter is a nice alternative to plasma

[faint beacon]

You just need a REALLY good melee and shredder spam

Mainly cause your Bolter will nuke bosses

[empty root]

Bolter and plasma are pretty similar ammo economy no?

[burnt stump]

In my opinion I'd use the pistol over the gun

[wanton dawn]

Stop using bolter to kill boss ffs

[burnt stump]

Could I ask why

[empty root]

Boss damage is such a meme

[burnt stump]

I don't just want to know

[faint beacon]

Can’t hear you over the Dreg champion who’s nearly dead after 1 mag

Loser!

[empty root]

Controlling the horde is more important

Once adds are down boss is trivial

[burnt stump]

Just use melee

[wanton dawn]

One: shooting boss in h40 is a waste of precious ammo

[burnt stump]

And Krak Grenade

[wanton dawn]

Two: ps and kraks are better at it

[burnt stump]

And the Stun Rod

[wanton dawn]

Three: ads bolter

[sleek garden]

keep saying this mid mixed horde with beast of nurgle at 2/3 rds hp

[burnt stump]

Stun Rod best melee weapon

[faint beacon]

Counter argument abusing Surv near your team to stock u ammo

Now obviously don’t go wasting ammo a shit ton

[sleek garden]

I cannot stand havoc beast of nurgle

Most infuriating boss

[faint beacon]

But you can be a little bit generous

[warm bolt]

So take bolter, PS and kraks?

[sleek garden]

If you have a bolter and power sword why not have frags

[warm bolt]

[sleek garden]

Kraks will only do one thing for you at this point and it's deal with bulwarks immediately

[faint beacon]

If you’re looking to be ammo efficient as humanely possible run Recon

[wanton dawn]

I prefer bolter as an elite/special killer

With exe

[grand perch]

clears throat in helbore

[sleek garden]

In this way why not inflas or

Yeah helbore

[heavy rover]

I prefer infantry lasguns for more ammo efficiency

[faint beacon]

Which in turn you usually get refunded 1/2 bullets so you’re usually in a net neutral

[sleek garden]

But aiming the helbore kinda sucks

As a helbore liker

[faint beacon]

Usually

[burnt stump]

Recon Lasgun for maximum accuracy and damage

[sleek garden]

accuracy?

[wanton dawn]

Cuz ilas has a shit non-ads

[heavy rover]

I want to like the helbore but the time to draw it out is rough

[sleek garden]

But you take exy stance

[burnt stump]

Gun with essentially zero recoil can hit anything if your eyes are good enough

[faint beacon]

That and it’s suppressed accuracy and aim is a bit difficult to control

Without Determined

[sleek garden]

Isn't it weird that suppression really only affects the guns nobody wants to use anyway

everyone is taking either plasma or revolver or bolter

[grand perch]

lots of people want to use ilas, its iconic. they just stop bothering after that novelty wears off and move on to meta stuff

[dusty hedge]

it's weirder that they even have suppression now that gunners instantly kill you. It's basically a completely meaningless mechanic now

[sleek garden]

havoc is not the premiere mode

[faint beacon]

It’s a meaningful mechanic

Forces repositioning

[grand perch]

nah i just shoot through suppression

[sleek garden]

Sometimes you actually hear the voice lines of your characters being suppressed

It surprises me

[sleek garden]

I mean doing this suppresses them back

[faint beacon]

“I’m karking pinned!”

Both suppression

Enemy and Your Own

Are incredibly meaningful

It just gets glossed over

[sleek garden]

Shredder autopistol is actually really good for specifically suppression and maniac

[hollow ibex]

A bunch of enemies are immune to suppression though

[regal bramble]

Good primary?

[tame lodge]

[sleek garden]

reapers, shooters, gunners, groaners can all be suppressed and are like 1/3rd of enemy forces

Shotgunners are miserable without ghost though

[tame lodge]

Knife, power sword, Rashad Combat Axe, dueling sword

[regal bramble]

Gun bubba

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I mean it’s helpful to some degree to suppress a fraction of the enemies on the screen

But the ultimate suppression remains

Death

https://tenor.com/view/theoden-bernard-hill-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-death-gif-5498874

[sleek garden]

this guy runs at the firing reaper and says reapers are stupid

[dusty hedge]

pop out of cover for the .3 seconds it takes to try to suppress the gunline and get instantly deleted, great plan