veteran-class

[crisp oak]

like 60k damage

[empty root]

control the crowd after that the boss is trivial

[crisp oak]

instantly

[hollow ibex]

krak boss damage is pretty funny

[terse idol]

Its like when you don't have boss damage is when you want boss damage tbh

[unreal nova]

3x buffed twinned kraks.

[empty root]

its a gimmick at best

[hollow ibex]

lmao

i don't get this hateboner against kraks

[terse idol]

I read that as twinked kraks

[hollow ibex]

of all the things in the game you can choose to hate

[crisp oak]

correct it is a gimmick

[hollow ibex]

why die on this hill

[terse idol]

My brain is rotted

[crisp oak]

one that exists

unlike smokes

[empty root]

because, like I said in high level play they are useless when you consider what shredders do

[hollow ibex]

wrong

[terse idol]

Smokes is still useful let's be real

[unreal nova]

It just needs less of a delay tbh.

[crisp oak]

shhh I'm making a point

[toxic leaf]

you take kraks and fireteam because you want to spend 2 points doing something else, its pretty simple

[hollow ibex]

that's a pretty good reason to take krak

[empty root]

no

[hollow ibex]

and if you're going infil

[crisp oak]

I take kraks with my infil

[empty root]

giving up shredders is not worth 2 points or "boss damage"

[hollow ibex]

pathing shredders is expensive

[hollow ibex]

like i said, hate boner

someone krak your dick before?

[empty root]

I tried man

[hollow ibex]

there's a lot of value to saving a point or two

[toxic leaf]

he has ptsd of krak nades ruining his havoc runs

totalyl ruined

[empty root]

I used kraks a lot, never at any point was I like "im glad i have kraks" and I am always "man i sure wish i had shredders right now"

[hollow ibex]

rip gloriania true survivor run 😭

[empty root]

I have never seen a krak grenade thrown in havoc

[crisp oak]

I have, it was a... slightly unoptimal build though

[unreal nova]

I have never seen a grenade in high havocs lul.

[crisp oak]

infil no survivlist

[crisp oak]

shredders you sometimes just don't notice tbh

things just start bleeding

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's fair

[toxic leaf]

im about to blow your mind here but it is in the realm of possibility that people will choose different, less strong builds for non havoc play and then play a more havoc specific build

[hollow ibex]

smoke you'll notice though

[unreal nova]

Is more the joke of only psykers and zealots.

[crisp oak]

I figured

[unreal nova]

And most zealots path knives.

[empty root]

if you wanna take kraks to personally hamstring yourself then sure

[crisp oak]

the only nades I actively notice are kraks, immo nades, oggy nades

[hollow ibex]

immo nades tend to elicit the strongest response from me

OH SHIT I'M ON FIRE-- oh wait

[empty root]

krak grenade is a challenge for the team to kill the target before your grenade detonates

[unreal nova]

XD

[empty root]

same as brain burst

[hollow ibex]

you really just have to target better

don't krak the crusher about to be deleted by the DS zealot

[empty root]

I know how to target kraks

[hollow ibex]

clearly not

[toxic leaf]

son i take kraks so i can play agile engagement weapon specialist, its pretty simple

[hollow ibex]

if you did, this wouldn't be an issue lol

[toxic leaf]

your autistic BUT MUH EFFICIENCY is kind of hilarious

[empty root]

generally if its a lone target that the team notices, its a bad krak target

[unreal nova]

I mean, if it gets ppl to notice said crushers...

[empty root]

I am not saying its an issue for me its just a joke about kraks

[hollow ibex]

sure lol

[wanton dawn]

I sense some faithless behavior in this chat rn

[empty root]

I generally saved kraks for the conga lines of crushers

that show up mid fight

if you get really lucky you might kill 3 or 4

[unreal nova]

You want shouty waving holy symbols in your face?

[empty root]

also bulwarks that arent being delt with and are in your face

but again all these problems can be solved with shredders too

[wanton dawn]

My face is my shield

[odd sparrow]

Yeah bulwarks are prime krak targets because they block your ability to shoot enemies behind it

[unreal nova]

???

[unreal nova]

I only understand that is related to ultra-stus.

[crisp oak]

its a dreadnought I think dow1???? voice line

that says my faith is my shield

and it sorta sounds like face

[unreal nova]

Yes, but that picture.

[crisp oak]

that is from a russian badger video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h67R-sfff9g

[unreal nova]

Oh.

[crisp oak]

[wanton dawn]

its a pun on faith

[unreal nova]

Oh, Ebil explained.

[wanton dawn]

Tbf I did not quote a youtuber

I just like pun

[crisp oak]

yeah its a common pun

I prefer the gw motto

[unreal nova]

This is just IRL though.

[crisp oak]

yeah

[wanton dawn]

I broke it

[pseudo fiber]

ohhh dropped it

[warm bolt]

Hadron will fucking obliterate you

Didnt you hear, "treat the weapons with respect for they are the will of the Omnissiah made manifest"?

[warm bolt]

This is how models looks like if you drop them in glue actually

[wanton dawn]

Am not sorry

[fading yarrow]

If I die in a non-Auric it won't break my Auric Maelstrom streak, right?

Current Maelstrom's bad and I've got an hour to kill

[hollow ibex]

for ASS?

[fading yarrow]

Yeah

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's fine

[fading yarrow]

Sitting on 4/5

[hollow ibex]

you can even play normal auric

[fading yarrow]

Sweet

[hollow ibex]

though that's different if you're going for auric exemplar

[fading yarrow]

Nah I already have AE

[sleek garden]

good lord

i just saw an ogryn named death slab for cutie

incredible name

i tried to say something but he left from the mourningstar as i was typing

[thorn lark]

That's a very cultured ogryn

[earnest sand]

is there a free moebian set for the veteran?

[calm shard]

yeah

[serene bough]

Hadron's not going to be happy

[scenic ginkgo]

Recon Lasgun is uh

Pretty strong eh

Just ran Auric Gloriana and I don't think I actually took melee damage more than like twice

[fading yarrow]

I was under the impression that if I leave a match while downed that it counts as a Death and ends no-Death streaks

Or is that just for Havoc?

[grand perch]

so i just won a havoc 40 with exec and MF on ilas

just died embarassingly once to a single surprise rager

[terse idol]

Iiirc yeah they changed it in a recent patch

[hollow ibex]

yeah the age of cheese is over

[scenic ginkgo]

There is a new age of cheese tbh

Dying on purpose instead of going down prevents loss of True Survivor

[fading yarrow]

I got to the end of Auric Maelstrom Archivum Sycorax (4/5) and got downed while trying to save my team from their bad positioning
Closed and relaunched the game, still have my 4/5 progress

[scenic ginkgo]

So people are throwing themselves off the map

Or just letting a crusher bonk them

[fading yarrow]

I'm on Series X and I closed the game almost immediately after I got downed, if that impacts how I kept my streak

[terse idol]

Rip

[arctic rampart]

really? but people stil leaving when they go downed 2m in

[hollow ibex]

prob rage quit

[fading yarrow]

Honestly I have done this penance way too long to feel bad about cheesing it, especially after reaching 4/5 without cheese. I ain't losing it to my teammates frolicking out in front of three Snipers and six Maulers

[scenic ginkgo]

That's kind of the point of the penance though

You managed to get through all of the potential bullshit 5 times in a row

I lost mine when I was after it at 4/5 because my teammates shot a barrel

And it sent me flying off the map

When you adopt the mentality of "shit happens" in Darktide

You get less frustrated

Because sometimes shit does happen, and it isn't your fault

[unreal nova]

Is as bad as 9/10 Auric Examplar when you get an oggy that downs like 2 times in a row within 10 seconds, and you had to manually pick them up so there was no fire.

[scenic ginkgo]

But you can be the one that suffers from a teammates misplay

[wanton dawn]

The most impressive part is your mates accepting you

[scenic ginkgo]

Such are the consequences of playing a team game

[scenic ginkgo]

I mean if you need a good team

I don't mind running with you, I'd say I'm at least competent

Got my true survivor, havoc 40 and auric storm survivor with some good old fashioned elbow grease

[latent parcel]

Im just glad u accepted my charge zealot.

[scenic ginkgo]

Charge Zealot is a good pick tbh

[wanton dawn]

I mostly dont care that much

[scenic ginkgo]

Its just not quite chorus

Still strong af

[latent parcel]

[unreal nova]

For me, the day I down in h40 is the day everyone else doesn't do down.

[scenic ginkgo]

I play Ogryn, it's almost impossible for me to get into a lobby without putting true survivor title on

[unreal nova]

I'm basically making a bet on this.

This assumes a completed run.

[scenic ginkgo]

@unreal nova are you still going for true survivor?

[unreal nova]

Yeah.

[scenic ginkgo]

Or you have it?

Check dms

[unreal nova]

Need it still.

[latent parcel]

charge knife zealot does more for me then chorus does i aint clutchin with that book

[wanton dawn]

I could run a few later. If am not too tired

[latent parcel]

i got gym soon so i problay wont be on

[scenic ginkgo]

You can't play Darktide and be a functioning member of society

That ain't allowed

One or the other man

Gotta pick a lane

[latent parcel]

damit

[wanton dawn]

Well, he play knife zealot so idk about well adjusted

[latent parcel]

i play alot of things

knife zealot is my beacon build though

and nobody ran beacon

[wanton dawn]

Sounds even worse

[latent parcel]

😔

[wanton dawn]

Oh well, at least your not a 1700+ monobuild vet

[latent parcel]

i got several builds for zealot and vet rn

1 oggy and 1 psyker build because i suck at those classes

and i cant play vet with you because you suck down all the ammo!

[wanton dawn]

What can i say, i dont play lasgun

[fading yarrow]

Me seeing an ammo tin after emptying a single bolter magazine:

https://tenor.com/view/mine-finding-nemo-mine-mine-mine-thats-mine-lulugifs-gif-20827668

(My entire team's ammo reserves are on orange)

[sour chasm]

I just tag it for the rest of the team and if no one else picks it up then I'll take it, but I also don't use a bolter, I use the bolt pistol

[unreal nova]

Are you calling me out? Because DS4 is just havoc things.

[distant scarab]

So I've looked at the pins for Plasma Rifle CR, but I'm not quite understanding. Would it be correct to say that 73% CR is optimal?

[wanton dawn]

No, i called him out

[unreal nova]

Well, is more of a, I also run that thing, just not in havoc.

[wanton dawn]

Well, guess you are identifying as a knife zealot

[unreal nova]

And a knoife vet.

[wanton dawn]

Eww

[unreal nova]

Psyker is Illisi though.

Mostly knoife vet.

Knoife and big booms.

[grand perch]

i feel called out

but only monobuild on havoc until lately

[fading yarrow]

Shit, as they say, happened

The run is back to 0/5 and we goeth again

[unreal nova]

It's why I basically did the most boring thing of Until death Martyrdom zealot.

[wanton dawn]

Turn out some vet here played more than i did. Which is not surprising

[fading yarrow]

Man I wish I could see my actual level on console

[unreal nova]

Could just ask someone to tell you.

[wanton dawn]

Just ask ppl

[arctic rampart]

queue up with a master rc and your dream could come true easily

[fading yarrow]

That's not a bad idea

[unreal nova]

All I know is my vet's + rn is very nice.

Too bad in next game it'll go over.'

[arctic rampart]

damn the new outfit for vet is really bad.. but the pants are nice

[wanton dawn]

Sounds like a fomo problem

[arctic rampart]

wow the shop's getting better?

I sort of want to buy that and equip it when queue'n with pyskers

It'd be even better on my psyker but she's only level 8

[fading yarrow]

I'm in Strike Team 12 if any PC Master Racers wanna join (and maybe for Auric Maelstrom too 👉👈 )

[sleek garden]

I have decided after going between high havocs and auric maelstroms that i prefer auric maelstroms

i like having build variety

i want to use a devil's claw

[tame lodge]

Yeah that checks out

[grand perch]

im having unexpectedly much fun running only a few builds in havoc, whereas i was using a different build of 16 every game in mael/auric

[tiny valve]

Guys I need recommendations for what to take as my second perk on my duelling sword, I have to 25% damage to carapace enemies and I'm looking at taking something like sprint/block efficiency but should I go for more damage?

[hollow ibex]

block efficiency is a meme

take maniac

[tiny valve]

Alright cheers

[marsh shard]

Use it

Hold down block while you parry, it'll catch the strays when you parry mauler/crusher overheads when dealing with mixed hordes

[sleek garden]

no, in havoc its nearly useless on vet

you have to use wrath or it only hits 2 enemies

which won't even activte savage sweep

[trim steppe]

Sprint / block efficiency only go on curios, for weapons you pretty much always want %type damage

I think some knife builds take +stam and some other weapons might take crit chance, but that pretty much it. 99% of the time go damage type

For DS I'd probably go carapace and maniac? I'm no DS expert tho

[calm shard]

I have +stam and carapace on my knife

[fading yarrow]

Tfw last one to get downed in Auric Maelstrom but the match ended before I can properly Die so my progress doesn't reset

[hollow ibex]

i'm so glad havoc doesn't have something like this

imagine if true survivor needed 5 consectuve no deaths

[low shale]

@tall torrent sorry for the ping but is there anyone on YT you recommend for learning builds and stuff

If Jeficus, Tanner, and Mister E are out

[hollow ibex]

most of them are pretty bad

[low shale]

Is there any to recommend how is someone supposed to learn the game?

[hollow ibex]

at this point i only watch Ryken (makes some actually researched videos sometimes)

and telopots

[low shale]

If I have free time when I'm not at home

[hollow ibex]

telopots are mostly just streams, but sometimes he does guides that are very helpful too

there's also j_sat for gameplay, but he's mostly a VT guy

[low shale]

Is there crossplay with PC and PS5?

Trying to get someone to buy the game

[trim steppe]

Yes all matches are always crossplay

[low shale]

Awsome tysm

[trim steppe]

But you yourself can't play both interchangeably (sometimes on PC and sometimes on PS5)

[low shale]

Looked online and I wasn't getting a clear answer

Wait so can I friend him and play with him?

[trim steppe]

Yes

[low shale]

Thank goodness

Praise for the Emperor

[trim steppe]

If you own both a PC and a PS5 you have to choose one to play on cuz you can't connect your account to both. But you can play with friends on any system

[tall torrent]

no, I have a guide

check pinned here

[low shale]

Is it a video?

Im gonna still go look at it

[tall torrent]

no, it's a 100+ page word document

but it's very comprehensive

hope u enjoy reading

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[low shale]

[fading yarrow]

2/5, third match: Hab Dreyko, Ogryn fell off the edge of the second tiny bridge leading to extraction and a scab bomber naded us while rescuing him. We were body blocked on all sides and got mobbed to death

https://tenor.com/view/smh-kermit-kermit-the-frog-muppet-muppets-gif-467850616214781464

Taking a break but I'll be damned if I don't reach at least 4/5 tonight

[sleek garden]

i was last man standing in a havoc 40 with a dclaw against a scab captain

i couldnt break his shield despite nonstop attacks and parries

[calm shard]

devils claw single target damage moment

[woeful oak]

Wrath or sunder for power sword?

[fading yarrow]

Slaughterer

[odd sparrow]

sunder or brutal momentum.

brutal momentum for horde clear. Sunder for rager/mauler packs

[fading yarrow]

Imagine if we don't get the portable hotshot lasgun this year

Imagine if it's a Primaris bolt rifle

[tame lodge]

Sunder
It's basically better than Wrath

[real sorrel]

Hey nerds, are there any specific breakpoints you can hit with the Helbore las via the +25% perks that are meaningful? I usually use the medium/light helbore with + unyielding and +cara/maniac

[terse idol]

You can probably hit up +flak instead of unyielding

I don't have the guide open with me rn

[real sorrel]

Yeah I figured +flak is general sentiment but I don't have any issue killing normal nerds. Unless that brings the uncharged hits to 1shots?

[sleek garden]

couldnt even get skullcrusher value out of it

it has no duellist capabilities unless you play zealot

well thats not true

it has a parry

it might be the most duellist weapon in the game

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

I just claimed the Havoc weekly cache and it didn't prog the Penance or give me the resources

[tall torrent]

Maniac
Elite for mk3a
Unarmored for mk5

[fading yarrow]

Pardon me frens
In y'all's opinion, is this Maelstrom easy or hard?

[calm shard]

it's really fucking annoying that's for sure

[narrow frost]

easy

[sleek garden]

wave of muties with poxbursters means grabbed into instant kills

yes

but if you kill them fast its normal

[calm shard]

if people pull their heads out of their asses and remember muties/hounds take triple melee damage

instead of mindlessly shooting them

it's p easy

[sleek garden]

the swords i like take way too long to kill them either way

[tame lodge]

It's really peak for Scriers Smite

[calm shard]

have you tried liking better weapons

[sleek garden]

yeah

i dont really like power sword

i kept trying it but i hate moving like a slug

[calm shard]

yeah I don't like it much either

I ended up sticking with combat axe/knife most of the time

occasional heavy sword when using guns with good armor pen

[sleek garden]

i always end up going back to devils claw

i also like the antaxe combat axe

the achlys is a very interesting axe

assault chainsword seems fine

kinda weak against carapace still

chainaxe is fun

[final charm]

Assault chainsword vs carapace is like rubbing a razor blade on a trash can

[dusty hedge]

does Brutal Momentum work on Havoc? Or should I change it to Wrath?

[tame lodge]

Sunder

[dusty hedge]

okay then

[calm shard]

I don't see why it wouldn't

sunder is safer, but brutal momentum kills hordes faster

[dusty hedge]

I heard about Havoc increasing enemy hit mass scaling so you need tremendous amounts of Cleave to cut through hordes

[calm shard]

doesn't really come into play with power sword too much since it already has so much cleave

but it can help

[tiny haven]

More cleave

I want to hit the entire room

[calm shard]

especially with mixed hordes that have ragers and stuff in them since Sunder makes swings ignore cleave blockers like bulwark shields and carapace

[sleek garden]

just had this mission where i died because my teammate didnt push a burster (i was too far away to push) and i watched him get hit from behind 3 more times by bursters and he just didnt react to the sound each time

zealots can afford to be so stupid with that thing that lets them not die

[unreal nova]

@latent parcel Dat you? Lul.

[latent parcel]

YES

h40 karien!

i just had a sick h40 triple clutch with my tactical axe zealot. was alota fun

[unreal nova]

On gremlin vet. Basically lvling 2 ppl up in malice.

USW server.

[latent parcel]

260 ping?!

[unreal nova]

Yes, and?

Wanna join in the pain?

[clear sparrow]

Me and @hard merlin levelling new operatives. Promise we're not noobs

[latent parcel]

Im good! doing 40's 😦

[unreal nova]

Ah.

[latent parcel]

malice sounds sooooo 😴

[hard merlin]

I’m not a noob just stupid

[clear sparrow]

Untrue

[hard merlin]

Rock 🪨

[unreal nova]

But you gotta take care of 2 cats running around and a half asleep gremlin.

And if you want, can crank it higher, if you are up for HARD carrying, lul.

[fading yarrow]

We cleared
My entire team died right before the final room and I spent a solid two minutes running away from a simultaneous swarm of bursters, mutants and dogs until I was able to shout and book it to the airlock

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-loud-scream-muppet-gif-15916202

[sleek garden]

my unwise veteran teammate who brought frags managed to run off in the complete opposite way in the flow control event

and then my zealot teammate went to go get him and they both died

[latent parcel]

i got a few friends playing right now 😔

[sleek garden]

and then me and my other teammate go flamed and gassed in a sea of bruisers

if only people stayed close

[fading yarrow]

Coincidentally, that is similar to how my team died in this instance

Zealot buzzed off all aggressive, got himself thrown onto a railing, teammates died to nets, bursters and tox flame trying to save the zealot

[orchid hemlock]

True survivor

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

@tall torrent

lvl 40 havoc

[fading yarrow]

It takes a special sort to stop and type out a paragraph mid-horde when a man is down and when everyone else has gone ahead

[tall torrent]

Did y’all get lucky with spawns or smth

[orchid hemlock]

Nope, this was PUBS

Was puss harden and blight

In manufactorum

[tall torrent]

How come the damage is so low

[orchid hemlock]

i am the damage

[tall torrent]

2 psykers with 500k seems very strange

[orchid hemlock]

im goated ig

[tall torrent]

Congrats

[orchid hemlock]

i think everyone wa splaying safe

[fading yarrow]

I have clawed my way back up to 3/5

Good 'nuff

[orchid hemlock]

i gotu fam

put me in

[fading yarrow]

I would but it's almost 20 minutes past 10 pm lol, gotta be getting ready for bed

Are ya maybe free tomorrow night?

[orchid hemlock]

idk 🤷🏻

prob

[fading yarrow]

Fair enough

[crude fiber]

meming with hotshot helbor so i dont need savage sweep. skullcrushers or shred?

[fading yarrow]

Skullcrusher imo

[unreal nova]

Is fine, we stopped now. I'm probs going to nap now, lul.

[austere mica]

You should be running shred rampage normally

Dclaw needs crits to help it’s shitty adm’s

[sleek garden]

psyker slid directly into a trap to end the run

[crude fiber]

it happens, were they playing badly before hand or just fucked up at the end?

[sleek garden]

no they were just spamming staff and then running around with kniife

it was working fine he just ended up the last one alive because it was monstrosities specialists

but the thing was he started typing shit in the chat after

i blocked him because he said "nice damage btw" after calling us all shit

anyone who is moronic enough to start talking off scoreboard mod in a game that lasted 5 minutes should burn in fire

[crude fiber]

ah always block toxic people.

[sleek garden]

i dont want to play zealot hammer right now but nobody in my matches has boss damage for this maelstrom

[crude fiber]

anything can be boss damage if you shroudfield hard enough

[fading yarrow]

"Nice damage btw"
Me, a console player who can't see:

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-reality-reality-can-be-whatever-i-want-infinity-gantlet-avengers-end-game-gif-13852128

[calm shard]

mn devils claw is so fun but having to fight any melee elite that isn't a rager is miserable

takes an eternity to kill a mauler even

[sleek garden]

yeah

its sad

[tough tiger]

U use a gun for that tbh

[sleek garden]

true but close up my lasgun isnt helping much

[tough tiger]

Fury of faithful's rending helps

But its still a slog

[sleek garden]

okay but

if playing zealot

fury can one shot a crusher

[tough tiger]

Fury into a parry

[sleek garden]

yeah

[tough tiger]

Its gonna chunk your stamina tho so its not risk free

[sleek garden]

true

[tame lodge]

It's okay
Fury will still stagger stuff around you so you can recuperate some stamina

It also keeps you safe from non ogryns when chainsawing through stuff

[remote sonnet]

If you hit mauler body, Dclaw can kill mauler quite reasonably.

I use the mk7, a few light hit then a heavy do well vs most enemies.

[long condor]

should i go flak or carapace for recon lasgun?

[formal ice]

Hmmmmmmmmm flak

[long condor]

[terse idol]

Well

It is risk free if you perfect parry

unless furry of the faithful chunks your stamina

[faint beacon]

Furry of the faithful

[terse idol]

😌

[tough tiger]

10 blight puddles upon ye

[stoic thorn]

I need the combat shotgun to be buffed

This shit is so ass but is so fun

[scenic lintel]

Chorus of spiritual furrtitude

[tough tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/duke-nukem-doom-meme-bingus-cat-gif-20161410

[grand perch]

ExecUwUtioners stance

[scenic lintel]

There's no furr in that

[wanton dawn]

Everyday we stray further from the god emperor will, into slaneeshi den of depravity

May our veteran brethens resist the call of zealotry

[light ridge]

Unyielding, everything else dies fast enough

[oak gorge]

[terse idol]

Flak

Maniac or crit chance

[latent parcel]

You ready for my martyrdom charge evis or what

[wanton dawn]

It is litterally the start of my workday

[terse idol]

or well I should say

Flak + Maniac/Crit chance

[wanton dawn]

Am an euro-stan

It is 9h37 am

[latent parcel]

oh true

my sleep schedule is fucked right now

230 here

[wanton dawn]

Sounds like a standard sleep schedule

[light ridge]

Valid
I run Crit/Unyielding, kill bosses in 1 clip
Onslaught and 10% rending take care of everything else

[wanton dawn]

Anyhow, I am still too well integrated into society to justify DT rn

[latent parcel]

that cant be true

ur a 1700 vet with 1 build

[terse idol]

what are ya running to kill a boss in one clip?

[wanton dawn]

stop calling out me calling me out

[terse idol]

I'm out here running keystoneless recon with VOC and it ain't killing bosses that fast

[light ridge]

Most of the time I run https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9de21739-5824-41e5-855b-9ea7fd1f817b/veteran-infiltrator-3

It's not always 1 clip but gets close enough if I can position myself, Infiltration helps remove the aggro to stay on target

I also have a VoC version but can't find the link right now

[wanton dawn]

Unyielding without bring it down ?

[light ridge]

Don't have the points, and else I'd put it in grenade regen anyway

[terse idol]

No guner resistance?

Infil?

Honestly Imo you could just get rid of low-profile

For Bring it down with unyielding

If you're gonna base your build around having unyielding on recon, you may as well also take bring it down

[wanton dawn]

I won't propose point swap. I don't play chsword, recon or infil anyway

[light ridge]

Low Profile is why I don't need gunner resist

[terse idol]

Also no superiority complex

[light ridge]

It's not a perfect build by any means but it works for me

[languid estuary]

tbf you can get away with not having gunner resist on veteran

[terse idol]

I've been playing more recon before and I'm gearing up to play alooot more recon now

Pretty good

[terse idol]

it'ssss debatable

it makes your toughness last that much longer imo

[languid estuary]

it's probably still the best option but not taking it isn't unthinkable

[terse idol]

even with VOC you get into situations where you like, are regenerating toughness but don't have yellow toughness many times

[languid estuary]

on everything else not taking gun resist is terminally tannerbrained tho

[terse idol]

I won't start using someone's name to describe the inability to function proper

I just think every class benefits from gunner res

Incluuding vet

[light ridge]

I find I'm often the one pushing buttons, running cannisters, ...
So this build lets me do that while melting crushers, maulers and bosses well enough with the recon and ripping things with the chainsword in a pinch

[terse idol]

Like ahhh

I'm just not a fan of low profile because you're just kinda relying on the team to pick up your heat

That's probably my big gripe with low profile

[fluid escarp]

Ngl gunner res is less usefull now that they move, and you dont get beamed as often any more

[wanton dawn]

I don't go out without gunner or sniper resist cuz it is measurable 50% dmg reduction against enemies whose threat is their damage

[terse idol]

I'd probably argue it gets better

Especially when you hit havoc

[wanton dawn]

Also the trade-off are mostly QoL in my book

[terse idol]

I can't imagine how fast you'll delete without gunner res

[wanton dawn]

Well, twice as fast

[light ridge]

I think it provides value when you're able to deliver every single coolant cannister, or push every button while the rest of the team deals with the horde

[terse idol]

Imo, at least 1x sniper res is like in itself a breakpoint to just

Not get dropped if you do get hit once

😌

[fluid escarp]

I just run health, abil cdr and toughness regen

[latent parcel]

just dont get hit!

[terse idol]

this is a conflict however

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, only noob get hit !

[latent parcel]

^

[terse idol]

You're more than capable of delivering a canister or doing the puzzle in 1 use of infil

Low profile just means you're still dropping agro on your team even after infil is overrr

[wanton dawn]

I value my 3s CD reduction on shout more than 50% gunner resist anyway

[fluid escarp]

This

[wanton dawn]

sorry, 3.6s

[terse idol]

Personally not a fan of Combat Ability regen

[fluid escarp]

And with other cdr auras its cooldown is even lower

[terse idol]

I don't know if it sstacks like that

[wanton dawn]

Not against you to be clear. It is mostly against bad youtuber takes

[light ridge]

But can you get back to the team for the next one, drop some nades along the way, rez one of them, ...

[fluid escarp]

Cdr from elite/special kills is seperate

[terse idol]

They wouldn't need a res if you didn't have low profile

I'm not like

Suggesting you change

that's how I view low profile

[light ridge]

I don't agree from my experience with PUGs 😂

[terse idol]

Tactical awarness is certainly mandatory for anything with VOC

It's why I just value CDR less

[fluid escarp]

Also just use low profile to close the gap if needed

[terse idol]

Infil is your gap closerrr

Anything after that is dropping agro onto your team

[light ridge]

For Havoc I switch to the shout version btw

[terse idol]

VOC is regretabbly kinda mandatory for havoc it seeeems

[wanton dawn]

In any case, infiltrate is not the most favoured ult here. Besides objective and solo run it is an uphill battle to sell it to folks on thi chat

[fluid escarp]

This doesnt matter as long as you back it up in kills

[terse idol]

yeesss

I mean I think it's alright

Not that I have any data or anything just feels

[fluid escarp]

If it gives you the room needed its fine

[terse idol]

[wanton dawn]

If you use it like shout, it is a worse shout

If you dont then... it is more often than not a worse shout too

[fluid escarp]

True lmao

But tbh as long as you dont use it to run and hide its whatever

[terse idol]

Its got alot of utility

[light ridge]

I won't try to sell Infiltration, I like playing it
Gives me the opportunity to run objectives, drop aggro to get rid of that sniper or gun line, rez the overenthusiastic zealot, ....

[fluid escarp]

Daemonhost de aggro on stealth use flashbacks

[light ridge]

Decloak in the middle of the horde buys everyone time because now suddenly everything is suppressed

[wanton dawn]

Redirect aggro to the bolter mf exe stance vet

[terse idol]

I'm gonna keep saying things based on my opinion on it but

killing things and not dropping agro is also a way go buy people time

I'm just being mean

That's the issue

[wanton dawn]

yes

[terse idol]

Its cool it works for you though!

I claw at the meta tooooo much

[fluid escarp]

Just play taunt oggy with shield instead

[terse idol]

On the dueling sword... 5 grind

[light ridge]

It's fine
The decloak happens after I rez someone and I immediately drop a nade at my feet
So killing happens anyway

[wanton dawn]

I just started using duelling sword on my bolter build

Horde killing power is meh but I can sure dance around

[terse idol]

Hmm

Ohh yeah, same I'm tired but!
Yeahh, if I'm running a boltgun I run a horde clearing weapon to get the gap closer to what I'm missing fo sho

[wanton dawn]

I cannot get everything I want on bolter build

[light ridge]

Found the link for my VoC recon build
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9de3cc73-2731-464d-bf1b-ba0bf8d52a2e/veteran-recon-4

[wanton dawn]

Sacrificing trash killing power is usually fine cuz most rando have some form of it

So I just have to dance and kill priority target until someone decide to get out of shroud

[terse idol]

The power of teamwork

[frank ledge]

Is that a kobold

[grand perch]

Indubitably so

[frank ledge]

[elfin heath]

Hey I got a question for any vet main player is there a clutch smokescreen team recover build?

Seems like the perfect class to be capable

[odd sparrow]

Eh not really. Its usually better to play VoC and just stop your team from being downed to begin with

[pallid jetty]

on havoc? lmao no

everywhere else yeah

[supple stag]

Use Agripinaa with weapon spec and reload node

As substitute for revolver

[light ridge]

Then eventually realize it's just a slower bolt pistol

[unreal nova]

Basically that. I found out on my Zealot ages ago.

Get lethal prox and it basically does the job of the agri shotgun.

The only thing the shotgun has is more damage and super stagger on loaded specials, but that gets annoying.

[dry cloak]

Yeah as we all know combat shotties need some love

Or just say fuck it use them on auric damnation

[supple stag]

Full Bore + No respite

[unreal nova]

Full bore and the one that does more on repeated hits.

[dry cloak]

On aprip fullbore no respite. Also this shotty in particular has really noice range

[unreal nova]

Your slug shot will proc full bore easily.

[dry cloak]

And scatter shot is a safe bet

[dry cloak]

Even normal aimed shot proc it easily

With aprip

I just learned to aim center mass on longer distances without slug

[tame lodge]

Aim down sights

[dry cloak]

Flak maniac i would say

[tall atlas]

Can you gents recommend some blessings for the recon lasgun for me?

[unreal nova]

Had flak maniac as well. I wanna use it again but every time I do, I question myself why not just grab my BPistol instead.

[pseudo fiber]

Deathsplitter / dumdum
Dumdum / infernus

[unreal nova]

Dumdum and the burn one.

[tall atlas]

Appreciate it, gents

[unreal nova]

Long range flamethrower as the joke goes. Then you run closer and closer as they burn for more and more.

[tall atlas]

Any perks you like? Currently using flak and crit damage

[light ridge]

I run Unyielding and Crit
But I'm weird

[unreal nova]

Crit ain't weird.

[tall atlas]

Are the tiny ranged 6ths bois wearing flak or cara? I can’t remember if it was changed or not

[pseudo fiber]

Crit chance don't use damage

[light ridge]

Unyielding is

[pseudo fiber]

Crit damage and weak spot damage very bad

[wanton dawn]

I wanna like shotgun but it just doesnt cut it

[unreal nova]

Purely on zealot, but yeah. BPistol is just better on my vet since frag boomies.

[wanton dawn]

Also yeah, never take: crit dmg, weakspot dmg, groaner dmg

I guess infested is trash too

And stam too, just use curios

[tall atlas]

Alr, just picked it up so wasn’t sure what to put on it

[wanton dawn]

Then there is reload speed and i guess specialist dmg

[unreal nova]

You just need 1x+3 anyway. Will be enough on even knoife.

[wanton dawn]

I dont like crit% either but i cant call it bad

Well, i can but some ppl would fight me irl

[unreal nova]

Is mostly for shocktrooper inf ammo.

[wanton dawn]

The problem with crit% is that even on high finesse weapon, it is barely 5% dps increase unusable for bp calculus

[light ridge]

More crit chance = more crits = less ammo

[unreal nova]

Yes, but if you use no ammo for 5% more time...

[wanton dawn]

And recon finesse is rather poor so its sad

Oh well, i dont play recon

[unreal nova]

You hog less ammo and things are more balanced teamwise.

[wanton dawn]

The only good place for ammo is in my reserve

And out of my b... surv aura

[light ridge]

I also think crit increases damage by more than 5%, especially weakspot crit is decidedly more damaging on carapace than a regular weakspot hit

[unreal nova]

[wanton dawn]

I said dps not dmg

[unreal nova]

To be fair, you really shouldn't be gunning crushers.

[wanton dawn]

Crit dmg increase is not reliable for bp

[light ridge]

Why not? My recon melts them and it barely costs ammo as I crit them in the face

[unreal nova]

True. But situational, I guess.

[light ridge]

Not really, pretty reliable actually and with Onslaught I'm also making them softer for the rest of the team

[wanton dawn]

I would do math to calculate if carapace would be better

But i dont care

[supple stag]

Summon path for that

[unreal nova]

Is he even online for us to bugger him like that?

[light ridge]

Recon wants crit % , as much as possible, for ammo economy

[supple stag]

No idea, I only provide options

• do not listen to alcoholics

[unreal nova]

I see.

[wanton dawn]

I know how to calculate. I just cant be bothered

Opportunity costs are annoying

Plus ppl throw formula without vetting them

[supple stag]

Grab a drink and don't think about it

[unreal nova]

Is just luck based, some ppl prefer better chances.

[tall atlas]

Do all the Mks for the sapper shovel have the same base heavies or do they differ as well ?

[wanton dawn]

Like the crit string formula which handwave the fact that most ppl shoot in short burst rzther than continuous

[supple stag]

Mk3 differs, has overhead and then horizontal heavy

Only shovel that matters is Mk1 anyway, so whatever

[tall atlas]

Alrighty !

[wanton dawn]

Maybe i should push a recalculation for the string crit chance depending on burst lenght. Just to melt fools brain

Eh, too much work

[unreal nova]

I dunno. I just go by feel for things.

[supple stag]

I base my choices on alcoholic delusions

[wanton dawn]

Just take powerDI

[unreal nova]

Is like cooking.

[unreal nova]

Lazy.

[dry cloak]

I liked thw blue vet shovel

Im also selling a duped shovel

[supple stag]

Folding shovels feel a bit meh, Mk1 shovel is the goat

[wanton dawn]

You says that after handwaving

[unreal nova]

Wat, going by feel is being lazy.

I only argue more crit is a better gamble for some.

Till you hit 50% crit chance.

Then no point unless you go 100%.

[pseudo fiber]

Hell yeah it is

[light ridge]

Mk3 has good light and special but heavies are iffy
Mk7 has good light and heavies but special is designed to miss heads

[unreal nova]

This is just me playing too many minmaxy RPGs though.

[wanton dawn]

I am arguing that you can calculate it, which i am too lazy and uninterested to do.

[unreal nova]

Ah. Well, too lazy for this. But generally going to 50% is good enough.

You want at least 25% chance though.

Especially in relation to faster/multi-hit attacks.

[wanton dawn]

Can you even get to 25% without conditional buff ?

Best i can do is 20%

[unreal nova]

No clue. Like I said, info is more general use. It might be why ppl say run deadshot+dodge gives stam back.

I rather rely on other conditionals.

[latent parcel]

Karien the karry is ready to carry my martyrdom zealot in h40!

[unreal nova]

Nu. You get bonked. I'm not a carry.

[latent parcel]

Why!

How did ur games go

[unreal nova]

I just told you why, reeeeeeeeeeee

Babysitting lvl 5-9?

It was fine.

[latent parcel]

Lol

[unreal nova]

They aren't worse than the 19-27 we met anyway.

[latent parcel]

That's sad

Oh well

Wait you carried them didn't you?? Karien the karry!!!!

[unreal nova]

Cos they actually listen and do minigames?

Most pugs just basically want to watch someone with 280 ping play the rhythm minigame.

Good luck timing it while given like 5 secs to finish before you get swarmed again.

[wanton dawn]

Do you even sleep dude

Isnt it like, 3 am where you at ?

[latent parcel]

I just did

[unreal nova]

You are getting 30 primed kraks to the face. >_>

[unreal nova]

9pm in a min.

[latent parcel]

It's 7 now.

[wanton dawn]

Ww game

[light ridge]

Do any of you ever sleep?
You're always here when I am...

[latent parcel]

Played 1 game and had to go book zealot so I fell back asleep after that

[north pebble]

hello. is the PS charge still stopping when you get hit by groaners?

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[warm bolt]

Checked your walls lately?

[north pebble]

bruh. its been too long

[unreal nova]

The EU peeps question if I'm on their timezone often enough.

[latent parcel]

Karien where are you from?

[unreal nova]

Singapore. It's on my Steam account.

[light ridge]

I try to ignore the scratching but the voices are becoming very insistent

[unreal nova]

Is why I play with so much lag to EU and US.

[latent parcel]

That sucks 😦

[unreal nova]

I rather take the lag then let ppl deal with it tbh.

Then question why the dook does it feel like I'm dropping weights when pugging to be done.

[wanton dawn]

Honestly i only feel lag with minigames

[unreal nova]

Things actually die in 2-3 light attacks.

Not up to 17.

I can 2 shot bodyshot in emergencies.

Not 6-7 shots.

[wanton dawn]

Plus bosses are easier if you lag

[unreal nova]

Knoife panic tanking.

Comes out randomly with 0 damage. Confused.

But yeah, if I can't hit them, they can't hit me, RIGHT?

[latent parcel]

Exactly. Now ur getting it

[unreal nova]

It's basically a joke.

[latent parcel]

Lol

[unreal nova]

See CSpawn, see lone Mauler.

Panics more about the Mauler.

One I can block.

The other is insta down.

[latent parcel]

insta death in havoc

[unreal nova]

And they can hit me even while slide dodging.

While 3-5m away.

So more scary than the CSpawn.

Because lag giveth and lag taketh away.

[unreal nova]

I have 45% corruption resist and like 21+21+5+5+5hp bonus, will I still die?

I honestly don't know since I'm usually last one to die and am sitting on like 2-10 hp then anyway.

[latent parcel]

i think so yeah

[unreal nova]

And yes, I have +3 stam as the last.

[wanton dawn]

Imagine not dying instantly to crusher overhead in h40

Just zealot things

[unreal nova]

I am a zealot.

Why do you think 2 hp until clench.

[wanton dawn]

Well this is vet chat

[unreal nova]

And panicking when it's down.

[wanton dawn]

And i am the cranky gatekeeper

[unreal nova]

So grumpy old man.

[rugged bane]

Me watching the crusher overhead coming down at my head (I accidently dodged .2 seconds early)

[light ridge]

Or when you're sure you're out of range for it

[sturdy karma]

that’s what usually gets me

Or the occasional crusher from shroudfield with the backstab overhead

[unreal nova]

Double knoife back dash, on my screen is clearly far away. Server said, you down now 0.3 sec later.

Mind you, that's WS double back dodge.

You literally get flung back.

[light ridge]

Lol

With Dagger zealot or force sword Psyker I would just outslide poxbursters

[sturdy karma]

Momentum dagger zealot back dodge while running around is like your playing on an ice rink

I bac dodged down the stairs in chasm station and thought I’d die from fall damage

I got air

[unreal nova]

WS is still funni when the melee buff is running though.

[sturdy karma]

I love the melee nodes before WS it’s so noticeable when you try run a focus target build

It says 10% attack speed shit feels like 30%

[unreal nova]

Knoife means your finger hates you more.

[sturdy karma]

I love knife uncanny + lacerate you are like a running nail bomb

[warm bolt]

Havoc didnt count my progress i made yesterday

[sturdy karma]

Havoc is a mess after tonight I hate it and hate far shark servers

My first havoc 40 archivum sycroax end even waiting for the scroll thing to scribe and 3 people insta dc at same time - game over

[unreal nova]

Lacerate? LACERATE???

Starts ping spamming.

[sturdy karma]

Yeah it’s sick. When you drop a shredder + few slashes you max bleed cap everything

[unreal nova]

Just roll 20% twinned.

And roll whatever the heck is your knife crit rate.

[sturdy karma]

That is RNG reliant

[unreal nova]

Just throw 2 'nades.

With BPistol.

[pale sand]

The Value-Maxxing RNG Chad vs. The Virgin Lacerate User.

[low shale]

Is there anyway to use M&K on PS5

[loud belfry]

dont think so, looks like ps5 doesnt have it. xbox might have m&k support though

[pale sand]

Im pretty sure you can only use it to enter text unless you’re using a 3rd party software.

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/keyboard-mouse-ps5/#:~:text=How to pair a Bluetooth,Accessories > General > Bluetooth Accessories.

[loud belfry]

i think it's per game as to whether it works

you can definitely plug it in but whether a game will function with it is another question

[low shale]

Yeah I have My Akko and Razer plugged in rn but the company hasn't allowed M&K on PS5 Ig

[stoic thorn]

Why do I get less joy out of this game

[low shale]

Bored

Is this weapon good
Is there something I should change

Im more-so asking about the blessings and refinements

[toxic leaf]

for havoc 21+, what do i take on big bolter? puncture + ???

[pseudo fiber]

That's good

But I believe people use overwhelming power on force gs a lot since it works well with scriers gaze

However #psyker-class is your friend

[low shale]

Yeah Im in there rn

[pseudo fiber]

They do discuss the class over there

[crimson wyvern]

Can I know the purpose of the Accatran VIc?

Less ammo, less damage but more damage than torrent

like is it just way more accurate or?

[hearty panther]

much better accuracy, faster draw, faster reload

[crimson wyvern]

Ahhh nice

[delicate copper]

question: does "blaze away" and "rising heat" work together on the plasma gun?

[faint beacon]

Is it the heavy variant of the Recon?

[faint beacon]

Yes but it’s better to usually pair gets hot! Instead seeing the Crit damage is silly with plasma

[hollow ibex]

that's XIV, VI is the middle version

[dire olive]

See no one would ever be confused if we just used "green, blue, brown" instead of whatever Roman numeral/letter combo was pulled out the ass for a particular mark

[light ridge]

The fast one has the best TTK
The middle one has best reload and slightly better ammo economy than the fast one without too much TTK loss
The slow one is... I don't know why I would use it?

[calm shard]

the slow one has higher cleave

[light ridge]

Still uses more ammo and more time to kill things...

[calm shard]

well nobody ever said it was good it just has higher cleave

[faint beacon]

Cleave literally just means you can hit more collateral hits

Usually recommend against seeing it’ll encourage the bad habit of

Spray into groaner hordes

[wanton dawn]

wat

[hollow ibex]

It can be good but doesn’t scale well with infernus meta

[faint beacon]

Onslaught Infernus meta

You forgot that LMAO

Shit is so stupid

[hollow ibex]

Reminds me. I should make a meme onslaught build

https://tenor.com/view/why-shouldnt-i-keep-it-its-mine-i-found-it-i-want-it-bilbo-baggins-gif-22374768

[delicate copper]

@faint beacon thx

[empty root]

What's the actual proper use case of recon lasguns because they just feel like easy to use Vet guns to me. Are they supposed to be boss killers or horde clearers or what?

[crimson wyvern]

my guess is supposed to be horde clear with some boss DPS capability with the infernus blessing

is how they were designed

they're not bad at elite clearing but dumping lots of bullets into elites all the time like gunners gets old real fast

[empty root]

it feels very easy to use

easy to aim and kill

[light ridge]

It basically is one of the easiest guns to use since Reloaded patch
In my defense I already thought it was the best before the buffs

[knotty bay]

I'm new should I keep grinding recon or should I switch to plasma

[terse idol]

Delete every shotgunner/gunner with some ability to kill crushers

And the ability to also just shoot small bursts into gunners

[odd sparrow]

high ammo, pretty good accuracy, allows you to continously gun down gunners and shooters. With onslaught you can also deal decent damage against tankier enemies aas ell

[terse idol]

infernus let's you just do small bursts into ragers and they'll die seconds laterr

[terse idol]

I swear onslaught was mandatory for recon too

I'm running a keystoneless recon build rn

[odd sparrow]

plasma is definitely the meta weapon. But recon is basically ok

[terse idol]

I mean it's better than okay

It's also meta rn

[odd sparrow]

onslaught isnt mandatory imo but its quite nice being able to actually hurt crushers. And you might want some of the right side tree for crit or better stamina regen delay

[calm shard]

recon is arguably better than plasma in havoc because of better ammo economy

and infernus ignores pus hardened skin

[empty root]

Does it actually have better ammo econ?

when I use it I feel like I am slurping up ammo like a gunlugger

although I was doing MF penance

[terse idol]

With shocktrooper it conserves ammo on crit

And recon has alotta crits

[odd sparrow]

recon has crazy ammo economy especially if you have deadshot with shocktrooper

[terse idol]

Don't need to take deadshot

You'll kill your stamina

[empty root]

hellbore feels almost ammo neutral but I use a lot of ammo on recon

[terse idol]

Taking +% crit chance on the gun

[hollow ibex]

Recon has fantastic ammo Econ

[terse idol]

And +% crit chance in the talent tree nodes is more than enough imo

[odd sparrow]

i suppose you could do that

[terse idol]

Its why you don't run headhunter on recon now a days

[odd sparrow]

headhunter is just bad

[terse idol]

You won't feel the extra crits because recon crits that much i beliieve

[odd sparrow]

recon does not crit that much they lowered the crit chain to 2

[terse idol]

Yeah

But you get alot of crits

Even if the crit chain is only two like damn i wish I knew the math

But it's certainly why I'm running just 2 parts for extra crit chance without deadshot

[hearty panther]

you just want crits for infernus and shocktrooper procs

taking headhunter means giving up dumdum or infernus

[terse idol]

Yeahh

Before I knew better I had headhunter there

[hearty panther]

thats really all it is

[knotty bay]

I do enjoy the shocktrooper passive

[hearty panther]

it would be a different conversation if the vraks inf autogun had headhunter

cause thats a gun with actual good (great, actually) finesse values to take advantage of

but we dont actually care about the crit damage on recon, just what the crits proc

[wanton dawn]

I'd argue that plasma ammo problem are overestimated

It has bad gain from ammo drop, true.

[pale sand]

Plasma gun is probably the most ammo efficient gun of the whole bunch. But you will be hard pressed to run out of ammo on a recon las.

[long condor]

especially with crit is no ammo, ive ran through missions with like 300 left.

[odd sparrow]

ehh plasma is good for ammo econ but not the best. It was way better back when survivalist had no cooldown as 1 shot killing 2 elites/specials would litterally refund the shot

[crimson wyvern]

Plasma gun is great

Helbore Lasgun will always be the best for ammo tho

literally never need to pick up an ammo pack to keep firing that thing

[grand perch]

i swear mutants are the low-key run enders on havoc 40

throwing people about and disabling key members at inopportune times can be so damn costly in that mode

[crimson wyvern]

i feel like people even fairly newbie people are good at dodging mutants these days to worry about it too often

the frequency of mutants is a bit annoying

[empty root]

hellbore has way better ammo econ than plasma gun

[uncut pebble]

Only because of shock trooper.

[terse idol]

I've ran enough scab only no ammo pickups with helbore to officially say yeag

You can go the entire mission and be good on ammo

[empty root]

the problem with mutants and noobs is they dont understand they take 3x melee damage

and mag dump them

[uncut pebble]

Shrimply brute force the ranged damage by critting him in the face 14 times.

[empty root]

there are times to shoot them but with the right melee weapon its easy in many cases just to melee them

[crimson wyvern]

and the baby mutants in mutant waves mode that have even less health and even easier to melee

i wish they had a signifier

[empty root]

didnt know that

[crimson wyvern]

Yeah

Tho a team that doesnt address mutant threats like No1 tac Axe Enjoyer said, makes it very difficult

[empty root]

they are high up on my priority list for killing

[terse idol]

Huh I guess that makes sense, kinda how like in the hunting pack their doggies are smaller and they're smooth

[empty root]

all my runs everyone runs DS4 so they seem pretty trivial

especially as a zealot they feel like the defacto mutant killers

[crimson wyvern]

game is so situational but in order of things to kill in a room full of elites its probably something along the lines of

Dogs > Trappers > Snipers > Bombers (also pox) > Flamers > Mutants (dont really care about the rest here)

[empty root]

I put trappers before dogs

[crimson wyvern]

yeah those two are honestly interchangable

[empty root]

trapper>dog>flamer>bomber>sniper>gunner

if im playing vet

if im playing zealot I go for the mutants too

if I am playing ranged they arent a top priority because of the 3x melee they take

[crimson wyvern]

Poxbursters probably should have been on that list but dealing with them I feel like is such a nuanced thing

And I don't wanna see any "Just push them "

I get it. But in a game where seldom anyone ever communicates and if you're bunched up, knowing who has taken the role of pusher and a safe place to push them too is pretty difficult at times

sometimes you get 2-3 teammates that all went to push all together and ends up ballsing things up

[empty root]

poxburster it depends on the difficulty imo

on havoc 30+ i trust whoever is closest will get the shove

if im on a bad team on a pug I will either shoot or run away

depending on my kit

[terse idol]

Am I crazy, like I put dogs much lower I'm a
Flame grenadier>Pox grenadier >flamer>trapper> dog> elite gunners

Incind Grenades I feel like end most of my runs and makes revives impossible

[empty root]

flamers are more urgent than bombers imo

[terse idol]

Hmm

Yeah

I'd definetly look at my list again

[empty root]

trappers no 1 for me no exceptions

unless they already shot

[crimson wyvern]

Disablers should be pretty up there really above all else. Being one team-mate down completely from an otherwise healthy team-mate sucks, and that disable often turns into a one hit K.O

[empty root]

flamers, bombers and snipers are all area denial, and flamers are the most upfront and agressive in that

[terse idol]

With trappers I'm typically playing close enough with the team to instantly snap them back, however if you're even 15 meters away they become more priority for sure

[odd sparrow]

yeah disablers are super scary. Only thing close is sniper which is a pseudo disabler since that can just down players

[empty root]

bombers creep the area denail forward slowly, and snipers just hold their spot generally

[terse idol]

Dogs I've just managed to consistently be able to push them

[empty root]

so if you can hold cover against a sniper you are esentially pinned in your spot until the sniper is killed

[terse idol]

Oh no yeah

[empty root]

dog shove can be guaranteed if the player reacts and has the stamina, trapper net not so much

[crimson wyvern]

I put snipers pretty high because I feel like lots of people may be running stuff on their characters that can't actually adress a sniper. If you're team are running shotties / flamers / purge staff / smite staff its good to get them out of the weeds instead of assuming the team will get to it.

That's why snipers end up like 3rd on my priorities, cause often (espsecially as vet) you usually brought something that can pick them off pretty well. (Provided your team is clearing horde for you to focus for a moment)

[empty root]

can get caught on terrain, have it launch from the side/behind, caught on enemies

and in a net you can be meleed, dog you cannot

also you can free someone from a dog from far away

[light ridge]

Dogs have dropped in priority for me, block/push or dodge, try to shoot or whack it when the opportunity presents itself
Trappers, Flamers and Bombers are more urgent
I feel many wipes are due to a tox bomber that isn't dealt with

[terse idol]

With snipers I'm just in that "if I hear the shot I dodge even if i can't see it"

The flick

[faint beacon]

Danger zone as a mod is the exact reason why I’ve been more risky with burster plays cause I’d rather know there’s a silent burster or beforehand if my team is being idiots

[terse idol]

But i won't deny they're very good at pinning you down in a specific area if you're behind cover but also need to kill mobs

[odd sparrow]

fully agreed snipers and disabllers are basically same tier of priority in my head

[empty root]

its the combo that kills - pinned in a small area by multiple snipers while a bomber flushes you out

[crimson wyvern]

Yeah dogs are actually really chill honestly but still need to be dealt with. Used to suffer a bit, but the time window for pushing them seems really graceful. Sometimes I'm like "wow that push shouldn't have reached or connected or that was a wayyy too late push" and the dog still gets pushed

[light ridge]

Snipers combined with bombers/flamers kill runs

[empty root]

freeing someone from a dog is pretty trivial too

its generally a small corruption penalty for getting dogged

dogs are the bane of solo players

[long condor]

snipers have been my top priority not because of the aim or damage, but how you can get stuck on other heretics like maulers and crushers and get fucked.

[empty root]

but yea when shit hits the fan, its the job of a good veteran to ignore whats going on in their immediate surrounding and tag/kill the snipers and bombers asap

[light ridge]

Poxbursters are my bane, super easy to deal with in theory but they keep jumping me at the worst moments
Or I push them and the bugger just gets back up...

[crimson wyvern]

It's really unfortunate that the one enemy in the game that in higher difficulties completely nukes your health is the one enemy that also interactable by not just you but the entire team

then again, barrels as well I guess

[light ridge]

They restrict your freedom of movement and pin you down which gives all others the opportunity to finish you off

[long condor]

or those stealth bursters that get you hard

[faint beacon]

Net into sudden burster train

Gotta be an absolute favorite

[long condor]

any grab really

[terse idol]

I will say, that is itself a skill to identify

Pushed walkers on the ground you really just gotta take a step back do your shoulder checks for your team and shoot it

[long condor]

I hate doing pubs sometimes because 6/10 times one of my teammates will shoot a burster WHILE im pushing it

[light ridge]

That seems to have improved lately

[faint beacon]

The moment I see a burster get pushed and it doesn’t attempt detonation

[light ridge]

Or your teammate is behind you and you think they'll deal with and then they don't...

[faint beacon]

I immediately start shooting its legs to stagger it back away from everyone to kill it

[light ridge]

Bolt pistol with LP keeps them staggered too

[faint beacon]

I don’t trust BP stagger

[unreal nova]

Just don't shoot twice.

[faint beacon]

To many times it’s staggers them forwards

[unreal nova]

They go boom then.

[light ridge]

I only shoot when they're at a safe distance

[unreal nova]

Or just have 2 shout gremlins just shout at the same time to push 1 lone boomer, yes.

[long condor]

actual worst feeling when they dont explode

[willow spruce]

what's the dump stat on plasma?

[faint beacon]

I love

Desync

[empty root]

When I'm in a bad team I just fucking peace out when a poxburster is coming

Not my problem

[empty root]

There is a perfect combo of 69 and 71 of thermal resistance and charge rate

[willow spruce]

Nice

Ok, that will take ages to get, but game's gotta game

Time to toil in the zealot farm factory

[thorn lark]

Have you heard about my friend the silent trapper?

[formal ice]

Shield ogryns

[empty root]

Shield ogryn can shove all day

[formal ice]

No I mean the Feel No Pain keystone with Pained Outburst

It can literally save you from doggys

[tall torrent]

@hearty panther can u send me that Boltgun reload cancel vid again

I'm putting it into my guide

I'm just missing that for my Boltgun section

[tall torrent]

nvm I found it

[sterile tendon]

Anyone have a good starter braced autogun build that I could use? Please link them to me

I am level 18 in Darktide

[orchid hemlock]

This is a troll build, but at norms it should be fine:

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c4013c8-2411-40b7-b11b-d7dca0c52b62/healing-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[icy lance]

Anyone has a good build for a tactical axe on vet?

[sterile tendon]

As long as is it good for burst damage @orchid hemlock

[orchid hemlock]

No, next question