Mk7a (old name) is now XIV (14)
#veteran-class
tall torrent
remote sonnet
The only things I use old names for are the staff.
Confusion from name changing is quite something.
scenic ginkgo
Fellas, is this alright? Gonna give Vet a try
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ddb7df3-db69-444b-8299-d69da1456843/stormtrooper-3
From my knowledge of Vet this build should be p good
austere mica
Your knowledge of vet is flawed then
scenic ginkgo
It is very surface level but I can't really see any glaring issues?
empty root
It is very surface level but I can't really see any glaring issues?
Try an existing build and go from there
Mister e and jeficus have good recon builds on gameslatern
austere mica
DO NOT THE MISTER E
scenic ginkgo
I have no interest in Mister E
orchid hemlock
Mister e and jeficus have good recon builds on gameslatern
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
scenic ginkgo
He's basically Tanner with a mask on
empty root
He's basically Tanner with a mask on
Sure
orchid hemlock
Jeficus build still gives me nightmares
empty root
It's a starting point though
tame lodge
Jeficus
No precision strikes
tame lodge
remote sonnet
Keep Their Head Down is really not need for recon las. It shoots so fast that it already suppress everything.
austere mica
It's a starting point though
There is a reason we don't build houses on sand foundations
scenic ginkgo
Crit perk on recon las
I assume you mean lack of? I did note that
I have crit on mine
austere mica
I assume you mean lack of? I did note that
Its presence is bad
Take an armor type
You have headhunter
remote sonnet
I assume you mean lack of? I did note that
I think he means the crit chance node.
scenic ginkgo
Okay, time to start from scratch so we can grab all the relevant nodes
orchid hemlock
Use this for recon, might be a bit outdated tho:
remote sonnet
Above Infiltration ability.
empty root
This is my foundation for all builds
scenic ginkgo
This is my foundation for all builds
This also misses the two key nodes at the top no?
calm shard
how'd you get the ogryn to not do the undodgable upswing/combo
austere mica
No confirmed kill/close order drill
calm shard
just luck?
remote sonnet
I rather go with tactical reload most of the time.
orchid hemlock
This is my foundation for all builds
Nah this is actually like 50% of vet builds
scenic ginkgo
No confirmed kill/close order drill
I read what these two do and I basically assume that they are effectively "you are a silly goober if you do not take these nodes"?
empty root
This also misses the two key nodes at the top no?
Out for blood gives toughness on all kills
empty root
Confirmed kill is very good but I find in desperate situations I am killing pox trying to get back toughness
calm shard
Could you not in theory do both
you have to keep in mind that while the nodes up top are good
empty root
Could you not in theory do both
No. Spend minimum to get past F ability and spend extra points past that
austere mica
I read what these two do and I basically assume that they are effectively "you a...
yep
calm shard
every point you spend up there is less points you can spend in the MEAT of veteran down at the bottom
orchid hemlock
CK by itself isn't amazing, u take it because it is right next to COD
scenic ginkgo
I mean you can definetly dip at least 1 for COD no?
remote sonnet
I don't run confirmed kill on my havoc builds. Toughness is paper thin there.
orchid hemlock
I mean you can definetly dip at least 1 for COD no?
for recon, no
empty root
I mean you can definetly dip at least 1 for COD no?
No. If you want cod just grab cod and ck
calm shard
vet has 2 +25 toughness nodes down south
orchid hemlock
How is that not worth a 1 node dip
it is, i am saying u dont take it and go right on the tree
calm shard
also iron will
empty root
Pick one or the other it's personal taste
calm shard
out for blood is good
remote sonnet
Literally free 33% for existing
Btw, it is up to 33%, so 11% per ally, which is what you usually get...
calm shard
having to go through One Motion to get to it is not
orchid hemlock
for standard recon, not havoc, I would start off like this:
calm shard
unless you are a prolific Helbore enjoyer
empty root
Also recon is more of a primary so weapon specialist doesn't really fit
empty root
for standard recon, not havoc, I would start off like this:
No onslaught?
scenic ginkgo
for standard recon, not havoc, I would start off like this:
I am assuming for Havoc you are taking the absolutely mandatory ammo aura
orchid hemlock
No onslaught?
onslaught imo is bait, however it is viable on the XI recon due to it firing soo quickly
empty root
I am assuming for Havoc you are taking the absolutely mandatory ammo aura
Yes
All builds
remote sonnet
Well, the guy wants to run Mk12 recon las.
scenic ginkgo
Also does Recon not almost depend on the brittleness node?
orchid hemlock
brittle is only useful on recon for 2 scenerios: crushers and bosses
empty root
Unless I'm running a hellbore meme build or making a second vet build
orchid hemlock
everything else, other nodes will make it do more damage
low shale
Sorry my ass wasn't reading greek letters correctly
empty root
It is specifically to counter crushers though
scenic ginkgo
everything else, other nodes will make it do more damage
Such as? Just for clarity
empty root
If your not taking reddit grenades
orchid hemlock
Such as? Just for clarity
I already posted both my builds, u didnt see it?
scenic ginkgo
It is specifically to counter crushers though
Power sword push attack just pokes em to death tbh
scenic ginkgo
I already posted both my builds, u didnt see it?
I just mean which nodes specifically
orchid hemlock
Without Onslaught: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39a0c4-39ed-417d-bb6d-838991d8fb09/femboy-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
calm shard
anything shorter than 12.5 meters
scenic ginkgo
Oh that's not so bad
calm shard
so that guy right over there is in close range
low shale
So whats a good build for a Vet?
orchid hemlock
So whats a good build for a Vet?
yes
calm shard
also worth noting that Longshot is so fucking bad because that's the distance it starts scaling up at
calm shard
to get the full damage boost from it they have to be 30 meters away from you
low shale
You guys said the Jeficus build was bad ;-;
calm shard
so all the way over there to get twenty percent damage
empty root
So whats a good build for a Vet?
orchid hemlock
I just mean which nodes specifically
since u have 3 points to free up, u can take 2 for FT and RF, and one point for whatever u want
tame lodge
So whats a good build for a Vet?
Precision Strikes, the grenade Regen node, superiority complex, iron will, tactical awareness
calm shard
also don't mind the plague ogryns I was practicing okay
low shale
Are you trolling me 😅
empty root
Chris Kyle build
orchid hemlock
Are you trolling me 😅
no this is lit meta 
low shale
All 1 side?
orchid hemlock
yes, Tanner told me its good
orchid hemlock
Deadshot and meta should not be on the same sentence
ok, can u even do solos? 🙄
scenic ginkgo
since u have 3 points to free up, u can take 2 for FT and RF, and one point for ...
What about builds for Havoc? Want to support my friends too and we are lacking on Vet players
empty root
yes, Tanner told me its good
Tanner would nor approve it doesn't have demo team
tame lodge
ok, can u even do solos? 🙄
One handed on controller
orchid hemlock
if not, then opinion discarded
tame lodge
empty root
It's a build for scout snipers
orchid hemlock
What about builds for Havoc? Want to support my friends too and we are lacking o...
this is one
scenic ginkgo
2x health?
empty root
Tanner lindenberg build for havoc
calm shard
I would run havoc vet like this combat axe and bolt pistol personally
empty root
tame lodge
So whats a good build for a Vet?
orchid hemlock
oh man
calm shard
chance
calm shard
on v e t e r a n
calm shard
+5% melee crit chance on a veteran melee is a drop of water in the fucking ocean
orchid hemlock
nope
calm shard
it does not matter
orchid hemlock
well ig for havoc u can jusitfy the cdr
low shale
@tall torrent this might be a stupid question but the MK14 has a higher ammo pool and damage why is the 6 better?
orchid hemlock
but I honestly think Vets dont have the luxury to take CDR when they REALLY need shit like stamregen/SE and gunner resist
scenic ginkgo
Power sword cooler 
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> this might be a stupid question but the MK14 has a higher ...
XIV uses 2 ammo per shot
low shale
Wait... bruh
orchid hemlock
What am I looking at here
thats a diff build they posted
scenic ginkgo
Ah
low shale
I didn't know that
calm shard
no grenade tinkerer for shredders?
orchid hemlock
ah I get it now
tall torrent
how'd you get the ogryn to not do the undodgable upswing/combo
Be lucky
U can also just
calm shard
I can block it but my damaaaage
orchid hemlock
yeah also, HH is kinda bait on recon
tall torrent
It just uses all of your stamina
It only costs u maybe 2 seconds to kill it
No big deal
tall torrent
Axe is high boss damage
tame lodge
I didn't know that
Yeah the 14 trades rate of fire and some ammo per shot for 3 cleave and damage
orchid hemlock
because u are going 10%-35% crit rate on the weapon perk and talent, you only really get about 5% on average crit value from HH
crude fiber
how'd you get the ogryn to not do the undodgable upswing/combo
If you press up against it, it's very likely to do the down smash and you can just back dodge that
calm shard
Axe is high boss damage
Honestly it probably doesn't feel high to me because my reference for "high boss damage" is from playing Psyker and Zealot lmao
tall torrent
Honestly it probably doesn't feel high to me because my reference for "high boss...
Psyker is very low boss damage besides 1 build with gun
As for zealot, yea, duellist is broken
calm shard
90% of my playtime on Psyker (post class rework anyways) is Scriers Gaze+Disrupt Destiny
I am used to nuking bosses from orbit with comically high damage boosts
calm shard
oh yeah guns or kraks owuld annihilate them
orchid hemlock
i like how Tanner said that uncanny is cheeks on knife, but now just quietly puts it on the DS 💀
hes actually soo hypocritical it's hyper cringe
tall torrent
oh yeah guns or kraks owuld annihilate them
Nah, not worth spending ammo
low shale
Is this good if I swap the gun for a Recon Lasgun and Dueling Sword
tall torrent
There aren’t many guns that have more boss dps than melee
tall torrent
Is this good if I swap the gun for a Recon Lasgun and Dueling Sword
Did u get this from Gameslantern
gilded rock
Psyker is very low boss damage besides 1 build with gun
Which gun does boss damage?
low shale
Maybe 😅
gilded rock
Gunker is fun but I can't stand having such pathetic boss damage
orchid hemlock
wait that's the squadrom leader build isn't it
crude fiber
Did u get this from Gameslantern
Meanest thing to say 
tall torrent
Which gun does boss damage?
Boltgun, Vraks 5 infantry autogun, recon (with infernus), helbore, shotgun
orchid hemlock
IT IS https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader
low shale
wait that's the squadrom leader build isn't it
Personally whatever was the highest rated
tall torrent
Meanest thing to say <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
No because I legit saw it in my game the other day and the veteran running it did 1/3 of my damage
gilded rock
Boltgun, Vraks 5 infantry autogun, recon (with infernus), helbore, shotgun
So Vraks 5 for gunker?
tall torrent
tall torrent
So Vraks 5 for gunker?
Ya that’s the highest dps gun for psyker
gilded rock
None of the recons seem to do much boss damage with Infernus on Psyker
tall torrent
Because psyker doesn’t have a bajillion +damage bonuses to help infernus
orchid hemlock
Personally whatever was the highest rated
this build is ok, but it uses soo many wasted nodes that could be used elsewhere
gilded rock
That's about what I figured
tall torrent
Personally whatever was the highest rated
It’s not very good
You can start by not using Gameslantern builds ever
orchid hemlock
@tall torrent
low shale
Ok do you guys have a better build? How do I find good builds?
orchid hemlock
ur famous now path
orchid hemlock
Ok do you guys have a better build? How do I find good builds?
i just linked u 2 recon builds
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331>
Who wrote it
low shale
Oh sorry lemme look
tall torrent
The squad leader build?
orchid hemlock
The squad leader build?
yes
tall torrent
Insane, gotta give them credit for that
Build is still meh but at least they’re being nice
In 5 months they’ll be able to change that to a steam link
calm shard
Boltgun, Vraks 5 infantry autogun, recon (with infernus), helbore, shotgun
oh man shotgun
I remember before fatshark changed all the shotguns I would run the blue zarona shotgun and kill burgles in 1 mag with that thing
tall torrent
Combat shotgun is actually very high boss dps
calm shard
yeah I know
calm shard
shame it'd mean running a shotgun
and the very idea of giving them usable ammo economy makes fatshark sick
tall torrent
Their current ammo pool would be fine
If they were actually good at 1 taps
But they usually need 2~3 shots
calm shard
yeah
I wonder if fatshark could make it so that their minimum pellet count increases at closer range to make them deal more damage
and then also just give them more damage
hilarious gun
would love to have an excuse to run it more often
orchid hemlock
i think the problem is that shotguns are tricky to balance in horde shooters, since they would almost always be giga OP in close quarter scenarios
in almost all horde shooters, the shotguns are ussually the best weapons
calm shard
they don't seem to particularly care about the flamethrowers being giga OP in close quarters
and also suppressing everything instantly at mid range too
orchid hemlock
yeah but FT still is restricting in the sense it is heavy, has a long reload, long swap time, and is only usable on zealot
calm shard
the staff
orchid hemlock
Psykers were always OP
also I dont think other horde shooters rly have a "psyker" class like DT or VT2
like I said, I dont think FS is the best balancing devs, I just am trying to find the logical reason why they were parnaoid about making the shotguns too strong from launch
since they have seen how other horde shooters in the past use them
calm shard
yeah but like
fading yarrow
Oh my God I just managed to save my 3/5 A.S.S from a mid-horde disconnect
calm shard
the shotguns in this game have never really been good outside of that one time they did an oopsie and the flame shotgun had infinite range and went through all level geometry
blue shotgun is garbage and has always been garbage
gentle yoke
Was trying my helbore on havoc and definitely not doing very good
fading yarrow
My screen froze all DC style and I immediately quit the game
I was in a rescue position when I relaunched and reconnected, but I didn't actually die so my streak got kept
calm shard
green shotgun was usable for a brief period when the revolver was bad, and then never again
gentle yoke
Might need to do some build changes
tame lodge
Or change the weapon
tall torrent
blue shotgun is garbage and has always been garbage
It’s the best “normal shotgun”
tame lodge
gentle yoke
Not gonna stop using helbore I love the thing
tame lodge
Real
orchid hemlock
the shotguns in this game have never really been good outside of that one time t...
shotguns in video game sin general are tricky to balance, because how they function in real life use cases doesn't transition well into high pace video games like COD
crude fiber
I like the slug shotgun on a exe stance marksman focus build. Gets you a lot of 1 shots. Not in havoc obviously
calm shard
right, but like exe stance marksman focus would make anything one shot
hell the fuckin' blue infantry lasgun one shots a lot of things with that
crude fiber
I wouldn't over estimate the blue lasgun. It's not meant for 1 shots lol
calm shard
and also the shotguns come back to having a problem with this fucking health type again
they should eviscerate all of the "unarmored" health types, but be mediocre into flak and useless into carapace
crude fiber
Is that lawbringer or agripina?
fading yarrow
Two throwing knife zealots in Melee Scab Maelstrom
narrow frost
>Two throwing knife zealots in Melee Scab Maelstrom <:pepeSus:656318199343611934...
Whats wrong with this?
tame lodge
That's Lawby
crude fiber
Agripina slug doesn't 1 tap ragers right? Without building for it anyway
calm shard
Whats wrong with this?
think about the enemies that spawn primarily in melee scab maelstroms
what armor type is their head
calm shard
what
crude fiber
you know they can 1 shot crushers
Thats very niche, I'm sure most pubs players aren't going to be doing that
tame lodge
what armor type is their head
Maniac
Unarmored
Flak
Cara
tall torrent
And people really just use it for sniping specialists
empty root
Trappers flamer etc
proven cargo
Throwing knives are good
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Tru
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tame lodge
Hot take throwing knives are actually garbage
That's some high quality bait right there
10/10 would use it
crude fiber
the baits better then throwing knives
slow sky
>Two throwing knife zealots in Melee Scab Maelstrom <:pepeSus:656318199343611934...
Not to mention that throwing knives offer the best talent pathing for every build and are used mostly against specialists which are also in waves in civi maels
slow sky
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tame lodge
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slow sky
FUCK
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queen fox
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slow sky
My discord banner
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Adachi is goofy
sleek garden
playing with psykers is always some flavor of infuriating
this psyker is not charging his electrostaff and is just spamming it at minimum at enemies and it takes him 5 shocks to kill trappers
he survived longer than anyone else because he just keeps shocking stuff and walking backwards but nothing dies
and he just looked away from a bruiser and it killed him in several hits with no resistance
auric maelstrom
gentle yoke
Gonna take a break from veteran for a day. Started genuinely tweaking after I kept getting staggered and missing shots
slow sky
Adachi is goofy
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sleek garden
i just tried to dodge a crusher and i slid up a curved tunnel wall so it didnt count
not slide but csgo surfed
slow sky
https://tenor.com/view/steampunk-oliver-tohru-adachi-adachi-persona-4-persona-gi...
I can do you one worse
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I can do you one worse
slow sky
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fading yarrow
What I am is the goer to bed
sleek garden
i need some good teammates
fighting in auric maelstrom is so frustrating now
my teammates are goobers
tame lodge
Bayle, The Bed
sleek garden
i keep dying to stupid stuff now like ill be running and then a crusher rounds the corner already dropping hammers
fading yarrow
Gonna try to wrangle a team for my final Auric Maelstrom tomorrow, I am not going to chance it tonight
slow sky
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slow sky
Everytime someone posts adachi it always becomes this but with adachi true variants, no matter the location
tame lodge
Everytime someone posts adachi it always becomes this but with adachi true varia...
I'm more surprised that there's tons of variants
slow sky
I'm more surprised that there's tons of variants
The meme originally started with adachi
You can find other characters who have been trued but adachi was who it started with so its had years for people to make new versions
proven cargo
I wasn't around when TRUE! became a thing, so it's weird seeing it be a big thing I wasn't there for ig
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narrow frost
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hearty panther
ngl my discord experience improved greatly once i disabled all attachment files by default lmao
hearty panther
it has saved me so much data
not having to scroll through eighty 20mb gifs just to confirm nobody has anything to say
calm shard
which devils claw sword is the best one
slow sky
which devils claw sword is the best one
4 or 7 depending on moveset preference
calm shard
man if the devils claw was just a little bit less hopelessly garbage against armor
it'd be really cool
having bad carapace damage sure it kills poxwalkers and hordes very quickly and has good maniac damage
but armor damage that's so bad it struggles to kill flak?
hearty panther
its got alright flak damage
it just has horrendous flak cleave
gotta chop em down one at a time or cleave through unarmored body parts
that's the cleave heavy
vs. the strikedown
mental smelt
I wish Brunt or Melk would sell me an Infantry autogun that dumps mobility
hearty panther
its servicable, even if it isnt fast
mental smelt
They've all had 80 mobility
calm shard
that's so bad for a weapon that's supposed to be focused on horde clear though
hearty panther
it'll horde clear fine
the take away is to never bother hitting armored parts
sweep unarmored heads on scab bruisers, sweep unarmored bodies on dreg bruisers, sweep unarmored heads on the 21st
low shale
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da78034-dbda-4eff-aebc-f5660464fab7/ve...
Sorry to bother you but could I swap the Shredder frag for the Krak grenade?
Is there a difference in damage or is the shredder for horde clear?
orchid hemlock
the reason u take shredder is because of survivalist
orchid hemlock
but sure, u are free to change it to to krak, just take out demolition team and u can have both
but bear in mind that krak with a weapon like DS is going to have u put your faith of wave clear to your psyker
so idk, u can take power sword instead
low shale
This is hard to pick
orchid hemlock
shredders are imo in general better in havocs, because the infinite cleave and cc has much more value the more enemies there are
tall torrent
This is hard to pick
Do u have to use duelling sword or smth
low shale
No but I'm waiting for Sunday to get my havoc 21 rewards
orchid hemlock
kraks also are really only useful into bosses, yes its good into crushers and bullwalks, but one krak isn't going to be enough for the mega hordes in higher havocs
tall torrent
Krak is mainly for bulwark & boss if you’re the 2nd veteran in a havoc team
low shale
kraks also are really only useful into bosses, yes its good into crushers and bu...
Yeah and I'd want a good flame psyker for horde clear
low shale
Krak is mainly for bulwark & boss if you’re the 2nd veteran in a havoc team
Yeah I just wanna kill bosses quickly becuase I dunno my psyker is already pretty good
orchid hemlock
if u already have a vet with survivalist tho, kraks become much more valuable, because u can then do this:
tall torrent
Yeah I just wanna kill bosses quickly becuase I dunno my psyker is already prett...
Are u struggling with boss damage
low shale
Are u struggling with boss damage
My issue rn is the gun feels meh compared to what I'm used to
tall torrent
What are u used to
orchid hemlock
the value of kraks isn't really the grenade itself, its the fact u can take agile engagement and then go for a WS build that has much better wave clear via the melee
low shale
I might be being biased on damage
orchid hemlock
low shale
What are u used to
Psyker and Zealot
tall torrent
Psyker and Zealot
Why exactly would veteran be lacking in boss damage
Psyker has one (1) good boss damage build
low shale
Im shooting it in the face with the gun 😅
tall torrent
Learn melee then
Veteran has not been the ranged class for over a year
And recon is nowhere near top boss damage for veteran
low shale
I usually use the sword for wave clear and dance around hitting them in the face
low shale
much better than wave clearing, that's for sure
So what I got it backwards?
orchid hemlock
So what I got it backwards?
no, wave clearing with the DS is fine
but recon is not really a boss killing tool, especially on this build
tall torrent
Recon’s boss dps is almost entirely dependent on infernus
orchid hemlock
i would just put some infernus stacks and immediately start poking the weakspot
tall torrent
And veteran’s +damage buffs which give benefit to infernus
The gun itself is not doing much
But you’re usually much better off using DS for boss than recon
You not only get extremely easy reciprocity stacks for crit chance, but u also can loop bosses’ attacks which drastically lower their threats
low shale
Ok I will try that
low shale
no, wave clearing with the DS is fine
but recon is not really a boss killing to...
I wanna finish the build
How am I supposed to be using the Recon correctly
tall torrent
The only boss where ranged boss dps becomes a factor worth considering is BoN which is only 1/3 the spawn pool for regular games
And 1/6 the spawn pool for havoc
orchid hemlock
I wanna finish the build
How am I supposed to be using the Recon correctly
in havoc? or normal?
low shale
Either or
I wanna learn
tall torrent
I wanna finish the build
How am I supposed to be using the Recon correctly
Shoot at elites & specials
Shoot at reapers
It’s mainly for killing shooters, gunners, specialists and reapers
low shale
And 1/6 the spawn pool for havoc
That explains why I only ever really see ogryns
orchid hemlock
recon is prty straight forward imo, u use it to take out the high priority elites/sepcialists and shooters
low shale
Yeah I usually push dodge
tall torrent
One thing to take note with recon lasguns is that they have such exceedingly low stagger
You cannot prevent trapper nets from going off even when you’re shooting at them
Or well, even if it would stagger, u would kill them before the stagger goes off
low shale
So is plasma the meta ranged rn?
tall torrent
Plasma is strong
Idk why you lock yourself into duelling sword and recon in the first place
orchid hemlock
plasma in general is the best gun for vets in the game yes
but in havoc its a bit nuanced
low shale
I wasn't a fan of it when I tried it
tall torrent
Recon’s main role in havoc is a high capacity infernus DOT gun
It exists literally just to fight pus hardened
low shale
Why I switched to Recon
orchid hemlock
Idk why you lock yourself into duelling sword and recon in the first place
hes asking about my build
tall torrent
This one is alr ig
orchid hemlock
at least, this is the one they were replying to
low shale
Yeah thats the one I'm trying
orchid hemlock
this is for high havocs tho
tall torrent
I’d swap GBITF for catch a breath
orchid hemlock
it's really mostly to counter pus harden skin
orchid hemlock
I’d swap GBITF for catch a breath
will it ever proc in havoc tho?
low shale
I’d swap GBITF for catch a breath
To learn
Why?
orchid hemlock
he's talking about my build
low shale
Yeah why 1 over the other?
orchid hemlock
catch a breath is very good for extended gunfights into shooters
but the problem with it is that u need to have nobody near you
low shale
Im reading it
And nobody near was the only issue
orchid hemlock
I ussually prefer this build tho, as long as there is no pus harden modifyer: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9de80830-0019-400e-a4b2-104e0f51e437/vet-havoc-build-2?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
pus harden is such a cuck for vets 😔
low shale
Why dont all High Havocs run wound?
tall torrent
Wound is not useful outside of martyrdom zealot
Well, if you’re more experienced with the game, anyway
low shale
I'm gonna try both your guys build the Axe looks fun also
thick laurel
Just had the funniest/annoying defeat. Psyker got thrown into a dh by a mutant. Immediately rage quits, dh focuses on another psyker, they also immediately rage quit, then the zealot dips so it wrecks me. Like, thanks fellas.
pseudo fiber
pus harden is such a cuck for vets 😔
infernus my beloved
orchid hemlock
i wish i can take agile engagement in that build tbh tho
formal ice
Why do they quit? Just get revived
Demonhost takes your soul and makes you wait 10 minutes to get saved
orchid hemlock
if it wasn't for those nasty ammo modifyers I would do this:
formal ice
What I mean is, demonhost insta kills you if you get downed
orchid hemlock
ILG with attack speed is low key very potent
low shale
So why does this Tanner guy make those builds?
To troll?
You guys say they're really bad
Why I was asking
orchid hemlock
I think he's 100% serious about those builds
low shale
Does he not ask people about them?
orchid hemlock
the build isn't horrible, but the audacity to call it "best" and "meta" is beyond arrogant
low shale
I think he's 100% serious about those builds
Maybe he does it for clicks and shares?
pseudo fiber
Does he not ask people about them?
No he doesn't that's kinda his thing
low shale
he has a god complex on the game
Why? Did someone bully him?
tall torrent
Does he not ask people about them?
Being inconsistently wrong is kind of his whole schtick
orchid hemlock
Maybe he does it for clicks and shares?
i mean maybe, being a narcissist is a very good way to develop a "character"
lolcow style 
low shale
Dam was he ever here in discord?
orchid hemlock
Why? Did someone bully him?
nah he's just a g*mer
orchid hemlock
Dam was he ever here in discord?
yes, he got banned for racism 💀
low shale
LMFAO
orchid hemlock
and worse, he lied and said it was for something else unrelated
low shale
Oh
pseudo fiber
Then called the mod that banned him an asshole and stuff on his community page too
orchid hemlock
and tried to target the community manager of Fatshark to slander her reputation, even after offering him a chance to come back
low shale
That's crazy
Probably to save face
pseudo fiber
And then went on a rant about the Ogrynomincon
then backed off
then did it again
but also said the playtesters for ogryn were bad and said he can't say that because they're also the reddit mods (come on man)
hearty panther
crazy how fatshark doesnt want to officially associate with someone who openly calls people r*tards and fuckfaces even when given plenty of time to type and choose their words carefully
its clearly a personal vendetta they have against him
orchid hemlock
like if he wasn't such a narcissist asshole and actually took criticism more seriously instead of a literal baby, I would actually consider him to be a very good player
pseudo fiber
I mean I still consider him a good player because he is
hearty panther
yea he's still good as a player, but its like kanye
still a massive piece of shit and wish they'd fuck off lmao
empty root
wrath and shred on chainsword?
hearty panther
yea
low shale
If hes good whats up with the inconsistencies in the builds?
pseudo fiber
Because he's good enough to use whatever
low shale
Oh snap
hearty panther
he builds for himself but then prescribes the result as universal
bleak cradle
He is good at playing. Not at theory crafting
pseudo fiber
but they aren't good builds to follow because you probably aren't good enough to play that way
hearty panther
like how i use Mind in Motion in almost all my Psyker trees
i still would not ever call my Psyker builds meta
empty root
yea he's still good as a player, but its like kanye
whos kayne?
low shale
but they aren't good builds to follow because you probably aren't good enough to...
Not yet
West
hearty panther
whos kayne?
good, the world is healing
pseudo fiber
Not yet
but if you're at that point why are you following Tanner builds
and not making your own
empty root
good, the world is healing
is he a youtuber or something? he was in my game earlier
hearty panther
this is also not a trap unique to tanner, it happens here every day
low shale
but if you're at that point why are you following Tanner builds
Me? I never did?
orchid hemlock
I mean I still consider him a good player because he is
but what I mean, is if he actually took his gifted mechanics and improved on them by actually understanding the game instead of believing he is right on everything and refuse to swallow his pride imagine what he could have been
hearty panther
someone with 10 hours in the game comes in for advice and people ultra infodump a bunch of useless information when all the advice they really need is "slow down and listen to soundcues until you have them memorized"
empty root
he was playing gun/greatsword psyker and going balls to the wall on auric random and died 3 times
low shale
I like staff Psykers tbh
empty root
low shale
Feels wrong with guns
empty root
hes in my game all the time who is he
hearty panther
dunno
orchid hemlock
🤷🏻
empty root
I watched a couple of tanners videos he seems like he has assburgers pretty bad. I like his vet build though after a few tweaks
orchid hemlock
I have 🍑 🍔 too
low shale
Take care everyone
Thank you for the help
empty root
how is his vet build on gameslatern wrong anyway
besides the goofy dueling sword build
pseudo fiber
You're returning to your home planet
empty root
yea
orchid hemlock
it's more of the fact he calls it the BEST vet build
empty root
im messing around with non dueling sword builds, have a boltgun build focus target using chainsword
would rashad work?
orchid hemlock
curios are also a bit questionable, but tbh curios hardly mean much in high havocs because of the nasty debuffs
calm shard
would rashad work?
rashad really wants weapon specialist for attack speed
orchid hemlock
would rashad work?
rashad is prob the best melee weapon on vet if u invest on it in the tree
empty root
yea I dont doubt
orchid hemlock
but another reason I am a bit confused on Tanner's DS is that the reason why the DS is strong on havocs is because u can take agile on it, but he doesn't take it
i know agile is a crutch, but in high havocs and fading light, u take anything u can get
empty root
i dunno
I think he cares about his scoreboard
I watched a video of his havoc 40 run and he kept checking it
mid game
broken spade
I wouldn't take agile either
empty root
so offense over defense
broken spade
Dodge management on ds4 isn't exactly hard
orchid hemlock
yeah hes the kind of guy who think you have no right to speak unless you solo run Gloriana
empty root
for bolter build do you need supression umminity or deadshot?
broken spade
nah
orchid hemlock
he literally made another discord specifically for "people who actually want to learn the game" 🤓
broken spade
for bolter build do you need supression umminity or deadshot?
I don't take either
orchid hemlock
he literally just speed runs solos all day before the havoc update came out, it was soo sad
empty root
whatever. I watched a couple of his videos and tried to glean as much useful information as I could, but he really needs to trim them down and stop arguing with himself so they arent 90 minutes long.
orchid hemlock
the reason his videos are soo long is because he doesn't know how to edit
none of his videos are edited, literally just all one recording 💀
empty root
he takes arguments hes had with people on forums or discord or whatever and makes the argument to the audience
who has no idea what he is fucking talking about
hearty panther
no guys its totally naturalistic you dont understand, youre acting exactly like my eighth grade math teacher back when she told me that i had to do long division by hand, but i told her i have a calcualtor, and therefore she's a stupid bitch, you get me guys right
orchid hemlock
u need to see some of his "skit" videos:
empty root
a youtube video he has the luxury of presenting his opinion without arguing. Just make it watchable.
hearty panther
a youtube video he has the luxury of presenting his opinion without arguing. Jus...
thats the best summary to date lmao
broken spade
no editing no scripting
he'll just end up saying stuff that's just wrong because he'll talk about stuff he didn't bother checking
hearty panther
leave the drama, just say your piece dude
i will say though like
i did a smite video, its only 6min with zero editing
and i made a very loose script
it started off with the first recording being almost 30m
tall torrent
whatever. I watched a couple of his videos and tried to glean as much useful inf...
I have a guide if u need
hearty panther
and it took six hours to pare it down to 6min
if ur a youtube gremlin monkey fuck who has to put a video out constantly for the algorithm
you cant
tall torrent
for bolter build do you need supression umminity or deadshot?
Neither is required
Deadshot can be nice if you really like it
orchid hemlock
hearty panther
also just xstance it bby
junior needle
no editing no scripting
he'll just end up saying stuff that's just wrong because...
Can confirm, he will also actively contradict the titles of his videos in the same video
orchid hemlock
this guy had to have been a 4chaner
orchid hemlock
these phrases are too consistent to 4chan language
junior needle
I remember talking to him on here and he made a video where he talks about proving some "kid" in discord wrong about rending affecting falloff damage (He thought it didn't)
orchid hemlock
oh man, he goes after streamers too like a kiwifarmer
empty root
I have a guide if u need
Where is it?
grim widget
anything i should change out on this?
empty root
I use crit over maniac but everyone tells me I'm wrong
junior needle
Maniac will be faster ttk but crit will always me more efficient overall
orchid hemlock
anything i should change out on this?
it depends on the tree
junior needle
Because even a string of 2 effectively doubles your crit chance
orchid hemlock
HH is sorta a bait blessing if u already have high crit rate from your talents/perks
junior needle
Yeah HH is much less helpful the more crit you have elsewhere
And is also demanding on your skill
orchid hemlock
once u have max stacks of reciprocity, the maximum value you will get on HH is 5% crit rate
junior needle
Last I checked az was recommending deathspitter and dumdum
But I haven't been around for a long time
tall torrent
anything i should change out on this?
Upgrade flak
Swap maniac to crit chance
Swap headhunter to dum dum
orchid hemlock
for XII I would do dumdum/infernus
junior needle
Opinions are mixed on infernus
empty root
Opinions are mixed on infernus
But fire go brrrr
junior needle
It feels better than it numerically is
tall torrent
Deathspitter is faster strict TTK
Infernus makes for a more versatile gun and helps especially in havoc
pseudo fiber
havoc refires the debates of infernus
junior needle
Yeah, it provides convenience
And lets you get away with just barely not killing things which is helpful when things get hectic
tall torrent
For the sake of spending less resources I’d recommend infernus if you’re making your very first recon lasgun
orchid hemlock
havoc refires the debates of infernus
i cant believe we live in a timeline where Infernus on laspistol is viable
empty root
Isn't infernus piggybacking off the crit synergy of shock trooper
pseudo fiber
i cant believe we live in a timeline where Infernus on laspistol is viable
what a world
teal canyon
anything i should change out on this?
Autoguns is more fun for me
tall torrent
Isn't infernus piggybacking off the crit synergy of shock trooper
Yes
It also almost triples recon’s boss dps
junior needle
When did this happen
pseudo fiber
when I switched from plasma to laspistol on havoc I had a lot more fun
orchid hemlock
When did this happen
have u seen puss harden skin modifyer on havoc?
junior needle
I haven't touched the game in months
tall torrent
Do u like having your ranged damage cut by at least half
orchid hemlock
basically it makes the target take reduced ranged damage
junior needle
Yes
It also almost triples recon’s boss dps
Has it been changed or is it still adding like 500 dps
tall torrent
Yea that’s what pus hardened does
tall torrent
Has it been changed or is it still adding like 500 dps
Recon’s unyielding ADM is not very good
However, burn DOT’s unyielding ADM is quite good
empty root
Interesting
tall torrent
It’s like 232 damage per tick with max dum dum stacks
empty root
Boss damage is kinda overrated imo
pseudo fiber
also why shredders are good since bleed
junior needle
Yeah, adding 500~ dps doesn't sound like tripling boss dps
pseudo fiber
and puncture is nice because bleed
tall torrent
You shouldn’t count on recon to kill bosses
But it is handy for BoN
junior needle
Outside of whatever that mod is
empty root
Most of the struggle is killing the other enemies, when they are dead the boss is trivial
tall torrent
Yeah, adding 500~ dps doesn't sound like tripling boss dps
VIc with almost no investment (not even shock trooper) kills plague ogryn in 14s (2 mags)
Without infernus that’s way longer
pseudo fiber
That's lower than I thought actually.
junior needle
It's a dps increase, but you can easily do like 1500 dps just with the gun itself on body shots
pseudo fiber
Probably why I saw a zealot using it on a 3veg solo
bitter vessel
Is the sapper shovel good?
orchid hemlock
I prefer shock mauls, but shovels have better boss damage
tall torrent
It's a dps increase, but you can easily do like 1500 dps just with the gun itsel...
It mainly just helps with BoN that’s all
You bypass BoN’s negative ranged damage modifiers and don’t need to engage up close
Is it better to use a higher finesse gun to shoot at its weakspot? Yea
Is that opportunity always available? I wish
junior needle
When did it get that?
tall torrent
And it helps a ton with Pus Hardened modifier which is like
1/4 of havoc
junior needle
Never knew it had ranged damage reduction natively
tall torrent
Get what
Havoc?
BoN has negative damage modifiers across its body except mouth and weakspot
It’s for both melee & ranged damage
Fortunately DOT is neither
junior needle
Did not know that
I assumed it was a recent addition since I never heard it even once
tall torrent
Pretty sure it’s been a thing since forever ago
People just target weakspots more
BoN weakspot is 1.4 for melee, 1.0 for ranged
The other thing is havoc
With ammo being much more scarce and pus hardened modifier drastically reducing ranged damage
Suddenly infernus’s value is way higher
Recon’s whole schtick in havoc is “I’m the infernus gun”
junior needle
Lel
dry cloak
Fanfire revolver is a boss deleter
junior needle
Oh how the turntables
It's amusing to see that they refused to just buff infernus/change it mechanically, and instead just made painful mechanics that it conveniently bypasses
trim steppe
Melk still comes through, sometimes
hearty panther
pus hardened shouldve been a tradeoff
like the enemy is very resistant to ranged, but their hp is significantly cut so theyll fold to melee really quickly
teal canyon
pus hardened shouldve been a tradeoff
They should be slower af with each nurgle blessing
hearty panther
instead you just have to scream when a reaper rounds the corner and is pushardened
like i straight up would not mind it going as high as full-on ranged damage immunity
but just being a flat DR on ranged is very boring, and paired with all the other havoc bonuses, leads to comically disproportionate outcomes against certain targets
teal canyon
I actually was cringing when i got in to darktide and rotten corpses were faster than me and was leaping 15m in to the air
hearty panther
that's just necessary tbh
tall torrent
like the enemy is very resistant to ranged, but their hp is significantly cut so...
Or make the ranged damage reduction not apply to weakspot hits
hearty panther
otherwise high level gameplay would be running away
tall torrent
So at least good aim is rewarded
tall torrent
Because I legit got no clue what I’m supposed to do as a veteran when staring down at 2 pus hardened reapers + a bajillion gunners
hearty panther
die
tall torrent
The only thing that really helps in that situation is if psyker domes directly onto them
And whole team pushes melee
Which, veteran does not have
hearty panther
smoke grenade obv
tall torrent
It’s just really limiting to play veteran in pus hardened
You either take smoke and actually get to fight them but lose a lot of mixed horde clear
Or u get fucked over and rely entirely on the rest of your team to make the right decisions at the right time
hearty panther
i dont necessarily mind that last option
the intention is that everyone work together
but a) i fucking hate bubble and b) basically everybody is hard-cucked by pus hardened in a very unfun and limiting way which results in the same answers for everybody
tall torrent
The 2nd option would be fine
If veteran didn’t already have the worst pacemaking options
Every other class has an ability they can throw down where it basically resets the fight in your favour
Veteran does not
hearty panther
sprint slide right into the gunners and shout
tall torrent
Need like stripped down or ghost for that
And the stagger doesn’t last long enough for u to kill all of them
hearty panther
what if targets marked by XStance lost their buffs
tall torrent
Too hard to code
I think just by making pus hardened not apply to ranged weakspot hits would solve a lot of the problems
trim steppe
Or at least reduced effectiveness (of the DR) on weakspots
hearty panther
ogryn too stronk
i think i need a new microwave
and we just got this oven replaced too
fun
I JUST WANT TO MAKE HOT CHOCOLATE
wanton dawn
Because I legit got no clue what I’m supposed to do as a veteran when staring do...
I just keep shooting and it keep working
hearty panther
yea like what else can you do
psyker is like that
if my ammo hits 0 i die
just gotta keep pacing my shots to proc EE
otherwise i get fucken obliterated
tall torrent
I really don’t think “haha go waste ur ammo” should be encouraged as a strategy in the “very low ammo” mode
But maybe that’s just me
hearty panther
oh its not to get the kill
its so i can move to cover or close the distance invulnerable
tall torrent
It’s just for stagger ik
hearty panther
cause EE is dummy good lmao
tall torrent
But it’s still an incredibly frustrating fight
And it’s only frustrating as veteran
Psyker with VB/inferno staff literally ignores all (all) negatives from pus hardened
wanton dawn
Well, am not an havoc weapon expert i only bring plosmie in high havoc
hearty panther
purg staff is so dumb rn
i wanna know who thought letting it stack blaze away that quickly was a good idea
wanton dawn
I would not dream of bringing exe stance on h40 though. I would need too much trust in my mate and would be squishy as hell
grand perch
Because I legit got no clue what I’m supposed to do as a veteran when staring do...
Well sometimes the situation demands slowly whittling them down
wanton dawn
I can get why ppl prefer psyker or zealot in high havoc
grand perch
But as you said it will waste a lot of ammo if you're not on helbore
wanton dawn
Ppl play hb in havoc ? 
hearty panther
i do wanna pull off xstance havoc
bleak cradle
Play with me. I will guard you
grand perch
Helbore is fantastic in havoc. I did try exec stance but haven't dared to go over 35 with it yet
So h40, still voc
wanton dawn
I mean, i can bring exe. Doesnt make it good
In a mode with derank i dont wanna weaken myself
grand perch
Maybe with two zealots that are competent to give you enough room
wanton dawn
Well, if i play with this mindset i usually just die
grand perch
wanton dawn
Everybody got a plan 'til they get punched in the mouth
junior needle
New class when
wanton dawn
Ask general we already have psyker vet and zealot vet coming here
frank basin
New class when
odd sparrow
is it just for throwing them or for your team actually benefitting
wanton dawn
If they are bad.
odd sparrow
if its just throwing them you could just chuck em away
empty aurora
its specificaly "engulf enemies in smoke"
wanton dawn
Well, smoking enemies work
empty aurora
which is a wrong and bad way to use smokes in a video game
wanton dawn
Well... using smoke offensively is usually bad because of corner priority in pvp.
This is not pvp
I'd argue that using smoke offensively is how you should do it in darktide
Throw it, rush in, kill everything in it
warm bolt
which is a wrong and bad way to use smokes in a video game
Idk in wargames it's really useful to put smoke on the enemy and then push
Cant shoot if you cant see shit after all
warm bolt
Throw it, rush in, kill everything in it
"CLOSE IN, KILL, REPEAT" 
terse idol
which is a wrong and bad way to use smokes in a video game
well roll it back because in most mil-sims you're trying to get the smoke as close to the enemy as you can
Throwing it in the middle is the worst, because A. your team will move into the smoke and be blinded and then still be blinded before you leave, while the enemies get eyes on you
or well.. the middle isn't exactly the worst
empty aurora
i usually try to use smokes to cover movement or block sightlines
mostly i just try to avoid using smokes the same way you would use a frag
ashen cosmos
is there a specific combo for chainsword horde clear or is it just heavy spam?
warm bolt
mostly i just try to avoid using smokes the same way you would use a frag
I guess makes sense cause at this point it'd be better to just use a frag
Especially on havoc, i wonder how they fare against 8 fucking snipers per room
warm bolt
is there a specific combo for chainsword horde clear or is it just heavy spam?
Pretty sure you just heavy spam but also special attack on elites
ashen cosmos
ye got that much , always loved doing a revved up attack on a mutant and they just die while they pass me by lmao
empty aurora
i absolutely love bull fighting Mutants with the saber
warm bolt
light ridge
is there a specific combo for chainsword horde clear or is it just heavy spam?
XIIIg:
light spam deals with hordes and mixed hordes
Revved light will deal with most elites
Revved heavy for maulers and ogryns
ashen cosmos
XIIIg:
light spam deals with hordes and mixed hordes
Revved light will deal wit...
thanks bro
bolter blessings?
pinning fire and shatteriing impact?
tough tiger
pin and cavalcade
tall torrent
bolter blessings?
For veteran specifically, pinning fire + puncture
wanton dawn
I liek pinning surg
grand perch
didnt say a word to him all game. post match i get this message
what could he be on about
wanton dawn
what could he be on about
If i see you block while typing imma call you out as a dirty modder
grand perch
guilty as charged
wanton dawn
Cant fool me
unreal nova
If i see you block while typing imma call you out as a dirty modder <:KEKW_ogryn...
Hax! Unfair advantage! /s
odd summit
whoever told me to take the chance for grenade on specialist kill trait yesterday, i love you
unreal nova
whoever told me to take the chance for grenade on specialist kill trait yesterda...
Think it's elites as well?
But is funni boomies.
odd summit
saved myself in a scab melee mission by stealth dumping all of my nades into a group of crushers and maulers and I immediately got all of them back to do so again
unreal nova
You get a 'nade, you get a 'nade and you get a 'nade!
odd summit
unreal nova
Naw, be Oprah but with 'nades.
umbral grove
You get a 'nade, you get a 'nade and you get a 'nade!
When im playing with a vet and go to get ammo at the box and dont get a grenade back, its just like "Bruh, why are you even here then?"
unreal nova
When im playing with a vet and go to get ammo at the box and dont get a grenade ...
You do get a beeg 'nade back. If I'm there. 2, since you can have my share as well.
grand perch
When im playing with a vet and go to get ammo at the box and dont get a grenade ...
field improv is not a bad talent but very rarely worth taking
lucid bough
If i see you block while typing imma call you out as a dirty modder <:KEKW_ogryn...
Maybe fatsharks statistics showed them in vermintide 2, that the default block while chatting lead to increased toxicity and chose to not include it in dt
unreal nova
field improv is not a bad talent but very rarely worth taking
But when an oggy has 9 nukes though.
grand perch
yeah that mael modifier has me switching to a build with field improv usually
unreal nova
IDK actual numbers. But I have 6 frags.
umbral grove
You do get a beeg 'nade back. If I'm there. 2, since you can have my share as we...
Im always gonna protect you, lil'un
Anyone who gives beeg grenade back is friend
unreal nova
I just never need an ammo crate if things die due to a mix of survivalist and every 'nade talent.
umbral grove
But i use 'em if they're there
unreal nova
I just let everyone else use them, double dip if needed.
Unless it's the funni crate in the drop ship.
scenic ginkgo
Can someone send like the most possible optimised recon las build with survivalist and shout?
I'd prefer to avoid using DS if possible
thorn lark
@slow sky
toxic leaf
whoever told me to take the chance for grenade on specialist kill trait yesterda...
someone linked me a havoc build that had this and i was like really, then i tried in just a regular histg t5 game and it was game changing even there lol
tbf it was clandestine mission so i was just getting infinite nades at that first infinitely long part with the mechanism
wanton dawn
Remember folks: if the title is a question then the answer is no
On another note: probably the 1st time i see a keystone recon build shared here
Nature is healing ?
scenic ginkgo
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3d7575-3a0f-4a47-81f4-6d45b2b099ae/mi...
Would dumdum not be better for recon?
Than the headshot blessing
empty root
its up to you I guess
the headshot blessing reasoning is more crit=less ammo usage
more infernus procs
grand perch
tbf it was clandestine mission so i was just getting infinite nades at that firs...
coincidentally am i the only one getting the impression most pubbies dont get how the first event actually works?
crisp oak
On another note: probably the 1st time i see a keystone recon build shared here ...
in exchange no superiority complex
or field improv
grand perch
they start the event immediately before clearing the area, and do not follow the capacitators activating so that they can be restarted before the whole row needs to reboot
crisp oak
Field improv/survivalistm is the true mvp
crisp oak
they start the event immediately before clearing the area, and do not follow the...
depends on the difficulty tbh
sometimes you gotta wait and let it reset to book/bubble for it
grand perch
Would dumdum not be better for recon?
would be, he probably wants more crits for shock trooper
scenic ginkgo
Tbh when you have survivalist you can live with less shock trooper no?
empty root
Tbh when you have survivalist you can live with less shock trooper no?
you take shock trooper end of story
scenic ginkgo
you take shock trooper end of story
I'm not saying not to use it
empty root
the knife build is wonky, I dont use it
scenic ginkgo
I'm saying survivalist makes the economy a bit better so you can get away without using headhunter
scenic ginkgo
the knife build is wonky, I dont use it
Planning on using achlys power sword anyway
Luv me power sword
empty root
I would personally keep infernus+hh
crisp oak
the knife build is wonky, I dont use it
honestly for recon IO'd reun the dsiv
empty root
your damage is going to be fine without dumdum
empty root
i run a random melee weapon, it doesnt really matter you are shooting 95% of the time anyway
I think with that build specificially the reason he runs double bleed on the knife is just to swap and apply dots to a boss and swap back
scenic ginkgo
I've noticed people basically seem to use Recon even in melee range lmao
wanton dawn
And there's me, thinking the melee is the most important item in your vet build
Guess that's why i cant understand recon
scenic ginkgo
I do like power sword since it's a pretty good all purpose melee
empty root
melee choice is more important in a weapon specialist build over a recon build
hollow ibex
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3d7575-3a0f-4a47-81f4-6d45b2b099ae/mi...
what the fuck is this
crisp oak
empty root
recon build is the most point and shoot piss easy gun to run
wanton dawn
what the fuck is this
The best vet build (?)
crisp oak
my recon build
hollow ibex
Would dumdum not be better for recon?
congrats, you're better than Mr. Youtuber
crisp oak
i run a random melee weapon, it doesnt really matter you are shooting 95% of the...
this is why an agile dueling sword is the way, because its there as a get out of dodge move
empty root
The best vet build (?)
at least it doesn't have fireteam or krak grenades
better than 99% of the builds on that site
hollow ibex
fireteam is great (for pathing)
frank ether
Tbh when you have survivalist you can live with less shock trooper no?
why'd you refuse free ammo in havoc
wanton dawn
Fireteam is great if other vet takes surv
hollow ibex
outside of havoc, you typically don't need surv
empty root
but if you take it as the sole vet thats a problem
frank ether
I wish the efficiency blessing wasnt dogwater so I could consider it as an option for other classes
hollow ibex
nah
unreal nova
~~why does knife not have agile~~
Too OP.
frank ether
agile is one of those things that shouldn't exist
but at this point I dont think FS cares
wanton dawn
High havoc and no ammo are the only mod where id say not taking surv is throwing
crisp oak
It shouldn't, but it also shouldnt be on the dsiv and not the knife
empty root
fireteam is great (for pathing)
path from shredders to VoC is the same through fireteam and survivalist
hollow ibex
High havoc and no ammo are the only mod where id say not taking surv is throwing
unless 4 psykers
frank ether
This is all a problem of not doing whats neccessity balance wise before havoc
unreal nova
unless 4 psykers <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
3 psykers and a chorus bot.
wanton dawn
unless 4 psykers <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
frank ether
so the design is skewed towards what overpowered things already exist
empty root
survivalist is not NEEDED in aurics but its still nice to have. a lot of pubs shoot way too much
frank ether
survivalist should have been nuked out of the game while they were at it and so havoc ammo economy could be designed without it as a factor
hollow ibex
path from shredders to VoC is the same through fireteam and survivalist
it's an extra point to go from surv to middle to take VOC?
crisp oak
also weird that build doesn't have the 5% cc
empty root
it's an extra point to go from surv to middle to take VOC?
no its not
unles you takin krak
wanton dawn
also weird that build doesn't have the 5% cc
Its not a "great" end node. And not really a path node
empty root
if so god help you
hollow ibex
no its not
check it yourself, if you go left and want to path back, it's an extra point
hollow ibex
kraks are good, though i rate them lower than shredders
i still prefer them over smoke outside of havoc tho
empty root
they arent good in high level play
scenic ginkgo
Shredders are just nice to have at almost all times
hollow ibex
nah they still good
empty root
by the time they fuse someone has killed your target and 2 others with a DS 4
they are a joke
hollow ibex
that's a skill issue
crisp oak
kraks are good for an off vet (for bosses)
scenic ginkgo
As an Ogryn
I love it when the vet spams Shredders
Free DR
wanton dawn
Kraks are better in boss maelstrom, but barely
hollow ibex
target select better
empty root
you lose so much utility from shredders
unreal nova
by the time they fuse someone has killed your target and 2 others with a DS 4
Or trauma'd to death.
empty root
krak solves a problem that you dont have for high level play
crisp oak
krak solves a problem that you dont have for high level play
boss damage is the solve
hollow ibex
it's useful for deleting annoying elites that can't be immediately dealth with, crusher hordes, or bosses
crisp oak
basically the ability to be a thunderhammer
empty root
they are for malice babies who are scared of crushers or take bad melee+ranged combos
scenic ginkgo
Yeah tbh if you're taking kraks because you actually need them
Your build has bigger issues
wanton dawn
Shredder are better in havoc overall
hollow ibex
like i said, still not as good as shredders
but they're not bad like some people think they are
crisp oak
just bosses
unreal nova
they are for malice babies who are scared of crushers or take bad melee+ranged c...
Or want all penances?
crisp oak
crushers will die before the fuze is lit typically
hollow ibex
if you turn a corner and there's 10 crushers mixed with bulwarks, they're pretty damn good to have
empty root
imo, they are basically useless at high level play
crisp oak
Or want all penances?
penance builds get a pass from almost everyone
unreal nova
penance builds get a pass from almost everyone
Funni crabwalk one. Just.
terse idol
krak solves a problem that you dont have for high level play
Me as I at least point to their utility in dealing with clumps of crushers or bulwarks
crisp oak
bring the lone build to get backstabs in havoc
terse idol
In thaat way it's still useful
crisp oak
Me as I at least point to their utility in dealing with clumps of crushers or bu...
needs tinkerer then
to work
unreal nova
needs tinkerer then
And rolling lucky on twinned.
terse idol
I'm a tinkerer believer
crisp oak
with tinkerer you can kill a crusher blob
empty root
Me as I at least point to their utility in dealing with clumps of crushers or bu...
they dont though. you throw one at a line of 8 crushers and they kill 1 or 2. Shredder will knock all them on their ass and bleed them
hollow ibex
needs tinkerer then
good thing it's really easy to grab with kraks
crisp oak
yup
empty root
2 shredders is a screen wipe and remaining crushers just get DS4ed to the face
terse idol
they dont though. you throw one at a line of 8 crushers and they kill 1 or 2. Sh...
Well i mean if they're that clumped up but yeah it's a little lucky
crisp oak
I like kraks, for dense packs of crushers, but really for bosses
just imagine in a havok 40
empty root
boss damage is so overrated
terse idol
Nooo