#veteran-class

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pastel yew
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idk I just dont value wasting points to get onslaught

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on an enemy you can just easily stab

crisp oak
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I run it on my iag

pastel yew
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iag is even worse

crisp oak
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Mainly cuz I could spare the point

pastel yew
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at least the recon is mega ammo efficient

light ridge
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Even without 10% rending

crisp oak
pastel yew
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getting onslaught is like 3 points out of the way

crisp oak
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At least in non-havoks

pastel yew
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or 2 depending

vale wraith
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Iag is one of the most ammo efficient guns in the game

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More so than recon tbh

crisp oak
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im also running a completely different build setup

pastel yew
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mhm

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but in every case except for crushers

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those 3 points are going to do more damage going to marksmans focus

crisp oak
pastel yew
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well assuming you have stacks which you should and will

crisp oak
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That I take it for (with stripped down you can become immune to guns)

pastel yew
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I mean full stack ms is 34% increase or something

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I dont think the ADM is THAT bad

hearty panther
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finesse on the recons is pretty low

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thats why MF doesnt gain a lot of traction on them

pastel yew
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low yes, but its still 34% increase

hearty panther
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sure but you'd get that with just FT and no gimmick

pastel yew
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and you can take it with the +rending

terse idol
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Isn't keystoneless recon still marginally better

pastel yew
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or whatever its called

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and optimal ft is not that

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optimal ft is stinky

hearty panther
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but you'd have the flat rending immediately and no need to score headshot kills to build stacks and no loss on movement either

pastel yew
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you dont lose on movement anymore

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not since the stack changes

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and you build stacks basically instnatly

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they last like 6s without any decay at all

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and even if they do start to decay it's only 1 at a time

hearty panther
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its really just a case of like

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you could do so much more with MF with any other gun

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and recon benefits almsot exactly as much with much easier keystones

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there's really no reason to

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easy point of comparison is the columnus and the VIc recon

pastel yew
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where can I even check its adm for all the other groups

light ridge
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FT helps everyone kill things and gives back Toughness to everyone in coherency (starting with me)
It's not dependent on my aim or even me killing the target, that's why I prefer it

hearty panther
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... wait its not called columnus anymore

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fucken name changes

pastel yew
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do I just have to math it from the damage break down

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grim if so

terse idol
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Well wait isn't it 38% extra damage on like mf but it's per bullet which isn't that much of an increase anyways

hearty panther
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you do yea

terse idol
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Didn't we also have this talk with like

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Path

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A few days ago?

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Its like 38% of whatever damage per laser the recon is doing

pastel yew
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idk I wasnt there for the convo

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but 38% takes 4 shots down to 3

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damage values arent really important for auto weapons though

terse idol
pastel yew
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more just straight dps value

terse idol
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It was someone different

light ridge
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Still not sure on how 10% rending helps so much (I got Infernus on it and have a vague idea)

pastel yew
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for it to be 4x better it has to be an increase of something stupid

terse idol
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Its not that much of an increase because like it was said already, the recon isn't that good with finesse

pastel yew
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I do not get this argument though like

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yes it might have low finesse

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but the facts are the facts, it still bumps your damage by 34%?

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just other weapons gain more from it

terse idol
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Well

hearty panther
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opportunity costs

terse idol
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Its because it's 34% of a small number

pastel yew
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you can also take it with +10% rending

hearty panther
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unless youre somehow taking MF + Rending + Onslaught

pastel yew
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?

hearty panther
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its the better option of the two lol

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so ... yes and no

pastel yew
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I see 0 reason to shoot crushers they're the least important enemy in the game

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especially when every meta melee weapon makes a joke of them

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idk

hearty panther
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damn why it sound like the crushers are blowing their loads when they die

terse idol
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Like, when you say it's straight up 38% the increase is marginal

hearty panther
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you're a bit too focused on just Crushers

pastel yew
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this is seperate

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more that I dont value onslaught at all

hearty panther
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Rending also affects damage drop off numbers

terse idol
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Specifically for recon

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Its probably worth it

pastel yew
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every enemy you're killing is dying before onslaught gets much stacks?

terse idol
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Because it's recon

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And how quickly it can stack

pastel yew
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yeah so... against most things that arent crushers very little

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does this at all change the breakpoints of the weapon

crisp oak
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Guess you are running something like this

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hearty panther
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with the XII specifically when you're firing at 23 rounds a second or whatever its pretty much full stacks on every target

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little shooter boys not so much

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but generally you dont care to hyper finesse your build to kill just shooters in their pyjamas

pastel yew
crisp oak
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(Because the person originally had infiltrate for some reason)

pastel yew
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which means its mainly helping with crushers

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I guess maulers too

hearty panther
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no, its helping against everything

crisp oak
pastel yew
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but you can just chest shot maulers

hearty panther
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gunners, ragers, specials

crisp oak
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But all flak people really

hearty panther
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well, not all specials

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but most

elder fiber
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anything that isn't unarmoured or infested

crisp oak
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Also reapers

hearty panther
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and even for unarmored and infested, if you're at a distance where you are penalized by damage drop off, rending offsets that too

pastel yew
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I mean I agree with everything after rending strikes for sure

crisp oak
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Other than twin linked stubber right?

pastel yew
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its just onslaught seems to provide very little for not one, not two, but three

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entire skill points

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?

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thats a huge investment

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against an enemy type that doesnt matter

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rending strikes is whatever least thats only one

hearty panther
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and the stamina node is pretty awesome

pastel yew
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outside of crushers this isn't really changing much. maybe at giga range as was mentioned but

hearty panther
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CQKZ

stable socket
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could it be because they're mistaking 7.5% finesse strength per stack (which applies only to the bonus damage that finesse provides over the base damage) for 7.5% strength stack, which would be a lot of damage?

pastel yew
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3 points for that effect is wild

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thats so many things on the vet tree

crisp oak
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You have those points if you dont run a keystone

pastel yew
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I just think onslaught is dogshit

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where is the 200% coming from for onslaught

crisp oak
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Its 40% brittleness

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Which also helps with bosses

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Cuz it is teamwide

pastel pumice
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69% Rending, 420% Melee Speed

light ridge
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The problem with Onslaught seems to be that most stuff, aside from Crushers and bosses, has melted before you build meaningful stacks

hearty panther
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100% concentrated power of will

pastel pumice
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100% Thugging it out if shit hits the fan

tall torrent
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Recon’s flak ADM is 0.75, not 0.68

hearty panther
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(the ultra fast one anyway)

tall torrent
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ADM is in % related to the stat card number

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Which is “60” for XII

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45/60=0.75

light ridge
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Since I started this discussion, I'm using the VIc

tall torrent
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Rending strikes sends it to 0.85

pastel yew
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131 179 | 118 160 | 104 140 | 88 120

MF 15 20% rending - 131 / 179
MF 15 10% rending - 118 / 160
MF 15 0% rending 104 /140
NO mf 10% rending 88/120

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same distance

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left number is unarmored rager, right is armored

light ridge
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Doesn't feel right for me, that's why I use VIc

pastel yew
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not to mention mf isnt just boosting your base and crit damage especially

light ridge
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Sound 😅

pastel yew
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79 / 107 for no rending no mf

hollow ibex
pastel yew
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also mf + rending was a bigger increase than just rending on its own without

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yes and in both cases mf alone provides more, these were just two convenient enemies of different armor types

crisp oak
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The best weapon is obviously the shredder autopistol

hearty panther
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hell yea

crisp oak
hearty panther
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it has shredder right in the name

crisp oak
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Just like my frags

hearty panther
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we name maxxing

pastel yew
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onslaught isn't going to be much better no? by the time you get to the point of having stacked it 4 times you're already most of the way there to having killed them

hearty panther
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honestly i havent touched the XII that much since the recon reworks

pastel yew
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its stacked per hit no?

hearty panther
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VIc is just so snappy

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XIV is dead to me now tho since everything got hitmass buffs

light ridge
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So how do these two affect chainsword or shovel?

pastel yew
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yes but those individual fires are dealing damage

hearty panther
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yea XII stacks Onslaught in legit less than one second

pastel yew
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you will kill your target

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before you hit 15 stacks

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16*

hearty panther
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okay but it is still stacking

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the entire time

pastel yew
hearty panther
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even on the first 10 rounds

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you are doing more damage

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even on the first four rounds

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it is doing more damage

pastel yew
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but its less than rending strikes alone for 4 shots? or 5 if the first doesnt count I'm not sure how "continuous" applies here

hearty panther
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unless you are somehow missing every other shot

tall torrent
pastel yew
elder fiber
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lmao

pastel pumice
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I have neglected the guide for too long

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Do I stop procrastinating on reading it

hearty panther
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2.5% brittle per shot
at 5 shots you are now doing more than MF

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and then it only goes up from there

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you dont need 3/4 headshot kills to start it either

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you just have that

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on tap

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as far as breakpoints specifically goes, thats a much muddier conversation (onslaught is still better)

hollow ibex
hearty panther
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ye

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but also, its the XII, so i find controlling that ammo output precisely to be a total wash lol

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"hmmm i just need six rounds to kill this shooter"
-brief click-
-18 rounds fire-
"goddamn it"

light ridge
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I'm building to survive Havoc, also why I put Hit & Run on it

teal canyon
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heavy machinegun

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crisp oak
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Screw ammo efficiency

pastel yew
crisp oak
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Volume of fire wins battles dammit

pastel yew
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I'd need exact adm values to figure out the number of shots you need to reach the same value

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but then you also have the damage deficit of already being lower damage for those first X shots

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it doesnt matter how fast it stacks, what matters is total hits before death no?

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so against crushers this will be more

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and against bosses I imagine too

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but against most everything else I'm not so sure I aint seein it

crisp oak
tall torrent
crisp oak
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To just run and shoot gunners with impunity

teal canyon
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run n gun is not good

pastel yew
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just like how rending strikes was a gajillion times better than mf when it just wasnt?

crisp oak
pastel yew
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again, never going to shoot carapace with my recon why would I

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though unyielding I'll concede yee

crisp oak
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Because you can....

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Like for the same reason you bolter into a crowd

pastel yew
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but they're just not an important enemy tho

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what are they doing to you at range

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they aint gonna throw their bonk stick ;p

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idk maybe combat knife privilege has gotten to my head but I cant think of a less threatening major enemy than the crusher Shrug

light ridge
crisp oak
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I typically just shredder spam

pastel pumice
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i smile when i see a horde of crushers in Havoc

hearty panther
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recon killing crushers faster than i can draw and unpin my krak grenade is a time honoured tradition

crisp oak
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The crusher pack

pastel pumice
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i cry when i see a pack of ragers

pastel yew
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so you first need to hit 11 times

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then you need to hit more to make up the damage you lost on those initial 11 hits

broken spade
crisp oak
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Everything bleeds

pastel yew
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how many things you hitting that many times to the head before it dies

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outside of crushers n bosses

crisp oak
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And maulers

pastel yew
broken spade
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I think the elite buff is 1.5x

hearty panther
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ye 1.5x

broken spade
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according to that steam guide at least

hearty panther
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2x the ogryns, at 1.5x hp for all elites

tall torrent
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Gunner is 2.1k / 1.8k

pastel yew
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isnt it just straight double?

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22

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at 22 you hit even

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23-25 you're doing increased damage

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yes but the damage you gain each shot is a reflection of the damage you lost each shot going backwards from the neutral point

hearty panther
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good

pastel yew
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10 shots is 1 stack of damage less, 9 is 2, 8 is 3

hearty panther
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if only it couldve butchered smite too

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IM TIRED OF REBOLBER

tall torrent
pastel yew
wanton dawn
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The hell is going on here

pastel yew
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except thats not what you're saying like

vale wraith
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Revolver is pretty fun, more so than plasma anyway

pastel yew
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I agree against crushers and bosses its more damage

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but if you need to hit something 22 times to recoup total lost damage

wanton dawn
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Well, I can make one big omelet with 2 tiny eggs

vale wraith
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It’s less annoying trying to kill things with a revolver on the team than with a plasma anyway

light ridge
wanton dawn
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I am stuck at family dinner. Ill check when i can skiddaddle

elder fiber
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Uh oh sounds like psyker needs some buffs

formal ice
broken spade
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when will fatshark let us air dodge?

elder fiber
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Yeah I'm extremely kidding

hearty panther
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shoulda just had EE active at all times smh

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easy noob mistake

pastel yew
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@tall torrent brittle stacks over 1 right? say your adm is 0.9 and you get 25%, that's 1.15 new value ye?

tall torrent
pastel yew
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is it not that way for regular solo play too?

tall torrent
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1 ADM, brittle and rending converts into +damage

pastel yew
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I would have thought zealot chilling

wanton dawn
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Sounds like me ngl

formal ice
vale wraith
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Relic is just immense value for one button

pastel yew
formal ice
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Seriously.

tall torrent
elder fiber
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Disagree lets nerf glugger more

terse idol
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Me as I sit in the back and hit VOC once

pastel yew
tall torrent
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Do note that +damage vs armor, +flank damage and +damage taken are not +damage

terse idol
formal ice
pastel yew
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werent the gunlugger nerfs like

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really really minor

tall torrent
pastel yew
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mhm

tall torrent
pastel yew
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from my understanding it was the uhh

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swap for damage node

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or something similar got shifted

vale wraith
pastel yew
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out of normal pathing

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again dont really agree with this

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easy =/= overpowered to me at least

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I think total output is a better measure of overpowered

broken spade
wanton dawn
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Not what he said though

pastel yew
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ogryn mains having like 2-3 good weapons, alas

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is the kick back really THAT good?

terse idol
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Ogryns when they gotta be balanced totally separate

broken spade
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making ogryn tree slightly worse on the patch where they add content where no one picks the ogryns
hilarious

terse idol
tall torrent
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Just want u to know that bully club and Karsolas exist on the same class and are intended to be played the exact same way

pastel yew
tall torrent
terse idol
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I mean

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They managed in vt2

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Its not like

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That bad

pastel yew
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ogryns in the tabletop dont really have many canon weapons tho

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and james workshop is tight fisted

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there was always gonna be variety problems

crisp oak
tall torrent
terse idol
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I'd be more scared balancing the 3 other classes in regards to every talent working on every weapon and blessing permutations and perk permutations that might change

crisp oak
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Some just have thrust so you have to wait a second

tall torrent
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Difference is, Karsolas is maybe like

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12x the dps of bully club?

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Possibly more?

pastel yew
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holy shit if true

crisp oak
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Sounds right

fervent mesa
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I'm stealth pilled now

broken spade
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i tried playing shield ogryn a few times recently
I despise h1 spamming

fervent mesa
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This is so good for support

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I'm not sure what gun to use though

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Prob just plasma

wanton dawn
crisp oak
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For stealth

terse idol
tall torrent
# pastel yew holy shit if true

Karsolas with headtaker + slaughterer max stacks has like 30 cleave

Will kill like 5 poxwalkers per attack and bleed the remaining 19

Bully club will hit (not kill) 3 poxwalkers and do 0 damage (only stagger) to the remaining like 8

terse idol
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Voc is ideal for support

crisp oak
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I like bolter knife

terse idol
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And well everything

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If your goal is only to pickup revive using stealth

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Ahhh that ain't support FlushedCry

crisp oak
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Its useful for pickups/objectives

fervent mesa
crisp oak
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And soloing

wanton dawn
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I like my support exe stance build. Support me or I die.

crisp oak
terse idol
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Voice of command

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Its good for objectives yeah

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It is a cost for your team because you're dropping agro which will go to your team

fervent mesa
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Oh yeah but infiltrate is just really comfy

crisp oak
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Also clutching

terse idol
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That's fair

crisp oak
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Infiltrate vet has almost the same clutchability as the zealot

pastel yew
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what is

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this game

crisp oak
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Having 2 charges makes it comparable

pastel yew
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I mean arent they just completely different abilities

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one being damage focusses one being primarily defence/util

crisp oak
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Fair

wanton dawn
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They both annoys me equally

pastel yew
tall torrent
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That’s with wrath I think
Headtaker + slaughterer goes up to 29.7 cleave

pastel yew
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having it stack to two does eat into the cooldown but

crisp oak
pastel yew
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you need to sit with stealth in your pocket for ig 30 seconds before having two charges does much

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nice for auric play but not sure I could sit that long without otherwise

crisp oak
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Also, stealth shredders

vale wraith
pastel yew
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30% damage

fervent mesa
pastel yew
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and objectives

pastel yew
fervent mesa
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Krak breaks it

pastel yew
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also the move speed... god you run so fast

crisp oak
pastel yew
crisp oak
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Yeah thats fair

fervent mesa
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I did a few runs and it did

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Haven't ran shredders though

crisp oak
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Try underhanding them

vale wraith
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If you hit directly with grenades it breaks you out I think

fervent mesa
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Ohhh

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But u wanna stick them kraks

tall torrent
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Wrath + headtaker on Karsolas is 67.5 cleave on heavy (break 17 Dreg ragers’ combo from 1 heavy attack)

pastel yew
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okay so.. throwing a krak breaks stealth. throwing 1 smoke doesnt but 2 does... and the same for frags

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why thats so weird

crisp oak
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Ogryn solos sound rough

wanton dawn
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Now do it outside of sycorax !

narrow frost
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Have you been able to use solo mod for your solo attempts or just a duo and the other persons leaves?

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I keep crashing

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When using solo

fervent mesa
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Thanks for testing

pastel yew
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kraks op I guess

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cant have you throwing those in stealth

wanton dawn
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I can respect that

pastel yew
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sounds like rsi sim

wanton dawn
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Unless its zealot whatthefuck_heresy

crisp oak
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I dont even know how one soloes gloriana non stealth

wanton dawn
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Guess that makes him qualified to do video guide on vet talent tree

crisp oak
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With the lateral shuttle

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Yeah

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How do you get the space to do the resetting of the faulty crystals?

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Ah

hearty panther
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the joestar secret technique of running

wanton dawn
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I think i have a fun video of az running around with a whole pack on his bacj

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A crap, he only make half a turn before going down KEKW_ogryn

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Ig it was the funniest shit

hearty panther
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what burg shall i get today

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wanton dawn
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Flamer seems darktidy

hearty panther
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"Did you want that crispy?"
me, having flashbacks:

fervent mesa
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Dorothy is what I would go for

hearty panther
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idk i am not gigantic on pickles

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i put up with it with these guys cause they know what theyre doin and i respect da craft

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but a lot of pickles hmmm

warm bolt
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Cucumbers are way better imo but i'd go with Mac wants a flamethrower

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Cause no way JIF peanut butter burger tastes better and lots of pickles doesnt sound appetizing either

hearty panther
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oh the peanut butter is bomb

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i have had it on a few of their burgers at this point

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and just in general

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if you have not pb'd a burger before, you oughta try it

warm bolt
hearty panther
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this is not a joke

warm bolt
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I will be real i ate peanut butter once in my life and did not like it

hearty panther
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oh

warm bolt
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But if that tickles your pink im not the one to stop you

hearty panther
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hmm

warm bolt
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Cause i ate garlic bread with nutella and loved it

hearty panther
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you really should try it, the PB stays hot on the meat and all the nutty flavour seeps in

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dont be too liberal in applying it, it doesnt take much

warm bolt
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So like just a lil bit right under the bun?

hearty panther
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under the top bun yea

warm bolt
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Damn thanks, im gonna try it the next time i'll be making burgers

hearty panther
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i mean if you are jsut trying it out id just put a dab on a seprated piece of hamburger

warm bolt
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Cause it does sound intriguing

hearty panther
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and go from there

crisp oak
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Or you can make a pb marinade for the burger

warm bolt
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The what

crisp oak
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You can make your own pb barbecue sauce basically, and use it while cooking the burger

hearty panther
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think of it like

warm bolt
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I got stunlocked by a phrase "PB barbecue sauce" but after i got past it it does sound at least sorta good?

hearty panther
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how a lot of thai cuisine uses nut oils

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its for da flavour

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da juicy oils

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adds body

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shit i think im gettin the peanut butter one at this point

warm bolt
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Lmao

pastel yew
hearty panther
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they do not do substitutions or omissions

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which i heavily respect

last peak
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Real. Never cave to picky eaters

terse idol
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Me as I remove ch_british

hearty panther
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i mean if i really gotta ill just do it myself

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but whatever im given ill try as is, unless its like a deadly allergen or something lmao

terse idol
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Like, no subs I get but, darn

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I don't wanna waste an item I'm not gonna eat

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I'll try it however ch_brittishsmirk

hearty panther
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u fucken better

midnight totem
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this game

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I just finished a havoc 40 dark communion

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and the game didn't update me as level 40

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still level 37 this week

vale cloak
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profane moment

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hearty panther
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da pickles are gud

midnight totem
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It's a known issue

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Goddammit

heavy rover
midnight totem
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Joined

heavy rover
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Yeah if you join another team it'll update your rank once havoc resets on Sunday

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But if you hosted then it'll update your rank instantaneously

midnight totem
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I've done a few havocs this weak since they fixed it

remote sonnet
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Nah, this morning some guy hosted his havoc 40. We done it and his still doesnt update.

midnight totem
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My havoc is a 39. The highest I've done this week before today is a 37

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Today I did a 40

remote sonnet
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Though, his attempts and maps reset.

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Which mean the mission is done.

midnight totem
#

Mine isn't updated, but my friends with me all updated to say 40

heavy rover
#

Ah I see

#

Yeah that is strange

remote sonnet
#

I did like 5 times havoc 40 this week.

heavy rover
#

Back end issue, maybe?

remote sonnet
#

And it is still 0 for me

light ridge
#

Been enjoying this one, not perfect stats but I do get my 5 dodges and everything else is close enough

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hollow ibex
#

literally unusable

light ridge
#

Why?

#

Kills everything that gets in my way

pastel yew
#

so it did the same to me

#

the havoc menu is not updating but...

#

the havoc rank by my name has

#

not sure if that means I'm fucked come reset tho

midnight totem
pastel yew
#

yeah it's fucked

pastel yew
#

crushers

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and it's not that fast for elites

#

though its a great horde clear weapon

remote sonnet
midnight totem
#

I'll try that when I get home

light ridge
hollow ibex
# light ridge Why?

it's a meme. someone posts a perfectly fine weapon that's a few percentage points off from perfection, and people call it literally unusable

light ridge
#

I see, I'm not up to date on the memes

vital wren
#

Yeah bonus points when it's a plasma gun as they are especially brutal to get perfect. Mine is like 1% off (in a mostly inconsequential way) and I call it trash all the time.

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Blame it for any fails etc

light ridge
#

Based on the earlier Recon discussion, I've settled on these two builds
I do miss FT on my VoC when fighting bosses but the trade off is that melee is bit better against everything

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midnight totem
remote sonnet
#

Still not 40?

midnight totem
#

nope

#

looks like I'm just going to have to host and complete my own 39

pastel pumice
#

If its still not working by now, I suggest taking a break from havoc

crude fiber
midnight totem
#

yeah one of my friends has that bug too

remote sonnet
#

Have you host your game and check yet?

midnight totem
#

yes

#

haven't finished one of my hosted games yet though

#

but my friend who hosted his 40, the one that completed

#

his went to havoc rank 0 lol

willow furnace
#

i cant get past level 21 havoc

#

no matter what i try or do

#

i am stupid and bad at the game

sleek garden
#

you are probably lacking certain things is all

willow furnace
#

yeah like a brain

keen nova
sleek garden
#

someone has to be able to mow down shooters

willow furnace
#

or the ability to do anything right

#

i do

keen nova
#

I was stuck on 22 for like a week

sleek garden
#

work on the block and dodge

willow furnace
#

ive been stuck on 21 for months

#

i do

sleek garden
#

thats impossible

willow furnace
#

its never enough

#

i told you im stupid

#

thats what this games taught me that I am a stupid dumb idiot

#

im just going to uninstall i dont deserve to have fun or enjoy things if i dont win'

sleek garden
#

goodbye forever

#

more havoc 21 for me

willow furnace
#

thanks

#

i wish i had never been born

keen nova
#

What if we blew up Dukane with like a grenade or something

#

Take her havoc bullshit and throw it off a bridge

vale wraith
keen nova
#

Believe it or not, randoms already do that for me

willow furnace
#

die once? say good bye to your auric exemplar level 30

#

time to start over

#

same with all other levels

#

if im too stupid to play the game i hope people whoa rent as stupid as me and can play well suffer as well at least

#

what is the best veteran build?

#

maybe i can try that as a last ditch effort and if i fail again i can just actually uninstall

keen nova
#

"Best build" is almost entirely subjective but shout with survivalist and weapon specialist seems to be the consensus

#

Plasma gun dueling sword

willow furnace
#

i use plasma gun chain sword because im STUPID

#

did i mention i am STUPID??

keen nova
#

Here's the build I use, mainly focused around shouting as often as possible with the plasma to deal with shooters and gunners

Shouting in coherency gives everyone gold toughness as you may know, which is integral to abuse in havoc

#

Use your shout and shredders for crowd control as necessary

tall torrent
tough tiger
#

this guy is baiting

#

do not feed the animals in the cage

keen nova
#

If you don't like DSword, Rashad Combat Axe is VERY strong on vet right now

tall torrent
#

Been strong for 1+ year

willow furnace
#

im stupid i told you

#

ive always been stupid and always will be

keen nova
#

Clam down big guy

willow furnace
#

because my parents were stupid and got together for stupid reasons and had stupid lil me

keen nova
#

Breathe

#

You're high on anger right now

willow furnace
#

no i deserve to die for not being perfect in every way every day

keen nova
#

Just breathe for a second and rationalize

tough tiger
#

le baiting continues

willow furnace
#

self hatred is good and expressing it openly is good because its humiliating

#

i deserve to suffer

keen nova
#

Fragging hell

queen gazelle
#

where did u find this?

willow furnace
# keen nova

thank you i will copy this build exactly and if i dont get better i will blame you for my failure

keen nova
#

I mean, I guess

willow furnace
#

i dont have ag ood dueling sword

#

does it make it better somehow to use a 500 rated weapon even if it does less damage??

willow furnace
#

i never take blame for anything i always blame others

willow furnace
radiant chasm
#

The damage stat is fixed per variant and is only the number for their first light and heavy attack

#

An 80% damage mark 4 dueling sword will always have the same damage as another 80% mark 4 dueling sword.

#

But the damage weapon type to weapon type won’t give you the feel for it’s armor damage vs various enemy types, the weapon’s speed etc

#

Tldr experiment

radiant chasm
tall torrent
keen nova
#

What's the dump stat for combat axes?

tall torrent
#

80 everything else

keen nova
#

Word

#

Rolled all 80s with 60 mobility

tall torrent
keen nova
#

We ball so bard

tall torrent
#

Brutal momentum
Headtaker
Carapace
Unarmored/elite

keen nova
#

Copy that

#

What makes it so good, anyway? I'm curious on how best to utilize it

tall torrent
#

It’s top 3 in like every category

#

Best horde clear
One of the best boss dps
One of the best carapace dps
Handles mixed hordes very well
Has no negative dodge properties

hearty panther
#

undeniable sex appeal

tall torrent
#

And it’s an axe so it’s instantly 10x cooler than most swords

hearty panther
#

which i noticed ur stupid guide doesnt rank at all

keen nova
#

I'm swinging it around in the Psykhanium and yeah, I can see that horde clear in full swing

hearty panther
#

neigh

keen nova
#

I don't see the point of the little uppercut though

keen nova
hearty panther
#

it staggers

tall torrent
hearty panther
#

and mostly serves no purpose

#

only the antax has a snappy enough one to be functional

tall torrent
keen nova
#

Rashad is the best variant yes?

tall torrent
#

Yes

hearty panther
#

no
(yes)

#

i vibe very hard with a deci ht antax

#

idk what it is but thats my truth

keen nova
#

I love the heavy attack chain though, you just go full Minecraft on a dude's helmet

unreal nova
#

If you feel good using it, it is always better imo.

#

Doesn't matter how good something is if it doesn't click for you.

keen nova
#

I didn't like the plasma gun but after using it for a bit, I am quite fond of it

hearty panther
#

rashad had its chance

#

it can sit in the corner and watch

#

antax can sit there too because i am a taxe stan

unreal nova
#

And yes, I feel the tacaxe is like a crappier DS4.

#

I would rather use any of the caxes instead.

willow furnace
#

because ims tupid

#

thats why i play this game to remind myself that i am stupid

willow furnace
pastel pumice
#

Well, cant say this on other's behalfs but im here for you, broski

#

Just know everyone goes at their own pace

willow furnace
#

no bullshit

#

you win or lose

#

if you fall behind that means youre genetically inferior and should be mocked and ridiculed for the rest of your life

#

no one needs a loser

#

winners get to eat

willow furnace
#

no ones here for anyone its dog eat dog

pastel pumice
#

That's another way to view life, but I'm afraid I don't see it that way personally

unreal bone
#

Anything new in the shop today?

#

I lost track of the shop reset.

pastel pumice
#

Yeah

unreal bone
#

what was added?

pastel pumice
#

A new rotation

#

Forgot the theme

#

But if you like gag hoods with smiles painted on them, sort of like a Halloween style, you're in luck

unreal bone
#

Anyone got the new rotation?

unreal bone
willow furnace
#

you just want me to fail youre trying to sabtoge me from getting voer level 21

pastel pumice
#

It's quite yucky, you're right

willow furnace
#

thats all anyone who shows sympathy is doing their trying to hurt the person their showing sympathy to its always a trick

pastel pumice
#

21 in Havoc?

willow furnace
#

yes

pastel pumice
#

It's difficult

willow furnace
#

im bad at the game

#

no its not

#

im stupid and bad at life thats the problem

pastel pumice
#

So why are you stuck on it

willow furnace
#

i am inherently inferior

#

because im stupid

#

i told you

pastel pumice
#

And what are you planning to do about it

willow furnace
#

stupid dumb idiot with stupid dumb idiot parents

#

im going to wait until my moms dead then hang myself

#

what else

#

until then i play games to remind myself why i am stupid and bad

latent parcel
#

What the frog

willow furnace
#

i just wish ic ould make myself suffer more for being stupid and bad at the game

#

lost another auric game

#

this build fucking sucks

#

i suck too though

#

everything i touch in life turns to shit

radiant chasm
#

Manic episode ig

willow furnace
#

no its just the truth

#

ifyou dont want to know dont interact with me

pastel pumice
#

You're in a public chat

willow furnace
#

so are you

pastel pumice
#

Quite hard for many to avoid you

willow furnace
#

then stop responding

pastel pumice
#

My fault

willow furnace
#

what do you need the last word? not even i am that insecure.

#

yes it is

#

see this is why i shouldve died as a child youd all be having a much happier time!!

tall torrent
#

U good?

pastel pumice
#

@tall torrent When was the last time that skin for the rashad in rotation btw

willow furnace
#

no i am inherently bad

tall torrent
pastel pumice
#

Was that the last time it was in rotation lol

tall torrent
pastel pumice
#

Lucky you

#

I'm waiting to see if they'll put it back into rotation

#

Or another cool skin comes out for it

tall torrent
pastel pumice
#

Would if it wasn't bright red

#

I do like the model though

crude fiber
#

The lack of weapon customization is a big negative for me tbh. Visually speaking

pastel pumice
#

Which drives people to get the attachment mods

tall torrent
#

Shame they made the game mad unstable

pastel pumice
#

Really is a shame, bugs are just the surface

crude fiber
#

Still haven't redone my mods since the update. Too lazy

pastel pumice
#

Quite shrimple actually

crude fiber
#

For sure

pastel pumice
#

Using NMM is an even better route if you want ease of access and less migraines

#

VMM*

short vapor
willow furnace
#

we've been over this

short vapor
willow furnace
#

ive tried 1000 times, I dont get better, Im stupid

#

its because of my stupid parents

#

i have bad genes and am a bad person, thats why I play darktide to remind myself of that

short vapor
#

You'll get there. I believe in you.

willow furnace
#

No, I wont. I am fundamentally unable to get better in all things, because I am stupid.

#

Trust me I know.

#

If you believe in me you're just a sentimental idiot.

still crater
frank ether
hearty panther
#

this is what exhilious came back to do

#

fascinating

frank ether
#

lmao ikr

keen nova
#

I think I need an adult

pastel pumice
#

Even adults need adults

short vapor
pastel pumice
#

What is the occasion this time

keen nova
#

Watching a grown man have a complete mental breakdown in the veteran chat wasn't on my 2025 bingo card

pastel pumice
#

Stamp it anyways

keen nova
#

So, messed around with the combat axe

#

It hits like a freight train but I find melee fodder slipping through my light chains

tough tiger
#

Are u usjng brutal momentum?

#

You need that for cleave

keen nova
#

Yes

#

It's less about the melee sweep itself and more that I will be finishing a swing and get smacked

tall torrent
#

Axe doesn’t have enough cleave to stagger everything in front of you so you’ll need to be smart and realize that it’s more than light spam forever

pastel pumice
#

Tell them your combo

#

For a mixed horde

keen nova
#

Generally if it's just light melee or rangers locked in melee I'm just smashing out lights at head level

hearty panther
#

that's just a coincidence

keen nova
#

Heavier guys get hit with a heavy or two

#

And that overhead chop hits like a truck

pastel pumice
#

this guy

tall torrent
willow furnace
pastel pumice
#

peak performance

#

The stunlock is peak

#

I have to get over my fear of Ragers

keen nova
pastel pumice
#

Twinsies

#

Scab ragers? They're fine

#

Dreg Ragers? Nah...

keen nova
#

The intensity director, deciding I've had enough fun, putting fifteen ragers in the next horde wave:

pastel pumice
#

Lmao

willow furnace
#

they dont do spawns the same way anymore

pastel pumice
#

like i said earlier, i'd rather a crusher + mauler wave

willow furnace
#

the spawns used to be more stacked

pastel pumice
#

Than a pure rager wave

willow furnace
#

one shot kill like 6 shotgunners

#

those were the days

tall torrent
pastel pumice
#

My bolter:

willow furnace
#

which is better bolter of plasma gun

tall torrent
#

~equal value in base game but they have different builds

#

Don’t quite play the same

pastel pumice
#

plasma for high burst of DPS in one shot

#

bolter is kinda the same, atleast the way i use and play with the 2 guns

#

but the delay in plasma's single shot firing is what turns me away

#

that is if I dont charge up before wanting to shoot the initial shot

empty root
tough tiger
#

But there are gaps in between for you to capitalize

pastel pumice
#

i know of their 8 hit combo

#

and gaps too

tall torrent
tough tiger
#

Then why are u still aftaid lol

pastel pumice
#

Just my movement and footing when it comes to them

empty root
#

As a vet just shoot them

pastel pumice
#

timing*

#

I dont have mob spawner

#

But I probably should get it

empty root
#

Back dodge and shoot or drop grenades at your feet

tacit sonnet
#

Ragers are literally helpless against it

tough tiger
#

Yeah but it gives u brainrot cuz its parry spam

empty root
#

Or plasma will delete a blob of 15 ragers as long as you are catching it before they surround you

tacit sonnet
#

Also true

tough tiger
#

Knives are great at fighting ragers with its mobility

tacit sonnet
#

After their attack speed nerf, it's at least possible

#

But I wouldn't say it's great

calm shard
tall torrent
#

Ragers have 2 combo attacks

tough tiger
#

On zealot it is thanks to duelist

tough tiger
#

That's just your timing being a bit off

calm shard
#

it's actually my ping being higher than 0ms

#

but I'll consider your words

pastel pumice
#

0 ms?

#

What is your ISP

#

You use ethernet?

calm shard
#

AT&T, but I live in the middle of nowhere and yes ethernet

#

I'm lucky that I get 80-ish ping on a good day with where I live

pastel pumice
#

Explains lol

tough tiger
#

Oof

pastel pumice
#

But mine isn't much better

#

So I feel that

tough tiger
calm shard
#

I also have a lot of "fun" with non regs

#

hear the hit sound, see the blood

#

enemy lives because server said no

#

or I headshot an enemy but it's actually a bodyshot with the headshot sound because server said no

pastel pumice
#

youre playing on a difficulty harder than H40

#

I pray for your success

calm shard
#

god knows why that's even necessary in a PvE game

tall torrent
pastel pumice
#

shoot @tall torrent

tall torrent
#

Lemme edit

pastel pumice
#

only vid i've seen was a random popup of Tanner's

#

and im not gonna analyze that video lol

#

and yeah take your time

balmy flume
#

London bound.
Will rejoin the fray soon KEKW_ogryn

hybrid urchin
#

What’s the easiest way to do the Make Every Shot Count penance?

tough tiger
#

@tall torrent question, which horde clears better? Deathblow hsword or relic blade

normal sparrow
sinful swallow
#

Just magdump the shield, shotguns only need a single pellet per shot to hit

marsh shard
#

Aside from ds/knife, what melee weapons are great at creating separation to chuck grenades?

sinful swallow
#

Shockmaul has good CC to give you breathing room

#

But otherwise you can always push attack and dodge backwards

tall torrent
hollow ibex
tough tiger
hybrid urchin
sinful swallow
#

If you're using shotgun you can also just point it at hordes pretty safely

tough tiger
tall torrent
#

843.75hp unarmored

tough tiger
#

😔

tall torrent
pastel pumice
#

My goat

#

Saving that

tall torrent
#

People think Dreg rager is much more threatening but this is simply not true most of the time

calm shard
#

i swear that dreg rager attack swings so fucking fast that it catches the startup of my dodges sometimes

#

I think they're much more threatening because thye take forever to kill in melee

#

with that dumbass maniac healthpool

tall torrent
#

Yea well, you got too far away that he’ll do his running combo (much faster)

tall torrent
#

They’re much more predictable because you can entirely bypass their threatening running combo by being close to them

#

They have much lower mass so you can hit more of them at the same time

#

And their standard combo is slower

frank ether
tall torrent
tired ember
calm shard
#

okay sure in a vacuum you can just be close to them

#

but when you're fighting a horde you're not going to be just standing there at close range just so dreg ragers can't snipe you

#

you're going to be dodging, sideways or backwards

#

you're going to be making distance from that rager either way

tall torrent
calm shard
#

it also means that dreg ragers that spawn in hordes, part of events, or just happen to aggro while you're doing something else are far worse

#

and that's the most common scenario that a rager appears in to begin with

#

scab ragers are only more dangerous in a vacuum with zero context as to how events unfold in game

#

dreg ragers are much more dangerous in every practical scenario that a rager would be a problem in

tall torrent
#

nah

#

did u not read what I sent

#

scab rager scales signficantly higher in density

#

a relic blade with full wrath stacks can stagger 11 dreg ragers with heavy attacks at once (break combo)

#

it'll only be able to stagger 5 if they were scab ragers and that's if you don't get cleave blocked from hitting their carapace torso from any 1 of them

hybrid urchin
calm shard
#

oh wow the RELIC BLADE the most OVERPOWERED melee wepaon in the game doesn't struggle against them

tall torrent
#

the only scenario where dreg rager is significantly more threatening than scab rager is if your weapon has horrendously bad maniac ADM

calm shard
#

that makes scab ragers so much more dangerous of course /s

tall torrent
#

what do u want to compare to then

calm shard
#

how about the 2 top tiers for vet that do worse into them than scab ragers this is vet chat after all

#

power sword and combat axe

tall torrent
#

combat axe can stagger up to 3 dreg ragers with PA (2 immediately, 3 with headtaker stacked from first hit)

calm shard
#

both of them will just one shot a scab rager because of their high flak damage, but dreg ragers will just survive the hits and have to be staggered

tall torrent
#

combat axe can hit only 1 scab rager with PA regardless of headtaker stacks

#

what one shot lol

#

in what world is combat axe consistently one shotting scab ragers

#

you'd need crits and several dmg buffs active (usually from red nodes)

#

power sword's case is even worse because you cannot 1 tap them with heavy attacks

#

only push attack may be able to 1 shot them but you directly expose yourself to multiple threats that can immediately end your power cycler combo

#

power sword can stagger 3 dreg ragers at base when powered, but only 2 scab ragers

#

with sunder, power sword can stagger 11~12 dreg ragers at once, but only 5 scab ragers

calm shard
#

of course you're saying all this shita bout staggering dreg ragers like that isn't going to just get them to spam their overtuned lunging combo more

#

and again in a vacuum where only ragers exist

#

which seems to be all your arguments

tall torrent
#

you've not given a single context in which dreg rager is much worse

#

they have the same attack range and the same damage

calm shard
#

same attack range and same dmage, but one is more durable and attacks faster

#

and you think the squishier slower attacking one is more dangerous

tall torrent
#

what more durable lol

#

combat axe and power sword have the same breakpoint for both of them

#

combat axe 3 light atks, power sword 2 energized light atks

#

you're very uninformed here I'm sorry

marsh shard
#

Chain Axe is the answer

wanton dawn
#

Dreg rager are faster ? Idk i just came i havent followed

tall torrent
severe gale
hollow ibex
wanton dawn
#

Am pretty sure there was a patch a while ago on dreg. Then scab got changed too this patch with carapace on body

marsh shard
tall torrent
#

running combo still same (super fast) but it's predictable based on distance

calm shard
#

in my defense I did forget it was overpowered because every person I see using it snaps in half the moment they have to melee anything

wanton dawn
#

Okay den

tall torrent
#

unlike scab rager who can randomly throw running combo in regardless of distance

and has faster standard combo atk speed

and has lower delay between combos

calm shard
#

mostly because bad players hear that it's meta and then don't use it in the way that makes it meta

wanton dawn
#

What was the argument btw ?

calm shard
#

that scab ragers are more threatening than dreg ragers

wanton dawn
#

Woah. You all got a lot of free time

tall torrent
#

I just posted a video and gun psyker enjoyer is nitpicking on why dreg rager is still much more threatening even in front of evidence

severe gale
#

dreg ragers only appear more threatening due to them being more common

#

a pack of scab ragers will often be a larger threat than a pack of dreg ragers, provided you aren’t using a weapon with awful maniac ADMs

wanton dawn
#

The most threatening is the one for which i lack the dmg node on my ps

#

Atm i guess scab is more dangerous in a vacuum due to hitmass really. Especially if dreg speed was nerfed. Consistent with my current IG feeling ngl

hollow ibex
#

didn't realize dregs attack slower than scabs lol

#

i guess fatshart overnerfed dregs

#

make dregs great again

tall torrent
#

nah they're fine

wanton dawn
#

They used to be speedy sanic

tall torrent
#

because u can still very easily punish yourself by dodging too far away from them, thus triggering their much more dangerous running combo

#

this holds especially true for knife and duelling sword

wanton dawn
#

I still don't understand ds. Sure its safe but it is poor poor poor against trash

calm shard
#

you don't use it to kill trash

#

or well unless you have to anyways

#

zealot with flamer

#

veteran with shredders

#

psyker with flame staff

#

and then you murder every elite with your toothpick sword

wanton dawn
#

Guess thats why am always on trash duty (on top of the rest) when ds are around

hollow ibex
#

it's still usable against trash tbf

wanton dawn
#

Autopistol is still usable too

hollow ibex
#

well killing hordes with a DS doesn't waste resources

midnight totem
#

Give my stealth vet power fist

#

POWER FIST

hollow ibex
#

and even if it's not great, it's still serviceable

wanton dawn
#

I'll try hsword next. I dont think ds fits me

empty root
#

DS is personal survival through mobility and insane damage against high threat stuff that gets on top of you like mutants, crushers, ragers. You also assume the role of crowd control is taken by a psyker or ogryn

calm shard
#

flame staff and shredders don't waste resources either

empty root
#

If you have a random party with no good crowd control I would take shovel or power sword

wanton dawn
#

Thats my bad. I never assume someone will pick up my slack

wooden stirrup
#

What's the attack pattern for the assault chain sword?

hollow ibex
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which one?

wooden stirrup
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Idk

willow furnace
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WHAT IS THE BEST veteran build

wooden stirrup
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What are the more meta options

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For marks

empty root
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It's something you take in havoc 30+ when you know crowd control is taken

wooden stirrup
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Not familiar with the weapon

tall torrent
wanton dawn
willow furnace
deep bone
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TBH chainsword is kinda mid now

wooden stirrup
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I know it's not exactly S tier but chain sword is atleast decent for veteran right?

tough tiger
willow furnace
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chainswords shit

wanton dawn
tall torrent
midnight totem
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I like the chainsword as a meta pick for vet 😦

tough tiger
willow furnace
deep bone
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For Single Target just use DS

wooden stirrup
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Ah the parry mechanic?

deep bone
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I personally use Power Sword cause I enjoy it

wooden stirrup
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Idk I found the power sword too slow

wanton dawn
tall torrent
deep bone
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Trusty Shovel is also good lol

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Bonk Weapon

empty root
deep bone
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I FW the Shock Maul

willow furnace
wooden stirrup
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The duelist sword does great single target damage but I don't like how slow it is at horde clearing

deep bone
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That’s cause it’s not a horde clearing weapon tbh

wooden stirrup
wooden stirrup
deep bone
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Its main thing is Single Target

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If you want horde clearing then Shovel is Good

empty root
wooden stirrup
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Idk I'm just a bit spoiled with high cleave weapons like Ogryn's shield, fgs, and relic blade probably

wanton dawn
willow furnace