veteran-class

[latent parcel]

why agile? just curious

[wanton dawn]

Its the core of the build

[latent parcel]

lemme peep that node again

oh ya i could see it

i usually dont grab kraks tho so 3 points 😦

[analog jolt]

What talent line(?) should I go for? The one in the left, middle, or right?

guys?

[unreal nova]

You just gotta go with the playstyle you want.

I skip all vet keystones for one and meme with 'nades.

VoC is fairly OP and survivalist is mandatory in havoc.

[analog jolt]

VoC?

[wary spoke]

Stub revolver is insane

Also can anyone explain to me the difference between damnation, auric and havoc

What do I get out of them etc.

[tough tiger]

Damnation is base difficulty, it adjusts enemy stats like hp/dmg, horde density, frequency and maybe some other stuff

Auric is just bigger hordes and more spawns with more dangerous modifiers

Havoc is balls to the wall, only has a select number of modifiers but enemies are mega buffed and extremely punishing to get hit by

[hasty rain]

Havoc is just auric on 11

[tough tiger]

Yeah just imagine auric but even harder

Its so restrictive that only a handful of builds are viable that high up

Whereas with auric and below you can play with any build as long as you are good

[hasty rain]

If you're really good you can carry a bad team mate (usually a knife zealot fresh out of Malice)

But on havoc carrying someone is a real strain

[tough tiger]

You cant really carry unless the emperor is watching over you

The immediate loss in dmg from a downed teammate is really noticeable

If u dont go down next to someone, it's very hard to recover

[viscid flax]

meta question for the meta dudes: What perks/Blessings for havoc 30+ on plasma guns?

flak, unyielding, maniac, elites.. i am torn

[tough tiger]

Flak carapace for me

[hasty rain]

Yeah same

[tough tiger]

Unyielding is for the dueling sword

[viscid flax]

same goes for power sword other than cycler... i just cant decide

[hasty rain]

Maybe unyielding

[grand perch]

i went flak elite

most carapace i dealt with psword

blessings get hot and focused cooling

[viscid flax]

not blaze away? thats interesting

i might try the cooling perk

i love the dueling sword but i struggle with mass trash enemies to clear

[pearl shore]

Blessings for Bolt Pistols lads?

[tough tiger]

Logic behind that might be to max out shots per volley since you're not gonna be oneshotting anything anyway

[viscid flax]

i like pinning fire and bleed/the one that gives crit on ads

[hasty rain]

Bleed and weakspot dmg i think

[grand perch]

pretty much that, the faster shot speed i didnt find so important

(from optimised cooling)

[hasty rain]

+100% weakspot damage on a bolt pistol of all things lowers hit to kill by at least 1 shot across the board

[tough tiger]

Lethal proximity procs on your shredder frags so you can considerthat blessing if you are a grenade abuser

[pearl shore]

tyty

[hasty rain]

Its kinda insane the game never tells you about this interaction either

[warm bolt]

The game doesnt tell you lots of things actually

[grand perch]

well it kinda does tell you

[tough tiger]

Well tbf, the game only says increased radius with no mention of your bistol specifically

[grand perch]

it says +25% explosion radius

[pearl shore]

says explosions radius so yeah

[warm bolt]

Like how helbore 50 cleave blessing actually reduces enemy mass to 0.5 so you get more pen

[grand perch]

wait thats what it does behind the curtains?

[warm bolt]

Apparently

[grand perch]

plausible with spaghetti code

[warm bolt]

It either halves enemy mass or reduces it to 0.5 from 1

[tough tiger]

Obese megalodon code is kinda like well, techinicallyyyyyyy.... 🤓

[warm bolt]

This is what it does in better words

Praise be the veteran guide

[tough tiger]

Huge blessing for cleave

[grand perch]

if only they used path's clearer wording within the game

[tough tiger]

Maybe they're afraid of overwhelming new players

I cant think of another reason why they would withhold actual game changing info

[warm bolt]

Iirc they said that's the reason, yep

Cause "add 50 cleave" is easier than "your shots consider enemy's mass as half compared to their actual mass which means you pen more"

[tough tiger]

Welp, what lever they're keeping we'll find out anyway

[slow spade]

I wish it was literally 50 cleave

It'd be a lot funnier

[warm bolt]

Dude i thought i'd be melting hordes because of it

[tough tiger]

Infinite ammo and no overheat plasma basically

[grand perch]

IF you hit heads

[tough tiger]

Which you should be doing anyway xd

[warm bolt]

Yeah you gotta hit heads and it doesnt just fucking obliterate hordes like bolt round

[slow spade]

I mean only on headshots so you wouldn't be melting hordes due to where their heads typically are

[warm bolt]

I thought it'd be the meme of "poor bastard exploded"

[warm bolt]

Yeah but with some sights it's difficult

Also 5 gunners on your arse might make it harder

[tough tiger]

Imagine if actual kriegers had that much penetration on their helbores

[warm bolt]

But yeah with helbore you're ought to be hitting heads anyways, but you're supposed to hunt elites with it not horde clear

[warm bolt]

[tough tiger]

Those khornate berserkers are just advanced target practice

[warm bolt]

Vraxx would've been over in a day

Just 360 no scope the fortress

Kill the guy in charge

[analog jolt]

What guns do you guys recommend? ((for beginners)

Or just stuff that I should watch out for when I unlock themm

[tough tiger]

Vraks 5 autogun

And then plasma gun

[warm bolt]

Autoguns i dont really get but i heard they're good

Plasma is decent too but is pretty funky

Recon lasgun is nice cause it's forgiving you way more than some other options

Basic infantry las isnt to be slept on either or so i've heard?

[analog jolt]

ah

but like

[tough tiger]

U need aim

Like with helbore

[analog jolt]

what about the marks and stuff

[tough tiger]

Marks?

Ah

[analog jolt]

like mkIIB and stuff

[warm bolt]

Marks dont really matter cause mastery rework

[odd sparrow]

Some autoguns have insane crit/weakspot multipliers

[tough tiger]

Speaking of mk2b, bolter is great, but you need to keep your trigger finger under control

100 rounds might seem like plenty but you magdump in 2 seconds

[warm bolt]

Yeah it's great and a pure dopamine machine but it's so easy to magdump into a horde, lose all ammo and go without any ranged options for a while

[hasty rain]

And you get very little back

[analog jolt]

h

[warm bolt]

Bolt pistol might be an easier way into boltgun but im not sure tbh

[dire olive]

Las pistol is also a shout (probably the best las weapon)

[hasty rain]

The only real reason you'd take pistol over gun for mobility reasons

[tough tiger]

Bpistol gets u into the habit of single shots for the bolter

[warm bolt]

Arent you supposed to do that?

Am i getting my wires crossed?

[tough tiger]

Cuz u dont have to full auto to kill stuff fast

[slow spade]

Depends

"Oops 40 ragers" needs the full auto

[dire olive]

Scab Mauler Saturday

[warm bolt]

Okay fair lol

[tough tiger]

Everyday is scab mauler saturday in havoc

[slow spade]

Never gets old

[hasty rain]

Heavily armoured, hard hitting enemies that are mostly man sized and take like, 7 steps into an overhead?

Yeah sign me up

[slow spade]

Yippie c:

[warm bolt]

This is why we need a melta

Best Jurgen impression

Damn nice Nurgle's blessing shitass, have you considered this

[slow spade]

I mean we do have krak grenades

Which is "melta in a can"

[tough tiger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1304047131379892245/giggling.mp4?ex=67728608&is=67713488&hm=48d3c30b718b22303e6383c0b07cb3780347a028a471ab3f87e5c8b55ec8ed13&

[warm bolt]

Fair, fair

[warm bolt]

[tough tiger]

Laughing maulers never gets old

[warm bolt]

It's like the pointing cat meme

[tough tiger]

I wish there was a mod that replaces all mauler voicelines with the laugh

[warm bolt]

Just this

[warm bolt]

Lmao

All voicelines are mauler laugh

[slow spade]

There's a mod that makes trappers laugh 24/7 :p

[tough tiger]

Wheres the mod that replaces crusher footsteps with squeaky toy sounds

[slow spade]

https://youtu.be/s705yanrGko?si=BVxknLzpOAcwyhXd

[slow spade]

Sadly I only know the mod that makes player ogryns get squidward footsteps :c

[warm bolt]

Dude that sounds hilarious

[warm bolt]

Or clown sheos

[hasty rain]

Now time for 4 ogryns

[umbral scaffold]

Is my fatshark name the name of my 5 characters???

[warm bolt]

[dry cloak]

no

[forest breach]

Full auto bolter and people still tweaking with single shots, bro just unload that thing

[unreal nova]

But but but my deadshot bonus.

[forest breach]

Baby cry

[tawny timber]

Don't waste ammo. Wait for the clean shot

[forest breach]

Tweaker spotted, the emperor has blessed you with a fully automatic rocketpropelled grenadelauncher and you use it in baby mode

[tawny timber]

me on gunker dumping 3 magazines from the vraks iag into a burgle

https://tenor.com/view/titus-warhammer-chad-space-marine-2-gif-10665446803840407692

[forest breach]

Besides its not wasted if in the end heretic dead

[tawny timber]

mfw you only get 100 shots

[tawny timber]

oh hurray 5 more rounds

[pastel pumice]

Who's gonna tell him about havoc

I love shooting wantonly into a crowd with my bolter as much as the other guy

But

[tawny timber]

bolter is for shooting poxwalkers

a fact of life

[pastel pumice]

This guy gets it

Matter of fact, you shoot them when a teammate goes in for the shove

[tawny timber]

even better

make sure they arent getting any kills with their swingsa

no toughness for those losers

[pastel pumice]

It's unfortunate some people do panic

And they actually shoot poxbursters when s teammate is shoving

Poxwalkers suree

[tawny timber]

this one is a classic

[pastel pumice]

Bursters no...

[tawny timber]

I have done it on accident once or twice ngl

[pastel pumice]

We've all done it

[tawny timber]

mfw zealot goes flying

[pastel pumice]

It's that heroic mentality that kicks in sometimes

[frank ether]

I'm starting to relate to the emperor on not giving guardsman proper weapons

[tawny timber]

one time i barrelled my whole ass team off the map in the train station assassination

[frank ether]

mfs shooting boltgun on poxies

[pastel pumice]

Oh brodie...

[frank ether]

perhaps I was too harsh on Big E

[tawny timber]

i thought i was just gonna deal some damage to the boss

nah

i threw the game

[pastel pumice]

He'd bubble

Bolter is fun, but people disregard it's low ammo reserves

I love it when a crusher wave spawns

[tawny timber]

degubopdumnem degubopdumnem

https://tenor.com/view/gold-scar-fortnite-og-meme-gif-16336600376003879735

[pastel pumice]

[tawny timber]

fgs users when stage 2 warp slice is charged and a mixed horde approaches

[pastel pumice]

(They are doomed)

[tawny timber]

krak users when a carapace patrol

(who tf use krak)

(me for the fucking 500 armored enemies penance)

[unreal nova]

Throw in puncture bolt pistol side for extra memes.

[midnight totem]

I actually find bolter has much more ammo then one might expect

Since my usual choice of weapon is the revolver

[hollow ibex]

yeah the ammo economy isn't terrible if you're not spraying

[dry cloak]

115 to 57 is a difference

[wary spoke]

@tough tiger thx

[midnight totem]

Bolter for high havoc, I often have enough ammo if I use it conservatively to give zealots the ammo

And still be able to magdump sudden rager onslaughts or pick off numerous small shooters and gunners

Puncture is very nice

[hasty grove]

Had a pretty good boss run I’m rather happy with. Can any fellow Veterans much more experienced than myself tell me how I’m doing?

[midnight totem]

Doing good! Your greatest sin however. Is not joining in the team building ritual crouching in the elevator

That being said, Rev attacks on the chainsword will take down the captain's shield much quicker then regular melee and bolt pistol

[hasty grove]

I like to play into the Guardsmen being the “straightman” of the groups

I imagine while they were doing that my gal was just standing there like

https://tenor.com/view/red-dead-redemption-rdr2-arthur-morgan-confused-wtf-gif-16103884

[wanton dawn]

Its good. Try not to shoot shield (unless dedicated build, or desperate), do not turn your back to the boss if you are the target

[hasty grove]

I’m not entirely sure if it works this way

But me shooting his shield is moreso me trying to get his attention rather than deal big damage

[wanton dawn]

In general boss will look at big damage first. Poke shot wont trigger his attention

[hasty grove]

Damn 😔

Im a simple, egotistical monkey brained woman

I like to duel the bosses cus it makes me feel cool

[wanton dawn]

It's fine. You can hit it with your melee, it is better habit in general

Shield is very resistant to ranged damage

And the boss ranged is more dangerous than his melee

[latent parcel]

hey Maff u bring the recon lasgun into high havocs?

[wanton dawn]

No. I dont like recon to begin with

[latent parcel]

ah ok

i need a different mark i think. this shit aint cuttin it

[wanton dawn]

And i played like, 15 havocs total ? I am still a h40 baby

[latent parcel]

sad

you've been on holiday tho havent ya

[wanton dawn]

Yup

[hollow ibex]

what mark you using atm?

[latent parcel]

uhh 12

[wanton dawn]

Though i guess i can play a bit now ? My setup is not great though

[hollow ibex]

i think mk6 is better tbh

[latent parcel]

ok ill swap

hows ammo economy?

[hollow ibex]

it's better

[hasty grove]

THANK YOU

[latent parcel]

dope il lgive it a shot

[hollow ibex]

unless you're literally just tapping for burn and then switching to melee

[hasty grove]

IM NOT THE ONLY ONE

[latent parcel]

nah im killing with it

[hollow ibex]

also not a fan of mk12's slowdown on movement (while firing)

[hasty grove]

The recon lasgun feels weird and is very uncomfortable for me to use

[hollow ibex]

and slow draw speed

[latent parcel]

hit me if u wanna game all i got is a 34

[wanton dawn]

Cant join voice chat but alright

[latent parcel]

thats fine

[formal osprey]

that gun is dope i use it all the time

[wanton dawn]

I think you are into big oomph gun then

[formal osprey]

its melting

[hasty grove]

Real, as the orcs say

I want some proper dakka’

[hollow ibex]

it's good, i prefer mk6 for my playstyle though

[latent parcel]

ive only done 12 in high havocs and the time to kill seems to low for my liking

[wanton dawn]

Try plasma when you can. Don't try to use charged shot though

[latent parcel]

ill give the 6 a shot rn

[hasty grove]

I use it with my Kasrkin build!

[hollow ibex]

idk if 6 ttk is going to be better tbh

[formal osprey]

when the others dont stick together and everyone is in fov somewhere i just melt the enemies on them

[hollow ibex]

it's mostly better ergonomics/ammo economy

[hasty grove]

Bolt pistol, Bolter, Helbore, and Plasma are my fav weapons

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, definitely bing oomphf

[latent parcel]

uhh what should i use then

[arctic rampart]

watup vets

[hasty grove]

I choose my gear purely based off of vibes and learn to work with it loll

[wanton dawn]

Am gonna bring my meta build. Don't expect top perf I am not in optimal condition

[formal osprey]

everyone talks about builds and what to use but nobody talks squad play and stick together stuff talking about the public servers

[hasty grove]

If hipfiring into a poxwalker horde doesn’t reduce the entire thing to a fine red mist iont wanna

[midnight totem]

Stick together?

Next to those smelly zealots?

[latent parcel]

ur good man idc

im memein

[wanton dawn]

Am bad

[arctic rampart]

no, never stick next to zealots. stick to everyone else

[formal osprey]

i mostly stick to the big guy cuz he slow af

if he faces forwards i turn around and cover his back on objectives

[hasty grove]

Same, but I like to hide behind them 😔

[arctic rampart]

lucky, I rarely see ogryns. I only do random missions though cause all my friends quit this game

[formal osprey]

i see them all the time

[arctic rampart]

y u gotta hog em

[formal osprey]

i only play public and have 0 friends in darktide 😄

there is always the looter 200m behind and the rusher 200m infront

i just stick to the guy that coops

[arctic rampart]

all I see is other veterans, space wizards, and zealots that never use fire nades. broo nobody else needs nades dangit

[hasty grove]

I play pubs whenever I cant harass my boyfriend enough to play with me

[formal osprey]

my build is for nades 😄

[arctic rampart]

yeah but vets don't count for nades cause every vet takes at least the 1m replenish perk if not demo team..

[formal osprey]

got the game few weeks back got only 80h in havent played the other classes but i like the veteran for the fps thing

no i have the 5% chance grenade on spec or elite kill or smthin

it counts for everyone

forgot in details

[midnight totem]

It does not

[formal osprey]

well i get grenades all the time

[midnight totem]

Only counts for you

As in, you can get grenades from other people killing

[minor meteor]

Very good talent though

[formal osprey]

but still grenades are comin 😄

[midnight totem]

But your zealot and ogryn can't get them

[formal osprey]

oki

i just saw the build in yt

its left center middle mostly with left and right a bit

[crimson pebble]

if im not mistaken a long time ago it did gives allied nades but no longer

[midnight totem]

Fantastic node though, probably a staple of my havoc vet builds

Also, grenades from ammo crates

[formal osprey]

no i dont have that one

[arctic rampart]

Demolition stockpile and demolition team

[midnight totem]

I had an auric mael hab drekyo once where, we were getting swarmed on the escape

[formal osprey]

i played krak but then switched to shred its better

[midnight totem]

And I found the ammo crate

[arctic rampart]

team is actually so good in maelstrom.. 5% chance to gain 1 blitz (unless full) whenever a specialist or elite enemy is killed by you or AIC.

[formal osprey]

dunno but sometimes it feels like 50%

[midnight totem]

I threw 15 frags in 15 seconds

[arctic rampart]

yeah like when you get the super bunched up hounds in maelstrom or 5000 poxburster chain

[midnight totem]

Got us out of that clusterf

[formal osprey]

i really really like how the game runs

like its perfect

[arctic rampart]

even with 9800x3d and 4070ti the game is kind of shit in performance by default. had to turn down volumetric fog and some other setting to get rid of micro stutters

[formal osprey]

default sux

[wanton dawn]

Rofl, I have like, 3500ms

[formal osprey]

i had to do like 6 things

now mostly max out with dlss framegen 3440x1440 and rtx on high vsync on its perfect got 9800x3d also

[latent parcel]

that sucks

lol

[wanton dawn]

maybe try a standard match

[latent parcel]

uhh

maelstrom?

or what

[wanton dawn]

we can try

you are on us server ?

[arctic rampart]

Did you have to play F-U-scalpers madness ? I had a real trouble getting the chip. Had to sign up for alert website for like 1 week and then it took ~2 weeks further to ship to me

[latent parcel]

ya

where you at

[formal osprey]

no i got it on the normal price it was the last one in stock

[wanton dawn]

eu

[latent parcel]

uhh u can host eu doesnt bug me

[wanton dawn]

First thing first, i need to reco

[arctic rampart]

https://media.tenor.com/kuZHCfoeWH4AAAAM/david-rose.gif

You must be on the east coast if EU doesnt bother you. Its pretty shit going from west coast => EU

[wanton dawn]

Well, the problem is my connection atm, not his. Am not playing from my normal place either

[arctic rampart]

Back in mom's basement?

[formal osprey]

i just got [15 mins ago] stamina +3 from brunt lol

😄

[wanton dawn]

More or less

[arctic rampart]

It's funny how as your hours progress in the game how much more you value stamina

[formal osprey]

i like the sound/art/colors/ so much

default game is 2 washed out nvidia filters really make it better

@arctic rampart did you enabled rebar for darktide ? i used nvidia inspector

[arctic rampart]

Nope

wondering if I should install 24H2 windows 11 update

[formal osprey]

i cant tell you how much the fps improved cuz i dont have afterburner only shadowplay and the overlay shows only 99% but performance is + and game is better

im on win10 cuz fk 11 xd

[formal osprey]

we just finished a mission with 4 veterans 😄 was like star wars/doom

[arctic rampart]

https://www.capframex.com/ this is a good tool to determine that. play a match or two and get metrics, then do the same after your change

[formal osprey]

ye i saw that app will try it sometimes though i dont really trust in metrics im more of a ''how the game feels '' guy

darktide runs better with vsync on

[arctic rampart]

It's free and pretty neat, it shows you 1% lows (stutter times) and fps over the course of the match.

[formal osprey]

oki 10x just saw joker vid about it i follow him he makes good content

[formal osprey]

wanna play ?

[devout geyser]

What’s y’all’s opinion on stealth vet?

[tropic notch]

Not really good and way to point inefficient

It’s just best to go shout or exe stance

[grand perch]

the weakest of the three for the most part but still good

[tropic notch]

Will say it’s good cause it’s stealth

[devout geyser]

Oof

[tropic notch]

But zealots just makes it look terrible

30 seconds compared to vets 45

[wanton dawn]

finally got a good game out of this mess

[latent parcel]

lol

[tropic notch]

And zealots insane cooldown

[latent parcel]

when u got me with those bursters i was laughing so hard

fkn rekt

[wanton dawn]

I was aiming at the trapper !

Gotchu a green stim so I did nuthing

[latent parcel]

lolol

i thought it was hilarious ngl

that was fun tho

[devout geyser]

I’m planning on making a stealth vet with the knife and revolver.

[latent parcel]

u kept killing all the bosses 😦

[wanton dawn]

green boss is always fun

[latent parcel]

i had like 3 kraks at all times cuz they were all dead

[wanton dawn]

Force of habit i guess

[latent parcel]

either way lunch time. ggs! maybe havoc when ur back on ur PC

[wanton dawn]

It

gonna have to wait next year

[tropic notch]

The blessings you’d want is mercy killer and uncanny

On knife

[arctic rampart]

I gotta go but be down to play later. GL fellow vet!

[formal osprey]

oki dm when you wanna go purge

we should really make 4 vets sqd

its just natural

[grand perch]

enough idiots with a stockpile of grenades can solve any problem

[pastel yew]

precog is also dope

[fading yarrow]

When the hell did Rolling Steel get ruined

Why is it easy now

[hollow ibex]

wdym ruined

it's actually playable with pubs now

and you don't need to spend half the round playing the stupid minigame

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

[orchid hemlock]

Most unique vet build

[midnight totem]

I thought the most unique vet build was power sword and plasma gun

[pastel yew]

rolling steel was always pretty dogshit

now it's just less offensively dogshit

no variation, just hold W, weird sniper spawns with lasers that pass through objects

I dont agree with the timer changes but

at least they toned down the horrible keep the ball centred game mode so one player isn't literally standing afk for 10% of the total run

[fading yarrow]

WEAK

[rugged sorrel]

The Powersword still deactivating when gettin' hit?

[narrow frost]

YES

*caps

[pastel yew]

weak? maps just bad design

it's only positive is cool captain boss fight and cool aesthetic

[rugged sorrel]

I dont have a emoji for the anguish I'm feeling over it still being broken

[pastel yew]

in every other department its bad

[rugged sorrel]

[fading yarrow]

Weak bloodline

[arctic rampart]

just don't get hit. dodges are op

AFAIK that's always been a thing to deactivate on hit. I might be wrong

[junior needle]

It'd be a shame if the peesword had comparably gimped dodges

Terrible shame

[fading yarrow]

Old Rolling Steel was properly intense and demanded effortful team cohesion and was extremely fun for being so demanding

Bad players =/= bad map

Now it's braindead lol

[tall torrent]

Not broken, it’s intended behaviour

[arctic rampart]

Well the dodging is already pretty trash compared to knife or ds4. Are you asking for it to be worse than like rashad?

[tall torrent]

Rashad has better dodges than power sword

[junior needle]

Rolling steel is the train? Had no problems with randobobs the few times I played it near release. Only thing was people just couldn't do the minigame.

And to be fair, it's not exactly intuitive

[trim steppe]

I just played rolling steel about 10 times last night and most people still can't do it

[arctic rampart]

Mmm I haven't used rashad that much, not really since beta time. Isn't the dodge distance similar? Does rashad have 5 dodges?

Oh yeah, 1 more dodge. K

[tall torrent]

Combat axe is 5 dodges, +1% dodge distance
Power sword is 4 dodges, -12% dodge distance

Big difference

[fading yarrow]

How is it not intuitive? As soon as the ball hits the wall and buzzes red, it's pretty clear how it works imo

[trim steppe]

I played with a lvl 400 vet on train last night, and when we lost to the timer after dragging ass the whole way he said "Oh this is timed?" Happens all the time still

[narrow frost]

There is such thing as returning players

[trim steppe]

I'm just saying I'm constantly in train lobbies with people who don't know how / can't do the mission, for whatever the reason. Lowest win rate of any map by a big margin

[hearty panther]

no there isn't. you play until you fucken die.

[arctic rampart]

I quit after beta for a year, so yeah there is

[narrow frost]

You see

It was a joke

[junior needle]

Perhaps I'll play again when something of interest gets added

[narrow frost]

Sex update next week

I got inside information

[junior needle]

If I can't yell for the emperor during it then I don't want it

[sullen jacinth]

Still waiting for the skunk regiment update. The more fire the better

[sullen jacinth]

It's actually a cadia update. We get to keep a piece of it as curio

[devout geyser]

Would you rather me run slabshield ogryn?

[junior needle]

Mmmm cadian dirt in a jar

[junior needle]

Autopistol and caxe without brudal

[pastel yew]

old rolling steal just needed you to hold W and not be stupid, I dont think it was that much harder than other maps, short straight map

[odd sparrow]

The problem with old rolling steel was that a signicant delay early enough in the run would basically doom the mission

[trim steppe]

Old train and new train were both easy if you had 4 people who knew how to do it. Or even 3. But 50% of the time you get a fresh 30 who just got out of malice doing auric damn and a lvl 600 returning player who doesn't know it's timed camping out 3 train cars back and getting squished

[terse idol]

Just don't get delayed

And the issue is it only takes 1 person

AND

How do folks not know it's timed when there's literally a timer on their screen

Goodness

[trim steppe]

Well, a progress bar. The timer is a mod isn't it?

[midnight totem]

its not

[trim steppe]

But yeah I can't solo carry auric train because by the time I run back and forth twice with both batteries and swat away tox bombers the timer is too far gone to solo the boss shield down in time

[steady wolf]

I've done this multiple times so what gives? Heresy+ only? fatshart pls use your words in descriptions for once

[terse idol]

No

[trim steppe]

Uh pretty sure there's no other requirements. You probably got chipped for 1 somewhere. I lost that like 6 attempts in a row due to barrels or fall damage lol

[terse idol]

Its a long bar that goes down

[trim steppe]

That's what I said, a progress bar...

[steady wolf]

Nope, full hp whole time. Scoreboard said I took 0 damage also

[terse idol]

Oh

[trim steppe]

Report it as a bug then

[trim steppe]

WAIT. did you late join? It only counts if you start mission from the team load out

[midnight totem]

question, were any of these missions one with a corruptor in them?

[steady wolf]

I did sedition rolling steel from the start

Also did on overwatch way back and almost certain I took no gunfire hp damage either and didn't get it

[midnight totem]

oh sedition, sedition doesn't count I think

[trim steppe]

On overwatch requires no melee damage, not no ranged damage

[steady wolf]

I said

[fading yarrow]

Did you get nudged by anything?

Mutant, Pox Hound, anything like that

[stone wadi]

hey I made that 😄

[fading yarrow]

Getting nudged can deal <1 damage that doesn't get detected by the scoreboard mod iirc

[steady wolf]

It's possible a dog might of but <1 damage is possible? That's quite something

would be <0.5 even I imagine, sus...

[trim steppe]

Fatshark

[fading yarrow]

Unrelated:

Laspistol and Shock Maul is a pretty fun combo

[steady wolf]

I run maul with my recon lasgun 6c

Weird getting used to moving way faster with my gun instead of melee

[pastel yew]

tbf it gives a lot of move speed

0.6 compared to the combat blades 0.8

[torn gorge]

@tall torrent throw me some weapons for havoc

[tall torrent]

Rashad, power sword, duelling sword

[torn gorge]

🅱️istol into pus hardened was pretty cringe

[tall torrent]

Plasma, boltgun, recon, laspistol, infantry lasgun, boltpistol

[torn gorge]

is there a reason to run ILG/accatran over laspistol tho?

[midnight totem]

infernus

[fading yarrow]

For Accatran,
Brrrrrrrt

[torn gorge]

ah yes, the infernus delusion

[steady wolf]

randomly worked this time

also sedition rolling steel

must of really been <0.5 hp lost cuz scoreboard said 0 damage taken

[pastel yew]

delusion?

[sleek garden]

i cannot win a single auric game

nobody can survive

[pastel yew]

yeah auric pools pretty shoddy rn

good opportunity to practice tho

[sleek garden]

psyker has shield and still goes down to gunfire

pykers who only smite

zealots with the chain greatswords who cant fight hordes

plasma vets who die to never dodging the 2 poxwalkers

[torn gorge]

The smite-only psyker is the deadliest

[sleek garden]

shield ogryns who only push and never attack

[steady wolf]

Pretty sure laspistol is also +0.80 sprint speed

[sleek garden]

im trying to do the train mission

its so hard when your teammates arent great

[pastel yew]

0.89 for mine though that is 80 mobility

so likely 60 mobility is about .8

pretty sure laspistol + combat blade have the same mobility

outside of the sprint tech

[orchid hemlock]

Delusion?

[steady wolf]

Oh wait recon lasgun is +0.60
which is much faster than shock mauls +0.09

[orchid hemlock]

Guys we got a Vet expert here

[pastel yew]

at 80 mobility yee yee

[steady wolf]

Collat useless so

[orchid hemlock]

I love it when people come here for advice and then just reject it

[sleek garden]

dog styled on me then got a double ko

[pastel yew]

big time who cares about stagger on a auto weapon

[sleek garden]

i cant say disable

[pastel yew]

i think the only weapon I'd care for it is the shotties since I think their blessings have weird damage interactions with stagger states

[steady wolf]

Well it affects suppression too but that'll just make stuff harder to hit when I'd rather they just die in the 2-3 hits than cower, dodge, and survive.

[pastel yew]

holy mvp dog xd

[tall torrent]

yea
infantry lasgun is much better at killing specialists, and has more ammo
recon applies infernus much faster (which matters for pus hardened)

[pastel yew]

you're insta killing pretty much everything anyway

least I am

max buff exec stance 🤤

[orchid hemlock]

No sorry Path, using Infernus is just coocoo

[steady wolf]

das what im saying 2-3 shots from 6c recon lasgun

[orchid hemlock]

🪿

[steady wolf]

I'm torn between exe and voc tho

I like exe but missing voc is tough sometimes

[wary spoke]

Is dodge slide useful?

[steady wolf]

usually for getting space to do something like special action/grenade

[orchid hemlock]

No, just stand there and assert dominance

[wary spoke]

Would it matter if I do melee

[pastel yew]

does oven proof just not track damage correctly at all???

[wary spoke]

How important is it

[steady wolf]

Usually you shove, then back dodge slide to make space for slow actions

[pastel yew]

tested against pogryn, according to ovenproof I did 26.9k burn damage with my accatran in the span of one pogryn healthbar

which is like almost half of its health

[orchid hemlock]

POGRYN

[torn gorge]

I mean, I'm more than happy to run ILG again, but unless I'm missing something it hasn't been substantially better at killing specials

[pastel yew]

[steady wolf]

👔
👖

[wary spoke]

I see so it is situational and not something you'd do while mashing a horde

[steady wolf]

Well I barely ever dodge slide tbh, it really is in an oh shit I need to grenade situation basically

normal dodging is all you need 99.99% of time

[wary spoke]

Got it

[pastel yew]

lets you avoid almost all enemy fire while moving at almost entirely full sprint speed

[frank ether]

I slide %99 of the time

[steady wolf]

You can even dodge slide a second time if you really want a ton of distance but most maps don't even have that much open space so

[pastel yew]

think its like 94-95% of sprint speed, and it takes less stamina, and it keeps you save

safe

oh dodge slide

[pastel yew]

same difference but not stam efficient as you cant keep doing it

[steady wolf]

Yeah sprint slide spamming is OP for avoiding gunfire

[pastel yew]

for real

[frank ether]

dodge slide backwards, bait smyker into crusher overhead

[pastel yew]

its definitely one of those things I wouldnt mind seeing adjusted

crusher overheads

[steady wolf]

just fearlessly shock maul special the crusher

the tingly poke

[wary spoke]

I just want to know how essential is it to the core gameplay in higher difficulties ik dodges are always the most reliable

[steady wolf]

that'd make him giggle and forget all about his overhead

[pastel yew]

dude I'm so livid, I dont get hit by an overhead for eons... play my havoc game, instantly overhead after stagger... then overheaded again through my own ogryn i couldnt even see the dude ;-;

[frank ether]

I die far more to trappers

[steady wolf]

Flamer backshots are the most common wipe imo

[pastel yew]

dodge slide is real useful for continuing to shoot while avoiding enemy fire

[steady wolf]

Just sneaks up on the group in a tight space and everyone dies, usually 1 is netted tho

Flamers mean business

[orchid hemlock]

Once my chemistry teacher asked: "what is the opposite of base?"

I rose my hand and immediately said with no hesitation: "cringe"

[tall torrent]

it is substantially better at killing specials (not reliant on crits for good maniac dmg)

[torn gorge]

ye mk x kinda sucks vs maniac

[hot sinew]

I am new to darktide does the deadshot talent require stamina to keep working or just drains stamina.

[orchid hemlock]

u need stamina

[narrow frost]

drains stamina while ADS and only works if you have stam

[hot sinew]

How are you supposed to use it ideally? I am trying to build for anti horde

[orchid hemlock]

u dont

[hot sinew]

Oh

I’ll put my stamina trinkets away

[crisp oak]

you don't use your gun for hordes

[narrow frost]

quick scope with weapons that dont have crit chance blessings

[orchid hemlock]

i mean if you want to cope and put on 3 stamina curios, and 3 stamina regen perks, go ahead

but you wil need to play perfectly

[crisp oak]

any tips on how to make the shock maul feel tolerable btw?

[orchid hemlock]

the only gun in the game that can kill hordes effectively is the flamer, and only zealots can use it

i guess braced autoguns are close, but I feel like they are a specialist killer that allows you to shoot thru the horde to take out priority targets

those dont need deadshot

[hollow ibex]

i take deadshot with my flamer

[orchid hemlock]

vets cna use flamer????

[grand perch]

no

[orchid hemlock]

😔

[grand perch]

[crisp oak]

i take deadshot eith my melta

[sour elbow]

Really dissapointed with the flamer... I understand it would be a hard thing to balance, I just get annoyed magdumping into a horde of poxwalkers and they don't instantly melt.

[formal osprey]

just had the craziest random damnation 😄 and we won

[sour elbow]

I can see it working, with two melee ogryns

[formal osprey]

for 80h of gameplay 1st time i see 3 ogryns

😄

[sour elbow]

Ragers and maulers and crushers are far less scary when they're being sent sprawling by an ogryn

[hollow ibex]

they do go pretty quickly

and it's handly to be able to dispatch a horde of bulwarks

[formal osprey]

got this with the +25% ammo talent on good spots 1 mag and 1-2 bleed grenades the horde just gets vaporized even without voice of command

[sour elbow]

iirc minmaxers hate collateral, because it makes the enemies more likely to flinch/stagger so harder to magdump into their face to kill them.

[orchid hemlock]

i think the grenades are doing 99% of the work my dude

[formal osprey]

not really cuz the gun melts even without them

[orchid hemlock]

Not really huh

Must be true

[light ridge]

My VoC build after yesterday's discussion on Precision Strike vs Desperado
Shock Maul seems to react well to 10% extra attack speed
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dd6eab9-64da-4a5c-8821-75f6b521e83f/veteran-melee-support?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[orchid hemlock]

why hammerblow?

[hollow ibex]

smaul is prob one the few weapons that's totally fine without attack speed tbh

[light ridge]

Crowd control and makes Skullcrusher more reliable

[orchid hemlock]

when do you need the extra impact?

[light ridge]

Always 😉

[orchid hemlock]

ok, so you dont actually know

ill get straight to the point, you dont need hammer on smaul

u just need enough cc to proc skullcrusher, the maul already does this except for ragers

and even with max stacks of hammer it wont cc them

[light ridge]

Testing with Sephoni showed that Hammerblow resulted in better dps all around with Skullcrusher than without

[orchid hemlock]

what do you mean "better" dps? the damage is the same assuming you are always ccing the target

[light ridge]

What are you using to CC? Heavy or light or special? Or Shout (on cooldown)
Hammerblow makes it so it doesn't matter, even light attacks can stagger most things

And stuff on the floor isn't hitting me or anyone else

[orchid hemlock]

lights on the smaul already cc everything except maniacs and ogryns, which means you proc skull

[light ridge]

Both DPS and survability seem to be better with it, than without it

[orchid hemlock]

also how do you know that skull is always prcoing, do you have a mod where u can actually see the debuff?

[bitter vessel]

What is the benefit of the zarona pistol over the agrinnpa?

[orchid hemlock]

everything

[light ridge]

Nope, I know as much about Skull proccing as anyone else
I just have more confidence it actually does with Hammerblow than I did with Thrust, kill time seems to confirm this

[orchid hemlock]

so you dont even know if skull is procing you just assume it is

you prob didn't even take into account crits or other modifiers

[bitter vessel]

But does my gameplay or approach change at all? Or is it just an upgrade

Or is it more hupfire focused

[orchid hemlock]

like I understand you want to just want to eyeball it and it "feels" better, but that is just a Mandela effect

[light ridge]

Yeah I didn't spend several hours testing all the others in combination with Skull
Nope, Sephoni and I agree Hammerblow + Skull makes us comfortable

[orchid hemlock]

but point is, replace hammer with high voltage, objectively better blessing

[orchid hemlock]

sure u did

[hollow ibex]

much slower reload, better at everything else

let's just say zarona revolver is possibly the strongest vet gun in the game

and agrivolver is mid at best

[sour elbow]

just roll with what you like, you're the one who has to play it

[light ridge]

I tried:
Falter didn't result in a noticeable improvement in stagger
Opportunist doesn't outperform either Skullcrusher nor Thrust
Actually Opportunist, Skullcrusher, High Voltage result in roughly the same damage numbers
Skullcrusher showed more stable results with Hammerblow than with other Blessings, plus more CC
Skullcrusher combined with Thrust or High Voltage would theoretically result in better damage but results were not reliable enough to negate the added ability to knock down (not just stagger) almost anything with light attacks from Hammerblow stack
Skullcrusher+Hammerblow (Minitorum) and Skullcrusher+Thrust (Agni) gave best results for me
YMMV

[grim widget]

yo i found the biggest yabbo mama on ck3 and am marrying her asap

[orchid hemlock]

it doesn't matter how many hours you are in the psykhanium, if you are not properly doing control tests and recording the data and instead just eyeballing it you are going to have a flawed results

I know this, because you just unironically said: "opportunist is the same as skull/high voltage"

opportunist is better into heavily armored enemies, the latter is better into eveyrthing else

[light ridge]

I will agree to disagree with you

[formal osprey]

jeez just play and have fun lol

[sour elbow]

We need a picture of the ogryn or a plague ogryn shoving a sign into the ground saying "No fun allowed."

[formal osprey]

doesnt matter the weapons/talents/build if the other 3 dont care about the squad

talkin about public servers since i dont have friends to premade with

[orchid hemlock]

oh no, when people start getting critized and correcting their statements it defaults to "let me have fun"

[formal osprey]

yes i understand that on high/ultra high difficulty these things matter but still

[orchid hemlock]

pls actually scroll back up to the convo

im not going to say this twice

[formal osprey]

im not even reading the chat

[light ridge]

In theory, hit a crusher a few time in the head
The numbers are roughly the same

[orchid hemlock]

you can't just say: "this is correct" someone tells you its not and then cry and whine and say "let me have fun 😡"

[formal osprey]

everyone is correct in their own way and everyone found a way to play the game for himself

[orchid hemlock]

guys he hit the crusher in the head, and then he hit the rager in the head, they are about the same

[formal osprey]

i just use the dueling sword hit the heavy 2 times in the head he dies thats ok for me

😄

[orchid hemlock]

ok good to know you at least admitted to it

[formal osprey]

this game is easy in general not even good aiming is required anyway

[bitter vessel]

Should I be hipfiring the zarona often or aiming?

[sour elbow]

he said "it works for me and I enjoy light attacks being more effective and knocking things down". If it works for him it's fine, stop trying to minmax his build if he just wants to enjoy sending things sprawling. :<

[formal osprey]

darktide in a nutshell stick together do the mission and kill

[light ridge]

Despite testing I will say that you are right because you want me to prove a negative and the burden of evidence is now on you

[orchid hemlock]

he said that hammer is "better" damage when that isn't a correct statement

hammer doesn't increase the damage of skull

me correcting him doesn't care about what he believes

[light ridge]

That's not what I said, I said it made it more reliable

[sour elbow]

YMMV```
Sounds like a "I don't care, I'm having fun" to me.

[formal osprey]

the stuff you talk about here is very similair what everyone tries to do ingame in the end someone is soloing and everyone else dies xd

[orchid hemlock]

"better results" can mean anything,

[light ridge]

You really like to argue, I'm going to sleep

[orchid hemlock]

hammer doesn't increase the damage of skull, it can increase the amount of CC when cleaving thru targets

[light ridge]

I.e. more reliable

[sour elbow]

Orcka, just give up the "stop having fun" and let people enjoy weapons the way they like them please. :T

[hollow ibex]

smaul doesn't need or want hammer tbh

but the blessing options aren't great anyway

so whatever

[orchid hemlock]

stop with the "let people have fun" , if someone is trying to make a statement about "increasing damage" I will correct it

[formal osprey]

i bet that even without the best guns or the best talents or the best class people still can finish the hardest modes

[orchid hemlock]

they can use whatever they want, but it doesn't change the fact that what they say is incorrect 🤷🏻

all i asked was: "why did they use hammer?"

they responded with "it does more damage"

I said no that isn't possible

they said themselves that

I didn't 🙌🏻

[sour elbow]

Look I've read it several times and he says he likes the extra knockdown. I get it, you're fixating on he says it makes the CC more reliable so better triggering for skullcrusher. He likes knockdowns and it gives a bit more damage with the cc, fine. You jumped in at the start to say 'you don't need the extra cc' and the point he (and) are trying to make you don't seem to be understanding is if it's fun to use stop trying to back-seat

[light ridge]

It resulted in better dps does not equal increase damage
It can also mean it procs more reliably which then improves dps

But sure make it sound different

[orchid hemlock]

i find this ironic that you complain about "minmaxing" when the guy literally admitted to being the psykhanium for "hours" figuring out which is the best blessing combo

[orchid hemlock]

sure it did

[sour elbow]

Good for you. Stop trying to backseat

[orchid hemlock]

this is not backseating :

i dont think you know what the definition of that term even means

[sour elbow]

"Don't take X blessing, you don't need it". You want to help I understand but if someone likes it, stop trying to push it

[orchid hemlock]

I can care less if they "like it" 🤷🏻

[stable socket]

if your aim is really bad (like mine), extra knockdown may also be a dps gain because enemies on the ground aren't moving so they're easier to hit

[orchid hemlock]

doesn't make them magically correct

[sour elbow]

So you do care, understood.

[light ridge]

Blocked, plenty of things to discuss but this leads nowhere

[orchid hemlock]

u can block me all u want, but you will get the same answer everytime here in this channel

[orchid hemlock]

what?

[sour elbow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw&t=74s

[light ridge]

Smaul doesn't need Hammerblow but it's nice for me and nothing else provided a noticeable difference

[sour elbow]

It's an american thing, really doesn't make sense. It's a corruption of the phrase "couldn't care less"

[orchid hemlock]

i mean u can send me that, but the fact you have been rplying to me for the past half an hour says otherwise

[sour elbow]

Like "You can't have your cake and keep it" is a corruption of "you can't eat your cake and keep it"

[formal ice]

Which one you blocked anyways?

[orchid hemlock]

it's me

[sour elbow]

dio

[hollow ibex]

mario

[torn gorge]

isnt that inherently worse because you have to account for 2 more dimensions as opposed as to just swipe on the x axis at head level?

[sour elbow]

I use the trusty shovel for my veteran, impact really makes the different. At 4 stacks I can send a mauler on their backside. Not the same as the maul, I get that's better at it, but being able to knock something on it's backside with a light attack is good.

[light ridge]

Unblocked but I'm done with this
Provide counter evidence or leave it be
I like Hammerblow, it makes Skullcrusher more reliable in my opinion
Opportunist should give better dps on armour but doesn't really do so from what I have seen

[stable socket]

possibly! i think in terms of ease of headshot it goes something like this for me:

1. crusher walking towards me, winding up an attack
2. crusher on the floor
3. crusher after i've side-dodged the overhead

[sour elbow]

I prefer being able to knock the crusher over because you can't always dodge. (yes yes, be good, skill issue but it's when, not if)

[orchid hemlock]

ah yes, the peak evidence you provided is unfailable:

"i hit a crusher in the head a couple times"

how will I ever find the counter evidence 😭

[light ridge]

I also have Hammerblow on my Shovel now, I like it

[sour elbow]

It's really good on shovel. Love sending things sprawing with a heavy attack

[orchid hemlock]

when is there a scenario u can faceplant a crusher with the smaul?

[light ridge]

Knock yourself out mate

[sour elbow]

It's great on the zealot's power maul too

[orchid hemlock]

I can't provide counter evidence to nothing my dude, chop chop

🤷🏻

[hasty rain]

Okay I get power sword now. You get the blessing for +3 charges and it annihilates waves

What should the second blessing be though? Brittleness on charged hit?

[orchid hemlock]

brittle is good, but I prefer BM

[hasty rain]

BM?

[orchid hemlock]

brutal momentum

[hasty rain]

Ah

I'll give it a try, thanks

[sour elbow]

man I wish it worked like the relic blade.

[light ridge]

Dude just go into the Psykanium and start hitting crushers over and over with various blessings instead of arguing
Let me know how it went, I never claimed to know everything, that's the words you try to put in my mouth

[hasty rain]

Now kiss

[orchid hemlock]

my dude, you never proved anything

the burden is on you

YOU made the statement that hammer does more damage

then prove it

[tall torrent]

wtf y’all even arguing

[orchid hemlock]

they say that hammer does more damage with skull than other blessings

[tall torrent]

What and what

[orchid hemlock]

like opportunist or high voltage

[tall torrent]

On shock maul?

It’s skullcrusher + Hammerblow/falter

[hollow ibex]

god this is still going on?

[tall torrent]

What are u even gonna run otherwise

[sour elbow]

Someone likes hammerblow with skullcrusher because he prefers the impact. This is apparently introlerable.

[tall torrent]

High voltage is skullcrusher but x0.25 as good

[hollow ibex]

brutal momentum

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[orchid hemlock]

nah give me thrust 😔

[tall torrent]

Opportunist does like nothing for a weapon that has high ADMs across the board

[tall torrent]

Funnily enough that is the recommended blessing set-up for shock maul

[orchid hemlock]

i would take high voltage, but again this purely damage

[tall torrent]

I thought y’all were talking about shovels

[tall torrent]

Nah, it’s meh

[orchid hemlock]

nah smaul

they said that hammer does MORE damage

[tall torrent]

It’s literally skullcrusher but not even half as good

[orchid hemlock]

like yeah, hammer is good for ccing

I said that in the discussion

[sour elbow]

I like impact on my shovel and you can't stop me. :p

[tall torrent]

It enables rager and crusher stagger on a stagger-orientated weapon that relies solely on skullcrusher for damage so yea they’re not entirely wrong if you logically think about it

[orchid hemlock]

but I was confused on how they thought skull does more damage with hammer

[tall torrent]

Cuz it does?

You don’t even get rager stagger without stagger blessings

[orchid hemlock]

how?

[tall torrent]

If you can’t stagger stuff u want to kill faster, what exactly is skullcrusher gonna do for u

[orchid hemlock]

yes I aware, but when all targets are staggered with or without hammer, it does the same amount of damage right?

[stable socket]

i think what orcka is trying to say is, "if i have skullcrusher and hammerblow on my maul and i force a knockdown with voice of command, hammerblow doesn't add any additional damage to the weapon because skullcrusher already is at max stacks"

[tall torrent]

There’re enemies u don’t get to stagger with light/heavy attacks without Hammerblow/falter

[orchid hemlock]

yeah I'm aware I even said this: #veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

And you’re wrong in this

Because it does not stagger ragers

Pretty sure not maulers either

[orchid hemlock]

maniacs

[stable socket]

so yes: hammerblow doesn't increase the absolute peak dps of a maul, because the peak dps of a maul is achieved when you can force a stagger without needing hammerblow and can squeeze in another blessing (?), but in day-to-day use hammerblow probably makes life easier because you don't have to rely on other sources of forced stagger to get your skullcrusher stacks

[tall torrent]

Scab rager is not maniac

Buddy you’re just not on the right side in this one I’m sorry

[orchid hemlock]

ah mb forgot they arn't maniacs, but u get what I mean 😔

[light ridge]

I said it resulted in better dps, not that it increased the damage of skull, of course skull damage won't change but it will proc more reliably

Stop putting words in my mouth, thank you

[tall torrent]

High voltage is theoretically more dps if you actually remember special attack exists

[orchid hemlock]

better dps

ignore the dps part

sure sure, im putting words in your mouth alright

[light ridge]

Exactly 3 stacks if Thrust + Hammerblow is better but not as reliable

[orchid hemlock]

is DPS a different acronym here?

[tall torrent]

I think orcka is losing it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[latent parcel]

Tried the rashad recon build hard in havoc and its not as bad as i thought but its not super amazing. Rashad def is still a solid vet weapon though so thanks for sharing that with me

[orchid hemlock]

no, the original statement is:

"if you are attacking a target that can be cced without the extra impact of hammer, then skull does not give you more damage"

is that wrong?

[stable socket]

(i think you mean "hammer does not give you more damage")

[tall torrent]

But it does make a huge difference for the few enemies where that extra stagger matters which u ideally want the weapon to be good at

[orchid hemlock]

sure, but that wasn't my statement 🤷🏻

[tall torrent]

What do u think is missing

[latent parcel]

ive been tweaking it hard. The axe is just so slow its hard to clutch on

boss damage is ok? not amazing but it does do the job

[orchid hemlock]

no, what I mean is that skull doesn't increase in the damage the more cc you have

u either cc an enemy or you dont

that procs skull

[tall torrent]

It’s actually better than most other options

[stable socket]

yeah, and if hammer is the difference between proccing skull or or not proccing skull then it adds damage, otherwise it does nothing

[orchid hemlock]

yes exactly, this is what I said

[stable socket]

the question is, how often is hammer the difference between proccing skull and not proccing skull? i honestly have no idea

[latent parcel]

i agree with that

[orchid hemlock]

but they made the argument that the even in scenarios where the cc breakpoint wasn't needed from hammer, that somehow it did more damage

this is wrong

[light ridge]

I didn't

[latent parcel]

FInally someone that knows 40's thank you

[orchid hemlock]

it's not good to lie

[latent parcel]

ya axe is better then i thought it was. you run infiltrate doing ur 40?

[sour elbow]

For goodness' sake, they're saying "it makes kd more reliable and more often, which makes dps better overall" because it makes even light attacks stagger most things.

[stable socket]

you guys were just talking past each other for like 30 minutes

it happens

[orchid hemlock]

i mean that is your "interpretation"

[tall torrent]

First veteran VoC
Second veteran infil/VoC depending

First can be infil if pre-made group, it’s nice for obj

[stable socket]

i think the real question for both of you here is this: what are you hoping to get out of this argument?

[orchid hemlock]

to learn how to be optimal with smaul and understanding actual damage indicators?

[latent parcel]

for solo havoc 40? i was asking azreal what he did on his solo with the axe

[light ridge]

Nothing, there's nothing to gain

[stable socket]

because you've both brought up points which are technically correct, so we can probably leave it at this

[tall torrent]

I think he did with VoC for like almost 2hrs and decided not to run veteran solo h40 again lol

[orchid hemlock]

idk, smaul for me is just an anti bullwaks tool, I feel like it is worse than the majority of other weapons you can pick

[orchid hemlock]

they didn't bring up anything correct

[latent parcel]

lolol sounds painful

[fading yarrow]

It would be really cool if I could find more than one Concentration Stim per mission

[latent parcel]

what map

[stable socket]

i think we've rehashed the pros and cons of hammerblow enough

[narrow frost]

yes

[latent parcel]

yeah

psykers hard man

my psyker is 300

[sour elbow]

I ennjoyed psyker when I maxed the tree. Being able to put down two barriers and explode elites non stop with brainburst is great fun.

Really not clicked with the right side though

[latent parcel]

ah

yeah moebian fuck that axe so hard

[orchid hemlock]

i think hammer is great, because it allows you to cc ragers

but not nec because it gives you "more damage" since high voltage exists as well

[light ridge]

Back to something constructive:
While I agree and I'll probably spec back to Precision Strike,
10% attack speed has no conditions while precision strike requires me to hit weakspots

[orchid hemlock]

actually wait, that build has other sus things in it

like why do u have surgical on the bolt pistol?

i didn't even notice 💀

[light ridge]

I like it

Want to argue some more?

[orchid hemlock]

i find this funny that you care about critting with the bolt pistol, and you dont take reciprocity

💀

[sour elbow]

End of the conversation. 8D

[latent parcel]

ya ur 100% right i just pub 40's usually so my team isnt always there

[narrow frost]

@formal lake no BM on Rachad?

[tall torrent]

U can actually reach it if u run the 10% melee damage talent with unarmored and full headtaker

But it’s a cursed path to take

[latent parcel]

same

[orchid hemlock]

i thought the reason why u go vet was to be an ammo dispenser 💀

😭

[tall torrent]

Nah

2x effort for 0.5x impact

[latent parcel]

Nope vet goes in hard

[tall torrent]

Inhale the copium

[orchid hemlock]

nah top 4

[latent parcel]

ogryn #1 dont lie now

[orchid hemlock]

where is the lie tho?

[latent parcel]

there isnt one!

[orchid hemlock]

um, I dont see ogryn anywhere

[tall torrent]

4th is flex usually

Ogryn is playable but not in the best spot

[orchid hemlock]

4 ogryns

[heavy rover]

Top 4 classes for havoc are vet, vet, vet, vet

[fading yarrow]

1. Psyker
2. Vet
3. Zealot
4. Ogryn

Realistically Vet and Zealot are moreso tied up

[tall torrent]

Zealot is like 0.25x the effort for 2x the impact lol

Psyker > zealot > veteran > ogryn in havoc

Doing 1M damage on veteran feels like you didn’t achieve anything

Doing 600k on zealot is like damn you killed that many crushers

[orchid hemlock]

1.) Ogryn
2.) Ogryn
3.) Ogryn
4.) Ogryn

[fading yarrow]

[tall torrent]

Cavalcade + what other blessing

Shattering or puncture

[light ridge]

One of the reasons is that I can't seem to shoot without ADSing so a few stacks of extra crit is never wasted
Yes 25% explosion radius is generally better but I already have that on another build

[tall torrent]

Relic blade’s scaling into density is so good

[latent parcel]

havoc board broken

[brazen steppe]

Rock

[tall torrent]

is urs also flickering

[safe violet]

Mine was, and relaunching the game didn't fix it.

[orchid hemlock]

greatest mod ever created: https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/440

[fading yarrow]

Livid

Fuming

[latent parcel]

yup its busted

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

Maybe the hotfix next week will help

[latent parcel]

rip darktide for a week

[vale wraith]

Surely they will fix error 2014 and 2001

[fading yarrow]

Having a great AuDamn Maelstrom, but then one Zealot tunnel visions on four trash mobs near a Daemonhost and ignores pings to follow the group
I get downed while protecting another Zealot and Vet from an Ogryn and Rager pack, they mess around instead of reviving me so I die, then they spend three minutes collecting the Skull instead of rescuing me, so they get overwhelmed by Elites and Weakened Monstrosities

Shoot me

[tall torrent]

Hopefully they fix their servers too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1320853427202560103/peak_fatshark_connection.mp4?ex=676b1c1d&is=6769ca9d&hm=e8b636183bba25eaeb3d87d939ee5c77d4cec4cd0164745b9d04d54d1a2381e2&

[latent parcel]

LOL

ive never had that happen wtf

[narrow frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1317684033181716601/Clip_-_12142024_63156_PM.mp4?ex=6772b222&is=677160a2&hm=32e74e25b12cbc51b392fd3a29bf18f4b4b4160d1b2be7340da5d0bd47a160da&

[tall torrent]

Yea this is why I haven’t been playing havoc as much

This is not even havoc this is just quick play

[latent parcel]

why does that happen to you?

ive never seen that

[tall torrent]

Havoc is even worse cuz host can be further from me

[narrow frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269791447037640798/1310455525573529691/thisisdumb.mp4?ex=6772c410&is=67717290&hm=41049c1127ef1038cc91838f9a04d7f4496c50f91b01baeca007d5cb5cc541e1&

[tall torrent]

Blame fatshark connection lol every time this happens every other internet service is working correctly

[latent parcel]

where are you from?

[tall torrent]

I’m in NA east

[latent parcel]

weird

that shits wild ive never had that happen

id get mad tho

ive played EU servers in high havoc and i didnt even notice it

[vale wraith]

Is pc experiencing a shit ton of crashes along with the bad servers? Because Xbox’s servers are crashing constantly but not lagging like that

[narrow frost]

Fatshark

[tall torrent]

Connection been bad since unlocked & loaded update

I’ve never had as bad connection before then

[manic cloak]

It's a live service game, not a good service game.

[latent parcel]

thats wild.

[vale wraith]

The game is honestly unplayable on havoc rn

[latent parcel]

well yeah havoc is broken rn

[manic cloak]

When they said Havoc wasn't meant for everybody, they really meant it. Props to them being more vocal lately and following through with their promises.

[tall torrent]

Their frame gen is still broken btw

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[vale wraith]

This is the greatest advertisement for the ps5 port, just make other platforms unplayable

[tall torrent]

Can somehow exceed systemic refresh cap

[latent parcel]

i must be lucky af lol

[manic cloak]

Not enough cosmetics being purchased weekly to pay for a fix. #doyourpart

[latent parcel]

never had any issues on my shit PC with this game

[tall torrent]

Idk what went wrong now but I did an h27 an hour ago and

Maybe it was smite? But it could literally tank my framerate

[latent parcel]

ya smite does it

i had to go into the manual config and turn shit off

[tall torrent]

Nah not to this extent

[manic cloak]

Smite and Big Box of Hurt are common offenders for me.

[tall torrent]

Smite made 80fps feel like 30fps

[fading yarrow]

Does it count if I use MS Rewards points

[latent parcel]

i think it depends what there smiting? idk

big packs of armor getting smited can tank mine

[manic cloak]

Bitcoin or Hawk Tuah Coin only

[tall torrent]

And the input lag in havoc is horrendous

[latent parcel]

never had that either

[manic cloak]

At least the gunners aren't effected in Havoc.

[fading yarrow]

Talk to a coin? Sounds unproductive

[tall torrent]

Maybe it’s only when smite is up

But it was genuinely so bad

[latent parcel]

only thing ive had is sound issues but i turned my music down a bit

[manic cloak]

No one likes Smite anyways

[latent parcel]

and that fixed it

[tall torrent]

The issue is Psykers love to use it in havoc for some reason lol

Even though brain rupture is tactically more useful in their kit

[latent parcel]

hey man im smiting

[manic cloak]

Oh, we all know the reason.

[latent parcel]

im helping

[vale wraith]

It’s somewhat okay at holding gunners and shooters

Too bad their ass usually gets slapped up by pox walkers

[tall torrent]

I can’t understand the need for smite when you have a fire staff in your hands

It’s beyond me

[vale wraith]

Fire staff you still need to dodge somewhat

[narrow frost]

"I'm smiting, you can kill them now"

that one is my fav

smite psyker realizing they can do damage themselves

always funny

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s nearly permanent Empathic Evasion uptime against havoc’s horde density

[heavy rover]

no das me

[latent parcel]

oh my bad

[vale wraith]

If a horde is in your face you still need to move about

Smite you can just hold m1

[manic cloak]

We wouldn't want to trivialize the intense skill it takes to run Smite or Purg staff in our blessed Veteran chat, would we?

Maybe we should go back to debating breakpoint math from a purely feelings based approach.

[crude fiber]

is anyone elses havoc screen bugging out?

[narrow frost]

Havoc is broken

[latent parcel]

ya havoc down. big sad

[crude fiber]

womp

[heavy rover]

damn, havoc is down? Right as I was heading back home from vacation

[latent parcel]