veteran-class

[little lion]

I was liking the hellbore

[latent parcel]

plasma,bolter,bolt pistol, recon lasgun so far

[vale wraith]

Recon las gun, double barrelled and bolter rn

Love them all though really

Except the shredder auto pistol

[grand perch]

im an ilas/vigilant autogun kinda guy

[latent parcel]

as you can see all guns are good. just pick what you have fun with the most!

[little lion]

Alt imma try the vigilant auto gun for now then

[little lion]

[latent parcel]

except the shredder

[little lion]

I just like getting an idea of what’s good

[vale wraith]

Single shot VA makes me feel good

[little lion]

What melee weapon do you guys like?

[serene bough]

I use knife

Love mobility

[latent parcel]

psword heavy sword caxe is ok and dueling sword 4 is just op rn

[vale wraith]

The shovel

[little lion]

The chain axe and chain sword look good

[grand perch]

^

i meme tac axes

[little lion]

Damn is DS4 just busted on every class right now? It’s the best melee weapon every time I ask lmao

[vale wraith]

Yes

[latent parcel]

ya i hardly ever use it

[little lion]

Damn wtf

[vale wraith]

There’s basically zero downsides, except sub par CC

[latent parcel]

ds4 makes vet zealot level of easy mode

[little lion]

Interesting

Why’s it so good?

[pastel zealot]

what level did y'all pick for Long Bomb?

[vale wraith]

Even then, vet has Frags

[jaunty sphinx]

It was balanced before because it was locked to psyker but now it's not and it's ludicrous

[latent parcel]

it owns everything lol

[jaunty sphinx]

Literally

[latent parcel]

minus hordes

[little lion]

Damn

[latent parcel]

but shredder them

problem solved

[jaunty sphinx]

Even then it's easy to manage the hordes

[vale wraith]

Two taps everything, insane mobility high crit, high finesse.

[jaunty sphinx]

Piercing damage

[latent parcel]

i honestly wouldnt mind it as much if they nerf the unyielding damage on it

[little lion]

Would you guys recommend a build I can follow until I get level 30 and find a more in depth build?

[jaunty sphinx]

Just a massive fuck you to crushers

[latent parcel]

being able to solo bosses with it is insane

[little lion]

wtf that’s crazy

[vale wraith]

I personally really like the DS, if it was a bit less overpowered I would honestly use it more

[little lion]

What’s the dump stat for the vigilant autogun?

[grand perch]

mobility

[little lion]

Alr

[vale wraith]

What level are you?

[little lion]

12 but I really just want something to follow instead of grabbing random skills

[vale wraith]

You could go down this tree rn

[terse idol]

Most weapon stats have a mobility dump buuut

Yeahh

[vale wraith]

Generally pretty survivability and krak grenades help with clumps of armour

[little lion]

Sounds good boss

[vale wraith]

This would be a more complete build when you have the skill points to spare ig though

[tall torrent]

PA + light
Use frags when needed

They have 843.75 health in havoc so you need red nodes active to BM kill them

[little lion]

Appreciate it

I’ll follow those until I reach level 30 and find what I like

[vale wraith]

You could go for a infiltrate or exec stance build though

[latent parcel]

axe feels good when theres no moebian

[vale wraith]

I wouldn’t limit myself to something like this build, but it is generally good for learning the game and how vet plays

[little lion]

Nah voice of command was the one I was gonna try anyway

[latent parcel]

boss damage DOES feel mid tho

[little lion]

I’ll probably end up looking for a better build for plasma gun whenever I get it

[latent parcel]

and i do need to throw shredders like crazy because its slower then the psword

[tall torrent]

Honestly I don’t think Moebian 21st is even that big of a deal
Most of the time horde clear is done by a flame staff anyway

[vale wraith]

It’d probably be a similar build to that, just with weapons specialist instead of focus fire

[latent parcel]

What if your psyker decides to get overheaded by a crusher and u dont have it anymore

[tall torrent]

Blame the psyker lol
It’s not like another melee is gonna be drastically better at fighting 800+ health hordes

[latent parcel]

psword is better if im meleeing moebian hard

[tall torrent]

It’s a little better vs infected but it doesn’t handle pressure as well

[latent parcel]

nah its fine

also maniac ragers

whats the trick with those

[tall torrent]

PA + light

[latent parcel]

does it stagger?

and what kind of pressure?

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1306382291781681252/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.13_-_12.57.55.43.mp4?ex=673676d1&is=67352551&hm=68c82723d28b4d4353ad9c06cad9774e6613cbc72b43d320e30c5e58fa8ffc68&

[latent parcel]

ah ok i was doing it wrong

i still see the drastic moebian issue it has tho

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s fine

It’s essentially a duelling sword that gets to hit more than 1 guy at a time

[vale wraith]

PA stuns ragers? God damn

[grand perch]

its what truly makes it the most versatile melee in the game

[latent parcel]

i dont blame anyone for wipes when the kit i bring should be able to handle one of the mods on the havoc board lol

[tall torrent]

It can tho
Didn’t you say you use frags for Moebian hordes with duelling sword anyway
Why is that magically not a thing anymore when you have an axe

[latent parcel]

no i do

[tall torrent]

You have red nodes & frags

Worst case scenario you swap elite to unarmored

Carapace + unarmored

Like, make a 2nd axe with that perk combo

It still can’t 1HS Moebian horde on light but with PA it can do it much easier than relying on red nodes

Elite is better generally cuz it hits like 3 new breakpoints for axe in havoc

[grand perch]

isnt moebian one of the least impactful modifiers anyway? i always feel like all it means is having to whack them around a bit more

[latent parcel]

its a problem in clutch situations

[vale wraith]

Just makes hordes a slog

[tall torrent]

Moebian is horde pressure basically which doesn’t matter as long as your team has a flame weapon guy up which is usually either a psyker or a zealot

[vale wraith]

And DoT way more stronger by virtue of it being harder to melee

[tawny badger]

moebian is just there to make flak damage perk stocks go up 1949503919932%

[tall torrent]

Infected Moebian in havoc are actually the strongest melee horde enemy in the game

[grand perch]

the rich get richer

[tawny badger]

ong

[tall torrent]

843.75 health unarmored (literally nothing gets to BM 1 shot them pretty sure)

4+ mass

[latent parcel]

hard to rely on teams when u pug all ur havoc 30+

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/jiboi-jibanyan-jelly-gif-25259704

just slap them longer

[tall torrent]

Can’t remember if it’s 4.2 or 4.5

[tall torrent]

Then make a 2nd axe with carapace + unarmored

[latent parcel]

but you said it doesnt cleave with bm

i mean ill do it

and try it

[velvet estuary]

whats the most busted gun rn

[latent parcel]

for shits

but

what would i run as a secondary

[vale wraith]

Generally plasma

[velvet estuary]

plasma really?

[vale wraith]

Yea

[velvet estuary]

it feels so clunky

[tall torrent]

Axe with headtaker (5) and unarmored is 787.5 damage vs unarmored
Without unarmored, it’s 630 damage vs unarmored which is very far off from 843.75
With 1 PA to start and then light attack it should be enough to activate BM vs Moebian horde

[vale wraith]

It basically destroys elite patrols and gimps carapace enemies

[tawny badger]

it’s clunky but it arguably deals the most damage per shot in the game

[velvet estuary]

is it still left click simulator

[tall torrent]

Which mode

[velvet estuary]

never charge

[tawny badger]

yes

[vale wraith]

Yes sir

[velvet estuary]

mode?

[tall torrent]

Base game or havoc

[velvet estuary]

havoco fc

base game is piss

[tall torrent]

Flamer

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[velvet estuary]

sadly we're vets unlucky

[grand perch]

NO

were lucky to be vets

have you been to zealot chat

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[velvet estuary]

they cry about which 1 of the 20 melee weapons is the best

(theyre all op)

[vale wraith]

For zealots they have been awfully sinful

[tall torrent]

U can play recon / laspistol / boltgun, they’re all good choices

Infantry lasgun also nice for huge ammo economy and anti-special

[tawny badger]

everlasting flame crit build

[velvet estuary]

boltgun feels disgustingly easy

did they make it more accurate

[vale wraith]

They buffed it hard

[tall torrent]

They gave it Voidstrike staff big blue ball’s hit reg size

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982229685675102228/1275433773647007846/IMG_6351.gif

[tawny badger]

that’s about right

[tall torrent]

Used to be plasma shot’s size

Now it’s blue ball size

[vale wraith]

Makes my brain tingle when the killfeed goes haywire

[tawny badger]

makes my brain tingle watching me blaze through my entire ammo supply

[vale wraith]

I just LOVE stealing all the ammo on havoc

I need a macro that just absolutely blasts E whenever an ammo crate is placed down

[grand perch]

i just love how all teams on high havoc ping ammo for me pretty much exclusively

dont mind if i do take it

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/more-twinks-gif-5375053662735082927

[tropic notch]

What is that

[orchid hemlock]

The Emporer

[tropic notch]

[tropic notch]

Didn’t know he was a twink

[orchid hemlock]

Always was

[tropic notch]

[vale wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-tts-emperor-warhammer-disgraceful-gif-16263370

[orchid hemlock]

I don't understand

[graceful sigil]

Can Plasma Guns be used to cheese "Make Every Shot Count"? (90% accuracy with no ammo remaining)

[hasty rain]

I think any ranged weapon can?

[tacit sonnet]

wdym cheese?

How can you cheese it with plasma?

[graceful sigil]

No I mean I've heard that plasma guns have no ammo, or was it misinfo?

[tacit sonnet]

what

[hasty rain]

I think it's more of a meme

I recommend just using the bolt or revolver

[tacit sonnet]

Use plasma with no survivalist

Plasma is impossible to miss

Or get like a shotgun

[unreal nova]

It has ammo, is just ppl do the weapon specialist thing to auto reload.

[graceful sigil]

Tried Revolver, some targets would get killed by my teammates right as I shot

[tacit sonnet]

Waste all ammo on a horde and never pick up any, just go full melee

[unreal nova]

Or only shoot fresh crushers.

[hasty rain]

It's funny how this challenge is just 'hey kid how about you play badly for a match?'

[tawny timber]

vt2 bh builds

[tacit sonnet]

lmao yes, exactly

[tawny timber]

either infinite ammo or 0 ammo

no in between

[tacit sonnet]

I want to do The Insane, what would be the ideal build for it?

[primal zealot]

Just use a revolver lol it’s easy af

[hasty rain]

The insane?

[tacit sonnet]

yes

[hasty rain]

I don't follow

[tacit sonnet]

Complete a Havoc Assignment of 35 or higher without anyone getting downed.

[hasty rain]

Oh damn

I guess shouty vet has the best durability?

[hollow ibex]

ideal comp is prob 2 bubble psykers, a relic zealot and a shout vet

[tall torrent]

Less build more team comp

[hasty rain]

If you're smart you can chain the bubbles and chain relic and shout

You can also shout to revive

[tacit sonnet]

Well yea, but what exactly do I bring as vet

Outside of shout

[tall torrent]

Veteran + zealot + psyker, 4th slot is flex
2 zealots is safest
2 psykers is easiest but worse under pressure
2 veterans is most versatile
Ogryn is playable too

[primal zealot]

Survivalist

[tall torrent]

Frag, survivalist

[hasty rain]

I'd say weapons specialist keystone with chainsword and revolver or bolt pistol

And swap frequently

[primal zealot]

Those are way too ammo hungry at a level where your breakpoints are all fucked up

[hasty rain]

Going krak or frag I think is subjective

[tall torrent]

Would not recommend chainsword in havoc lol

[hasty rain]

What then?

[tacit sonnet]

Chainsword is trash mob clearer

[primal zealot]

Plasma ?

[tall torrent]

Power sword, Rashad, duelling sword

[primal zealot]

Recon 6 ?

[tacit sonnet]

Havoc is full of fucked up enemies with mixed hordes

[hasty rain]

I was under the impression that power sword was garbage the harder the game got?

[primal zealot]

Idk if I’d called it garbage but I do hate using it

[tacit sonnet]

No? Power sword is always amazing?

I mean it's not my favourite weapon, but it's really good

[primal zealot]

For havoc tho how good your setup is depends largely on what your team looks like/map/modifiers

You might luck out and get a big guy who’s actually good at taking the melee pressure off

[tacit sonnet]

Shield ogryns are geniunly amazing in havocs

[primal zealot]

Thereby leaving you free to deal with the other bullshit

Wherein a recon 6 would be very useful

[tacit sonnet]

Sad that it's literally the only thing an ogryn can bring to havoc and not cry

[primal zealot]

Lmao

[hasty rain]

I mostly play ogryn and tbh I'm real tired of always playing shield

[primal zealot]

Then don’t ?

[hasty rain]

Because it seems very little else works

[primal zealot]

Pick n kick

[hasty rain]

That's... why I'm lurking in #veteran-class ?

[primal zealot]

Learn the move tech and get your hands higher

Your hands must be very high for effective high level ogryn melee shenanigans

[hasty rain]

What are you talking about lmao

[primal zealot]

Ppl think ogryn should be easy

I’m talking about the finer points of the dance of life and death that is dominating the shit out of heretics with a giant pickaxe, the yin and yang of a complex and misunderstood simpleton, the way of the ogryn

[charred pulsar]

Blessings for power sword?

[velvet estuary]

what curios do you all tend to run on havoc

[charred pulsar]

2 toughness 1 stamina

I have 1 for heal for my zealot but im lazy to swap it

[tropic notch]

Yes

For vet? It’s mercy killer with uncanny strike

You gotta take the serrated blade talent

To proc mercy killer

[brave pond]

Mobility is the stat dump for most things.

Combat blade already has the Ninja speed values along with 5 dodges base.

[tropic notch]

Oh mobility

My bad

[hasty rain]

Gentle headkiss

[tribal tangle]

The one time the hitboxes work correctly

[hasty rain]

I've had a lot of times where I feel like I should've been pounced but didn't

Idk what's up with it

[tribal tangle]

Same thing will happen where it'll seem like it missed, but it'll come back and magnetically attach itself to you

[hasty rain]

It wants to be friends

[oblique totem]

The Boy Who Would Be King

[crimson wyvern]

Veterans overwatch + all curios with revive speed

how much of a diff does it make to the rez

or assist

uhhh

not overwatch

"leave no one behind"

[tame lodge]

LNOB stacks additively with Revive Speed

So

Uh

Gimme a sec

It cuts down from 3 to 1.9 seconds

Yeah?

[crimson wyvern]

minimal then

[tame lodge]

And I think Revive Speed doesn't affect assist speed

[narrow frost]

it doesnt

[crimson wyvern]

helbores alt fire with the jab feels like it makes go faster speed wise

[sleek garden]

auric maelstrom is unplayable

everyone just keeps leaving

nobody can stay on their feet

[unreal nova]

Not just the dumbo zealot that leeroys in and gets downed immediately?

[sleek garden]

not just the adhd zealots but the smykers too

and the bolter veterans that dont know how to melee

[unreal nova]

But DS4 is easy.

Just panic spam m1+dodge.

Aim at hedlvl.

[sleek garden]

they dont dodge or block

they just get hit and die

and they have 5 wounds and die in one go because they got so much corruption from poxwalkers

[unreal nova]

You'll only die if so badly surrounded... At that point I question the crowd clear of the entire team.

[sleek garden]

you clearly havent seen the skill level of the teams in auric maelstrom public lobbies

[unreal nova]

Oh, I just saw Damnation.

[sleek garden]

one rager is all it takes

or flamer

[unreal nova]

From 2 idiot zealots picking grims when it's obvious the second will put people in death zone.

And we of course failed.

To the classic leeroy into death.

Is all zealots btw.

Pug zealots.

[tawny badger]

grimoires lowkey suck as a side objective

[unreal nova]

Yep.

I wish there's a forced vote to them.

[hasty rain]

I have a feeling this is due to the requirement to access havoc

[unreal nova]

I expected damnation pugs to have more than half a brain cell.

Naw, they are just uprising players in disguise or so.

[tawny badger]

Well-
Sometimes shit just happens yk

[unreal nova]

True, but really, Grims should only affect the idiot that picks it.

[tawny badger]

true

[sleek garden]

just watched a psyker run at a reaper that was shooting him

[tawny badger]

cuz why is it everyone else’s problem when one bozo picks up the accursed book that eats 33% of your health bar 😭

[unreal nova]

That, or let ppl who didn't pick it be able to force a delete.

[sleek garden]

don't choose grimoire missions

[hasty rain]

I feel grims and scriptures are just holdovers from vermintide but the reward systems are so differant there's no real reason to get them

[tawny badger]

quickplay

[sleek garden]

don't quickplay

[unreal nova]

Scriptures is fine, Doesn't affect ppl.

Just uses a slot.

[sleek garden]

why choose to not know what you're doing

[unreal nova]

Cos need resources.

[tawny badger]

because I want to play a game quick it’s in the name

[sleek garden]

well i suppose yeah resources

[unreal nova]

Unless you would like to carry me to havoc 40.

Since that's like... 25 runs worth every week.

[sleek garden]

what are you talking about

[unreal nova]

Assuming 8k Diamantine.

I get about 40 per run.

Wait.

200 runs then.

[tawny badger]

I’m.. fairly certain damnations usually reward more than that

[unreal nova]

I play Malice and Heresy when pugging.

[hasty rain]

They do, because resource drops are enabled

[unreal nova]

I won't go near damnation without at least one other.

Malice is around 40 if ppl go hunting.

Heresy has more if ppl go out of their way, but usually is just 40-60.

[tall torrent]

In Malice?

[hasty rain]

Wait, 40 diamantine, for the whole run?

[unreal nova]

Yeah.

Cos nobody goes hunting.

[tall torrent]

Nah heresy is 130+

[unreal nova]

Everyone is like, trying to speed run usually.

[hasty rain]

No way it's not even about hunting it's literally sprinkled in front of you

[unreal nova]

Depends.

[hasty rain]

You should be getting at least 200 on malice alone

I played auric damnation today and got 800 plasteel and 550 dia

We didn't stop for much

[tall torrent]

550 diamantine in one run is not possible

Damnation highest is like 300 ish

[unreal nova]

And I usually don't trust meself to go off looting since, left for dead often enough.

[hasty rain]

It was one of the longer maps, if that makes a differance idk

[tall torrent]

Nah

Spawn rate mostly same across all maps

You got it confused with doing prob 2 maps

[unreal nova]

Is just how many spawned in more obvious spots.

[hasty rain]

I need to screenshot this next time because I've gotten way more than that

[tall torrent]

Yea u should

Cuz I loot every single spot there is basically and highest is around 300 per map

[unreal nova]

I don't.

For reasons stated aboive.

I always ended up dogged.

And nobody helps.

[terse idol]

Just gotta learn to shove the dog

[unreal nova]

Since dodging and pushing tends to be a gamble.

[terse idol]

And I'm not trying to be a butt

Shove earlier than you expect

[unreal nova]

I have spammed pushes on 14 bars of stam and it did nothing.

[terse idol]

Weird

Cause pushing has like a pretty big range

[unreal nova]

Same for boomers.

Just throw a dice if they get pushed or not.

[tall torrent]

Prob OCE player being in a different server

[unreal nova]

And yes, I have dodged them on my screen, only to rubberband and be under a dog a sec later.

[tropic notch]

I got you

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s OCE people playing on different servers

It happens

[unreal nova]

There's just no players when I play on SEA.

You could say bots are better, but they can barely kill anything higher than uprising.

[terse idol]

Sadge

That does explain how hard it is

[unreal nova]

To be fair, it is graveyard hours.

[tawny badger]

the occasional bot clutch tho

[unreal nova]

Randomly decides to pick up someone while the other is kiting everything.

Probs more than most randos, lul.

If only actually being a teamplayer meant more in this game.

Other than not wiping.

But then again, going off to loot does mean you aren't playing with the team.

But still, even at a hundred fifty on heresy, it's still 54 runs to get that amount.

With quickplay, you get the same after 49 runs.

Or so.

[terse idol]

Just play damn frankly

[unreal nova]

And basically be a burden?

Don't you already have enough of those there anyway?

[sleek garden]

how so

were you just in the first game i won today

[tropic notch]

i was?

are you sure?

[terse idol]

As long as you try

[unreal nova]

Isn't wins more important for loot?

[terse idol]

Uhh

Yeah but you gotta advocate for yourself in these situations depending on your success rate with damn

Like, in an ideal world you should be able to beat most damnation runs

[unreal nova]

It's failures upon failures on solo.

[terse idol]

Auric damn and higher gets more iffy

I wouldn't do solo

[unreal nova]

Solo means just going pugging.

[terse idol]

Or well it you're speaking pugs

Eh

That's the tough part

And your connection certainly isn't helping 😭

But!

I mean it seems better to keep trying on damn imo

[unreal nova]

I mean, I can play without lag at certain hours.

I just... prefer late LATE night gaming.

[vernal sundial]

auric damnation ez 700+ plasteel every time

but the real material maker now is havoc
35k a week for doing practically nothing? peak

[trim steppe]

I wish that the more/story was in the game instead of on YouTube. An archive room on the Morningstar perhaps, where you can listen to vox comms and read reports? Collecting grims and scrips unlocks new snippets of lore and story to read in the archive? So many great possibilities. But instead, "send them to YouTube"

[vernal sundial]

i love dt but it lacks vt2’s vibe in this regard, and i think it could’ve been done so much better

[terse idol]

YouTube and the journals which are on the website to be fair

[trim steppe]

Assuming you can clear a 40 which I think is a minority of players lol. But still even a 25 is a solid chunk of change

[terse idol]

I think darktide manages to at least make every team feel unique

In vt2 I think folks do tend to forget how many times you'll hear hogars bridge

Or some variation of something you've already heard

Eliviated by the premium careers slightly however

[sleek garden]

idk in nearly every game i play i hear the cadian voice of command

well more lately its been the psyker bubble callout

[terse idol]

I'm talking more about like the character banter

Between one another

[sleek garden]

oh yeah

[vernal sundial]

oh i know i know!! a shield!!!

[sleek garden]

nobody chooses that voice

they all use the german

[vernal sundial]

o

all the psykers i play with don’t

tho i dont play w randoms in havoc

and i dont see shield ever in aurics usually

[trim steppe]

I just changed to the German after 180 levels of... the other one, the deeper voice male

[austere mica]

Savant

[wooden stirrup]

ON YOUR KARKING FEET

[crisp oak]

recently I heard a female cadians exec stance

the person didn't know they had a melee....

[tawny badger]

genuinely, what happened to cool videogame shit like that

[crisp oak]

i watched them get downed bya single dreg

[sleek garden]

with the format they are showing lore stuff there is no real way our characters could hear it and live

[wooden stirrup]

How long did it take for VT2 to have the rasknitt final boss?

[crisp oak]

this, we do not get access to information

an ignorant mind is a loyal mind

[trim steppe]

Yeah but I can't hear it when I play, which is a problem

I didn't even know they were making any story content until like 6 months ago, and I've been playing since release

[crisp oak]

they also mention things in mission

ie archivum sycorax

[sleek garden]

they should show them in the launcher

[crisp oak]

the tree

[sleek garden]

i think they do

[trim steppe]

When I'm fighting for my life against 6 bombers and 15 ragers is the perfect time for a lore dump

[terse idol]

TO BE FAIR

The journals are literally on the launcher

When you launch the game

But yes

Betterr integration would be good

[trim steppe]

I legit thought those were just news blurbs about updates, and I was like "I already read the patch notes" so I never looked at the carousel lol

I just didn't expect in-game content to be... in the launcher

[unreal nova]

Thing is, even a 4 stack of 3 carries can fail 2 twice over.

[unreal nova]

NO DYING TILL I SAY SO! (Gremlin energy is real.)

[trim steppe]

I don't follow

[unreal nova]

Get 3x 40 with you in 25. Fails 2x.

Fartgas modifier is the worst.

[spice acorn]

Got a revolver from the shop with stats I like. It's a 360, is it even worth upgrading or am I better off trying to get a 380 white one

[unreal nova]

Just upgrade it.

The difference is like 2-3 runs.

More if you stuck on malice.

[spice acorn]

What do you mean by runs

[unreal nova]

Missions?

[terse idol]

You have to upgrade to get 380

It depends on the stat distribution

All weapons can get upgraded to the max power level

[unreal nova]

He said he likes the distribution.

Asked if it's worth gambling in brunt for a higher profane.

It's not tbh.

[spice acorn]

I read otherwise. Lots of conflicting information
So even it can reach the cap of, 550 was it? Or am I mistaken

[unreal nova]

Better to just upgrade the one he already has than gamble 200k+ for a higher base power one just to upgrade.

[terse idol]

With weapon mastery you can always make a weapon the max cap

[unreal nova]

They can all reach 500 in the end.

The only difference is you need to upgrade it 2 times more.

The cost diff is around 2-3 looty runs in heresy.

[spice acorn]

Well that explains your earlier statement

[unreal nova]

But you will usually burn more dockets trying for a profane.

[spice acorn]

I'm just trying to get prepared for that havoc endgame. Keep seeing how it's all the rage

Last thing I want to be is the "deadweight" everyone makes a forum post about

[unreal nova]

You don't really want a revolver in havoc anyway.

[spice acorn]

Really? That sounds boring
I'm guessing it's meta all the way then

[unreal nova]

Barring 1-10, more or less.

[spice acorn]

Well guess I need to prepare accordingly
My guess is something like that plasma rifle

[unreal nova]

You usually need to go meta by 16 or ppl will reject you.

[spice acorn]

What a loving community

[unreal nova]

Plasma/recon/hellbore.

Recon for lower-mid from what I heard.

[spice acorn]

What's the dump stat for the plasma rifle

[unreal nova]

IDK. It's a mess for a perfect one.

[terse idol]

Like uhh what level are ya rn

[spice acorn]

Havoc or player

[terse idol]

Also, high level havoc revolver isn't relevant anymore

[unreal nova]

Like unless you feel like a leprechaun.

[terse idol]

Playerr

[spice acorn]

30

[terse idol]

Havoc assignment?

Cause like ahh

[spice acorn]

Well I am short

[terse idol]

Really high level revolver doesn't exist

It doesn't cut it

For high havoc

[spice acorn]

disappointing
I'll keep in the back pocket for quickplay then

[unreal nova]

Many things aren't.

[spice acorn]

Haven't tried because I'm not going in unprepared and ruining it for the rest

[terse idol]

Oh i mean

[unreal nova]

You can host 1-10.

[terse idol]

Low havoc is brain dead easy

[spice acorn]

I got the game 2 days ago so I'm still testing the waters

[unreal nova]

They are usually easy wins unless you get 3 malice only players.

[terse idol]

Yeah I mean take it eaasy

You want to get comfortable with auric maelstrom

[unreal nova]

Who need to be carried through normal malice mael.

[terse idol]

Before you get into really high level havoc

[spice acorn]

Forgot about auric
I'll start there once I got comfortable in the damnation difficulty

[unreal nova]

Do note it's around auric heresy++ if you skip to 16.

[spice acorn]

Lot of information

So from what I'm gathering I don't need a perfect 550 weapon for endgame content
Or is that off the mark

[unreal nova]

But you can really start 1-10 now and worry about auric mael and such later.

1-5 is like annoying heresy but you have malice wounds.

[spice acorn]

What's the ideal wound count

[unreal nova]

Base.

[spice acorn]

is that 3

[unreal nova]

Unless martyrdom zealot.

Yeah.

[spice acorn]

Alright

[unreal nova]

At 11, it becomes 2 from memory.

Since it turns into heresy++ but can feel like damnation at times.

Depends on how the director wants to mess with you.

[spice acorn]

You seem to know your stuff
What's the melee situation like for the end

[unreal nova]

DS4, powersword.

[spice acorn]

What is DS4

[unreal nova]

Ask the others about any other. I just know those two are the most used.

Dueling Sword mark 4.

[spice acorn]

I do like the power sword
Is the MK3 the best one? Read online it has the fatest initial chain

[unreal nova]

No clue.

[spice acorn]

Worth a shot

[unreal nova]

I find them too slow.

Lul.

[spice acorn]

What do you prefer to use if I can ask

[unreal nova]

Like, if anything is slower than the Illisi+10% aspd, it just feels slow to me.

[terse idol]

Well like

[unreal nova]

I use DS4.

[terse idol]

I'm gonna roll it back, you want a baseline weapon with the ideal distribution

[unreal nova]

The dodge reset is a godsend for me.

[terse idol]

And theenn use that to build a perfect weapon

[spice acorn]

What's a solid baseline look like

[terse idol]

Depends on the dump stat of a weapon

Basically you want to usually dump Mobility as a stat

[unreal nova]

Some say it's a crutch, but I rather play it safe and not feel uncomfortable.

[terse idol]

You NEED the highest damage modifiers on any given weapon

[unreal nova]

Can't do anything if ded after all.

[crisp oak]

the fgs just works too

[terse idol]

(Me as I butt in too to say)

You should be comfortable enough to not run any wound curios

Not rn but like

Damnation, auric damn, maelstrom in an ideal world and my opinion you don't want to run a wound curio

[unreal nova]

Feels slower, also was generally saying I prefer faster weapons as a taste thing.

[terse idol]

As it cuts into potential gains you get from +Health or + toughness

[crisp oak]

fair

[spice acorn]

Nobody goes in intending to be downed 3 times right

[crisp oak]

i like most weapons

[unreal nova]

Is why I mention baseline, so no extra wounds unless going some martyrdom build.

[unreal nova]

If it happens, it happens, but it will risk a wipe.

[terse idol]

Yeah

The issue is, you are cutting well your resources that keep you alive, and going down just has the potential to kill you anyways

If that makes sense

[spice acorn]

In a way it does but maybe not the way you intended

[unreal nova]

Also, do not be a quitter. It doesn't matter if you aren't the top DPS or anything. Leaving your team 1 man down is the worst thing you can do.

[spice acorn]

I'd never quit, I go down with the ship

[unreal nova]

That shitty vet I grumped about did it before I just requested help from Vet chat for the next try.

[spice acorn]

I like to take a look at why a mission may not be going well so I can improve

[unreal nova]

If your build sucks, it can be tweaked. If your skills suck, well, play more and you'll generally get better.

May not be the top 5%, but still.

[spice acorn]

I'll settle for getting the mission done

I'm not in the business of getting accolades

[unreal nova]

Or at least trying your very best.

[terse idol]

If you beat auric mael you're already top 5%

[unreal nova]

Shush, I got carried.

[terse idol]

You did it still

[spice acorn]

So to circle back to weapons. What's the best way to get some good ones so I can tackles these missions with confidence

[unreal nova]

Get one of those three and try them out.

Then tell us your preference.

Is better to go from there.

[spice acorn]

I'll try out the plasma gun. Always looked cool on the minis

[austere pine]

what is this garbage

410 but 16%

[unreal nova]

No point in minmaxing a weapon you feel extremely uncomfortable with.

[spice acorn]

you make a good point

[unreal nova]

You'll never really end up using it.

[austere pine]

that's me with shotguns

[spice acorn]

I'm mixed on shotguns
I kind of like it but not really

[unreal nova]

It just needs a buff to load 13 rounds of slugs with 1 special action or a toggle.

Otherwise, the bolt pistol is just it but better generally.

[spice acorn]

Got this 320 powersword from brunt a while back, 80 across the board with 60 as the dump. I know you've probably answered it but is it worth getting it up to 500 or whatever it can be brought up to?

[austere pine]

karien has never seen other shotguns btw

[unreal nova]

Only losing in staggering power and slight damage.

[austere pine]

she's our little experiment of what a person can become if they think only one shotgun exists

[unreal nova]

Because the slug is the only good one imo.

[spice acorn]

I'm going to simply nod and agree because I have no frame of reference for this

[unreal nova]

Just try it, don't waste on upgrading if it's not cleave target dump.

[spice acorn]

Oh cleave is the dump? Okay good to know I have the 60 in mobility

[tall torrent]

Ideally you don’t want wound curios if you’re more experienced with the game
But if you’re new and fear you may go down a bit, getting 1 extra wound is fine (outside of havoc)

If you’re playing martyrdom zealot, all in on wounds prob

[unreal nova]

For ps, yeah. Dumping mobility is kinda fine, but you really just wanna power it up to attack anyway which basically gives it max cleave.

[spice acorn]

Probably depends on the weapons I'm guessing when it comes to dump

[unreal nova]

Yep.

[spice acorn]

Guess I'm getting the notebook out for this game

[unreal nova]

In most cases, def/mobilty is the dump.

Psyker is generally warp resist over those two.

[terse idol]

Crack open the pinned guide for guidance

[spice acorn]

Didn't even think to check pinned

[unreal nova]

It happens lul.

[radiant chasm]

helbore, plasma, laspistols/recons for pox hardened is what i see

[spice acorn]

Lucky me there's a lot pinned
"Plasma gun does not need flak"
Well that sounds derivative

[unreal nova]

The hammer of the emperor is a great ref tbh.

[tall torrent]

That’s quite wrong actually

[unreal nova]

If you feel anything is iffy or looking for alts, you can just ask.

[tall torrent]

Because plasma does benefit from flak in all modes

[spice acorn]

Well off to brunt to get a plasma gun
Maybe I'll get lucky and get one of those mythical god rolls

[unreal nova]

Plasma is the memeiest god roll.

[tall torrent]

If you’re not sitting on 5M+ dockets

Don’t bother

Plasma is by far the hardest weapon to get perfect roll

[unreal nova]

It's ridiculously specific.

Everything else is dump stat 60 gud.

[spice acorn]

That sounds awful and I would like to know more

[unreal nova]

I can't really remember cos cba to try. But is like 69/71 to something.

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1320193756800090195/Screenshot_2024-12-21_195819.png?ex=6771f03f&is=67709ebf&hm=6128ca9c74b0c1a48eb1ff9b77a263b509958dd9753b9760d104eb382a7679d7&

[spice acorn]

Oh that sounds evil

[unreal nova]

I just don't like the feel of the plasma/hellbore.

[spice acorn]

How's the bolt gun/pistol do in havoc

[unreal nova]

Why I told you to just try all the meta picks and come back after you figure out what you like.

[tall torrent]

Pretty decent

[unreal nova]

Don't bother outside 1-10.

Wait.

[tall torrent]

lol nah

They’re fine

[unreal nova]

Did you mean laspistol, shredder autopistol or revolver?

[spice acorn]

the bolt pistol

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol is fine in havoc

[unreal nova]

Oh.

They are fine then.

[tall torrent]

Maybe 5th best option for veteran?

[spice acorn]

I quite liked that one. Very meaty with it's sounds

[tall torrent]

It’s not as good as boltgun for directly killing things

[unreal nova]

But grenades get free buff.

[spice acorn]

Boltgun felt too slow for me. While I liked it's stopping power the bolt pistol felt more my style

[unreal nova]

Always have lethal prox if not going smoke.

You want smoke in higher havoc though.

[spice acorn]

What's the best stat distribution for the bolt pistol

[unreal nova]

Dump mobility or collateral.

Ppl say latter is the better dump.

But up to you.

[spice acorn]

Alright, guess I know which weapon to pick up now

I will admit though, that reload looks like it hurts

[unreal nova]

Weapon specialist if you good at melee, tactical reload otherwise, I guess.

Ask them. I run silly fun builds mostly for bolt pistol.

Grenades go boom!

[spice acorn]

fun? Do say more

[unreal nova]

Big boom.

BIG.

Shredders work with lethal prox.

And can stack with the tinkerer thing.

Hilarious.

Kraks technically work, but not as well.

You might hit extra stuff close though.

[spice acorn]

This intrigues me

[unreal nova]

I only shoot if 5% hates me and I run out.

A.k.a. stupid build.

[spice acorn]

Ah I almost forgot to ask about blessings and perks for the weapon

[unreal nova]

Lethal prox + puncture.

IDK for havoc.

But that's what you run for damnations and such.

[latent parcel]

its the same for havoc

[unreal nova]

Lethal prox is generally nice even without going full grenadier memes.

[spice acorn]

what about perks

just armour damage?

[unreal nova]

Well, I have flak and cara on mine. I don't think you should slot cara.

But IDK.

I just really, really hate crushers.

[spice acorn]

Well you've been helpful regardless and I appreciate that

[spice acorn]

You know what, me too

that and hounds

[terse idol]

Defo check the pinned guide

To also note

The bistol has brutal bp requirements

[spice acorn]

bp?

[terse idol]

So you'll need to take a few +5% extra ranged damage and junk in the tree

Breakpoints

[unreal nova]

Breakpoints.

[spice acorn]

ah

[unreal nova]

If you plan to use it seriously unlike my funni grenadier thing.

[spice acorn]

I do indeed

[terse idol]

I meeannn

Bistol grenadier with lp and puncture

Is a good build

[unreal nova]

Not with my build, I'm sure.

[terse idol]

Just a pain to get the breakpointsss

[unreal nova]

6 shots to crushers to kill?

Pifft.

[tall torrent]

Nah, frag is still best veteran grenade

[unreal nova]

Ah.

[crisp oak]

yeah infinite frag works

[unreal nova]

I heard smoke is like inf hp bubble but annoys everyone.

[crisp oak]

I am the bone of my frag and stuff

[unreal nova]

Cos everyone is blinded unless exe stance vet.

[tall torrent]

Nah people just do not understand how smoke works

[unreal nova]

Neither do I in a way.

I only had 1 game with a vet running it and nothing really shot with it active.

Nobody could see for dook though.

[terse idol]

This is why you gotta use it like a ghetto bubble shield

Put it in topp

[unreal nova]

Eh?

[pastel pumice]

my lucky day

brunt selling a 17% toughness

[devout geyser]

How does smoke work?

[austere pine]

auric mael btw

[unreal nova]

I know is budget bubble but lasts longer. But what do you mean by up top?

[austere pine]

man if smoke wasn't competing with frag for cc and horde clear capabilities, it'd be my favorite

[terse idol]

Woops

What i meant to say was, put the smoke ontop of your team

So they can see out

[calm shard]

smoke would be busted as fuck if its radius wasn't like 3 times smaller than its visual effect

[austere pine]

it's a shame most people don't know how to clear mixed hordes so cc into tactical combat axing is the best way to deal with them

[terse idol]

How do you even deal with a mixed horde besides just killing them?

[unreal nova]

Ah, so like, on a railing or something?

[austere pine]

exactly

[calm shard]

stealth so they kill your teammates instead of you obviously

[austere pine]

most people just got overwhelmed, overrun and killed

[tall torrent]

Most people don’t know what does and doesn’t stagger melee elites lol

You can tell by the absurd amount of builds that recommend chainswords

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[tacit sonnet]

I am smite psyker so I don't know how does it feel to not be able to deal with a mixed horde

I eat mixed hordes for breakfast

And put some in a ration for ogryns

[unreal nova]

Just smite and let team safely bonk annoying dooks.

[tacit sonnet]

Everything except ogryns just dies before my team even finds out there is a mixed horde

[unreal nova]

I mean, annoying dook is crushers so...

[steady wolf]

me but I actually do that cuz voidstrike instead of fun time tickling the enemies, my bowling balls devour them instead.

[north lotus]

any good builds for the spearhead boltgun?

[spice acorn]

Dueling sword... I was wrong to misjudge it

[north lotus]

@spice acornthis is how ive been using mine so far

[devout geyser]

What perks are recommended on the combat knife?

[steady wolf]

idk like Uncanny + Flesh Tearer. or Uncanny + Mercy Killer if you have the +1 bleed stack talent. Executor isn't bad either

oh perks erm

[devout geyser]

The crit rate seems pretty cracked with it so I think flesh tearer would be good

I ment the blessing don’t worry

[steady wolf]

The crit is good cuz of the dodge for crit talent

well +2 stamina is a good perk for knife

since the push attack is used a lot

[sleek garden]

stuff that staggers and applies lots of debuffs to enemies i assume

[vernal trench]

I highly dislike chainsword

Tried it for a game and it was just bad imo

[austere mica]

Bleed is mediocre at best so uncanny/riposte + precognition is best

[tall torrent]

Carapace + flak/elite/stamina

[steady wolf]

Sounds like a bit of cap, uncanny flesh tearer adds up to a lot of damage on bosses due to rending bleed ticks

[light ridge]

Can you elaborate?
I like using chainsword because it's versatile. It's good at horde clearing, has fast attack speed, gives a decent amount of dodges and speed, can deal with armor, seems to stagger ok'ish

Isn't DS4

[grand perch]

its not terrible in any category but its severely lacking in any way to deal with multiple elites. its special is a high risk but only medium reward move that can screw you over if timed incorrectly, and it doesnt really deal with armor outside of that mediocre special

rager groups especially are a huge problem

[light ridge]

Rager groups are a bit of a problem for most melee outside the DS4 and maybe PS, no?

[crimson pebble]

all the revved attks on chain weapons will stun p much anything outside of monstros

[unreal nova]

Devil parry, if you get good with it.

[grand perch]

basically any other melee weapon (except for maybe chaxes from the top of my head) have better ways to deal with rager mobs

with chsword you dont have the damage to just kill them all, no outstanding mobility to kite them efficiently, no great stagger to give you room.

[unreal nova]

ChainAxes be like, I kill you faster than you kill me lul.

[grand perch]

usually your best play is to use a resource like grenades, ammo or voc shout

[unreal nova]

Like, Chainaxes suffer the same problem, you will win a 1vs1, but when swarmed, lul.

[tough tiger]

chainswords

only usable for cosplay builds

[dry cloak]

no

they are good

[tough tiger]

good for cosplaying

i have way more fun with a dclaw than a chainsword

[dry cloak]

i dont like dclaw

[unreal nova]

It's just parry spam the game.

[dry cloak]

never got hang of it

and usually i shoot ragers

[unreal nova]

And honestly everyone likes or hates what their taste is.

[tough tiger]

smarter than majority of players who just light spam and die instantly to 3 ragers

[unreal nova]

I still question how anyone likes the heavy sword.

[tough tiger]

that thing goes insanely hard

[unreal nova]

Feels like hitting with paper.

[dry cloak]

it shits on every thing unarmored and maniac

[unreal nova]

Even my mk6 knife kills hordes faster.

[dry cloak]

no

[tough tiger]

ok thats just capping

[tall torrent]

well, it's not as limiting as that, there're more weapons that at least can break rager combo easily

chainsword's problem is that it doesn't deal with ragers, maulers, crushers, bulwarks or bosses well, and its single target DPS is basically hard gated behind its activated attacks which deal very mediocre damage

if u want single target DPS on chainsword, u need bloodletter, but then it's taking away cleave or crit chance blessings which are both crucial to chainsword

[tough tiger]

heavy spam on hsword lets you clean up moebian 21 horde

[dry cloak]

used this for a longest time

[tough tiger]

unarmored? why not unyielding

[dry cloak]

this is pre crafting update

[crimson pebble]

death blow hsword will absolutely mulch rager hordes

[unreal nova]

I see, so it's heavy attacks the sword.

Might explain.

[dry cloak]

i light spam it into hordes

[unreal nova]

That does no damage.

[tough tiger]

high mass hordes requires heavy

[unreal nova]

Like 15 hits in heresy on max damage sword feel.

[dry cloak]

if you are talking havoc yes

[unreal nova]

Eh?

[tough tiger]

but for auric maelstrom u can just light spam a horde away

[dry cloak]

no?

it kills trash really fast

i have it paired up with fan fire revolver

on zealot i may add

[tough tiger]

i think the last time he used a heavy sword was back when he was still a new player or sth so he didnt get a good impression of the thing

[dry cloak]

vet has better options imo

[unreal nova]

Talking on vet mostly.

Since I only got like, nearly every melee maxed on her.

[dry cloak]

eh i used from march to the day relic blade came out

[unreal nova]

I started with knoife. Just sayin'.

[dry cloak]

knoife brain

[tough tiger]

yeah bro's perception is massively skewed

[dry cloak]

that what knife does to a person

[dry cloak]

mine or whos?

[unreal nova]

Shovel is funny sounds.

[tough tiger]

karien not yours lol

[tall torrent]

by understanding how it actually works lol

[dry cloak]

ok thanks

[tough tiger]

hsword goes hard on vet with the weakspot dmg node

[crimson pebble]

mulcher

[dry cloak]

but let me tell you gunker make me feel like im playing cod

mk9🤮 i hate the moveset

[tough tiger]

average hsword moment

[tall torrent]

heavy sword is basically "what if DC swords actually did damage"

[unreal nova]

That's the thing, I don't get how ppl can use it with lights and clear hordes, when it feels like they are still so many left even after spamming into the trash.

[tough tiger]

but you have to give up the parry

[dry cloak]

deathblow

[tough tiger]

wait did he sleep on deathblow?

[tall torrent]

at max headtaker stacks it can proc deathblow on groaners on light atks

[tough tiger]

thats like sleeping on brutal momentum

[tall torrent]

worth it

[unreal nova]

I should check to see what I have on mine since I forgot after giving up levelling it normally.

I'm just shoving duplicates into Hadron now.

[dry cloak]

i was testing it with bladed momentum

[tall torrent]

bladed momentum is ok but not as good as headtaker

its only use cases are against enemies that u normally can't hit 2 to activate the blessing

lol

[unreal nova]

But I'm pretty sure it was an on hit thing.

[dry cloak]

i mean not stopping and random shotgunner helps

[tall torrent]

bladed momentum is rending

[dry cloak]

sorry

[crimson pebble]

be cool if they gave hsword the superiority blessing off psyker sword

[dry cloak]

terminology hard for ogryn brain

[wanton dawn]

Yah need to pa emp ps into l1 for ws os combo into crusher mate. Use elt% or bm if not taking proper node

[dry cloak]

i dont even have hsword on vet

[wanton dawn]

Acronym are forbidden in my work presentations

[dry cloak]

heavy sword

[wanton dawn]

I was not talking about hsword

[dry cloak]

then what

[wanton dawn]

I was sarcastically mocking accronym-filled messages with a powersword combo description

Was not against you, to be clear

[grand perch]

omgwtfbbq

[dry cloak]

how do you like this gun

[wanton dawn]

Dont you want the rending on crit blessing ?

[dry cloak]

no

this is a boss damge gun mostly

and the second part of run n gun does wonders

[wanton dawn]

You have carapace on it though

[dry cloak]

occasional crusher

it kills crushers in 5 shots

this is not zarona wich one shots crusher with proper build

[wanton dawn]

Ah right, it is the cowboy one

[dry cloak]

yes

[umbral scaffold]

I’m new to the game. What are the best guns. I’m level 14 I just been using the recon laser and the left side skill tree. Any tips?

[wanton dawn]

At 14 there is no real tips to be given

Enjoy the game

[dry cloak]

ask for advice at level 30

[umbral scaffold]

🌞

Yes

So just play wait till end game

[dry cloak]

like really

[stoic thorn]

Aim and fire

[steady wolf]

Guns Up! stance icon bugged lol

[grand perch]

i prefer sustained fire over run n gun. as much as it hurts losing the added hipfire accuracy, the tradeoff is worthwhile if you want to specialise in bosses

[balmy flume]

only finalise build (be it tree or weapon) at level 30.
Try every weapon under the sun to find what hits your fancies.
learn to block and dodge when fighting close quarters
train yourself to stay in coherency.

All else can wait until after you have hit lvl 30.

[warm bolt]

To add to the point above, "best" guns vary based on their purpose - guns that work on damnation might not perform the best on havoc for example

So unless you pick like actually underpowered guns like laspistol or stubber pistol was it? you should be fine, just find what you're comfortable with first before experimenting

[steady wolf]

ayo?? bro lumped laspistol in with shredder autopistol 💀

[calm shard]

LASPISTOL

UNDERPOWERED

[steady wolf]

ikr lmoa

anyway the real advice is telling him to speedrun level to WS keystone so he can try double barrel without ever needing to reload cuz it's the most fun shit ever

actual cocaine with combat knife

[warm bolt]

I thought it was weak, i only have 1 braincell, sorry

[calm shard]

It's probably the best crit gun in the game ngl

it gets ghost

[steady wolf]

tbf it's not as fun without funny psyker shove so we 37% forgive you

[calm shard]

hits like a freight train on crits

also passive suppression immunity

[warm bolt]

Wait it has what a separate node provides?

[calm shard]

yeah

a few guns in this game are effectively immune to suppression passively

Helbore, and Laspistol are the only two I know of off the top of my head

[warm bolt]

I would like to apologize to laspistol, i wasnt familiar with it's game

[grand perch]

helbore, laspistol, shotgun, plasma, shredder autopistol. all immune to suppression

[steady wolf]

You mean your view won't just randomly jerk up and down when under fire while those are out?

[grand perch]

yup

[drowsy aspen]

Shredder autopistol OP

[analog jolt]

What talents should I mainly focus on? (I am also a beginner) or any recommended weapons I should look out for?

[autumn nacelle]

hey chat, what does the right click on the plasma gun do?

[grand perch]

be useless

[autumn nacelle]

it just precharges the gun right

[thick kestrel]

it's for doing the charged shots mode essentially, you can power up a more powerful hit by charging the gun before shooting.

it's advantages are... mixed at best.

yes it can let you do big singular hits but the way the gun is balanced you tend to get more damage out of the gun by shooting multiple normal shots over a single charged one.

so it's use tends to be rather niche

[stoic thorn]

I just fumbled a game I feel so bad

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/حضن-بو-gif-873756486592965272

its gonna be alright

[stoic thorn]

I

I was with a zealot and qe were fighting a Plague ogryn

With my other team dead

So I figured I could run for it and rez my mayes

And then the Zealot died and I got dogged

[stoic thorn]

I joined another game

That had my past teammate

I brought my bolter this time

I miss my vetovision

Plasma took it in the divorce

I think I'm better off zealoting

I keep fumbling what am I doing wrong

Should I go flak/unyielding on my plasma instead

[warm bolt]

Yeah it just charges a gun

Not sure the max percentage i just follow the vibe

[tough tiger]

is this a poem?

[pale sand]

Let’s you shoot through stuff you normally couldn’t like bulwark shields and thin boxes.

[pale sand]

I mean one of the best combos for modifiers

[austere pine]

i'm not the 2nd coming but i like to think i'm pretty close

only managed to do this thanks to my immense brain in getting an invis fully thrust charged and weapon specialist strengthened ds4 headshot crit onto the boss

[warm bolt]

Holy shit John Darktide

[austere pine]

wouldn't thrust still be preferred for 2nd blessing, instead of agile or precog though?

[odd sparrow]

Lets you do a charged shot at higher ammo and heat cost. It does more dmg and has more cleave. Its also the only way you can end up blowing yourself up

Its generally recommended to just spam left click tho

The only relevant breakpoints charged shots reach is taking down ogryns faster

[remote sonnet]

Full charge thrust takes a little too long while 1 charge is not significant enough.

[austere pine]

cool

[remote sonnet]

I used to run thrust on my psyker and once I hit auric damn/mael, I can't get value out of it.

[austere pine]

it's chill i was just curious

because it feels nice to be able to pop heads with it

would it apply to zealot also?

[remote sonnet]

I'm just giving you the context and my personal experience.

[austere pine]

it does make sense don't get me wrong

[remote sonnet]

For zealot, I don't know. I have thrust on chain axe. I have yet to use rapier in that class.

Though, zealot has many melee speed increase, so thrust might me more viable there?

[calm shard]

"has more cleave" is a bit of an understatement

anyways charged plasma shots also go through walls

trapper barely gets away just spend a bit of extra ammo and shoot her straight through the wall

annoying pox bomber chucking grenades from behind something? just shoot right through it nbd

[odd sparrow]

Uncharged also go through thin walls IIRC

[warm bolt]

Im pretty sure it goes through some fences but that's about it

[calm shard]

it goes through some fences and other very thin objects

same as the bolter

charged shots go through basically everything though

[hasty rain]

Most of the clutter like crates, barricades, etc. Count as 'thin' which is where most of the value is

Since shooters seem to gravitate to these

For the plasma gun, what should I be doing about charges?

It seems that pretty much anything that's not a boss or ogryn doesn't need a fully aimed charge and I can just briefly charge M1 for almost everything else?

[wanton dawn]

There are rare case where charged are necessary to reach a target. Still, it is even rarer to have immediately dangerous target that are reachable only by charge

In other word: just spam uncharged.

Even against big target it is better

[hasty rain]

Yeah my first run I was aiming at everything and ran out of ammo real quick so lesson learned

I assume the mark target keystone is king for this weapon?

[wanton dawn]

Ws is pretty good too

Both option are good

The left keystone (mf) is the only one that is poor with plasma

[light ridge]

Isn't mark target generally the best keystone? Easy 25% damage squad wide, 25% Toughness and Stamina recovery for you (and anyone else in coherency) no matter who kills the target from anywhere on the map

[hasty rain]

Ws just seems good for everything tbh

[wanton dawn]

I found WS build to be safer in pubs. Solo damage potential & survival is higher

Plasma is especially good at abusing agile engagement for breakpoint

[light ridge]

The other way around for me, I mark something, PUG suddenly wants to kill it, I get Toughness back

Even dealing with monsters, tag it and let the zealot go to town

[wanton dawn]

I play the same setup (ps+plasma) with WS & focus target. WS has a considerably better melee game and slightly worse ranged game. It is better at clutch.

[light ridge]

I don't understand the value of the extended damage node though, at most +7.5% damage for 10s

[wanton dawn]

The better the team though, the better FT becomes

[warm bolt]

Can you show your full skill tree please? I want to try that other node to compensate for my skill issue

[wanton dawn]

Its 12% with the 8 stacks nodes. Similar to 2 ½ fire team

[grand perch]

(but dont take 8 stacks node its a trap)

[wanton dawn]

Which one ?

[wanton dawn]

Heh

[warm bolt]

The WS one

[wanton dawn]

This is one of my version. Havent played it much since havoc came out

[warm bolt]

Aight thanks mate!

[wanton dawn]

If you go fire team instead of surv, you can grab more stuff