veteran-class

[crisp oak]

What I would run

(There are 2 flex points with this)

*and a point I accidentally clicked

[supple laurel]

ditch duck n dive, take desperado

[hollow ibex]

1 flex point, because you need to take redirect fire

[oak gorge]

anyone else sometimes put their finger in their gun when the other rejects aren't looking

[supple laurel]

also ditch catch a breath its useless

[hollow ibex]

he should be taking catch a breath actually

he's taking get back in the fight rn

which is just no good now these days

[crisp oak]

Only reason to take duck and dive is for stripped down

[supple laurel]

tell me a moment where youll be in a time where you need said toughness when theres no enemies within 8 meters

[crisp oak]

To scout out gunners

[hollow ibex]

more often than you think

[hollow ibex]

watch your own gameplay

[crisp oak]

More than 5% on tag

[hollow ibex]

it'll be helpful more oftehn than you think

[crisp oak]

Kill

[supple laurel]

8 meters isnt as big as you think

[crisp oak]

Which is the same point

Grenade tinkerer is also not needed

[hollow ibex]

and get back in the fight is basically pointless now these days

so catch a breath is the way to go

[crisp oak]

Eh, its a get in cover sorta thing

I would rather run mine and take out for blood and the specialist toughness regen

[hollow ibex]

catch a breath only really mattered in the past because of gunner stun bullshit

but that's not a thing anymore

[crisp oak]

It still helps you book it to cover

Then again I also play aggressively with vet

If you are running an exec stance build in a good team that will keep chaff off of you, cath a breath would be good

[hollow ibex]

you're prob sliding into cover anyway, so it's not necessary

[crisp oak]

Maybe Im dumb, but why does noone take target down?

Like it gives toughness regen to the whole team on gold tag, which you should constantly be doing and killing if you have gold tag

Like if Im taking focus target and I can spare a point I always take it

[hollow ibex]

target down is decent, i take it sometimes

[crisp oak]

Its free regen and will basically give you 25% toughness per specialist kill

If paired with the middle

[hollow ibex]

lower priority than redirect fire though

if you're taking FT, you should take redirect fire

[crisp oak]

I guess

[wicked inlet]

Whats a good aggressive vet build thats usable in both Auric and Havoc

[crisp oak]

Different builds for havok and auric

[wicked inlet]

Hmmm

[crisp oak]

Aggressive vets dont survive that long in havok

[wicked inlet]

Thats fair

Supports better then

[tame lodge]

Uh
If I were to guess

[crisp oak]

The generoc plasma gun fueling sword with shredders works in both I think

[tame lodge]

Frags with like infernus las weapon

[crisp oak]

Or the infernus lasweapons

[austere mica]

You can run your havoc build in auric but not your auric build in havoc

[crisp oak]

Your main weapon are shredders

[austere pine]

https://tenor.com/view/far-cry-release-me-joseph-seed-gif-12887358985963630884

[crimson pebble]

the tox bomber one is something else

woe 15 toxbombers upon ye

[tame lodge]

There's truth and it guides me 🗣️

[crisp oak]

This was my level 20, except goop instead of parasites

[vital wren]

Geez

I dread attempting to get the level 25 penance. I will definitely retreat back into my Noobliette afterwards.

[austere pine]

help

[austere mica]

Knives on g

Explode

[austere pine]

tfw people are zealot players out of necessity and not enjoyment

[grand perch]

i prefer knifes on ~

[austere pine]

i don't like knives on a normal day and i use them on havoc because there's no way to do it otherwise

that was my havoc 25

was because i demoted

[trim steppe]

Took like 9 attempts in a row but finally got True Survivor

Now I never have to do that again lol

[trim steppe]

25 isn't too bad, you could find some nice folk in LFG to hard carry you through for the pants

[vital wren]

Congrats!

[pastel pumice]

@austere pine

[austere pine]

what i wouldn't do for other modifiers

[pastel pumice]

By far, this is the most cursed H40 I've gotten

[austere pine]

what's the change between fading light 1 and 2

[pastel pumice]

Emperor, am I cooked?

Means things attack/shoot faster

With II, the second a gunner shoots

You're cooked if you don't duck/cover in 0.00325 seconds

[austere pine]

ah cool

[pastel pumice]

An exaggeration, but yeah

[trim steppe]

Hunting grounds power supply is actually awesome because it takes up a ton of points with the AI director. You get way fewer spawns

Gloriana is fuckin rough tho LOL

[austere pine]

gloriana with parasites

yucky

[vital wren]

I mean if you survive the first five minutes it's probably better than some other possibilities... 😄

[austere pine]

*if

[trim steppe]

That first data interrogation room sucks on havoc, it's just a 180 arc of 5000 shooters and like 2mm of cover

[pastel pumice]

Yeah you're right, its not as bad as Sniper Gauntlet/vent purge

[crude fiber]

Just be glad it isn't pox gas, the blight spreads, pox hardened skin

[oak gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/suck-in-air-super-powers-inhale-poison-subject13-gif-15527642

Don’t worry I’ll take care of that pox gas

[lapis osprey]

whats the current melee meta for havoc? PS struggles against crowds

[tall torrent]

Power sword, combat axe, duelling sword

For veteran

[oblique totem]

Don't do that.
It is probably unhealthy but absolutely unnerving to see.

[dire olive]

John Darktide when Hadron farts

[tacit sonnet]

what is the preferred laspistol mark?

[dire olive]

Depends on build

Deadshot? Mk X
No deadshot? Mk II

Or just personal preference

[tacit sonnet]

I wanted to do something like this

[dire olive]

With MF and Stance I would go Mk II, it can hit a lot of breakpoints with all that buff so it's just more ammo efficient

[tacit sonnet]

So probably no deadshot then?

Then I have 3 extra points

[dire olive]

You can but it might not be needed

[tacit sonnet]

Not sure where to spend them

[dire olive]

I would probably get one of the MF nodes that either gives more stacks or the stack gen when standing

[tacit sonnet]

Oh, right, I can get reciprocity

One billions crits from ghost please

[hollow ibex]

you'll prob want demo team over field improve

and catch a breath over get back in the fight

[tacit sonnet]

catch a breath? Why?

I don't need toughness when shooting at ranged enemies when there is no one near me

I need toughness when I am not shooting, which is when there are enemies near me

[hollow ibex]

it's more useful than people assume

especially if you don't have VOC

there are plenty of times where you're not noticing it, but it's helping you recover toughness

and also the other option sucks now

[latent parcel]

They both suck honestly

[hollow ibex]

catch a breath can be pretty useful in some situations, such as when you're clutching

it's not the flashiest talent, but it works / has utility

get back in the fight is basically useless now

[tacit sonnet]

What did they do to it?

[latent parcel]

Ya maybe. I don't see it tbh

[hollow ibex]

nothing, but the main thing it was taken to counter (i.e., stuns from gunners) is no longer a concern

[latent parcel]

Ur saying stuns from gunners isn't a concern? I've never not ran it so I guess I wouldn't know

[slow spade]

I mean I would hope so

surely you're not getting hit right?

UwU

[latent parcel]

You caught me I take 0 damage every game!

[serene bough]

I currently use catch a breath but im thinking about swapping over

I dont really find toughness regen at a distance so useful in a meta where VoC spam & toughness regen from other sources is so plentiful

[tacit sonnet]

It might've been because it was train, but catch a breath did literally nothing

I was watching my toughness for like half of this mission

Get back in the fight would not have done much more though

[serene bough]

Its really a question of which niche situation do you want to fill, getting a break from being stunned bc you played poorly or miniscule THP regen from the few situations enemies aren't surrounding you

Both are just tax in order to get survivalist

[latent parcel]

Very true.

[calm shard]

which combat axe is the good one again

it's the Rashad right

[hollow ibex]

yah

[calm shard]

why's it good

[hollow ibex]

hmm let me think

best horde clear weapon for vet ✅

[supple laurel]

yall

wth goes good with the brig command leathers

[hollow ibex]

very high single target dps ✅

[supple laurel]

literally no pants match it 😭

[hollow ibex]

takes no skill to use ✅

[slow spade]

rashad is bad, trust me

-sponsored by Nurgle

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/CZZs43IRlJQ?si=yBZUhnn9DafGAZt8

[past oriole]

is there a ranged weapon outside of the plasma that can deal with armoured elites very well? i wanna try the chainsword with a general shouty build

[calm shard]

helbore kills them too

bolter can as well

[calm shard]

okay no offense but looking at this clip it looks like the guy got very lucky with bruiser AI

basically none of them did their fast lunging attack

I don't doubt that you could do it anyways even if they all decided to spam that

But that clip makes it look a lot easier than it's actually going to be in similar situations in game

[tall torrent]

nah, I ran this trial a bunch of times

it's not that complicated

besides this is melee-only demonstration

in an actual game it's actually usually easier because enemies won't have flanking behaviour activated unless you're last man standing

[calm shard]

yeah they just spawn behind you or clip through your body instead

[calm shard]

why does focus have to be such a fun keystone

just headshot a guy and bam there's a third of my toughness back

[fading yarrow]

What's the dump stat for the shock maul?

Mobility or Crowd Control?

[terse idol]

Its because of the PA

[narrow frost]

mobility

[latent parcel]

yup not taking that in havoc 40 🤣

[fading yarrow]

Gotcha

How about Blessings?

[narrow frost]

check pins

[fading yarrow]

Oh is there a new guide? I have one but it doesn't have Shock Mauls in it

[gilded rock]

There's a special behavior that activates as last man?

So they try to get behind you more or?

[tall torrent]

Why

[tall torrent]

Enemies occupy slots when engaged in melee combat

If there’re no other players to have enemies fill their slots, all enemies would converge on the last player standing in flanking behaviour (surround)

[gilded rock]

Does that mean the last man standing has more slots to be filled?

Or just a matter of distribution?

[terse idol]

it's so good

Like unironically

What are ya taking?

[calm shard]

scoreboard mod lets me stroke my ego while doing relatively simple content

[narrow frost]

oh no, another victim of scoreboard

may you rest in peace

[calm shard]

I am going to tell people about my numbers any time I go down doing something stupid

I will intentionally be a bad teammate just so that I can get BIGGER NUMBERS

[tawny timber]

i refuse to touch scoreboard

[calm shard]

anyways I tried out combat axe, and shocker it's very good

It feels awful to use though

[tall torrent]

Did u have attack speed talents

[calm shard]

no I was using it on gun vet

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s not ideal for axe

Axe wants heavy melee investment

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-fresh-mr-fresh-cat-cat-demiaowa-hello-street-cat-gif-14005121929265449159

it still did well it just wasn't really fun to use

[tall torrent]

It’s a very simple weapon yea

[fading yarrow]

Shock maul is fun

So much damage, even on Damnation

And the hordeclear oh me oh my

[tawny timber]

seriously its so boring

[hollow ibex]

tbf

it's funni seeing four heretic heads go flying with every swing

the decapitation is just 👌

[serene bough]

Bigger better

Throwing the game for a higher damage number is truly the best strategy

[balmy flume]

Mission failed successfully

Because THE NUMBERS, MASON

WHAT DO THEY MEAN

/shitpost

[calm shard]

I'm considering putting up with the MK IV helbores garbage bayonet to be able to kill crushers faster

Can somebody talk me out of this because I've been enjoying stabbing things with the IIIa quite a bit

[balmy flume]

your bayonet will be useless against a full squad of Crushers

and your teammates happened to be off elsewhere for whatever reason

and unless you are TEH LEET PRO type

I doubt you can gun down a full squad of crushers fast enough

especially if they are stealth, close distant spawns

[past oriole]

#veteran-class message @tall torrent with this build do you run crucian roulette or point blank? i dont seem to be critting every time on redraw, but i dunno if letting weapon specialist reach high stacks was stopping it because i was running crucian

[pale pecan]

Surgical + Armorbane + Shock Trooper + Powersword stab to the face

[tall torrent]

Point blank

[past oriole]

how many stacks of point blank should i look for to guarantee a crit on redraw?

sorry if its a stupid question im just trying to understand how to get the crit to work consistently

[tall torrent]

It has no stacking behaviour

[past oriole]

ur right i just read it mb

[tall torrent]

Kill smth with melee, revolver gets +20% ranged crit chance for 2.5s (enough for 4 shots)

[past oriole]

reading hard

oh yeah this feels a lot more consistent

[calm shard]

I'm saying mostly because I'm playing exe stance+focus

and boy is a power sword with very few melee boosts not adequate for killing ragers, crushers, and maulers

[tame lodge]

You will enjoy Mk4 1-2 shots

https://tenor.com/view/mr-peabody-hypnotize-gif-18017563854157472082

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-dog-cat-cat-tired-sad-cat-gif-26990805

[tacit sonnet]

Take zealot with fotf thunder hammer marty, spam only special the entire game to get millions of damage (Don't look that it's overkill and your real damage didn't even reach 100k)

[latent parcel]

psword with bolt pistol, bolter with heavy sword, or the classic meta plasma with ds4 if im feeling like easy mode

[tall torrent]

Swap ur Rashad’s perks

[latent parcel]

bm with headtaker and what?

[tall torrent]

Carapace + elite/unarmored

Blessings are correct

[latent parcel]

whats a good side with it

i feel boss damage will be lacking

[tall torrent]

Nah

Rashad has better boss dps than most melee weapons

[latent parcel]

ill give it a shot with a recon then i dont have a loadout with that

[tall torrent]

You can run Rashad with realistically any gun that doesn’t require hard spec into middle and left

[latent parcel]

red nodes needed?

[tall torrent]

Red nodes help a lot in havoc because you actually get to kill elites in melee with them

[latent parcel]

i figured

[tall torrent]

And realistically speaking

No sane person goes into havoc melee elite fight without gold toughness anyway

So red nodes are gonna be active very often

For ur Boltpistol

Unarmored + maniac for perks

Boltpistol is a really wack gun

[latent parcel]

i do when im charge zealoting but thats a different story

i dont usually take maniac

i take unarmored tho

[tall torrent]

Flak doesn’t give Boltpistol new breakpoints

[latent parcel]

does maniac in havoc 40?

[tall torrent]

Cuz you’ll get the same scab gunner 1HS (regular game) with superiority complex

[tall torrent]

Maniac gives u 1HS trapper in havoc

[latent parcel]

i swear i already do that

with unarmored + flak

[tall torrent]

Without maniac u need a Crit

[latent parcel]

or maybe puncture finishes it

[tall torrent]

Or red nodes active

Nah puncture is not enough

Puncture is maybe 100 ish damage

[latent parcel]

100-150 ya

[tall torrent]

Trapper in havoc is up to 1350 health maniac

[latent parcel]

ill swap see if it feels better

[tall torrent]

Whatever gets you flamer 1HS in base game

Will get u trapper 1HS

In havoc

[latent parcel]

does lethal prox work if my melee is equipped when i throw a nade

[tall torrent]

Lethal prox works all the time

Execution is quite weird

[latent parcel]

i dont see the icon when i have my melee out so i didnt know

[tall torrent]

Inconsistent uptime

[tall torrent]

Yea the game is just very funny in coding

But it does work all the time

[latent parcel]

ill toss it back on

[tall torrent]

Rashad’s schtick in havoc is basically

You got a duelling sword that kills more than 1 guy at a time

But it doesn’t have as good mobility and needs 5 points into right side for atk speed

[latent parcel]

i mean id take that 5 points in any build tbh

[tall torrent]

I think BID’s value in havoc is lower than base game

[placid portal]

Wait, people use mk4 bayonet ?

[tall torrent]

Superiority complex is not needed in base game like 60% the time

But it kinda does more than BID in havoc

[latent parcel]

focus target or ws

ive never really used focus

[tall torrent]

For Boltpistol I think WS helps it a lot

[latent parcel]

well yeah im askin rashad

[tall torrent]

Having to reload that thing in the middle of melee is horrible

Rashad can go either

But if u already take superiority complex

[calm shard]

what is THAT

[latent parcel]

i only 1 point ws in all my builds

[tall torrent]

Focus target is basically out of reach

[tall torrent]

Bring it down

[tall torrent]

Always prepared is kinda needed for Boltpistol imo

[latent parcel]

i never feel like i need it

i even dropped it on my plas

[tall torrent]

It’s not needed for plasma

Plasma doesn’t reload much in the first place

[calm shard]

always prepared double barrel shotty

mince hordes in half a second

[latent parcel]

always prepared is just a wasted point imo unless ur relying on it

ive never not had ammo in my bpistol

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s really valuable for stuff like revolver / Boltpistol / shotguns

[calm shard]

yeah I don't take it unless I'm using very specific weapons

[tall torrent]

Outside of those I think it’s not needed

[calm shard]

revolver, and the shotguns are the ones I think of immediately

[latent parcel]

well i dont use revolver anymore and shotguns i havent touched

not sure ill switch that around i like my psword bpistol build where its at

ive never not had bullets when i need them

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol is like 2~3 shots to kill most things in havoc

8r mag

I think it benefits a lot

[latent parcel]

the reload time is so quick tho

[calm shard]

real

[latent parcel]

hey thats me

u better take me

alright ill take this rashad recon into high havocs

[latent parcel]

what havoc level u doin i got a new loadout that needs testing

[calm shard]

28 atm

it's a clandestum gloriana

[latent parcel]

is it on party finder

[calm shard]

well it is now

[latent parcel]

whats ur ign? not seeing it

[calm shard]

my vets name is John-Warhammer

[latent parcel]

sent

[little lion]

Best ver weapons?

[latent parcel]

@tall torrent whats the trick against moebian 21st those guys didnt care at all about my axe

[wanton dawn]

If i had to guess, caxe bps really hate havoc life increase

[faint beacon]

Shredder spam

[latent parcel]

And if your out of shredders? Seems bad against them

[ashen cosmos]

whats the go to perks and blessings for a revolver

[grand perch]

me coming back from christmas break

[light ridge]

Between Demolitionist, Demolition Stock Pile and Field Improv shredders are endless on Damnation and up

[balmy flume]

Perfectly timed voicelines.

[wanton dawn]

Said with 1 wound left and a dead guy. Truly fitting

[unreal nova]

Lies. 5% just hates me. I can sit 59 secs at 0.

Auric mael btw.

[light ridge]

The Demolitionist giveth, Demolitionist taketh
Random be random, sometimes I'm out for 60 seconds sometimes I'm suddenly sitting on 3-4 nades

[unreal nova]

Never me.

Unless I loot a crate.

[light ridge]

I also notice that nowadays only Ogryn seem to pick up nades and maybe Immolation Zealots
So when those are not on the team I'm not above grabbing some from a nearby crate to keep the fireworks going

[unreal nova]

Will be thankful if I even get a +1, let alone 3-4 lul.

[light ridge]

I might have finally figured out shovel, doing some field testing tonight
Skullcrusher+Thrust

[unreal nova]

I think someone told about it before?

[light ridge]

Someone might have but it didn't work for me
Mk3 seems the better choice for cracking armor

[unreal nova]

I told you that.

7 is just too slow.

Sure, it does both hordes and st, but is like poor man ver of either.

[light ridge]

You did, thanks
I just needed some time to make it work for me

[unreal nova]

3 is just, cracks open stuff. Is just having to get used to thrust.

Sometimes I rather just do it twice and not take thrust lul.

3 is fast enough to get away with it on lower diffs.

[light ridge]

I also wonder about the value of thrust, I never seem to wait for full stacks

[unreal nova]

Maybe I should dook around in psykanium more on it just to see if it can meet bps without.

[light ridge]

I haven't tested the Chained Power one yet, I don't know if the In-Out of the shovel procs it

It does proc armourbane

[unreal nova]

But yeah, don't think it matters so much on havoc, cos by the time it matters, don't bring shovel lul.

Is a funni weapon, but it's not high tier and better melees already suffer there to a degree lul.

[unreal nova]

Ah. I also wonder if the out counts as chained or not tbh.

I do normally use decimator + skullcrusher though.

But it usually requires 2 folded bonks.

Do note I have never used the melee side of the vet tree. So that could be why.

So is usually just running on elite+oggy+10% rend.

[wanton dawn]

You're missing out

[unreal nova]

Since that's the usual revolver thing.

[hot badge]

Hi

[unreal nova]

I mean, I only dipped into it for onslaught for meme recon or tactical reload.

Cos reloading a revolver without it is pain.

[latent parcel]

People take field improv?!

[unreal nova]

Same for my bolt pistol.

[unreal nova]

I do, on every vet build.

I hate ppl who grab grims.

[latent parcel]

I need you on my team

[unreal nova]

They can go die to doggo.

[latent parcel]

I never take it

You should grab the grim first and break it

[wanton dawn]

Most ppl don't. It is only meta for karnak

[unreal nova]

I still do anyway.

[latent parcel]

Your a nice person.

[unreal nova]

Watching an oggy just have fun is fun.

4 nukes is funni kay?

[wanton dawn]

That's your build, idc

[latent parcel]

Very true

[hot badge]

Hi

[unreal nova]

I'm a simple kitten, things go boom is gud.

[latent parcel]

You just like the boom sound don't lie

[unreal nova]

KABOOM!

[latent parcel]

When's it havoc time karien

[unreal nova]

Nu. Nu rike havoc. Must choir girl in it.

[latent parcel]

Nahhhhhh

Charge zealot all the way

[unreal nova]

GL getting in a lobby then.

I'm too low lvl for most already.

[latent parcel]

Ah

They take me instantly usually

True survivor title and I'm in

[unreal nova]

I get rejected for being under 100.

[latent parcel]

😦

[inland orchid]

I get rejected for not being a preacher

[unreal nova]

Only shiny trinkets I have is now hard mode twins first try and funny malice 15 no downs.

[latent parcel]

Sheesh putting in work

[unreal nova]

Former is basically psyker mains carrying.

Latter is random zealot bs go.

[latent parcel]

I did twins when it came out and haven't touched it since

[unreal nova]

But yes, my psyker both smyker and burn get insta rejected.

I think I only ever got into one lobby with her and it's havoc 2.

A.k.a. random bs go, still win anyway.

[latent parcel]

That makes me sad

[unreal nova]

I asked Chaos for a carry through it. Found out pugs were awful.

[latent parcel]

I took a zealot that was lvl 75 into a 28 and he died 9 times. Still cleared tho

[unreal nova]

Like, when a first timer is being downed less, not sure what is going wrong.

[latent parcel]

I don't remember twins lol

[unreal nova]

Still got a carry though. The harder runs are all close to target lvl. Teamwork is dreamwork.

[unreal nova]

I only know heresy machanics.

Mostly cos did the 20 mins zealot thing on it.

[latent parcel]

Ah

Your penance queen

Havoc has some of those. Better get it!

[unreal nova]

Nu.

[latent parcel]

Ya

[unreal nova]

I saw 40 once, we did not get out of the first area.

[latent parcel]

Lolol

[unreal nova]

3 good players cannot carry a very confused 300 ping person.

[latent parcel]

40 is great time trust

It's doable

Me and my buddy carried 2 randoms through a 34

[unreal nova]

And I only know spam holy symbol gud.

[latent parcel]

It was a 28 death game and it took 1 hour and 7 minutes

[unreal nova]

Otherwise poke things in hed and pray for crits.

Yes, I took my ds4.

Is that or knife.

Need crits.

[latent parcel]

Ya those are good with chorus

Your doing it right

[unreal nova]

If shit gets bad, pull out burn gun.

But remember, limited fuel.

I remember 26.

1 drop of fuel per elite cos survivalist.

[latent parcel]

Truee

What's ur havoc clearance?

[unreal nova]

And you need to feed the vet ammo as well.

I skipped 25.

[latent parcel]

Nice

[unreal nova]

Got into a group of 24-27.

[latent parcel]

Your close to 30. That's where it gets fun

[unreal nova]

They didn't mind my lvl.

[latent parcel]

Most people don't if ur havoc level is close

[solar tiger]

30+ is cancer

[latent parcel]

Nah

[unreal nova]

Could be carried though.

[latent parcel]

30+ is all I play

[unreal nova]

AgentChaos carried 20-24 lul.

[solar tiger]

im waiting to start my 40 rn, but it's still cancer

idgaf

[unreal nova]

I just exist to panic hard.

And panic harder if last one alive.

[solar tiger]

that's why I play zealot, book + firestorm = carry the worst teams

[unreal nova]

One run was saved only cos until death.

Ate crusher overhead rescuing Chaos lul.

[latent parcel]

lmao

crusher and mauler overheads 1 shotting is so beautiful

[unreal nova]

It procced, everything is fine.

[latent parcel]

😄

[unreal nova]

Panic for 2 mins after since 1 real hp.

[latent parcel]

yup. gotta play safe!

[solar tiger]

I literally had to adjust my trinkets since the game came out cuz of them

The corruption on an overhead necessitates corruption resistance

[latent parcel]

or u just dont get hit?

[solar tiger]

on 40

shit happens

[unreal nova]

Or until death.

[latent parcel]

then u deserve to die lol

[solar tiger]

k

[unreal nova]

Would it actually save you then?

[latent parcel]

i have no idea. i dont run corruption res

[solar tiger]

if you ignore the twat, ya it does

[unreal nova]

IDK, I just die from gunner in 40.

NGL.

[solar tiger]

yep

[latent parcel]

the twat sorry u took a big hammer to the face. you deserve to die 🤣

[solar tiger]

trinkets are gunner resistance and corruption resistance across the board

makes a big diff

especially with some of the hazard conditions

[unreal nova]

I just run 1 of each.

Cdr, stam regen, toughness.

[latent parcel]

ya thats what i usually run

[solar tiger]

I never run out of stam, I stopped using it

[unreal nova]

I usually need it pugging normal runs.

Picking ppl up situations.

[solar tiger]

yeah, book + res makes it free

[unreal nova]

I guess I could chorus, but randos don't pick randos up at times.

Is basically why some more silly vet builds I have still run In death does duty end.

You can pick ppl downed near ledges or above.

Just hope the psyker perils themselves before the net hits, heh.

[solar tiger]

it's so worth it, if you're talking about what I think you're talking about

the shout reviving people, right?

[latent parcel]

ive never taken that node on any build

but if it works for you then great

[unreal nova]

Yeah. You don't need it in premades though.

[solar tiger]

true, but it's 1 measly point and can ress 3 people at a time... pug clutch king

[unreal nova]

But if you pugging, yeah.

[latent parcel]

whats the shout cd turn into with the node active?

[solar tiger]

1 point isn't gonna make a big difference in the grand scheme of a mission, but reviving 1 or 2 people on cooldown?

[unreal nova]

45 secs cd.

[latent parcel]

ewwwww

[wanton dawn]

45s cd, reduced area

[unreal nova]

I only take it if solo pugging.

[latent parcel]

oh the reduced area

yikes

[unreal nova]

Cos getting 3x lvl 6 in malice and 2x lvl 10 in heresy been happening.

[latent parcel]

oh problay ya

your a nice person picking them up like that!

[unreal nova]

I just can't carry solo though.

I'm pretty bad myself in a way.

[latent parcel]

ya but your under 100

still learning the ropes

[unreal nova]

Naw, always bad. No mechanical skill tbh.

[latent parcel]

it legit comes with time

how many hours u got in this game?

[wanton dawn]

Too many

[latent parcel]

i bet i got you beat lol

[unreal nova]

240~?

[latent parcel]

ya thats nothing lol

unless u came from a background of these kinds of games

[unreal nova]

I do.

Co-op horde shooters.

[latent parcel]

btw tried sunder on the psword for 2-3 games and didnt like it. back to slaughterer!

arent you on controller?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[latent parcel]

oh

that makes it so much harder

[unreal nova]

Unless you want me to use my mouse which takes like 9 swipes to the left to spin around once.

[latent parcel]

whats ur dpi? lol

[unreal nova]

No table space.

[latent parcel]

ahhh

[latent parcel]

ya im 1200

new table time!

[unreal nova]

I can play some games with m&k, but shooters, nope.

[latent parcel]

😦

[unreal nova]

Well, nazi zombie was fine when I needed to snipe but still.

I just reach for mouse to plink heads in sniper spot.

Then go back to controller.

[latent parcel]

so much effort!

[unreal nova]

Zombie army games. You know Sniper elite?

[latent parcel]

i do

[unreal nova]

But yeah, I do play quite abit of similar games so.

Also used to VT2. But the lag gets bad and I got sick of IB Bardin.

[latent parcel]

i played vt2 when it released

for awhile

but quit and never came back

[unreal nova]

Cos ppl all want the fancier chars.

And not carry books.

[latent parcel]

ya thats true

[unreal nova]

Also, they get mad when I can't platform for grims.

[wanton dawn]

That's fine

[unreal nova]

The game has a 1 sec delay before I jump.

Every game is like playing Borderlands 1 peer2peer.

You don't have jump if you aren't the host.

[latent parcel]

rough

[unreal nova]

And ppl hated the one thing I enjoy.

Keri with shotbow inf ammo brrrrrrrr.

[latent parcel]

i didnt play the 1st one 😦

[unreal nova]

Is just the recon las inf ammo but more stable imo.

Like, I can run out in DT.

If I shoot into hordes.

[unreal nova]

Borderlands 1? But barring the brown on brown, has the best chars. Or is just me.

I like Lilith.

[latent parcel]

i just wasnt there for it

playing other games

[unreal nova]

Ah. I played it late though.

When it was GOTY for $8.

I miss when big games drop to sub$10.

Now big sales is like $20.

Unless in a bundle.

[latent parcel]

ya it sucks

havoc time. wya karien

[unreal nova]

Where I'm at?

[latent parcel]

ya its time to play some havocs

[unreal nova]

I'm dog walking.

[austere pine]

havoc is gonna make me commit curze

[austere pine]

havoc 24 and i get havoc 19s and 20s asking to join

i get 22s asking to join

and then i get people who are actually at havoc 25 level or above trying to help

[unreal nova]

I was 24 joining 26.

[austere pine]

and people are going down before things get tough

little teeny hordes on parasite and corruption spreads

nothing difficult and people are going down

why

[unreal nova]

I'm in APAC anyway.

[austere pine]

can't make this shit up

dude i can't

[unreal nova]

It happens. I ask to join up to 3 lvls higher than I am at tbh.

[austere pine]

this is havoc 24

this isn't havoc 12 like you're saying

[unreal nova]

I said 26.

[austere pine]

first guy hasn't experienced aurics maybe

second guy hasn't even played a maelstrom

[unreal nova]

I have not done aurics.

[austere pine]

and sure 26 but nobody want me

i think i need to advertise myself better

need some auric exemplar

or ass

[unreal nova]

I have nothing of that sort. I'm honestly not even mechanically sound. I break into full panic often enough to even stress some people.

I just know it's just a game and one should just try to have fun in it.

If party finder is that bad, why not just LFG and ask for carries.

[balmy flume]

TBF asking to join higher at lower rank was how I got my 35/40 Havoc penances.

I ultimately judge by whether people are “quitters”

(Although in my case I do have one of the Auric penance titles on display)

[austere pine]

i do trust gold and purple titles more than blues and greens

but in my case, people who have those titles are my havoc rank anyway

[unreal nova]

Naw. I lack them and is 26.

[austere pine]

it's literally about luck with teammates

it's ranked

[serene bough]

Still need to attempt true survivor penance

I'll get to it eventually

[unreal nova]

Too lazy if they all work like that 15 no downs.

Was tiring enough to gamble even on a half competent team.

Cos need at least 2 ppl on objectives.

[light ridge]

It's in almost all my builds now

[light ridge]

Back from grocery shopping, I was testing with this build, replace shock maul with Mk3 Shovel
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9dd22cc4-83d2-4119-b462-c4949760b7f8
Managed to one shot a marked crusher out of stealth

[unreal nova]

Unless you play premades, is always good to bring tbh.

[light ridge]

More BOOM is always good

[unreal nova]

Cos someone else might also have it. And I always do since I have stupid builds anyway.

[light ridge]

When at first you don't succeed use more explosives

[unreal nova]

Kaboom! NYHAHAHAHAHA!

Well, when not tryhard builds on havoc anyway.

[green siren]

@austere pine btw

it's the first time i don't hit any top dmg stats

y'all were actually that good

[austere pine]

i sucked

only reason i did a lot of damage

was because of horde spam

and holding left click on bosses lol

and heavy attacking captains

[green siren]

well, that's what all must do on this game

i got total top score only because i opened most of battery cases in the end, lmao

[austere pine]

sure but that's the only thing i did

i also spam tossed grenades when we were getting overwhelmed

all i did

[green siren]

that's what vet must do

2 other dudes where also good, god damn

i got myself a competition here

[unreal nova]

So, everything went good?

[umbral scaffold]

I'm yet to find a dark tide player as good as these discussions

[final locust]

havent played in a while, is this a new game mode that just does waves?

[unreal nova]

Eh, I'm bad. Some will say I'm alright just massive lack of confidence.

[green siren]

Havoc25

[green siren]

yes, with little sprinkles of funny

[unreal nova]

Explain funni.

[green siren]

map was Chasm Logistratum (where u have to extract 5 fuel tanks from 2 wagons)

[unreal nova]

The ammo box fetch quest.

[green siren]

maybe that

[unreal nova]

Did someone fly off.

[green siren]

no

do you remember there is a map part when u go in "metro-like" area?

[unreal nova]

Yeh.

[green siren]

most of people usually wiped there

we got almost wiped there too

[unreal nova]

I know.

Usually boss there.

[green siren]

it was

chaos spawn

2 dudes got down

spawn ran at the 3rd guy

by some miracle 2 sneaky gunners who downed the first 2 dudes decided to relocate instead of mauling down me too

i got those 2 up and we clutched

[unreal nova]

Oh. Maybe wanted to shoot guy 3.

Happens.

[green siren]

also got downed myself in those that tricky 3-way chamber

killed a crusher, and a shotgunner's animation fell smoothly right crusher's death

so instead of being blocked by crushers body, all that shot went into my face

[unreal nova]

Happens. Mistakes just happen.

[green siren]

aside from these 2 moments it was real smooth

people knew how to prioritize targets, i just corrected their positioning a little bit

[unreal nova]

Ah. I mean, it's how it is. Some ppl just need pokes in the right way.

[grand perch]

finally cracked havoc 40

[green siren]

now take a shower

[grand perch]

strange that i put a lot of thought into a laspistol based build with smokes, when in the end i did best by picking up my old plasma + psword tryhard build and modifying it slightly

[green siren]

laspistol

[grand perch]

its has a lot of qualities that elevate it for havoc

[grand perch]

access to ghost, ammo efficient with shocktrooper, great hipfire, immunity to suppression, infernus for pus hardened enemies...

but the raw killing power wasnt cutting it over havoc 30 anymore, teams needed more damage from me

[green siren]

glad to hear it

was about to whoop yo ass if you would try to laspistol-bruteforce havoc40

[grand perch]

the real question is

how many people do i wanna troll by bringing tac axe + laspistol

and ofc infiltrate

[green siren]

if you will host those havoc40?

troll however you like

however, if i see you joining me with that bitchass small-balls tiny-dick energy build:

[unreal nova]

Host does whatever they want.

[green siren]

^

[unreal nova]

Others should go less meme.

[green siren]

^x2

[unreal nova]

Unless everyone agrees to meme.

Or is 1-10.

Because really, 1-10 isn't that hard if you can play random normal maelstrom.

[green siren]

ye, any build would work on 1-10

[umbral scaffold]

Hey returing player here are there any basic simple builds y can recommend ? gotta realern the game ^^

[green siren]

preferable class? preferable weapons?

[umbral scaffold]

im a veteran tahts why i posted here
i dont have any pref weapons for now so im more looking for a basic build too use untill i find waht i want^^

[green siren]

one sec, loggin in

1. Melee weapon: dump Mobility/Defense, max out every other stat, like this:

2. Range weapon: dump Mobility/Collateral/Stability, max out everything else, like this:

there are some exceptions, but you will understand them with experience

[unreal nova]

Generally dumping mobility if you don't wanna math hard.

You still get all dodges.

[green siren]

Curios:

try to get 410+Rating on ur 3 Stamina curio because of some weird calculations i am not competent about you will actually get less stamina if your Rating is less than 410

[unreal nova]

Always 410+ for +3 stam. Is fake if 400 or below.

Tested on so many now.

[green siren]

it doesn't apply to Toughness curios, so feel free to get anything you want in that regard

[unreal nova]

Same for hp.

No worries if it's 400 or below.

What you pick is based on how you play and what feels more important to you.

[umbral scaffold]

tahts a lot

[unreal nova]

Some ppl can play with 3x +3 stam.

[green siren]

i saw one such gigachad

i trembled in fear

[unreal nova]

It will mean you are glass, but if you can pull it off, inf push attacks and such.

[calm shard]

stam trinkets gross

am bad

[unreal nova]

Shush. Deadshot memes need it.

[heavy rover]

Wanna see how fast I can burn through stamina?

1 deadshot recon later

Wanna see me do it again?

[unreal nova]

XD

[warm bolt]

[sleek garden]

What is that face

[warm bolt]

On the guardsman in the meme?

An "alien" that was found in Mexico that turned out to be a complete hoax from a guy famous for alien hoaxes

[umbral scaffold]

seems like a lot too take in tbh^^

[trim steppe]

Running one +3 stam is nice as a general purpose curio. Having more stam for running/pushing/blocking/reviving feels really nice

[latent parcel]

yup 1 stam curio is goated

[hollow ibex]

i used to take one +3 stam curio in all builds

but eventually took it off, just doesn't feel necessary for the way i play

i still take stam curios for deadshot builds tho

[latent parcel]

its users choice honestly. i really enjoy it for havoc

[trim steppe]

Its never necessary but it usually just makes things feel better. For me anyway

[latent parcel]

^

[hollow ibex]

yeah whatever works best

[light ridge]

what's better 30% weakspot damage or 10% crit and 25% finesse damage ?

Desperado vs Precision Strikes

[heavy rover]

is it for a range build or more melee focused build? Desperado is only for melee, while Precision Strikes is for both ranged and melee

[grand perch]

both are top tier talents, generally if you have to choose, pick the one that costs less points to reach

but the question would be if you arent better off getting both anyway

[unreal nova]

Anyone willing to carry eu havoc 18?

[grand perch]

inv me in a minute

[unreal nova]

Kay.

Do note, we are on call but yeah, one isn't feeling confortable with vc.

Outside of closed group.

Do you want another class or 3 zealots is fine?

[grand perch]

doesnt matter lets go

[tacit sonnet]

Can someone give me a melee vet build with ps?

[light ridge]

I can only take one to support heavy investmentin the middletree, using bolt pistol I'm less concerned with ranged accuracy

Similarly I'm wondering which is better: Hunter's Mark or Close Quarter Kill Zone

[warm bolt]

If y'all still up i could join

[tame lodge]

Precision

You see

25 finesse is weakspot and crit damage

[light ridge]

Wouldn't that make Desperado better?

[tame lodge]

Not really
Precision strikes is ranged and melee

While desperado is just melee

[light ridge]

True but Desperado let's me get up to 25% crit along the way and/or 15% damage for 10s

My shout build can fit both so I'll try that in any case
My Infiltration build needs to choose, Desperado seems to make most sense

[tame lodge]

You're passing on free 30% weakspot damage

Weird choice ngl

[hollow ibex]

i can get it with infiltrate tbf

[light ridge]

I might not fully understand how finesse works...

[hollow ibex]

the pathing to weakspot damage on infiltrate is pretty brutal

[vale wraith]

Finesse is just the multiplicator of damage on crits and weak spot hits iirc

[light ridge]

I'm going up the middle anyway so it's doable

[hollow ibex]

well if you got points to spare

i rarely have points for bottom left if i'm taking infil

[vale wraith]

You could just drop field improv and passive grenade regen if you’re already taking demo team, that lets you get precision strikes.

Field improvement is especially unnecessary imo

Also not taking low profile?

It’s a bit too good to pass up tbh

[light ridge]

I feel you take either 50% damage reduction or -90% threat, you don't need 10s of damage reduction if you're not going to be attacked for 10s

[vale wraith]

Yeah, not taking damage is far better than taking reduced damage

[light ridge]

I was trying to not ditch all the aggro on the rest of my team

[hollow ibex]

oh i just realize the build is posted

[vale wraith]

Your team should be fine, most builds should be able to deal with having ONE less team mate

[hollow ibex]

honestly you can drop overwatch and surprise attack

def surprise attack, it's pretty meh

and field improv like postal said

you don't even necessarily need to take hunter's resolve or low profile imo, but that's up to you really

get back in the fight is basically useless, i'd take catch a breath instead

[light ridge]

Low profile tends to make the difference in getting that button pushed, that container delivered or that team mate up

[hollow ibex]

only if your ult was poorly timed tbh

but up to you, it's just one point

[vale wraith]

Eh, when shit like shout, venting shriek and relic exist having one less team mate doesn’t make a difference

Most teams usually have at least one of those

[light ridge]

Or mobs gets in the way, regularly I get stuck trying to reach someone when poxwalkers surge in

[hollow ibex]

i will say low profile is very funny as a skill check for the team

but it's literally useless if you're clutching

[vale wraith]

If you’re playing stealth you’re gonna abandon your team for the specialist picks anyway so having a safety net while you do that is helpful

And clutching up with stealth is easy anyway lol

[hollow ibex]

oh and you want redirect fire if you're taking FT

[light ridge]

Thanks, made some tweaks on both my shout and my infiltration builds
Now get my kid to sleep so I can test it out

[unreal nova]

Is done, but thanks for the offer. Was mostly a mess with someone doing 18, someone skipping to 18 and I'm just there hanging out.

[hollow ibex]

depending on weapon selection, i'd go something like this

2 flex points

but you can drop demo stockpile for 4 flex points

[vale wraith]

I would honestly drop demo stockpile for precision strikes and fully loaded

And then maybe pick up toughness on mark kill

[hollow ibex]

def don't need fully loaded, precision strikes is likely unnecessary with bistol if you have FT

and agile engagement will pick up the slack

[light ridge]

Yup, I only have ammo problems on boss missions

[hollow ibex]

going to be more of a melee focused build though, this one

oh oops, take AE instead of serrated blade

don't take serrated blade

[vale wraith]

It’s so good wdym

[hollow ibex]

fully loaded? it's nice for some builds, not necessary for melee-focused ones

[light ridge]

Weapons I'm testing out chainsword, combat axe, shockmaul and shovel

[vale wraith]

I like having a lot of ammo, what can I say. (I suck dick at aiming)

[hollow ibex]

if you're spending 2/3rds of the time in melee and primarily shooting to kill specialists and proc AE, fully loaded isn't needed

[vale wraith]

Nah, serrated blade, ignore the fact that shredders just exist

[hollow ibex]

serrated blade's single use case is for mercy killer knife, that's it

[vale wraith]

Yeah lmao

[vale wraith]

Isn’t grenade tinkerer a little unnecessary? Should you not just drop it for something else?

Or does it affect bleeding stacks or something

[hollow ibex]

i just really like nades

[vale wraith]

Fair enough

[hollow ibex]

and if you're taking bistol...

yes, i want my nades hitting the entire map, tyvm

[vale wraith]

Honestly never experimented that much with tinkerer

[light ridge]

It's fun, got another nade build with all the nades except twinned

[hollow ibex]

tinkerer + lethal prox on bistol = you can hit everything in the psyk with shredder bleed stacks from the center of psyk

[vale wraith]

Tinkerer affects bolt pistol?

[light ridge]

The other way around

[vale wraith]

Wdym

[hollow ibex]

lethal prox gives 25%(iirc) bonus radius to frags

[serene bough]

Lethal prox applies to nades

[vale wraith]

Oh really?

[serene bough]

Yeah, and tinkerer gives extra radius

[light ridge]

Yup

[hollow ibex]

yeah i have a dedicated bistol grenadier build... and it's a thing of beauty

[serene bough]

So they give you silly grenade radius

[vale wraith]

That’s ridiculous

[light ridge]

Bleeds for everyone

[hollow ibex]

i take field improv too, because why the fuck not

waiter, waiter, more shredders please

[serene bough]

You'll be able to bleed enemies into your next game with that radius

[vale wraith]

Just hog ammo crates and you get 12 free grenades

[hollow ibex]

i might've done that before...

[serene bough]

16 if you grab the extra talent on the right

[vale wraith]

I respect it lmao

[hollow ibex]

oh yes, i definitely did

[serene bough]

I always hog the ammo crate when I bring field improv

[light ridge]

Field Improv let me clutch at least once when a horde overwhelmed the rescue area
Dropped the box, loaded up on nades , pretended I was Santa and freed everyone

[serene bough]

Shredders for all

[hollow ibex]

Shredders for allmeeeeeeee

[vale wraith]

A whole squad of that build would be hilarious, especially with demo team proccing 24/7

[hollow ibex]

anyway yeah highly recommend giving a grenadier build a go

peak vet right there

[light ridge]

Makes Ogryn happy too

[primal zealot]

Can confirm

[vale wraith]

Need to try this shit out on enhanced blitz

24 free nades every Ammo box

W/o grenadier ofc

[light ridge]

Had the chance a few days ago, so many nades

[serene bough]

Oh yeah enhanced blitz is a thing

[vale wraith]

And it is peak tbh

[serene bough]

24 nades is crazy

But fully necessary

[honest geyser]

???

[hollow ibex]

theoretically 144 bleed stacks... but you won't be able to drop the nades fast enough

[serene bough]

Gold toughness op

[hollow ibex]

counterpoint: havoc is now a thing 🤷‍♂️

[honest geyser]

Yeah, exactly.

[vale wraith]

Doesn’t need to go, but VoC is just too overpowered.

Fun though

[hollow ibex]

it's funny how nobody gave a shit about relic before havoc though

[solar tiger]

VoC?

[hollow ibex]

voice of cummand

[solar tiger]

oh voice of command

[serene bough]

Voice of command

[vale wraith]

Voice of command

[serene bough]

Hat trick

[solar tiger]

ty lol

[serene bough]

Relic and BoP both got their havoc spotlight

[solar tiger]

idk if VoC is "op", I think others just need to be as fun/useful as each other

[vale wraith]

Duty and Honour should get the cool-down increase that the other modifier has

[serene bough]

VoC alone is not too bad but in combination with tac awareness and iron will its really busted

Which is a really low point investment considering how powerful it is

[vale wraith]

Tac awareness is ridiculous too as well

[solar tiger]

idk, havoc 40 has shown me nothing is "op", it's just viable or not lmao

[serene bough]

Idk if I wanna use havoc as a litmus test for balance

[vale wraith]

Havoc 40 is just bullshit artificial difficulty so I don’t really care about it

[serene bough]

Auric vs havoc are definitely different games, but I still think auric is where Darktide shines the most

[solar tiger]

you have to use it as a litmus test, it's the entire second half of pH volume lol

[vale wraith]

Auric should be what the game is balanced around

Not havoc

[solar tiger]

disagree completely

but allg

at least half of the ppl are playing havoc it feels like, so if half your playerbase is in a certain mode/difficulty, not balancing with it in mind is... arbitrary to the say the least

[serene bough]

Idk where half the player base is but I really dislike how havoc increases HP of enemies

[vale wraith]

I just hate how deadly shooters are

[solar tiger]

so do I... there should be more, not randomly tougher

[vale wraith]

Everything about the mode is okay, but shooters just ruin it for me.

[solar tiger]

ye, positioning is everything in havoc

[vale wraith]

I do love stuff like the scab and drag captains, that needs to be in auric.

[solar tiger]

it's annoying

[serene bough]

I dont mind gunners but I run ghost a lot to counter them

Sometimes I peak a corner only to evaporate from the incoming damage lol

[solar tiger]

everyone runs damage res against gunners afaik for a reason

[vale wraith]

I’m fine with elite gunners being deadly, just slightly tune the shooters

[solar tiger]

ye, but what i mean is, they're the most consistent damage your going to take

so if we had shooter res, we'd all use it

let's be honest

[serene bough]

I dont take gunners resistance

Bc ghost

[vale wraith]

Yeah me neither

[solar tiger]

i don't play vet, so idk

[serene bough]

Reapers are truly terrifying though

Especially pushardened ones

[solar tiger]

ya they hurt lol

can't CC them and they just spray you in melee

[vale wraith]

They never stagger as well lmao

In auric they’re actual pussies but my god they had a glow up

[serene bough]

I still need to grind 50 more havoc for the title and I really don't wanna

[vale wraith]

I need true survivor but that’s about it

[serene bough]

Oh yeah that too

[vale wraith]

Probably not gonna touch havoc after that

Will say, it definitely whipped my ass up into being a better player.

So it’s really good practise lol

[serene bough]

Im not a fan of the meta

[vale wraith]

Ability wise it’s not as inflexible as people make it out to be, but the meta weapons are basically needed

[serene bough]

I dont like how hp inflation for enemies, hp reduction for alllies, and generally the modifiers make everything feel bloated and slower to play

Its basically survive while DoTs clean up a lot of the garbage on screen

[grand perch]

i like that it feels different to play to auric/mael. but it wont be my favorite long term

[vale wraith]

I dislike the groaners and Poxwalkers getting health increases, it feels okay on elites though

Pox hardened skin just gimps ranged weapons so bad though

[serene bough]

Yeah, pushardened is really a drag

[vale wraith]

And I mostly play exec stance so I weep when I have to play with it

[latent parcel]

shredder bolt pistol build in havoc 39. that was alota fun

[solar tiger]

nah, leave the HP as it is and just inflate the spawn rate if you want it harder... Making enemies bullet sponges is just boring

[vale wraith]

Ehhh, they’re not that more spongey, except ogryn enemies and flamers

Bulwarks are just beyond tanky

Being able to survive a krak is just too much

[grand perch]

<row_verminboard_score> is my favorite stat

[latent parcel]

vermin board is dope

[little lion]

What are vets best guns?

[latent parcel]

theres many. pick what u like

[grand perch]

dunno this one seems to be missing a lot of stats i wanna see

[little lion]

I wanna use plas gun but it’s the last gun I unlock lol

[latent parcel]

what stats do u wanna see?

[little lion]

Well technically I can’t see stats

Jk

Uhhhh

Probably big damage numbers

[latent parcel]

plasma for sure when u get it

[little lion]

I like big things

[solar tiger]

bolter and the big laz0r cannon thingy

[vale wraith]

Revolver is good as well

Pocket cannon

Bolt pistol works fine as well

[latent parcel]

or bolt pistol

[solar tiger]

bolter is better tbh

[latent parcel]

theres so many

[little lion]

Yea I been using the revolver that thing is a blaster

[grand perch]

thats how i like mine

[solar tiger]

ok now you lost me

[vale wraith]

They’re both good

[little lion]

Is the recon las gun good?

[latent parcel]

wait why do i need half that stuff on there

[solar tiger]

bolt pistol makes me pee blood after using a regular one

[vale wraith]

Yes

[latent parcel]

ammo picked up?

[vale wraith]

Just seeing how ammo efficient your build is ig

[latent parcel]

yeah ur right

[grand perch]

nothing wrong with minimalism

i just like to see more

[latent parcel]

im just old school i guess

i saw the vermin board and got excited

[little lion]

Well what guns do you guys like using ?

[vale wraith]

If it’s good enough for commissars good enough for me