veteran-class

[pastel yew]

its really annoying

so I have it disabled

[scenic solstice]

oh hel nah

what s this

[pastel yew]

nothing to concern yourself with

its fine

it wont cause any issues dw

[scenic solstice]

alr

[scenic solstice]

whats the good sight

for helbore

[midnight totem]

anybody want to join me for twins hard mode?

we just need one more

[narrow frost]

I can help, but I'm helping someone else with twins first

[midnight totem]

Thats my friend you're talkin' about

I'm there with him lol

[scenic solstice]

uhh chat

whats the sight name for autogun

in the mod

wait nvm

[midnight totem]

@narrow frostthanks for helping Brit!

[crisp oak]

New mastery set aint working for me, cant tell if its the shotgun or the sword

its probably the shotgun I miss her

[terse idol]

The skin that came with the blue krieg set

[scenic solstice]

the vrak?

[terse idol]

Yeag

It has a good sight

If you want to spend the money

[scenic solstice]

im using a mod

i spent money on it alr

i missed when i shouldnt have on a clear headshot

😭

[terse idol]

I gotta see the replay

[slow spade]

sadly you only hit their brain which is a non-critical limb

[scenic solstice]

shovel is not that good..

im regretting my actions..

i got stuck in a corner and couldnt push them far enough 🗿

[hollow ibex]

shovels are just kinda not great rn sadly

[scenic solstice]

time to spam helbore melee

carpal tunnel speedrun

[tall torrent]

It’s even worse against hordes

[scenic solstice]

dawg i got a shovel

[terse idol]

Take a uhhhh

Rashad

What shovel?

At least standard helps stagger

[scenic solstice]

MK 1 currently

[terse idol]

The sapper shovels are decroited at hordes

[narrow frost]

decroited ?

[terse idol]

Imo if you're gonna use the helbore to kill crushers you could justify using a heavy sword

[terse idol]

Its just a word northernlion uses in his streams

I've watched aloootta northernlion

Its made up, meaning bad

[narrow frost]

mk1 shovel is amazing

can kill armor, and mix horde

lights agaisnt armor

[terse idol]

Well lack of killing power

[narrow frost]

heavy for horde

use uncanny

[terse idol]

It staggers more than it kills even with uncanny

[narrow frost]

USE LIGHTS

[terse idol]

For hordes!

[narrow frost]

even for hordes

lights is more dps

heavy for stagger

[vale wraith]

Just light + heavy hordes

It does so much damage lmao

[terse idol]

And I was talking bout the sapper shovel for hordes anywho

There's aloot better options

[elder fiber]

Yeah but those don't have Funny bonk noise

[vale wraith]

And you can’t dig it with other melees

[scenic solstice]

uncanny and what

[vale wraith]

Decimator

[scenic solstice]

for helbore?

after shovel

what for helbore

[vale wraith]

Oh

Mb

I don’t use it, sorry. Thought you were asking about shovel

[little path]

Surgical n chainfire

[scenic solstice]

i dont see anything named chainfire

[little path]

whatever the perk that increases charge speed was

[scenic solstice]

weight of fire?

[little path]

yeah that

slap those on

grab I think like

elite and flak?

or standard flakniac

[crisp oak]

elite flak is a specific thing

on the 3a

to oneshot scab ragers with a headshot

[little path]

Lucius mk1 does fine in auric missionsn

just don't expect good results in higher level havoc missions

[crisp oak]

the annoying to use one has a use in high level havoks

[terse idol]

For the other mk's that isn't the fastest firing helbore

The fast firing helbore takes surgical and armourbane or hotshot meme evidentally

[austere pine]

tfw i literally face discrimination due to my havoc rank

[pastel yew]

sorry you gotta be havoc 40 to ride this buss

[paper trellis]

what in the world are the servers today

so laggy damn near unplayable

[mental rampart]

wait we discriminating none high rank havocs now?

[hardy frigate]

Hey a new vet player here- what is the best way to build power sword and why does it feel so crappy unpowered?

Is there a way to make unpowered good?

[narrow frost]

no

[narrow frost]

Check pinned messages to see the best setup for Psword

[austere pine]

this was a 30! i was a 22

[hardy frigate]

Damn that’s a same- feels like a one trick pony after playing with zealot power sword

[austere pine]

a havoc 23 find

[hollow ibex]

man and i get annoyed when i see fuckers in AM leveling up weapons lmao

[bitter turtle]

Yes

Anyone who isn't at least 41 can join another party

[mental rampart]

Meanwhile own party is set to havoc 5

its destiny all over again

[bitter turtle]

Wrath rampage unpowered only psword build when

[supple laurel]

chat what perks and blessings shall i run on this double barrel

[scarlet thistle]

What if you're the only party?

[supple laurel]

was thinking man stopper and full bore but what yall think

[bitter turtle]

Manstopper + double barrel or run n gun

[scarlet thistle]

I know i'm just unlucky but I've only got two havoc matches because every time I try to join a party I get refused.

[little path]

I'm also stuck in elo hell at 22

[terse idol]

I feel like I'm stuck in havoc rank hell

Cause I didn't realise you get a skip by doing auric damn

[little path]

I get teammates that are well...

[terse idol]

So i gotta find a flipping havoc 2

[little path]

the """"Classic"""" knife zealot

[terse idol]

And nobody is gonna accept a havoc 1

Like fuck sakes

IM GONNA GOOD AT THE GAAAMMEE

[little path]

Some players are so bad that they will give up if I don't play shield psyker

like bro

just.. don't run into the open

worst part was he didn't realise I wasn't shield psyker for half the mission and only gave up after he started asking for shield spam

[scarlet thistle]

Lasgun

Shock maul

Voice of command

Regenerating Grenades

[bitter turtle]

Just do it now

?

[scarlet thistle]

S'all I need.

[bitter turtle]

You can still skip

[terse idol]

Oh

I got my new havoc assignment and it still told me lol havoc 1

And before that

I completed an auric damn

Before interacting with the havoc terminal

Boom havoc 1

[bitter turtle]

You need auric mael

Not auric damn

[terse idol]

Yeah I meant

I did a auric damn mael

I guess I'm trying again

[bitter turtle]

It will update your rank but possibly not your assignment

But if you are 16 it will be easier to find parties at least

Idk my friend did a normal mael and we skipped to 16 after I helped her in an auric mael

Or maybe I'm just crazy

[terse idol]

[broken spade]

pretty sure auric mael should just skip you to 16 immediately

[pastel pumice]

auric mael does

normal mael starts you off at 1

[bitter vessel]

at like level 5 whats the best brain dead leveling build for vets? (ima psyker main)

[sullen jackal]

get gun

shoot gun

stay in back

[bitter vessel]

ill take it ❤️

whats the dump stat for revolvers

[midnight totem]

Mobility

[bitter vessel]

is there a primary for vets that shines more than others? rn using the default shovel

[formal ice]

Knife

Stabby stabby and fast

[midnight totem]

Chainsword, knife, chainaxe, dueling sword, shock maul, power sword

[formal ice]

Thats more than one

[bitter vessel]

i didnt know you couldnt ADS with the pistol lmao

[bitter turtle]

Mk 6 Knife
Ds4
Rashad Combat axe
Power sword
Mk 9 Heavy sword

[formal ice]

Combat axe?

[bitter turtle]

Those are the ones I would say carve out a meaningful niche

Everything else is fine enough but don't do anything particularly special to justify using them either outside of fun reasons imo

[formal ice]

Combat axe????

[bitter turtle]

Yes what about it

[formal ice]

I would choose shovel instead

[bitter turtle]

Thats nice but it doesn't really change rashad axe being a top 3 weapon for ages now

Basically ever since bromentum rework

[formal ice]

RASHAD AXE WAS TOP 3??????

[bitter turtle]

Yes...

[formal ice]

I am living under a rock

[pastel pumice]

shovel my top 3

[bitter turtle]

Probably the most undisputed top 3 tbh

Some people don't like ds4 and knife having dogshit horde clear, others (like me) hate psword shitty dodges

Rashad does everything well

Like a solid 8/10 in every category

[formal ice]

Put bleeding for every non weak spot hit on the knife and it becomes better for hordes

[bitter turtle]

Lacerate is garbage

[formal ice]

The crit version then

[bitter turtle]

Flesh tearer is fine but it does not become good at horde clearing

U can kill literally 4 armored trash mobs in 1 swing with caxe

[bitter vessel]

whats ds4

[bitter turtle]

Dueling sword 4

[dire olive]

Yeah whoever designed lacerate was on something
"Let's make something proc on non-weakpont on a weapon entirely designed around weakpoints"

[bitter turtle]

Lacerate procs on the knife special action

Meta for punch only build

[dire olive]

real

[bitter turtle]

No guns, only FISTS

[formal ice]

Okay, I guess we learn something every day

[radiant chasm]

no it ain't

you jsut go riposte and hit heads

3x damage on weakspot or 4 stacks of red tickle juice

[orchid hemlock]

Not the lacerate discussion again

😔

[formal ice]

HELP ME

[radiant chasm]

it's the holiday season

so you know what that means

[bitter vessel]

whats the main use of the little revolver pistol?

[formal ice]

Nothing?

[orchid hemlock]

Lacerate is one of the worst blessings in the game, ur on ur own

[bitter turtle]

Which one

The zarona or agrinppa

Or whatever it's spelled

[bitter vessel]

i think the 2nd one

[tacit sonnet]

Ah, yes, let me put a blessing that rewards not hitting weakpoints on one of the best weakpoint hitting weapons in the game

[radiant chasm]

All I did was post my fucking build and y’all went for my throat talking down on it like a bunch of toxic trolls you didn’t have to say anything if u don’t have anything nice to say then don’t say anything but naw y’all wanna be animals like every other troll and thru the safety of the internet you run your mouth and then talk smack about me it’s ridiculous and not fair of anyone to treat some one like that and u have the audacity to say I’m going thru somthing nah you and all the other trolls like you need to get over what your going thru and act right

(copypasta)

[bitter turtle]

They are anti elite guns with good armor pen

[radiant chasm]

revolver is for cleaving conga lines

or shooting shit through a horde

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

[formal ice]

Took long enough to get here

[radiant chasm]

zarona has the most cleave and staged reloads and ADS

[tacit sonnet]

slightly too late

[radiant chasm]

agri is better at unyielding killing with it's fan the hammer and speedloader

[formal ice]

Too late infact I changed blessings

[bitter vessel]

is the agrinpaa only good if youre a melee heavy vet then?

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-dragon-ball-z-let-go-rage-anger-gif-17162923

every zealot feeling someone suggesting lacerate in discord

you ruined family gathering smh /j

[radiant chasm]

kinda yea, tho both like weapon specialist

[formal ice]

I ruined the emperor praising gathering

[tacit sonnet]

My very first knife had lacerate and mercy killer, I couldn't get flesh tearer for a very long time. But it had insane stats, so I tried it and it was not good.

Old itemization my beloved

[bitter turtle]

Both are only good as melee heavy vet

[dire olive]

Why talk about knife bleed blessings and not why you are sleeping on the chainaxe the absolute most underrated and based weapon in the game

[radiant chasm]

i am the chaxe main

of this server

[vale wraith]

It even has the BEST bleed blessing in the game :v

[formal ice]

A bandit?

[tacit sonnet]

I didn't like chainaxe

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/tree-falls-his-reaction-axe-wood-cutter-tree-cutter-gif-15795899

[dire olive]

Chainaxe the only chain weapon to actually feel like a chainsaw on a stick

[tacit sonnet]

Chainsword, rashad and catachan are still my favoutire melees

[bitter turtle]

Chainsword suggs

[radiant chasm]

chsword doesn't suck

it just got power crept

13g is still easy mode and mk4 is still peak chaff clear

[vale wraith]

chainsword feels good to use though, too bad its kinda sucky against armour.

[formal ice]

When we are getting chainspear?

[tacit sonnet]

Chainsword was amazing in patch 13

[radiant chasm]

except the game at high levels isn't normal chaff clear

[tacit sonnet]

I even used it on psyker

[bitter turtle]

Idk if it got left behind

[radiant chasm]

you got bruisers and more groups of melee elites

[bitter turtle]

That means it sucks to me

The rev is just so bad

[vale wraith]

Is there anything to do about the rev buff wise? It kinda sucks fundamentally rn lmao

[radiant chasm]

i mean you can dodge out of it at least now

[vale wraith]

Being locked into a long ass animation is just the way you throw runs

[bitter turtle]

Spread the damage evenly out through the rev

[radiant chasm]

you aren't locked in

anymore tho

you can dodge out

[bitter turtle]

Yea you can dodge out and do no damage

[calm shard]

could always make it similar to eviscerator rev where it only sticks to something when out of cleave, and most of the damage boost is frontloaded into the initial hit

[vale wraith]

Well, your camera still goes really fucky

[radiant chasm]

dodge+ block out and you'll be safe

only chaxe makes your camera go fucky but that's just cost of service, gatekeeping players off the weapon

[bitter turtle]

Idk why they backloaded the majority of the rev damage

I guess to make you commit but

[radiant chasm]

they jsut need to give it more flakiac damage

[bitter turtle]

You'd think it would actually deal devastating damage as a reward

[vale wraith]

If the enemy so much as moves past you the camera swings, not as fucky as chaxe but still annoying.

[bitter turtle]

The thing can't even kill a crusher in 2 revs w/o bloodletter

[radiant chasm]

and it will be in a good spot, it doesn't need to be amazing vs carapace when chaxe exists and does that

[bitter turtle]

Also I know it's like a very specific scenario

But i hate how bad it is vs mutant trains

Like 1 mutant you can rev it while it's doing a drive by but if there's 10 coming at you you wish you had almost any other weapon

[radiant chasm]

like the rev is misleading if anything

it's a chaff monster

it's the best raw poxwalker/groaner horde clear in the game available to all human sized classes*

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

I just don't think that really matters a whole lot

[radiant chasm]

crit dmg not falling off with cleave?

god damn

[vale wraith]

I mean, horde clear isn’t really an issue on most builds, only really on executioner stance builds.

[radiant chasm]

flak and maniac damage buffed and a bit more stagger on specific moves and revs

[bitter turtle]

Since the moment bruisers get mixed in it falls behind

[radiant chasm]

would prob fix a lot of the issues feeling wise,

[sullen jackal]

veterean talk about morrow surviving a bunch of genestealers 👀

[tacit sonnet]

I mentioned rashad, chain sword and catachan swords are my favorites, but everyone started only discussing chain sword. Are catachans good? I thought they are even worse than chain swords, lmao

[vale wraith]

Devil claws?

[tacit sonnet]

yes

[bitter turtle]

They are meh but they have their fans

[vale wraith]

One of my FAVOURITE weapons

[bitter turtle]

The flak damage is absolutely atrocious

[vale wraith]

But it’s sucks dick against carapace and unyielding

[bitter turtle]

But muh parry

[junior hawk]

guys which perks do i want on ds4 in havoc?

[bitter turtle]

Uncanny + something

Riposte, precog, or imo agile

[vale wraith]

Brutal momentum just gives it the most satisfying horde clear in the game

[bitter turtle]

But I've had people argue against me saying agile is a crutch so

[junior hawk]

and carapace+maniac/elite/unyielding?

[radiant chasm]

dclaws are just parry bots

they have terrible flak

[bitter turtle]

Yea that's what I have on mine

[radiant chasm]

so they fell off harder than chord

[tacit sonnet]

They have terrible everything

[radiant chasm]

nah their maniac is good

[tacit sonnet]

They deal no damage outside of parries

[radiant chasm]

and unarmored/infested

[bitter turtle]

It's funny

[vale wraith]

I mean, you need a fucking wheelchair to play havoc effectively, so I don’t see the problem with crutch blessings.

[tacit sonnet]

They have good cleave

[bitter turtle]

They are literally the only weapon

[radiant chasm]

buff it's unyielding up and quit trying to make it that weapon that sucks vs flak

it's so weird

can't it just be

[bitter turtle]

That actually would use exploit weakness

[sullen jackal]

1-2 shot weapons with the weapon swap keystone is fun

[radiant chasm]

neutral into flak?

[sullen jackal]

i don't have a reload animation, I have murdering one person in melee

[radiant chasm]

agile isn't a crutch it's just kinda unneeded

[bitter turtle]

I mean crutch in the actual meaning of the term, not as a synonym with overpowered

[radiant chasm]

it's not vt2, dodges are so easy and unpunished in DT unless you are throwing

[tacit sonnet]

Are there any good melee weapons that suck into flak? I feel like having bad flak makes it bad by default

[bitter turtle]

That is, they argue agile only helps bad players

And good players will do worse with it

[radiant chasm]

dclaw is more of a zealot weapon anyways

[bitter turtle]

Vs another dmg blessing

I don't agree but

[radiant chasm]

since you can fotf parry to kill crushers and such in one hit

agile doesn't even help bad players cause you'd have to know the dodge mechanics and how you are abusing them

but it's like, taxe has like 5 dodges, and is effective into -2/5

like just block for half a second and they all come back at once

[bitter turtle]

The way i see it, uncanny alr let's you 2tap crushers

[vale wraith]

Making dodge management infinitely easier for good players is something they won’t do good with? Seems like a dumb argument but okay

[bitter turtle]

So idk

[radiant chasm]

also taxe is choked into taking power blessings and shred (and BM on some of the marks)

[bitter turtle]

From 0 stacks

I wouldn't run it on taxe

Just cause taxe actually needs stuff to like

Do things

[radiant chasm]

i mean it's even worse competition on dueling sword

thrust, precog, riposte, uncanny?

that's a line up

[bitter turtle]

I think thrust is a meme

Personally

[vale wraith]

Thrust is only good for boss damage I think

[radiant chasm]

whole point of thrust is trading raw dps for assured breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

It's literally the same speed to h1 special h1 and kill the crusher anyway

And you lose so much damage on a non weakpoint hit that I don't think thrust will cover that either

[sullen jackal]

First stack of thrust is almost free, in that it seems that you need to wait until a frame after the heavy charging time to release it.

[bitter turtle]

Sure

[radiant chasm]

tbh if you miss weakspot with mk4 duelist you need to get your eyes checked

[bitter turtle]

But you don't need it either way

Like unless you fully charge

You are killing in 2 hits

Maybe precog can do it too

But I'm not gonna bother with precog

[sullen jackal]

also possibly good on non mk4 for horde

[bitter turtle]

So the way i see it is

If uncanny alr let's me 2 tap

Why take more damage if it doesn't upgrade to 1 tap

Outside of thrust fully charging

[radiant chasm]

true more of a zealot thing

with precog+ duelist on top of thrust

so you just 3 shot bosses

[bitter turtle]

Therefore I'll just take infinite dodges

[sullen jackal]

wait what do you mean outside, that's like... you can fully charge thrust significantly faster than another heavy. always

[bitter turtle]

And yea for zealot i get it's different

[bitter turtle]

I don't think so but i have not timed it

[radiant chasm]

nah thrust is a dps drop in terms of multiple stabs

[bitter turtle]

I remember for shmaul people agreed it was a dps loss because 2 heavies is faster than a single fully charged heavy

[sullen jackal]

thrust charges significantly faster than most people think it does

[radiant chasm]

you are just getting it for the ease of use and burst damage/breakpoints

dueling heavy-special-heavy is fast asf

[bitter turtle]

I don't guesstimate how fast it charges

[sullen jackal]

you don't need to fully charge it, you need to wait like 0.4 seconds longer

[bitter turtle]

It's literally an icon on bar

Well you do you, idk, h1 special h1 is faster from what I can tell

Thrust helps on the 1st enemy you attack but i don't see why i would charge it after the first over just h1 special h1

[terse idol]

You would need to test the BP's

We had this discussion abit yesterday

[radiant chasm]

because 2 heavies 2 kills is smoother for a lot of people vs 6 attacks 2 kills

[terse idol]

Speed vs Thrust
Vs H1 Special

[radiant chasm]

also it's burst window

more so matters on zealot

[sullen jackal]

they tbf may have improved it at some point because i see some people talking before about having to do a 'fully charged heavy' which technically doesn't exist, there is no time limit on how long you can charge a heavy other than the 1.5 second time limit on how long the attack action can last

[bitter turtle]

Thats fair but the former doesn't stagger the target

[radiant chasm]

doesn't need to

it kills

[sullen jackal]

and now i try to remember what the fuck the mk4 sword is called in code

[bitter turtle]

Yea but the damage is all backloaded in that window of time

H1 special h1 will stagger in the middle

[radiant chasm]

not ,like duelist needs the stagger

it's dodges are ridic

[bitter turtle]

You never know

[vale wraith]

How much worse is the Antax compared to the Rashad? Are they interchangeable or is Rashad just better.

[bitter turtle]

Rashad is just better

[radiant chasm]

antax is still useable but yea rashad is better

[bitter turtle]

Like I agree most of the time the stagger doesn't matter

[radiant chasm]

finesse>cleave targets

antax does have a better PA

[bitter turtle]

But there will be situations it would have helped you or a teammate or w/e

[radiant chasm]

despite antax PA being a slash, it has the same stagger but way more damage/cleave than rashads smack

[dire olive]

I absolutely despise how slow the antax attacks

[radiant chasm]

tbf

[vale wraith]

Think I might stick with Antax anyway, heavy attacks feel like shit on Rashad for some reason.

[radiant chasm]

it's only a rashad with 50% finesse worth of attack speed iirc

[bitter turtle]

Aren't their heavy moveset the same

[radiant chasm]

same as rashad being 50% mod score of cleave targets from the antax

[sullen jackal]

ok so p1 is the devil's claw

[bitter turtle]

Or am I misremembering

[radiant chasm]

it's weird

[sullen jackal]

local block_goes_brrr = action_setting and action_setting.block_goes_brrr or action_setting and action_setting.parry_block

did you know parry go brrr

[vale wraith]

I honestly don’t know, but Rashad feels way different than Antax, might just be me hard coping for Antax though.

[sullen jackal]

yes this is a real line of code in the game

[tough tiger]

Block indeed does go brrrrrr

[vale wraith]

Beautiful

[radiant chasm]

aahahah

holy shit

fatshark code

idk whether to laugh or cry

[sullen jackal]

by the way, ogryn slabshield is the only weapon where block go brrr

(this afaik mostly means that you can block unblockable weapons with slab special and parry)

[scenic solstice]

chainsword

is peak

[terse idol]

Peak garbage

Lmao

[tough tiger]

Peak of mid

[scenic solstice]

also space marines 2 in asia is dead as fuck 😭

[vale wraith]

Shovel is better

[scenic solstice]

nuh uh

guardsman>

[terse idol]

The rev struggles at its job to kill

Crushers

[bitter vessel]

We talked about melee weapons now how about the guns? Which gun(s) stand out above the rest especially for leveling to 30?

[tough tiger]

Get a real chain weapon like a chaxe

[scenic solstice]

gross

[bitter turtle]

Honestly just play whatever you want

[scenic solstice]

im loyal to my chainsword and my chainsword is loyal to me

[bitter turtle]

Everything is viable u til havoc anyway

[scenic solstice]

[bitter turtle]

And like specifically 35+ havoc only

[bitter vessel]

I want to play the speed loader pistol but I am so ass with it

[bitter turtle]

Tip

Stand still when you shoot

[bitter vessel]

Oh

[bitter turtle]

The accuracy when moving and shooting is goddamn terrible

[sullen jackal]

also you get better autoaim when aiming

[bitter vessel]

For just that gun or in general

[bitter turtle]

It's fairly accurate when not moving though

[vale wraith]

Boltgun, Revolver, Vraks autogun and bolt pistol work on pretty much every build. But there’s not really a bad gun for Vet

[bitter turtle]

For that gun

In particular

And that mark in particular

[bitter vessel]

Thank you

[sullen jackal]

shredder autopistol /j

[bitter turtle]

The other revolver is accurate on the move

[junior hawk]

bolt pistol for funny explosion radius

[vale wraith]

I genuinely forgot about that gun

[sullen jackal]

lmao

[dire olive]

So did fatshark

[sullen jackal]

it's not actually that bad. IF

you use it in a single situation

(which is, you use a full clip or two every time you pull it out before pocketing it again)

[bitter turtle]

To steal all the ammo

[tough tiger]

Shredder only works on zealot

[sullen jackal]

(without breaks)

[bitter turtle]

From your team?

[vale wraith]

Trust me bro, Shredder pistol volley fire is havoc viable.

[bitter turtle]

Inspiring barrage shredder pistol vs havoc gunners

[sullen jackal]

well yeah, zealot and sometimes melee psyker are like... the two times it might make sense. veteran likes their ranged attacks so much

psyker assail is just better antiflak tho so

[dire olive]

Shredder is a stun gun

[vale wraith]

Just use a kill gun

[dire olive]

It staggers things so you can stab them

[bitter turtle]

No, shock maul is the stun gun

[dire olive]

And that's it

Not a gun

[sullen jackal]

it has incredibly good blessings... but only if you magdump.

[vale wraith]

Yeah, correction, there is ONE bad gun for vet.

[bitter turtle]

It's a gun if you imagine really hard

It's shooting electricity

[vale wraith]

I’d rather shoot bbs through a straw and hope the emperor himself blesses it.

[sullen jackal]

Blaze away is, on average, 30% strength for an entire mag. 20% if you only use half the mag.

[dire olive]

I want shredder to be good because it was so fun

[bitter turtle]

They should unnerf pinning

But only for shredder

[sullen jackal]

Pinning fire is still +25% strength. Just. There.

[pastel pumice]

Server disconnects me mid havoc 40

its a modifier at this point

🥴

[dire olive]

Really the base gun just needs a buff the blessings are fine

[bitter turtle]

Yeah that's always been the case

[pastel pumice]

"When your team needs you the most, overweight tuna disconnects you"

[bitter turtle]

It was only good when it had the fucking +100% damage blessing

[sullen jackal]

The main benefits of the base gun are, effectively, better swap speed and movement speed while shooting.

[bitter turtle]

I would unironically use it as it is more

If it had

Run n gun built in

Hipfire in sprint

[vale wraith]

That would be peak tbh

[bitter turtle]

Sounds fun as heck

[sullen jackal]

tbh yeah that would actually differentiate it from an autogun that is only like 20% slower maybe at best while shooting :x

[bitter turtle]

Yea

[dire olive]

The laspistol ticking all those boxes and also not being shit

[bitter turtle]

I think it fails to differentiate itself from brauto as it is

[sullen jackal]

"but you can sprint 0.2s faster after shooting with an autogun" ok what about being able to sprint while using the gun

[bitter vessel]

I do hate the lasguns but that’s just me

[vale wraith]

I Recently realised that the laspistol is good lol. Always wrote it off as a dog shit gun for some reason.

[bitter turtle]

Having it be hipfire while sprinting is a legit niche that the brauto would wish it could do

[sullen jackal]

you will fucking love the shit out of lasgun after playing melee only for a bit

[dire olive]

I mean it sucks if you don't click heads

[bitter vessel]

Oh! Why?

[bitter turtle]

Slap strapped down on it too, why not

[sullen jackal]

the heavy laspistol at least

because it's a mobility stick :v

[dire olive]

Maybe you were bodyshotting before

[bitter turtle]

Strapped down + blaze away with built in run n gun autopistol

[sullen jackal]

you don't have to like it, just hold it while sprinting, lol

[bitter turtle]

Even if u do shit damage you are invincible

[vale wraith]

The only buff I want for las gun is a less shit sfx.

[bitter turtle]

Not like that's any more overpowered than ghost laspistol

[tough tiger]

Shredder should be able to stagger crushers

[sullen jackal]

fun fact as far as i can tell all sorts of avoiding damage(that isn't block) counts as a successful dodge. incliding dodging ranged fire while sprinting, sliding, and ghost

[bitter turtle]

Dodging ranged fire is weird for some talents like recip

It only counts if you dodge trash mobs and only on the startup of their barrage

[sullen jackal]

hmm

which talent is that i can try and see

oh

[bitter turtle]

Elite gunners do not count for recip

[sullen jackal]

okay yeah so one of the things that count as a 'dodge' afaik is basically the attack missing you while you are in a dodging animation or briefly after dodging?

which is only checked at the start

lessee, it's probably a veteran buff

[paper trellis]

anyone willing to share a good grenadier build? I just can't seem to get my grenade build to feel as good as my ft and ws builds

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

I tested it ages ago but maybe things changed idk

[sullen jackal]

...that works tho

[bitter turtle]

You can see it doesn't stack up to max instantly since it only counts for recip when you dodge the barrage startup

Yes it works

But only if you dodge on the startup of their barrage like I said

If you dodge later on it won't do anything

Cause they shoot in salvos right?

[tough tiger]

Ye

[bitter turtle]

It only stacks if you dodge right at the beginning of a salvo

Also it does not work on elite gunners period

Which is different from duck and dive btw

Which does work on elite gunners iirc

[bitter turtle]

Want my h40 build

It has no keystone tho

[paper trellis]

i think that's pretty similar to my stealth build, definitely enjoy that one. might be just that going full in on grenades is more of a gimmick

[sullen jackal]

the fuck is skirmisher code

and how often are buffs even checked

[bitter turtle]

I'm as close to full grenades as you can get

Only nade talent i don't take is tinkerer

But you can if someone alr took surv

Just path through fire team instead

[bitter turtle]

So i actually use that garbage for one build lmao

From what I can tell

[sullen jackal]

oh

ok so it's once per second roughly

[bitter turtle]

It checks if you've sprinted continuously for a few seconds and stacks once if you did

[paper trellis]

i think trying to fit in tinkerer and the bolt pistol is my problem

[bitter turtle]

Yeah idk the exact duration but yeah

[tall torrent]

Counts vs shotgunners & trappers

[bitter turtle]

Oh I see

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t count vs gunners, reapers and snipers

[bitter turtle]

I didn't test against the

M

[paper trellis]

because my stealth build has everything else and feels great

[sullen jackal]

well afaik t is counted in seconds, and 1 dt means 1 second has elapsed since last tick(this is bad but)

[bitter turtle]

Surprised it doesn't work vs snipers though

[tall torrent]

It’s not difficult

[sullen jackal]

so when you start sprinting, the template_data has 'sprinting' set to true

and sets "next_buff_t" to the current time, plus 1

[little lion]

What’s the best recon las gun mark?

[sullen jackal]

when t is greater than or equal to "next_buff_t", it increments/refreshes the buff, and then adds 1 to next_buff_t

(this means that no you can't stutter step to get stacks)

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol
Unarmored + maniac
Lethal prox
Puncture

I run axe for melee

Can swap marksman for CQKZ

[sullen jackal]

so sprinting for 5 seconds gives you the full buff, then you need to sprint for exactly 1 second every 8 seconds to keep it

[tall torrent]

Yes and it’s horrible lol

[bitter turtle]

I use 6 in havoc

14 in auric

[tall torrent]

One of the worst talents in the game

[little lion]

What r the best blessings/perks for it?

[bitter turtle]

Dumdum infernus

[paper trellis]

that's pretty close to what i'm running now, doesn't feel as good as my other builds. honestly might just be an issue of preference

[tall torrent]

Flak + 5% crit chance / maniac
Dum dum
Infernus

[sullen jackal]

i mean it's 25% damage

because of course

[bitter turtle]

It's good on run n gun bistol with knife

[sullen jackal]

veterean needs more damage amirite

[bitter turtle]

[tall torrent]

Marksman is active more often and hits more breakpoints

[sullen jackal]

they don't have nearly enough damage

[tall torrent]

[little lion]

Does the crit chance come with flak?

[narrow frost]

no twinned blast, smh. No gambling

[tall torrent]

First perk = flak
Second perk = crit chance / maniac

[little lion]

Ohhh

ok

[sullen jackal]

also wtf even is the third combat blade

....heavy sword I guess?

[little lion]

Thanks

[tall torrent]

You could swap marksman for twinned if u want tbh
Marksman is just too good to pass if already going superiority complex imo

[sullen jackal]

ok combatsword_p2 for dueling swords

also lol it is not faster to stack thrust instead of a second heavy

[bitter turtle]

Isn't that what I was saying

[sullen jackal]

er

opposite

damage start on mk4 even for a 3 stack thrust heavy is 1.201s

[little lion]

Best melee weapon on vet in yalls opinion?

[bitter turtle]

I'm pretty sure the ttk for 2 heavies is under 1 second

[tall torrent]

I think more guns should get faster sprint to fire

[bitter turtle]

If knife does it in under 1 second

There's no way ds4 doesnt

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515648206512168/1313942048897896480/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2024.12.04_-_13.55.54.81.png?ex=676c5564&is=676b03e4&hm=a16e526ea17f9d7ab8d9a3fe235cee260968fb5b089bca27798357b5fc937abb&

[sullen jackal]

h1 start: 0.6s
h1 attack until next start(affected by attack speed) uh ooops maybe wrong mark sec

shouldn't be smiter_up

left down

[vale wraith]

61 mobility 80 everything else. Nice lol

[bitter turtle]

Also you're not considering the human element of not being able to perfectly release the charge on the exact frame you hit 3 stacks every time

Is much easier to do h1 special h1 in that regard as well

[vale wraith]

Duelling Sword MK4, pretty boring but its the most consistent imo

[sullen jackal]

this is true, although i suppose you could bind a macro to hold lmb for exactly 1.1s

[bitter turtle]

you might as well just not play the game then

And either way

Even if it is marginally faster under ideal conditions

I don't think that is worth a blessing slot

[sullen jackal]

it's not just 'marginally faster', it's like half a heavy lol

[bitter turtle]

[sullen jackal]

0.6s to charge up a heavy(NOT AFFECTED by attack speed!), 0.5s extra only to charge up thrust.

[bitter turtle]

I'm not home to test it myself

I'm alr using the scrub sword anyway

Might as well commit and use the scrub blessing too

[sullen jackal]

oh

dueling sword is actually p3, heavy sword is p2

fatshark why so confusing

why do people like the mkiv anyway

[bitter turtle]

Big damage and needs no melee talents on tree

Unlike knife

[sullen jackal]

which one does knife need

[hollow ibex]

lol it's stupid how strong the DS without anything

[sullen jackal]

(guessing serrated blade)

[bitter turtle]

Desperado and recip if crit knives

[sullen jackal]

to be fair, psyker until recently literally had no melee talents

[bitter turtle]

Serrated if mercy killer

[hollow ibex]

basically all the stuff on the bottom right, and potentially serrated blade and precision strikes

oops wrong reply

[sullen jackal]

well, you're playing veteran

i'm assuming you're taking precision strikes

[hollow ibex]

it was busted even on psykeri n the past, but people gave it a pass

now it's on all the human characters

[sullen jackal]

i mean psyker has always been busted, they just have a very high skill floor :v

[hollow ibex]

good chance yes, but iti's still very talent hungry

[hollow ibex]

they're the autoaim class

[sullen jackal]

but like ok

[hollow ibex]

they were harder before, now they're braindead easy

[sullen jackal]

the mk 2 has the same heavy stab, special, heavy stab combo

why not use it instead of mk4

[pastel pumice]

me waiting for more ds4, CA and shovel skins

[hollow ibex]

can it chain stabbing heavies for single target and just spam lights for horde clear? 🤔

i never tried mk2 tbh

because mk4 just kinda does everything

[sullen jackal]

if you special cancel, yes

h2 is a linesman diagonal heavy which is useful for elites like ragers

[hollow ibex]

well then that's why

mk4 can just keep chaining heavy stabs without any extra work

[sullen jackal]

then there's the mk5, the screaming kid in the back of the car

[hollow ibex]

it has that stupid dodge right lol

[sullen jackal]

stupid dodge?

oh, yeah

it has the defense stat instead of cleave damage

[hollow ibex]

it has the same stats no? 🤔

i thought all marks share the same stats

[sullen jackal]

nope.

nope.

[hollow ibex]

dafuq

i just know mkv has a stupid dodge distance

[sullen jackal]

yeah both mobility AND defenses apply.

but it almost certainly has the worst moveset with worse heavies

is just, well. the stat stick of the group. :p

oh god it has more dodges too

might actually have the fastest heavies by a mile tho hmm

well, the right heavy swing does, the left one is kinda slow

[queen fox]

Mk5 also has a special->strikedown loop thr rest don't have, easy stunlock chain on ragers

[sullen jackal]

ooo

also 0s cancel of attacks into block which is VERY funny

(you can cancel your damage if you're nott careful)

[queen fox]

Mk2 and 4 have special assassin loops and all have special heavy strikedown, mk5 special light loop makes ragers, especially single ones, ez

[sullen jackal]

well, h2 can't be canceled early i think but

no i'm not trtying to quell cancel a dueling sword for 10 attacks a second shush

"weird psyker can't pushattack as fast on dueling swo- wait"

right, veteran can't cheese the pushfollow attacks >.>

(without heavy investment)

ok the thrust on mk 2 is kinda fun ngl

l1, h2 thrust charge, l1, repeat

[tall torrent]

all duelling swords chain H1 after special

unless u mean light atk chain

[sullen jackal]

not a strike down light attack however

[queen fox]

Light attack

I think it's l3?

[tall torrent]

L3 is overhead yea

[queen fox]

On mk5 at least

[frank ether]

they're not all strikedowns

[queen fox]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

but mk5 moveset is so wack it's not worth

[frank ether]

but honestly who cares anyway

its DS, its busted

[queen fox]

I love mk5 because it's whack

[tall torrent]

all 3 duelling swords' H1 are strikedown profile

[sullen jackal]

you can completely ignore the strikedown in the chain by block cancelling

which is unusually strong on sword

[queen fox]

I remember someone here saying mk5 has an innately stronger block because it has a defenses stat, despite it not being listed

Is it still true?

I read this a while ago

[tall torrent]

too much effort for a cringe weapon family

[sullen jackal]

ur cringe :c

[tall torrent]

not as much as duelling swords

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[sullen jackal]

breed_anim_state

[unreal nova]

To be fair, a Psyker in melee gets people going ??? already in most cases.

[pastel yew]

merry krimis vet nerds

[midnight totem]

whats the horde clear with the mk3 knife like

[pastel yew]

unless you live in... cringe timezone

[pastel yew]

awful

but its fun

I like it's moveset a lot

[midnight totem]

perfect

may be testing the mk3 in high havoc later

[pastel yew]

like it's enough that you can not get completely bogged down stuck, but you're gonna be mostly relying on it's movement to avoid that fate

if you get backed against a wall with a load of poxxies you're gonna have crippling depression

[midnight totem]

well, thats what frag grenades and psykers are for

[acoustic mortar]

Chainaxe too for the matter

[pastel yew]

yeah the chainaxe doesn't feel quite as bad though

but its still rough

[pastel yew]

mhm exactly, it's just something to keep in mind

[pastel yew]

though the chainaxe is also super slow so you cant really get out of sitations as much

[tough tiger]

U can have +strength blessings on chaxe for more cleave at least

[pastel yew]

helps yeah but

no thrust is no bueno...

thrust is too fun

lets you one shot crushers raw

even if it's slow as hell....

[acoustic mortar]

I have been trying to remember for a minute, do you guys know which of the Kantrael lasguns is the ‘better’ of them all?

Or are the Kantrael not worth it anymore

[midnight totem]

the middle or the mk4

.. I have three stealth vet builds on my main vet

I should really cut down

[acoustic mortar]

I’ve been on my revolver grindset for too long I forgot

[midnight totem]

on them

[acoustic mortar]

No such thing as too much of a build you like

[midnight totem]

got my original power sword revolver build

got a smoke grenade build with dueling sword and bolter with puncture

[acoustic mortar]

Either of the Chain weapons are my favored melee with revolver or plasma

I’m not fond of the dueling sword but i might be inclined to level it shortly

[midnight totem]

this bolter also has shattering impact

I don't know why

[pastel yew]

the 2b or whatever its called

way higher fire rate for very little damage sacrifice

I do think they're all mostly good though

just kinda average

I wouldnt run a chainaxe with it though

chainaxe really does desperately need weapon spec to not be awful

[pastel yew]

it's a nice blessing for it to have

means the zealot has like... actual ranged armor fighting

given its basically just that and the revolver

[acoustic mortar]

I’ve had zero issue running it without wep spec, however I’m not pushing high havocs or anything

[midnight totem]

its been fun on the occassion I ran it

used to run surgical/pinning

but after bolter buffs were expanded + havoc

shattering + puncture seems more consistent

my only issue with stealth vet is that, well

people like golden toughness too much

shout is just too useful over stealth in high havoc

[acoustic mortar]

Well it’s generating breathing room for the team versus a solo repositioning tool with suppression

With the addition of gold toughness while building space

[midnight totem]

yes

... so if you're reading this Fatshark, buff Vet

❤️

[acoustic mortar]

More gold toughness

[pastel yew]

I think the issue without weapon spec or at least trench fighter is that your horde clear is even worse again

at least with weapon spec the extra attack speed lets you clear faster

[acoustic mortar]

Well I just always run trench fighter

[pastel yew]

mhm

[acoustic mortar]

That might be it

[pastel yew]

so you're not that far behind

110 instead of 125

[pastel yew]

not sure I'd run it on vet tbh, I'd probably go surgical pinning also unless I was running exec stance

I usually just take shattering on zealot as the boltgun is an anti armor tool, throwing knives main ranged weapon

god I wish vet had throwing knives

[midnight totem]

it would be nicer if grenade regen was a higher up node, tbh

[pastel yew]

put it right fuckin here

I beg

above the grenades

everyone wants to take this talent anyway

its practically a must have in almost every vet build

[midnight totem]

Right?

[pastel yew]

it wouldnt stop VoC being giga, but at least you have more pathing options if you choose to do something else

[midnight totem]

Then you can further specialize to be a even better grenadier through the middle later

[pastel yew]

exactly

but it'll never happen ;-;

[midnight totem]

I still miss my Vanguard sprint node

[acoustic mortar]

Well you can’t fix VoC being insane without making gold toughness less of a necessity

[bitter turtle]

Voc isn't a necessity

[midnight totem]

Also, I'd give an additional effect to smoke grenades when tinkered with

[pastel yew]

voc isnt but demo stockpile is

[midnight totem]

Make it highlight enemies passign through it

[pastel yew]

the vast majority of the time at least

it just sucks that the node everyone wants

runs into the strongest least interesting ability the vet has

at least if it was up at the top

voc isnt exactly getting stronger from that change

but the other two abilities get some more fun room for build stuff

[pastel yew]

would be nice quality of life

I do think the tinker effect for smokes is aight though

double time is quite a big boost its just a shame that it's so out of the way to grab if you go smokes

[midnight totem]

It'd be great quality of life, not only can teammates stop complaining about being bad and not being able to see through it

... who am I kidding they will still complain

But! It would make sense for vet

[pastel yew]

hi

thats me

I cant see through them

you gotta stand in em ;-;

[midnight totem]

Use the Force

Whoops, wrong franchise

[pastel yew]

use spam tag

[midnight totem]

That's Star Trek

It's alright. I don't hold it against you.

They are harder to use well though. That's for sure

[tall torrent]

Whoever told me to get a laptop cooler, this thing is glorious

I should have done it sooner

[midnight totem]

Oh?

What model did you get?

[tall torrent]

KLIM Everest

Before
Lowest graphics at 1080p, around 73~77 Celsius

After (2nd lowest setting in cooler)
Medium graphics at 1080p, around 70 Celsius

[midnight totem]

Nice

[wooden stirrup]

Hey what does a meta devil's claw look like?

[midnight totem]

Flak, manic, rampage. Wrath

Dump stat mobility I assume

[wooden stirrup]

Mark VII and I are the best?

[queen fox]

Also don't forget to clean dust from your laptop cooling fins

It can easily get bad enough to block airflow

[hollow ibex]

mk iv or mk vii, your choice

i run rampage and shred iirc

[sullen jackal]

does deathspitter apply to your melee weapon on weaponswap

aw goes away

[tall torrent]

no

[sullen jackal]

watched a team stay in the same room for 15 minutes while I was dead because i dared try to push ahead half a room to progress

please send help

oh god they alost had a chance to move forward but tthere's another horde coming(after they already fell back half a room again because someone died :c)

[tall torrent]

I clean every 2 months

[sullen jackal]

ok

double shotty with dueling sword is a fun playstyle

[little path]

What's the meta plasma gun now?

[sullen jackal]

isn't it thermal 69 charge rate 71

i just remember it because it's nice and cool

[little path]

blessings and perks

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + flak
Gets hot + rising heat

[copper loom]

Any non-shout builds for Havoc people have really liked?

[radiant chasm]

Not really

Shout is universal

[little path]

Unarmored?

[austere mica]

Breakpoints

[little path]

on?

[austere mica]

Specifically dreg gunners

[little path]

ah

What's the breakpoint

[austere mica]

1shs

[little path]

headshot 1 shot?

death to gunners

What's the best recon mk

[tall torrent]

Dreg gunner 1HS
Dreg Tox bomber 1 bodyshot

[sullen jackal]

hmm

[calm shard]

is haymaker any good on mark 6 knife

[hollow ibex]

funny for the memes

wouldn't say it's good

[wanton dawn]

Haymaker meta for one shooting scab captain in havoc 40

[pastel pumice]

@tall torrent

Non-havoc Bpistol blessings/perks?

[elder fiber]

I miss when you could haymaker bulwarks thru shield

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + maniac
Lethal prox
Puncture

[pastel pumice]

Damn

Had lethal prox

Everything else was off

Thank you thank you

[tall torrent]

It’s just the standard Boltpistol build

[normal sparrow]

Ua for gunner bp?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[pastel pumice]

i'll make it work @tall torrent

[tall torrent]

If u don’t play frags with Boltpistol for some reason I’d go puncture + run&gun

Or better yet, a revolver lol

[light ridge]

Puncture+Surgical
Puncture+Lethal Proximity

[pastel pumice]

I always play frag

[light ridge]

Puncture seems to be a must have
I used Lethal Proximity when I want to rely more on my frag grenades and I used Surgical when I want to snipe gunners and reapers

[verbal burrow]

Merry Christmas!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72e0eiyYyjU

[normal sparrow]

Tips on clutching bonbon in no ammo maelstorm?
https://youtu.be/KxMJPopysLc?si=XT21BcqyHRJLSGXv
Sound recording is fucked, but in this situation would it be better to rush into finale

[pastel pumice]

Merry Christmas

[light ridge]

Preserve ammo for BoN? Bolt pistol is pretty ammo efficient actually, combine with Survivalist you shouldn't really have ammo problems in those
I mostly still have survival problems...

Merry christmas

[unreal nova]

Doing a 20 havoc on last try. Vent Purge sniper gauntlet. Looking for some help pretty much.

Also mobian 21st but eh.

[normal sparrow]

Its civi, literally 0 ammo drop
Shot him like 1/2 of my ammo, guy still alive

[light ridge]

Hitting the weakspot and throwing nades at it?

My nades do a lot of work for me, Surgical for guaranteed crits

Even if it uses up half your ammo you should be fine afterwards with the number of procs on Survivalist and I have endless frags on those maps

[normal sparrow]

Cant aim weakspot solo, most if my nades go to crusher+bulwark crowd
Admittedly krakking the bonbon more is good, but crusher crowd is higher priority bc i have both demo team + stockpile

[golden brook]

I’m just starting to play veteran does anyone aye a good build they could recommend

It can be meta and just something to help with everything

[warm bolt]

I've been running with recon since i started and until i got into plasma/bolt, seems to work fine

As for builds i've used this https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader one for the longest

Just swapped the weapons

Oh and curios - i got +1 wound instead of extra toughness

Replaced one of them, but now i've moved from it cause extra toughness feels better even if you have to get used to it

[light ridge]

I've been having a lot of fun with the below builds, YMMV
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dbde2b4-3830-421e-9aee-cb4ddaf0a115/veteran-grenadier-5

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dc6a8fe-ddd0-4cb5-ae4e-f9c8a383fb92/veteran-arbitrator

Melee Weapon can be swapped for preference but Bolt Pistol makes the Frag shine

[calm shard]

It works on the havoc captains? Really?

[wanton dawn]

Well, it works on bosses map. Or used too last time I had a crazy zealot dude in my bosses map

Would have to check code to confirm flags

Am too lazy for that

I dont play knife anyway

[placid portal]

wait haymaker procs on scab captains?

Ogryn Club Haymaker Meta

[wanton dawn]

Unless it was changed in a patch, yes. I saw a few OS with knife. But does not proc on shield

[placid portal]

Still means 20% insta kill everytime you break shields

[wanton dawn]

Alright, found the line so atm they should be excluded https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/64dd68fdbbc28112761eaa2153040efe32204ad3/scripts/settings/buff/weapon_traits_buff_templates/base_weapon_trait_buff_templates.lua#L341

Now i guess i need to check previous version

[remote sonnet]

After playing mostly Zealot and Psyker in pub Havoc with little success. I jump back to Vet, I feel and play much better.

[wanton dawn]

Found it indeed

So cultist captain used to be instakillable till a few month ago

And I guess I learned a bit how to use git blame

I could dive deep more but imo they had naming issue with the captain tag since the twins introduction, having to ensure they did not get instagibbed. Then for havoc they did not want us to instagib roaming captain anymore.

[unreal nova]

Yes, I also suck at vet. Heh.

[latent parcel]

Why are we posting pictures of easy maelstroms

[crude fiber]

We gatekeep scoreboards here

[wanton dawn]

1m scoreboard or go bust

Make sure to crop the timer

[vernal trench]

Scoreboard

[loud belfry]

800k at least. psykers gotta be at least >1.1 mil i think

[unreal nova]

Was more some of us was curious how the run went. Considering I'm a heresy players in auric.

And basically panicking the whole run.

Yes, I don't even really play damnation because I feel like I'll drag the team down.

[vernal trench]

Idk it was just a random malestrom

[oblique totem]

Is it time to try auric again?

[vernal trench]

Its good if u wanna chill sometimes

[narrow frost]

vet in the ceiling

[vernal trench]

Lmao

Rat

[oblique totem]

Use this tactical advantage

[unreal nova]

How was that chill?

[vernal trench]

We were chillin

[unreal nova]

60 million chargers.

[vernal trench]

Theyre friendly

[unreal nova]

If you are cornered against a wall maybe. Or you get thrown into the skull room

Completely safe there.

Maybe.

[wanton dawn]

In dt whenever you play below your favored difficulty level you are "chilling"

So he was probably chilling while you were panicking

[unreal nova]

I am a heresy(at best) player in auric maelstrom, what do you mean it's chill?

[wanton dawn]

Well, auric is where i go to chill too

[oblique totem]

Need more dakka

[vernal trench]

Well auroc maelstroms are chill if ur doing havocs all day

[unreal nova]

I guess. AgentChaos carried basically.

[wanton dawn]

It is about player experience too

Yeah, he can carry

[narrow frost]

The shotgun is funny