Veteran has limitations on how much bs he can deal with at the same time
#veteran-class
frank ether
well everything does, its all a game of teammates filling the gaps
shredders are pretty ok
tall torrent
Veteran has no big commanding moves
frank ether
and VoC is just VoC I guess
field improv is unfortunately garbage as everyone expected
you'd think the toughness gen and free nade would be value but uhh.. not really
because no one plays ogryn anyway 
frank ether
and usually you get the toughness penalty so getting hit at all becomes suboptimal
normal sparrow
Instructions unclear 5 ragers eating psyker face
sleek garden
its clandestium gloriana
frank ether
ok
sleek garden
there will be 0 boss dps
tall torrent
Instructions unclear 5 ragers eating psyker face
Psyker shouldn’t even be getting into melee elite fights in havoc tbh
It’s not worth getting into melee fights with ragers without heavy stagger & gold toughness to minimize attrition
sleek garden
we didnt make it off the railing twice
frank ether
lmao they let me know through chat
unreal totem
why is voc screen effect is always on my screen?
midnight totem
He’s really twice the effort for half the impact
Buff veteran
Gimme zealot stamina on veteran, better movement on power sword or end charge strike base that's all I ask
hearty panther
this all started when they got rid of vanguard
think about it
it was the lynchpin holding all the balance together
midnight totem
It was
hearty panther
and didnt stand in the way of a universally awesome node with its useless-ass situational nonsense
normal sparrow
Psyker shouldn’t even be getting into melee elite fights in havoc tbh
If only pubs do this 
orchid hemlock
Nerf psyker to be in line
someone had to say it
midnight totem
One motion should be baked into weapon specialist lol
tall torrent
One Motion is fine as a concept, I like the idea
But it needs to be higher numerical value
hearty panther
i think it can kick rocks and fuck off lmao
id rather they just removed draw time on the slower weapons at that point
i will never be okay with a node that's only impactful on like three fucken guns starting off a talent tree
the same reason longshot can suck a dick
tall torrent
i will never be okay with a node that's only impactful on like three fucken guns...
If it was 80% it’d matter for every weapon that’s not revolver, basically
hearty panther
just move it
queen fox
i hope they give power sword relic blade heat mechanics
formal ice
sleek garden
new havoc
2 flamer zealots with chorus and knives
no bulwarks are killed
3 duelling swords
hearty panther
"dueling swords literally do everything the best"
the purgatus psyker doing all the actual meat:
sleek garden
i just wish people would bring crowd 'control'
purgatus is great and all but
when theres 50 bulwarks rushing i just wish i was using trauma
i cant play a ranged class because i get hounded by bulwark
or ragers
grizzled pebble
Burga only don't deal with crushers but then where are other 3 team members?
tacit sonnet
uncanny
sleek garden
fighting a boss
hearty panther
Burga only don't deal with crushers but then where are other 3 team members?
listening to their dueling swords plink off of the moebian 21st
grizzled pebble
If I play burga the melee guys are not going to touch chaffs much
Dunno how it's even hard to play you just spam your flame and wiggle mouse xd
Everything die only crushers survive
sleek garden
generally people say yeah ill flame them as zealot but they always have to reload
when im fighting a boss on havoc 40 against a mixed horde nobody is using flamers
orchid hemlock
generally people say yeah ill flame them as zealot but they always have to reloa...
DS is enough
sleek garden
not in my matches
tawny badger
generally people say yeah ill flame them as zealot but they always have to reloa...
the enlightened Everlasting Flame user:
sleek garden
psyker blew himself up with shield and flame staff
instantly left
goodbye havoc 40
tawny badger
blowing yourself up at havoc 40 is crazy
crisp oak
What do yall run on the heby sword?
tall torrent
What do yall run on the heby sword?
Deathblow + headtaker
Flak
Maniac
crisp oak
Thks
violet wyvern
is the recon lasgun still bad
radiant chasm
is the recon lasgun still bad
no
Probably the best ease of use automatic in the game
No recoil, high ammo efficiency
crisp oak
Deathblow + headtaker
Flak
Maniac
Oh yeah mk do people use?
swift river
I found it, the legendary two-handed shovel
https://fixupx.com/Lorgarwasright/status/1871016819601064163
tall torrent
Oh yeah mk do people use?
IX
crisp oak
Thanks
ocean otter
L class
pastel pumice
exaggerated swagger of a Helldivers Battalion leader
ocean otter
exaggerated swagger of a Helldivers Battalion leader
That's me 😃
ocean otter
L battalion
No😡
pastel pumice
ocean otter
<:hmm:1087488573915267182>
Do you wanna join
pastel pumice
I'm good, thank you though
midnight totem
Oof
gleaming turtle
Actually curious. After the PG and Recon, what gun do you think is third on the totem pole for the Vet?
tall torrent
Actually curious. After the PG and Recon, what gun do you think is third on the ...
If you’re looking at base game (not havoc), revolver is the best veteran gun
Vraks V infantry autogun is also extremely strong
past oriole
@tall torrent thanks for posting a lot of your builds and advice, ive been using a lot of them on auric & been having a lot of fun and success with them
little path
verbal burrow
<@366562874039992331> thanks for posting a lot of your builds and advice, ive be...
He’s a good lad
lost lake
Hey so I haven't played in ages apparently what happened to the different patterned lasguns? I can only buy Kantrael Mk Vll
I'm looking for the blue faster firing one
unreal nova
Hey so I haven't played in ages apparently what happened to the different patter...
Go to item and look for marks, if you have mastery 10 or so, you usually have all marks to pick from.
grizzled pebble
Accidentally ran it on Havoc 40
I had a vet did 900k damage or so with bolter in my havoc 40 game. He only took all the ammo 
pastel pumice
The streets are tough man
The urge to just shoot into a horde wantonly
But I'm a Vet with discipline...
grizzled pebble
And shoot at the pus skin horde too 
Pretty sure trauma for some reason bypass the range damage reduction?
pastel pumice
That hurts my ammo pouch
Just like looking at this steam sale
It makes my wallet hurt
Hmmm that, I wouldn't know anything about
grizzled pebble
Dot bypass it for sure. I'm pretty sure trauma also does. The right click that is since its explosion
narrow frost
Pretty sure trauma for some reason bypass the range damage reduction?
Trauma isn't ranged damage from what I noticed
grizzled pebble
Surge I know had reduced damage
narrow frost
You know the 5% range damage node?
grizzled pebble
Ye
grizzled pebble
Yeah I think in the code trauma blast is 'explosive'
grizzled pebble
Psyker is built different
narrow frost
So pus skin doesn't change
tall torrent
Pretty sure trauma for some reason bypass the range damage reduction?
Explosion damage
tall torrent
So I would assume it's not a "range" attack
It’s an “explosion” attack
tall torrent
I just realized pus skin is lower DR the higher rank it gets
x50% at h40
x30% at h20
No wonder it felt horrendously bad in lower havocs
narrow frost
I think the idea is good
tall torrent
Needs to only be for body hits
narrow frost
There needs to be a change to it though
tall torrent
I think the health increase to elite & specialist enemies is enough to slow down TTK
Basically nothing 1 taps them
narrow frost
Brain burst 😔
tall torrent
Then pus hardened is just
lol would u like to take 4 plasma headshots to kill a flamer
tall torrent
Plasma is one of veteran’s best guns but takes a ton of ammo
narrow frost
With and without pus hardened modifier
calm shard
Basically nothing 1 taps them
hilarious taking 3 helbore headshots to kill a normal ass dreg gunner
narrow frost
They need to add more modifiers
calm shard
With Focus stacks up I get the LUXURY of only taking 2 full charge headshots to kill basic gunners with pus skin
tall torrent
Plasma is really good at killing 3 enemies
grizzled pebble
Play 3 psykers
tall torrent
Both shotgunners, and trappers
calm shard
at least helbore hits hard enough to 1 shot basic shooters pus skin or not
grizzled pebble
Reject guns become magic man
tall torrent
It’s the only gun that still 1 taps them in havoc pretty sure
narrow frost
That's interesting
calm shard
If only we could test havoc modifiers in the Psykhanium
narrow frost
I wouldn't consider it worthwhile just for that though
tall torrent
AFAIK modders are working on jt
narrow frost
Why give the plasma vet ammo when flamer zealot can just 1 mag entire hordes
tall torrent
Why give the plasma vet ammo when flamer zealot can just 1 mag entire hordes
Cuz inferno psyker sorta does that job better tbh
And plasma has the range advantage vs gunners
narrow frost
Depends on team comp
tall torrent
Plasma is a strong pick but it’s not like, the only pick
That’d be disingenuous
Veteran’s job is to be able to fight everything at the same time basically
narrow frost
Psyker just does everything better
frank basin
who was darci again?
grizzled pebble
May they be blessed in church 
frank basin
which mark?
scenic solstice
Is there a way to stop upgrading the mob?
frank basin
instead full auto mod on last pistol mk 2
scenic solstice
wb plazma gun
frank ledge
Pretty sure cleave targets was the dump.
It's relevant for Havok.
calm shard
I wonder if fatshark will ever fix the game playing the headshot sound but then actually missing or hitting the body instead
calm shard
wish the game would fuck off and just let me headshot things when I shoot them in the head
unreal nova
Is just servers. It happens more the higher your ping is.
pastel yew
moblity?
cleave not mobility
cleave doesnt matter at all on the power sword
the actual number for the cleave difference is some tiny amount
you might as well take mobility
pastel yew
I wonder if fatshark will ever fix the game playing the headshot sound but then ...
tbf outside of the past few days I've only ever had hitreg issues very very rarely
how stable is your own connection?
though the servers have been shitting the bed the past few days
calm shard
I live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere so my ping is probably never lower than like 70
calm shard
Is just servers. It happens more the higher your ping is.
I don't see why the server should be allowed to deny my fucking shots in the first place in a PvE game tbh
Are they worried about people cheating in a PvE game this much?
unreal nova
Are they worried about people ***cheating*** in a PvE game this much?
Well, I had an aimbot vet earlier. Didn't really care though. Someone did leave due to it.
calm shard
well yeah it's easy anti-cheat
unreal nova
You can't tell me a real player can spin around and consistently shoot every single special and elite on the map.
calm shard
it's strictly bad for actual paying customers it's one of the easiest anticheats to circumvent on the entire market
unreal nova
Without wasting shots like npnp.
calm shard
You can't tell me a real player can spin around and consistently shoot every sin...
I mean...I get pretty close when I'm not fucking up
unreal nova
The whole entire maelstrom run.
pastel yew
Are they worried about people ***cheating*** in a PvE game this much?
they're definitely not worried about cheating 
calm shard
yeah I know
If they cared about cheating it wouldn't be easy anti cheat it'd be anything else
It's there to protect their shitty cash shop
pastel yew
also darktide doesnt use easy anti cheat
unreal nova
Or just not bother.
pastel yew
I dont think there is any anti cheat in the game
they used to but no longer
for mod support I think
pastel yew
yeah I mean people cheating are scum but people cheating in a pve game are like... sorta harmless?
just really cringe
calm shard
It didn't even occur to me it's not there anymore
Cheating in someone elses lobbies without telling them is fucking cringe
unreal nova
Like, if it's PvP, sure.
pastel yew
its just far worse in pvp games as it feels there are stakes ig
everyones signed up to try and compete
calm shard
Doesn't matter as much if it's PvE but it's still being an asshole
unreal nova
Yep.
pastel yew
whereas pve is just casual
pastel yew
Doesn't matter as much if it's PvE but it's still being an asshole
its certainly cringe
I've only enountered one straight up aim bot though
unreal nova
But in PvE, it's like, whatever. You won't really see them more than once or twice anyway.
calm shard
Like shit I play MHW online using a moveset mod that undoes the nerfs Lance received in Iceborne and I still tell people about it
calm shard
And that barely qualifies as cheating
pastel yew
or where things are hidden
calm shard
like those mods that reveal objectives
uh...hm
pastel yew
and that doesnt affect my experience so fuck it
unreal nova
Like shit I play MHW online using a moveset mod that undoes the nerfs Lance rece...
100% critter mod, so I can have all the pets.
pastel yew
pastel yew
uh...hm
I mean its light
and like I said
it doesnt affect my experience
the only major issue you encounter semi frewuently are macro psykers
calm shard
macro vets are also insanely fucking annoying
pastel yew
because there's not enough of a delay on the staff quell canceling
pastel yew
macro vets are also insanely fucking annoying
which ones
calm shard
I don't care about psykers that much but if I have to endure the spam ping sound from a target priority vet that has ping set to LMB or scroll wheel or whatever
unreal nova
the only major issue you encounter semi frewuently are macro psykers
That's just macro. I could even set it up on my controller if I wanted.
calm shard
I am going to shoot someone
pastel yew
That's just macro. I could even set it up on my controller if I wanted.
I think the issue is more that its more consistent than any player could be
also quell canceling in general is cringe
pastel yew
I don't care about psykers that much but if I have to endure the spam ping sound...
this is the worst though
it is
so annoying
unreal nova
I think the issue is more that its more consistent than any player could be
I mean, yeah. It's easier to aim and spam it.
unreal nova
I still don't really care since it doesn't hurt my enjoyment.
calm shard
what is quell cancelling exactly
unreal nova
this is the worst though
Unlike THAT.
calm shard
I assume it has something to do with staff psyker
Which I don't...really play that much
unreal nova
Having 2 vets with it...
Pings every dooking where.
Bonus, one doesn't even have the yellow tag.
Just why???
pastel yew
I still don't really care since it doesn't hurt my enjoyment.
idk I think quell cancelling is too strong, to the extent it does harm my enjoyment
though its the same with smite
and any plasmagun vet with good aim
there are some set ups that even in the hands of average players make the game pretty dead
though its all gonna be preference
one of the most boring games I've played recently was just 3 level 1200+ players
no tension no drama
calm shard
there are some set ups that even in the hands of average players make the game p...
(purgatus psyker)
or smite psyker too
pastel yew
(purgatus psyker)
purgatus makin me blind as hell
I would say the trauma staff is worse for it though
unreal nova
there are some set ups that even in the hands of average players make the game p...
I mean, when I pull the ds4 on Zealot, it's either I got dragged into harder content I don't feel comfortable doing, or I just wanna zoneout and no think.
pastel yew
also the trauma staff is infuriating
calm shard
purgatus makin me blind as hell
yeah thank god there's a mod for that
calm shard
I have complained about flamers so much on this discord
They are so not fun to have on the team
Zealots at least have limited ammo so they're not doing it all the fucking time
unreal nova
purgatus makin me blind as hell
But if you mod, you can remove it.
pastel yew
I mean, when I pull the ds4 on Zealot, it's either I got dragged into harder con...
these things are undoubtedly fun
sometimes a chill experience is the one
I still enjoy the plasma gun on occasion
its literally click the circles the game
strolling about
relaxing
unreal nova
about to hit a headshot... NOPE.. knocked over..
I know, the number of revolver shots into the wall because trauma.
pastel yew
I know, the number of revolver shots into the wall because trauma.
right?
god I
hate it
it might be the least fun thing in the entire game its such a pet peeve
unreal nova
these things are undoubtedly fun
It really depends on how you wanna play at the moment.
pastel yew
its the same with ogryn weapons
that have giga suppression
or knock the enemy about
though those are admittedly less frustrating
I'll play with that but most trauma staff games are an instant quit from me
unreal nova
I mean, it's usually not flinging from afar.
Suppression is mostly cowering. And if the Oggy is in melee smacking things around, what can I say.
pastel yew
Suppression is mostly cowering. And if the Oggy is in melee smacking things arou...
its mostly the shotgun
shotgun sends them tumbling
but often just
wont kill
pastel yew
tends to be an annoying quirk if people play around it though like
if the ogryn knows their breakpoints
unreal nova
Trauma usually means 3 booms.
pastel yew
dont waste ammo on this guy
same with plasma gun
honestly its not that bad if they play cool
and clear back to front
but they dont
they will consistently ignore every enemy in the room, to headshot the one you're about to get into melee with ;-;
unreal nova
They boom the things next to you when you are doing fine.
pastel yew
an I get it like.. its easy to brain off I've done the same
but I dont wanna play with it
unreal nova
I don't mind them trauma spam on me when I have the chainaxe for one.
Since that's really bleah against hordes.
But unless it's a mixed with big shit hordes when I have say Evis, it's just more annoying.
Mostly cos evis bounces off carapace reeeeeeeeeeee thing.
hallow eagle
What is the best set up for Vet at 40 Havoc? DS + Lasgun | VoC ?
calm shard
I'm not gonna lie the dueling sword feels like straight up dogshit on havoc
it's garbage at horde clear and the hitmass in havoc means you crumble the instant there's more than like 10 enemies
plasma gun seems to be the go to gun for most people
hallow eagle
it's garbage at horde clear and the hitmass in havoc means you crumble the insta...
at 40? Not enough ammo...
hallow eagle
Las weapons with shock trooper are nutty
Which versions?
unreal nova
I'm not gonna lie the dueling sword feels like straight up dogshit on havoc
To be fair, its weakness is really hordes. You can get away with 50billion aspd on Zealot at times at cost of RSI, but still.
hallow eagle
To be fair, its weakness is really hordes. You can get away with 50billion aspd ...
What would you run instead of DS?
unreal nova
What would you run instead of DS?
I dunno. I don't do high havocs. I'm still trying to find 3 ppl for 20.
supple stag
I did run DS4, mobility is nice
and on Havoc 40 you'll have trauma/purg psyker or flamer zealot
to melt hordes
- you should be using shredders on havoc anyway
If you hate DS4, idk go for Power Sword or Rashad
calm shard
mobility is nice but you don't kill anything
dueling sword on havoc very much feels like pre-class rework knife zealots talking
"Wow he's not dying! Nothing else is either!"
You really should be using psword, heavy sword, or axe so you can actually kill the problems rather than dance around them for 40 minutes
supple stag
^
calm shard
okay fine, but point still stands
duelling sword on havoc is pre class rework knife zealot shit
just because you aren't dying, doesn't mean you're helping
dire olive
Honestly a lot of post rework knife zealots kind of still fall into that
heady trout
Axe is good on havoc?
dire olive
At least the ones taking revolvers
unreal nova
Not hsword
I feel it's worse than even the claw.
thorn lark
dueling sword on havoc very much feels like pre-class rework knife zealots talki...
DS bad in Havoc? That was my h40 btw
calm shard
are you the vet with the terrible melee stats or the psyker with the terrible melee stats
because it looks to me like the 2 relic blade zealots did all the work melee wise
and the 2 ds players were using it to stay safe and use their ranged weapons
hallow eagle
thorn lark
are you the vet with the terrible melee stats or the psyker with the terrible me...
What are you talking about lol
calm shard
the relic blade zealot that did worse than the other has triple your melee kills
unreal nova
I mean, ds4 isn't really for hordes. You poke big guys with it, right?
calm shard
mostly yeah
but psword and axe do that+can kill hordes
dsword is ran if you want safety and are willing to accept not being able to kill hordes in melee
so basically the old knife zealot stereotype
unreal nova
Except mark6 maybe. Not sure high havocs.
To be fair, if they eat all the big guys, they are doing their jobs, right?
calm shard
yeah but like I said...power sword and combat axe do that too
except they can also kill hordes
or you can use your gun
thorn lark
You do realize that I was running shredders to take care of the horde right
unreal nova
Ps is risky. Caxe is kinda slow.
thorn lark
That's also a tool in your arsenal
calm shard
yeah, but you brought up your stats specifically to defend the duelling sword
which...isn't a significant factor in why your loadout did well
thorn lark
You said that you could only dance with the DS in high havoc
calm shard
and that's true
which you used to make space to throw shredders to actually kill things
you could also have done it with psword because of its high cleave and stagger, but caxe can't make space the way DS can
DS has great single target damage, and is good at making space
thorn lark
P-sword has shit mobility. I am never taking that in havocs
calm shard
It is awful at dealing with high hitmass hordes, which is all of them in havocs
pastel yew
It is **awful** at dealing with high hitmass hordes, which is all of them in hav...
I mean havoc is more team oriented right?
calm shard
yeah
thorn lark
It's very good at dealing with elites pack. Which is the real problem
pastel yew
you're gonna be dealing with elites and armor way better
everyone picks up their slack in one area
calm shard
hey crazy psword and caxe are good at dealing with elites too and don't have to spend 30 minutes to kill moebian 21st
calm shard
see this is the argument knife zealots made when coping about how shit it was during the early days
the mobility wouldn't be necessary if the enemies were dead to begin with
pastel yew
w...
it's not the enemies you're killing
the mobility gets you to the things you wanna kill
I mean thats the case at every level of play
the knife has dogshit horde clear
and is still one of the best weapons in the game
because its mobility lets you play around the horde rather than stabbing it
dive weapon
calm shard
pastel yew
the horde infront of you is effectively toughness regeneration and tanking
you're wanting to get at those juicy dps at the back
thorn lark
hey crazy psword and caxe are good at dealing with elites too and don't have to ...
Increased hitmass means that BP reliant blessings like brutal mom or death blow have less value overall
unreal nova
the horde infront of you is effectively toughness regeneration and tanking
And buffs.
pastel yew
And buffs.
mmh
you wanna get the squishy impactful shit
and high mobility weapons let you do that
calm shard
I play stealth vet like that
pastel yew
or if your ranged weapon is more filling other roles
calm shard
Use first charge to actually get to backline for free, kill everything I can and then use 2nd stealth to get out again if things get bad
unreal nova
Wat.
It takes 15 hits to kill a poxwalker or so when even the knife is like 3.
Claw at least has op parry.
calm shard
the heavy attacks 1 shot poxwalkers and it has brutal momentum
or wait
deathblow
whatever it's brutal momentum
hell the heavy attacks actually 1 shot scab bruisers even
bitter turtle
I feel it's worse than even the claw.
I think hsword is actually pretty high up in vets melee arsenal
Only weakness is carapace
bitter turtle
"Wow he's not dying! Nothing else is either!"
You aren't wrong in a sense if u mean hordes
unreal nova
I just don't know how you all get that. And I have a max damage one lul.
bitter turtle
Ds4 is absolutely terrible into them
The reason everyone brings it anyway is bc the psyker will use purg staff
So nobody rly needs the melee to kill hordes
Just to kill elites, and caxe/psword are slower at that still
frank ether
DS5 is pretty comfy
bitter turtle
DS bad in Havoc? That was my h40 btw
I will say surely you can have a more convincing example of ds4 in h40 than that tho 
frank ether
just lock in 4 relic blade zealots
unreal nova
Just rotate chorus through the entire map
30 sec CD?
bitter turtle
unreal nova
Well, brainpower does things. But you can just hurr durr bonk stuff at times.
calm shard
tbh book isnt bad if team is competent
it also marginally helps if your team is incompetent
bad teammates are why I don't take VoC
I don't personally need the survivability, and it ain't enough to stop shitters from going down so I just use exe stance or infiltrate and "support" the team by killing everything
frank ether
I've yet to see a single good vet in havoc
calm shard
don't worry you'll see me eventually (and I will also not be good)
unless you're not in NA in which case you will not see me, and I will be schrodingers good veteran
frank ether
eu
just up at NA hours because sleep schedule is a fuck
and I got a hospital visit so they can prescribe me more funny pills
so yaay, can't sleep 
unreal nova
What's sleep anyway?
calm shard
actually I wonder if I should take born leader on exe stance vet
I do be clicking heads
frank ether
I've been spamming havocs without any sleep for 20 hours and these mfs still do worse than me, like how
unreal nova
You mean the black out after so much time?
unreal nova
I've been spamming havocs without any sleep for 20 hours and these mfs still do ...
Happens in any game tbh. I used to play other stuff when sick as all heck, still better than most somehow.
calm shard
My favorite bad teammates are the ones that have all the rare hard to get titles
bitter turtle
Are you grinding to 40 or something
unreal nova
Is like, I have double shot reflexes right now. How da kark are you all dying or failing to dodge a 1 sec obvious hit warning?
They failed to avoid big red circle btw.
pale sand
what do you guys run on the double barrel?
could I get some assistance on my build?
@thorny totem has been helping me with it.
unreal nova
My favorite bad teammates are the ones that have all the rare hard to get titles
Probs from when you can alt f4 them.
bitter turtle
what do you guys run on the double barrel?
What do you intend to do with it
I can give you my build
bitter turtle
I just don't recommend using it on havoc 30+
pale sand
I don't have the squish talent tree
unreal nova
You still see ppl trying it on malice for the 15 no downs thing btw.
pale sand
yeah havoc 20s
thats
thats what im tryna do
brainless penance grinding for cosmetics
ok
right
forgive me the image dump
im kinda new green leaf mark whatever
bitter turtle
pseudo fiber
Lmfao
unreal nova
My brain goes to girls love <:yukiwot:1191939848311939092>
IKR.
calm shard
Probs from when you can alt f4 them.
I am also seeing bad teammates that have havoc 40, and the havoc exemplar title
rain badger
Just beat havoc 40, not the worst, but definitely tough. Is plasma meta for vet on havoc? The vet on my team was using it and he was wrecking shit. Everytime I use it, it feels weak. 
unreal nova
I am also seeing bad teammates that have havoc 40, and the havoc exemplar title
They probs got carried by the 0.0000001%.
bitter turtle
Just beat havoc 40, not the worst, but definitely tough. Is plasma meta for vet ...
Meta for havoc is laspistol /recon/plasma/bistol
calm shard
ngl pus hardened skin sucks but I think it's better than pox gas for havoc
pox gas covers 95% of the fuckin' map in some areas
and then it spawns a swarm of 10 tox bombers who are all extremely quiet specials with very dangerous grenades?
unreal nova
and then it spawns a swarm of 10 tox bombers who are all extremely quiet special...
They do talk, but still.
Farts, farts everywhere.
unreal nova
When you have 10 muties screaming and 25 doggos borking.
At the same time.
Remind me to never do muties swarm hunting grounds maelstrom ever again.
hallow eagle
Meta for havoc is laspistol /recon/plasma/bistol
wtf Laspistol for 40?
bitter turtle
Infernus and ghost
pale sand
bitter turtle
Thats basically the same build
With tinkerer instead of ogryn damage
Which is fine
pale sand
aight aight
didnt have a look was busy building
hsng on lermme pree
ok what is your mentality
hang on lemme update the description
hallow eagle
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dcd4a28-9b63-4dbd-a5bc-88211d06280a/sh...
Speed running what?
queen fox
Speed running what?
Defeat screen
unreal nova
Speed running what?
Maybe malice.
rain badger
Meta for havoc is laspistol /recon/plasma/bistol
Las pistol for blessing that makes you immune to ranged damage?
bitter turtle
Yes, ghost
rain badger
rain badger
Big if true
bitter turtle
Swap over and over
bitter turtle
Works ok below havoc 30
hallow eagle
Las pistol for blessing that makes you immune to ranged damage?
Immune to range
bitter turtle
Stab with gun
That is helbore
pale sand
guys
unreal nova
Stab with melee
Can't stab with bonk stick.
rain badger
Immune to range <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
Yes. I think IV Ghost is 1.2 seconds
bitter turtle
no
rain badger
Can probably just walk into a room of shooters and focus heads taking no damage
unreal nova
do you guys play ror2?
Risk of Rain 2?
rain badger
Played it for like 20hrs, never touched it again, and that was like 2yrs ago. Lmao
hallow eagle
because vet is my 2nd fav class easy
What is first class?
pale sand
Oggie
pale sand
Did they make it better?
Ye
Like yeah before seekers
People would be like
oh commando class
meh
I think commando is one of the most hated classes in the game.
unreal nova
I mean the expansion. Ppl hated it on release.
calm shard
How come no one wants Oggy at 40 Havoc?
shooters can kill anyone instantly at any time if they are not dealt with
Ogryn has the worst tools for dealing with them
unreal nova
How come no one wants Oggy at 40 Havoc?
Because big and slow. Unless you top 0.000000000001% Oggy... yeah.
calm shard
and also is fuckin' huge and gets shot a lot
scenic solstice
dump stat of bolt pistol?
hallow eagle
Poor Oggys
unreal nova
dump stat of bolt pistol?
Mobility. Or collateral. I think.
calm shard
stability
scenic solstice
shit
unreal nova
wb helbore?
Don't know. Feels bad to use except to stab things.
The stab op, actual gun meh.
calm shard
man I really want the havoc chest and helmet cosmetics but so many of the havoc modifiers are straight up not fun
scenic solstice
calm shard
getting one shot by a single basic shooter you missed in a crowd is exhausting
unreal nova
man I really want the havoc chest and helmet cosmetics but so many of the havoc ...
I want to get to 25 for the knoife pants. But yeah, suck too much need carry.
calm shard
helbore's not bad it's just clunky to use
unreal nova
helbore's not bad it's just clunky to use
Is just, feels bad when full charge can't kill stuff.
calm shard
mine one shots mostly everything
unreal nova
Still slow charge.
calm shard
yeah
initial charge is slow but I usually keep it out for a long time
so weight of fire is up
calm shard
power sword currently
scenic solstice
:0
the right answer is
shovel my beloved
i actually do like the shovel
pretty good
thorn lark
I will say surely you can have a more convincing example of ds4 in h40 than that...
DS + shredders work. And having another cleave weapon with 2 relic blade zealots would not have been that ideal. If the base argument is, don't bring in havoc it's sucks, well no. It has a purpose, and you can (and must) compensate for its shortcomings. That's not exactly rocket science.
bitter turtle
I'm not saying ds4 is bad
I'm saying your scoreboard isn't very good evidence of that is all
thorn lark
Also. I am not really proud you have done my h40 with a DS -_-
thorn lark
I'm saying your scoreboard isn't very good evidence of that is all
It's an illustration of, you kill the elites with the ds and you nade the rest.
pastel yew
on topic of havoc though man the party finder is
kinda dead
semi given up on waiting for my premade as we didnt play at all
thorn lark
That was my experience last week
pastel yew
I can tolerate like one random havoc game a day
slow progress but I'll get there eventually
bitter turtle
Imo
pastel yew
took a hot minute for people to join on though
pastel yew
Vet shouldn't lose to psyker in dmg
scriers gaze kinda nutty
unless you're talking about something specific
bitter turtle
Dome psyker in h40
unreal nova
semi given up on waiting for my premade as we didnt play at all
Even LFG did nothing.
bitter turtle
If they're sg then it's another story
pastel yew
Dome psyker in h40
yeah I mean if we're looking only at total damage
I can imagine purgatus wins out
unreal nova
Is actually really ded here.
bitter turtle
Idk
pastel yew
just because it's burning loads of garbage
hallow eagle
Vet shouldn't lose to psyker in dmg
How do you do more damage than a Psyker with a flame staff?
pastel yew
wild
unreal nova
If they're sg then it's another story
Yep.
pastel yew
idk damage done just isnt that useful a stat imo
because most damage done is to plebs typically
unreal nova
Just getting 1 40 takes ages.
bitter turtle
idk damage done just isnt that useful a stat imo
I don't mean it's super useful
pastel yew
what were you running/
unreal nova
And I basically accept anyone higher than me.
bitter turtle
But that guy posted his dmg done to prove ds4 is good
pastel yew
you were way ahead
bitter turtle
what were you running/
Ds4/recon
pastel yew
mmh
hallow eagle
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046912126746374274/131953930111...
Yeah but running what set up?
pastel yew
But that guy posted his dmg done to prove ds4 is good
ah fair then or... rather .. not good for both?
bitter turtle
Ds4 recon
pastel yew
idk like I said I feel damage done is a useless stat
better to look at elite/specialist kill totals
bitter turtle
I just said it
Yea well
In that case then vet should still be far ahead of purg psyker
pastel yew
In that case then vet should still be far ahead of purg psyker
big time
though neither is really a fair comparison
I'm surprised you pulled so far ahead of the purg psyker even still
well played
unreal nova
Number of kills should be horde psyker or relic zealot though.
bitter turtle
DS bad in Havoc? That was my h40 btw
Hence me saying this is not a good illustration
hallow eagle
So basically you go grenade spamming
bitter turtle
Well yea, grenades are good
pastel yew
vet in a nutshell it feels like
bitter turtle
But I use everything ofc
unreal nova
vet in a nutshell it feels like
Waiting for someone to just boltpistol nade h40.
bitter turtle
You don't use grenades on random trash horde anyway
hallow eagle
but don't you feel losing out on VOC and Focus Target gimps the team?
Not really a team build...
bitter turtle
but don't you feel losing out on VOC and Focus Target gimps the team?
I don't understand what grenades has to do with taking voc or focus target
And in any case
I don't like voc that much anyway in h40
But that is a hot take i guess
hallow eagle
I am saying this build is not a team build
just ups your individual damage by spamming nades into hordes
bitter turtle
Me soloing objectives like gloriana first event doesn't help team? 🤔
Idk what more u want me to do for the team, I kill and let them have all the ammo they want lmao
scenic solstice
chat
is this good (i dont give a shit if its meta or not i just wanna be krieg)
bitter turtle
Is serrated blade there for lore reasons
Cause I know the build prolly takes it for the bayonet but that's kinda meme
Especially compared to agile
U can proc agile on bayonet and the gun
So you don't even need to swap to maintain 25% dmg boost
scenic solstice
its there because
its there
boom
W answer amr amr
Is the dump stat of shovel
first target?
bitter turtle
Mobility or defenses
scenic solstice
bet bet
bitter turtle
You should move the point on serrated blade to agile engagement
scenic solstice
would you say 37
bitter turtle
Above close and kill
supple stag
Defences is a dump on shovels
bitter turtle
Even as a krieg larp it's literally the best talent in the tree for hb bayonet gameplay
scenic solstice
Above close and kill
oh
bitter turtle
Well
paper trellis
Could always mass pull from requisition
bitter turtle
U can use it anyway
paper trellis
I’ve had to do so plenty of times
bitter turtle
It probably can still 1 shot crushers
bitter turtle
Which is the point of folding shovel
O yea
Swap their perks and blessings on the shovel
Limbsplitter is pure meme
Uncanny thrust
Carapace flak
paper trellis
Decimater and uncanny
bitter turtle
Is it not a folding shovel?
bitter turtle
Yea then uncanny strikes + thrust for blessing
paper trellis
Slap em with the spike
bitter turtle
Cara and flak for perks
scenic solstice
yeah
bitter turtle
Idk what the names are anymore
scenic solstice
the basic
bitter turtle
Non folding shovel is
scenic solstice
MK 1
bitter turtle
Decimator + uncanny strikes
scenic solstice
munitorum is the thrust attack
bitter turtle
Yes
paper trellis
Am I the only one that finds it funny how disrespectful the light spike attack is? Go up to a rager and boop him on the head for instant kill
scenic solstice
i got 13 on helbore stopping power
bitter turtle
The starting stats don't matter, what is the max stat
bitter turtle
Also stopping power is extremely important
Low stability doesn't matter
Yea that's bad sorry
scenic solstice
yeap
bitter turtle
You can dump stability
Or ammo if you're desperate
Helbore has a lot of ammo anyway
thorn lark
Hence me saying this is not a good illustration
I was answering to the first take which was so badly one sided (DS bad you kill nothing in Havoc you're just dancing) <_<
odd sparrow
Ammo is a pretry redundant stat on helbores since youre usually taking shock trooper so its still good
scenic solstice
alright
bitter turtle
For like 90% of content
scenic solstice
thank you
pastel yew
upgrade yo shovel boyo...
scenic solstice
upgrade yo shovel boyo...
i was rolling
pastel yew
what'd they change about the helbores
in locked n loaded
was it draw speed
am I misremembering
heavy rover
I think ammo efficiency and also added armourbane as a blessing
heavy rover
Yeah
pastel yew
I guess I should just cope and use the other variants
pseudo fiber
Watched an Ogryn walk into a daemonhost and wake them up in havoc 40
how we doing gang?
pastel pumice
To play or not to play Havoc 40
radiant chasm
Genuinly stunned
Maximum braincells
pastel yew
he's tryna make a new friend
pseudo fiber
The games have been vile today gang
hallow eagle
The games have been vile today gang
Why baby? 
pseudo fiber
1 wound psyker
still havoc 40
ping med station
ignores it
ping again
ignores
fine I take it
go through door
psyker dies
verbal burrow
And how did that make you feel
warm bolt
How did he get carried till havoc 40
pseudo fiber
warm bolt
And how did that make you feel
I dont think such strong profanity is allowed here
hallow eagle
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376> *How did he get carried till havoc 40*
He didn't he just joined a 40 and got carried
hallow eagle
1 wound psyker
Should ask people if they have done 40 before or if they want a carry lols
pastel pumice
Probably his off day
hallow eagle
I mean seeing +1 wound is already a red flag
tough tiger
Friendly crusher says hello to you and your +1 wound curios
calm shard
finished a havoc 28 mission where my entire team had barely over 100 ranged enemy kills between them
(because I'm playing exe stance vet and I killed almost all of them single handedly)
pseudo fiber
oh i meant they were on their last wound
calm shard
it was a pus skin mission too and Helbore helps a lot with that
since it usually overkills shooters and gunners so much it can still 1 shot them
pseudo fiber
mk2 vs mkx laspistol for havoc
faint beacon
heavy rover
it was a pus skin mission too and Helbore helps a lot with that
which helbore mark were you using?
calm shard
IIIa
anyways the very next mission this happened https://imgur.com/a/bxdy7Ve
(the last guy got mercilessly gunned down by the shotgunners I was trying to kill)
hollow ibex
anyways the very next mission this happened https://imgur.com/a/bxdy7Ve
this is when OP learned about the term "fatal funnel"
calm shard
I really expected the Ogryn to at least be able to stagger the Crusher
I kinda assumed he'd be dead before I even needed to think about him
scenic solstice
the lasgun iron sight
is sometimes inaccurate
i aim directly at the head
yet it sometimes misses
calm shard
yeah the helbores default sights are complete dogshit
paper trellis
anyways the very next mission this happened https://imgur.com/a/bxdy7Ve
What is that skin you are using?
paper trellis
Ahh I should tinker with my helbore’s look
scenic solstice
weapon customization mod
idk how to mod
i tried and it didnt do shit so i prob did it wrong
paper trellis
i tried and it didnt do shit so i prob did it wrong
You probably didn’t put the reference in the text file
scenic solstice
yeah i did
calm shard
you just copy the name of the folder
scenic solstice
it didnt work for me
calm shard
did you also toggle darktide to actually load the mods
with this little guy right here
also have to press him again any time the game updates
scenic solstice
could you send a guide vid?
hollow ibex
search one up yourself...
scenic solstice
i did and fucked up
so i'd rather have someone who knows this shit send me one
than me
hollow ibex
so i'd rather have someone who knows this shit send me one
an example of what the mod load order file should look like
there are also mods that generate this for you on nexus
scenic solstice
there are also mods that generate this for you on nexus
i seee
calm shard
an example of what the mod load order file should look like
I almost always place dependencies at the very start of load order myself, but yes
hollow ibex
that's prob best practice
tawny badger
#zealot-class in the modlist is crazy
pastel yew
anyways the very next mission this happened https://imgur.com/a/bxdy7Ve
lol
that is so fucked up
scenic solstice
alright
pastel yew
or your game will stutter
pastel yew
weapon customization is a good mod, but for whatever reason it has a load of randomization stuff enabled by default
scenic solstice
pastel yew
no hol u
scenic solstice
alr
pastel yew
in game, hit escape and go to mod options, navigate to this page
turn all of this shit off
scenic solstice
in randomization only?
scenic solstice
and the others
pastel yew
it makes your game stutter
scenic solstice
are optinoal
pastel yew
yeah just whatever you want