veteran-class

[pastel yew]

so long as you're getting ws kills

[wanton dawn]

It use to be good with the ciag. Idk what this gun is called now

[hasty rain]

Yeah this is my second question actually: I feel like the 'stand still and passively generate stacks' is a trap perk?

Considering it locks out max stacks from 10->15

[hasty rain]

Can you explain the 'ciag' to me?

[wanton dawn]

It was the columnus infantry autogun

Autogun with the biggest finesse base

[hasty rain]

Oh that, yes I've used that a bunch.

It felt okay but the sights are what annoyed me

[wanton dawn]

With bolter i prefer middle keystone

[hasty rain]

Why so?

[wanton dawn]

Cuz it already destroy tiny dude, it has stam regen built in for deadshot, and it helps killing what I try killing

[hasty rain]

Good points, thank you

[wanton dawn]

I also play it with exe without shooter highlight

[pastel yew]

thinki its called the vraks now...

unsure

[pastel yew]

yeah its shit

honestly all of the nodes for mf ranged from bad to not good except for the one that lets you get 5 more stacks

[wanton dawn]

The passive gain from standing still is the only one i value

Guess why ? It ticks in melee

[pastel yew]

only if you're standing still

the only way to maintain stacks is weakspot ranged kills

so if you dodge you lose your stacks

[wanton dawn]

It works fine enough for me.

But that from my melee choice

[pastel yew]

I cant think of any time I'm standing still in melee

but if you are then fair

it's not like generating stacks is hard though

[hasty rain]

I've been playing for 160+ hrs and I just want to confirm my knowledge here:
Weakspot ranged kills = headshots

Right?

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[hasty rain]

OK cool, not difficult then

[pastel yew]

a single range weakspot kill is already 2.25 entire seconds of standing still

[hasty rain]

Yeah it's kinda horrifying how bad the stand still perk is when you put it like that

[pastel yew]

its a very slow stack gain

any weapon with pen also makes it worse again

[wanton dawn]

Until you consider bp interaction and the value of frontloading dmg gain

Then you have to math it out

[pastel yew]

idk I feel like for most weapons thats a non issue, maybe boltgun if theres nothing else to shoot

and if you're going for bolter breakpoints I'm 90% sure focus target is better

[wanton dawn]

Am talking autogun

[pastel yew]

breakpoints on automatic weapons lmao

[wanton dawn]

Yeah ? When you consider crit you can also kill from limb and body shot miss

[pastel yew]

if you're that worried about breakpoints for the automatic weapon though

you have loads of ammo

it will take less than a second to kill a poxwalker or three

and instantly be at almost full stacks

[wanton dawn]

No you dont have load of ammo since surv nerf

[pastel yew]

even then mf isnt really all that impactful for breakpoints there as

in havoc I'd agree

in normal play its impossible to run out of ammo

like you have to have someone actively griefing your team to run out

which isnt uncommon...

but its not really that frequent

[wanton dawn]

Oh well, we have very different experience

[pastel yew]

idk I think its pretty widely accepted that ammo drops are far too plentiful in auric?

it's why I didnt massively care about the survivalist nerf and why I dont often take it unless I want to be as ammo neutral as possible

[wanton dawn]

You play recon with crit talent and plasma though

[pastel yew]

so in my last auric game

that wasnt rolling steel or a late join quickplay

there was 23 light boxes picked up, 8 medium bags and at least one ammo box dropped

that means each player had 100% of their starting ammo AND 286% around on the map to pick up

and thats assuming ammo was split evenly amongst all four

which it wasnt, and usually isnt

[wanton dawn]

Thats about what I ate on my best mf ciag game

[pastel yew]

idk loads of ammo, though most of my ciag playtime was on psyker which

was with my own build that had things to lessen ammo impact

there I didnt have much trouble

for sure the recons are basically infinite though

[pastel yew]

number is a little innacurate though given most people arent looting a full reload while at 0 bullets

probably closer to 236% extra in reality

[crimson pebble]

if anything could just nerf the them to be the half resupply like in high tier havok

[pastel yew]

just quickplayed into a game with 3 level 1200+

jesus

[pastel yew]

yeah though the spawn rate of bags could stand to go down as well

idk ammo overabundance is sorta one of those things I think is hard to balance well

given weapons arent really balanced around it

some weapons are really ammo hungry and do loads of damage... some guns are super ammo efficient and do the same or more damage

[odd sparrow]

Yeah and each guns ammo usage is never in a vacuum because you never know ammo hungry your teammates are gonna be. They could be anywhere inbetween recon into crowds and staff psykers

And youd rather have too much ammo spawning than too little because that would be super frustrating for gun dependant playstyles

[wanton dawn]

Recon is not a good example cuz it has dedicated ammo regen talent

[odd sparrow]

Oh right true forgot

[wanton dawn]

Take autogun or shredder

[odd sparrow]

Lmao havent given recon much thought i suppose

[vital wren]

Yeah I was with a nice team that kept trying to feed me ammo and I had to be like, "Chill, I could barely run out in this build unless I made a point to do so."

Using recon that is.

"But your ammo percentage is lower" "I have 600 left and we're at the end event bro"

[unreal nova]

I mean, it's probs better than everyone grabbyhanding ammo instead of asking.

[vital wren]

Oh yeah, it was just a little silly 🙂 Not an actual complaint!

[scenic solstice]

dump stat of chainsword?

is it penetration

[tame lodge]

Never

It's mobility

[wild wasp]

Is there any point in blessing chainsword with both savage sweep and wrath? Is that too much cleave? xD

[pseudo fiber]

Nah no point

[tame lodge]

That is indeed too much cleave

[wild wasp]

Thanks, will probably go for rampage as im not sure any of the others are fantastic

[tame lodge]

You don't need 40 cleave on those heavies

💀

[wild wasp]

Being recommended to go duelling sword for late havoc, but i like the x11g too much

Im sure anyone can make anything work really

[tame lodge]

Well you see
If you have a purga psyker play around it and use DS elite killing power to keep your team safe from Ragers and whatnot

The alternative is frag grenades for hordes

[wild wasp]

Ahh ok, the blessings on DS do suit that better (much better)

Im taking shredders anyway for those massive melee elite balls lol

I think im running agile and riposte on that atm

Its a bit of a mixed bag as i dont have a team to play with. I had two infiltrator vets on havoc 34 the other day lmao, normally i dont judge but they didn't subvert my expectations shall we say

Sorry for spam but do you think i should switch out agile for thrust or something like that to up its offensive a little bit?

[unreal nova]

Is playstyle. I enjoy agile bs when I'm just tired of every bs the game shoves at me.

[tame lodge]

I'd take uncanny
For dealing with armor and bosses+ buffing bleed from the grenades

[unreal nova]

So reverse inf dodge bs back.

[pseudo fiber]

Thrust can be a little memey on DS

[unreal nova]

Is better if you come from VT2.

At least my GF says.

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

I suppose that's true I still find the utility from precognition useful

And at high havoc agile isn't bad as there a... lot of enemies.

Even then with modifiers like the 21st I prefer bringing power sword

[scenic solstice]

shiit

got 80 mobility

should i just use

this one

[pseudo fiber]

Neither and go for low mobility still

It's easily the worst stat

[scenic solstice]

yeah

game isnt giving that

[unreal nova]

Just wait a little and try again.

[terse idol]

Imo at least with the red DS you just spam H1 and Special attack for single target dps anyways

you could probably make an argument for thrust but I haven't tested the BP

[bitter turtle]

Thrust can 1 tap but I think it's a meme personally

It's about as fast as just h1 special h1 anyway

I run agile because it's busted imo but I know some people just run 2x dmg blessings and call agile bad

Uncanny with whatever

[pseudo fiber]

Uncanny agile is good

[unreal nova]

Gets dragged into damnation. Just panic spam dodge and lights at headlevel, somehow is fine.

[vernal trench]

Just fly away with emperors gifted wings

[bitter turtle]

Yea I agree, but some people have argued with me calling it a crutch

And in the actual sense of the word

Good for bad players but makes good players worse

Since you should just run 2x dmg according to them

I'm just bad ig

[pseudo fiber]

There are 7000 crushers and ragers ill take the dodges at high havoc

In auric sure not needed

[bitter turtle]

The convo was about havoc40 yea

[vernal trench]

Wat r u talking about

Are people saying agile is bad or uncanny is bad

[bitter turtle]

Agile

[vernal trench]

Agile is so great

[bitter turtle]

Nobody gonna call uncanny bad

[vernal trench]

Idk how to use uncanny tho cuz how am i gonna weakspot hit crushers that quickly

Or can u do it with light attacks

[bitter turtle]

You can buy idk what you mean how

Just h1 special h1

Their head

[vernal trench]

How does uncanny work

[bitter turtle]

Should kill them w/ some melee talents on tree

[pseudo fiber]

There is one person

[bitter turtle]

Every time u hit a weakspot

You gain 1 stack of uncanny

Each stack is 30% rending or whatever idr the number

Max 5 stacks

[vernal trench]

Damn

[pseudo fiber]

24 iirc

[bitter turtle]

They fall off after some time of no attacks

[vernal trench]

Ill try it out

[bitter turtle]

Like idk 3.5 seconds? Literally just pulling out of my ass here can't be bothered to check

[vernal trench]

Lmao

[pseudo fiber]

Uncanny does something

Idk what

[unreal nova]

Rending on hedpoke.

[pseudo fiber]

I forget does rending affect dregs helmets

[bitter turtle]

Looked it up

3.5 seconds

Damn i was hella off

[unreal nova]

If flak, probs? They die too fast anyway.

[vernal trench]

What does rending actually do

[bitter turtle]

Do you know how adms work

Cause if you do its very simple

[unreal nova]

Is like -armor.

[bitter turtle]

It's just a flat value added to adm up until 100% with quartered effectiveness after 100%

Does not affect unarmored and infested, however

[vernal trench]

Whats adms

[bitter turtle]

armor damage modifier

[vernal trench]

So it makes armor ineffective

[bitter turtle]

basically, yes

but it isnt armor penetration

because you can go above 100%

[vernal trench]

how does that work

[bitter turtle]

if you have an ADM of 70% against flak, for example

and you deal 100 damage

it gets mutipl;ied by 0.7

so you only deal 70

[vernal trench]

What about carapace?

[bitter turtle]

if you have 10% rending it just adds 0.1 on to the multiplier

so now you deal 80

same thing

all of themw ork the same way

[vernal trench]

Oh okay

[bitter turtle]

rending just adds 0.24 to the multiplier per stack

however

if you reach 100%

you can go above

so suppose you have an ADM of 100% on carapace

and you stack rending (24%)

it still does something

but it only works at aa quarter of effectiveness

[loud belfry]

rending just gives extra damage even beyond the armor resistance thing?

[bitter turtle]

so what is a normally 24% boost becomes only 6%

so you have 106% ADM vs cara

[vernal trench]

Im more confused bow

Now

[bitter turtle]

ok so

ADM is just the dmg multiplier against each armor type

[vernal trench]

Break it down like im stupid xd

[bitter turtle]

every single armor type has its own ADM

like i remember pre buff recon was something like

50% vs maniac

70% vs flak

so if you say, shot a recon with a base damage of idk, 50 damage per shot

maniacs would only take 25 damage per shot

flak enemies would only take 35

[loud belfry]

why didnt you use 100 damage per shot you lunatic

[bitter turtle]

because you only get 50% and 75% of your damage value, respectively

[vernal trench]

That amkes a lot more sense

[bitter turtle]

now

what rending does is

is add to that % as a flat value

so suppose the same example

we took rendings trikes on t he tree (+10% rending)

now maniacs is 60% and flak is 80%

so your 50 damage shot now does 30 damage and 40 damage respectively

[vernal trench]

I always ise that but idk how much of a difference it makes

[bitter turtle]

this works normally all the way up to 100%

after 100%, you can still add more to your ADM

[vernal trench]

Why do u do less damage

[bitter turtle]

wdym

it was 50-> 25/35 before
now its 50 -> 30/40

maniac/flak

[vernal trench]

I thought u do more damage to armored enemeis

With rending

[bitter turtle]

no

that's just ane asy way to thinka bout it

but it affects maniacs, unyielding, etc

it affects everything except unarmored and infested armor types

let me write it in an organized way

50 damage attack

50% ADM = 25 damage deatl
60% ADM = 30 damage dealt
70% ADM = 35 damage dealt
100% ADM = 50 damage dealt

[loud belfry]

A flak enemy exists. You do 100 damage per shot. This flak enemy/flak as an armor has an ADM of 70% against your weapon(for example)

100 damage per shot * 70% -> 70 damage per shot against flak

if you add 30% (70 + 30%) rending it will be
100 damage per shot * 100% -> 100 damage per shot against flak, full damage

if you add 40% (70 + 40% = 110) rending it will be 102.5% rending

yes?

[bitter turtle]

yes

[vernal trench]

Oh i get it now

[bitter turtle]

also, damage falloff is done through modifying the ADM

so if you see a gun say

70 to 50 % ADM based on falloff

at close range you get an ADM of 70%

but it drops over distance to 50%

so rending also counteracts damage falloff

[vernal trench]

Tf

[bitter turtle]

not important for the melee weapons, of course

but

[vernal trench]

This game mechanics too confusing

Doesnt hellbore have a damage falloff?

[loud belfry]

they kinda are but i think they do it on purpose to give us something to do

[vernal trench]

Probably

[bitter turtle]

idk go look it up

[vernal trench]

But still confusing as hell

[bitter turtle]

i dont use helbores

in any case, rending just adds to the ADM

so if you have 20% rending

your ADM vs maniac/flak/unyielding/carapace are all boosted by 20%

[lime pendant]

I'm definitely a window licker because I just discovered the shredder pistol.

And it fucks hard.

[bitter turtle]

UNLESS you hit 100%, then anything past that is only 1/4th in effectiveness

[vernal trench]

I see

[bitter turtle]

so if you got 80% rending but you are already at 100% ADM on that armor type, you only get 20% and your ADM on that armor type beccomes 120%

[loud belfry]

so basically rending is op

except against unarmored and infested which it does nothing

but they apparently already have 100% ADM anyway(?)

[hollow ibex]

depends on the amount and the weapon but it can provide a meaningful damage buff

[bitter turtle]

Rending isn't really op

It's just uncanny provides an obscene amount

[vernal trench]

How does uncanny work

[hollow ibex]

yeah rending node for example can be good, but it really depends

[bitter turtle]

24% rending per stack with 5 stacks

[vernal trench]

Do u hit an enemy and if u shoot it it keeps the rending

[bitter turtle]

It gives you a stack for hitting a weakpoint with the weapon that has it

[loud belfry]

hmm, maybe brittleness is at least strong. like if you can increase your entire team's damage by sometimes 50%+ then that's gotta be worth something (looks at can opener)

[bitter turtle]

Lasts 3.5 seconds and refreshes if you hit it again

[vernal trench]

But if u got dueling sword they die in multiple hits even if u miss

So whast the point

[odd sparrow]

Rending is generally good.

On weapons with high ADMs it doesnt do much tho like plasma

[bitter turtle]

Because it hits even harder

Uncanny is a minimum 25% damage boost even if you hypothetically had 100 % ADM against that armor type

[vernal trench]

But they die anyway

[bitter turtle]

That's its literal worst case scenario

[vernal trench]

I gotta try it n see how i feek about it

[bitter turtle]

Are you asking why damage is good if they die anyway eventually

[hollow ibex]

crazy thing to ask

[vernal trench]

Idk i like using thrust cuz i can break the captain sheilds quickly

[hollow ibex]

"they die anyway"

[bitter turtle]

Guess you are ok if u only deal 1 damage

They will die eventually

[hollow ibex]

let's see that bravado when you're dealing with 10 crushers

[loud belfry]

well he isnt totally wrong in thinking that but the problem is that rending can be used on enemies that arent already dying since it's a buff for yourself

[vernal trench]

Well if they die in 2 hits whats the point of making it stronger they still gonna die in 2 hits

Unless it can be so strong u can one tap crushers

Idk

[bitter turtle]

You are right in that regard actually but i don't think u can 2tap crushers without uncanny or a crit

Maybe with a ton of melee talents idk

[vernal trench]

U can use thrust for it

[bitter turtle]

Ok

Do you not see

[vernal trench]

Thats what i use to deal with crushers if my dumbass dont miss

[bitter turtle]

How if you have to charge 2 attacks

It's much worse than say

Not charging 2 attacks

[vernal trench]

Yea but im like dodging back and forth it works well with the chatgung

[bitter turtle]

And still killing them anyway

[vernal trench]

Ill try it out

Uncanny

[teal canyon]

Oh look, frigging 3001 returned

[bitter turtle]

You are using the correct combo right?

[vernal trench]

I used the wrong dueling sword on psyker anyway i didnt even notice

[bitter turtle]

Not that it's difficult at all

[vernal trench]

Ny heavy was doing piss damage

[bitter turtle]

H1 special H1

It staggers the crusher

[vernal trench]

For bosses yea

[bitter turtle]

So you don't need to dodge

[vernal trench]

Does it do that

I didnt know that

Ill do fhat then lmao

[bitter turtle]

Ds4 special action staggers all non boss enemies

On a weakpoint hit

[vernal trench]

Damn

Doesnt heavy also stagger tho

I stagger them all the time with it

[bitter turtle]

Idk, I don't in havoc at least

[vernal trench]

I dont remember where it was but im pretty sure it does in havoc

Lemme see what mk im using on my vet

Mk 4 yea

[bitter turtle]

It staggers an undamaged crusher?

[vernal trench]

Idk about crushers

I think it does

Cuz i remember a lot of times they get staggered when i stab them

Mayb eim weong tho

Wrong

But maulers definitely

[loud belfry]

special is so fast and has such high stagger that you might as well do it to really force them to stagger

[vernal trench]

They bop their heads

[bitter turtle]

Special action staggers them much harder even on mauler

[vernal trench]

Ill start doing thst

I had no idea its good for staggering

Thats gonna be so clutch

How do yall know all this shit

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

[loud belfry]

personally i dont know that much but others seem to make it their hobby to know everything

[bitter turtle]

[loud belfry]

and this isnt exactly hidden or rare knowledge

[vernal trench]

Too many numbers

Hurt my brain

[bitter turtle]

i know a few people here have way more hours too

and by a significant amount

like 4k or something

[vernal trench]

How many do u have

[bitter turtle]

i literally linked it to u

#veteran-class message

[loud belfry]

2.1k

[vernal trench]

Thsts a lot

[loud belfry]

i wish steam could track in-game time vs like, in mourningstar time. that goes for every game

[vernal trench]

Yea i bet half my playtime is me afking

[loud belfry]

exactly

[vernal trench]

I sit there and do nothing for hours on end

[bitter turtle]

the special actions taggers them way more

[bitter turtle]

you can see it here

[vernal trench]

Ph yea

They get pushed vack

Bacj

I feel like everyone glazing shout way too much

Its good but its just what it is

[bitter turtle]

idk i use infiltrate

[vernal trench]

I havent tried it in havoc yet

Its way too op for survivability

Idk how itll work if u can still just run up to gunners and kill them

[bitter turtle]

here is with no special action

the stagger is insignificant in comparison

[bitter turtle]

no

you can't

[terse idol]

Yeah because voc is insane

[vernal trench]

Yea

[terse idol]

Because of the CDR you get

[crisp oak]

Ive also found out that revive voc has a weird usage

[vernal trench]

Its pretty good

[crisp oak]

Glitching out daemonhosts

[vernal trench]

Ngl ive never tried it

[vernal trench]

Oh yea i heard it does that lmfao

[terse idol]

Me as I argue wether or not voc is only good or if it's OP

[vernal trench]

Its like really good for team play but u lose out on that damage and highlighte from executioner stance atlwast for me

[terse idol]

They did not expect the shout to pick up the person they're eating

[vernal trench]

If my team can do fine without my shout i just wont bring it

[vernal trench]

Hampter

[bitter turtle]

stagger vs crusher

[vernal trench]

Damn

I gotta do that mire

I do it with captains but never on regular stuff

[terse idol]

Ahh ee

[crisp oak]

The only infiltrate vet Ive played with in quickplay recently.... only used it to swap aggro over to me

[terse idol]

It just works better for a good team since they've already built bps

[vernal trench]

I bring it so i can keep rescuing my useless teamates

[crisp oak]

Was pretty annoying tbh

"Oh no I ran ahead and stayed in one place killing poxwalkers"

[vernal trench]

I mean for a good team they wont need that extra survivability i can dump it all to damage output

[bitter turtle]

it can also open up bulwark shields but unreliable

[crisp oak]

Crap here comes ragers better let my team deal with it

[terse idol]

Ahh

[bitter turtle]

have to actually hit them in the head

[terse idol]

You always need the survivability frankly

[vernal trench]

And why

[bitter turtle]

which is annoying

[terse idol]

Since blocking burst damage is ggoooood

[vernal trench]

Na

[terse idol]

Yes

[vernal trench]

Na

[bitter turtle]

you will die

[terse idol]

On high havoc especially

[bitter turtle]

that is why

[terse idol]

[vernal trench]

Not if ur geam is good enough

Team

[terse idol]

Not on high havoc

Where you need voc

[vernal trench]

Do they spot u like instantly

Unlike maelstroms

[bitter turtle]

if you p[ay 35+ havoc

heck, even 30+

[vernal trench]

I dont use it if i got a good geam

[bitter turtle]

maybe

but gunners shoot faster

[vernal trench]

yea

[bitter turtle]

and by faster, i mean basic trash mob shooters are more dangerous than snipers imo

[bitter turtle]

no you don't

[vernal trench]

i was thinking using terrifying barrage and fucking them up

[bitter turtle]

its good

but ive been clearing just fine without it

[vernal trench]

i mean u can run anything with vet on havoc 40

[bitter turtle]

imo infil is better on some maps anyway

hot take

i guess

[vernal trench]

Chasm logistratum

with the stupid interrogation

tbh idk how u can use infiltrate for to o

Tho

If u cant run up to frontlines and take hem out why bring it

Them

If its just for survivability it feels like a waste since ur not activeky doing more damage

[pastel yew]

christ... thats a lot of hours

[bitter turtle]

pretty sure i saw someone here say they have 4k

[vernal trench]

Imnsure theres oeople with way more out there somewhere

[pastel yew]

I think my most played game is r6s

and thats only 2.5k and from playing for most of its 8-9 years of life

darktides approaching 500 but the thought of someone having played 8x that is wild

there's just not enough content

[vernal trench]

I got like 300 something i think

[bitter turtle]

idk

i have a lot of fun with the game

aside from mobile games

its the only game i play now

in my spare time

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean me too but, I guess I get bored easy

[loud belfry]

there isnt really a lot of content but it's fun. im starting to feel some boredom after 1.4k hours though

[pastel yew]

most games I really enjoy tend to hit about 500 hours before I slow heavily

after siege most games sit at far lower

[bitter turtle]

MHW and MHR are seocnd probably

[vernal trench]

How do u play that much of any game

[bitter turtle]

but idk how much of that time is legit just sitting around looking at my character

[pastel yew]

some times something just clicks

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/63f19bf6fe6aa10072a93ee79db04afc.png

[pastel yew]

I think I put about 1k hours into siege in the first year of owning it

monster hunter world is super cool

I got annoyed by the janky hitboxes though

[pastel pumice]

Gamers have all the time in the world if you actually are a gamer

[pastel yew]

I tried the newer mh game and really didnt vibe with it at all

[pastel pumice]

Getting 1k hours is easy work in my uneventful life

[vernal trench]

I tried one but i just didnt like it at all

[pastel pumice]

MH Wilds is gonna be so peak

[pastel yew]

think I'll probably pick up the next mh game thats pc exclusive again

as I think the games being tied to dated hardware really does affect the product negatively

[broken spade]

1k+ hours piles up pretty fast if you have friends to play it with pretty often

[pastel yew]

mhm

[pastel pumice]

^^

[pastel yew]

I mean if its your primary hobby

and you're playing like 2-3 hours a day on average

that's a significant chunk of time

[pastel pumice]

Destiny 2, which is sad, but have over 1k hours on

I play 14+ hours a day

[pastel yew]

I mostly only play shit games too, so I relate

[pastel pumice]

On day offs

[pastel yew]

I've got the insomnia excuse

what else am I supposed to do when everyones in bed

[broken spade]

People who "casually" play the same comfort game over and over again rack up hours without realizing it
I'm looking at all the warframe players out there

[pastel yew]

warframe is one of those games I really didnt get

like its super pretty, and the movement feels good

[pastel pumice]

warframe being called a comfort game

[pastel yew]

but the gameplay is so dead

[pastel pumice]

that's just masochism

[broken spade]

warframe's gameplay is super casual but anyone who has played it for over a year is likely to have a thousand hours

it just drains your soul

I stopped at around 500

saved myself from that madness

[pastel yew]

feels like mmo's in general

not really a genre I've ever gotten into

a lot of it is mindless busy work

[hollow ibex]

i enjoyed it

[pastel yew]

very high quality game though

[hollow ibex]

it's just a power fantasy game

[pastel yew]

I wish more games had movement that smooth

[hollow ibex]

and it does very well for that purpose

you really feel like a godly space ninja

[pastel yew]

nice when power fantasy feels like a result of your input though

trepang is a great example of that

same with doom

power fantasy is there but make a single mistake and you get sploded

[vernal trench]

Minecraft pvp

[pastel yew]

real as fuck

[broken spade]

yeah i can only stand a mindless power fantasy for so long before it feels pointless

[pastel pumice]

ahem destiny 2

[broken spade]

I've never played destiny

if it's anything like warframe, i'm not doing this shit again

[pastel pumice]

no lol

destiny 1 was the GOAT

2 is just rundown version

[pastel yew]

destiny 2 seems like an abusive relationship from the outside looking in

all my friends that enjoy that game paint its quality to be like that of a yo yo

[pastel pumice]

everyone who plays it hates it

but they cant stop playing it

[pastel yew]

a feeling I know well

[pastel pumice]

only way d2 can be enjoyed is with a partner or with friends

[pastel yew]

but it's only those like... slightly shitty games that get you

[pastel pumice]

im one of the lucky ones to finally quit

[pastel yew]

because they're so close to getting something right

that you stick with

[pastel pumice]

it took 1.5k hours...

[broken spade]

understandable

I've learned to quit earlier when it comes to games that do that to me now

[pastel pumice]

Same

[pastel yew]

more than ever before though games are really designed to keep you trapped

I feel like I've got loads of games I need to actually sit and play through but

just go back to the same 5 or so games on rotation

[broken spade]

well, okay i'm not immune to sticking around a game for too long. 1.3k hours on darktide

[wanton dawn]

Havoc mod difficulty is as inconsistent as maelstrom mod

[broken spade]

but at least i take breaks from the game to play other shit

I've taken several months away from darktide back when the game didn't update

[vernal trench]

Idk bout dat

It depends on modifiers if

Ig

Pox gas tho makes everything 10x worse

[broken spade]

The only havoc modifier that felt way worse than others is pox gas

[vernal trench]

Its just bad

[broken spade]

i switch to chorus zealot if i ever see pox gas

it's too painful otherwise

[vernal trench]

Pox gas sucks ass

[tall torrent]

havoc is so funny that the spread 10% crit chance talent for piety keystone is the go-to on zealot

[wanton dawn]

oh well, h40 validated this week, I can go on christmas now

[vernal trench]

17 more weeks to go

[terse idol]

Me as I

[pastel yew]

huh why?

because of dots?

[pastel yew]

pox gas could be really cool with some pretty minor tweeks though

rather than these huge patches of very slow to change gas

it should be smaller patches of more rapidly changing gas

so you're actually forced to move around or get separated

rather than current pox gas which is... sitting still and staring at a cloud for ages as you wait for it to pass

[tall torrent]

Cuz zealot is not the main dps half the time

[pastel yew]

dont they benefit more from those crits though?

with duellist

[tall torrent]

More than inferno/voidblast psyker?

[pastel yew]

nah I suppose not

man psyker really is eating good in havoc

literally no major changes it seems

just play psyker

[wanton dawn]

Btw, what is your highest relic lvl ?

[tall torrent]

Relic lvl?

[wanton dawn]

Rating

[tall torrent]

What’s that

[tall torrent]

430 is highest

[tame lodge]

Free 25% tdr

And 2% tg on kills but that doesn't really matter

[queen fox]

whats the best weapon in your opinion to use with marksmans focus? im trying to get the penance

im thinking its kantrael but maybe plasma or vigilant

[tall torrent]

If you’re going for penance, combat axe / power sword

Crab walk, kill 2.5k enemies with melee / grenades / gun

Melee is fastest

[wanton dawn]

Alright, I am going to commit a warcrime

Am calling it "Overcommit"

Wait, I dont need grenade

[slow flint]

what the fuck is that

if it works it works ig

[wanton dawn]

Am gonna test it

[wanton dawn]

Dont try this at home

Am a professional

[grand perch]

That's close to my ilas build

[fading meadow]

Hi guys, I have a question , What is Volley Fire? And how can I get that for the Penance " Marked for Death"
Thanks

[wanton dawn]

volley fire is base ult without talent

exe stance is the improved form

[fading meadow]

Should I choose something in Talents to get that?

[crisp oak]

Executioners stance

Is the upgraded version of volley fire

Btw guys, any way of making the shotties work?

Was thinking of pulling out the kantrael

[tawny badger]

crit build manstopper lawbringer- oh excuse me, "zarona" shotgun

[serene bough]

Which gun

[wanton dawn]

vrak auto

viag

[serene bough]

Thats a lot of dps

Why not further commit to 20% rending w/ the left MF node

[crisp oak]

Was hoping to be able to use my kantrael sweet beloved

[wanton dawn]

good idea

[zenith widget]

im gonna pretend to be a vet that runs out of ammo and refuses to pick up ammo

because that's waht d5 players do

it's either that or they only use guns and run out of ammo within 2 minutes

and become completely useless

[tawny badger]

it works for kantrael too tbh

manstopper is funny

[crisp oak]

Run it with the shock maul for peak police brutality

[zenith widget]

bolt gun blessings?

[crisp oak]

Puncture cavalcade is what I run

[pastel yew]

shotguns with exec stance are fun

still kinda meh though

[crisp oak]

I dont use exec stance because its just not for me

[pastel yew]

think the shotguns just tend to feel a lot better on zealot since they have throwin knives

[crisp oak]

[pastel yew]

ah I see

skill issue

;p

[crisp oak]

Yup

[pastel yew]

NOOO DONT AGREEE

makes me look like an asshole I was kidding

[crisp oak]

[pastel yew]

though maybe if you did use it

you'd adjust to it

[crisp oak]

I tend to be frontlining a lot with vet, which exec stance does not help out at all for me

[pastel yew]

you do sorta miss the main pro of exec stance by using shotguns with it though, which is that it lets you prevent bad things from happening but the range on the shotguns still isnt THAT great

[crisp oak]

I used the shotties a while ago, but they sorta nerfed them

[pastel yew]

and yeah for sure exec stance is more of a flank tool

pre fury of the faithful nerf they were so fun

because you could dash in and blast a crusher in the face twice

[crisp oak]

I miss infinite cleave kantrael

[pastel yew]

now they're back to being garbage

[crisp oak]

It was so much fun spamming incendiary ammo through walls and recovering infinite ammo with survivalist

[pastel yew]

wait the incendiary ammo used to go through walls????

[fiery raft]

what's a good melee to use with the autogun?

the one we all know and love

besides powersword

[pastel yew]

anything with good armor pen

[fiery raft]

im thinking either combat axe or dueling sword

[pastel yew]

both sound p good yeah

[fiery raft]

is rashad the one?

the combat axe?

the good

[crisp oak]

It also used to light up a whole horde

[sullen jackal]

thing veteran may enjoy knowing: darktide has lag compensation! Enemies are rewound to check hitscan :3

[vapid nacelle]

rashad, dueling sword, combat knife, maybe others I don't remember I only ever use knife and shovel on my vet anymore

[fiery raft]

i kinda wanna level the combat knife and learn how to use it

[crisp oak]

Knife needs some investment

[fiery raft]

how does one use the combat knife?

[crisp oak]

Talent wise

[fiery raft]

which talents?

[vapid nacelle]

you need the 25% finesse node on the bottom right tree

[crisp oak]

Serrated blade

[vapid nacelle]

and the 30% weak spot on the bottom left

[vapid nacelle]

you don't want this unless you're mercy killer

[faint beacon]

It doesn’t need serrated unless you run Mercy

[crisp oak]

Mercy uncanny is the way

[vapid nacelle]

mine is uncanny riposte I think

[faint beacon]

Precog Uncanny
Riposte Uncanny
Precog Riposte

[crisp oak]

Mainly because it differentiates it from the dueling sword

[faint beacon]

Those are like the 3 combos

[crisp oak]

If I wanted to run uncanny precog or uncanny riposte

Why wouldnt I use the dueling sword?

[vapid nacelle]

also ran riposte and the crit on bleed one for a bit which felt fine

[faint beacon]

Why aren’t you using it in general

That’s the mindset

[crisp oak]

Because I wanted to do something different

[faint beacon]

Exactly

[crisp oak]

Hence mercy killer uncanny

[faint beacon]

Knife is just a different playstyle to it

[crisp oak]

Which is different

[vapid nacelle]

I like dueling sword I just like knife more

[fiery raft]

i mean i just wanna learn to use it

[faint beacon]

Lacerate Uncanny

[fiery raft]

combat knife seems interesting

[sullen jackal]

knife i think has like the highest finessee modifier in the game, and a completely not stated anywhere innate 25% backstab modifier

[crisp oak]

I wpuld run that

For the lels

[faint beacon]

I mean it works extremely well cause the bleed ramps off of Uncanny cause of shit tide code

[crisp oak]

Issue is then you arent hitting weakspots

[vapid nacelle]

smackdown haymaker if real

[sullen jackal]

explain shit tide code

[tame lodge]

You light attacks for whatever
Heavies for Elites and whatnot
And push attack hordes if you feel like
Avoid bleed blessings
Get uncanny and always aim for weak spots

[fiery raft]

alright

[crisp oak]

This pretty much

If you take serrated blade then you use mercy killer+uncanny

But it is a point tax

[paper trellis]

What’s a good all rounder melee apart from power sword. Want something a little faster on one of my builds and am having a hard time choosing

[crisp oak]

Mk 7 shovel

[sullen jackal]

dueling sword :v

[tall torrent]

There’s total rending, melee rending and ranged rending

[tame lodge]

Unless it's the mk6
Then you use heavies for hordes if you feel like it

[tall torrent]

Uncanny is total rending

[paper trellis]

Hmm good point, shovel does do good work

[sullen jackal]

mmm that's technically not 'shit' that's more how it works yes

[tame lodge]

And then you learn the horde combo on the mk6 knife

[sullen jackal]

(as in it's how it's designed not anything wrong with the code itself)

[hollow ibex]

shovel's kinda eh

[crisp oak]

Was playing with some noobies (non 30s) did a maelstrom with them and and shovel fucked

(It was the malice one yesterday that was scabs no ammo)

[faint beacon]

L and PA spam is more effective with MK3 if you’re doing horde clear on knives

That and strike down heavies

Again why are you doing horde clear on knives though

[tall torrent]

Yea, it’s not “working unintended”, it’s the intended function being too strong

[regal belfry]

what do you think about chain axes

[hollow ibex]

i'm not a fan of how you have to pick between making them viable normal weapons or good chain weapons

[crisp oak]

The mk4 makes you camera have a siezute

[hollow ibex]

it's a problem with all the chain weapons

[crisp oak]

Nah like with lights

[tame lodge]

Used to be worse

[hollow ibex]

not talking to you

[crisp oak]

Ah

[hollow ibex]

i was talking abotu the point i made

[sullen jackal]

wait are we talking about like... using uncanny to stab someone a bunch and then swapping to a ranged weapon or

oh, right, bleed damage

[crisp oak]

Yeah

[hollow ibex]

but yes, the camera thing can be annoying too

[tall torrent]

Uncanny doesn’t work when weapon is off hand

It’s the fact that it increases ADM for every damage instance currently active

[hollow ibex]

uncanny + bleed

[pastel yew]

yeah but you need like melee talents to support it

[pastel yew]

move speed!

also the dueling sword is silly levels of broken

[crisp oak]

I know

[pastel yew]

most of what makes the combat blade fun is its insane maneuverability

[crisp oak]

My point was if you are using the same set of blessings

Why not use the more broken option instead of the more unique ones

[pastel yew]

does mercy killer really make any playstyle difference

?

[crisp oak]

Not really, just more focus on headies

And not having to deal with the precog timer for your heavies

And requires a point tax in serrated blade

[pastel yew]

I run riposte anyway so

it's basically always no

on*

[crisp oak]

Fair

I would also like more bleed stacking talents

Or blessings that buff bleed damage

[tame lodge]

Blessings that buff bleed

[crisp oak]

Imagine, increases max stacks to 40

[pastel yew]

serrated blade could definitely stand to get a buff

[crisp oak]

Yup

[faint beacon]

Imo a rework

[crisp oak]

Atm it acts basically only as a mercy killer enabler

[pastel yew]

probably a better idea, either that or it needs like a secondary effect

[crisp oak]

Give it a burn stack too

[pastel yew]

kinda like the zealot bleed talent

[faint beacon]

I’d rather it be a certain thing you’d have to do to get bleed cause static bleed on hit is not good nor healthy

It’s shit outside of one build and that build is instantly strong

[crisp oak]

Thing is zealot gets it in a more convenient spot on their tree and more

just imagine how funny it would be with burn stacks

And make it work with onslaught

[sullen jackal]

fun fact: bleed applies on the knife special.

you can bleed people to death with punches.

just fucking pummel a crusher to a bloody pulp with your fist

[fiery raft]

i mean ill send my build if that would help

[crisp oak]

It takes like 30 punches

But yeah have done this

[crisp oak]

But yeah imagine how funny it would be if they just gave vet bleed and burn on melee

[pastel yew]

think the main things that are good are the melee damage boosts

you need that 10% and the 5%

after that attack speed buffs are really good since it already reaches one shot break points

[sullen jackal]

give psyker warpburn on smite cowards

[crisp oak]

I like this

Bleed, but bleed spreads on kill

[sullen jackal]

also make the heavy attack electrocute talent work on all melee attacks

[crisp oak]

Actually sold

Veteran is saved

[pastel yew]

denied

nerf smite

put smite in a hole

kicksmite

throw smite off a cliff

remove smite from your will

[sullen jackal]

you can do those buffs after nerfing smite

[fiery raft]

this is what ive got now

[gilded wraith]

What's the best horde clear melee veteran weapon that doesn't require Trench Fighter to feel playable?

[pastel yew]

if you're using the rashad I'd honestly drop the weapon specialist node "on your toes" and demolition team to get the +10% melee in the top right

there are some breakpoints that rely on that 10%

[pastel yew]

rashad's fine without

if you're only caring about horde clear I imagine the heavy sword is fun

[fiery raft]

nah im doing combat knife

[tall torrent]

Power sword

[gilded wraith]

I was afraid you'd say that. Ah well, I can still use my ranged to move around at a decent pace.

I think I'll try the mk3 and see if I can macro a decent heavy attack string to save my wrist... Sunder intrigues me.

[pastel yew]

mk3 is fun

but no funny push combo is a dealbreaker

[vale wraith]

Basic Shovel works

[gilded wraith]

Yeah, I was also thinking about that with grendades and uncanny.

[vale wraith]

Uncanny + Decimator is a pretty good all rounder

Especially on ranged builds

It’s absolutely not the best but it’s not weak in any category really

[pastel yew]

horde clear sorta has that issue of feeling like you're mostly pushing enemies around

it feels extremely safe

but it's not fast

[paper trellis]

Uncanny should buff shredder bleeds the same way it does with psyker fire shouldn’t it?

[pastel yew]

pretty sure it does

[vale wraith]

Once you get Deci stacks it actually has good damage

And grenades thin the hordes out.

[pastel yew]

whats the condition for decimator

is that the consecutive hits

[vale wraith]

Just don’t miss your swings

And it’s like 50% more power

Or 40%

I don’t remember the value

[pastel yew]

up to 50% ye

5% per stack, up to 10

looking at the gameslantern page

slow going but it'll get there eventually

[gleaming turtle]

Easiest way to do this? Build and weapon suggestions would be appreciated.

[vale wraith]

Yeah, it can be inconsistent at rager killing cause of that but you should really be using exec stance for that if you’re running ranged anyway

[pastel yew]

recon lasgun

[fiery raft]

what are differences between combat knife marks?

[pastel yew]

one has better horde clear but relies more heavily on push attacks for single targets

and the other one is basically all stabs

[vale wraith]

Mk3 is more pokey and a lot of strike downs, mk6 does more sweeps

[pastel yew]

I think the general consensus is that the mk6 is better

but imo the mk3 feels so much nicer

try both in the psykanium and get a feel for what you enjoy

ngl the horde clear is rough but its something you can mostly ignore/get by

[vale wraith]

MK3 is better for shroudfield and infiltrate builds iirc

[paper trellis]

I should build up my second knife so I can have one with uncanny strike

[vale wraith]

Since you get a lot more reward off of exiting stealth

[pastel yew]

isnt it only a few thousand dockets to change a blessing?

I feel like you're gonna spend waaaaaaaaaayy more resources getting a second knife

[paper trellis]

It is, but I already have a grenadier build I use my bleed crit knife on

[vale wraith]

Just change the blessings out between missions

[paper trellis]

Already have the knife, just need to lvl it

[pastel yew]

I see I see

[paper trellis]

I will forget

[pastel yew]

still gonna work out more expensive but ye

[vale wraith]

Fair enough

[pastel yew]

its convenient

[pseudo fiber]

Melee weapon

[vale wraith]

Vraks Autogun worked really well for me.

[paper trellis]

That and I think being able to use another knife as the other mark is neat

[gleaming turtle]

I shall crouch walk through every mission then.

[pastel yew]

yeah I've tried a little of the mk6 but

I really dont like its moveset

[paper trellis]

Vraks auto or recon 6 is probably ideal

God I hated crabwalking so much

[pastel yew]

you dont have to crab walk lmao

[vale wraith]

I like the horde clear of heavy attack guard cancel

[paper trellis]

It speeds up the acquisition a lot

[pastel yew]

stacks remain for 6s now

[gleaming turtle]

Do I take any of the extra nodes?

Or just nah?

[paper trellis]

Since it only registers kills at 10 stacks, so those first three headshot kills on every group don’t count, and that’s assuming perfect aim

[vale wraith]

I play Marksman Focus quite frequently and Crab Walking is the worst way to play it, especially since they buffed it.

[pastel yew]

the one that lets you get more stacks is good

[paper trellis]

Tunnel vision is at least passable

[pastel yew]

but the rest are pretty shit

[vale wraith]

Toughness replenishment + 15 stack nodes

[potent canyon]

Idea for a new vet weapon

[pastel yew]

isnt tunnel vission useless outside of the stamina?

since its replenishment not direct toughness

[agile mango]

what is the dump stat for dueling sword?

[gleaming turtle]

Is it only replenishment gain on kill or what? Because if I am at 15 stacks and I can't go above that, do I just not gain tough?

[crisp oak]

Mobility

[pastel yew]

cleave probably

[gleaming turtle]

Mobility is the dump on DS

[paper trellis]

The toughness regen is horribly explained, but at max stacks it’s basically another 5 toughness every time you restore toughness. And yes it works nothing like the zealot perk with the same description

[gleaming turtle]

You get so much from 60% that it doesn't matter.

[pastel yew]

what you cleaving with the dueling sword tho lmao

might as well keep the move speed

[agile mango]

thx

[pastel yew]

wtf

[agile mango]

also, what's the dump stat on plasma?

[pastel yew]

I assumed it worked like the curio modifier

[vale wraith]

It buffs any toughness replenishment source, so confirmed kill, exhilarating takedown and out for blood are buffed. Might just accidentally be spreading misinformation tho so don’t take my word on it.

[crisp oak]

All 60-80 does is help sprint efficiency marginally I think

[gleaming turtle]

Doesn't have one

[pastel yew]

the toughness replenishment rate mod on the curio or whatever its called

[paper trellis]

You’d think so wouldn’t you. Like I said the description is legitimately brain damaged

[pastel yew]

I cant imagine 60-80 cleave makes a lick of difference for the dueling sword though

its cleave is dogshit

[paper trellis]

And the zealot perk that has the exact same description does work like the curio perk

[pastel yew]

imagine if things were written at all correctly

but if it is genuinely just + toughness whenever you gain some from any source

then yeah that sounds fine

I just wrote it off as I assumed it worked like the curio which is to say, does nothing

[paper trellis]

Its only really practical off of the right side node up top where you get 5 toughness on every kill

But it can help

[vale wraith]

Confirmed kill works good with it

[pastel yew]

I did not realise this applied to ranged attacks

ngl

[vale wraith]

But confirmed kill is confirmed kill so yeah

[paper trellis]

Again, terrible node descriptions lmao. That’s what I thought for a while too till I heard otherwise and tested it

[pastel yew]

tbf it does just say your kills rather than your melee kills but

[paper trellis]

I like that one more so because it makes it a lot easier to shore up chip damage and keep above the 75% threshold

[pastel yew]

I think my head automatically linked it to melee as you dont regen toughness on ranged kills base

it working with ranged attacks does make it significantly better

even if its still kinda meh

[paper trellis]

That and it gives a big chunk off of grenades

[vale wraith]

Makes plasma gun even better as well lmao, just blast once into a horde and you get like 70 toughness back

[pastel yew]

good thing the only build I use with this talent uses smoke grenades

;-;

[pastel yew]

thats the same with the other one though uhh

exhilarating take down

and that gives +toughness damage resist

[vale wraith]

Yeah, but exhilarating takedown requires weak spot hits and just blasting into a horde for quick toughness regen is more efficient.

[pastel yew]

poxxies got heads too ;p

all on a level

man shooting the horde with the plasma gun feels so satisfying

especially if they're all rounding a corner so clumped in a perfect line

[vale wraith]

I just like blasting with plasma gun, can’t be bothered being precise lol

[pastel yew]

plasma gun requires you to be precise though anyway

[vale wraith]

Not really

[pastel yew]

I mean it makes the difference between killing in two shots, and killing in one shot

which is huge ammo save

[paper trellis]

I haven’t fiddled with takedown in a while, might be worth tinkering with

[pastel yew]

I mean like it's almost as good as both confirmed kill AND close order drill in one

but the node above it does nothing

[vale wraith]

Yeah, my way of playing is so unoptimal it’s criminal lol. I use mark target to make up for that

[pastel yew]

and the node below it is 5% health.. so

boowomp

[pastel yew]

I mean... as long as it works ;-;

but I would hate to play a game with your spam pinging ass 🫵

[vale wraith]

What?

[pastel yew]

I can't stand focus target spam ping

[vale wraith]

Ah lmao

[pastel yew]

have you ever played a game with someone with ping bound to their fire key?

[vale wraith]

I don’t use it that often, weapon specialist on TOP

[paper trellis]

I mean, plasma is kind of a hipfire sniper

[pastel yew]

this was unironically given as advice by some darktide tubers at one point

[vale wraith]

Thankfully not

[pastel yew]

it's so fucking annoying

and yeah plasma is definitely sniper territory

its a shame the default crosshair is dogshit

[paper trellis]

That would just nerf ft because it would reset applied stacks

[pastel yew]

doesnt matter if all you need is those 2 stacks to reach breakpoints

which is what you need for the plasma gun

[paper trellis]

There’s a crosshair mod isn’t there?

[pastel yew]

yeah which I have

fortunately I think you can change the crosshair in game now

[paper trellis]

Yeah but settings with apply for any gun you use lol

[pastel yew]

as just a vanilla option

[vale wraith]

Just set it to another crosshair

It’s in game now

[paper trellis]

Really? Huh I’ll have to look for that

[pastel yew]

can always change the binds if you arent using it though I guess

I think typically spam pinging is the optimal anyway

because of the weird way stacks work

[paper trellis]

Kind of? You only want to ping each enemy once

[pastel yew]

like if you ping and kill someone you get 2 stacks rather than building up from the ground

[gleaming turtle]

There is a mod you can use.

[paper trellis]

To maintain your damage and toughness aura

[vale wraith]

There’s no point never not to ping, since you and everyone else get the constant toughness on kill

[pastel yew]

I mean it'd only ping on the initial press

so I guess if you were using a semi automatic weapon that needs multiple clicks yea

but anything else you'd just hold lmb for one ping

[paper trellis]

Yeah I use it. Surprisingly useful for sighting out specials in a crowd or getting sights on a sniper being a douche

God I am bored at work. Want to go home and play vidya

[tall torrent]

Server might be on crack today

[pastel yew]

getting a load of errors also?

[tall torrent]

Not errors

[paper trellis]

That and stressed out because my boss got fired and shit in all likelihood going to go topsy turvy

[tall torrent]

Just really bad connection

[pastel yew]

weird

my connections been fine but I know lots of people are having disconnects

[paper trellis]

It’s been like that on and off the last few days. Been fucking with my hit reg pretty badly

[pastel yew]

darktides servers have always been varying flavours of shit though

[vale wraith]

Darktide is nigh unplayable on Xbox rn

[paper trellis]

And I have hardly been able to get through a match without someone getting kicked and reconnecting

[pastel yew]

havent the servers always been a huge issue for xbox?

[vale wraith]

The servers just boot your ass out every mission

[pastel yew]

I wonder how the playstation players are holding up

[vale wraith]

Before unlocked and loaded they were completely fine in my experience

Now they’re complete ASS

Disconnected 4 times in one havoc mission, and it caused a down each time

[vale wraith]

Fine apparently

[paper trellis]

Because dramatically more ppl play

[vale wraith]

It’s still annoying as hell, the emperors punishment for people who gut suckered into a monthly subscription for online gaming ig

[pastel yew]

console companies are scummy as hell