veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

Eh it's ok

Lmk if you guys wanna havoc tho

[pastel pumice]

Yeah I'd love to play Havoc with you

[austere pine]

do people just not want me in havoc or do they not want veterans?

[bitter turtle]

Wat happen

[austere pine]

i keep requesting to join and getting ignored/declined

no clue which it is cuz it never tells me

[bitter turtle]

What rank are you and what rank are you joining

[austere pine]

rank 11 but i tried getting into a couple 20s and couldn't

[bitter turtle]

Thats cus

You're lower than 16

Which is the starting point for auric mael clear

So ppl have no faith in you

Probably

[austere pine]

i fucking hate this

[bitter turtle]

Just go clear an auric mael

It hink it should push you up to 16

[austere pine]

literally maxed out shit 😭

wish me luck in not getting first timers in aurics trying out maels, like i usually get

[bitter turtle]

Just carry them!

[austere pine]

can't carry sacks of rocks

i'm not sisyphus

need to get a build that isn't survivor because we're running two of them rn

[bitter turtle]

I can give you my build if u want it

It's what I use in havoc40

[bitter turtle]

Ir doesn't matter too much

You can always just path through fire team instead if you care about optimizing that

Samr point cost

I assume ur going voc

[austere pine]

yeah i'm using the build you suggested i use yesterday (?)

just saw a guy duck under a mutant's charge

aaaaand i got pushed by as plogryn

[paper trellis]

took me over a hundred pulls only for it to pop up in the shop

[austere pine]

turns out i'm the sack of potatoes

[unreal nova]

Seems about right.

That always happens the day after I get impatient for a weapon.

[paper trellis]

only weapon i'm missing a god roll on is infantry las funny enough

i always get them in the shop, and it's always a shit roll

[unreal nova]

Heh.

For me, Dear game, why do I always get a god roll CAxe on my Psyker?

EVEN dealing with it's shit on Vet/Zealot is better.

I just hate the, lights for special/elites, heavy for hordes thing.

[paper trellis]

i actually just got a second god roll caxe to be set up as a different mk

[orchid hemlock]

CAXE is gaining popularity again because of Havocs

[paper trellis]

got the caxe on my vet, got a perfect roll relic blade this morning which made me very happy

[orchid hemlock]

They are good against crushers and maniacs

[paper trellis]

you guys are running rashad right?

aka the spicy bonk stick

[orchid hemlock]

No I mean chain axe

Yes Rashad is the OBJECTIVELY best weapon on Vet

[orchid hemlock]

Chain axe is not bad, the biggest problem with it is it's heavy

[lucid rover]

6686743509

[unreal nova]

But not on the Psyker.

Oh wait. I mean ChainAxe.

[orchid hemlock]

It's OK on Psyker too

[unreal nova]

Why the, heavy is horde, Light is for elite/specials.

[orchid hemlock]

Depends on the mark

[unreal nova]

But you can legit use DS4 without being shamed there... Or funny force weapons.

[orchid hemlock]

But the strength of it is it has good blessings and ripps apart carapace

[unreal nova]

That, I know.

I just hate it cos well, heavy for hordes get to me.

[orchid hemlock]

Hordes is decent

I would even argue better than the DS

Especially since the blessings on it help

The reason why it doesn't get buffed anymore is because if it where any stronger, Zealots would rip and tear

Zealot's with all of their attack speed buffs would turn it into a monster

They already are happy with Evis and CS, their only weakness is having to Rev up for Carapace

[bitter turtle]

There is pretty much no weapon i think is worse at horde than ds4

At least on vet

[paper trellis]

i mean the point of the dueling sword is to quickly and efficiently kill specials

it doesn't care about horde

[west bronze]

How do i do the long bomb penance?

[paper trellis]

throw very far at a horde that hasn't been engaged

[austere pine]

high-end havocs, here i come

does bomber resistance apply to their grenades or only their little push attacks?

[orchid hemlock]

DS is strong because it deals with all enemies safely since it has the second best mobility in the game and better reach than the knife

[bleak cradle]

Special attack is nice

[unreal nova]

Quick poke, rager staggered.

[west bronze]

Damn

[paper trellis]

but have you considered that the knoife really makes you feel like you're british

[orchid hemlock]

Nah that's the Ogryn cleavers

[paper trellis]

my immersion requires the knoife, and I have no loicense

[orchid hemlock]

I need to make a Birmingham Ogryn build

Cleaver focused shanking build

The problem with the cleavers is that most of their blessings are cheeks 😔

[paper trellis]

i mean, that's just part and parcel of being british

[bitter turtle]

i believe its been fixed to work on the bombs

dont quote me though

havent tested it

just remember reading that

[orchid hemlock]

Done https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dc5c5f2-3b14-42c5-8542-1ffbe85eb6c4/birmingham-simulator?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[pastel pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/smooth-brain-gif-13983164398694002589

My brain throughout those 3 missions

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[pastel pumice]

kept shutting my brain off and splitting off but we up

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1319757364613611621/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2024.12.20_-_15.00.03.64.png?ex=67671f53&is=6765cdd3&hm=5d3a4838a72a91cd3d6c7e77d248eed64f813edbab24c7a1639e8206b688f3e1&

1.1k crits with Rashad

[pastel pumice]

My goat

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[pastel pumice]

Last game was much better on my behalf

[tall torrent]

I hate Boltpistol recoil so much

[bitter turtle]

thats why

hipfire

no recoil iss ues

[tall torrent]

Still has recoil

[bitter turtle]

its manageable enough that i dont really have issues

at least with run n gun

even making multiple shots at long range

[pastel pumice]

I should swap back to bpistol or bgun

[tall torrent]

Puncture is still better

If this gun had 5~8% more base damage run&gun would be better

[bitter turtle]

idk i think outsid eof havoc

run n gun is better

ive tried all variations of blessing combos

for auric, the run n gun + lethal just clicked the best

wikthout needing to wait for dots to kill stuff

[tall torrent]

Run&gun is just coping with sprint breakpoint

[pastel pumice]

I never rely on dots to kill anything

[bitter turtle]

honestly

[tall torrent]

Otherwise u need smth like focus target

[bitter turtle]

i would run it

even if it gave 0 dmg

the bp help is just a nice bonus

the main thing that pushes you over bps the way i play it is agile

[tall torrent]

Frag + agile engagement is some cursed pathing

[bitter turtle]

thats why i dont frag in auric

for the build

:^)

[tall torrent]

Then revolver is sorta just a better gun

And the thing with run&gun is

[bitter turtle]

i dont agree

but eh

[tall torrent]

It still doesn’t make hipfire good

[bitter turtle]

yea it does

its really accurate

[tall torrent]

It’s much better accuracy

But it’s still super slow firerate

[bitter turtle]

dont really need high firerate

it one taps

[tall torrent]

Then u might as well run&gun + puncture

Lethal is not worth if u don’t frag

Or better yet just run revolver

[civic epoch]

https://www.twitch.tv/gankalf42o vet class with spce to it

spice

[bitter turtle]

no because i dont need puncture

[tall torrent]

Skirmisher copium be like

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[pastel pumice]

Dumpstat for bpistol

Mob?

[tall torrent]

Collateral

[pastel pumice]

Oh yeahh

Got the one then

Checking my inventory before heading to work

Casually buying different guns each time I pass by Brunt every now and then paid off

[umbral scaffold]

can't seem to find the scab gunner hear me roar voiceline on yt

[tall torrent]

Max collateral still doesn’t give u rager combo break so no point investing in collateral at all

And it takes like 5 shots to open bulwark on a gun with 8 shots

[bitter turtle]

revo hipfire is shittier in terms of accuracy

also revo can't stagger a group of gunners out of shooting with 1 shot

[tall torrent]

Revolver actually can afford to use run&gun and not worry abt breakpoint at all

[bitter turtle]

idk

i honestly

have0 problems with consistency

[tall torrent]

Point blank + run&gun

[bitter turtle]

like

idk if you actually tried it

but there is so many ways to meet the bp

[tall torrent]

I tried it many times lol

[bitter turtle]

maybe im just that good :^)

jk

[tall torrent]

End result is puncture is best, run&gun 2nd best, but lethal prox + frag is the whole reason the gun is worth running in the first place so run&gun has to sit it out

Rather unfortunate

[bitter turtle]

i think puncture is worse in auric still

but yea

[tall torrent]

If it had quite literally 5~8% more damage this gun would be so so so much better

[bitter turtle]

also i see value in the gun outside of shredder frag meme

if u used

revolver

in the build i run

it would be a worse build imo

[tall torrent]

The thing is unlike plasma which can eventually hit breakpoints (even without FT/fire team) as long as u have enough heat for rising heat to build stacks

Boltpistol is like, if u don’t hit it, u just don’t hit it

[bitter turtle]

yeah

but

you do hit it with my build :^)

[tall torrent]

By coping with skirmisher yea

[bitter turtle]

ii legitimately

dont think its cope

but idk

u have infinite stamina on this build

[tall torrent]

I think I would legitimately rather use competitive urge over skirmisher

[bitter turtle]

comp urge will never be consistent

[visual kestrel]

whats the meta build for vet atm for havoc 40

[bitter turtle]

there are a few

i can give my buil dif u want

[visual kestrel]

yeah sure let me see what you cooking

[tall torrent]

It does a few things better than revolver but those few things don’t matter that much in auric

[bitter turtle]

on the contrary

[tall torrent]

In comparison to a gun that can draw to fire in 0.2s and bodyshot 1 tap ragers

[bitter turtle]

i think the things revolver does better actually dont matter that much

mobility is best in auric imo

[bitter turtle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dc48498-40ed-45cb-adb4-730104868e3e/havoc40-recon-ds4-infil

#veteran-class message

my results :^)

[visual kestrel]

ohhh nice nade spam build

ill give this a few test runs to see

[tropic notch]

I still seeeth that vets stam regen delay isn’t baked into his kit

[coral gale]

is the helbore still good?

[tropic notch]

Psyker has a faster regen

[atomic wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress-spam-dustbowl-spawn-gif-20281790

[atomic wyvern]

Live scab pov

[tropic notch]

Yeah it’s alright

You can get inf ammo with it

[atomic wyvern]

Bayonet still seems to atomize anything it touches

so yeh

[coral gale]

nice

i used to main helbore

[tall torrent]

That was like, almost a year ago lol

[coral gale]

but when i tried it after update seemed poop 😦

[crisp oak]

I mean in malice it still does

[tall torrent]

Bayonet stab has 3 cleave and horrendously bad cleave damage distribution

[crisp oak]

It works against less ohnoxious rager packs, and everything else

[atomic wyvern]

same

why tf did they nerf it anyway

[coral gale]

so they did nerf it

[tall torrent]

It used to be the best melee in the game

[coral gale]

i thought so cuz it seemed like i was shooting dildos instead of death

[atomic wyvern]

thats the point of bayonet charges lmao

[atomic wyvern]

I mean that probably does more

[tall torrent]

Well

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1180559267460296754/Untitled_video.mov?ex=675c6cff&is=675b1b7f&hm=56ab4dd0fa1292349013456f0e29ef1006c87c47233677002adac08302e7c6ff&

[atomic wyvern]

moral damage than normal bullets

[tall torrent]

Watch this

[atomic wyvern]

I see no problem here?

[coral gale]

wtf

[atomic wyvern]

A krieger using his bayonet as intended

[coral gale]

link build

[atomic wyvern]

this mf 😭

[tall torrent]

This is why it got nerfed lol

[coral gale]

its because of you

[tall torrent]

It used to be bugged

They just patched the bugs

[hearty panther]

ran helbore on a 34 last night and did fine, only had to bust out the shovel a handful of times, not including bursters that needed pushing

[atomic wyvern]

hey vet

what mod do you use to show healthbars

[tall torrent]

I don’t use healthbar mod

[coral gale]

healthbars mod

[atomic wyvern]

oh

recon i get it?

[crisp oak]

I want those bugs back

Mainly because it was funny

[coral gale]

so whaty ur saying is helbore is poop now

[tall torrent]

The bug was limbsplitter & brutal momentum would incorrectly apply to melee attacks made with ranged weapon

Since ranged weapon’s melee attack is not the same thing as melee weapon’s attacks

It would not consume limbsplitter

Meaning u got a permanent +60% strength buff to bayonet stab

[hearty panther]

still procs agile engagement though which is plenty

[tall torrent]

And brutal momentum meant it could apply same first target damage on up to 4 enemies

Which solved its horrible cleave distribution problem

End result was a melee weapon that would make custodians jealous, probably

[crisp oak]

Bring it back, but let it consume limbsplitter

[tall torrent]

Limbsplitter is horrible anyway

It’s only used for this 1 specific scenario

[crisp oak]

I know

Ie let it keep momentum

To fix the cleave

[tall torrent]

Nah

Base cleave damage distribution should just be better

That’s the problem with BM

[tall torrent]

No, it’s fine

[hearty panther]

bm needs to die

[crisp oak]

True this would also be a good fix

Ngl I moatly just use the bayonet for staggering ragers and killing dogs

[tall torrent]

It’s good enough for its purpose

Stab rager
Stab mutant (2 hit)
Stab flamer (1 hit)
Stab hound (1 hit)

[tall torrent]

u could use it
I can send u my mod list

[atomic wyvern]

go on then

[coral gale]

bro the bayonet is still noice!

[sullen jackal]

tbh i fiddled with helbore and

helbore is like just straight up bad for a ranged weapon

...except for the bayonet.

the bayonet is unique.

[tall torrent]

it's a breakpoint gun

[atomic wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/zip-bomb-thanos-thanos-explain-zip-bomb-thanos-gif-351819195776728650

[sullen jackal]

discord would possibly not allow a zipbomb to be uploaded as it couldn't be checked by automatic scanners(or would be identified as a zipbomb)

[crisp oak]

I don't think discord does any tests on that

I'd test it out but I do not have a discord account, or a zip bomb on hand

[oak gorge]

I’m don’t have such a thing but I do have a gif of a cute cat

[terse idol]

Its incredibly ammo efficient suffice it to say

[oak gorge]

Ammo efficient because I never fire it and just use the bayonet

[dusky galleon]

Marksman is worth it when mag dumping with the bolter + pinning fire on a boss?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[silver yoke]

What is a better talent choice.
Stamina Regen Delay
or
Invigorated

[paper trellis]

do any damage nodes effect bleed damage?

[crisp oak]

Rending strike affects dots

[paper trellis]

or is bleed set?

[crisp oak]

Same with superiority complex I think

[sullen jackal]

stamina regen delay probs, especially if you already have the other one

off memory 1 brings it down to 0.75s, two brings it down to 0.5s

0.5s puts you in a very special zone only psyker is in, where you can push attack nonstop without hesitation, which is a magical land that breaks many, many weapons especially the combat knife

also you can sprint forever by sprintslide chaining

[tall torrent]

Usually neither are required unless u play knife

The delay reduction is generally better though

[tall torrent]

Anything that affects total damage also affects bleed
Melee & ranged damage don’t

[sullen jackal]

but get precision strikes first if you don't have it always :p then honestly born leader because it's just so good

[tall torrent]

It’s usually too costly to go into without giving up major damage talents

[sullen jackal]

this is also true and you could just play psyker instead :p

tbh veteran just has so many good talents at the VERY VERY END :x

[balmy flume]

Thematically suitable though.
Gotta fight long enough to learn the good stuff.

[silver yoke]

So pick the delay reduction if i had to pick one of them. alright

[tall torrent]

yes
but most weapons don't need it

only knife gets very real benefits due to its PA spam

[silver yoke]

Are Exploit Weakness and Skirmisher ever worth taking?

[tall torrent]

exploit weakness is not worth in most situations because most enemies don't survive by the time u land 2 crits on them, or the weapon's dmg is so bad that the brittleness doesn't help enough

skirmisher is just bad tho lol

[silver yoke]

Duck and Dive?

[tall torrent]

can be nice for some builds (usually deadshot)

but deadshot is usually not worth therefore duck & dive is also usually not necessary

[dusky galleon]

toughness regen speed does something for high lvl havoc? how does the no grace period works?

[tall torrent]

toughness regen rate is not worth

havoc has innately up to -50% toughness regen rate modifier

and it turns off if you're being targeted by enemies' melee attacks

in havoc most of your toughness gains come from abilities and kills

veteran is extremely dependent on killing things to gain toughness back

[dusky galleon]

damn, and tunnel vision stack good with confirmed kill or catch a break?

[tall torrent]

tunnel vision is ok yea

although personally I'd say O4B is the better toughness gain talent for veteran

[dusky galleon]

04b?

[tall torrent]

out for blood (top right)

one motion
out for blood
5% move speed

probably the best starting path for veteran in havoc

[calm shard]

felt like making a new veteran seeing the cosmetic on rotation atm

[tawny timber]

it goes hard tbh

i havent bought aquilas yet and im trying to resist it

[oak gorge]

Just wish it didn’t have the grenades 💔

[tawny timber]

seriuously they detract so much

[scenic ivy]

The masculine urge for hotshot lasgun

[oak gorge]

The masculine urge for hot oiled up ogryns

[balmy flume]

Might be tempted to grab the pants if the rotation is still available after my trip.

[balmy flume]

I actually wished it didn’t have candles…that’s more a Zealot thing.

[oak gorge]

Veteran is just cosplaying as a zealot

[paper trellis]

which heavy sword would you guys recommend?

[paper trellis]

vet has more good outfits

[oak gorge]

Veteran with commissar outfit

[orchid hemlock]

Femboy vet when?

[oak gorge]

Veteran with catears

No Ogryn with cat ears

Perfect

[oak gorge]

Only the ogryn can be the belle of the ball

No glass slippers for anyone else

[swift river]

Finally, classic red Bolter

Still not sure I like it over Bolt Pistol though

[hollow ibex]

bolter's a beast

[gilded wraith]

Is it worth dropping a point into close order drill?

[ocean otter]

L class

[tall torrent]

If u feel like it sure

[gilded wraith]

Any curio recommendations for havoc?

corruption resist, stamina regen, gunner for the perks 2 health, 1 toughness look viable?

[tall torrent]

2x 17% toughness
3x 5% toughness
3x 4% cooldown reduction

Last curio up to u, I run +21% health
Remaining 3 curio slots up to u, I run 3x 15% sprint efficiency

[burnt vortex]

I played a game where a vet was just dumping lasers and melting everything. Is this a meme build or legit? And how do I get one

[vale wraith]

He was probably running a recon las gun build with shock trooper

Tanner Lindberg made a very good recon build for Vet a bit ago, I recommend you check that out if you want a good one

[hollow ibex]

tanner is a clown

he just doesn't know it

[vale wraith]

Like the guy or hate him, he knows the game pretty well and demonstrates lesser known mechanics pretty well.

[hollow ibex]

nah and nah

[vale wraith]

Gotten a lot less toxic as of late as well

[hollow ibex]

the problem is that he's right sometimes

[vale wraith]

Idk man, I just like his build breakdowns.

[hollow ibex]

so people think he's right all the time

when he definitely isn't

[tall torrent]

He doesn’t understand how most things work and gives at best partially correct explanations

[radiant chasm]

he's mechanically good at the game and speaks confidently

and repetitively

[hollow ibex]

yeah he's very good at convincing people he's good at the game

[radiant chasm]

he still is wrong in a lot of things and has a massive ego

[hollow ibex]

and a racist

[vale wraith]

Still feel his builds are pretty good if you don’t know what to run

[radiant chasm]

yea

[vale wraith]

Really?

[radiant chasm]

a lot of people don't like hearing that cause they immediately play defense for him "why are you attacking his character" cause he is a terrible character who shouldn't be supported xd

[hollow ibex]

some of them are ok

[radiant chasm]

they tend to be good enough, if that

[hearty panther]

i mean, you cant actually be racist against redditors

[terse idol]

🤢

[vale wraith]

Okay, mb, didn’t know about that shit.

[tall torrent]

Difference is, when you do know more than him, he’s kind of just a yapper lol

[hollow ibex]

yappers can be cute

[tall torrent]

A really stubborn, egoistic and narcissistic yapper

[hollow ibex]

ok

yeah that's important to clarify

[hearty panther]

i dont really care that he gets information wrong

[west bronze]

I was 2 taping enemies with the shovel and now it takes 3 lights with the power sword to kill things?

[hearty panther]

like, have you fucken been on the internet?

[radiant chasm]

god i wish he would hover over things more steadily

[hollow ibex]

idc either, until people come here spouting shit they learned from tanner

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[radiant chasm]

okay first thing

you don't need crit chance perk with headhunter

[tall torrent]

(You don’t need headhunter on this gun, period)

[vale wraith]

I’ve opened the flood gates with this lmao

[radiant chasm]

also true

[hearty panther]

his attitude and presentation were just outright toxic, and that sucks to listen to. then he had his 'REDEMPTION ARC' which was him putting together a modicum of editing and then demanding to be reintroduced to the communities that banned him but being denied. to which he immediately went back to acting shitty but just not explicitly in his videos

[radiant chasm]

best way to learn is to just brute force it

no notes on this

it's fine

[hearty panther]

it reminds me of many alcoholics i met in AA

wondering why people didnt immediately reaccept them into their lives after a stunning 24hrs of sobriety

[radiant chasm]

someone might argue about perks or cleave damage dump stat but it's a good sword

[serene bough]

The word alcoholic makes the beer im drinking taste less refreshing now

[hearty panther]

it should make it tastier when you think about it

[serene bough]

Hmm

Ignorance is strength, ill drink another

🍻

[vale wraith]

True, I learnt the game without all the meta guides and shit.

[radiant chasm]

why is he doing recon mutant ttk

lol what

he has dueling sword

i just stop at the moment in the video and i'm just, star struck

[hearty panther]

what'll it be today

[vale wraith]

Waiter, more slop please

[tall torrent]

A lot of things aren’t explained in game or covered in these so-called “meta guides”

[radiant chasm]

i can't find a frame of his 3rd curio

[west bronze]

How do you get sainted stuff?

[hearty panther]

its a mod for copers

[radiant chasm]

oh he mad

[hearty panther]

bare in mind that the entire reason he even underwent his rebranding attempt was because fatshark stonewalled the shit out of him when it came to early access/community streamer/etc. positions

[serene bough]

Go for the toxie

[hearty panther]

which shouldnt really surprise anybody with a brain

[serene bough]

Never heard of peanutbutter on a burger before

[hearty panther]

really? you are super missing out

[radiant chasm]

it's interesting

[serene bough]

Is this an actual thing

Not a gimick

?

[hearty panther]

very real

[radiant chasm]

really, if you ever had peanut noodles/peanut sauce

no it's a real flavor combination

[hearty panther]

its just another form of fat/oil

strong flavour

[serene bough]

Mmm

It does sound pretty tasty

[hearty panther]

fried egg and peanut butter are like

my two favourite burger toppings in a good restaurant

not together tho

doesnt really work together lmao

[pseudo fiber]

mk4 chain axr

ugh

I'm getting gibberh in my chat

[midnight totem]

whew, did my 2nd 40

[queen fox]

excuse, my dear waitress, but might I perchance take a gander at your hot sauce menu?
...yes, "hot sauce menu." That is what I inquired about.
You... don't... have one? Well, while that is truly disappointing for an establishment as esteemed as this, thankfully I always carry a choice selection of my rather vast collection with me at all times.
loud SCRRRTCCHHing of velcro as a fanny pack is opened
Hmmm yes, let's see... Perhaps some "Napalm Diarrhea" for this meal? No, I think the garlicy twinge of "Captain McGoober's Ass-Ripping Lava Farter Sauce" would pair quite well with my entree. Or is it finally the day that "5 Alarm Anus Melting Hot Sauce" will make it's debut...?
Ah, the dilemmas of a connoisseur! Be that as it may; what are your IPA offerings, my sweet?

[bitter turtle]

Wut

Are we getting red weapons or is this just the stat bar mod

[bitter turtle]

Mine is better

It has a funny picture on it

[hollow ibex]

it's just a cosmetic mod

[bitter turtle]

How disappointing

[radiant chasm]

it's just a mod

i'm just posting the screenshots from the video

so poeple can just look at it instead of sitting through a tanner video

[bitter turtle]

Headhunter instead of infernus on the recon is a terrible idea

[hearty panther]

headhunter is bad period really

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

Dumdum infernus is pretty much the only option

But at least I could see HH Infernus even if it's worse

Dropping infernus against hardened is such a huge waste of ammo

As it is you can pop them to half health and let them burn to death usually

[paper trellis]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_nBjD7nSfGo?si=x03sZt3jtUumqt4v
Irl plasma gun

[waxen monolith]

When do you guys generally charge a shot for the plasma, if ever?

[tall torrent]

Not worth in 95%+ situations

[waxen monolith]

What about for bosses?

[bitter turtle]

Charging is lower dps and worse ammo efficiency

Just dont charge it

[burnt vortex]

Thanks for that. Is the tree at least good? Since apparently the recon gun had a bad blessing.

[tall torrent]

Not worth

[hearty panther]

when three+ maulers happen to perfectly line up

[tall torrent]

Left click is 50 cleave, still enough

You need like 6 maulers to line up for charged shot to do more

[hearty panther]

yea

so basically never

[terse idol]

Are the natural crit chain good enough for the recon?

What else do you run?

I thought you chose headhunter and infernus to help enable infernus in the first place

[tall torrent]

Yea

[terse idol]

Huh

[tall torrent]

Dum dum + infernus
Use 5% crit chance perk + talent

[terse idol]

[hearty panther]

you already have so much in your tree

there's no real way (at least, that im aware of) to distinct a 'regular crit' from a 'headhunter crit' but regardless, headhunter is rarely providing the sharp boost people expect on automatics

it'll consume itself on any crit whatsoever, and you proc two in a row so the follow-up shot nets zero bonus

so when it comes to a choice between infernus/deathspitter/dumdum or headhunter, so far as im concerned its not really a choice at all lol

[terse idol]

Thanks!

[radiant chasm]

i do not know how it works on automatics

but on burst fires

say, vigilant 3 round burst. they will crit in the chain of all 3 shots. But, shots 2 and 3 will count up headhunter as if they weren't crits

[hearty panther]

that i was not aware

burst always did have its own rules granted

[radiant chasm]

but on recons specifically have a low finesse value, even if the crit chains meant the followup shots being counted as noncrits for the purposes of blessings, the only value is ammo with shocktroop and ease of infernus procs, which isn't really needed with dum dum buffing the burn damage and other sources of crit chance that are easy to access. and extra ammo isn't really needed either on an already efficient weapon

[paper trellis]

are 21% health curios just a myth or does melk hate me?

[bitter turtle]

Az said anecdotally that it was only a 3-5% increase comparing it without HH

[terse idol]

[bitter turtle]

And speaking personally I did not notice a difference after I removed it

So i doubt it really makes a difference

Even without recip the gun shoots so fast you're bound to hit 2 critstrings

Which is all you need to max stack infernus

[tame lodge]

Melk hates you

Be proud of it

[paper trellis]

i bought 40 curios

not one was 21 health

[red laurel]

Yes please. Excuse the delay, I just went to sleep two hours prior

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

You can see how it does in 40 on boards here

#veteran-class message

[plush kernel]

@weary peak

but also

i don't play grenades

now i'm being forced to respec into them

[weary peak]

https://tenor.com/view/bone-gif-9583965047034155743

[little lion]

Is there a veteran pdf like the ogryns have?

[pseudo fiber]

it's in the pinned

[little lion]

Bet thanks

[jaunty tinsel]

whats your guys' favorite melee weapon for killing crushers + maulers?

[leaden skiff]

Pokey pokey sward

[tough tiger]

Dsword 4 is easiest to use

[jaunty tinsel]

is that the "pokey pokey sword"?

[plush kernel]

ok shit's busted

killed a boss in 15 sec

and my build isn't even optimized

[leaden skiff]

What's busted now?

[plush kernel]

talking about poe2 stuff

[gilded wraith]

How does the recon hold up compared to the laspistol in upper havoc? 6c is the version preferred?

[narrow frost]

If zarona is so good, then explain this 😠

[plush kernel]

i could barely see the red glow of the burster

[bitter turtle]

its good

6 is the better one yes

14 can no longer cleave

[scarlet thistle]

Spotted

[terse idol]

[grand perch]

Hidden commissar shot you

Bravery skill issue

[faint beacon]

Instant damnation for using it that’s why the moment the bullet left the chamber it instantly detonated killing you

[stable shoal]

Is shovel & recon lasgun a good combo ?

[dry cloak]

yes

at waht difficulty?

[stable shoal]

I plan on getting it to auric level

Just don’t know how it’ll deal with hordes of crushers

Besides shovel spam

[dry cloak]

well proven counters are either bolter/plasma or boltpistol/revolver

[dry cloak]

dueling sword but this weapon can be damaging to your skill. because once you get used to being invincible by dodging its hard to comeback

folding shovels have nice carapce damage

[bitter turtle]

folding shovel 1taps crushers

it works

[violet wyvern]

any vet melee weps worth trying lately or am i stickin to psword

[peak tree]

Dueling sword is goated as hell.

[dry cloak]

yes its good but it can harm you in te long run

[dry cloak]

shovels chainswords

devil claws

[sturdy karma]

Just remember when you take off devils claw you lose parry…. I ran head first into a pack of ragers at start of map then had my oh shit moment when the special button reved up my chain sword. Then proceeded to sit down for a few seconds

[calm shard]

is volley fire viable on havoc just for the sake of murdering every one of those fuckin' homeless people with AK 47s

[sturdy karma]

Is volley fire exe stance? If so I’d say no because the opportunity tax of losing shout

[calm shard]

oh wait yeah Executioner's Stance sorry

okay but what if the other guy has shout already

[sturdy karma]

Even better

If you don’t see gold toughness shout. If you see gold toughness don’t shout as the TLDR

The non elite gunners will absolutely shit their pants and cower in fear if you fire a bolter/bolt pistol/plasma near them

[calm shard]

or I could kill them

[sturdy karma]

If it’s a big frustration you can use a weapon perk like striped down or ghost

[tacit sonnet]

What mark knife is this?

It's 3, right?

[austere mica]

Yes

[high mulch]

And please! Can someone share their keybinds for slide, dogde jump etc etc😅

[slow flint]

..space. I don't use sliding a lot but I can't just press controller, hold W, and shift at once sooo

might have to rebind it later

[tawny timber]

jump: alt
dodge: space
slide: ctrl
sprint: shift
forward: w

works for me

sometimes vaulting is a pain but its not a parkour game

so i take the occasional difficult vault over jumping instead of dodging

[red patio]

Mine is dodge on space, slide/crouch on alt, and jump on ctrl

Most times I want to jump I don't need to be sprinting at the same time unless I need to jump onto a sliding platform

And if slide is on ctrl then I kinda have to stop sprinting to drop my finger to slide and it's way easier for me to move my thumb from space one key over to alt

But you should just do whatever feels more comfortable for you

[steady wolf]

I still have jump on spacebar with dodge but I should prolly put jump on a thumb button next to my slide..

[tender rose]

Dodge = space
Jump/slide are mouse buttons.
I use the naga pro v2 hyperspeed wireless mmo mouse

[placid portal]

ono, 4001 connection error

[sturdy karma]

I ditched my razer naga for the basilisk cause I thought I’ll not need extra buttons anymore since I don’t play mmos… now I wish I had them

[tender rose]

Reasons I swapped to the naga, to much shit to do with one hand during a fight.

[sturdy karma]

I’d had like 4 nagas in a row for wow raiding n now miss it

[tender rose]

The v2 hyperspeed is light AF and fairly cheap for a Razer mouse

[sturdy karma]

I got my basilisk this year cause it had decent reviews but it’s only got 2 side buttons a use them for weapon special/crouch

[tender rose]

Aye... For a while I was using the arctis 9 wireless but the shape wasn't the best for my hands. Tried so many after that finally settled on the hypeespeed. Its been great.

[sturdy karma]

One thing I’d say for changing keybinds is scroll wheel - I changed scroll up to melee and scroll down to ranged.

The default scroll wheel also swaps in your blitz

I think some people just use Q for weapon swaps

[tender rose]

Scrollwheel is great for quick flick knife throws and grenades

[sturdy karma]

Ohhh might try that

[tender rose]

I use q for weapon swap

And 1-5 for weapons and shite on keyboard

[regal belfry]

what do you think about the burst rifles

[regal belfry]

thyazide mousewheel

[tender rose]

Keyboard is faster. Using a wooting board with variable magnetic actuation points.

8000 hz polling. .40mm actuation point

38g linear switches

[regal belfry]

speed silver switches?

i have optical reds to time

[tender rose]

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-ks-20-magnetic-orange-hall-sensor-switch-set?VariantsId=10771

[oak gorge]

my hungry ass thinking this was a jello cube

[tender rose]

Was off by 2grams they are 38gs

Since I moved from the 60he to the 80he I had to order another pack of them to cover the last 10 switches.

[tender rose]

Tried a board with opticals they didn't feel right. Can't really explain it.

[regal belfry]

oh magnetic the low actucation point makes sense now

and i need around 40gs cause i had once a keyboard with speed silver swithces and they felt to light to press

[heavy rover]

I use 80g springs in my switches

I type like a gorrilla

[tender rose]

I've run into that with the Lekker Switch Linear45 from wooting. They start out at 30g of force.

I kept strafing accidentally lol

[regal belfry]

kaihl silver speed were 32g

what do you think about the vigilant tripple burst rifle

[tacit sonnet]

I use shift for dodge, everything else is deafult. You can't dash forward and you can only sprint forward so nothing overlaps, it's also close to ctrl for dodge sliding.

[undone jungle]

up to preference but I run this:
middle mouse: blitz
space: dodge only
ctrl: jump only
alt: crouch
ability: c

you rarely actually jump in this game and i find alt comfortable, c is closer than f and i can press it without letting go of wasd. blitz on middle mouse mostly because of throwing knives tbf

[tacit sonnet]

Can't say that you rarely jump

[regal belfry]

vaults around alot

[tacit sonnet]

Every game I need to vault something

[undone jungle]

ctrl isnt the print screen button i can reach it very easily

but you cant easily press ctrl + shift to slide

[tacit sonnet]

Yes you can

[undone jungle]

its uncomfortable for me

i have joint problems

[tacit sonnet]

They are literally in the exact same spot

[undone jungle]

it requires me to awkwardly roll my hand

[tacit sonnet]

Then it might be uncomfortable.

[sturdy karma]

I replaced my keyboard this week Logitech one died after 8 years it had some old typewriter loud as fuck cherry keys can’t remember the colour. I got the razer one to check out Al this snaptap nonsense and it’s overhyped

Unless your a bleeding edge PVPer I don’t think you’d notice

[undone jungle]

but rlly its just up to preference i only really recommend rebinding blitz specifically for throwing knives

[regal belfry]

i have shift to sprint on c and ctrl crouch

i trow knifes on a quertz board with y

[tender rose]

They have that on the wooting as well. I don't use it lol.

[tacit sonnet]

I put my pinkie on shift and ctrl at the same time and then I just press both

[undone jungle]

oh i have tiny ass hands maybe thats why its uncomfortable

[tacit sonnet]

or I shift my finger to ctrl if I just need to crouch

[sturdy karma]

The Xbox elite controller is pretty good for DT you can rebind the paddles on the back for blitz/tag/dodge/slide

I found out this year there is a thing called claw grip or something that youngsters do with controllers I’d never heard of

Boomer brain can’t comprehend how they hold a controller

[tender rose]

Need steam controller v2

[undone jungle]

something tells me you're 23 😂

[sturdy karma]

No idea how normal console gamers can play with controller when knifes are like up on the keypad

[undone jungle]

its kinda sad it died since i love it a lot, i have 3 spare lol

goddamn!

my bad you're allowed to call yourself a boomer

[tender rose]

I have 4 total. All working. But the steam deck has ruined me.

[regal belfry]

uses hall effect controllers for other games

[sturdy karma]

This shit is baffling

[steady wolf]

always have to do that in games where you want to look around while using face buttons

[tender rose]

https://tenor.com/view/white-claw-the-claw-toy-story-clawwww-gif-14432446

[tacit sonnet]

When playing games with a controller, claw grip is very uncomfortable but effective, so I switch benween normal and claw often

Can't use the claw grip for too long

[sturdy karma]

Peak controller grip

That’s some random image btw not my warty thumb

[tender rose]

Why I like the SD layout. And all the other crap that you can do with steam input

[regal belfry]

i rather get myself a Controller with paddles before i ever do claw grip

[steady wolf]

those controllers with stainless steel fully removable bumpers, triggers, and sticks.....

[tender rose]

Face buttons are for important shit. Back buttons become the face buttons

[sturdy karma]

Yeah that’s why Xbox elite controller feels great

It’s got nice weight too

[steady wolf]

ew, using a xbone controller with no batteries in it and it's weightless which i love

[regal belfry]

gulikit kk3 max would be the one i would get i use to time the gulikit kingkong 2 pro

[steady wolf]

only a bit of weight in the handles

[tender rose]

That kk pro 3 looks nais I have the pro 2 ATM

[regal belfry]

the gulikit pro 2 is good but i mean it has no paddles or so

[tender rose]

Yes I got it back around when it came out.

Its so dumb I have a ton of controllers and I barely use them.

[regal belfry]

i got mine march 2023 after my xbox one controller got stickdrift

i have a switch pro controller to but i don't like them that much

[unreal nova]

Down, ping is up

[regal belfry]

i would go crazy if i tried something fast like darktide or vermintide with gamepad

[unreal nova]

At near $500 each... too ex.

[steady wolf]

Same, imagine trying to brain burst an elite surrounded by 20 chaffs on controller. or snipe anything far away

[undone jungle]

I've been carried by controller players before so surely they must not have it that bad. Then again I basically never see good controller players running precision weapons, usually stuff like inferno staff

I can't imagine using a laspistol effectively on controller that'd probably feel like ass

[unreal nova]

Tried. Is okay, you will get RSI first though.

[undone jungle]

oh god i forgot autofire isnt a thing vanilla

[regal belfry]

yeets infantry lasguns and vigilant autoguns at them

[undone jungle]

genuinely forgot laspistol wasnt full auto

[regal belfry]

laspistol was never full auto

the light variant would deserve it

[steady wolf]

LMB electrostaff on psyker is genuinely a hazard without full auto mod.

[unreal nova]

Is why you go revolver or bolt if you want precision.

[undone jungle]

ive used it with autofire for years i cant even imagine using it without the glock switch

[unreal nova]

Heavy laspistol will RSI you after 5 missions.

[regal belfry]

flick shot those specials as zealot

[unreal nova]

I know, my hand ended numb after mastering it.

[regal belfry]

i preffer vigilant auto or infantry las on vet

[undone jungle]

kinda sad cus laspistol can be quite good on havoc. i have mine setup to 1 tap all shooters with Ghost and great ammo economy cus shock trooper and desperado

[unreal nova]

I refuse to do infantry las for a reason.

[undone jungle]

I used to like inf las but the fact you're kinda forced into using suppression immunity talent hurts a lot of builds

not to mention laspiss is a great tool

you can dump stability so you can mobilitymaxx and run faster than dueling sword zealots lol

[regal belfry]

the light version sure, i use the medium one

[unreal nova]

Bonus ads aim assist lul.

[regal belfry]

mouse keyboard

[undone jungle]

i've even started to run laspis on zealot since relic blade has some of the worst mobility in the game

you can justs swap to laspis for a dodge or sprint

[unreal nova]

Or boltpistol.

Funny run&gun.

[dire olive]

Or shredd... wait nvm

[undone jungle]

yea but ghost is too clutch on havoc rn i pretty much only use flamer or laspis cus of that

[regal belfry]

i go normally bp with rgs

[tacit sonnet]

Are there any good melee options for dealing with crushers other than ps?

[undone jungle]

i dont really need it cus i go for throwing knives

[regal belfry]

ds?

[unreal nova]

You might as well just pick a BAG at that point.

[undone jungle]

dueling sword, i guess combat blades, combat axe doesnt fair badly, folding shovels ig but you're better off using other weapons

[dire olive]

Blue chainaxe I guess

[unreal nova]

DS4, lul.

[tacit sonnet]

I refuse using ds, so probably shovel or chain axe

[undone jungle]

try rashad, regular play you can like 4 tap them

[unreal nova]

But yeah, shovel is decent.

[undone jungle]

on havoc its a gamble lol

[unreal nova]

I hate chainaxe.

[tacit sonnet]

which shovel

[undone jungle]

tbh every shovel can kill them okayish

[unreal nova]

3, I think.

[regal belfry]

Rashad combat axe

[undone jungle]

even after BM nerfs rashad is still really stinking good

i usually avoid it regular play since it feels cheesy on auric damnation even but on havoc i might as well tryhard best in slot

and assuming you're running a bunch of melee talents its probably best in slot

[regal belfry]

rashad needs to compete with ds4

[undone jungle]

ofc with a premade you ideally want an inferno psyker handling hordes but i dont trust my friends and definitely not randoms to deal with hordes

[undone jungle]

it does. ds4 handles moebian hordes... well it doesn't handle them

[regal belfry]

idk why but i like mk7 shovel but it misses something

[undone jungle]

they're both great weapons i simply do not trust my team to handle hordes so i run rashad

[regal belfry]

shockmaces are meh aswell

[undone jungle]

assuming i had a lvl 500 psyker running inferno staff i might consider running ds4

yeah shock mauls are kinda crap

i really tried giving them the benefit of the doubt

[tacit sonnet]

rashad doesn't need to complete with ds4

[undone jungle]

but mk1 shovel just btfo's every shock maul in the game

[regal belfry]

?

[undone jungle]

it does their job better

especially after lightning reflexes nerf

[tacit sonnet]

ds4 just need to either be nerfed or simpel taken away from vet and zealot

[regal belfry]

oh and what would you recommend mk 7 or mk3 shovel

[undone jungle]

imho brutal momentum needs to be removed and every weapon with BM given some sort of adjusted version of it

thats the real reason every BM weapon is OP

[regal belfry]

i would like to still have uncanny strike

and chain weapon special should be reworked

[undone jungle]

I dont really like foldings anymore since in most cases power swords are better but i do like mk3 for regular play since with skullcrusher it can 2 tap special heavy crushers

i run it flak+infested (helps with pox walker clear) and decimator + skullcrusher and spam lights into hordes. its a meme but for regular play it works. i wouldnt bother on havoc.

[unreal nova]

The extended pickaxe heavy delay?

[regal belfry]

no

[unreal nova]

The real thing is 3 has less of a delay on the heavy pickaxe. You can try both and see.

Like, use the heavy attack on anything.

7 takes longer before you pull it out.

[tacit sonnet]

Which chainaxe is the preferred one?

[undone jungle]

I really wish mk7 shovel had just all strikedown lights

it'd be awesome if it did

like its push attack is fantastic but hard to really use with the rest of the kit

[sturdy karma]

The one with latching lights I can’t rembrmbrr the mk it’s the OG not the newer one

[unreal nova]

I just think it's in that weird spot. The og is better for hordes and the 3 to bonk elites/specials.

[undone jungle]

og special attack is also just too fucking good to pass up

[tacit sonnet]

MK IV

[undone jungle]

mk4 chaxe. i rarely use it but ig it has a niche in that you can run rev it up on it

[unreal nova]

Is like ds poke. Yep. Funni.

[undone jungle]

you only really need headtaker so i like to slap rev it up on it. very useful for relocating as you're able to haul ass faster than hordes

[sturdy karma]

With momentum/martydom zealot it’s great fun but outside of that it’s too slow

A fully charge rev on it will chunk a boss

Nutty damage

[unreal nova]

Just a warning if you do use it. Motionsickness the game. It will latch to any and everything and spin you around all over. Bonus if rubberbanding from lag.

[undone jungle]

mk4 is fine enough honestly. i dont bother even using the rev attacks outside of the bleed blessing

its just too dangerous to use most of the time

[fading widget]

some guy in the psyker channel just called me small brained because I said i play plasma vet
unbelievable

[sturdy karma]

Yeah without an attack speed buff your going to eat melees from hordes

[tacit sonnet]

But why mk IV?

What's so bad about MK XII?

[undone jungle]

way WAY better horde-clear

mk xii has abysmal clear

wet noodle lights

[unreal nova]

Heavy for hordes, lights for elites/specials.

[undone jungle]

push attack for hordes too

[sturdy karma]

Mk4 heavy’s have pretty good impact aswell

[undone jungle]

mk xii even when martyrdom maxxing on zealot (which ik isnt even good) still has bad clear

[sturdy karma]

It feels like a weighty weapon

[tacit sonnet]

well, I am trying to make funny double barrelt shotgun work and that has amazing hordle clear

[sturdy karma]

Chain sword

[unreal nova]

I hate it because it reverses the concepts my head follows. And Autism makes it harder to switch just for 1 weapon.

[sturdy karma]

Or Rashad

[tacit sonnet]

MK XII Might actually work

[zenith widget]

what's the best machine gun?

[tacit sonnet]

I wanna at least try it

[sturdy karma]

For what? Recon and vraks IAG are great

[zenith widget]

i should specify best infantry autogun

[sturdy karma]

Vraks

Hands down

[undone jungle]

not called vraks anymore lol

oh wait

my brain derped

columnus...

[tacit sonnet]

It's not called columnus anymore

[undone jungle]

</3

[tacit sonnet]

Columnus is now some other gun

[zenith widget]

i saw a havoc 40 vet just destroying everything with an infantry autogun , wondering what it was

[sturdy karma]

Haha I done that earlier in Psyker chat

[tacit sonnet]

btw, what is new columnus?

[undone jungle]

it bloody well should be 👴

[tacit sonnet]

Is it old agripina?

[undone jungle]

vraks headhunter became columnus vigilant

or do you mean the iag columnus

thats the graia

no fucking clue why they'd rename all of these

its so confusing for my oldhead brain

[unreal nova]

I think GW made them to follow the canon stuff.

[sturdy karma]

My brain was hurting at first on psyker like what the fuck is a trauma staff

[undone jungle]

traumaforce is at least distinct and different from voidstrike

now players confuse voidblast and voidstrike constantly

electrokinetic and infernus are good renames tho

[unreal nova]

It fits.

[sturdy karma]

Voicdstrike is the “we have plasma gun at home”

[tacit sonnet]

I refuse to use the new staves names

[sturdy karma]

But still fun

[unreal nova]

One shock one fire.

[tacit sonnet]

They suck

And are boring

[undone jungle]

purgatus is cooler imho but infernus makes newbies less confused so i cant hate it

[unreal nova]

It shoots fire, inferno.

[tacit sonnet]

Inferno is the most default boring ahh name you could use for fire. Purgatus was cool

[undone jungle]

voidstrike is still quite good

infinite ammo is no joke

[tacit sonnet]

voidstrike is ok

[undone jungle]

plus the shots have very large width

[unreal nova]

But deafens you.

[undone jungle]

its just mostly put to shame with EK

and purgatus has better overall clear

[sturdy karma]

It’s my preferred staff aside from flame. I like going surge max crit literal balls to the wall

[unreal nova]

Double BOOM!

[sturdy karma]

A lot of time it’s overkill but I’m honestly willing to wager on higher difficulty havoc that extra boom is a break point

[undone jungle]

i usually go EK because i do not trust my team to kill shooters on havoc

[unreal nova]

But funni though.

[tacit sonnet]

When you talk about taking something on havocs, what havoc ranks are we talking about?

40? 30? 20?

It's a huge difference

[unreal nova]

They always mean 35+.

[sturdy karma]

For me 30+ Is what id class as high

[tacit sonnet]

ok

[sturdy karma]

20-25 feels like auric mael

25 is slightly harder

[tacit sonnet]

I only saw purgatus on high havoc, purgatus is too good

They shouldn't have given blaze away to purg

[sturdy karma]

It’s got so much soul blaze synergy

[woven coyote]

Ngl i really wanna like the flamer

But it's hard to leave autoguns

[undone jungle]

purgatus is absolutely meta on havoc yeah, but also its kinda oversaturated on pubs

ive ran into 3 purgatus pskyers yesterday

as in

one lobby

you dont need more than 1

[unreal nova]

Cos easy to use unlike Trauma.

[tacit sonnet]

Haven't seen many purgs on aurics recently

[sturdy karma]

That’d be like zealot having a talent that increased rending on targets as a % based on how many bleeds or burn stacks

[tacit sonnet]

I see mostly surge

[undone jungle]

i love trauma but its absolutely not hard to use lmao

[tacit sonnet]

Trauma is hard to use

[undone jungle]

is it?

i mean harder than purgatus sure

[unreal nova]

That's just you.

[undone jungle]

but hard???

[tacit sonnet]

It is certainly the most difficult staff

[unreal nova]

The aiming is iffy compared.

[sturdy karma]

I dint like trauma because of the range

[unreal nova]

Stairs dook it over.

[undone jungle]

you just avoid stairs as trauma user lol

[tacit sonnet]

It's not like you can easily beat some maps without touching stairs

[unreal nova]

GL on some maps. No choice at points.

[sturdy karma]

Chasm terminus stairs beat the end I back dodged as a zealot with a knife and momentum n I was legit airborne

[unreal nova]

I rather use any other staff tbh.

[sturdy karma]

Tried to proc precog and almost proceed until death with fall damage

[unreal nova]

Lul. Is why I sometimes want yet not want knife dodge. Flings you a distance.

Using it to the side on 'open' bridges and such is like... XD

Whoops and you are now either falling to death or hanging.

[sturdy karma]

Knife dodge is like taking a plague ogryn charge to the face

I think it’s honestly possible if you dodge too soon with the knife in the animation you don’t even get the riposte/precog proc because your fkin miles away

[undone jungle]

its more than possible lol it happens all the time

[woven vigil]

Vetbros, does this stack when there is multiple vets running it?

I suppose same question for other team buffs like Competitive Urge and Born Leader etc?

[undone jungle]

afaik demo team doesnt stack

[woven vigil]

aight, so I'll pick something else then

is there like a list of other talents that don't stack so I could be as efficient as possible?

[sturdy karma]

In higher difficulties it has crazy value

Anything below auric maelstrom I switch it for field improv

[unreal nova]

It is, I know from Zealot. XD

[undone jungle]

demo team is decent. i rarely use it because i do not use my nades enough to warrant it

[woven coyote]

No, it's only 5% for person running it

Other teammates just get chance to resupply themselves too if they have it

[sturdy karma]

Running it with demo stockpile turns it into a mini game

[woven coyote]

Its not the worst ngl

If you got flame nades

[sturdy karma]

Because it resets the demo stockpile timer if you hit 3 nades

[unreal nova]

Just need to spam enough to always be 1 under.

Then rng be like, here, have 3 nades insta.

[sturdy karma]

Yeah if Iv got both I’m throwing nades every 10 second hah

It’s great CC

That talent combo made me want to try and combine hud tweaker mod with better buff management mod so I could make a single buff row with just demo stockpile timer and make it larger to the side of my cross air as a standalone

But I couldn’t be arsed going over the hud tweaker menus its too indepth give me a smooth brain option to make things go big

[undone jungle]

demo team hasn't affected teammates for many many updates now

it only regens the vets nades

[woven coyote]

I know

[undone jungle]

wym flame nades 😭

[woven coyote]

Im saying them getting kills

Gives you more nades

And flame nades seem to be most effective ngl

[tacit sonnet]

How would it even stack?

What's there to stack?

[sturdy karma]

Anything that turns the killfeed into a frenzied twitch chat is going to feed you nades

[woven vigil]

you know, looking back at it I think you have a point. I probably meant to ask for stuff like this actually 😄

basically talents that help replenish team toughness if XY or give more damage to team etc. - do those stack?

[regal belfry]

weird i preffer the mk8 auto rifle over the mk5

[sturdy karma]

I don’t know if they stack but even if you are at full toughness your gains still transfer to team mates

Iv got a commissar support build I run and your not going to top damage with it but you will notice the damage taken by your team is way less and if you’ve got power DI you’ll get a rough idea of how much toughness you gave the team

[pastel yew]

from what I understand if you had 4 vets with this talent, any toughness they get would send 15% to everyone else, except for toughness generated by this effect. So toughness wouldnt bounce back and forth between them reducing by 85% at a time

but you could all run it

[tacit sonnet]

Thoughts
Recon XII, catachan IV

[pastel yew]

onslaught is trash but given your melee can't deal with carapace and I assume you're running frags you have like

no choice but to take it

kinda rough

[latent parcel]

No boss damage or armor 😦

[tacit sonnet]

recon deals with armor and bosses

[tacit sonnet]

yea, frags

[latent parcel]

try that in havoc 30+ tell me how it goes

[tacit sonnet]

I aint running this shit in havoc lol

[latent parcel]

oh u can bring a heavy sword and las pistol and do well in aurics

bring what u want

[pastel yew]

recons boss damage is aight

it's carapace clear is real not aight though its slow as hell

and means wasting ammo doing 0 damage just to stack brittleness to .. actually do damage

[terse idol]

If you want boss damage you may as well take like bring it down

[serene bough]

Man

[terse idol]

And you don't need trench fighter

[serene bough]

I can't wait to stop playing havoc

[terse idol]

On a catachan sword

[serene bough]

Its getting real boring now

[pastel yew]

trench fighter is p good with the catachan though as about the only thing it does okay is horde clear

so attack speed is nice but yeah probably less relevant

[terse idol]

I thought it was pretty fast that's why

[pastel yew]

bring it down + marksman would add a huge increase in boss dps though

[terse idol]

Yerp

Save 2 points

Don't take toughness boost don't take trench fighter

Take bring it down

[pastel yew]

tbf the connecting node is the same for both i think

25 toughness

so it's just a straight talent swap

[terse idol]

[wanton dawn]

Sounds complicated

I just put crap together

[serene bough]

Very orky of you

[pastel yew]

I mean the only correct way to use the recon lasgun is exec stance + all the ability modifiers..

[wanton dawn]

I have the same basic build squeleton since talent tree dropped

[pastel yew]

press f... infinite damage laser beam

I mean you can definitely boil the vet tree down to a basic skeleton you adjust as

its not well balanced

and some nodes are effectively must haves

though it is nice to try other things

[wanton dawn]

well, right tree is okay but it is not really great for havoc

left tree is... left tree

[pastel yew]

I think right tree is fine

it'll probably open up a bit as people get more used to the mode and dont rely so heavily on gold toughness

smokes are fine, stealth is fine

[tired scarab]

right tree is fine and does its job

[pastel yew]

mhm

[tired scarab]

compliments duelist playstyles a lot

swapping between your gun and melee is the game there

[wanton dawn]

Well, that's what I do when I am bored and want to destroy the scoreboard

[pastel yew]

idk honestly I think most of the vet stuff is pretty well balanced its just... the strongest options are silly

[tired scarab]

i do agree with you on left tree though maff

[pastel yew]

demolition stockpile which is effectively a must have on every vet build, leads into the strongest vet ability

[tired scarab]

true, demo stockpile goes nutty

[wanton dawn]

Not taking middle keystone on high havoc is a bit grieffing though

imho

[pastel yew]

left tree is fine

its just

these nodes are so mid

[tired scarab]

fair

[pastel yew]

survivalist is redundant outside of havoc

[tired scarab]

the ability is p nice and works well

the keystone tho

:(

[pastel yew]

they keystones... a.a.fas.

I mean like it's not bad, it's just niche

[tired scarab]

hard to upkeep without crawling on the ground 24/7

[pastel yew]

it's basically only good on automatic weapons I think

[wanton dawn]

Keystone got destroyed when surv was nerfed

[pastel yew]

I think the only times I run it are recon lasgun and plasmagun