veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

everything works

[west bronze]

In higher difficulties is the shovel still ok?

[tall torrent]

Smoke + ogryn in havoc might actually be cooking

[bitter turtle]

havoc only becomes picky because you get a quarter of the ammo and over half the guns get nerfed in dmg

[tall torrent]

Viable

[bitter turtle]

if u mean anything up to auric maelstrom

yes

everything is viable

[west bronze]

Sweet

[bitter turtle]

the closest thing to being trash

is shredder autopistol

but you can manage

[tall torrent]

I ordered KLIM Everest cooling pad just now btw

Maybe I’ll finally be playing on normal frames with low temps

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[bitter turtle]

yee

well lmk if you want to run

[tall torrent]

(This means I have more excuses to delay my guide so I can play more)

[bitter turtle]

i did my 40 for the week

but

i have a 39 lel

deranked with some low 30s

itll jump back up to 40 by next week tho

[orchid hemlock]

if you want to be "optimal" just always play psyker can kill everything

[tall torrent]

Idrc tbh, I can’t rly tell a difference above 30 in terms of difficulty

I don’t think the varying elite & specialist health boosts above 30 even change breakpoints so it plays like pretty much the same thing

[bitter turtle]

ye that's fair

i dont really notice any difference iether

though

the dmg dealt on avg does climb a bit

for me

[tall torrent]

I think it’s spawn rate increase

[bitter turtle]

i noticed like at 35-37 its more like 1.2m usually while 40 is almsot always 1.4m

yeah probably

[tall torrent]

But the felt difficulty is like, around the same thing

[bitter turtle]

yeah pretty jmuch, you have to play the same way

some maps are just pure insanity though

idk i find chasm logistratum not too bad

oblivium

is hell to me

that mid event is a fucking nightmare

and if u survive

you go up the elevator

to a gunner line

and then 2 bosses

they almost ALWAYS spawn on that bridge

https://i.gyazo.com/1c5e8471f263bb9ccfa33e7b465368b0.png

look at how many rescues

we had

[tall torrent]

Smoke value in oblivium cannot be understated

[bitter turtle]

LOL

everyone kept dying

we barely held on

i think

if the zealot didn tpush the cspawn off the bridge with chorus

when it spawned with captain

we would have been fucked

cus i was actually out of ammo and everyone was on like 20 hp

[tall torrent]

Zealot seems to be a lot more passive in havoc overall

[bitter turtle]

yeah

they are support

very important support but support

hold relic

chuck immo nade

cleanse corruption

flamer when enemies are all softened up after relic

meanwhile psyker is just purging all the trash mobs and vet snipes the specials and elites

much teamwork

very wow

[tall torrent]

Smoke vet + ogryn is still cool to me

[bitter turtle]

its a nidea

[tall torrent]

Smoke vet enables ogryn to perform giga bullying vs every melee elite

[bitter turtle]

i think smoke is really cool

its just so hard to

give the wheel to someone else tho

about elite waves

at least for me, in regards to trust

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s more team trust thing

But smoke gives u like, more commanding power cuz u decide when your team makes moves

[bitter turtle]

yeah, if you dont trust team, its still managable to deal with gunners even w/o smoke or bubble

[paper trellis]

do you mind sharing your stealth build rq? need to tinker with mine for a sec, and need ideas

[bitter turtle]

sure

https://i.gyazo.com/8fabf8be887a09ce502afdeecb37348c.png

[paper trellis]

thank you

[bitter turtle]

you can take a point out of surprise attack

and put it somewhere else if u want

im not really sure if its worth still

its for the nade boost

but im not sure if twinning is better

but twinning is inconsistent so

idk

[tall torrent]

Get grenadier over leave no one behind as well

[bitter turtle]

oh fuck

[tall torrent]

That +1 nade helps

[bitter turtle]

did i put leave no one behind

by accident

yea its grenadier

@serene bough my infil tree was supposed to be grenadier and not leave no one behind

in case u try it

[paper trellis]

yeah it seems nearly every time I go down it's rescuing someone else because i think leave no one behind will be quick enough, and never is

looks like a recon setup?

[bitter turtle]

yes

recon + ds4 infiltrate

i find it to be the most

well rounded loadout

the weakest aspect is mobs

but you have a lot of nades

and you can kinda spray them with recon

a bit

without running out

if its a pinch

u can see in the scoreboard above

i could afford to give almost = ammo to zealot

https://i.gyazo.com/498e737a449929238beaf718bdef1213.png

and then there was this fuckass game where the other vet took all the ammo and did less with it

jk

[lime pendant]

Hey, my vet's name is ButcherPete. Whomever it was that said I was MVP of the last round I played? Thanks. If you're here. That was pretty rad.

[bitter turtle]

i wasn't that person

but i'll take the credit

you were mvp of last round

[hearty panther]

how tf does the math work for havoc and curios

[bitter turtle]

i dont know i just stack 3 hp and call it a day

[hearty panther]

i wanna be able to figure out what ill have stats wise without joining a damn game lmao

[topaz hollow]

hot take: grim corruption for curio should be on coruption

[somber axle]

It is iirc?

Run triple corruption resistance perks and you're not grey on 2 grims I think

No need for grim corruption resistance

[topaz hollow]

i was grey om 2 grim full health lol

on auric if that even matters

2 corruption res

both 15

asked the person not to pick them up but ig they REALLY REALLY NEEDED their fucking weekly for some fucking weird reason

[hollow ibex]

this is the type of person i don't rez when they inevitably go down lmao

[vital wren]

I always reroll grim weeklies anyway.

[hollow ibex]

same

if i care enough

milk bucks arel ike worthless now

[serene bough]

I didn't notice and ran grenadier anyways lols

Before havoc I used to do infiltrate all the time and never took leave no one behind

[bitter turtle]

yea

that was an accident

just wanted to let you know

[serene bough]

Appreciate it

[steady wolf]

leave no one behind is a lot more useful when you don't have stealth lol

but still pretty meh

[serene bough]

Better not to build for perks that require poor performance to be useful

[steady wolf]

i wanted maximum speed

it's sad how little 50% revive speed feels even on all curios + the talent

[umbral parrot]

It's awesome! ! !

[umbral parrot]

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!? You can revive faster than a sniper can hit you. ANd just fast enough to revive a team8 just as a crusher strikes down their hammer too!

It's SOOOOOOO GOOD!

[hollow ibex]

just in time for the sniper or crusher to instagib your teammate

maybe i'll start taking it

[umbral parrot]

Then take it!

I need to record that. It's so funny. Especially in HAVOC mode.

[somber axle]

That's curious. I wonder if the third corruption resistance perk has that much if an effect or if it is just the top stat for curios making a difference. I could swear the last time I had a group do 2 grims I only had 30-40% of the first wound bar eaten but wasn't grey 24/7

But then maybe I was running an HP curio or two at the time? Idk

[pastel pumice]

i trust melk's judgement as much as I trust the ogryn with a nuke

[topaz hollow]

i wish they added some cool mechanic to grims so now id fully forgive anyy sorry fucker for picking them up because their pockets are empty

[pastel pumice]

(i have little faith in him)

[somber axle]

Grims could probably do with a bit more of a reward for how much they can hurt a run yeah

They're so worthless usually that they were the objective for the Infected Moebian 21st event LMFAO

[cyan verge]

anyone know rq if daemonhosts appear on all difficulties, I feel like I've never seen one on sedition but idk

[somber axle]

Without the penance or an active event I doubt anyone would even look at them

[cyan verge]

people always pick up grims for some reason

it's annoying because

no one is gonna make a 'grims party'

no one is gonna do that

there's no reward really sufficient for it at this time

so people just pick them up in random quickmatches if they see them like ohhh that's my weeeeekly or some shit

[tall torrent]

1 grim is like 6k dockets

it's ok

[steady wolf]

wait grimoires dont give mats like diamantine?

[normal sparrow]

Only exp and dockets

[cyan verge]

yummy dockets

[tall torrent]

no, only dockets and XP
only the dockets matter

[cyan verge]

shame you can't spend dockets for temporary stat bonuses

[umbral parrot]

Stat bonuses!?

[steady wolf]

100 on weapon stat lol

[umbral parrot]

The only stat bonus you need is meditation, self delusions, and practice! Works for me~ ❤️

I love myself x3

[cyan verge]

I was just thinking like what if you could pay for some extra corruption resist or something for 10 games for like 10k dockets that might be a fun little resource sink

[umbral parrot]

I mean... i would feel like a cheater.

[cyan verge]

like oh you get +10% corruption resist, which would on its own get you above that 50% corruption from 2 grimoires

that'd be cool

chaos inoculation

wait that's a different game

[umbral parrot]

Would be cool to pour our dockets into something at least tho

Even Melk's stuff is becoming moot now.

Wah? This game's fun!

[somber axle]

+dockets curio perk best in slot confirmed

[umbral parrot]

I think Block eff is the best

[somber axle]

Weird thought but I wish they'd add more cosmetics to the commissary to burn dockets

[umbral parrot]

I am always tempted to get it but i think Revival speed is better.... just a bit.

[somber axle]

Once you finish masteries on all weapons for all classes and have your weapons finished they sorta just do nothing

Which isn't really an issue for new players because their grind will go for a while

But wow I'd love something more to throw dockets at

[umbral parrot]

I see what you're saying. A slot Machine cosmetic store with in game currency! I like the way you think!

[somber axle]

I would love a FF14/SWTOR style dye system where colours are changed via dockets

[wooden moat]

for all that is holy just get a psyker

[somber axle]

Leave the funny armour details and camo styles dependent per item

[steady wolf]

Prolly a little too late for that..

[somber axle]

But being able to spend dockets to change the colour of an outfit piece so it matches better would be nice

Yeah definitely too late for a dye system LMFAO

[umbral parrot]

No! Magic is lame!

[steady wolf]

craziest part is some things that look to be simple recolors at first arent, sometimes your eyebrow is gone, sometimes just the glove is different on a chest.

[umbral parrot]

I hate that. Ogryn gets that!

[somber axle]

Yeah there are lots of neat little details

[tall torrent]

Commissary stuff could be recolours

[tall torrent]

Nah

[somber axle]

My fav is the visor version of the Steel Legion helmet where the original helmet has a pack of cigarettes tied to it but a second version has a canteen tied to it instead

[umbral parrot]

See, both have different gloves!

My Ogryn is the left one! :3

[somber axle]

That'd be nice

[umbral parrot]

You know i block a lot with Power Sword, right!?

[wooden moat]

cmon, you know ye wanna just spam flammies over n over

[tall torrent]

Too bad block is not good in this game

[umbral parrot]

Neither is Powersword Dodge! BLOCK

[steady wolf]

yep and this recolor randomly gives your eyebrow back

[somber axle]

Right now it has some really old recolors and I think they did add a few extra things to it more recently but it usually gets ignored in favour of the Aquila shop and I 100% understand why I just wish they'd put more fun ideas into the commissary

[umbral parrot]

Even with 3 3 3 Stamina, sometimes it gets chewed up like bubble gum!

[tall torrent]

Even with power sword’s dodge, it’s still better than block lol

[umbral parrot]

I mean, yea. But you need to count your dodges.

[tall torrent]

Game just really wants discourages blocking as a whole

[umbral parrot]

Yea, you're right actually. I do see myself pushing a lot rather than blocking.....

[somber axle]

Isn't block efficiency really good for clutching a revive during a wave or blocking three ragers trying to combo you in the split second before you dodge beyond their reach or something

[umbral parrot]

I really wish there was a cool timed block thingy that gives you a buff like that electric stick that no one uses!

There we go! Shock Maul!

[somber axle]

Though I guess you could also just VoC shout to get space for a revive/kill everything/infiltrate/shredder frag grenade to make space/etc.

[tall torrent]

Being forced to revive someone while tanking ragers is a strategy that is simply too risky most of the time

[tall torrent]

This got nerfed

[umbral parrot]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN!?

What was it before?

[tall torrent]

Used to not have a cooldown

[somber axle]

I kinda want to do a funny shovel defenses stat block efficiency run now just to see how it would work LOL

[umbral parrot]

OH GOSH! I SEE THE COOL DOWN! ! !

Still good tho. I love blocking a lot. It really snaps really quickly unlike Ogryn Pickaxe.

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s not worth it

[umbral parrot]

I mean, blocking, not block eff

[tall torrent]

Lightning reflexes used to have value in stunning ragers

Now it’s just worthless

You’re better off taking +stagger blessings so your attacks can combo break

[umbral parrot]

Gosh... i want that for my Power Sword! Without the dumb nerf of course.

[tall torrent]

Still wouldn’t be good

[tall torrent]

It’s competing against BM / Sunder for 2nd blessing slot

lol

[umbral parrot]

You think so? One of my reflexes is hearing a swing, and block/stab behind me.

[umbral parrot]

Oh right.... then as a talent!

[tall torrent]

lol no place to put it

[normal sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

[bitter turtle]

I would be happy

If they added just basic recolors

[umbral parrot]

Of course there is! Replace this piece of trash for it.

[bitter turtle]

Uh

No

[tall torrent]

It’d be inaccessible to other classes

[umbral parrot]

I would actually consider removing Trench Fighter for a free prenerffed timed blocked blessing.

[bitter turtle]

I need that for my bistol build

[umbral parrot]

Oh... right

[bitter turtle]

Don't you dare delete skirmisher >:(

[tall torrent]

U just gotta accept that blocking is not very good by design lol

[umbral parrot]

Run/Gun bolt Pistol with Skirmisher is soooo fun! But not as fun as melee and blocking!

Well... you know what!?

Yea!

Still has it's place.

[austere mica]

This is the objectively best bistol build ever

[tall torrent]

If it’s not to be reworked I couldn’t care less if it’s deleted

[bitter turtle]

Just replace some other trash talent

Like fte

Or 10% fucking coherence regen

[tall torrent]

Competitive urge and skirmisher can both go

[bitter turtle]

There's no way

Theres a single node

[tall torrent]

Inspiring presence can go too

[bitter turtle]

That is worse than inspiring presence

It just doesn't exist

[umbral parrot]

Lol, what's FTE?

[tall torrent]

10% melee & ranged damage to team and self for 5s on using ability

[bitter turtle]

For the empruh

[umbral parrot]

Oh....

Lol, i actually am starting to use that now. Not sure if it's worth it but i like extra numbers on bosses.

FTE and Surprise Attack = 40% EXTRA DAMAGE! I also have Agile so that's an extra 25% A total of.... a higher number!

[bitter turtle]

Fte doesn't work with infiltrate

Or rather

[umbral parrot]

And considering you can infiltrate and still attack without leaving stealth, it's awesome.

[bitter turtle]

The buff happens when u activate

Not then you unstealth

Which will mean it won't line up with surprise attack

[umbral parrot]

WAIT WAHAT!?

Let me test that out.

[bitter turtle]

Yea

[umbral parrot]

I assumed that if Hunter's Resolve worked while in stealth, Surprise Attack would as well!

I'm going to be so mad!

Let me see

[tall torrent]

It does

But

The only good subnode for infiltrate is low profile

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[umbral parrot]

Whoops, still have VoC lol

Low Profile is SOOOOO GOOD but...

I feel bad leaving my team to handle the extra weight.

Like, yea. I trash talk about how bad players are in Darktide. But still. I got 50% revival speed for a reason! I can't do that to them! x3

[tall torrent]

You use low profile to immediately remove that weight, or rush an objective

Revive speed isn’t worth

[bitter turtle]

Low profile used correctly relieves pressure on your team

[umbral parrot]

I mean, you're partially not the highest priority on the list already once you leave stealth.

Hmm....

[bitter turtle]

Cus they no longer need to go for obj

[austere mica]

I don't, they can either take it or they can't

[umbral parrot]

Lots to consider. But also have to consider doing solo when my team is dead.

The thing is.... umm, they can't! Lol.

And if they die, Low Profile goes up in smokes!

But it's good. I know that for sure.

[austere mica]

Well thats quite unfortunate for them

[umbral parrot]

Surprise attack tho, just to snipe out Dreg Gunners on body shots with my Plasma.

Or extra Boss Damage.

[bitter turtle]

if they are that bad

then they would not be able to do something like fight their way to the coil, make space, and switch it in clandestium gloriana 1st event anyway

[umbral parrot]

You lied! x3

[bitter turtle]

it is easier to hold as 3 while turtling than move as 4 to the obj under gunners and bombers and shit

[bitter turtle]

huh

let me check

i stg the icon went off the moment i pressed it

unlike the others

[umbral parrot]

I have FTE which is why you saw that 100 extra damage increase.

I knew i was not crazy. I tested it before to see if i could 1 shot Crushers.

Wait, why did i even doubt myself and even went to test this out? This is my go to 1 shot Muties talent.

I can say with full confidence that it does work! x3

[bitter turtle]

are you sure

you are not just attacking immediately

before the 5 seconds are up from teh point you activated stealth

cus

here

i got a recording

unless FS buff icons are lying

u can see FTE running down and i havent even left stealth

[umbral parrot]

Wait, wait... i thought you were talking about Surprise Attack.

[bitter turtle]

no

im talking about FTE

of course surprise attack works on breaking stealth

it literally says it does

on the skill

...not that that means anything, given FS tooltips

[umbral parrot]

No, i'm saying it works before going into stealth.

[umbral parrot]

See! Background is green from still being in stealth.

[bitter turtle]

FTE or Sneak attack

[umbral parrot]

The 2491 is with Surprise Attack and LTE, and the 2076 is just LTE

1937 is just basic.

[bitter turtle]

cus now im not sure what we're talking about anymore

[umbral parrot]

What was the question again?

[tall torrent]

FTE starts expiring after using infiltrate

[bitter turtle]

my point is

FTE + infil is bad

because you wast emultiple seconds of the buff

unelss you like

break stealth

[neat stratus]

I cant prove it but this game hates extreme memory profile (XMP)

[bitter turtle]

IMMEDIATELY

[umbral parrot]

I do that!

[neat stratus]

A testament though, I get crashes, but only when its on

[umbral parrot]

I use Inf/Break right in front of most enemies.

[bitter turtle]

yea well i dont necessarily think a talent that only gets value if i cut the effect of my ability down from 8 seconds to 1 sounds all th at worth 1 point

[umbral parrot]

Unless i see FLamers or Gunners. You want to use up as much of FTE as possible.

Let me see

I'm able to add 7 attacks with my Power Sword before LTE runs out.

[bitter turtle]

you eman FTE right?

just jmaking sure

lol

[umbral parrot]

FTE! x3

I was thinking of work, that's why!

[bitter turtle]

well anyway

you can run it if you like

i was just explaining why there is an anti synergy

since typically when you stealth

yuo are trying to you know

go somewhere or do something

not just break it instantly for a 5 seccond buff

[umbral parrot]

I mean, there's different play styles to just about everything. I just use what works and i know it works. But to be fair, i'm kinda unorthodox like that.... WHICH IS WHY I LOVE VETERAN

~~UNLIKE #ogryn-class ~~

7... 8-ish? I can crack 8 if i had attack speed i bet!

[bitter turtle]

well

i hope u are running CQKZ at least then

since that one actually DOES work well with stealth

and its a bigger buff

[umbral parrot]

So does Marksman. It's so fun! But.... no. Surprise attack instead. If i can swap out FTE for CQKZ or Marksman, I would in a heartbeat!

[bitter turtle]

you can

[umbral parrot]

Huh!?

Wait, am i missing something?

[bitter turtle]

o wait

i get what you mean now

u dont have any extra points at all

i was gonna say you naturally path to cqkz taking infiltrate

so 🤔

[umbral parrot]

Yea....

[bitter turtle]

that is

a build alright

[austere mica]

I mean

It’s

Mostly

Ok

[umbral parrot]

And it works like a damn charm

[pastel pumice]

IT might be an eyesore

But if it works

It works

[umbral parrot]

HAVOC 37.

and 3 3 3 Stamina! ❤️

[pastel pumice]

guh

[umbral parrot]

I love my Stamina soooo much

[bitter turtle]

not even top dmg smh

jk

[umbral parrot]

PSYKER!@#@ !$#!$

[bitter turtle]

yea

[umbral parrot]

NOT FAIR! I wish i can shoot fire out of my palms!

[bitter turtle]

i beat every psyker i play with lol

its not even close

https://i.gyazo.com/1c5e8471f263bb9ccfa33e7b465368b0.png

[umbral parrot]

@#!~$$

[pastel pumice]

best I can do is spam my nades

[umbral parrot]

Show your build! Now!

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/ce7b53930834a1e731f31dd22ebfe1a0.png

[umbral parrot]

WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?

[bitter turtle]

not taking fte with infiltrate

that's what

jk

[umbral parrot]

Gottem!

[bitter turtle]

sec

[umbral parrot]

Yus yus!

[bitter turtle]

putting it together on the tree

you know what

im just gonna make

aan acount

and just post the build

so i dont need to do this

every single time lol

[umbral parrot]

You don't need an account for GamesLatern.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[bitter turtle]

i need one if i want to save the build

or it deletes it

[umbral parrot]

Oh, i see.

[bitter turtle]

after idk 30 days or something

[umbral parrot]

What the heck!? 14k Damage!? I'm mad!

Going to remove Iron Will for CQKZ to catch up!

More Damage just for bragging rights! Hmmph

I'm calm, i'm cool!

[bitter turtle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dc48498-40ed-45cb-adb4-730104868e3e/havoc40-recon-ds4-infil

there

[tame lodge]

Another day
another weird ass picture that is peak

[cyan verge]

that's a godly icon

[bitter turtle]

i worked very hard on that picture

[cyan verge]

godly

[bitter turtle]

it took me about 5 seconds in paint

here was my previous work

#veteran-class message

please take a look and enjoy

[pastel pumice]

why did i open chat

and see peak

Fate is so peak

What is that edit though lmao

wait is that fate, its been years

[bitter turtle]

actually

i hate fate

fuck nasu

and his eggplant ass

[cyan verge]

whoa

[pastel pumice]

Oh it is

[bitter turtle]

so anyway

[pastel pumice]

lmaoo

[cyan verge]

rip in piece

[pastel pumice]

Do a dandadan edit

[cyan verge]

so do you run the VIc or the XIV, probably the VIc huh

[pastel pumice]

actually no that wouldnt make sense

[bitter turtle]

6

14 cant cleave

12 wastes too much ammo

[bitter turtle]

i dont like dandadan either

[pastel pumice]

What do you like

[cyan verge]

I like slayers

[bitter turtle]

https://x.com/lesbisnm/status/1866256970183045476

jupiter ⚔️ (@lesbisnm) on X

me about anything

Twitter · Dec 9, 2024, 11:01 PM

this complicated chart explains my way of critiquing a work

[pastel pumice]

oh so you're into yuri

Hmm i do not know of many anime with that

[cyan verge]

utena

[bitter turtle]

yea

kinda

utena is more like proto yuri

[pastel pumice]

what is proto

[cyan verge]

like

[pastel pumice]

Kinda kinda not?

[cyan verge]

the progenitor

prototype

[umbral parrot]

Woah.....

[cyan verge]

prototypical

[bitter turtle]

its one of the series that laid the foundation for future series but it isn't quite as gay as things now

[umbral parrot]

Also, sorry, i don't watch anime. Don't know what the image is referencing too! x3

[pastel pumice]

oh hes not important

[bitter turtle]

now this

this is peak

[pastel pumice]

its the grenades cropped into frame

[pastel pumice]

You got me squinting

What am I reading

[umbral parrot]

What's going on!?

[pastel pumice]

Have you seen citrus

[bitter turtle]

in the LN this was an uninterrupted 7 page mental breakdown

[pastel pumice]

I think you have

[inland orchid]

Most average vet ramble

[bitter turtle]

yes its meh

[pastel pumice]

I think you liked it too

[inland orchid]

[pastel pumice]

Citrus was ok

[bitter turtle]

if i had to name favorites

adachi to shimamura (the above)

wataoshi

[umbral parrot]

Lol, this is making me sad! x3

[pastel pumice]

seen

[umbral parrot]

D'aw...

[pastel pumice]

and heard

your taste is immaculate

[umbral parrot]

I can't be sad when i'm trying to Darktide!

[pastel pumice]

fork its okay

Dont be sad

[bitter turtle]

dont worry

[pastel pumice]

be happy

Happy veterans carry the team

[bitter turtle]

they start dating

not because of that uh

[umbral parrot]

GOOD!

[bitter turtle]

breakdown though

[umbral parrot]

I HOPE SO!

Yea, hits a bit too close to home lol

[pastel pumice]

power of manga

relating to readers

[hollow ibex]

a disgrace to abe shinzo's legacy

[wicked epoch]

Res shout is actually really useful for DH

[bitter turtle]

i'd give the shooter a handshake

[umbral parrot]

Oh boy, i need to do a backflip or like..... drink or something x3

Clear my head

[wicked epoch]

The moment your buddy gets downed you can just pop it and hes up no problem

[bitter turtle]

fuck abe

[pastel pumice]

yeah...

[wicked epoch]

Im starting to actually like shout res

[pastel pumice]

But i also like shoutiing every 10 seconds

[umbral parrot]

^

And a larger radius of shout.

[cyan verge]

shout res is bad

[pastel pumice]

no

shout res is good

[austere mica]

But then you’re holding your ult waiting for that

[wicked epoch]

its actually useful

[pastel pumice]

But objectively

no shout res is gooder

[wicked epoch]

Its just normal shout is too Op

[pastel pumice]

bebber

[cyan verge]

it is horrifically bad

[wicked epoch]

it is a skill issue

[umbral parrot]

True

[pastel pumice]

dont hate on homie because of his haircut

[wicked epoch]

you can still be combat effective with it

[cyan verge]

it is a skill issue to use it in the first place

[wicked epoch]

it is a skill issue to complain of a tool

instead of using it better

[bitter turtle]

oh yeah

[wicked epoch]

if we had shout res on cadia it wouldve been fine

[cyan verge]

it is by definition planning to fail 'if someone goes down I can pick them up' why not just shout and then no one goes down

[wicked epoch]

cadia just got downed

[pastel pumice]

Cadian Comedian over here

[bitter turtle]

about the series too

[wicked epoch]

better to plan for failure than to have no plan at all when shit goes down

[bitter turtle]

they don't just start dating

[wicked epoch]

You never know whatll happen lol

[bitter turtle]

they date in every concievable timeline because ayyyliens

[umbral parrot]

Speaking of, what's it called? Sounds good.

[bitter turtle]

or something

adachi to shimamura

[umbral parrot]

Oh.... that went... crazy lol

[wicked epoch]

in the context of playing with randos and people youve never met, its useful

[bitter turtle]

its not as weird as it sounds

[cyan verge]

it changes the downtime on gold toughness from 15s with 15s uptime, to 30s downtime with 15s uptime, that's pretty terrible

[bitter turtle]

just a background thing

[umbral parrot]

Lol

[bitter turtle]

the series is mostly introspective about two socially inept people

maybe socially inept is the wrong word

one is socially inept

[wicked epoch]

meh if its bad for you then its bad for you

[bitter turtle]

one just doesn't give a fuck

[austere mica]

That name is eternally cursed for me

[bitter turtle]

why

persona 4?

[austere mica]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

its funny

i no longer think of him anymore

when i hear the name adachi

he can fuck right off anyway

[austere mica]

I played it too recently

[wicked epoch]

ypu probably would blow a blood vessel if i told you i had both shout vet and the faster res time

[cyan verge]

with the knockdown that comes with shout INHERENTLY, again, every 15s, you can afford to shout then immediately pick someone up by pressing E on them, you don't need to waste one of your valuable talents, to be able to pick people up without pressing E while also making your shout significantly worse

[bitter turtle]

i dont think i will play atlus games anymore tbh

[pastel pumice]

just do what i do

[austere mica]

Metaphor was so fucking good though

[wicked epoch]

in the off chance someone pisses off a demonhost and dies theres not enough time to do that lol

[pastel pumice]

Grenade + Shout + Hold E

[wicked epoch]

or if you really need to keep the dps on a horde

[bitter turtle]

after the p3 remake cutting kotone out

[pastel pumice]

Shout + Grenade + Hold E

[umbral parrot]

Found it! Adding it to my tabs and hope i remember to read it.

[wicked epoch]

oh yeah thats a fun strat i love it

[cyan verge]

in in addition, you also get less radius, which is pretty important, because it reduces the radius of your shout from like 9m to 6m, which is less than coherency

[bitter turtle]

make sure you're reading the moke. version

[pastel pumice]

Someone goes down? Remember my combo

[bitter turtle]

there are two manga

[wicked epoch]

reminder of my old space marine 1 days where i would just throw nades and run away

[bitter turtle]

one was interrupted

[pastel pumice]

Grenade + Shout + Hold E

Lol

[wicked epoch]

aint so bad to just get in and out

Personal experience its just fine

[bitter turtle]

https://dynasty-scans.com/series/adachi_and_shimamura_moke_ver <- one that's actually ongoing

or read the LN or something idk

[cyan verge]

this means that you can't cover your team in gold toughness quite so easily which means, you are probably directly failing to hit your allies with that ability, which is probably contributing to them going down in the first place

shout rez is bad

[wicked epoch]

meh im glued to my team

[umbral parrot]

Roger that.

[wicked epoch]

so i still get em with gold toughness

[bitter turtle]

shout res in a vacuum is not the worst thing in the world

the thing that makes it worse though

[wicked epoch]

just compared to other options its somewhat meh

[bitter turtle]

is the opportunity cost

[wicked epoch]

id say that yeah

[bitter turtle]

that 1 point could have gone into something that actually makes a difference

[wicked epoch]

works fine on mine

[cyan verge]

that's exactly what I just said, but yes you're right

[bitter turtle]

rather than something that kinda nerfs and buffs you at thes ame time so you dont really gain much

[umbral parrot]

I'd say it needs a buff still

[cyan verge]

veteran has a TON of great talents at the bottom of the tree

[umbral parrot]

It's the Radius that's the worst. Shout can save a team from being blasted by burster.

[cyan verge]

you want as many as you can get

[wicked epoch]

i mean its good enough to play a damnation in

[austere mica]

Anything shout related does not need a buff in any way

[cyan verge]

oh

damnation

[fierce lily]

so you're breathing

[wicked epoch]

its alright enough to be alright-ish in an auric

i personally dont touch aurics much

Havocs sometimes

but i just like playing damns for fun

[umbral parrot]

True, but i just hate seeing useless talents. Someone at Fatshark worked really hard typing this all in!

[cyan verge]

if you mean like generic damnation, you won't doom your team, but in this channel we usually try to talk about, what is objectively the best options you can take for the highest possible difficult missions

and not just. oh well this is OK sometimes

[austere mica]

I disagree with this on account of how faulty tooltips are in general

[tall torrent]

What about MyGO

[bitter turtle]

that counts

so does girls band cry

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[umbral parrot]

WELL.... still!

[wicked epoch]

i think they should probably just lessen the nerf on the shout res

[bitter turtle]

myGO is bandori which is related to d4dj wshich has canon lesbians anyway

[wicked epoch]

what on earth is that

[bitter turtle]

do you actually want an answer

or is that rhetorical

[wicked epoch]

no please

[fierce lily]

my favourite part is that when a node says replenishes it's usually a modifier to increase a source of toughness generated but out for blood generates 5% so it just works different because yeah

[wicked epoch]

no answer please

[fierce lily]

the shout node doesn't need a range reduction

[umbral parrot]

Yus, do tell!

[bitter turtle]

its an anime about a band

there

[umbral parrot]

I like music...

[wicked epoch]

nOooo

[bitter turtle]

i answered you specifically to defy you

[fierce lily]

the only reason it needs a cooldown increase is because well, shout so fast

[cyan verge]

I think it needs a rework entirely since if you make it too OP it could prevent anyone being downed causing any problems for your team ever, so you can't make it too strong, and as it is now it's just a trap option... and shout is already OP as is, so like idk what the heck you can do, maybe just remove it entirely and just have one augment for shout

[pastel pumice]

new pfp is fire

[wicked epoch]

and because normal shout can regen so fast, it gets overshadowed

[pastel pumice]

we're feeling spiteful tonight arent we

[bitter turtle]

i only change dit on someone's request

lul

[fierce lily]

yeah nerfing vets only truly functional ability by taking a node does that

[bitter turtle]

i dont really like using pfps that arent my own art

feels like

STEALING

or something

[umbral parrot]

Well, it's a good request!

Oh, i gotcha.

[pastel pumice]

how would it be stealing

[wicked epoch]

it still aint that bad for me atleast

[umbral parrot]

This is why i use the machine spirit to generate my own art.

[pastel pumice]

only counts if youre like, selling/marketing it as your own lol

[bitter turtle]

i dont like using art without telling the artist im using it

[pastel pumice]

Speaking of art

my banner was made by a friend for me

[bitter turtle]

or getting their permission

its just an artist thing

[pastel pumice]

It's so peak

[bitter turtle]

a lot of jp artists dont like it

[austere mica]

That’s worse

[umbral parrot]

Well, i ain't stealing or selling it so it's fine!

Besides, it's cute~ ❤️

[pastel pumice]

See

[wicked epoch]

is it bad to just download something off google to use it as a pfp

[pastel pumice]

No

[austere mica]

That’s the thing though

[bitter turtle]

ai art is generally considered stealing from artists as well since you're using their art without their permission to teach it

[austere mica]

You are stealing it

[wicked epoch]

good because i didnt even do that either

[fierce lily]

I personally can get bored and sleepy in a reg damnation, under higher pressure it's just worse. I want to use other abilities but they have a points tax

[austere mica]

You are stealing it and giving the thief money via ad rev

[fierce lily]

my PFP is one I commissioned so is very ethical

[umbral parrot]

Oh yea... huh

Still looks good tho!

[wicked epoch]

i can probably use it in higher difficulties if i wanted to

if i wanted to

[fierce lily]

you can

[wicked epoch]

its really just a commissar roleplay build i did

[fierce lily]

you can use a lot of things on higher difficulty

[wicked epoch]

its actually solidly fun

[fierce lily]

but it actively makes the ability worse

[umbral parrot]

But i should commission some 40k art soon.

[bitter turtle]

i will share my art bc why not

[fierce lily]

which makes things harder

[bitter turtle]

at least a small section of it

[wicked epoch]

which makes things funner

[umbral parrot]

If it's good, i'll pay!

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/42e0cc8031f63cda554932ad0e92c9a5.png

[pastel pumice]

self plug

[umbral parrot]

That is good!

[bitter turtle]

still working on this one

[wicked epoch]

i drew a dreadnought once

imma look for it

[fierce lily]

oh yeah that's nice

[pastel pumice]

now draw her drinking juice

[umbral parrot]

You do 40k too? Lol!

[bitter turtle]

i just draw my OCs unless someone asks me to do something else lol

[wicked epoch]

i never touched a pencil again

[umbral parrot]

THAT'S GOOD TOO!

[umbral parrot]

Draw my Darktide Character!

[wicked epoch]

id draw more but i dont like it being on paper

i like actually holding stuff

so i just paint models

imma send some

[bitter turtle]

maybe if you remember to ask after i finish this one

still working on a lot of it

its a character sheet

and that's just the top half of the first pose

there are like 6

lol

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[umbral parrot]

What the frick!? Good at Darktide and can draw!? Dang it!

[tall torrent]

The most “art” I did was “writing” a piano piece

[umbral parrot]

I'm calm, i'm cool! I just have to remember that i'm awesome too! x3

[wicked epoch]

jasper kyd is shivering

[umbral parrot]

RIP, too many images.

[wicked epoch]

rip indeed

[umbral parrot]

I need to practice creativity. But i hate doing creative stuff. AHHH!

[wicked epoch]

its probably not just what your really creative about

[umbral parrot]

I literally bought paint and the Combat Patrol for the Imperial Guards and now both are gathering dust.

[bitter turtle]

the only two things that matter in life, right?

darktide and drawing anime girls

[umbral parrot]

Well....

About that....

[umbral parrot]

I prefer dudes

[wicked epoch]

real and true

[wicked epoch]

its honestly just a matter of time till you get struck by something that makes you wanna do it

[umbral parrot]

That's what i'm hoping for. But i'm also scared of messing up on painting lol

[wicked epoch]

be more scared of never trying

[fierce lily]

I have been stopped from painting my models because every IF tutorial started with an airbrush

[wicked epoch]

white or pink primer

[umbral parrot]

Regardless... still the best 160 bucks i've ever spent. FOR THE GAURD!

[wicked epoch]

I painted a fist once

sure it was pain but it wasnt that bad

[umbral parrot]

Man...

Painting models, anime girls, and on top of that, good at Darktide? You guys are cooler than me!

[wicked epoch]

I can paint white on world eaters pretty well it really isnt that bad to paint that stuff

[wicked epoch]

if you compare yourself to people like that then you’ll lose the motivation to try

we arent cooler than you at all

atleast not me

because all of us are cool in their own rights

[umbral parrot]

Yea, you're right. I forgot that i'm awesome. Whoops~!

[bitter turtle]

speak for yourself

im the coolest

jk

[fierce lily]

not the best for someone learning

[umbral parrot]

x3

[bitter turtle]

im pathetic

[umbral parrot]

CHILL!

[bitter turtle]

[fierce lily]

getting an even coat that is also a decent coat

[umbral parrot]

I hate when people say that!

[fierce lily]

put me off of it

[wicked epoch]

you can just buy a soray can

spray

[silver yoke]

Joining the discord to see all the beautiful veteran guides in Pinned.
Exactly what i wanted/needed

[wicked epoch]

Or contrast paint

[fierce lily]

discontinued 2 months before I got into the hobby

[wicked epoch]

pain

pure pain.

[umbral parrot]

Well well... you get 14k damage and can draw. I'd say you're badass to the max!

[wicked epoch]

Heard of the templar brethren then?

its mostly black with only yellow heads

[umbral parrot]

Oh my gosh, i'm going to do a backflip!

[wicked epoch]

still imperial fists

but its a horus heresy thing

looks cooler than the BT or IF scheme honestly

[austere mica]

Wait 14k total or 14k in one shot

[wicked epoch]

@fierce lily

[umbral parrot]

140k*

[fierce lily]

I am a fan of the legion paint scheme

[austere mica]

140k total is like

[wicked epoch]

so just yellow

[austere mica]

Terrible

[wicked epoch]

Oh well

[fierce lily]

no I mean

[umbral parrot]

Wait... I don't know my numbers!

[austere mica]

I do more overkill almost always

[fierce lily]

the paints schemes they had back when they were the legion

before chapters

[wicked epoch]

yeah, they had yellow didnt they?

[umbral parrot]

1444k!*

[fierce lily]

I am trying to include this in that statement

[wicked epoch]

the fists were always yellow, only a few of their detachments had special schemes

[bitter turtle]

appreciate it

lmao

[umbral parrot]

Don't! I said 14k instead of 1444k!!!!

[wicked epoch]

this?

Oh this looks neat

I should make my dow fists look like that

[fierce lily]

all the old legionary and how it's prominently black and yellow I just enjoy

whichever one is the primary

[wicked epoch]

my brain is lagging

[fierce lily]

I like yellow and black trim

I like black and yellow trim

the black with yellow trim is good for me to start out with

so good idea

thank you

[umbral parrot]

I'm in a good mood now. This is cool!

Okay... fine, i'll paint in a bit.

[wooden moat]

thats a first

[umbral parrot]

With Christmas coming around, i should have a bit of free time to at least open up my combat patrol box.

[wooden moat]

awesomers

[umbral parrot]

So hyped~! Not working on Christmas!

[wooden moat]

jokes on you christmas break hit me since last friday

[umbral parrot]

Frick!

Yea, well... i'm living the 40k experience here! Take that!

[wooden moat]

yeah fair point, all I got going is having to do a karkin essay over the break

[umbral parrot]

Hah!

Jokes on you. I hate school!

[wooden moat]

jokes on you it’s only GED

[umbral parrot]

Pfft, I don't even know what that is!

[wooden moat]

basically an alternative for HS diploma for dropouts and whatnot

[bitter turtle]

Gravity Emission Device

They're trying to collapse the earth into a black hole and kill us all

probably

[umbral parrot]

So... that's what @wooden moat is trying to save us from.

Good work! You deserve that christmas break!

[wooden moat]

awww thanks pookie

[umbral parrot]

❤️

[wooden moat]

anyways make women real

[umbral parrot]

Pass~!

I got more Darktide to do now. Time to get mad over the fact that i can't get good team8s on Party Finder~ ❤️

Catch you guys later.

[tawny timber]

yo new vet cosmetics straight ass??

ok the torso isnt bad

[wooden moat]

Good Luck Brother

[bitter turtle]

i prefer gay asses

personally

[umbral parrot]

Yus

[umbral parrot]

2 words. Candle~!

[wooden moat]

thats one word

[bitter turtle]

send me your DT character btw

if you actually were serious

ill get to it

maybe

at some point

have a lot of things to deal with first but

[tawny timber]

i want someone to droip hot candle wax on my body

[bitter turtle]

also if they're male i cant draw them

[umbral parrot]

Man, now i'm getting all shy now.

RIP my Ogryn.

[bitter turtle]

unless they're a boy that looks like a girl

unlikely given DT but

[wooden moat]

Thats just a femboy brother

[umbral parrot]

That's... for a different setting outside of DT.

OH ACTUALLY

[wooden moat]

might as well draw a Slaneshi twink

[umbral parrot]

Shush!

We're all fodder for the grinder. May as well look cute when meeting that war machine.

[bitter turtle]

i imagine my character to be a cute and cool girl under the krieg mask

like those kriegers that jp artists draw

[umbral parrot]

I've seen them... it's bomb.

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

[umbral parrot]

Fine, i'll send references once i'm done.

[bitter turtle]

she's so cool

[umbral parrot]

Damn.... that's cool.

[bitter turtle]

actually

i think thats a chinese ar tist

iirc

whatever

[umbral parrot]

Anime style art*

There

[wooden moat]

go back to darking the tide

[umbral parrot]

I am~!

[iron marten]

This reminds me of the dude who drew battlefield 1 anime girls lol

[tawny timber]

least cringe krieg simp

[wooden moat]

god i remember seeing that cursed crap

[umbral parrot]

Out of memory as soon as i lost lol

Also, I KNEW we lost the moment the console player was like "What's Field imp"

So pissed because i knew that player was bad the moment i accepted.

Was going to accept a level 500 Zealot. But this ding-bat Q'ed up as well and pushed down the Zealot player and accidentally invited the bad one! NOOOOO

Was kinda funny tho lol

[wooden moat]

ik you may tear out my spine for asking this but what’s field imp?

[umbral parrot]

Field Improv.

I could bring it. Just don't want to overlap it.

Person could have at least... you know AT LEAST asked.

Be more than happy to explain it.

[wooden moat]

would question a little further but I just imagine it’s a little smth I’m already aware of but just can’t remember jack shit in the game

[umbral parrot]

The one that gives you nades on ammo box and cures corruption

There!

[wooden moat]

oh that one

well hell yeah then

[umbral parrot]

Yea, but don't know if the other vet had it too.

[open urchin]

for the WS double barrel, what should the blessings be?

[hollow bane]

on your build, wouldn't focus target be better than the 10% rending?

[wooden moat]

idek why thats not considered a staple considering how much easier it makes life for everyone

like sure it does nothing when overlapped but even then, it just gives vet more of a reason to stay in a mission

[umbral parrot]

It's prob for this.

That's my best guess. Get the most out of bleeding.

[hollow bane]

oh fair

[umbral parrot]

I need to try that build soon

[tall torrent]

Rending matters more for recon which has bad ADMs across the board

[silver yoke]

Is Stamina Regen Delay a better pick than Invigorated?

[wanton dawn]

I would argue on why keystoneless build have wrapped priority in a world where ft exists and applies teamwide but then again, live and let live

[hollow ibex]

this one image sums up the most intelligent team i had tonight in a span of five matches

[wooden moat]

that seems way too fucking specific to be from a bad teammate

[umbral parrot]

Lol, i do that if someone starts spam pinging.

[hollow ibex]

it was painful but at least we won the match

[warm bolt]

What blessings should i put on a plasmagun

[warm bolt]

da ground needs healing too

[wooden moat]

so you’d rather heal the daemonic filth?

[thorn lark]

https://1drv.ms/w/c/e2a0a519389b2f30/EciPxKdXTJlPiEj2LUHKr58BbN_LckMOC4bba3qnlO8THg

[warm bolt]

The medkit is actually hand sanitizer, so it heals rejects and doesnt heal any enemies

[umbral parrot]

That would assume my Ogryn is clean tho

[warm bolt]

Oh i really ought to bookmark this one, thanks!

[warm bolt]

He's clean for an ogryn

[umbral parrot]

Lol

[wooden moat]

aka, his right foot doesn’t have mush on it

[umbral parrot]

Going to take a break from HAVOC. A good run

[wooden moat]

eh idk, sounded like more console shenanigans

[calm shard]

vigilant autogun 1 shot bodyshotting basic shooters is a power trip on havoc wherre those little fuckers are the biggest threat

[lime pendant]

I bolt pistol mobs because chunky salsa and I won’t apologize for it.

I’m also a filthy casual who plays for funsies

[unreal nova]

Only headshots. Unless maulers. Booming heads is always fun.

[unreal nova]

You play on controller and the ping button is up on the DPad. GL hitting it without taking damage or dying. Unless Sedition diff or so.

[wanton dawn]

I also have an opinion on that but again, live and let live

Though it is certainly on fs to fix console binding issue

[unreal nova]

Is a game to have fun with anyway.

[bitter turtle]

i dont value ft as much since it doesnt synergize well with nade cause you can only tag 1 enemy at a time

the build is throw nade first and everything else is secondary consideration

[vital wren]

How tf did I go to sleep and this turned into a convo about Adachi to Shimamura?! That I mostly missed? 😄

[bitter turtle]

[vital wren]

Truly the will of the Emperor is unknowable to mortals.

[unreal nova]

Things just happen. Still the sanest chat though.

[vital wren]

Peak

Quick progression from Unlimited 'Nade Works too, impressive. 🙂

[wicked epoch]

they are oddly weak

[unreal nova]

I mean, what do vets do in their free time.

[bitter turtle]

sure had an interesting teammate last run

https://i.gyazo.com/9945a66b001c9e12ec5d1ebf93726e50.png

[loud belfry]

they're an expert in their own way (it's a bad way)

[sullen jackal]

please do not be the veteran with only 5 ranged elites killed in damnation thank you goodbye :x

[bitter turtle]

You can't stop me

[sullen jackal]

ok at least kill all hordes forever so i can shoot the gunners before they overwhelm and kill us all then

[vital wren]

But that person only picked up 27 ammo items, how could they have killed more?

[bitter turtle]

I honestly

Have no idea how they killed so little with so much ammo

They were plasma

[unreal nova]

Were they just ded?

[bitter turtle]

Quite often yeah but still

[vestal widget]

probably just being late to half the kills too with plasma firing delay

[sullen jackal]

i must become. Bigger. More shootier. I MUST KILL MORE ELITES AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

also this should have been ogryn chat but meh

[bitter turtle]

Oger

[warm bolt]

Ogres, m'lord

[red laurel]

Anyone know what I should build with the Recon Lasgun?