veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

but now he gets some agri ix tips whether he wanted to or not

[storm badge]

Thanks for the tips though @faint beacon

[faint beacon]

Outdamaged plasma and Bolter users with one of the most lukewarm guns in the game 🚬

Buff it’s fucking maniac damage and it’s immediately strong as hell

[storm badge]

Im guessing its the usual Flak/Maniac then?

[faint beacon]

Yeah though

You can do Flak/Un

Flakiac is just better cause if it’s insanely poor ADM against Maniacs

But Unarmored and Flak lets you instantly drop gunners in one Salvo with the Agri IX regardless of Crit or not

[grand perch]

its okay its just my second that i never check

[storm badge]

What melee do you typically pair with the A9? @faint beacon

[mossy oasis]

Is mercy killer blessing for the knife (60% weakspot on bleeding enemies) good with frag grenades?

or should i take some other blessing?

[wanton dawn]

I think relying on 'nade to make the blessing works is not a good idea

[grand perch]

i suppose you could if you absolutely need that point for serrated edge somewhere else

[wanton dawn]

It's way too much work

[hearty panther]

ive never accepted this strange love for mercy killer

[grand perch]

i just do rashad

[wanton dawn]

Well, it is good with serrated and an ally with better source of bleed ig

[hearty panther]

functional sure

[wanton dawn]

I don't like knife

[hearty panther]

good? no

[wanton dawn]

am a PS one trick pony

[crisp oak]

Its fine tbh

It does help with weakpoint damage

And tbh the other knife blessings are a bit eh

I dont like precog

[wanton dawn]

In any case though, it is not good if it require a grenade throw to work

[crisp oak]

Pmuch

You are either taking the tax blessings, or the tax talent nodes

I run the tax talent nodes, because I like it

[hearty panther]

even then you could just take precog

youd benefit your crits too instead of only headshots

with no bleed prerequisite and just a dodge first

idk mercy killer is stinky

[crisp oak]

But then why not just use a dueling sword

If you are going to use it the same way

[grand perch]

man i love clandestium gloriana

i dont love it at havoc 36

one DH at the start and youre fucked with nowhere to fall back to

[crisp oak]

I dont like gloriana

[grand perch]

one of my favorite maps for auric + mael

[crisp oak]

The bridges at the beggining....

[paper trellis]

That’s the one with the massive open air bridge leading straight to a dh spawn location as you get up the stairs yeah?

[grand perch]

theres like 3 dh spots at the start yeah

this map

[paper trellis]

Where you either duck in the right side and get cornered, or some jackass triggers it and immediately dc’s so it teleports to you as you duck into the corner

[crisp oak]

Yup

Hate the first half of it

[paper trellis]

Oh I’m thinking of the other one with a terrible spawn location

[crisp oak]

That sorta seem recylced

[paper trellis]

Where you have to hop over the rampart then cross the 2 smaller bridges

Legitimately had the most frustrating wipe on that map yesterday

[wanton dawn]

More frustrating than dying on the last elevator of any map ?

[paper trellis]

Yes

[wanton dawn]

More frustrating than dying on the last elevator of the freaking desert map which can take 1h if your team do not advance ?

[paper trellis]

Found the safe route, marked it, typed in chat where to go, 2 others get in the corner with me, and last dude waits like 30 seconds before Leeroying into the dh and then immediately dcing when he pissed it off

[paper trellis]

Admittedly that map is just ass in general. Especially with the massive frame drops there

It teleports to me because he dc’d and I barely get out of the corner, only for a pack of 6 crushers to spawn in the other side

[faint beacon]

I swap between a lot of things but anything that’s good at general horde clear.

Caxe with BM + HT, Heavy Sword, Mk1 Shovel, Power Sword

If it doesn’t have a decent carapace option run Kraks

[paper trellis]

As a side note, why does the guide recommend elite and flak on plasma

[candid agate]

anyone know what the patch today did?

[tall torrent]

Because they help with breakpoints

[torpid quail]

Can't wait to get my moebian lasgun

[crisp oak]

Cant wait to get my moebian steel knife

[paper trellis]

Gotcha. That breakdown makes more sense

Odd that ppl recommend it so much for weapon specialist then

[pastel pumice]

@tall torrent W guide

Keep up the good work

[tall torrent]

Most people do not understand breakpoints

If u take weapon specialist u have 2 options for meeting breakpoints

1. Dropping survivalist and taking fire team

2. Take red nodes and cope for the best (needs red nodes active or crits for breakpoint)

Rising heat can help u meet the flamer 1HS without redirect fire / fire team but it takes 2 shots to get the first stack

So u need crit / red node if u want those first 2 shots to maintain breakpoint

[paper trellis]

Not a fan of using red nodes for hitting breakpoints, will reconfigure that build

[tall torrent]

In havoc red nodes are huge

I run a different talent build for plasma in havoc

[paper trellis]

Yeah they do help there admittedly

Mostly tinkering with it now since I haven’t had a good roll on it till now

[tall torrent]

This is for havoc

[wanton dawn]

Not taking 33% reduc on team coherency ?

[broken spade]

is there any relevant plasma breakpoints for havoc?

[hollow rose]

did i got gud gamers

[tall torrent]

It’s good but I think right side path is better for havoc

Faster frag throw, gain toughness from all enemies, faster move speed

[wanton dawn]

It's literally 1 point though

[radiant chasm]

And vet has a lot of good 1 points

[tall torrent]

Yea u could take it

[paper trellis]

Yeah that’s very similar to what I’m running apart from the aura. But I can see where I can change it to fit

[hollow rose]

now people will add me to every lobby thinking I know what im doing with my 40lvl clearance

[paper trellis]

Tbf I run right side at top most of the time so I can keep my toughness in that over 75% zone and for the move speed

And honestly will be fun to have an excuse for grenade tinkerer

[pastel pumice]

Orange circles indicate alternatives?

@tall torrent

[tall torrent]

Yea

[pastel pumice]

Ah alright

[paper trellis]

Haven't run ws in havoc yet, should be fun

[paper trellis]

Anyone tested the boltor in havoc? How does it hold up?

[grand perch]

havent used it but the reload must be painful

[paper trellis]

I’d say ws, but I hate that swap speed

[vital wren]

executioner + WS 😄

[paper trellis]

I have mentioned several times how much I hate exe stance lmao

[vital wren]

Most will be using VoC in Havoc too

[paper trellis]

Completing my left side penances to be free was a wonderful feeling

[vital wren]

I feel that

[terse idol]

Me sitting here having beat an auric maelstrom

havoc rank still 1

Do they not put you up on a different havoc for every week?

Or do you just get stuck on 1 if your havoc rank the first week was 1?

[verbal burrow]

I had a wholesome moment

Met a guy whilst fucking around in difficulty 4

A vet player who had just returned

And he says

"Gee I wish I had a better toughness economy so I didn't die all the time"

And I just went

https://tenor.com/view/kong-apocalypse-now-chaos-smiling-explosion-gif-17522854

relogged to Marrick

And showed him the meaning of toughness

Apparently it was very inspirational

[tawny timber]

he cried

and shat himself

[verbal burrow]

No

He has now also switched to Krak, Fire Team, Toughness Shout, Focus Target

[tawny timber]

he pissed himself?

krak 🤢

[verbal burrow]

I even deradicalized him, and he switched away from rez shout

[tawny timber]

res shout is a bottom tier node

[verbal burrow]

I explained to him that it merely functioned to increase the recharge time of toughness shout

I also explained that him running all wound trinkets didn't help either because toughness gain is a percentage of your maximum toughness

So he is now probably going to join me in running toughness trinkets with the extra toughness perk on them

[vital wren]

doin' the emprah's work

[verbal burrow]

bruh

"You need to have completed an ASS mission"

The characters she is speaking to:

[vital wren]

noobs

[broken spade]

yeah but now you gotta do it with randoms that are absolute dogshit cause all the good players are playing havoc

[verbal burrow]

That means that there's more people to scare by doing my funny psyker joke with the demonhost

The newbros: "WHY DID YOU AGGRO THAT, NOW YOU WILL DIE FOOL"

Me with the funny deflection sword:

https://tenor.com/view/dr-livesey-gif-27452019

I even got stamina curios to increase the effectiveness of his blocking xD

[terse idol]

Just gotta have 3 out of 4 players being good

I played a auric damn yesterday with one newer psyker and a zealot using the wrong build

But easy enough

it was infact a slog

[verbal burrow]

Ah yes another Krieg bundle in the store

With named characters rather than serial numbers

[stable shoal]

New one or the same one last week

[verbal burrow]

Yes but it reminded me that I need to scrap my Helbore to spare myself much pain

Otherwise I might accidentally use it one day

[vapid nacelle]

stuck in an infinite loop with bolt pistol

[hollow ibex]

Dewit

[vapid nacelle]

I use the bolt pistol, I realize that I'm not really doing a whole lot with the bolt pistol in matches, I try to switch to another weapon, I realize I no longer have increased explosion radius on my grenades and that it doesn't feel as fun anymore, repeat

[ebon prism]

what's the dump stat on the boltgun?

[vital wren]

For some reason finding a perfect bolt pistol has been second only to trying to get a perfect plasma for me so far, taking forever.

[vapid nacelle]

is it that specific? I thought it was just 80 mob 60 collateral

[hollow ibex]

Mobility

[ebon prism]

thank you!

[vital wren]

I've just had bad luck!

I have one with 60 mobility for now but don't want to waste mats upgrading it further

[vapid nacelle]

lemme just send you a spare 1m dockets to buy more with lol

I wish

[vital wren]

I'd blow it all on plasma 😄

[vapid nacelle]

I still haven't made a plasma gun

[vital wren]

I have a "good enough" one but...

[vapid nacelle]

I literally just don't have one lol

I'm not interested in it

Not in a "I hate the meta" kind of way but in a "I genuinely just don't like using this weapon" kind of way

[hollow ibex]

It’s just boring

Bolter feels like a gun that takes some chest hair to handle.

Plasmas just

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

[terse idol]

The chest hair when Cavalade and Pinning fire

[vapid nacelle]

like I'm basically just playing melee vet at the moment

I use my bistol to shoot like one or two specialists every half an hour and then go back to grenade spam or knife

[inland orchid]

as fun as it is to make blue soccerball sized holes in anything and everything? ya i agree

[terse idol]

I've been playing a helbore with a DS

On those auric missions with scab only no ammo

And wow

[inland orchid]

when u got a gun that can easily solve problems it can get boring

[terse idol]

Its efficient

Maybe it's a placebo though

[hollow ibex]

Well fun is a very subjective thing it turns out

[terse idol]

Because of how cracked the DS is

[hollow ibex]

Tbf bolter kinda does the same thing

I just like the feeling of it more

[vapid nacelle]

also this is the first time I've gone without iron will and I kinda like it

[inland orchid]

agreed, magdumping with a bolter does feel cooler than magdumping with a plasma gun

[terse idol]

The difference between actual mag dumping and shooting

[inland orchid]

plasma aint lettin me fan this trigger, karking safety settings

[hollow ibex]

Tbf it needs to charge up

[paper trellis]

Same, I still don’t have my bistol. I saw one once and the shop turned over right as I was looking at the stats. I was so mad

[vital wren]

I like PS/plasma just because it's our exclusives. Ain't my fault they are overtuned or w/e.

[hollow ibex]

So can’t really magdump Bolter style anyways

[verbal burrow]

I find bolter magdumping is more efficient against single boss-like entities regardless

Bosses or crushers specifically

[hollow ibex]

It definitely is if you’re trying to delete bosses

[vital wren]

That is pretty satisfying.

The swap is too slow for me and I'm not gonna use Executioner though.

[verbal burrow]

Yeah 2 krak grenades and a bolter magdump on a marked target whilst under the effects of a strength stim is pretty lit

[paper trellis]

Running a boltor one a grenadier setup just feels fitting

[verbal burrow]

Ironically Plasma Rifle has a ridiculously fast equip speed for it's size

[paper trellis]

I’m just curious how it handles in havoc

[terse idol]

The bistol right

[verbal burrow]

I like the Bolter more but I use the Plasma when I need to carry

[paper trellis]

Por que no los dos

Autocorrect is being racist now

[terse idol]

huh?

[paper trellis]

Why not both

[terse idol]

Oh

I mean, imo you run all damage talents and exe for boltgun

Leaves few talents for grenades

[paper trellis]

I really hate exe stance

[terse idol]

Bistol has painful BP's

But because of LP

[paper trellis]

Prefer focus target for that role

[terse idol]

You just do grenades

[terse idol]

Why not both

[paper trellis]

Because I hate exe stance

[terse idol]

I'm running exe and focus target

For bolter

[paper trellis]

I can count on one hand the number of parties I’ve had that went out their way to cover their vets and psykers, and if I am having to swap to melee while in exe stance, I could have just shouted and popped off the problem anyway

[terse idol]

With the changes to exe I don't really feel like any worse off for having ran exe

[paper trellis]

And infiltrate can fill the same role with its 30% damage boost, and I can do so from better positions

[terse idol]

It also opened my mind as to how much I relied on exe where alot of the time you just

Don't take cover

Or the shooters you kinda shrug off for voc

[paper trellis]

Never have had issues with popping shooters with focus target

Between the party damage boost and the increased damage taken by mark, ttk really isn’t any different with exe in my experience

[somber axle]

Exe Stance and Focus Target/Redirect Fire is for breakpoints on the Boltgun. You can do VoC or Infil with Surprise Attack fine but you're going to miss breakpoints so more shots and more ammo spent and slower TTK for better survivability/utility

[paper trellis]

Especially since shout can pop red nodes more consistently too

[verbal burrow]

exe also only buffs yourself

Focus Target + Fire Team just buffs all your subordinates ability to flex

[somber axle]

Plus Exe Stance Boltgun magdump into bosses > VoC stagger Boltgun into boss face

[verbal burrow]

but does this do anything which supercharged regenerating krak nades didn't do

[sleek garden]

do your buddies need the buff to kill a horde when you exy stance to kill the shotgunner conga line before they reach you a mile away

[somber axle]

But it is really funny running a Grenade Tinkerer/Bring It Down/Surprise Attack Krak build to destroy bosses LOL

[sleek garden]

They do different stuff

[paper trellis]

I’m willing to give up the extra shot for voc

[somber axle]

Yeah it kills everything else that Krak doesn't much faster

[paper trellis]

There’s also the factor of I just don’t like how exe stance feels to use

[sleek garden]

I very much like it with how I play veteran

[somber axle]

It's really all down to personal taste and fun tbh

[sleek garden]

a little bit of zoom feels nice on the lasguns

[somber axle]

There's not really an objectively wrong choice to things unless you start climbing Havoc

You can do pretty much anything in Aurics

[crisp oak]

I dont have the positioning for it

[sleek garden]

I have been taking exy stance lasgun into havoc and so far it's been working

but I didn't use it past 30 so far

[paper trellis]

Infantry or helbore?

[sleek garden]

Infantry

I swear they nerfed the size of the beam it feels harder to hit heads

[paper trellis]

Yeah infantry is probably best case scenario with exe stance, but honestly using it against pus targets sucks

[sleek garden]

True, but with sniper and marksmans focus stacks I can still one shot pus scab shooters to the head (so far)

[paper trellis]

Prefer infernus recon in general, especially in havoc

[sleek garden]

the recons are all right

I immediately feel the loss of ghost

[paper trellis]

I like marksman’s focus thematically, don’t enjoy it in practice

Give up focus target for it

And focus target just has so much utility

[sleek garden]

I take marksmans focus with tunnel vision

[paper trellis]

God I hate crabwalking

[sleek garden]

Crab walking?

just shoot heads

[paper trellis]

I finally finished that penance last night. Never again

[sleek garden]

People make it out to be so miserable

There are way more fun ways to do it than crabwalk

such as aiming for the head

Taking a Zarona Shotgun with crits and manstopper

and aiming for the head

[paper trellis]

It’s the number of things you need to kill that makes crabwalking more efficient

[sleek garden]

I see no benefit to crouching everywhere

Except with the autoguns

They have better recoil while crouching

[paper trellis]

Making sure it never falls below 10 apart from when moving between hordes

And I’d rather be able to move in and out of close range as needed

[crisp oak]

I also dont like the left side of the tree

[sleek garden]

you can afford to lose stacks because you build them so fast

[crisp oak]

But I think its cuz I like to play close range

[sleek garden]

It takes at most 4 headshots to get back up to the base 10 stacks

[paper trellis]

But then those kills don’t count for the penance

I was okay with playing it normally every once in a while. But the penance just made it miserable

[sleek garden]

I see

[paper trellis]

And it was always a case of “I could be using focus target instead”

[sleek garden]

I haven't even done the krak grenade penance

I don't care to use it

Not much of a penance hunter

[verbal burrow]

Krak Grenades are lovely regardless of whether a penance exists

[vapid nacelle]

yeah I want to penance hunt but I don't wanna use kraks lol

[sleek garden]

That and voice of command one

[paper trellis]

Krak takes forever due to how many things die before krak goes off

Voice of command was super quick

[sleek garden]

I've used voc on like one build but it felt unnecessary

Just drop frags

[verbal burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/necon-sip-gif-20028267

[crisp oak]

It can also give space to safely drop frags

[sleek garden]

that is what happens when you have a decent team I guess

or when your other teammates are using voice of command

Let's not kid ourselves

Every veteran is using voc

[paper trellis]

Keeps party alive, good for getting mobs off wanderers, great oh shit button, fun in melee

Can’t really blame them

It also has by far the most up time for red nodes

Which admittedly are a little controversial

[sleek garden]

yeah but if the other two people on my team are using chorus and voice of command I'm not going to feel bad about not taking it

[paper trellis]

You don’t have to

That’s the beauty

I’m glad you like exe stance, gives variety

[sleek garden]

now we can kill more efficiently with our varied roles

[inland orchid]

i like rocking exe stance for the sake of the outlines i can give to my squad, that and of course the obvious more shoot incentive

[paper trellis]

You can highlight mofos, and I’ll stab them while yelling about the emperor

[sleek garden]

but people slander marksman role

so I feel defensive

when I do crazy melee stuff I play ogryn

[paper trellis]

It’s not really slander, it’s just a lot of people don’t enjoy it

[sleek garden]

power maul time

[paper trellis]

It’s perfectly viable

[terse idol]

What bp's do you get for exe and FT?

[paper trellis]

I also play zealot so I instinctively mix it up when shit gets in my face

And I don’t have a set party of ppl to play with, so I can’t rely on a party to cover me

[sleek garden]

with lots of guns you start one shotting stuff like scab gunners to the head and bodyshotting little shooters at range with exy I think

might take some other activations

I have tried focus target a few times

[tawny timber]

mk ix inflas becomes insane

[sleek garden]

Its probably most helpful for bosses

[tall torrent]

Boltgun 1 bodyshot gunner & flamer

[sleek garden]

They all become powerhouses

[tall torrent]

Not enough damage to bodyshot shooters

[sleek garden]

Really

my green lasgun seems to do it but I take sniper

[paper trellis]

I mean the point of exe stance is to pop heads

[swift river]

Lasguns have a hard time getting through armor

[paper trellis]

You lose out on half of its damage with a body shot

[sleek garden]

Yes

but it benefits from ranged play especially the helbore and inflas

so if you're cross map sniping in enclavum baross missing a dudes head on the other side of the bridge is not all bad

[paper trellis]

Well yeah. It has no melee damage

[somber axle]

There's some funny breakpoints you could track vs Carapace with it. No FT/RF or Exe Stance probably makes Crushers eat another 2-3+ shots per target

Am not home or I'd do some clown science LOL

[sleek garden]

I'm thinking about trying out the flip shovels

I only use the sapper

[swift river]

Mm, I wouldn't use lasguns on Crushers. Or any gun on crushers, honestly. Just a waste of ammo, usually.

[somber axle]

I do vaguely remember that Bistol hits a breakpoint that Boltgun can't purely because of Deadly Accurate

Bistol can reach 1 shot on Crushers, but even with all buffs active Boltgun will always need 2

[sleek garden]

Sometimes because of the ability modifier I will use marksmans focus for melee

just hit f then swap back to the sword because I need headshot damage from that one modifier

[somber axle]

But no one runs DA on Bistol anyway (plus it uses some funky talent set up to meet the 1 shot)

[sleek garden]

Bolt pistol has fun animations but the bolt gun sounds better

Or I feel it does

[somber axle]

Yeah agreed

[swift river]

I stand by the mantra that if you can't take them out in 1-2 hits, use melee instead

[paper trellis]

Deadly accurate on bistol is an odd choice.

[somber axle]

It was funny clown math testing when Bistol first released

[crisp oak]

Thrust, carapace, and either tag/uncanny stacks

[somber axle]

People didn't know Lethal Proximity affected Shredder Frag Grenades yet so everyone was just throwing things at the wall to see what worked

[crisp oak]

Oneshot crushers

[sleek garden]

But is it a decent melee weapon otherwise

[crisp oak]

Yup

[tall torrent]

Mk7 is ok

[crisp oak]

Mk 7 is the most similar to the mk1

[sleek garden]

I wanted to use take a swing but I kept forgetting to use the push before

[tall torrent]

Mk3 is

[sleek garden]

Is mk3 the green one

I took that into one game

May try again

[swift river]

How does that work out?

[crisp oak]

Mk7 has horizontal heavies and most of the moveset of the mk1

Mk3 feels like a tacaxe for some reason, but without any of the reasons to use it

[paper trellis]

Wouldn’t that just make shredders harder to use if they are proximity?

[tall torrent]

No, u throw 2 frags to deal huge AoE DOT

[paper trellis]

Huh. Would be faster than a drop throw I supposed

[tall torrent]

Lethal proximity increases explosions’ radius

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1316874649174540338/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.12.12_-_16.09.00.02.mp4?ex=675ca296&is=675b5116&hm=18bcb9dffd4e14338a2e52bb6deac6408c6ae84d5397b313bba455cf0cd3da3a&

[inland orchid]

whoever that is that audio wise i love his reaction

[swift river]

So if I'm wielding a gun with Lethal Proximity, my Shredders have a larger radius?

[inland orchid]

Yes

[swift river]

That's odd

[tall torrent]

No, you don’t have to have the gun in hand

[autumn adder]

new meta

[inland orchid]

welcome to blessings

[tall torrent]

It’s an entirely passive bonus

[inland orchid]

oh mb i assumed when he said wield he meant equipped

[tall torrent]

It’s been a thing for almost 6 months

[supple stag]

It's silly

Especially with melee that has uncanny strike

Mk1 Shovel my beloved

[swift river]

While I'm not gonna say no to bigger explosions, I find it weird that any weapon blessing directly affects grenades

I doubt that was intentional

[compact oracle]

huh

does that have any use for krak

[tall torrent]

It’s intended

[hearty panther]

i mean they wrote it to be global and it affects all explosion flags

[tall torrent]

No

[inland orchid]

krak's radius is too small to have a noticable change

[sleek garden]

I used it with the blessing that builds power on repeated hits

[compact oracle]

figures

[hearty panther]

its either an insane oversight or they realized it isnt gonna break the game to include

[inland orchid]

way more noticable with the shredders

[sleek garden]

the lights had good cleave so it was nice

[compact oracle]

...does it work for smoke grenade

[tall torrent]

No

Smoke is not “explosion”

[inland orchid]

not sure it actually counts as a explosive

[compact oracle]

shit, cant blind my entire squad

[hearty panther]

fire grenade neither iirc

doesnt work on crusher (weapon) anymore either

[swift river]

Somehow the Shredder just knows

[sleek garden]

smokes are actually useful but people but teammates will run through it to engage the shooters I'm trying to force out

[inland orchid]

hadron's already blessed most of your weaponry, whats to say she cant bless your grenades too

[compact oracle]

please fatshark i'd love to put traits and blessings on my rock

[swift river]

Blessing of Boom

[hearty panther]

"stop using smokes i cant see the gunners"
"just tag them"
"you fucking expect me to waste my time tagging instead of shooting?"
that was my last pub interaction using smokes lmao

true havoc class operative thinking

tagging is shrimply impossible

[faint beacon]

I mean they got a point

[tawny timber]

bro has short fingers

pressing T is mad easy

[faint beacon]

Why tag when you can kill it

[tawny timber]

por que no los dos?

[tall torrent]

Still works

It affects all explosion effects

[hearty panther]

i was told otherwise

[inland orchid]

i try taging with my shooting imo, never know when i could fumble my killing shot

[hearty panther]

i do not use the crusher

[paper trellis]

Idk I just tag out of habit, if it’s big allows party to be aware of it, if it’s cc party is less likely to get caught because of the shout out

[tall torrent]

It even works for overload blessing’s explosion

[swift river]

Sometimes the Bolt Pistol is weird though...

[hearty panther]

ye that one works

[paper trellis]

The one on relic blade?

[hearty panther]

extends the radius to a whopping 3.75m or something lmao

[tall torrent]

Yea

[tall torrent]

No, 5.625m

[paper trellis]

Weird combo

[tall torrent]

Goes from 4.5 to 5.6

[swift river]

Like I'll have a basic mob zombie tank three or more bolt pistol shots

[paper trellis]

Tbf bistol is legitimately a great gun for zealot

[hearty panther]

beeeg value

[swift river]

Tell me how a regular ass zombie can tank more shots than a Crusher

[paper trellis]

Now if only I could get perfect rolled bistols

[hearty panther]

cause theyre already dead

[swift river]

None of them are dead, we just call them that

[vital wren]

Tagging mod ftw. Doesn't spam either.

[paper trellis]

What it do?

[vital wren]

tags what's in your crosshairs with settings to give it a cooldown or not tag anything new while you have a tag target alive already, stuff like that

can still manual tag ofc and it won't break that if you tell it not to

[paper trellis]

Oh that’s dope

[swift river]

This is why I always remap the tag button to one of my mouse buttons

[paper trellis]

How does it interact with focus target?

[vital wren]

i'm sure you could get more effectiveness doing it manually but at my skill level I'm better off just making sure I tag at all

I think you can toggle the autotagging also, not sure

[swift river]

Just gotta get used to tagging things

If it crosses your field of vision, you tag it

[paper trellis]

I’m more thinking about having a second target tagged

Everything from low light, to sniping, to smokes, a second tag is handy

[swift river]

I don't think you can do that

Tag multiple. Unless you're using exe

[paper trellis]

?

[terse idol]

Manstopper

Throwing knife

[somber axle]

Lethal Proximity boosts the explosion radius and the bleed explosion radius. Pair it with Grenade Tinkerer and see the damage and radius increase more. You get super frags that make for a very fun high damage build LOL

[terse idol]

The railgun throwing knife for zealot

[somber axle]

Also sorry for late response, at work

[vital wren]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/374

[terse idol]

It hasn't been 'fixed' and Fatshark certainly curates certain blessing + weapon combos

[swift river]

It's all good, we got down to it either way

[terse idol]

Like how helbore doesn't benefit from BM

Anymore

So somehow the railgun knife is intended

i guess cause they like it

[paper trellis]

What is the crit rate on knives?

[terse idol]

But they didn't like how the helbore inherited brutal momentum

[paper trellis]

I'm not sure I ever see them crit, only just headshot vs body shot

[swift river]

The implications of the name Grenade Tinkerer always makes me laugh

[terse idol]

You gotta manipulate your kit to get a crit iirc

To confirm it

You don't just be out here throwing 5 knives hoping 1 of them will hit the manstopper crit

[paper trellis]

Thank you

[swift river]

Cause I can't imagine a guardsman having any knowledge of the inner workings of a grenade. So I just imagine them grabbing a grenade and going "Grenade spirit... I need you to blow up, but more." And then he chucks the grenade

[terse idol]

NOW TO BE FAIR

All of our vets are very experienced

[paper trellis]

I mean I could see a veteran getting away with minor tech heresy without anyone noticing

[terse idol]

Even with how goofy loose cannon is i could see him be all like "Okay so, I put this doo-dad in here and this thing blows up really good, ya got it?"

Just don't let the ad mech see

[paper trellis]

Considering shredders are already modified frags

[terse idol]

The weirdest one i have to imagine is how twinned blast works

[vital wren]

I tend to think of it as most of the gear we get is worse than normal. Fully buffed gear is up to full Guard standards haha

[terse idol]

Where the second grenade come from

[paper trellis]

Especially cutthroat, dude is about 2 mins from full on heresy at any moment

[tawny timber]

need this thing

[sleek garden]

Your guy just decides he wants to throw an extra

[terse idol]

He's stupid but not that stupid

[swift river]

Guardsman sitting in a trench, furiously carving away on his grenade with a metal file. "More grooves means more shrapnel! Captain told us so!"

[paper trellis]

Mb wrong word

[crisp oak]

Could explain it as special hrenades from hallowette

[terse idol]

Cutthroat.... mmmmmaybe

Eh naw

[crisp oak]

Ie traded some ork grenades or something

[paper trellis]

What was that one xeno rifle professional wants

[crisp oak]

Is there one, I dont remember hearing about one

[swift river]

That's not the same thing. An Ork could toss a tin of beans and it'd blow up a tank if he believed in it really hard

[terse idol]

Well

IM GONNA PUSH BACK ON IT

There's limits

[crisp oak]

Ork believes two grenades co.e out of one grenade

[paper trellis]

Yeah I got the convo about trading tech with xenos yesterday, was with a psyker, I think m savant

[swift river]

That's just Twinned Blast

[terse idol]

I'm very picky about 40k lore and misconceptions now

You would need ALOT of orks

[vernal spoke]

The Emperor is only alive on the golden throne because the orks still think the Emperor lives

[terse idol]

To believe that can of beans is explosive enough

[swift river]

I know I know, group mentality. Still funny

[terse idol]

Enough so that a mek boy might get his hands on it, and tinker with it AND make it a grenade

Yeah it is

[tawny timber]

I have a lot, where do I get orks?

[terse idol]

They're there

They're just all commandos

[paper trellis]

Tell them it gives you explosive gas. Weaponize all beans

[swift river]

"You no see Grog"

[terse idol]

This is reminding me of the orkz that assaulted the guardmens base

[paper trellis]

The one where they ran out of ammo?

[faint beacon]

You ever see a purple ork

Yeah exactly

[terse idol]

https://youtu.be/DJLaZrQTDzo?si=zjXEbNnBK2vZe3SQ

Yeah

Or well they gotta move the ammo off

[crisp oak]

Hallowette has been stated to be trading with xenos

[terse idol]

But also leave the citizens behind without ammo

[crisp oak]

One day I wish to see triple proc of twinned blast on a boss

[paper trellis]

Commisars are so much more interesting when they aren't psychopaths with a chip on their shoulder

[sleek garden]

Belongs to the elf guys I think

Whatever their names are

Eldar

[paper trellis]

The shuriken thing?

[sleek garden]

aeldaeri

I thought that's who the professional mentioned

[terse idol]

Yesssss

[paper trellis]

Maybe. I don't remember the name of the rifle, just that it was a rifle

[terse idol]

Finally the 1d4chan memes are dissipating

[sleek garden]

Don't know what that is

[paper trellis]

Commisars being effective battlefield tactitians or heroic figures that lead from the front and does what they can to keep those under their command alive just makes for better fiction

And establishes a precedent of commisars gaining their role through competence rather than nepotism

[oak goblet]

does confirmed kill have max stacks

[paper trellis]

I don't think so, but I haven't really checked

[oak goblet]

It feels like it might, but dunno.

definitely used to didn't

[swift river]

You know I'm curious if we'll ever get Powerswords like that

[vale wraith]

Anyone know the dump stat for shock maul?

[tall torrent]

No

[tall torrent]

Mobility

[vale wraith]

Really? Damn okay

Thought it would be CC or damage

[swift river]

It’s almost always going to be mobility

And I wouldn’t sacrifice damage

[vale wraith]

What blessings are good for it then
?

I’m really unfamiliar with this weapon

[paper trellis]

Cc is super useful tho

[vale wraith]

I just never use weapons with a CC stat so I don’t know much about that stat

[paper trellis]

Skullcrusher and high voltage

[vale wraith]

Ayt cheers man

[tall torrent]

Falter/hammerblow + skullcrusher

[vale wraith]

And holy shit this weapon does way more carapace damage than I expected

[tall torrent]

High voltage is not as good as skullcrusher and the weapon itself doesn’t do enough stagger

[swift river]

I’m still married to Knoife

[vale wraith]

Are the perks unyielding+carapace or carapace+flak ?

[tall torrent]

Carapace + maniac

[vale wraith]

Does flak go over any break points or is not enough to bother with

[tall torrent]

Not worth much

[vale wraith]

Was hoping it would one shot scab gunners but oh well

[tall torrent]

No because the weapon is entirely dependent on skullcrusher to deal damage

[vale wraith]

Ayt, gotcha

[terse idol]

Hmm

Truthfully vet pswords are probably like those

But they're just nerfed for the game

Zealot relic sword plays closer to that imo

[swift river]

I meant more the style, with the hand guard

[paper trellis]

Pretty sure the weapon customization mod allows for that

I prefer a crossguard on mine rather than a knuckleguard admittedly

[queen fox]

in-lore, any weapon with a blade can be a power weapon

[swift river]

Well all the power swords I see on Guardsman models look more like Darktides Heavy Swords

[queen fox]

no limits on size or shape afaik

there are power knives and power glaives and power scythes

everything

[paper trellis]

Power knoife

[swift river]

https://tenor.com/view/phoenix-wright-miles-edge-worth-gif-26085915

[queen fox]

im waiting for the power rapier tbh

give me a power ds

:^)

[paper trellis]

I imagine it would play like ds yeah

[swift river]

There’s really only two things I want added

Long-Las

[queen fox]

i want a power axe

[swift river]

And Plasma Pistols

[queen fox]

i want a power axe

all the other funny power weapons are meme-tier

power axe is required tho

any fenrisian commisar cosplay will be incomplete without it

[paper trellis]

I’d rather have it be a poleaxe. Chain axe is just too big to be one handed

It looks goofy

[tiny haven]

It’ll happen one day templars dw

[radiant chasm]

And heavy, it had some of the worst dodges while being onehanded

[tiny haven]

Just believe in the god emperor that he gives you all a new weapon shipment

[paper trellis]

Honestly I just want a melee weapon on par with the relic sword for vet

[queen fox]

powersword is ebtter than relic sword tho

like, way better

way better

relic sword isn't even mid, psword is just that good

[crisp oak]

[paper trellis]

I mean when dealing with carapace yeah, and ok it fits better with vets playstyle, but relic sword is so fun and has a great moveset

[queen fox]

mk6 psword has the single target dmg of ds4 while having the 2nd best hordeclear in the game, 2nd only to mk3 psword

[tiny haven]

The veterans yearn for two handed weapons

[paper trellis]

Ideally I would want both current power sword and a melee weapon with the heat gauge

[paper trellis]

This, so much this

[queen fox]

2 handed shovel when

[crisp oak]

Ngl I dont like the power sword

[crisp oak]

When the techpriest class comes out

[paper trellis]

Ogryn out here with em

[swift river]

We ain’t ever gonna get more classes, man

[queen fox]

techpriest class better come out with a power axe and a cog mechanicus skin for the poweraxe

[tiny haven]

Don’t tell the kriegs they’d overpopulate atoma

[queen fox]

it'll be dlc

if it does

[paper trellis]

What 2 handed weapon would fit vet

[queen fox]

didn't they do that for vermintide 2?

[paper trellis]

I could see them rocking the evicerator

[queen fox]

tbh bayonets

bayonet is a 2h weapon

give lucius a block attack

somehow

[paper trellis]

I mean we already have helbore, and yeah it’s a great melee weapon

How does weapon specialist work with helbore anyway

[queen fox]

not well i think

very slow draw

so slow i've never tried them together

plus charge time

[paper trellis]

Ik the one perk for melee and gun damage can alternate without switching weapons, but it’s an uncomfortable playstyle

[queen fox]

fuck it make lucius take up melee and ranged slots

remove swap speed

let me properly melee with a bayonet

[crisp oak]

It doesnt anymore

[tiny haven]

Power fist(singular)

[paper trellis]

Unfortunate

I really do want to like helbore

[crisp oak]

The bayonet used to be unironically good (got melee weapon and ranged weapon blessings)

[paper trellis]

I mean it still is since the stagger and damage are so high

[crisp oak]

But tbh its main purpose now is to kill dogs, and duel 4 ragers

[paper trellis]

And with melee nodes it crits out the ass

[crisp oak]

It does surprisingly well against ragers

Mainly because it staggers out of combo and 3 shots

Like if Im running my hellbore build, I prefer having my gun in my hand to fight ragers over the shovel

Cuz of safety against them

[paper trellis]

What does your helbore build look like?

https://youtu.be/PREWXzUZC_c?si=fkR0VnVj_YzgQ4t-
holy hell her voice is so good

[jaunty kestrel]

what is dump stat for shovel

[crisp oak]

Mobility or defence

Most of the time its defence

[crisp oak]

Hol up gotta remake it from memory real quick

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9dbdcc6a-0d73-4f15-82ab-e4573dff0d91

This is what I run pretty much

Serrated blade might have a use if they didnt patch it

The focus target and shovel lets you oneshot crushers with a charged thrust without uncanny strikes

[wanton dawn]

Man gloriana is hard on havoc

[paper trellis]

Serrated blade doesn’t work on the bayonet?

That’s odd because desperado does

[wanton dawn]

Bayonet never recovered from BM not applying to it

anyway, it is inconsistent in term of what applies and what doesnt

[paper trellis]

That’s unfortunate

I did notice that the attack speed buff further down doesn’t work on it

[wanton dawn]

BM+limbsplitter was something to behold

Best melee weapon in the game

[paper trellis]

Hmm maybe I could get more work out of helbore if I stop insisting on investing in melee perks every time I have a build with it

[wanton dawn]

Well, the bayonet is the only reason I ever played hb

[crisp oak]

Thats why I said might

I also forgot the infinite ammo talent

Which is what I dropped demo team for

[terse idol]

Imo, I've been using it

And uh

i think it's still pretty good that or I'm so DS pilled I think it's good

[paper trellis]

You think it’s worth it on helbore? I’ve never run out of ammo for it

[terse idol]

Like, it's one of the las rifles that can do damage to crushers (like the recon) so it has a weird place

[terse idol]

shocktrooper is just very efficient since you also just have your surgical blessing

[paper trellis]

Honestly if it’s base damage was tweaked up by like 15% on the charge shots I’d like it

[crisp oak]

If your running mk1 you should be oneshotting almost everything with weakspot crits

[paper trellis]

The reliance on crits is what throws it off for me

[crisp oak]

Surgical stacks almost 100% with a fully charged mk3a shot

Like a second after full charge you are at 100%

[paper trellis]

I get that, but then have the issue of charge time. Always feel like something is being traded off for it to do its job

[crisp oak]

Pretty much yeaj

[paper trellis]

As opposed to ilas which can get most of the same breakpoints on a semi auto

[terse idol]

Weight of fire 😌
The tradeoff is you do get the ability to play a semi-auto las gun and be able to hit crushers

[bitter turtle]

most fun map on havoc

i join every gloriana room i see

lol

[paper trellis]

Need to fiddle with vigilant rifle before making an assessment

Is the two shot burst worth it with a surgical setup? Or better to go with one shot?

[bitter turtle]

use the 1 shot one or 3 shot one

as for which one to use, it depends on what you want from it

1`shot one is good for 1tapping light elites and specialists

3 shot one is like a more accurate IAG with poor maniac values

both of them can also shoot crushers semi-decently in apinch

especially with weapon specialist build for v3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQkZWxDGQ4

[hollow ibex]

Nah 2 shot is the best

[hasty grove]

Hello

[paper trellis]

That is surprisingly hefty

Does vigilant have the same inverse range falloff ilas does?

[hasty grove]

I’ve been making a great effort to improve my melee after realizing I’ve been neglecting it, would any players more experienced than myself be able to tell me how I’m doing?

[bitter turtle]

No i don't think so

[paper trellis]

You know that sound that pops every once in a while, almost swoosh? You want to dodge, because that’s a melee hit being aimed at you from offscreen

I strongly recommend putting time in as a zealot to learn melee, it makes a huge difference

[hollow ibex]

Melee vet is very strong too

Good to learn with

[hasty grove]

Never knew that’s what that meant, ty!

[bitter turtle]

Don't rev trash mobs

[hasty grove]

But it’s cool 😞

[bitter turtle]

You wanted advice

[paper trellis]

True, but the melee vet rewards mastery while giving little while you learn

[paper trellis]

It’s mostly because rev attacks leave you standing still, and on higher difficulties that will get you downed

Honestly I enjoy melee vet a little more since it incentivizes using both your gun and melee, but zealot really teaches you to use your dodges well, and to learn your combos

But stealth melee vet just makes me feel like a missile heading for whatever needs to die lmao

[hollow ibex]

I don’t think that’s true. If anything you need to learn how to play more skillfully because you don’t have shit like FOTF and TWBS

You’ll have to just defend and position deliberately

Not that it’s hard

[paper trellis]

Well yeah, those buffers give you leeway while you learn. Thats why I’m saying melee vet requires more mastery

[hollow ibex]

But it’s better as a starting point for learning

[paper trellis]

That and it’s easy on vet to default to shooting if you aren’t comfortable with melee yet, need to be willing to throw down the gun and throw hands

Tho admittedly overreliance on a charge zealot while learning could lead to bad habits

[hasty grove]

I tend to avoid reving trash mobs when it leaves me in danger, but if I can do it without being harmed I’ll do it for the “style points”

[queen fox]

every game should have a dmc style meter

[hasty grove]

How can I make a heavy laspistol work?

[paper trellis]

Treat it like an infantry lasgun with better fire rate and crit chance

[hasty grove]

So just aim for more headshots?

[stable shoal]

Aim for heads and use combat axe. VoC with weapon specialist and a few other perks I can’t remember off the top of my head and you will melt everything

I use 25% flak, and 4% ranged crit chance

With infernous and dum dum I think it’s called

[terse idol]

why are ya using crit chance?

[oblique totem]

Always.

[hollow ibex]

I don’t think infernus is very worthwhile on laspistol tbh

[hearty panther]

in havoc with pus mod its not really debatable

[terse idol]

neeed ghost

[hearty panther]

unless your pistol is just to ghost with, yeah

most builds on any class should be proccing a crit with the laspee at least every third shot, quite easily you can build for every second shot

[somber axle]

I think someone here a while ago was saying they run Laspistol Mk X Ghost/Infernus with Deadshot for Havoc and that sounds wild for the potential crit chance. Idk their full build but 25% Deadshot, 25% Reciprocity max stacks, 5% Vet base crit, 15% Laspistol crit and you're already at 70% crit chance on every shot

[hollow ibex]

Yea though unless it’s clear someone is playing havoc by default I assume it’s not havoc

Havoc is weird

[hearty panther]

ye

and they arent always pussed up

sorry for writing that word

[queen fox]

Wait does infernus remove pus or smth

[hearty panther]

no but dots arent ranged damage so they dont get dinged by the damage reduction

which at H40 is 50% ranged DR and that really sucks

on Psyker i just put six round bursts into each visible gunner and cycle between targets

keeps my EE procced and lets the dot burn

with the recon, i should say

[frank ether]

I'm sort of against that modifier applying to ranged mobs but thats just me I guess

to my view I'd always like to have ranged weapons be used primarily against ranged enemies as it makes sense

[stable shoal]

I just really like the high crit chance, you definitely can feel it when burning through hordes and specialist

Basically have unlimited ammo

With the base 600+ shots I’ve never ran out of ammo on auric damnation

[tiny junco]

MORE Dodging, more pushing and parrying, and a lot more heavy mixes. If you need, I can hop on and coach you a bit. I run mostly melee and have done shit tons of AurM's with only melee.

And, as always.. If you're new to melee, use the crusher. It's batshit with how easy it is.

[hasty grove]

I use whatever I think is cool tbh

[umbral scaffold]

Do i simply need to grind out 50 Havocs to get the Moebian set outside of the pants?

I reached clerance 25. Now i just join others?

[hasty grove]

It feels like if I do more dodging and shoving I’m hardly gonna have time to swing the weapon around lol

[tiny junco]

Theres a lot of cool stuff you can do especially with mods. If you'd like, i'm free right now and able to teach you everything I know.

[hasty grove]

I’m busy with housework atm, sorry :((

[pseudo fiber]

yeah of any difficulty

[umbral scaffold]

So i need to grind out 50 Havocs

F me

Time to get to work then

[tiny junco]

Oh, all good. When will you be free? I can send you a couple things to help you.

[hasty grove]

Should be free tmrw afternoon!

[tiny junco]

Alright, in the meantime i'll send you some things I can record.

[umbral scaffold]

What blessings and refinements or whatever you call do you use on the boltgun?

[somber axle]

Surgical + Pinning Fire/Puncture if you want to use it as a DMR
Cavalcade + Pinning Fire/Puncture if you want to get the most out of full auto magdumping
Shattering Impact helps with one less shot on Crushers iirc in case you wanted to swap out one of the prior blessings for better times blasting apart Crusher squads

[stable shoal]

What’s the best bolt pistol blessings ? Currently using Puncture and Run n Gun

[terse idol]

lethal prox

DA

puncture

[somber axle]

Lethal Proximity is the most popular and most impactful. The effect buffs shredder frag grenades. Even if you have your melee out it still makes your grenades stronger

Puncture helps with some breakpoints (idk which off the top of my head tbh so poke Guide Cat if you want)

Run n Gun makes hip firing more accurate than aiming down sights

Oh also Deadly Accurate can be funny for a few breakpoints but it's very RNG unless you're running it with Surgical + Deadshot and/or Reciprocity

[terse idol]

yeah

surgical DA goes pretty good

[stable shoal]

Is lethal prox and R n’ G good ? Together

[somber axle]

Yeah they're a strong combo

[terse idol]

I diiid it

[hollow ibex]

Works but breakpoints are going to be annoying

[terse idol]

But like

Imo

[stable shoal]

Ight I’ve been sleeping on this

[terse idol]

Puncture gives you BP's that Run and gun give you

Because when you run RnG

You just Tap sprint

For 30%

[hollow ibex]

I don’t think bistol needs run and gun

[somber axle]

Puncture's bleed helps push the last bit of damage you need for breakpoints though

[terse idol]

Puncture gives you BP's for...

Dredge gunners

IIRC

Because 1 headshot on a dredge gunner leaves them with a tiny sliver that puncture will finish them off

RnG is okay if you want to learn to tap sprint to fish for 30% on crushers and bosses

But it's awkward

[tropic notch]

Surgical and puncture

[terse idol]

LP and Puncture imo the best

Surgical DA the other

with puncture

You have to get used to shooting a dredge gunner once in the head and letting him bleed

Because they don't die instantly it takes 0.5 seconds

[somber axle]

Surgical/DA is funny if you lean more into using it to hunt elites/specials. You can reach an easy 2 shot on Crushers and with a funny set up you can even do a 1 shot on Crushers which the Boltgun can't do

[bitter turtle]

very good in auric

not so much in havoc

#veteran-class message

run n gun bestest

[terse idol]

okay come oonn

Gotta advocate for normal gameplay

🥹

[unreal nova]

Even better on Zealot. Will agree. The only time you don't care is deadshot build lul.

[bitter turtle]

you still have to reload on zealot

the fun part on vet is never reload and infinite stamina

thanks to weapon spec

[slow flint]

Plus with the crit hits not draining your ammo you can just aim for the head and not lose anything.

[unreal nova]

Yes, but who always just sprints in to stab? I now get to blam a few things before poke poke poke poke poke.

[unreal nova]

Err, isn't that las only? Unless you mean Survivalist returning enough ammo?

[slow flint]

yeah thats las only unfortunately

[unreal nova]

Ah, was thinking in boltpistol, thus confused.

[tawny timber]

nothing i love more than random vox from rannick telling me i need to lock in

[tall torrent]

best is lethal prox + puncture

[paper trellis]

anyone got a good infiltrate build they are willing to share, looking to tinker with mine

[austere mica]

What weapons does it use

Just infil is like, half my builds

[paper trellis]

willing to use most anything, mostly just want to see what I can get going with infiltrate

and build off of it from there

[austere mica]

Want my personal favorite?

[paper trellis]

sure

[austere mica]

Neuron activator

Kill three (3) things with the high damage single target weapon and then get a 20 kill scatter with the shotgun

Rinse repeat

[paper trellis]

sounds like a lot of fun, thank you

[austere mica]

You can drop field improv for serrated for a MK knife, or drop flechette for scattershot for firing twice or with a single stack of weapon spec

You can also drop the entire part above VoC and grab demo team to get 2 extra points

[paper trellis]

true, but i'm quite fond of field improv

[austere mica]

Yeah it nice

I just say this because you have options

[unreal nova]

The only time Impov is bad when you get into a 4 vet game, cos there's a chance there might be 2 improv, lul.

[austere mica]

Or if you don't find/use anything affected by it

[unreal nova]

Or more, I know there's 3 if we just do vet stack for weeklies.

True.

It's just really something nice if someone has it, but if not, eh.

[paper trellis]

i don't think i've ever had a match where nobody found a crate

[scarlet thistle]

Mfw i'm watching the Ogryn grabbing the ammo crate each time they clear through one magazine despite having 3+ reloads left

Mfw I don't get to grab from the ammo crate once

[paper trellis]

never been angry at an ogryn before. Surprising feeling

[scarlet thistle]

It's really bad, usually Ogryns with heavy bolters

They fire two shots then take something from the ammo crate.

[unreal nova]

This is why I sometime rather play my psyker or zealot.

[scarlet thistle]

No ammo worries just let stuff fly.

[paper trellis]

is stripped down passive as in able to be used with melee?

[austere mica]

Don't think so

[faint beacon]

Beat them over the head for double dipping

[scarlet thistle]

I'm incredibly greedy with ammo crates, because if I put one down and I'm not down to my last magazine i'm not getting anything from that crate.

Straight up every single time I put an ammo crate down when I don't need it I never get anything out of one.

[faint beacon]

Yeah I mean I can relate with there seeing I tend to main guns with already high ammo economy

[scarlet thistle]

Without fail, every single time.

[faint beacon]

so I literally never

need to throw them

[dark shadow]

I don’t have a problem with finding players who share. I have a problem with finding players who don’t immediately run half way across the map, the moment I blink

[scarlet thistle]

Yeah I use the lasgun, I just don't need to worry about ammo most of a game.

[faint beacon]

Agri 9 Vigilant Auto

[scarlet thistle]

But when I need ammo.

There's never any ammo.

[faint beacon]

that or literally any laser weapon

[scarlet thistle]

Isn't Vermintide kind of based on like a counter system?

Instead of a "here's 4 grabs, each use fills you to the brim."

[dark shadow]

Anyone else feel like aiming is really jank on console?

[scarlet thistle]

Like darktide does.

I don't use console.

I do not understand grabbing out of the ammo crate when you're not even in the yellow.

My dude, you had 500 more bullets.

[faint beacon]

The only time this changes is when you play havoc

[scarlet thistle]

Why did you touch the ammo crate

[faint beacon]

Veteran and Zealot take Top Priority with ammo crate grabs seeing

a wacky little thing on 35+ called

-75% Ammo pickups

is in play

[scarlet thistle]

Why Zealot? Most of the ones I see just go ham with a thunder hammer or one of the chainswords.

Or the power sword now, I notice.

[faint beacon]

Usually cause they run Tknives and Flamer in Havoc

insane CC is needed

[scarlet thistle]

Actually on that front

[dark shadow]

Zealot often uses autogun or flamer

[faint beacon]

they run Chorus as well so they're actively gimping their damage

recall

Hitmass gets MASSIVELY buffed to trash on 35+

[scarlet thistle]

The shock mace is pretty good on controlling anything short of a monstrosity or mutant.

That brawler is winding up a giant blow? Not anymore.

[faint beacon]

Shock Maul is just shy the Crusher

but I've yet to see any feedback on a true CC focused Crusher on Havoc 35+

[scarlet thistle]

Crusher* not brawler.

Got things mixed up.

[faint beacon]

I'd say the 4 things

you as a Veteran use as a melee

is

Power Sword, Combat Axe with BM + HT, Dueling Sword or Knife

cause everything else falls flat on High Havoc

[scarlet thistle]

I'm going to tell you right now

I suck with acronyms really bad.

[faint beacon]

Brutal Momentum + Headtaker

[scarlet thistle]

I am very dumb.

[faint beacon]

I have a small feeling Tactical Axe might be really fucking funny in High Havoc but I dont know if this is true or not

Actively throw a havoc or see if its kinda decent

[unreal nova]

Left trigger can spin you around if a Mauler or anything is hugging your butt btw.

[austere mica]

Ask cole, they tried

[scarlet thistle]

I did run my first havoc and the shock mace came in handy with a mauler that was about to send the psyker to the warp.

[bitter turtle]

Most popular melee in havoc are all basically anti elite

[austere mica]

Sadly smaul falls off so hard

Relying on skullcrusher for damage doesn't work

[faint beacon]

I'd say everything is good Sub >25 on Havoc

cause thats when it actually starts ramping into the more serious parts of Havoc

[unreal nova]

It's just funny to use the special and anything gets zapped.

Tazer stick after all.

[scarlet thistle]

it stuns almost everything.

[austere mica]

One at a time

Thats the problem

[scarlet thistle]

Except mutants and monstrosities, and bosses.

[unreal nova]

But that's expected.

[scarlet thistle]

Well if you're a vet?

[unreal nova]

Well, I thought if you got hammerblow or something, it makes it so you can lock down a rager pack?

[austere mica]

Not in havoc

[faint beacon]

Hitmass is increased

aka they will give you that fluoride stare

and just ignore it

[unreal nova]

Oh.

[austere mica]

Smaul has no power and no cleave

[bitter turtle]

Lightning reflexes is your best bet

Doubt it's worthwhile though

Vs ragers i mean

[austere mica]

And was a mid weapon to begin with (I am a smaul appreciator I can say this)

[faint beacon]

Agile is admittedly a crutch blessing cause it encourages bad habits

but in havoc it will allow you to get distance with dodging

hence why im thinking it could be possible to use Tac Axe?...

But I mean like DS has it so like lol

lmao

[unreal nova]

I know. Inf dodge on Zealot with DS4 ruins me hard when playing anything else.

[bitter turtle]

Ds4 can run it because uncanny alone already 2 shots crushers lol

[austere mica]

Then take it off, and go play PGS

Actual advice

PGS made me better at dodging

[bitter turtle]

Tacaxe needs both blessings for dmg

[scarlet thistle]

Oh yeah while i'm here

Enforcer shields.

[unreal nova]

I don't really have a good feel for the patterns though. I know is better than evis, but the hit pattern.

[scarlet thistle]

Suppression shields.

[unreal nova]

The XV mark spoils me with light AoE and funni hed bonk on heavy.

[faint beacon]

I doubt vet would ever get them sadly

We have better luck getting a Longlas or the stubbers/helguns the gunners use

[scarlet thistle]

See people want a longlas but...

Why?

[unreal nova]

Mostly cos I can turn off brain and spam lights and not have to block every 2 lights.

[scarlet thistle]

We're not making shots we can't already make with a lasgun.

[unreal nova]

Ppl just want snipers.

And they want it like the hunting rifle.

[paper trellis]

MOAR DAMAGE

[unreal nova]

Or scout that's not L4D.

[scarlet thistle]

Sure there's novelty but..

Just use a lasgun, you can make the same shots and clear chafe.

[paper trellis]

you misunderstand friend. It's not a rational request, its that people see that particular guy over there and don't want to anymore

[unreal nova]

Revolver.

[scarlet thistle]

But I can do the same thing with a lasgun.

[unreal nova]

What crusher?

[scarlet thistle]

[faint beacon]

I think its mainly cause they want something that can drop somethings like

insanely quick

thats a laser

obviously at the cost of ammo

etc

[unreal nova]

Also, I heard I can do stupid big boom things by doing relic blade psyker boom stuff. Does it selfharms?

[scarlet thistle]

Most of the stuff that doesn't die quick to the lasgun is either in carapace or has a massive healthpool.

[unreal nova]

Or just switches off?

[tall torrent]

Hotshot penetrates armour and can deal significant damage to even space marines, also fired from a highly accurate weapon with optics

Plus it’s just cool

[scarlet thistle]

Hotshot is another thing entirely.

[tall torrent]

Longlas fires hotshot

[unreal nova]

Honestly, just put a scope on plasma.

[austere mica]

It would break in 5 minutes

Optics would warp so fast

[dark shadow]

I wish the lasgun had just a little more zoom. Never feels like I’m close enough